Whitley Strieber and Communion: A Retrospective

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I know you know it.

It terrified most of us throughout our childhoods and even into adulthood.

That's right, communion, the Whitley Streeper book.

That's what we're going to be talking about tonight.

Not the book per se, but everything.

Whitley Streeper's story, his abduction, the aftermath, the evolution of his thoughts and theories

about what he's been dealing with.

The experiences of those around him, his family, his friends, the movie adaptation.

We're going to watch a fun little short TV special behind the scenes of how the movie

was made.

We're going to be watching a very rare interview from the late show from 1988 with Whitley

Streeper, where he breaks down his story.

And then they go to the audience that is like comprised of 85% or something, experiencers.

So a very supportive group there for Whitley Streeper, really fascinating interview that

a lot of people have probably not seen before.

So Suzanne and I are going to watch it tonight, break it down with you.

And yeah, we're going to watch a couple other videos.

We will be watching a short clip of Whitley Streeper's hypnosis session.

So just a fore warning, it may be triggering to some.

We will let you know when we get to that portion of the live stream.

And we're also going to watch a kind of a retrospective that Whitley had on his YouTube

channel, where he was interviewed and asked about everything, you know, up until today

with what he's been through and the books, the movies, everything, everything.

So this is going to be a really cool journey through the life and the experiences of Whitley

Streeper, one of the most iconic individuals to ever, you know, come out of the abduction

phenomenon.

I have had Whitley on the show.

We have interviewed him mysteriously, the YouTube version is gone.

I went back into the archives to try to pull some clips from it.

It's disappeared.

I have no idea how or why that happened.

I personally never took it down, so I don't know what's up with that.

It's so weird.

It's so weird.

The audio version did exist, so I still have that.

Thank God, because it was an incredible conversation.

I hope to get Whitley back on the show very soon.

If you're looking for a very immediate interview with Whitley, he was just on that UFO podcast

with Andy McGrillin.

You can check that out right now wherever you get podcasts.

But yeah, this is going to be kind of a nostalgia bomb tonight.

Let's start our voyage down through the life and the experiences of Whitley Streeper.

Who's read the book?

I see our moderator and co-host raising her hand, so I'm going to bring her in.

Yeah, yeah, everyone's read the book.

Everyone has read the book, but we're going to break it all down with you tonight.

We're going to go past the book and just talk about all of it.

Let's not waste any more time.

Let's bring her in our lovely co-host for tonight.

The one the only Suzanne Landers welcome.

Hi, how are you?

I'm good.

I'm good.

Let's start.

I want to get your kind of, I guess, initial thoughts.

What is your history with Whitley Streeper, the book, communion?

Maybe kind of lay that out for us before I give you mine if you don't mind.

Yeah, happy to.

The group knows that my first experience with something perhaps not of this world was

one of a seven or eight.

I was very little in a tiny town.

Oh gosh, date myself in 1967, 1968.

So Whitley's book came out.

I want to say late 80s, early 90s, but it came out as a novel.

It was not released as his experience.

And so even though I had never let go of what had happened to me, trying to figure it out,

looking constantly as technology change.

Just on microfish, looking at old newspapers, and then slowly as the internet emerged in

matured, continuing to look somewhere in that early process, I read the book, but as a novel.

And it still did not connect to me that what had happened to me might not be human.

So fast forward then a few years later, at some point he got comfortable telling the

world that this was not really a novel, that this was what happened to him and gosh,

it turned his world unhappily upside down.

People were not kind, they were not understanding.

And quite ridiculing is, I guess, the best word.

So fast forward to when I got to meet you in Edinburgh, about, I guess almost three

years ago at this point, but I had picked up a book in a bookstore one day.

It was Whitley's newest book.

And it was sort of a witness account book.

And the first two stories in Whitley's book of three years ago were exactly like my story.

Same time frame, same sound, same experience.

People roughly my age a little bit older at the time.

So, and then, you know, I got to speak with him, I'll be it briefly.

And that's my fault and that is because I don't do well chatting with total strangers.

But especially if they're, they have some fame to them, you know, just makes me so anxious.

But I got to speak with him two years ago briefly at the first Soul Foundation Symposium

that I attended for us and very nice.

He's actually very quiet, which surprises me because when you see a podcast, he's actually

quite talkative and some would say an overtalker, you know.

But that was, that was not my experience on a personal level in just sitting in a big room

and saying hello and exchanging appreciation for his work.

So anyway, that's my experience with Whitley Strieber.

Wow, thank you for sharing that.

Yeah, you know, he is a pretty soft spoken individual.

I remember when I interviewed him, he was so like his demeanor was so calm

and everything before the interview.

And then as soon as we started and he started reliving, you know, the story,

because obviously that was my first question.

Like can you walk us through that initial experience that we all kind of know,

but don't know we want to hear it from you.

And as he's reliving it, he just became like this different person.

It was so interesting to see and you could tell, like it's still to this day, affection greatly.

Yeah, I'm sure no matter what happened to him.

Exactly, exactly.

It doesn't surprise me that that was your experience.

Mm-hmm, for sure.

You know, I've got, I've got a version of the book here.

I've got the updated one from a couple of years ago.

So that's the one I have.

I've also got like three paper, paper backs and two hardcover of the originals

back home in Syracuse.

How about you?

I have the original, whatever year it came out.

I have the original first edition just by chance.

I didn't realize what I was buying when I bought it in the late 80s or early 90s.

