Where Have All the Primary Debates Gone? Plus, Vegas Avoids a TSA Nightmare and the Super Bowl Returns

While temperatures are finally cooling down, election season is heating up.

So today on CityCast, Las Vegas, we're talking politics and more with two journalists

from the Nevada Current, April Corbin Gurnes and Michael MJ Lyle, and we're getting into

a debate over no debates in the Democratic gubernatorial primary.

Why Harry Reid International has stayed relatively calm on the TSAKS nationwide and big sports

news for Nevada on two fronts, NBA, and NFL.

It's Friday, March 27th, I'm Sonya Choswansson, and here's what Las Vegas is talking about.

April MJ, welcome to the Friday News Roundup.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Two currents, my gosh.

Oh yeah, two currents.

We've never done this together, April.

This is so inaugural.

This is like the first time.

That's true.

It's true.

With your powers combined, today is going to be off the hook, maybe a little crazy.

Okay.

Let's set the bar a little alone.

Okay, okay.

It's just going to be just fine.

It's going to be just fine.

We're going to start up with our hot headline, which is we just kind of bring it a little

bit of the news in the week.

Prediction market company, Colchie, has been temporarily banned in Nevada.

So this broke on March 20th.

We heard from Wired, and a few minutes later, the Indy who broke the news, Prediction

market company, Colchie, was banned for 14 days in Nevada.

They got a restraining order from a Carson City judge.

And this is the latest and a long legal fight between state gaming regulators who say Colchie

is evading our 6.75% gaming tax and prediction markets, who argue that prediction markets

aren't gambling.

And I wish you could see my notes, April and MJ, because I wrote them in alternating

caps.

I wish there was a way to vocalize that.

But anyways, I think you did it lovely.

You can envision it, right?

Yes, I can.

Thank you.

All right.

So here's what's next.

A hearing on April 3rd, where a judge will decide whether or not to turn this restraining

order into a preliminary injunction, it's the start of a long battle, y'all, so buckle

up.

Okay.

Should we get into the news of the day?

Let's do it.

All right.

April, tell us what's going on with this gubernatorial primary.

Why are there debates about debates?

Well, so Washoe County Commissioner Alexis Hill is running for governor as a Democrat.

If you've not heard of her, it's because you've probably heard of the frontrunner,

Democratic Attorney General Aaron Ford, but Hill is publicly throwing a little bit of

shade at Ford for refusing to debate her.

According to Hill, numerous media outlets, not including the Nevada current have attempted

or are attempting to set up a debate or a forum for Ford and Hill so that voters can

get to know them and they can talk to each other.

But according to Hill, Ford's camp has declined all of those and is not interested in meeting

face to face with her.

So I asked Ford if this was true and if so, why?

And here's what he said and the direct quote, what I have learned is that talking directly

to voters is the best way to get the word out.

I'm going to continue to do that.

She can continue doing that as well and that's where we're going to leave it.

Okay.

That's a quote.

So not surprisingly, Hill is not impressed with that answer and when I told her that that

was what Ford had told me about the issue, she said, then she said, then, sorry, it's

still wasn't.

Go on.

So when I told her about that, she said, look, this is me paraphrasing, but she goes,

look, I talked to voters every day and you know, it's a really good way to talk to even

more voters, having a debate and having some kind of forum and meeting there.

So that's the tea.

Oh, interesting.

And by the way, shout out to your excellent article in the Nevada current on this very topic.

Yes.

MJ, what are we losing out on by not having these primary debates?

I mean, you don't get to see a difference of ideas right now, especially in this moment

across the country.

You're seeing a lot of the talking point to Alexis Hill or talking about a lot more

progressive ideas, surface and democratic debates, and we're not going to see that back and

forth.

We're missing out on the fact that we've done this before in the last democratic gubernatorial

debate in Nevada between Christy and Cicillac.

They had two of them as it will report it and we do not get that here.

And so we're definitely missing out on like a difference of ideas in the direction that

we want to take the state and seeing how the leaders that are arguing with their tops

for the top spot, for arguing for this position, arguing for voters to actually take a chance

of them to actually spar on different ideas and debate different ideas of our future.

And so yes, they'll get to take their message one one to the voters, but having that like

back and forth between the two front runners and not seeing how they play off each other

or how they like differ on ideas in the direction.

We're missing that back and forth.

But I think it's frustrating for a lot of people, specifically for people who are supporting

Hill, is that I think a lot of the assumption is that Ford doesn't need to debate Hill

because he's not worried about her as a candidate.

And why is he not worried about her as a candidate?

