WHICH HOST IS THAT?! | Joon Lee Joins Toucher & Hardy - 4/28 (Hour 3)

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Hey, we are a toucher and already you can watch us on YouTube subscribe to 985 the sports of on YouTube. We were not here last week

Which was a good wake not to be here with the Bruins and the Celtics and the playoffs and

Corrigating fired and Vrable having the affair and the NFL draft starting

Good week not to be here all three of us

So I'm looking to take February break next year. I'm looking to switch it. Yeah, I so

Announce the same thing to my family this the last time I'll be

Taking that April break. So I don't know where I'm gonna where I would go

I mean, this is a big problem to have, but I don't know where you can go where it's warm enough in February if you choosing to go somewhere warm

I mean, you got a really travel

Yeah, the

Bahamas won't get it done Florida won't get it done

You could go to Miami have it be 50 degrees

Go to go to a roober

Hmm a roober

No, I won't go to a roober and I'm not going to Mexico despite the pharmacy

All right, so while we were gone. I apologize. Yeah, what do you need to move this?

Don't touch my they're connected. I'm not doing it to you. I'm doing it for me

The

You know that's annoying

You do it. I'm not doing it on purpose. Make sure this still works

It's playoffs is still here. That was the singer that band is a good guy. Yeah, I saw break his ankle finish the show

All right, snapped his ankle right there in Atlanta. All right, so while we were gone. Yes

There were many many co-hosts that were kind enough to fill in we had the likes of Joe Murray

Matt McCarthy

Dan Roach, Markey Don Dero, Paul Perillo, Kendra Militit Middleton and Chris Foresburg

Yes, now they all filled in and so what is the game? We were going to play Adam 12. It is

What

Running man for two seconds and then he dies smoking a cigarette running away

Yeah, well, no, it's okay. He can't smoke a cigarette with that

Fick ticker enemy died head over heels. All right. What's going on? What are we doing?

So I am going to read a quote from one of the fillin hosts from last week. All right

It's leaving it up to you to figure out single elimination once they're done they're off the board. No, they can be used multiple times

Oh, you have a whole map of course here. Yes, so yes

I will read the I will read the quote you guys will discuss among yourselves

So you think it was what host said that and then and then we can play the clip from your box pro Frank

Okay, so let's bring down the names again. It's Matt McCarthy marked on Darryl Paul Perillo Chris Foresburg

You have a list in front of you. You have you have one. Sorry. It's right there. Murray McCarthy roached on Darryl Perillo Middleton in Foresburg

Excellent all all responsible for these quotes in some way shape or form

First quote when the water hit my you know

I screams like Macaulay Culkin in home alone

Dan Roach

I'm going to say marked on Darryl. I'll say McCarthy

With water hit my you know what I went by nine. Yeah, I don't think it's Dan Roach. I don't think I don't think he's got

That specific cultural reference

Once I hit my you know what I said Frank with my dear. I don't give it to him. It wasn't Perillo. It wasn't Kendra

It was it was it was Dan Roach. He was talking about being on the Disney

I'm stuck went down Darryl. I can see your thoughts. You'll have your choices go ahead and play the clip friend

That I had to take a shower and change into an outfit and when the water hit my oh

You know nice your nipples Dan. Yes. Yeah, you know

Went from McCarthy by saying you know, you can say nipples. Everyone has them

But you know, he doesn't want to get in anyone in trouble. Good for him. Yes, we can say nipples on the radio

I don't know if you can say nipples on channel four. We can call and go get it home alone

We can say nipples on the how do you prevent that from happening?

I mean like they tell you to do that and stuff like that and cover them

Some people tape them with band-aids and everything else, but

All right, there you go. Dana. It affects me. I'm sorry. I didn't text him back

I was just sharing stories. See, I know Danny very well. You do

All right, very good next quote. I'd hold my own in an ice cream eating contest

Joe Murray

But it might be Dundero reacting to Joe Murray. Were they on the air together? They were on the air together

Dundero reacting to Joe Murray. How about that? How about a little curveball on you?