But then I, too, have the newly released one.

So I've got them both.

And I have, of course, the second book that I bought in Scotland.

Okay, gotcha, gotcha, yep.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I love the introduction.

He does in the new one because it kind of correlates a lot of what's going on in the UFO world today.

And kind of looking at that back in the past with this book and the startling connections

that he's made and stuff.

So really interesting, really interesting.

It's a good time for me to apologize to the audience for the noise we're going to hear

in the background.

My house goes on the market in 48 hours.

And so every kind of workman is here, painters, yard people, plumbers, you name it, they're

roofers.

They're all here right now.

So it's not as bad as you think.

Okay.

Okay, good.

Hey, when we do these live stream impromptu live streams, life goes on, baby.

It does.

Doesn't it?

Yeah, it does.

Whether you like it or not.

Really does.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

I want to say hello to Andrew or good friend Andrews in the chat.

Chris is here.

Casper site would love to ramble with you.

I love Casper site.

If anyone wants to shoot him a link to this live stream right now, I'd love for him to

check it out.

He's awesome.

He's the one who promoted a Namakon last year for us.

Yeah.

I would love to see you too.

As followers, they were wonderful in the chat.

We were so supportive, so cool.

If we have any Casper site fans in the chat, thank you.

You guys are amazing.

Yeah.

We're happy to have you.

Okay.

What I think we should do is give just a tiny, I guess, introduction to Whitley Striever,

the experience, the kind of the overview of it.

And then I think we should dive right into this kind of the main interview we're going

to be watching tonight.

Susan, I'm going to breeze through this quick overview, so I get cool.

So Whitley Striever's alien abduction claims center on a series of intensely vivid experiences

that began in late December of 1985 at his secluded cabin in upstate New York.

He has repeatedly pointed to the night of December 26, 1985, specifically around 3am

when he awoke to the presence of a small, non-human entity in his bedroom.

Over the following months, he reported episodes of missing time, fragmented memories, and

reoccurring visitations, often involving paralysis, bright lights, and what he described

as invasive physical and psychological procedures.

Though hypnosis sessions with Dr. Donner Donald Klein through hypnosis sessions with Dr.

Donald Klein, excuse me, Striever reconstructed detailed narratives of these encounters with

multiple types of beings, including the now iconic gray figure featured on the cover of

his book and on your screen right now and in my background.

And the most famous alien gray image in history.

He basically defined it.

He defined it in a tangible way for humanity.

I think he was the first to actually, there were certainly descriptions.

But his book, those are the thing his book did is it established that face as a known

entity.

Yeah.

Oh my gosh.

It just dawned on me.

I think I interviewed the artist who did the original.

Oh my gosh.

We can post it later.

Yeah.

While one of the videos is playing, maybe I'll try to find that interview or at least wrote

an article about it.

It was so long ago.

But yeah, that was cool too.

Like getting the perspective of the artist according to what Whitley was telling him to

create this image.

It's iconic.

Did they do it like a crime scene artist who was helping a victim?

Oh wow.

I didn't know that.

Whitley was there with the artist and he went through it with him and said, nope, that's

not right.

Page that, this, that, it was really interesting.

Yeah.

And that's why it's not gray.

It's that fleshy color because that's what he remembers.

It was not a gray quote unquote.

Right.

So interesting.

Uh, the, okay, they have no session.

The iconic gray, streamer documented these events in his best selling 1987 book, Communion,

which became a cultural touch shown in UFO and abduction literature, followed by the book

Transformation and numerous subsequent works expanding on the encounters.

The haunting image on the cover of Communion based on streamer's own description helped

define the modern alien archetype in pop culture.

In 1989, the book was adapted into the film Communion starring Christopher Walken.

So we're going to talk about all that.

Absolutely.

That's a good time, Ryan, probably to give a trigger warning.

Some of what gets talked about here today by Mr. Strieber is very difficult to listen

to, even if you don't bring to the conversation, trauma in that regard.

So if you exit stage left, we get it.

Don't worry.

We'll know it was just too much and otherwise hang in there with us and we'll all get through

it together.

Exactly.

Thank you for saying that because, you know, there will be some pretty, uh,

invasive things that Whitley says happened to him.

So yes, yes, we'll try to keep doing that.

They say no love and light.

I have to say it.

It's not at least the physical.

I'm not even sure it was meant to be hateful or hurtful.

I just have a, to me, it's a reflection of perhaps it's not the nevelant or hateful.

It's scientific.

It is like we would capture an animal and tag it if something we're going on with

its species, you know, I don't know.

I just think it's a reflection of how we should not humanize, you know, apply human

emotions to what has happened.

It's hard.

Right.

It's hard.

It's very hard.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I think we start with this 1988 interview where Whitley Strieber went on the late

show, which was, um, used to be at that time hosted by Joan Rivers.

Oh, that's true.

And then, uh, yeah, remember that.

Oh, yeah, I do.

And then, um, a gentleman named Ross Schaefer took over, replaced her.

That's who you'll see in this interview.

Um, the late show.

Was that the one that David Letterman did?

I should know that.

I'd show what they worked for him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The late show and tonight show for a long time, Johnny Carson was tonight show.

Yep.

Letterman did the late show.

Yeah.

I worked for Letterman for a year.

Got to meet him.

I was a part of a lot of those iconic kind of moments where like, uh, Paul McCartney played

on the, the marquee.

Uh, when walking Phoenix was like crazy and did it say, oh, yeah, I remember that interview.