He's outfund raised her by leaps and bounds.

He has the backing of establishment Democrats, prominent Democrats, like all the way from

US Senate and below.

Hill has some supporters who have noteworthy names and she's raised some money, but it's

not nearly to the extent of her.

And that is what sort of makes this Democratic primary different than Christy and Cicilaxe,

where they were more competitive to one another on a fundraising level and on a scale level,

right?

They both sat on the same board, right?

Like they were bold.

They were, they were a little more seen in both names, yeah.

Where is Hill and Ford, aren't, but at the same point, why do we have a primary then

if there's just an anointed candidate who's decided and there's that?

And I think that's what's frustrating to people.

For my article, I spoke to a Cicilax professor, Sandra Cosgrove, really big into election reform

in the state and she said, look, the people who Hill or a candidate like Hill would speak

to more, the people who want change, they're probably going to participate in the general

election and not the primary.

And then that we need to move people towards participating more in our primaries, that primaries

have low turnout and having a debate would be a good way for that, you know, and I think

that's what people are sort of frustrated with on a more philosophical level is, why do

we have this if it doesn't matter if you can just be the candidate and that's it and

the other person has zero chance of getting the word out.

Yeah.

So like a debate is almost like this kind of great equalizer, right?

Where people kind of get equal time, equal exposure to the public, right to the voting

public without having to spend enormous amounts from their own coffers in order to be

up on that stage.

Yeah.

Exactly.

But here's my pushback, okay, because there is a political cost to being on stage for

the winner because no matter what, you are going to get attacked, right, from your opponent

on the stage and this is a primary.

So theoretically, the winner needs to come out and needs to show a unified front with

the entire party, whether that's Hill or Ford, you know, they need to sort of not

get attacked so much that they come out of that primary looking so bad to the general

public and not just their primary voters, right?

There's a cost to this, no?

Absolutely.

There is.

But I think that the 2018 Democratic gubernatorial primary sort of shows you that it's possible,

right?

Christy and Cicillac went back and forth.

They had a debate.

They were competitive, but they kept it classy, I think.

I don't remember that getting too mud slinging, I think.

And after Cicillac won justly in the primary, Christy backed him and Democrats backed him

and they brought him to the governor's office that year.

You know, so it is possible.

We see it all the time at the presidential level where they go back and forth.

And then once there's a winner, they sort of all fall in line and become like, hey,

we had that.

That's a good thing.

It's a good thing to see primary debates and candidates emerge.

I think the real political calculation on Ford's part is probably more that he doesn't

want to make a mistake that could be used against him later on.

There's no upside for him in his mind if he's front, if he's the front runner and he's

going to win, I think.

Yeah.

And that's why I really like the point that you made in the article by talking to Professor

Cosgrove about just the civic nature of like no annoyed at candidates.

Like we should be doing everyone should be going in equal ground like parties and political

king makers should not get to a point and kind of have this final say voter shed.

And the only ways voters can is if they are civically engaged in the full process.

So.

All right.

Let's just engage in some hypotheticals here.

Let's assume we're not getting a debate.

Where do you think Aaron Ford would shine and maybe falter?

And where do you think Alexis Hill would shine and maybe falter?

He's been in the political field for a while.

He was a state senator.

He's one twice on a statewide level.

So he has name recognition.

And so he has actually have a better, I think, understanding of the full state and a

lot of the things that are happening in the state.

So I think he would shine, be able to talk about like a little bit more comprehensively.

And I think Hill, I mean, she is a commissioner up in Washer County, even though she is coming

down here to hear the concerns of something about it.

I think he might have a fuller scope of kind of some of the issues that are happening

in the state.

So I think that might come through in the debate if there was a debate.

You know, Ford is a really good speaker.

I've seen him speak at different events.

And he's good at doing that sort of politician thing where he brings up stories from his

own life.

I mean, he grew up poor and was not supposed to be on the track to being attorney general.

You know what I mean?

It's a wonderful back life story that I think registers with a lot of people, a lot of

people find hopeful.

And he's really good at capitalizing on that in ways that feel, I think, pretty authentic.

I think Hill, we sort of know the general public knows a lot less, Las Vegas, especially

knows a lot less about who she is as a person.

I have spoken to her for this article and before for a few other things.

And she comes off his very genuine, like a very real person.

I think that that registers with a lot of people, particularly maybe in this political

climate in my register a lot with people.

Yeah.

So I think that could come through, but it's hard to tell what they would look like on

a debate next to each other.

I think I would like to see it.

I think it would be fun.