Dundero reacting to Joe Murray because I heard I did get emails that Joe was very food heavy. Oh

In contents when he was on the yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense

But it also sounds like something that Kendra would I see brag about I see I'm with I'm with Hardy on this. I was gonna say Kendra

Oh, like hey guys I eat ice cream too. Yeah, yeah, I'm an ice cream girl

Okay, we'll see

We're all the clip. I'm holding my own in an ice cream eating contest. Oh my god. I'm

Out of the box. It's it's called the square peg round hole

Trying to fit himself into a combo that he don't really belong in. It's a it's an amateur

Conversation tactic. Wow very impressive. Yeah

See best sit it out

Or but you know you don't have to or or tell a relating story instead of trying to one up

I'm just trying to figure out with the rest that Kendra conversation would sound like I could low key hold my own in an ice cream

And butter for comfort life word

That's a party peeps and then she would have

Yeah, and then she would be a pitcher. I'm an ice cream out the next one. I'm an ice cream girlie

BPFL ice cream girlie. Yep

Well, she didn't say it in your punishment her for no reason. Yeah, right

And that's why I think I was a death penalty. That's why it's fun and funny

I'm friends with that stupid kid

Adam I don't like it

All right, you think I keep doing it. All right, here we go

I'm holding my own in an ice cream eating contest. I don't care who I'm up again. I love ice cream

But I get that brain free. No, you can there's a way around it. How do you slurp it? No

Yeah, then you get punched in the face

Oh

My god, lurpin ice cream. I've never seen that

Oh, slurp it up slave

You slurp the ice cream technique where if you kind of slurp the ice cream it goes down more like milk

And you you can avoid the brain freeze. I learned it from Peter North

Early

One of his first scenes. I believe his first it was

I learned this back during a night-screen meeting contest with some legend when I worked in Mississippi

Tommy our each brown taught me how to slurp it. So you had were you involved were you covering that?

You want the competition

The record yeah

I always been good at eating ice cream especially if it's a flavor. I like spot. I like just telling you

Don't underestimate me because I'm not as big. That's a good thing

If you work in Mississippi, I'll give him some credit in this day and age of just

People putting a microphone in their bedroom and pretending that they're on the air

If he had to travel around the country trying to get audiences in Mississippi and what else you have to give them there

So Tommy how to slurp it. That's right. That's right. All right. Slurp it in Mississippi. What's next?

Homeboy

He never did that his brother

Talon did that's right and ttboy does not like that his brother did that. No, it's a whole thing

Yes, all right next quote. Do you feel that you have open range to just let it rip when you're at a urinal?

Well, that's Kendra obviously

What if it was asking a story of Matt McCarthy. Do you have that's that's

It's foursburger Murray

And I'm foursburger Murray perfect record on the line here. Do you

It's got to be Murray because I don't I don't I think it's got to be Murray because I don't know if foursburg would be

They're talking about farting at the urinal

If farting or I guess oh, yeah, I didn't even think of that

But I just I just thought of urinal and going to the bathroom. It's Murray

Please be McCarthy. I was talking about lately how when I go up to you now. Yeah, I feel that

Do you do feel that you have open range to just let it rip when you're out of urinal?

Because I talked about now before I left for my trip

The first thing that happened I go to the bathroom before the airplane. Yeah

And people are letting them rip it. I'm laughing because I just talked about this. Yeah

But I noticed every time I went into a public bathroom and I was out of urinal

Everyone was letting him rip

You're talking about farting. Yes. Oh, yes. I didn't know either. I think farting at the urinal in or out

In I mean where else you supposed to work. I feel like it's like a common thing now

Yeah, I mean, I just think that's better than but you know what though

I heard once you say you don't you you're out on crop dust thing or whatever

Like to crop dust. Yeah, I feel it. Okay. I get that but I mean where are you supposed to fart? We're gonna lose our audience

To just let it rip. I told them not to get political three for three. Wow

I'm the study I I'm a study of people

Mm-hmm. Well, let's see if you can get this quote get lubed up a little bit

Kendra Middleton

No, um or floristburg

I'm gonna I'm gonna go off the board here Paul Perillo. Damn it. I was gonna say to us

Say something different now. I want I think it's Perillon

If it's in reference to football, that's a curve ball. It's I don't know. I mean that was an old Tom Brady quote

You know get lubed up and go to the game. I think it's right. That's right. So it's Perillo kind of harking back to an old

I can't go off of that. It's got to be Perillo. So two for Perillo and who did you say Fred?

