When Should Christian Parents DISINHERIT a Child?! | Live Free with Josh Howerton

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1:01All right, welcome to a bonus episode of live free. Let me shoot you straight. We are always trying to figure out, these are a lot of extra work. Always trying to figure out if the juice is worth to squeeze on these things. So if these are helpful to you and you would like us to keep doing them, if you could like, comment, share, especially on Facebook. That lets us know that they're actually helpful to you that you want us to keep doing them and that the juice actually is worth the squeeze, which incentivizes us to want to do more. And we will be talking a lot about incentives today. It's going to be a lot of fun. Now, let me set this up real quick because this is a really emotionally thick. It's a little thorny and and what you're getting ready to see, the reason I want to do this is this is becoming a question that families all over America, Christian families, all over America are having to answer. So let me tell you what you're getting ready to see. This is a Christian boomer mom. This thing went stupid viral and with a lot of rage attached to it.

2:03It's a Christian boomer mom and I'm pointing out boomer for a reason. I'm going to talk about that you're in a second. Calling in to Dave Ramsey and asking the question, if her two children that have become socialists, this is her language. If she as a Christian mom should consider removing them from her will. Now, I may take this episode in a direction that you do not expect. So just roll with me. But that's the context of this. So we're going to talk three things. We're going to talk about the concept of Christians and disinheriting children. Should that ever happen under what circumstances if so? What does the Bible say about it? We're going to talk about socialism a little bit because that is becoming one of the most, actually, I'll say, theologically pressing questions. This is like a massive question that's rising in our culture. What does Christianity say about that? And then we're also going to talk a little bit about school choices and things like that that a lot of times we're not thinking about. Maybe like we should. Okay. That said, let's react to Dave Ramsey reacting to a Christian boomer mom. Here we go.

3:10So I am looking for some guidance from Dave and Dr. Delaney about my will. I have two daughters, one of whom is doing very well, financially. She and her husband are in the 1%. And the other daughter earns about 50,000. And for several years, I felt uncomfortable about how do, like, divide up the assets. Okay. Let me stop here. And I'm going to go ahead and point something out. Now you can tell from the ages of her kids. And then if you can see it, we're going to edit it so you can see it. How this went viral is somebody saying, this is the most boomer phone call I've ever heard. So really quick, I just want to riff on this. If you're not aware in our culture, especially in like younger, like, kind of honestly, my generation down, there's this like, this mega rage viral undercurrent of resentment towards boomers. Like this is a big thing that basically the narrative becomes the boomers lived in utopia and had everything amazing. Kind of

4:14like the little meme you'll see is like a 1960s boomer dad. And it'll be like, this guy was a, you know, a gas station attendant and owned a, you know, a 2,000 square foot house and went on two vacations per year on his gas station attendant salary. So there's kind of like this boomer resentment. Now there's actually something theological that's underneath this. And let me just point something out. And first of all, if what I say in the next 30 seconds in Rage is you, I'm asking you to stick with me for the next two minutes and not to now in the next 30 seconds. So here's my, here's the thesis. Whenever somebody is doing, there's this, this emotional undercurrent like this. If poor living standards are the problem, then better living standards are the solution. But, but, but check this out. If envy is the problem, there is no solution. You cannot solve an envy problem with a money solution. Now somebody will be like, what, what are you talking about? Is envy the problem? I'm just, you're trying to quit me. So I just want

5:14to point something out. There is something that you may not be aware every generation since Adam has done this thing where they look at the previous generation. And there is a tendency towards envy. I'm going to read you the Bible verse. A lot of people have never seen this in the Bible. This is a Cleasy Astie 710. Say not. Why were the former days better than these? For it is not from wisdom that you ask of this. So here's what's happening. I just want to say this real quick and then get back to this. What a lot of times happens is people will look at their parents' generation and they compare their parents' end-of-life situation to their beginning-of-life situation. And guess what that causes? It causes envy. And what envy will cause you to do is exaggerate your parents' generations' advantages and forget all of their disadvantages. So let me just rip this real quick and then get back to this. Okay, so let's just acknowledge something. If I'm understanding correctly, Boomer-Gen, that's my parents' Gen, they had two legitimate advantages.