But, you know, say yes for it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Oh, where do you think Alexis Hill would poke for the most?

Like what's his greatest, you know, weak point that she would kind of get him for?

I think during this election cycle, she's been a lot more, well, I guess everything,

she has said like everything's kind of on the table when we talk about like generating

income for the state.

She's been open to a lot more ideas and I feel like Ford has been at so far in this campaign

way more cautious going into some of these ideas, even as they're more popular, ideas

around what we're going to do with high cost of energy, ideas of how we're going to afford

a lot of things in the state, a lot more cautious.

And so I think Hill would poke at him for that caution and kind of talk about some of these

ideas that are being heard on by a lot more on the state, especially on the left, especially

for more progressive people that want change and the atmosphere that changes, everyone's

beckoning for changes.

And so I think she definitely poke, poke them on that vice versa.

Where would, uh, where would Ford get, get a hill?

One of the biggest criticisms people have of Hill is that she is a Washington County Commissioner

and no offense to the great County of Washington, but you know, you're like the second largest

in a state where 74% of the state lives in one county or whatever, you know what I mean?

Like it is a big leap from running Washoe County to running the state of Nevada.

So I think that her weakness is experience while she does have experience managing local

issues and paying attention to things that are important across the state, the scale of

which Clark County operates, the scale of which then the state runs, it is a different

beast, I think.

I think that would be certainly a weakness that we could point out.

And I think Ford's strong point for a lot of Democrats, especially is that he is currently

the AG and he's suing for or he's suing Trump left and right, which is, it was a big deal

and something that really registers with people who think that's the biggest issue.

And so he's very strong on that front.

So he'll has less of that to sort of fall back on.

All right.

Well, we'll see, keep our eyes peeled and see if we actually get a debate in this primary

stage, but not putting any bets on it, not that we even could, because...

Pretty sure.

Yeah.

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On the topic number two, sounds like TSA is in chaos nationwide, but maybe not at our

airport?

Why not MJ?

So for those who don't know, we're in another partial government shutdown.

Not a full one like we saw last year, but partial and so parts of DHS, which includes

CSA, has not been funded.

We're coming up on a little bit more than a month right now.

As a result, workers are calling in six.

So airports across the country have seen long, long, long, long lines.

I've seen the videos and people just waiting while music, like God bless America is blasting

and it's just like, no, this is not what I wanted.

Y'all, okay.

Listen, my family, they were just in San Diego for our family vacation.

The lines were insane at San Diego airports.

They were insane.

Yeah.

But recently, the Trump administration decided the best idea was to put ice in some airports

about a dozen airports.

Ice does not have the exact same training as TSA, the six months of training to do anything

so they're kind of just standing around.

But in addition to not seeing ice agents at Harry Redemann National, we have not seen

hours long rates.

I think on average, they have been 15 minutes.

Even as callouts and sick calls have doubled more than to more than 100, that's what Keith

White wrote from one of the workers union told channel 13 recently and he said the biggest

reason for that is the biometric face scanners that are being used, the kind of e-gates that

are helping facilitate travels going through.

So these have been rolled out in a few airports, just facial recognition that kind of has like

a verify a traveler's ID.

It's supposed to be convenient, even though a lot of ex privacy experts, as you can imagine

are saying, there's so many red flags with this, especially with the ability to build

a national biometric system that could be used outside of TSA.

There is no system like that yet, let's be clear.

There is no system like that yet to be clear.

You can opt out of the system technically.

You can, they're not storing your facial ID and biometrics at this moment.

A lot of it is more of like theoretical of what could happen, but there are concerns

of rising about using this system.

But for the time being, that system is according to some union reps from TSA.

The reason why Harry Reid is a little bit smoother than what we've seen across the country

for now.

I remember when these got installed last year, and they were so controversial, do you all

think that basically the big brother trade-off is proving to be worth it?

Well, I think we lost that war a long time ago, not to be a pessimist, but the price

of convenience unfortunately comes at a lot of our liberties, but that's just the way

things are going.

Well, you could argue it's more than just convenience, right?

I mean, actually getting people to their flights on time and the smooth operation of

our airport, all bolsters are tourism economy.

This is not purely convenience.

It's also operations, it's safety, it's people getting places on time, right?

Yeah.

We can do that with actually paying an up and reforming our airport system or paying and fully

investing.

I agree for people.

Yeah.

We can do it all the way.

It's funny because every time the night before I flight, I'm like, I'm not going to do it.

I'm not going to do it.

I don't want to.

But then when I get up to the line, everything is running smoothly.