Oh, yeah.

It ended with David Letterman saying, so sorry, you couldn't be here tonight.

Yeah, right.

Yeah.

Uh, he was so stoned or whatever.

I don't know what he was doing.

I don't know.

A form of peace.

But I was there for Madonna, Beyonce, Green Day, um, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, the

sitting president at the time, I was there for that interview.

It was remarkable.

I'm saying a biography in our future.

Yeah.

Maybe.

I got some juicy stories.

The makings of a UFO podcaster.

Oh, for sure.

I was backstage with some of these celebrities and they ain't all, uh, good stories.

I can tell you that.

I'm sure they're not.

I'm sure they're not.

Story for another time.

Yeah.

I don't want to break the hearts of any of our Madonna fans out there, but that's, that's

a story.

And I've not gone well for her in real life.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know.

And you tell.

I have sympathy.

Anyways, um, let's go back to the late show of 1988, um, and yeah, maybe we'll stop the

video a couple times if there's something we feel compelled to really talk about.

But let's kind of hear Whitley tell his story and then, um, they eventually start talking

to people in the audience and the host will explain who's in the audience because I thought

it was really interesting.

Um, so what do you say?

Should you start?

It's not in for this.

Let's go.

Okay.

Let's do it.

Here we go, guys.

This is an interview on the late show back in 1988 with Whitley Strieber.

I think Bill Moore, the UFO researcher, very controversial guy, was there at the time

as well.

Um, there was a whole other section of the episode that I cut out.

We're just going to focus on the Whitley Strieber part of it.

Um, but that's why if you're wondering why Bill Moore just is randomly sitting there.

It's because they did a whole section on majestic 12, um, I think it was the golf

breeze UFO sightings at the time, but we're focusing on the Whitley Strieber part, so.

Okay.

All right.

We're going to start with more questions.

Let's go.

Let's go.

Here we go.

Welcome everybody.

Welcome to the late show.

Now, folks, we have a very special program for you tonight.

Um, this is a special late show.

We are going to examine startling new evidence that there is life on other planets and that

aliens have been visiting our planet regularly.

Now, we're going to look at pictures of UFOs.

We're going to look at pictures and video tape that have never been seen on national

television before.

We're going to get first hand accounts of the largest UFO investigation going on right

now in Florida.

And we're going to meet people who say that they've actually had contact with the aliens

and their stories.

I must tell you are very amazing.

In fact, we have more than 60 members in our studio audience tonight who have had contact

with UFOs, the largest group of UFO witnesses ever gathered for a television program.

Now if all this UFO activity is real, then the obvious question has to be what do the aliens

want from us?

Well, we're going to try to find that out.

Now before we begin, we're curious how many viewers actually think that UFOs are real

in the first place?

So, last night we asked you to call in and tell us if you thought UFOs were real.

A surprising 90% of you who called said yes, they believe in UFOs.

Wow.

Now, last night, after you've seen the evidence, you will have another chance to vote.

Now our first guest tonight is Whitley Striever.

All of his life Whitley says he said contact with UFOs.

And last year he wrote a book about it called Communion.

Communion was a number one bestseller for months, but more importantly, thousands of other

Americans read the book and wrote to Whitley with their own UFO encounters.

Thousands of people, all across the United States, describing exactly the same kind of

incidents.

What's going on here?

Well, that's the subject of Whitley's new book called Transformation.

So let's get on with the show right now I want you to meet Whitley Striever.

I love the music.

Well, Eddie's music.

Well, Eddie's music.

Well, Eddie's music.

Like, young and death are Whitley Striever.

Oh, my gosh.

Like, yeah.

Well, I have a chance to read both books.

It's extremely interesting reading.

Thanks.

So let's just say that I'm totally skeptical of the whole deal.

I would ask you, why is it there is no physical proof of an identified flying office?

The question is very interesting.

The question is very interesting.

No.

That's this.

Unless there's no physical proof, our government, our scientists, military, medical professionals,

don't get involved.

Meaning that there's nobody telling the ordinary person what to think about this.

Everybody can make their own decision.

Everybody can turn away from it, be skeptical as they want, turn toward it, deny it, accept

it, whatever they want to do.

Means we're completely free on the one hand.

And on the other hand, because our official authorities aren't involved, the visitors

are in complete control of the situation.

And I think that that may be changing.

I think that we're just at the edge, quite possibly, of getting physical evidence that

incredibly contact of some kind may very well be underway.

So, do you think that comes because they are starting to trust us, or are they starting

to believe that we might be ready to hear the information?

People are beginning to form, be able to have relationships with them.

When I was, I realized they might be real.

I literally just started going out into the woods in the dark, in the middle of the night

alone, the woods that they had taken me through, scared to death, but trying to get some

kind of something going with them, and they began after a few months to start to come

back.

That, I didn't know that.

That's great.

You would go back into the woods where this happened.

That's almost a good, toxic relationship.

In my opinion.

It makes sense, though, because of the trauma, you're going to keep doing what you think

you need to do to replicate, to clarify, to make peace with what has gone on, and I think

this was how he did it.

Okay.

I was in microfish and old newspapers, but this is what he chose.

Of course, his experience was so traumatic, so.

Okay.

Good point.

Okay.

Okay.

Now, what do you think we can do, or, you know, say we're on the edge, to bring about

some proof?

I think we're going to hurry it along.

I don't think, oh, to hurry them along, we forgot it.

They will do this exactly as they please.