6:18Lifetime over the zoomed out, expanded their life, great stock market. Number two, later in their lives, so not always. Later in their lives, great housing market. But what everybody like in my generation and down is doing when it comes to the Boomer anger is they're doing the Ecclesiastes VII thing and they're exaggerating all the advantages and completely memory-holding all the disadvantages. Let me list for you some of the other things the Boomer generation had to go through. So the Boomers were raised by the greatest generation, that's the generation one World War II. But kind of be honest, it wasn't always that great for the Boomers to be raised by that generation. You had 50% of the men in that generation coming home from World War II. So that means a bunch of them A, actually didn't come home. You got rampant alcoholism and abuse. Let me just riff these. In 1950, American families had to spend 20% of their disposable income on groceries. It's 10% or less today. The Boomer generation experienced 20 years of combat in the Vietnam War, eight years

7:24of the military draft. One in 10 men in that generation were drafted in Vietnam. I want you to pause while I'm doing these and ask yourself the question how this generation would be responding if these things happened in our generation. Probably not awesome. You had 1968, you had the Martin Luther King Jr. and JFK were both killed. You had mass civil rights protests. Then you get second-wave feminism. You've got abortion, birth control, and no fault divorce all hits this generation for the first time. 1969, that was the Stonewall riots. So this is the rise of the radical LGBT ideology thing. All that happens during Boomer-Gen. You got 1973 oil crisis. People sitting in gas lines for hours, hoping they'll be able to fill up their gas tank. Unemployment rates in the 70s peaked around around 9%. It's 4% today. Inflation was 12%. It's 3.4% today. You got watergate scandal. You have mass heroin addiction. All the dudes coming home from Vietnam. Then you get the 60s and 70s, the hippie

8:29movement. All the sex drugs rock and roll. If you're on the line, there's this massive very online dude. So do this like, tread wife. That's what they're looking for. The Boomer-Gen ad is if you're like a based conservative guy trying to find a girl, you got the 60s and 70s hippie movement. It's like lots of sex and drugs. I'll just point this out anecdotally. My grandfather lived in somebody else's garage growing up for part of his childhood. I check when my parents. My parents first mortgage rate was 13.8%. I just want to gently like we need to pastor ourselves and go, hey man, we got Bobo versus this. It's a Clees Dasty 70. We need to be really careful when we're doing generational resentment. Say not why we're the former days better than these for it is not from wisdom that you always ask us. Now let's get going. I'm in every day a millionaire. But more recently, I've gotten to a point where I don't want to

9:32give either of them any money. Okay. Let me do something real quick. Before I say anything else, there's going to be some parents who you watch this and when you hear that phrase, I don't want to give many my money. There's like a wound that opens up in your heart because you're a Christian and you're looking at your adult children or your adolescent children and they're not becoming the children that you always dreamed and hoped and prayed. And I just want to let you off the mat for some of you. I just want to point this out in the parable of the prodigal son, what did the father do wrong? Nothing because the father represents God. And yet, the son still rebelled. So let me just say something. If you start to notice as a parent that there's a pattern in your children, man, of course, repent, receive grace, go get some wisdom, put some grace dirt on it, get back up and get in there with your whole heart and soul.

10:36But some of you need to hear this. It's not your fault. It's not your fault. If in the parable of the prodigal son, a perfect father can still have a son rebel, that's going to happen in a fallen world. And some of you also need to hear that the father specializes in bringing prodigal sons home. So much grace to this hurting mom here. I feel like I've worked so hard my whole life, I paid for college for them. I've paid over half a million dollars for college for this. Now what she's getting ready to do is she's explaining why she's really hesitant to give any of your children anything in her will. So pay close to what she says. And they've turned into socialist. But they have. And you're still in the wrong college. Okay, I want you to notice that phrase. You sent it to the wrong college. This is a big deal because sometimes,

11:38sometimes parents are accidentally making decisions that have very predictable outcomes. And then they're surprised when the very predictable outcomes happen. Notice what Dave says here. And we're going to ask a question about some things. Was Dave right? Notice what Dave says here. He says, you sent it to the wrong college. This is something that Christian parents need to think. Listen, listen, a lot more carefully about as we just stop our kids. So let me just look a little quick theology real quick. Okay, what the Bible says is Abraham is called Hyperion's fear sovereignty. We talk a lot about it on live free. The Bible says the God has established three institutions. And when those institutions are working in the right way in their lanes, they function together for the building of society and a God honoring way. And generally the discipleship of children and families. The three spheres. Check this out. You need to get this in your head. The three institutions that equal the three spheres are the family of the church and the state. Now what theologians, especially in the reformed tradition, have done is they've assigned a biblical icon to each of