So I do opt into that system, but there is a lot of questions and concerns about just

the way that convenience has really shaped my life and what I'm actually authorizing and

setting myself up for the future and just out of the heat of the moment for convenience.

Yeah.

Although I am curious, because although we're talking about the facial recog being the reason

why the amazing work of our TSA workers and people showing up, which is all great, however,

new numbers this week show that Vegas had another down month for air travel last month,

continuing a rough trend from 2025.

That's a good point.

Is that maybe a sign of something maybe even worse?

I mean, we've been saying that sign for a while, just in general, people, because of policies

around tariffs, just because of policies, foreign policy and immigration policy, people

from other countries have not been as comfortable flying into the United States.

There has been just aggressive action across the board, whether it is on our economics or

on our immigration standards that are just making a lot of people uncomfortable.

And so I think that is having a bearing on just our tourism and numbers down.

And so I think there's, there's two things can be true at the same time that we have things

in place to make the systems a little bit easier.

There are incentives and push especially on a tourism economy to make sure airport is

running smoothly.

But at the same time, we were seeing less and less travelers because America has become

a little bit of a pariah under this administration because a lot of foreign countries are jiving

with the way that we are conducting a lot of our policies.

Hmm.

Did you all see this?

The other day I saw this that Delta has ended special perks for members of Congress.

Yes.

They could have gone harder.

Okay.

So what else should airlines or airports do to like put pressure on elected officials to

make a deal?

I welcome serious and serious answers to back up for people that don't have heard that

Delta announced that they're ending like special services for congressional members like

airport escorts.

However, they said things like making last minute changes to reserve and reserving seats

of multiple flights.

That will remain open at this moment.

And so one shut that off.

I didn't know they had these perks, honestly.

Yeah.

It makes sense.

But yeah.

So some things are still setting off, but I would say give every congressional member a

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So third topic, we got sports on the brain, big, big, yay sports, three most unsports

people in the entire city, yeah, oh April, I'm sorry, you're a hockey fan, whatever,

yeah, yeah, respect the name, no respect, respect, respect, however, it is very exciting

to even me that we got some news about the NBA.

The NBA has gotten one subculture to come into Las Vegas.

Here's what happened.

Just this week, NBA governors voted to approve and quote exploration of adding two teams,

Zenleaf Las Vegas and one in Seattle.

Last week, I did say that we could possibly get a team by July.

We've gotten a little more clarification on that timeline in a Wednesday news conference,

Commissioner Silver said that we're likely to have a final decision on this team by the

end of the year.

That's because right now we're in sort of this quasi approval state.

So we've got this approval to accept bids from potential owners.

So folks, if you would like to own an NBA team, the price tag is something between $7

to $10 billion.

Sure.

Okay.

Shump change.

Yeah.

What else?

No big fancies with you.

So yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Should we want to go on on this?

I'm James.

Should we go?

Sure.

Three way.

Three way.

Okay.

All right.

But so what happens next is after the bids come in, there's a whole round of approval that

has to go back to the NBA commissioners and then get final approval before we get the team.

They could be playing as soon as the 2028 to 2029 season.

So something to keep an eye on.

Still very exciting.

Nothing confirmed.

But still very, very exciting.

And then we got some bonus words news.

This is a little bit more on the, you know, the whisper kind of gossip inside sources.

But apparently sources have told ESPN's Adam Schefter that NFL owners are expected to

select Las Vegas as the site for the 2029 Super Bowl in their annual league meeting next

week.

This comes after our 2024 Super Bowl was widely deemed to success.

And they're saying that this is basically just inking, signing the contract that's already

just basically sealed and done.

If true, we'll find out next week, still all interesting stuff as somewhat non-sports

people April.

Are you all excited about this?

Is this going to be good for Vegas?

Look, I, yes, I think it will be good for Vegas.

I think that it is exciting, particularly with the NBA, that is an expansion team.

I think a lot of people, a lot of locals are frustrated or were frustrated with the

A's and with the Raiders because they were teams that were moving in here.

And you know, Las Vegas is a community that everybody says doesn't have a community.

So when it's a brand new team and it is ours, it is like Vegas born, like the Vegas

Golden Knights.

I think there's a lot more initial excitement about that to say that, hey, this is

ours, this is not somewhere else, this is not a transplant, this is our baby.

And I really love that about the hockey team.

So I think that that will also happen with NBA, like I would be, I would be more disappointed

if it was a team that was relocating.

So I think I think it's exciting that it's an expansion team.