I have tried to get, I've used every kind of piece of equipment you can imagine to try

to get evidence from all kinds of exotic cameras, et cetera, and so forth, but they will

come forth on their own when they're ready.

I think the more we turn toward them, the more we try to have relationships with them,

that we try to undergo this experience of transforming our understanding and our acceptance

of them, the faster it's going to have.

You have, oh, you claim to have, a bit of proof inside your own head.

In a sense.

Yes, yes.

Let's take a look at an X-ray.

Okay.

And you tell us what we're seeing here.

This is an MRI scan, and up in the upper, yes, right up there, you can see a little white

dot.

Now, that dot corresponds roughly with a needle intrusion that I reported in communion.

Now, there are also other similar dots in my head.

They have been diagnosed by the neurologist as unknown bright objects of no medical consequence.

They occur in about 5% of the brains that are analyzed.

Right now they aren't the people who are, no, no, no, no, of people just generally who

are analyzed at random.

Right now, they aren't proof of anything, but we have at least one other person here in

the audience who's had an MRI scan, and a similar object has been found in her case in

her neck.

There's a case in Florida of a woman who's had an MRI scan, a similar object found in

her brain.

People who have had the visitor experience.

If this keeps happening, it will mean that this may be evidence of physical intrusions

that we've been reporting.

Now, what this means, or to put it in the layman terms, I'm just going to speculate that

when you talk about a needle intrusion, it's as if you have been tagged like a deer.

Well, as to what these needles are for, that is something that we're not able to charge

out.

Not yet.

That would be up to science, and I hope, when I first saw that thing in my brain, all I

can say is I hope we find out what they were for pretty soon.

How many times have you been visited over the years?

I don't know.

I could not count.

I couldn't get it.

I can tell you that there have been at least five or six times where it was definitely

happening, and I remembered it, but as to other times, I just don't know.

Now, you describe it as being kind of a frightening experience in the book.

Is it still frightening?

Oh, sure.

It is to a degree, but I've gotten used to it, and I've...

I just haven't seen the harm.

I've seen they can be very rough at times, but I have a feeling it's because they're scared,

and as we are, I mean, it's a very scary thing they're trying to do, because they after all

far from home.

And some of the scientists working with me have speculated that this is going so slowly,

perhaps it's because it's the first time for them, too.

Now, you...

I find it interesting the empathy he showed, like these doctors or explorers came from

a long distance away, like that must be very hard for them.

Like, wow.

Yeah, I know.

The empathy.

And even the use of the term visitor versus alien or extraterrestrial, you know, he's talking

about...

Yeah, kidnapper, abuser, all those names.

He's...

I've seen him talk about this a couple of times, and he talks about how that word is important

to him in order to maintain his neutrality a little bit, like what we were talking about

before we got going, um, substantively, because it's more...

One of those things, like, if you don't really get it, don't necessarily assume human

emotion and motive to it.

And to him, the word visitor is neutral.

Hmm.

To me, it's not so much, because it means they don't live here, and I'm not willing to

concede that yet.

But...

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's fair.

He's convinced.

He's already convinced of that, yeah.

Yeah.

Describe, in communion, pretty graphically, some of the examinations that have taken place

on you.

Yeah.

And you get back through hypnosis.

Mm-hmm.

The whole detail.

The whole detail.

But I remembered this before hypnosis.

You're found...

Or you remember being nude on a table, as they probe, and put a rectal probe in my body.

Oh, you didn't say that.

We'll...

We're gonna imagine.

No, I know.

But...

The thing is, I do want to say it, because people need to face this thing.

It is hard at times.

We have to acknowledge that.

This is where the entire cliche of anal probes really started when it comes to abduction

experiences.

And of course, the host laughed about it.

Of course.

And with the intertained, the humor of that, but you...

That was not a fun experience for you, clearly.

No, it was.

Clearly.

And it's just one of those human things.

They laugh when they're nervous.

We laugh when we're uncomfortable.

And I think it's all those things.

And no one is hearing this before, right?

This isn't something that prior abductees have talked about in such a public way.

I'm sure they talked about it, but just not on the late show, you know, or Big National

audience.

Yeah.

Pretty brave of him to go on a late, very comedy show.

And it did just destroy his life for a while.

It did.

It did.

Yeah.

But also maybe true that what they were doing was making sure that I would not get diseases

or something or that I was immunized or protected from something in their atmosphere that would

be dangerous to us.

Are there been ever ones?

You say they're rough with you sometimes.

You think they're...

The experience has been that when I turned toward them and tried to relate to them, I was

opened up deeply and profoundly in ways that I absolutely wouldn't trade for anything.

Whether that means they're benevolent or I just made good use of their presence, I don't

know.

But I do know that if you break through the fear and start working with this inside

yourself, you can really make something out of it.

You've touched them, actually.

And you talk about that in the transformation.

And they've touched me.

They've touched you.

Your family has been physically touched.

Oh, yeah.

My little boy has had this...

What is that like?

Or how does he describe it?

Well, he said that one night before I, Anne and I breathed the word about this to him,

he suddenly came and said to me that there were these little blue doctors as he put it

coming into his room at night and shining these big lights on him.

And what was that about, Daddy?

Well, Daddy did not know what that was about.

I just about died when he said that to me.

I was frantic, but he's healthy.

He's happy.

He's bright, comfortable with his life, he does not have nightmares about it.

And his take on it is, the visitors can be real sometimes.

Anything happened to you recently?