I want to take it back now, but I guess Kendra. Okay, Kendra Perillo. That role Kendra. I'm not gonna say Kendra

I'm gonna say Forrestbrook. I'm just gonna I'm gonna change it to Forrestbrook. Forrestbrook Perillo. Okay, roll it

It was 30 degrees for most of the show and I

Feeling it today. It was 30 degrees from both the show. Let's just say I'm not feeling it

It's too dying cold in here, bro

You know, Dan, you were speaking as nipples

It minor bacon, you know what? It's chilly

I don't know about you, but when I get goose bumps my nips go crazy and they're pink on account of my complexion

I

Mine are almost impervious to wear and tear

They did the outdoor broadcast at the starting line, right? Yes

Dan cold that morning was it? Yeah

Baby and they had done that even if I worked that week. I didn't work in America. No

It was 30 degrees for most of the show and I am feeling it today the voice

Never really in good shape. Really not in good shape today. So Leila la la la

She's Louise. I don't even know if I'm good to go for the second show

12 did that this proof is gonna have no fiddler tonight. We get it. We gotta keep the clip

No, yeah, it was 30 degrees for most of the show and I am feeling it today the voice

Never really in good shape. Really not in good shape today. So we'll see

You guys might be doing a lot of talking today. I woke up today and it's a no

Not not gonna happen. Well, I have cough drops. Oh, yes. You will have you will have some cough drops

So here's the thing. I don't I'm not sick. I don't feel sick. I just I have no voice. Yes, sometimes it just helps to have a little bit of lubrication

You know what I'm saying? That looped up a little bit. Exactly

Well, you kind of let him into it there

And Bella was there to to adjudicate it though. He was like jeez

Yeah, let's tell let's walk it back a step or two of your guys. All right, they're a little lady

Fellas

Boys now now

All right, let's go to clip six skip five and go to six and I'll give you the quote for clip six

You can't crap where you eat and don't throw your cat around at the end of the day. That's Kendra

No, that's Kendra. No, no, it's not Kendra. No

I'm keep going. I'm gonna go party. I'm gonna go

It better be Matt McCarthy. I'm going parallel again

It better be Matt McCarthy

Play in the character

Okay, go ahead. It's not like there are not you know other coaches. I'm sure doing nefarious things

True, but none of I would say none of this has been unfair to Mike Raeble

If if no, no, this is bit broad about itself crap where you eat and don't throw your cat around at the end of the day

That's just it is what it is. Yeah. Yeah

Jacksonville shit. I guess it is what it is. What's the cat? What's the cat metaphor there? That's the reason I chose her

There is no there was no easy I'm being serious. Is anybody know what that means? It's probably like a zizi top like kitty thing

Like Wang Dang, you know what I'm saying? It's probably Nugent. It's probably a Nugent lyric. It says it's probably from Wango Tango

Well, it's probably from Leonard Skinner the only thing that ever come out of Jacksonville other than limpskin

I'd like lots of coaches are having sex with female reporters. Yes, of course. It's all 32 of them are

Now are they cheating on their wives possibly

Like you know McVeigh can get whatever he wants in LA. That's too tempting

All right. What's the next one? Let's do one more. Let's do clip seven. Here's the quote

People on Twitter are also really upset that I called it egg pudding saying I'm ruining Mayo for them

But that's really what it is in roach

Oh, no, Joe. No, that's not Joe. I'll say parallel since we haven't had a parallel yet

Well, who is paying attention to Twitter on this list? It's done Darryl. Maybe done Darryl

Dendero or McCarthy because it's not Joe. It's too. It's not McCarthy. It's Dan, Dan or Dendero

It's too simplistic at food take for Joe

Um

And Joe wouldn't care about if it was made for mags. He's a connoisseur of taste

Um

I wanted to say perillo until I'm right, but I don't think he would comment. I don't think he would he would call

mayonnaise egg pudding. I don't think I don't think Adam pulled the clip of perillo