12:38the each of the spheres. We're going to go a little deeper on this than we've probably had before. So what they do, what a lot of theologians do is they go, the families represent about the rod. Parents, it says, you know, spare not the rod. So discipline and instruction. The families represent about the rod. The church is represented by the keys and the state is represented by the sword. So for the church, Jesus gives the keys to Peter that that's the keys. What you bind and lose. That's what he's doing there. And then the state in Romans 13 says the God instituted the government to quote, bear the sword. And that's not for no reason. That's what Romans 13 says. So what the Bible says, all this is going to get down to. How should parents think about what schools they send their kids to and just track with me? You know, just if you're kind of certain acclents, just track with me. All this, we need a theology that helps us answer the question. How should we, how should Christian parents think about what schools they send their kids to? So the roles in general that are assigned to these three spheres, the family is given the role of discipleship, health, and education. The church is worried, sacrament, the functions of the church. And then the state is

13:41represented by the sword. That's Romans 13, the administration of justice. Now, let's go a layered deeper. Bad things happen when institutions get out of their biblically assigned lanes. This is going to, we're going to apply this both to school, school choices that parents, Christian parents make. And here in a second, we talk about socialism and is socialism compatible with Christianity, why, why not? All this gets down to what are the, a Biblically assigned roles of these institutions? Okay. So what, what some people do is they'll point at guys like me. I'm going to give an example here. They'll point at guys like me or podcasts like live free. And dude, it's the reason that I get this have been disavited from conferences is people say things like, Hey man, that pastor or that church is getting to political. And what I always, I always say the same thing. I always say, Hey man, the church is not getting more political politics or getting more spiritual. When the government stepped out of its lane of doing things like teaching math and building roads to doing things like redefining marriage, erasing gender, reframing infant murder

14:44as quote unquote reproductive rights and then using the government school system to indoctrinate everybody's kids into believing those things. Hey guys, church didn't move politics did. When the government got out of its Biblically assigned lane of, Hey, your only job is to administer justice, Romans 13 and got into the role of the church to start to start deciding what's right and what's wrong. How should we define marriage and not define it? Well, here's the deal. Whoever designed those things gets to define those things. And when you remove God, the government is the highest authority left in society. So when you remove God, the government sees a job opening and the government wants to put itself in the place of God and do those things. So then watch when that happens, it becomes the role of the church like be the little, you know, the little sedan on the highway that kind of like it dusts somebody's bumper and says, Hey man, get back in your lane. That's what's happening right now. Now let's start applying this to Dave. I'm just going to go

15:45and give away my cards. Dave and listen, I say this with with gravity because I know that parents are going to feel emotions around this. When Dave says you sent them to the wrong school, Dave's not wrong. Here's what I mean. In the Bible, the responsibility for the education of children belongs to families. Watch not governments. The primary responsibility, okay. You can do this all through the Deuteronomy talks about this, but I'll just go to New Testament Ephesians 6.4 says this, it says fathers do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord. In other words, God looks at the leader of the family, the dad, and goes, Hey, dad, is your responsibility to make sure that your children are raised in the discipline and instruction of Lord. Now here's what's happening to a lot of like boomergen parents, Christian parents is that when they went through schools and the collegiate system, those were one thing,

16:50and now they're not that thing anymore. So we don't have time to kind of do this whole deal, but especially in the 60s, kind of a special around the civil rights era movement era, that was kind of the era when Marxists committed to what they they call quote the long march through the institutions. In other words, this aside notes, not on my notes, but it is my heart. What you have happening right now, a little bit in American society is Marxists have a plan to make America a Marxist nation. Secular progressives have a plan to make America a secular progressive nation. Muslims very much have a plan to make America a Muslim nation, but Christians always seem to have a bunch of reasons why Christians should not seek more influence in the nation. Now we don't get political, or the only application of the gospel to society is the gospels neither right nor left, Jesus wasn't a Republican or a Democrat. And so what's happening is godless ideologies are discipling their adherence into governmental and social activity. And man, accidentally a lot of

17:53Christians and Christian leaders are discipling Christians into political either into inactivity. That has had very frankly very predictable results over the last few decades. So if you ask the question, now why did Marxists, we're getting back to this, why does Dave say you sent him to the wrong schools? Why did Marxists decide in the 60s, hey man, we need to commit to a quote long march through the institutions, which one of the primary aims of that long march was especially the American school systems. Okay, why? Well, in general, progressive people, this is like just data, this is not like emotional bias, this is just data. In general, progressives don't have kids, so their only goal or hope is to capture and reprogram yours. Okay. So what's happening to a lot of like boomers like this mom is, hey man, the school system was one thing when I was in it, but then it changed and I wasn't aware is generally, you know, a lot of times been captured by activists and