Well, the most recent things that happened was I had a direct confrontation with them in

January.

I went within about 50 feet of them.

They were beyond some trees with this great, big, huge gray shape.

And I could see three figures line up in front of it as I came forward.

I did not go all the way, and the reason I didn't was that I thought if this isn't working

and if I don't come back, then my wife is going to be left.

I just couldn't do it.

I'm not ready yet.

I would probably do it now because I've learned a lot since then, but then I wasn't quite

ready.

In June, there was a very interesting thing that happened at my cabin because I've been

quite desperate for verification.

And I had three journalists and six people who have had the experience before and are

comfortable with it up at the cabin.

But there was verification that took place.

We're going to talk a little bit more about that later on in the show, too.

Well, tonight, now, here in our studio, we have gathered the largest group of people

who have ever had UFO experiences in a television audience.

And we're about to hear some of their stories right now.

And I want you to meet Deanna Dubay.

Deanna, do you want to stand up for a second?

Are there some brave people?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And again, I thought this was such a rare and unique thing for the late show to do.

They gathered a support system for Whitley Strieber because I'm sure this was a very hard

thing to do.

I mean, clearly, the guy is well-spoken and you could tell, like, you know, he's comfortable

talking, he's theatrical, he's a writer, he's a centric.

And at the same time, this is a deeply stigmatizing thing that he's put out to the world in

books and now on television.

And now we're hearing from other experiences.

This is really interesting.

It is.

Yeah.

I always view it as the beginnings of a larger population focusing here, right?

Yeah.

Good point.

Yeah.

Kind of an awakening.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You've had a very unusual experience, heart disease, cured by these little beings.

Yeah.

When I was 12, I was born with this genetic heart defect and when I was 12, I had an experience

where I woke up in the middle of the night.

I saw a being above my bed, placed his hands on my chest and he said, I'm here to heal

you.

This is after the doctor said there's no cure.

This is after the doctor said, no cure, there's no help.

And I had two relatives who died from the same defect.

And isn't your heart twice the normal size?

It was normal shape and size and it was shaped like a sock, the left ventricle was larger

than the right.

And so I woke up the next morning and I had a few chest pains went to the doctor, they

checked it out.

And my heart had totally shrunk to normal shape and size.

No medical reason for that.

No medical reason and my pediatrician of 17 years could deal with the fact that there could

be a miracle involved here and he just closed the case and said, what, you never had a

problem to begin with.

Hmm.

Have you ever had anything like that since?

Oh yes.

I've had experiences ongoing all my life and that was just the major dramatic one.

But lately I have had quite a few experiences.

What's happening lately?

I'm just being taken examined and I find that they are guiding me to more people who have

this experience and I'm being just led to them.

They show me pictures of them before I meet them now and that's kind of weird.

I expect Rod Serling to come out of my walls any minute and say hello.

What do your friends think?

I don't, it's not something I advertise except for tonight.

Everyone's going to know, no, no, no, but the majority of my friends have been supportive.

Healing aliens.

We did an entire episode on that in the archives.

Susan, if anyone wants to listen, go back.

I think it was called like I was healed by an alien and I worked directly with UFO researcher

Preston Dennett.

I wondered if this was in relation to Preston because he has one as well about this topic.

Yeah, yeah, basically I did the podcast version of his article.

He licensed it to me.

We've done that a few times actually.

And then we'll get actors to voice over people like this experience or here and stuff

like that.

But what do you think of this concept of the visitors or the beings healing people?

Do you think that's possible?

I do think it's possible.

I think they are so far ahead of us.

And this is one of the things that to humans looks like magic, right?

It looks like magic.

We're not understanding the energy work around it or whatever that is.

But I think we have to keep in mind how far ahead of us they are.

We watch their craft.

We can't do what their craft do.

So this doesn't surprise me at all.

Very open-minded about this.

It's such a good point.

Thank you so much Raphael for the super chat there.

Communion was never published as a novel.

It's always been communion, a true story.

Interesting.

Okay.

I mean, we didn't even mention it.

I'm glad Raphael commented there with that.

That Whitley Schrieber was a fiction writer, horror fiction writer.

And that complicated things.

Yeah.

It complicated things.

When the turnabouts on intent was also a complicating factor.

Yep.

And most skeptics will say, this was just him trying to make a buck.

And trying to sell a story that he clearly had written as a horror novel or sci-fi horror

as a novel.

And then he slapped true story on it and took on this persona of an alien abductee.

I don't see that.

I'm speaking with him and years of his interviews and stuff.

I don't get that.

Especially, we're going to play some of his hypnosis session after this interview where

some happened to this guy, something definitely happened, but yeah, should we get back to the

experiences?

Sure.

Okay.

Thanks again, Raphael.

All right.

Thank you very much.

All right.

Now, let's meet.

This is Raven.

Raven, please stand up.

Raven Dana.

Now, tell us about your incident.

You have, or you were met by an alien named Farb.

Is that right?

Yes.

So this is the first time that a name has been associated with one.

Okay.

My name, when I was five, I woke up with something standing at the foot of my bed, which

at the time I interpreted it to be a gnome or a fairy as a child might.

And of course, I asked him, well, what's your name?

And he told me the name, F-A-R-B, Farb, but that was not his name.

It stood for what he was not.

And that I needed to remember that because it would be revealed to me later, in quotes

later.

And it was actually quite a bit later.

I had some ongoing experiences with that being where he would appear to me in an in-between

state that was maybe like a dream state.