I'm gonna be honest with you. Oh, so I'm gonna say this is Dendero or roach

I'm almost positive. It's Dendero or roach. I'm sticking with it. It might be McCarthy. Okay. Where am I gonna go

McCarthy? Okay. How about that McCarthy? I'm just gonna call it

pudding

Forzburg. Oh, yeah, that's not out of the realm of possibility. It's not Joe

Because you think it's Joe because it's food, but it's not

But Dendero was on with Joe. Was McCarthy on with Joe

No McCarthy. It's Dendero. Fine. There you go. All right. There you go. Choices have been made all the clip

Cloggardery's male energy

Yes, my male energy

Loki a little male energy

Cloggardery's male energy both breathers. Yes, male energy. It's not good for the heart. No, it's egg pudding

People on Twitter also really upset that I called it egg pudding saying I'm winning mayo for them

But that's really what it is kind of what it is. It literally is

It's just you sub bone marrow for

Unfertilized chickens. I'm sorry. What? Yeah, bone marrow in that thing. There's I mean in pudding. Yeah

Putting is like the gelatin is bone marrow

Same with jello. I shouldn't do what is mayonnaise. It's just eggs olive oil

Salt you never saw the jaw roll cribs where he has the personal chef make the mayonnaise and he starts freaking out

Because he didn't know what it was

No, yeah, I'll never forget it about that. Yeah, there's a jaw roll cribs

Well the things you remember and they may and there's he's got a personal chef in quotation. Yeah

He is under his employ exactly in the house that he owns right exactly and

Jawroll and the guy like makes mayonnaise and you can tell jawroll has a personal chef because it's the first time

He's ever seen mayonnaise be made and he starts running around like a lunatic because he doesn't know it's like eggs

Well fine work gentlemen

It got hard after the first three wasn't so good

Now you kill I don't think I got one right we kept saying for real. Did you pull a perilip?

I did we had that's the one that we skipped. Oh, there you go

Yeah, what was the line

His quote was you got a Vaseline those babies up was more

More nipple time. No, I say I would I would I would have skipped over the parillo. Guess I wouldn't have gotten that either

All right, it's good thing we didn't do it

All right, uh here's the deal

Uh

June Lee our friend June Lee has got a article about the inner workings of the red socks and what was going on

With Kora if I'm not mistaken, Johnny toxic toxic positivity is what he calls the inner workings of the front office

Okay, so we can uh

Just start with that when we get with him

Let me write that down because I am correct and I'm recalling what I read all right. We'll be back in just a moment

I Y K Y

Which obviously Y

Okay

Yeah, we talked um baseball is a crazy game and you know, it's a game that is uh

You know, it's a business that then in the day. Yeah, we talked and uh obviously those conversations will stay between us, but yeah

All right, uh Alex Kora

Has been fired as the manager of the Boston Red Sucks in April

Um, and I'm being told that

Drive-line methodology in both their pitching and hitting programs

Uh is heavily factored into this

Adam Andrew Bailey is a close friend of Brazolos. He's heavily involved in the approach emphasizing emphasizing data-driven concept and throwing hard in the strike zone

Which at first glance throwing hard in the strike zone seems

Like a tactic from 1800. I don't really see invention of the game. I'm sure there's way more to it than that

But again, if this is that fine. Okay, you love drive-line and and you love this stuff

If he wasn't doing it, why didn't you fire him in October

Like what like last October? Why did you like if he wasn't

following

the

Organizational philosophy that you wanted to instill that why did you have him as your manager in the first place looking back on it

It seems that the fact that they were able to cling to playoff spot was the only reason he's still made it to spring

You know what I'm saying? Okay, but then if you were gonna pull that it none of it

Nothing I could think of logically can excuse the firing of him in April unless he did something

Like specific like to undermine the organization. I didn't say he didn't deserve it to be fired

Or that they shouldn't fired him. It's the timing of the firing like if everything is

You know data drip

Real quick, and then we'll get to June Lee if everything my point is this it makes sense or not. This is me

If everything is data driven and buttoned up and it's all that precise

There shouldn't be like firing this early in a season like you should have your ducks in a row