18:57then colleges change from teaching kids how to think to telling them what to think. So they move from just doing education watch, they move from just doing education to actually now what they're doing is reverse discipling your kids. You get if you're not very careful and very selective in who you entrust to give your children discipline and instruction. Okay. This a fun little history note and then I want to move on. So obviously for most of American history, there was not a centralized board of education in the federal government that decided what the children throughout the nation would be taught. So two guys, especially in the late 1800s and 1920s, when the US government started considering this at scale, there were two Christian pastors, a guy named J. Gresham Machen, old press, Syrian guy who was the head of Princeton Theological Seminary back when they like actually to other Bible. And then a guy named Aril Dabney in 1879. But J. Gresham Machen actually

20:01testified before the United States Congress in the 1920s, essentially warning them that, hey man, you guys might be good with the concept of like a federalized government school system now. But he warned them in the 1920s. Someday, you're going to be good with an Al because all the teachers are generally Christians. Because like someday, the government may be secular and the teachers may be secular. And then that government school system might end up being used to reverse disciple children into godlessness. Bro, Aril Dabney, I'm going to give you some quotes. Aril Dabney in 1879. These are his predictions in 1879 about what would happen if the government centralized and federalized control over the school system that educated the populace of American children. These are 1879 predictions. Okay. Quote. We have again and again warned the advocates of the Yankee

21:09State theory that's who is talking about like government less federalized and centralized government school systems. That the practical result will surely be to expel the Bible and Christianity from all the schools and to rear us so far as state schools go a generation of atheists. My brother was predicting this in 1879. I'm going to give you one more quote. Their complete secularization talking about the government school system is logically inevitable. Christians must prepare themselves then for the following results. Now what are the results he's going to predict back in 1879. Remember this is a nation that had like Protestant catechisms, the Isaac Watts hymnol and the Bible in the core aspects of American school curriculum for hundreds of years. What's he predicting is going to happen back in 1879.

22:10Prepare for the following results. All prayers, catechisms and Bibles will ultimately be driven out of the schools. My brother was predicting this in 1879. Why? Because when the three institutions that God has established get out of their lane and into another lane, the wrong person trying to do the right thing ends up with the wrong thing happening. Now quick caveat as anyone who knows me will know this is not me saying any public school is bad and you should not just veer into especially viewing school teachers as quote unquote the bad guys. You'd be crazy. My mom was a teacher of 40 years largely in the public school system. There are a stupid number of amazing Christians in education. We need more of that not less. And if you're one of them, we need we need you to be as overt as you can be about your faith in that in that setting.

23:15But I will just generally give a warning to Christian families. This is an old Vody Bacchum quote. If you send your kids to Caesar, don't be surprised when they come back as Romans. That's what happened in this month. Okay. Now let's give you on. So we should be very, very careful about what schools yes, even colleges. We send our kids to don't end up spending half a million dollars funding the deconstruction of your children's faith. Let's keep going. It's funny. I know. My favorite call maybe in two months. I know we're all laughing. No, we're with you. We're with you. I'm depressed. I'm very depressed about where I see my children heading. And I think I don't want my money to go to them. Okay. That's the question. That's a question. I want to ask this in a second. Because every parent

24:18is going to have to ask this question at some point. And every child should be asking this question as well. So let's keep going. You shouldn't. They're not entitled. They didn't hit the DNA lottery. They're not entitled. I'm going to come back to this. My children have been instructed since they were small that in order to get the opportunity to manage the money that God gave me to manage, meaning that I've hand off the responsibility to manage some of the rams you fortune to them. They will have to be people of character. Now I'm going to come back to that. Bookmark that in your head. What he says is as a dad who earned all that money in order for my children to have the right. That's not a privilege. That's a right. In order to have the privilege. Sorry. Not a right. To manage the money that I earned and that God entrusted to me to manage for his purposes. They have to be aligned to his purposes. Is that the right way to think? Or do parents have a de facto responsibility

25:24to inherit their kids? How should we think about that? Now watch what he says next. Socialists are not people of character. They're parasites. Now I want to stop and talk about this real quick. If if you're wondering why I'm talking about this. As a pastor, let me just give you a little history like pull back the curtain on what it's like to be a pastor. I started being a pastor in 2005 when I became a pastor for the first time. I'm just telling you what I watched in 2005 is that was really the steep curve of the rise of things like queer theory, aggressive LGBT ideology and especially like you can call it different things. Kind of the capital W. Woke kind of race movement. What I watched happen to a generation of pastors is generally around that time pastors were not prepared for I call it air war, the societal questions that Christians were going to be faced with. I know this is hard to imagine now. In 2005, I don't think I'd ever in my whole life heard a sermon