And speak to me, I could hear his voice, and an examination experience, which I remember

parts of very clearly.

Is it as a graphic, an examination as everybody describes?

The examination itself was blocked out, but I remember being in the craft and being on

the metal table and having that face come up to me.

And tell me that, ask my permission if he could examine me.

And I said, yes.

Later on, actually, many years later, I was 12.

And I was in high school, my first biology class as a matter of fact.

And what really happened was a few weeks before that, I'd had a series of dream events,

or those in-between events, where I saw him and recognized him.

And I was thinking about it in class.

As the teacher was writing on the board, fish, amphibian reptile, birds and reptiles, and

it's spelled the name, F-A-R-B.

And I got physically sick and had to leave the room.

It just hit me.

That was what he was not.

And it was perfectly clear that he was real and that he was something other.

I agree.

All right.

I also know that your daughter was affected.

I suspect that she may have been affected.

Many people complain of the same thing.

And that is nosebleeds after an experience.

Are they wake up with blood?

Well, nosebleeds are common among a lot of people, but they're very common among people

who have experienced something like that.

And I also had the chronic nosebleeds.

From the time I was five until the time I was about 12 or 13, chronic nosebleeds, to

the point where when my grandmother said that, well, we needed to do something about it,

I was about 10.

Maybe we need to have your nose cutterized.

And I said, well, what's that?

And she said, well, if I just put a little thing up your nose, I had a total temper tantrum

through myself on the floor screaming, no one's going to put something up my nose again.

Although, can I share something, Susan?

So and you can unmute if you if you want to, if you want to comment on this.

I met an experiencer out of Denmark, I believe it was.

And he had implants all over her body.

And you could see them.

I could literally see them in her body.

And she complained about the nosebleeding.

And we do hear that a lot in abduction stories of an implant has been inserted into the

naval cavity.

They have been removed at times by people like Dr. Roger Lear, the late Dr. Roger Lear.

But I'm not kidding you.

I was at a restaurant with this woman.

And she's telling me about one of her experiences.

And she said, and then, you know, the nosebleeds happen all the time.

And she's mid sentence and a stream of blood.

Oh, I'm telling you.

Oh, my gosh.

No.

Wow.

Something.

I was petrified.

I mean, I was at the moment.

I was concerned.

I'm like, I got her some napkins.

And she's like, it happens all the time.

And I'm like, why did it happen right now?

And she's like, because I brought it up because she's talking about it and connecting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was always that's a once-in-a-lifetime experience.

Oh, I got chills just reliving that.

I bet.

I bet.

Yeah.

I had a cracker barrel.

None the less.

Is that a cracker barrel, guys?

Over a fried okra.

Yup.

Yup.

If you Americans, you Americans know what I'm talking about.

Southern comfort food.

Alien implants.

Nosebleeds.

It was a crazy American night.

That's for sure.

Sure.

Interesting story by this lady.

Should we keep going?

Absolutely.

OK.

And Rafael, thank you again for another super chat, buddy.

We truly appreciate that.

I had no conscious memory of that happening ever, ever.

Many years later, in fact, in Denver, Colorado,

I had an experience in the middle of the night where I woke up,

thought I was having a heart attack or a stroke because I couldn't move.

I was totally paralyzed.

But I could see a reflection in the window that there was someone or something

standing in the door of my room holding a shape, which was my daughter in its arms.

My first reaction was just terror.

I thought my house was broken into.

And then I realized what it was from years before.

And I was told, in my mind, not to be afraid that it was a friend.

And just as I had been asked, she would be asking, it would be fine.

I was held in that state for what seemed like 15 minutes, but who knows, in that state.

And when I was released, I got up and ran to her room and found her perfectly asleep

peaceful, but covered with blood she had had a nosebleed.

And it made sense.

In fact, at that time, the following day, I just kind of casually drew a picture of what

I had seen as a child and said, do you ever have dreams or do you have an imaginary

friend like this?

I didn't know.

I had no recall whatsoever, which I actually felt good about.

However, not more than two weeks later, with the picture still in my home, I saw the

book communion in a bookstore.

And again, just had an incredible reaction, brought the book home, and it was exactly

the same as what I had drawn.

The same figure.

Exactly the same.

Raven, thank you very much.

All right.

Well, I'll tell you what.

We're going to take a break.

We'll come back with more of our UFO Special on the Late Show.

Stay with us.

Now, we have been listening to real-life UFO experiences, and I'm curious to know how

many people in the studio audience here have seen the UFO or an alien or know somebody

who has.

Just applaud.

All right.

So that's more than the people that we had come down here.

Now, I want you to hear some more.

This time from Laurie Barnes.

Laurie, you stand up here, please.

Now, Laurie, tell us about your first visit from one of the aliens.

All right.

My first experience was in 1954, my first conscious experience, I should say, that I remember

vividly.

I was in my mother's house in Massachusetts.

What did they look like?

Well, this was when I saw a huge saucer.

But first, I heard a voice.

I was sitting in the living room with my brother playing board games.

And I heard a voice.

It was very strange.

And I was saying, come outside.

And you will see something.

I took my brother, my brother, trailed along after me.

And almost immediately that we got out, this huge blue and white pulsating ship came, I

think, from the eastern horizon and came very close down and stood perfectly motionless

spinning.

And then, made a little circle above our heads, and then continued down over the left horizon.

But that was the beginning of...

That was the first time.

Yes.

I have seen that same ship every so often.