Going into spring trading let alone the regular season

That's all

Does anyone understand what I'm saying? Yeah, if everything is that precise

How did you mess up this much? Yes, if you're gonna be data driven state data driven and whoever's in charge

It shouldn't matter you keep that person or you put someone in charge that's data driven like it's

If it's also buttoned up then get your ducks in a row

Don't fire your manager in April which is a sign of it if

Organization that's out of control and just just real quick the stat that I saw yesterday

This is the earliest the Red Sox far and away the earliest the Red Sox have ever fired a manager since World War two

The previous early was early June that's the earliest they've ever fired a manager since 1945. Well, Brazil is shaking it up

And Suarez has him to thank for the one-hitter yesterday. Yes, exactly

June Lee is a journalist who is written for many of the great

Or sports organization sports suppresses around the United States in the world

Uh in June. Thank you for joining us

Yeah, thanks for having me on all right

So you wrote a very good article about like kind of what was going on in the Red Sox organization and use the term toxic

positivity

Can you explain?

Yeah, so the Red Sox I think are in a position on which I think you're you're kind of touching on

Uh kind of where they're kind of always reacting to stuff because they have this mindset of things are always going to go great

And so until the press and the fan base have gotten so loud that they almost have to react to it

They're just in this place of things are going to go great things are are awesome

And I think it's part of why we see Alex Corey getting fired in April one as you said like it doesn't

Really make any sense like what has changed you know through the first month of the season that wasn't true in the offseason or in spring training

And I think that we're in this place with the Red Sox where they're constantly trying to just tell themselves that things are good until basically the fans and the press get loud enough where they have to do something

So they're reacting to you and your

Knowledge is that they're reacting to like the press in the fan base being upset this early in the season

Yeah, they've gotten very obsessed with I think the PR because of I think just generally becoming much more like a fortune 500 wall street

Run organization

I mean, this is true. I think dating back to 2019 when they start to take on private equity investment when MLB opened up those rules

And they're kind of incentives as an organization started to shift where it was much more focused on trying to maximize the valuation of the group

And I remember when I was covering the Red Sox for ESPN at the time the things that the people in the front office were saying was

We're trying to become much more like the Los Angeles Dodgers and the Dodgers

When the new ownership group took over with Mark Walter and Guggenheim Group

They kind of revamped the organization with the eyes of I think becoming much more like a fortune 500 company

The difference though between the Red Sox and the Dodgers is that the Dodgers have taken almost a century long view

They're trying to recreate what the Yankees were in the 20th century with Babe Ruth and becoming this like decorated franchise with a lot of World Series titles

And that's how they raised the prestige and the valuation of franchise the Red Sox on the other hand

Have kind of become much more what people associate private equity with in the you know day-to-day lives of of our world today

Which is they come in they suck the life out of a of a thing that people love this happened with you know many stores like Sears and Toys R Us

And has helped it happen in the healthcare industry as part of why you know Renton and housing prices are up across America today

They kind of take in and suck the life out of and raise the prices and jack up the prices and try to maximize profit

And that's part of why I think the Red Sox are ranking 12th in baseball

In Payroll because people in Boston are willing to go see the Red Sox regardless of how good they are

And so they're able to maximize the profit that they make on a year-to-year basis by

Jack you know by keeping the payroll down and ensuring that fans are still showing up the ballpark

You know, but they and June they they say things like they did at the end of last season and and you you mentioned in Yarn to go how they feel like

They're in their window right now and they say the things to appeal to like the fan bases emotions

But then they they don't follow through on things and they kind of stick to like you said this like this you know

Like private equity mindset of maximizing profits and all this stuff

But then turn around and I would say do something inconsistent like do something emotional like get rid of the manager

Like how does that fit in with any

Financial or metric assessment of what they're trying to do with the baseball team. I mean

The answer is it does it

I mean the Red Sox are in a place where they're trying to aspire to be like the Dodgers and make these almost cold

Rational decisions, but the actions always speak louder than their words and they're acting

Incredibly emotionally on a day-to-day basis and then something that people within the organization are noticing

I mean Craig Brezlo has tied in his inner circle to a handful of people and among those people in his inner circle are the drive line guys

That Fred mentioned but also it's people who have private equity consulting experience

That are coming in and treating the Red Sox much more like a fortune 500 company

But the thing is they're not doing it particularly well

They're not they're not making decisions based on just the numbers

I mean you can go out and say that we're making

Decisions based on the numbers all the time, but your actions speak a lot louder than your words

And that's kind of where the Red Sox are right now as a result of this kind of activity June how far their heads stuck in the sand when they refuse to acknowledge bad things are happening

Are they aware that they're happening or they have completely ignored them and they don't exist?