26:31about same-sex attraction, how to think about that, how to disciple people. Like I'd never heard that sermon before. And what happened is pastors might have been a little behind a curve. And so what you had was pastors, they were answering questions nobody was asking anymore and they weren't answering the questions that everybody was asking now. I'm going to warn you right now. This issue of how Christians should or should not think about socialism. I'm afraid if we're not careful, it's going to be like that for this generation of pastors. Let me show you this. Go and toss that graph up. This is CBS News. Here's why I say this. They wrote this insane. So CBS News, our CBS News poll out of this morning finds 58% of, there's one, particularly in one political party, have a positive view of socialism and just 32% have a positive view of capitalism. So right now, primarily in progressive circles, you have 58% of the rising generation is going a socialism good,

27:35capitalism bad. Okay. So what I'm saying is, Amen, you may not like having to answer this question. For me as a pastor, I do not have the privilege of not being able to answer this question anymore. This is going to be one of these societal questions the next few years. And oh, by the way, it has on the ground discipleship applications for people and families like this woman. So let me just briefly do a little thing about answer the question is socialism compatible with Christianity or what are the points of incompatibility? So zoom out and Christians have to learn to think air war. Okay. Here's what I mean. In general, what you're going to notice is that it works like this. More God requires less government and less God is always going to require more government. So among a populace when you got more God, you're going to need less government. And when you have more, when you have less God, you're going to need more government. Here's what I mean. When you have a nation of godly and honest people who are full of the Holy Spirit and internally

28:39motivated to obey the commands of the scriptures, do you know what you don't need a whole lot? A bunch of police. You don't need that. Do you know what you don't need when you have people who wake up and they have like historically it was called a Protestant work ethic. They embodied sort of the Thessalonians mentality that, hey man, if a person will not work, they shall not eat. Do you know what you don't need? When you just have a whole bunch of people who that that's their vibe, you don't need like billions or trillions of dollars of government welfare systems. So and you could do this ad nauseam. The point is notice this. More God, less government, less God, more government. That's why at the American founding, you had 98% of the American populace was Protestant Christian and you had virtually like a minuscule governance. That's why. Now there are three, I'm just going to tell you, there's three reasons in general, like Christian theologians, theologians have historically said that socialism is incompatible with Christianity and again, whether you like it or not, you're going to be able to, you're going to have to be able to answer this question. So number one, I'm going to do this rapid fire. Just because you call theft something

29:44else doesn't mean it stops being a sin. Okay. So just because you slap a different name on it, doesn't mean it stops being a sin. There's three ways to view a person's relationship with money. You can say what was mine is mine and that's called selfishness. You can say what's mine is gods and that's called stewardship or you can say what yours is mine and that's called stealing, except if the government does it and then historically we call socialism. But just because you give it a new name doesn't mean it stops being theft. Now if you're like, wait a second, are you saying that all taxation is theft? No, let me come back to that. But here's the question that like an astute Christian thinker has to ask at what point does a government confiscating the wealth that somebody earns become theft or does it ever? Now I'll just point this out as others have pointed out before me. The 10 commandments presuppose some things. For instance, the seventh commandment you should not

30:46commit adultery. It presupposes the institution of marriage. Okay. The commandment doesn't make sense without that presupposition. The eighth commandment you should not steal. It presupposes private ownership. Okay. Now classical socialism cuts against private ownership. But the 10 commandments are based upon the presupposition of private ownership. So here's the question some people have tried to ask and I don't have a specific answer. Honestly, it's more art than science, I think. Some people have tried to go, Hey man, when does government confiscation of wealth that someone else earns become stealing? Here's what some people have said. And I think there's a logic to this. It's going to blow your mind. What some theologians have said historically is anything over 10%. And the point they've made is that God is first. And what God does in particularly the old testament, but the principles pulled over into the new is that as God is first 10% of everything

31:51that we earn, we return to God and acknowledge that it's his. And what some people have done, if they go, Hey man, whenever a human entity or a government exceeds 10% with their de facto doing is implying a preeminence over God, I will just say this is interesting to me. You need to put on your theological thinking cap, pray open your Bible and figure out what you think. In first Samuel 8, the prophet Samuel warns the people of Israel, Hey, if you take a king like all the other nations, he's going to do this insane thing, this insane thing. He's going to take up to 10% of everything that you get. And he's going to keep it for himself as the leader of the government. This insane thing. Now that's interesting to me. So number one, socialism, at some point, governments can steal. And that's a sin. Okay. Number two, I'll just point this out. Historically zoomed out,