Where do you live?

For years since.

Well, this happened in Massachusetts.

This is in Massachusetts.

I'm now living in New York.

All right.

But the only times that you have seen it have been in Massachusetts?

Oh, no.

You've seen it elsewhere?

Yes.

Okay.

Now, have you seen the beings themselves?

Yes, I have.

How would you describe what they look like?

About three, maybe, not quite three feet tall, about three feet tall, I never had a tape

measure.

Uh-huh.

Yes.

Okay.

And very stocky and very strong, and because they lift you, and they handle you, and

there's no doubt that they're very strong.

Shape of eyes ahead, anything?

The eyes are huge, like enormous toy button eyes, and very glinty, and they dart around

a lot.

And the skin is a sort of a silver, gray, blue, and maybe a little more blue, and people

speak of little green man.

They're actually blue.

Oh, okay.

All right.

What the hell?

Oops.

I was muted.

She's so sweet.

She is.

She is.

And she's brave, especially for her age in that time, coming in and telling her story.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's so interesting to hear different experiences, describe the beings.

Right.

They're all little different.

If they all matched exactly to Whitley Streeper, then I think there'd be a problem.

I would feel like.

I think so too.

You know what I mean?

It would be too influenced by him, but the other woman brought up too.

That book cover triggered so many alien abductees and brought back memories, which Streeper

would eventually write about in the book that you read about the witness experiences and

all that.

So yeah, interesting.

I like this woman.

Her hair and her.

I love it.

I love it.

I love it.

All right.

Her little blue beings.

Yeah.

Very strong little blue beings.

Very.

Thank you very much.

Thank you very much, Laurie.

I want to move down here to Ed Conroy.

Hello Ed.

How are you?

I know you've had an experience.

Now I had you are a journalist.

This is right.

And currently a columnist for the San Antonio Express News.

Okay.

Journalists are typically pretty skeptical people.

Yes, right.

It's our profession.

Yeah.

All right.

So you are not the kind of guy that would get sucked in by this unless you really believe

it.

Well, I guess in that right.

I like to think that I'm not the kind of guy who would get into this unless I knew

something about it.

And I've been making an effort to know something about it through my own investigation.

I was first handed a copy of the manuscript of communion well over a year ago, but I didn't

want to touch it originally.

It was only after reading a lot of Willie's works that I began to investigate him.

I'm currently writing a book entitled Report on Communion, which will be published in next

year by William Aron.

Okay.

Now, but you had an experience before you read his book or before you read the manuscript.

Well, yes, that's right.

And what was it?

I had an experience of waking up in the middle of the night and knowing that someone was in

my apartment.

I was terrified.

I looked for a block of wood next to my bed, a back massager I wanted to defend myself.

The next thing I knew, however, I had gone from an upright position in my bed to being

just completely flat on my face and it was in the morning.

I was waking up and I saw that there was a good-sized splotch of blood on my pillowcase and another

one down below that.

There was a dull source sensation in my right side of my head, a little bit of dried blood

on the nostril.

And I was very scared.

Now talking about it, it brings back the feeling and so I was ill for a period about a week

after that, dealing with that.

After that experience, I was convinced that there was indeed something to this.

I had read stories about insertions, probes and so forth.

So I've had a number of subjects.

Did you have the same feelings of Whitley did about thinking, I'm a crazy person here?

This couldn't have happened to me and if it did, I'm not going to tell anybody about

this because of UFOs.

Well, I wasn't prone to question my own sanity, Ross, but I did think that

this was something that I needed to be quite careful about.

I finally decided to start talking about it about six months ago.

Thank you very much for putting that on our show.

Thank you very much.

All right.

We're going to take a break.

We'll have more, though, with the lecture after this.

I love it.

Graves.

Graves.

A literary person, a police officer, anybody, a lawyer, anybody who has something to lose in the

game, whether it's their own personal credibility in their own world or bigger, because they are

taking those chances to tell what happened and it is real enough to them to be worth it.

Absolutely.

I'm interested about that book, the report on communion.

Has anyone in the chat read that?

I'd love to know that anyone's read it, what it's about.

Maybe I'll buy it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Add it to our communion pantheon.

Exactly.

Here.

Exactly.

Interesting.

Interesting.

All right.

Should we keep going?

Yeah.

We've got a little bit under a quarter left.

Well, back to our special, you have a relation, and we've been talking with our studio audience

about their abduction experiences.

And now, joining us by a satellite is a psychologist who is studying the whole abduction phenomenon.

He feels that there are other explanations for some of these experiences.

Please welcome from New York.

Dr. John Gliven.

Dr. Gliven.

Hello, Dr. Gliven.

Hello there.

Now, what are the alternatives?

Let's play the skeptics corner now.

What are the alternatives to this quote, visitors?

I already hate him.

Why do you already hate him?

That look at his face.

He's going to be a skeptic.

He is.

But you know what?

I'm glad they did this.

We need to see the other side, and we need to hear from a psychologist.

What's his agenda?

Is motive?

What is he about to say?

I don't know.

But I guess let's hear him out, but already I'm kind of like, I got my eye on you.

I'm begging you.

Yep.

Experience.

Well, I'm a sympathetic skeptic.

I take very seriously the material that's been presented tonight.

But I would want to remind the audience that there are other possibilities that may happily

coexist with the hardware possibility that we've been talking about.

There are many aspects of a traditional religious experience to some of the abduction narratives

that I've encountered.