I mean, there's a portion of the organizations

I think isn't necessarily in the inner circle with Craig Brezlo and his his kind of group of baseball operations people in

San Kennedy and the ownership group

I think that those people from

Conversations I had personally with people

I think it comes across in the interview that I had with Sam in the article that they seem to believe that things are going fine

I mean, I talked to Sam before opening day and he was kind of taken aback by you know

The tone of the conversation obviously things have gone poorly since then

But there is a large portion of the the front office and people have reached out to me

Post that article coming out on on Saturday on Sunday after Alex Cora got fired that are trying to speak up

But they feel as if they cannot speak up with in the organization because of this mindset of toxic positivity

And that's ultimately I think where the toxic part of this comes in where people feel as if they cannot

Broach the reality of what's happening with the culture of the organization because of this almost

Strict adherence to just maintaining a positive attitude regardless of what is actually happening

You know on the field or or in the offseason and the results of whether or not they're able to get the players that they actually want to get in house

And it's an interesting thing because it the the compare the

Private equity and the

Drive-lying stuff kind of fill in the same thing a lot of these guys that have the success in finance

Are dated driven and that's a formula that they've figured out and like John Henry and it works

And then you can measure everything from spin rate to every

To exit velocity and all this stuff and you can figure out

What numbers make a successful baseball player

But there's that pesky human element to it

That they seem to like and there's where that seems to be where the

Potox toxic positivity comes through is like we're just gonna outthink the human element right like we'll just put our heads down

And just hustle through anything that

You know is is anything that doesn't fit into this data point because if you throw the ball of this velocity

This spin rate in this location against this particular hitter. You know, there's a 99% probability that he's not going to make a solid contact on it

Just go do it and it's like yeah, well, you know, I'm trying I'd like to be a multi-millionaire like I'd like to make 20 million dollars

But you know, it's like hard to do so that sort of seems like what it sounds like to me a June

Yeah, I think that the whole Trevor story situation actually fits into this as well because you know

There's the signs that that you go into that meeting and the players are just going to listen because they're their data points

And they're not going to have their own opinions and they don't care about expressing their pains

I think the whole thing with a Trevor story situation is that the front office didn't necessarily need to

Listen and take everything story said into account before making that decision

I think people just want to be heard like that's the human thing like if you're making a big decision that's

Directly affecting the lives of 25 26 guys on a day-to-day basis

You want to have your voices heard even if your voice doesn't necessarily affect the final result

And I think guys understand why Alex Kora lost his job

I think that there was much more of a pushback that they felt as if they weren't just heard at all in the first place

And I think it just speaks to this kind of pattern we've seen under Krebsley

I mean the last time I was on with you guys was a whole Debra situation and Debra's was a communication breakdown

And I think you see this again and again and what happened Trevor story is is part of some of the stuff

I haven't necessarily reported yet on the front office

But people in the front office kind of feel the same way where you know people are being told what to do

And they don't feel as if their voice is heard and it's not necessarily that they need

Influence in in terms of

Having what they say to Craig Brezel and people like Sam Kennedy to be heard

To be implemented rather

But they just want to have their voices heard because they want to feel like they're having a relationship with another person

A lot of people within the Red Sox organization whether it's the club as as you can see with Trevor story

Or people in the baseball operations department don't feel like that right now

Considering it seems like top to bottom people skills are not a strong point of any of these people

And I'm wondering you know, I'm asking you speculate a little bit

Is there a way out of this because honestly Craig Brezel was a high bloom clone

So it seems like they want a certain type of person

It just doesn't sound like this is going to change anytime soon

Well, I think it's interesting that you bring that up because I was talking about this yesterday on early addition as well on