32:57and again, there's different definitions, but historically zoomed out, socialism creates poverty, it does not solve it. So here's a principle that Christians need to get get in their heads. With governments, you tend to get more of what you incentivize and less of what you penalize. I'm going to say it one more time. With governments, you tend to get more of what you incentivize and less of what you penalize. So socialism is like, Hey, man, everybody just it's it's mom Donnie's the warmth of collectivism. Let's just pull all of our resources collectively and give it to the government. And then the government will distribute it each according to his needs. That's the the phrase. Okay. Here's a problem. Big problem, Skippy is you're not asking the question, what human behaviors are we incentivizing and what human behaviors are we disincentivizing? That is the opposite of the spirit of Thessalonians when the Apostle Paul says, if a man will not or a key shawn, I'd eat, why does the Apostle Paul say that?

33:57Because God understands human nature is default mode sinful. And so we need real world incentive structures to incentivize fallen people towards righteous, fair behavior. Okay. So you got to ask this question. This is why, okay, let's go a little spicy. This right here with governments, you get more of what you incentivize and less of what you penalize. This is why states and cities that throw billions of dollars at homelessness tend to end up with more homelessness. They do not solve homelessness. Why? Because with human governments, you tend to get more of what you incentivize and less of what you penalize. When you tell people the government will provide for you, you're not solving poverty. You're incentivizing activity very frequently. Now, if you don't believe me, I'm going to show you two pictures. Okay. This right here, that that's Hiroshima after 80 years

35:00after an atomic bomb. That's Hiroshima, 80 years after an atomic bomb. Okay. Next picture. That's Cuba, 60 years after socialism. Okay. One city can survive an atomic bomb. The other society could not survive 60 years of socialism. So check this out. Christians have to learn to stop being children in our thinking like the Bible says. Listen, Christians do not measure policies by their intentions, but by their outcomes. It does not matter. If the intention of a policy is to quote, solve poverty and care for the poor, if its outcome is to create poverty and multiply the poor, it's evil. Okay. Now, last thing, and then let's get to this question that he's asking about disinheritance. How should a Christian parents think about this? He calls socialist parasites, and even though that's, I'll just say it, that's not their intention. He is not wrong frequently.

36:03He is not wrong. Okay. Here's why I say that. How does the Bible say giving should be done? It says willingly and not under compulsion. Actually, one point this out, what people who generally lean towards socialism say is they say that men, their motive is to be generous and to care for the poor. That's what they say. And honestly, for some of them, I believe them. I genuinely believe a lot of them have a genuinely altruistic spirit. Okay. But I do want to point this out. When you get to the actual data, in general, Christians and conservatives are three times more generous with their own time and money than progressives, three times. So like back in 2016, when Bernie Sanders had a little run for president and his income tax returns came out, the guy who was supposed to be the generosity candidate, the care for the poor candidate, his tax returns came out and he was giving around one percent of his income to charity. Same thing with Pete Buttigieg, a few years ago, one percent,

37:04Biden in 2008, less than $4,000 given a charity over an entire decade. Okay. So here's what I'm saying. Again, I'm trying to help you think as a Christian. What happens a lot of times is progressives and Christians are often using the same glossary, but using a different dictionary. So they're using the same words, but they have different definitions for those words. When Christians use the word generous, we mean generosity with our own money. When progressives use the word generosity, they tend to mean voting for the government to forcibly redistribute other people's money. Okay. So that's it. These are the reasons. Now, I just want to kind of lend the plane on this. What you're going to notice is it's kind of like progressive people who lean socialists, what they tend to do, they tend to be an inverse correlation between faith and socialism for a reason, more God less government, less God more government. And generally what they'll do is these people,

38:06the same people, they'll laugh at you as a Christian for believing in an all-powerful, all-good God. Those same people think if we just made the government all-powerful, it'll be all good. Good luck with that. Okay. Now, let's keep going. We're going to get to our land-to-plane with the question. And so if my children are going to be parasites, I'm not going to finance their lives so that they have a reality show. Is there a way to put money in, let's say, a trust where they couldn't get access to it too? They were, let's say, 70 years old. Well, I mean, then they just be a 70-year-old socialist, right? Watch what he says here. I'm hoping by then they will have kind of woken up. You can. Mine is, all of our estate is trust-based and our trust is, we've done it from a faith perspective, not an economic perspective. But if they're not walking with God, they don't get to manage God's money. There it is. Okay. Here's what he says. If