Plus we didn't have to call a special session to give a tax break to build a stadium for

the hockey team.

It's early.

It's never early.

It's never early enough.

People's funding goods will be on the team now.

We don't know.

We don't know.

Oh, yeah, Jimmy, it's early for that.

Oh, my gosh.

If that happens, I swear.

All right.

What about the NFL news, though?

Like if Super Bowl came back in 2029, would that be pretty cool for y'all?

Yes.

I am notoriously not a sports person.

I do enjoy a Golden Knights on occasion, but at the same time, like I'm a social service

reporter to you.

Like I see everything that we do not have in this stadium.

It's like we're put and I see the machines turn on a dime to accommodate entertainment and

sports to make sure like they have everything they need and everything goes without a hitch.

But it also like leads all these social services long neglected.

And so like it's just so frustrating.

I wish there was some type of law that would be like, we'll do this as long as you like

build public transportation light rail or like like there's something out that are a city

that the people of our city actually concretely get out of it.

So, um, I know I'm such a dummy down here, but like, I just remember the last time the

sports, the sports team, I just remember the last time the Super Bowl came here.

I just remember a presentation from the Super Bowl and JV heard of it.

I know.

The sports bowl.

What's it called?

I remember the last time the Super Bowl came here.

As a presentation, and I remember someone from Safehouse was like, we don't have enough

beds right now for domestic violence victims and human trafficking victims shown in statistics

that with more sports games like Super Bowl, like Olympics, like other types of games.

Like you do see a higher prevalence of human trafficking of domestic violence and they

don't have the space to it.

So we're not building all this other infrastructure that's not really often talked about.

That's associated with actually bringing more sports.

Again, I know I'm a Debbie Downer.

I'm so sorry listeners.

It's always me.

I'm always the problem, but like, MJ, and we love you for it.

We love you for it because you have this like, you know, cynical streak in this joyful

being.

Um, but I think to your point though, it's interesting.

You're pointing that like the city can move with urgency.

We can rebuild roads and reconfigure traffic and it can basically like make move mountains

almost right to make something happen with urgency for a big event like this, but, you

know, it can't provide more beds for like domestic violence victims.

I see your point about kind of sort of the, the mismatch there between what the city is

willing to do for its most prominent and its least prominent.

Yeah.

Well, let's assume for a second though that we are excited for the sports bowl, 29.

How can Vegas out Vegas itself for the next Super Bowl?

Because they did a pretty good job in 2024.

Yeah.

I have said this before on this very podcast that the 2024 halftime show was lame and

the best thing.

This is true.

You dance to that.

I'm very strong.

And I got an email from a listener who said that I was correct because you and David

think you're argued with me about it.

Okay.

Wow.

Look, Usher was not great and the best thing that lost me is April 4th.

Okay.

Sorry.

Go on.

Whatever.

No, Usher was not great in 2024.

Apologies to Usher.

I'm sure he listens to city cast Las Vegas.

Sorry, Usher.

I got your back.

You know, but the best thing Las Vegas could do was ensure that the 2029 halftime show

kills it.

Murders it.

We are the entertainment capital world.

We need to run it.

That is the most important.

The most important thing in the world.

Everything else on the entertainment side, we do well, like the little like the LVCVA

as much as I will criticize them for a lot of things does tend to rise to the occasion

on these things, like the little airport things where they have special signs for people

who are coming in are always fun events that come around the sort of ancillary events that

go around around the city.

That would be great.

You know, they'll have all of that, but none of it works if people don't remember the

Super Bowl.

Yeah.

So here's my pitch for you halftime show.

It's a mashup of Harry Styles, Billy Eilish, Beyoncé and I love Beyoncé, but we need

Beyoncé's amazing.

She could be amazing.

We just need a very Vegas centric Super Bowl with headliners, with more Vegas, so girls

with magic mic dancers, with like, ring them all out like the show case art talents.

You know,

we just needs to be spectacular.

You know, you need to be over the top like, it doesn't matter.

It doesn't necessarily have to be somebody who's a performer here or who has a residency

here.

Like, I think that disconnect is fine, but I think it needs to just be really amazing.

But I'm still waiting for K-pop halftime show.

Oh.

Shout out to K-pop team hunters, okay?

That has to be coming.

Okay.

That idea is for free.

Super Bowl committee.

Listen to April Corbin Gernist.

You're welcome.

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Hit me up, Steve Hill.

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Well, April, MJ, thank you both for being here on The Fighting Who's Roundup.

Thanks for having me.

Have a meeting.

Have a meeting.

Go sports.

Go sports.

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