On NBC sports Boston people actually mishimes people skills. Oh boy. You know

Hi, I'm was one of the you know, you can you can talk all about his decisions all you want

But I'm went out of his way to to make people feel heard

That was actually his issue was that he was getting too many inputs from too many people

And the Red Sox have kind of swung in the complete opposite direction where Brezel now doesn't listen to anyone

And so even though the results you know in terms of just wanting to apply analytics

Might be similar to what happened under high people are actually missing that

I think that this is a larger organizational culture issue. I mean you can look at Sam Kennedy

But you should also need to look at John Henry and John Henry not talking to the media

I think is very much emblematic of this

This is an owner who is not willing to listen to what the fans and the public think through the conduits in the media

And that kind of culture and organization of mindset stretches all the way down to Sam Kennedy

Who is helping enable Craig Brezel to do that and we're seeing it kind of spread throughout the entire organization

Which is where again toxic positivity comes into play

I don't know what he's going to say at this point that's going to change anything

But it was kind of jarring when I read in your article there that it going back to what was the the mookie bets trade

And how many times has he spoken with and addressed and met with the media John Henry

Since then it's I mean this is it this is what you get from the owner now only in like seismic changes

Either with a trade like this or a firing and otherwise you just don't hear from them

I understand why he doesn't want to talk to the media

Is that I brought you all these world series when you had this curse and I still can't win with you

I get John Henry's perspective on not talking to the media

Because he probably thought when they won their worst first world series like now. I'm going to be the mayor of this town

I have carte blanche for the rest of my life and he really

Kind of deserved it in a way

But he's such a non-charismatic individual maybe that it kind of bit him in the ass

I mean he was trying he came into that Felger and Maz to like debate him. He was trying

But he was just met with this

Either a shrug or negativity. I get it from Henry. I didn't expect you to slide with ownership for that's interesting

Well, I'm working on the you know, I'm kind of in that position around here now. Yeah. Oh, yeah

Bigwig big picture. Yeah, yeah, yeah calling all the shots

June Lee appreciate it

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Yeah, the more cold and calculated it gets the more you kind of feel sometimes like you're a sucker just feeding into it

June, thank you so much. We appreciate it my friend. Thanks for having me on there you go the great June Lee

Uh, but yeah, I mean they can the way that they can analyze data now in even the performance of like your bullpens is insane

And it's all really good information

And they can figure out like based on spin rate and velocity like your chances of success. There's no question

but

It's another thing to get in the game and do it like you can it's just

There is a point where like the human element is going to come into play these are human beings

That's the other thing people skills too. I mean you it's one thing to close yourself in your office and analyze all this data

Such a spin rate and velocity and that'll go get you a long way

But there are human beings playing for you in the clubhouse

You have to interact with these people so that they want to play for you

Maybe put that extra effort out there

Well, that's a Trevor story was getting as we've talked about this the

You can have all the information in the world if you can't relate it to people in a way that they can understand and implement it

It's useless unless you use AI and then you can remove the human element altogether

And then you get super big weirdos that are billionaires running the world because they

Want to live in a world where you have sex with the tomatons and robots and you don't have to deal with anybody at all

Which seems like not as fun

I'd give it a shot

Take it for a spin

I want to try it. I like the kid like the consenting part of us both wanting to do it

Yeah, and you put a baseball cap and a flannel shirt on these tomatons

So but there's no specific kind of knows it's gonna say yes the robot's gonna say yes

Isn't there like that like that that song and dance yeah, and sometimes the no

Makes the yes so much sweeter in that if one easy my point is this

I was about to elaborate if one girl says no and you're all down in the dumps

Maybe the next girl you meet is is the love of your life and the robot a couple of robots to say no

But you know they've been programmed that way or it's just some kind of lottery system and no one needs that

No one needs that all right, uh, well, that's listen

It's a it's a lot of fun when business and private equity takes over these things and they become core

But I like the Dodgers comparison. Well, there's spending 450 billion dollars

He's

I could have signed a tawny. I know how to do that

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