39:10they're not walking with God, they don't get to manage God's money. And he said it earlier, his children have been raised in an environment where they know, hey man, for you to receive the ability to manage the things that me and your mom earned, you've got to have generally the same values that me and your mom are living for. Now, here's the question. The question is, is it wrong for parents? How should parents think about this? Should Christian parents think about removing children from their wills who are living in rebellion against God? Okay. Now again, let's go back to the, let's see what the odds are really quick. We already mentioned in the Bible you've got three institutions, Family Church and State. What some theologians have historically done is that they've noticed that in the Bible, this is very interesting. There's an ultimate penalty in each of those fears for somebody who lives in high rebellion. So notice this. The ultimate penalty for the church is outlined in 1 Corinthians 5. And it's excommunication. If you are a member of a church that's living in open rebellion against God in unrepentance in, you know

40:14it, you don't care. Little 11, 11's the whole lump. The Bible commands the leaders of a church to remove that person from the church. That's 1 Corinthians 5. Now in 2026, that's going to go internet viral and all the things will happen, but pastors are still committed to do it. In the state, the ultimate penalty for rebellion is the death penalty. The death penalty is biblical, even in the New Covenant, Romans 13 talks about the government, quote, bearing the sword not in vain. Now let's get down to it. What is, here's what some theologians have done. What is the ultimate penalty for high rebellion and open unrepentance in the family? What some Christians, the theologians have done is they've gone man, it's disinheritance that this is a biblically permissible response from parents, tragic, very emotional to open rebellion against them and

41:18their Lord. A couple examples that a lot of people probably miss. In the Bible, Jacob disinherits his son Rubin. Remember Rubin slept with one of his dad's concubines, so honestly, dad should have, I don't a little bit on you there, dad shouldn't have had a concubine. Rubin sleeps with his dad's concubine and Jacob disinherits him from his birthright in a ghost of Joseph. The other thing something theologians have done is they've looked at all covenant, new covenant, new covenant, old covenant, new covenant, continuity. And they've pointed out that in Deuteronomy 21, the penalty, go read Deuteronomy 21, the penalty for a child living in open rebellion, open defiance against their parents after discipline and instruction and love and pleading and all these things in Deuteronomy 21 was the death penalty for an openly defiant rebellious child.

42:21God frequently talks, I'm reading Leviticus right now, my personal Bible reading, and he'll talk about them being cut off from among their people. So what some theologians have done is they've gone, hey man, obviously if you were to receive the death penalty, you do not receive your inheritance. Now, quick caveat. Obviously there's old covenant, new covenant, discontinuity in the civil penalties for these things. So Christian parents today are not advocating for death penalties for rebellious children under the new covenant. I just got to get that in there. But we're asking this question about disinheritance. Now, let me just get down to like brass tax and talk about how, what I think about this, what we should think about it, I'm just going to tell you how me and Janah have decided to think about it. There's a lot of things here that go into wisdom and stewardship questions. Number one, I have decided I am not going to fund rebellion against my Lord. That's

43:26a principle for me. Number two, what like if you watched this post like people just unloaded on day for this, I mean capital, you unloaded. And I'll be honest, some of it I watched and I was like, man, what an unfair entitled attitude towards your parents. What a lot of the reactions to this boil down to was kids saying, I'm furious. My parents aren't going to give me the money they earned to fund a lifestyle that tears down everything they believed in. I'm sorry, man, like there's a little bit of me this light. Who do you think you are? Now, we got some things to balance. Notice in the parable of the prodigal son in the New Testament, the son has a rebellious spirit towards the Father and the Father still chooses to give the son part of his inheritance. That's interesting.

44:27You might be seeing there kind of a shape of the gospel while we were yet sinners. Christ died for us. And the book of Romans says, it's God's kindness that leads us to repentance. Huh, how do I factor that in? I'll also point this out while we're talking about Deuteronomy 21. I'm giving you principles. And then I'm going to talk about how we might synthesize them. Okay. Deuteronomy 21, here's a warning. It gives a specific command against what I might call like revenge disinheritance. Like, I'm kind of ticked at one of my kids. I don't like one of my kids. And it's really just an emotional reaction rather than a godly principle that we instilled in the air that our family breathed from a young age. So what we are not allowed to do is sort of just revenge disinherit kids that are kind of ticking us off a little bit. Now, let me talk real quick about how Jan and I right now have decided to synthesize these principles as Christian parents.

45:28And I'm not saying you got to do these things. What I'm encouraging you to do is open your Bible, pray, ask the Holy Spirit for guidance, and do what he tells you to do. Okay. What me and Jan are doing, and some people probably unload on this, but I'm just telling you what we've decided to do. What we've decided to do is we've literally, God comes first. He is first. And we want to treat him first in our children and our children's children. And what we're praying is that like the Lord says, that we want to see people with the last name of Howard and throwing haymakers with a kingdom of God, quote, to the 10th generation. And so we want to model for our children what it looks like to put him first because he is first. So what we've decided to do is we wrote into our will to leave the first 10% of our inheritance to the kingdom of God. And we designated it that way. And then this may be wrong. And I may come back and change it. But essentially, we just have a little note in

46:29there that says, Hey, we already tithe down the inheritance. So you don't have to. That's why it's our money. And we tithe on it for you. So you don't got to. So that's what we did. We went, Hey, first 10% goes to him. That's what we did. Okay. Now what we want to do is if our children are generally walking with the Lord, we want to leave that to them so that they can grow up, raise Christian families. And we can keep passing the Howard and baton of faith to the children and their children to the 10th generation. Because as parents, we just have this deep thing inside of us that we believe that the most important thing we do with our lives is probably not something we accomplish. It's probably going to be somebody we raise. Okay. So what we've decided to do is general in our home is just already to start just generally talking about, Hey, kind of what Dave's doing here. It's the air that we're raising our family in is, Hey, everything that we have and everything we

47:30are, it belongs to the Lord. And so in order to have the right to manage God's things, you got to generally be walking with the Lord. Okay. Because our allegiance is to the Lord into his kingdom. Now as a parent and somebody may just tee off on me on this. But I just want to point this out. One thing that happens when you begin to do things like that is we want to create as many watch my language primary and secondary motivations for Jesus to win all the 50 50 balls in our kids lives at critical junctures in their life. So everybody's going to have moments when they're like right there on that spot and you're the sophomore in college and you're like, Hey man, am I going to go this way or am I going to go this way? Am I going to do that thing or am I going to do that? That thing. We want to create as many incentives as Christian parents so the in that moment in the back of our kids heads, even if the primary motivation that we want, which is just, I love Jesus and I can't believe he died for me. And because he gave me everything I want to, I want to give him everything with my life. That's the primary motivation we want.

48:37But we want some fail safes too. We want as many secondary motivations. So the in that moment when the primary motivation might fail, there's like that that Jesus wins a 50 50 ball. And I actually am totally okay with a little thing in the back of my kids minds where they start going man, there's some serious real world consequences for me taking off the team Jesus jersey and go on to team world or team satan jersey. I want that. Okay. Now let me go to a third thing. This for us, we're not looking for perfection. That's not what we're looking for. I'm just talking about children who have a general orientation toward the things of God. So you know, I'm not, hey, this is not a, hey Hudson, you got to be a fourth generation pastor. You got to, you got to, my exact theology, you know, that, that's, I'm just talking about, we want somebody who's generally moving in the direction of the Lord.

49:40And it's kingdom. I'll tell you another thing that we've decided and let me just give you, this is what we've decided that may give you a caution. What we didn't want to do is have that principle be something that we just sprung on our children at the end of our lives. Or that they find out for the first time in our will. We didn't want that. Why? Because then I feel like you do run the risk of it feeling capricious and vengeful rather than a principle rooted in team howerton is on team Jesus. And everything we have and everything we own belongs to him. So we want it to be the air they're raised in so that if they make that decision later in their lives. And by the way, we do not expect that. Like the word says, we walk in faith, we are sure of better things. Okay, we walk by that faith.

50:40But we didn't want it to, that to be something that might feel capricious. So that, that's how, how we've chosen to do it. And I will say I did some reading about this. What someone might somebody might just pray open their Bible, walk by the leadership of the spirit and make a completely different decision than me. What I would say is that's fine. Okay. But what someone might choose to do is if their children were in that situation, they might choose to like, hey, we want to out of love for our children. And generosity and grace at least take care of their needs and make sure their needs are met. Give them a leg up in the world as an expression of gospel grace and mercy. And then maybe not go above and just state it because we don't want to end up funding in the next generation. We don't want to fund someone living a life in open rebellion against everything that we believed and stood for.

51:42So that's what Jan and I have decided to do in our lives, what I would encourage you to do is open your Bible. Pray, ask the Holy Spirit for wisdom and do whatever he tells you to do on this episode over.