All through human history, people have had amazing encounters with angels, demons.

You name it.

This is the late 20th century.

It's entirely possible that in some cases, at least, instead of seeing an angel, some

of us, when we have our religious experience, we'll see Captain Kirk or Jean-Luc Picard

from the enterprise instead.

So that's one kind of possibility.

Another that certainly has to be kept in mind is that the mind itself, the brain, is

a wonderfully complicated and quite mysterious organ that every minute of our lives, the brain

is producing a simulation of the physical world.

It's always able to produce images that seem very real.

Otherwise, none of us would make it through a day.

Some of us may have brains which are quite normal, but also have the additional ability of

occasionally having a glitch, which might prove to be a transcendental glitch in some

cases.

In other cases, it might lead us to an alien encounter.

Dr. Glyther?

Yes.

What about this possibility?

Many of us have common dreams.

Many of us have the same dream that our teeth are falling out or have the same dream that

we're flying through the air or that falling from a building.

Now, that's a common dream as maybe a common hallucination, let's say, a little man in

our bedrooms.

Could that be an explanation?

That's certainly on the menu of possibilities.

Let me emphasize that nothing can be fully ruled out right now.

Although, naturally, I, as a sympathetic skeptic, I'm going to have to see some bolts from

the spacecraft before I incline in that direction fully.

Although I have great respect for what, say, Brian O'Leary and also other investigators

of the Florida phenomenon, Bruce McAfee, have said.

Do the stories bother you from a professional level?

Well, Dr. O'Leary.

You're a psychologist.

I'm a psychologist.

I'm not in the therapy side of psychology, I'm a research psychologist.

Bothered, well, I know from my study of neurology and orophysiology that many strange experiences

are produced by minds which are perfectly normal in many ways.

Whitley has mentioned at the very beginning of the program the things that the brain scan

revealed in his own brain.

He was careful to point out that perhaps 5% of people given such a scan reveal such anomalous

structures, and to we know a lot more about what's going on.

I think we just have to put that data along with everything else up for grabs.

It's on the menu of possibilities.

Dr. Glybman, thank you very much for joining us tonight.

Thank you.

All right, we're going to take a break.

We'll be right back, folks.

Stay with us.

Not terrible.

Not horrible.

Good luck getting those bolts.

Yeah.

Good luck.

And even that fundamental thinking that there are bolts compared to some of these plasma

looking orbs and light structures that we see in it.

We had to come a long way to get to where we are today from that comment.

Right.

You know, it echoes Betty Hill who tried to get a get something a book or something from

me.

Something.

Yeah.

And like it's just either dematerialized or they took it back or something, she was

like, yeah, I need tangible proof to bring back with me and she couldn't, she tried and

she couldn't.

You know, just before I left the Santa Fe house a month ago or so to come and get this house

ready to sell, I was having these long watch sessions with some orbs over Los Alamos.

And so in my mind, I would send sort of the message, I would like to video, mad video.

And they go away.

They go darn it.

And then a little bit later, they're back and I watch for a while and then I say, I would

really like to take a photo and they go away.

They go away.

I don't know.

So something's going on there.

Weird.

Yeah.

The parapsychological.

The parapsychological.

Yeah.

They don't want it.

That's interesting.

Really interesting.

That's video out there.

So I don't understand at all, but yeah, yeah, I mean, who knows who knows they, they, when

they want to be seen and recorded, they will let you be seen, they will let themselves

be seen or for.

It's right.

That's right.

For sure.

For sure.

All right.

We're almost at the end of this interview.

And then next we're going to move on to some of the hypnosis session of Whitley Strieber.

So let's finish this one up.

Welcome back.

Now, once again, we would like to know what you think after all that you've heard here

tonight.

Do you believe in UFOs?

Do you believe that we're being visited by extra terrestrials?

Well, if you say yes, the aliens are real, call this number, 1-900-220-2788.

I dare you.

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We'll take a break.

We'll be right back.

56.

Welcome to pass.

We have to pay a call.

All the time.

Yeah.

You have seen the evidence.

Is it fantasy?

That'll it may be.

But suspend your skepticism for just a moment.

Suppose aliens have rewritten the laws of physics.

Suppose that they can cure disease telekinetically.

Just suppose they are studying us for our evolutionary process.

And if we ever meet these space travelers, as Whitley Striever's book transformation says,

there will be great wonder.

Great wonder.

Thanks a lot.

Good night, everyone.

Good evening.

Thank you very much.

Brian.

Bill.

All right.

I'm sure indeed, here we are today, one million years later, talking about it and trying

to figure it out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, for a late night comedy show, I thought that was pretty well done.

And pretty respectful.

Yeah.

Ross Schaefer.

Ross Schaefer.

I thought he did pretty good.

He didn't crack too many jokes.

He, you know, he realized these are adults talking about pretty traumatizing things.

I'm not going to make fun of them, you know, say, maybe he went backstage after and left

his head off.

But I thought he did pretty good.

I thought so too.

I thought, especially for 1987 or whatever year that was.

Yeah.

1987.

I believe you're right.

88.

1988.

Yeah.

Okay.

Let's move on to the hypnosis session.

Now this thing was 46 minutes long.

I'm only playing three and a half to four minutes of it.

And it's at the very beginning when the beings entered the home, the cabin of Whitley

Schaefer.

We're not getting into him on the craft or anything like that.

I will link to the full hypnosis session for you guys in retrospect after this.

So you can hear it again before warned.

It's pretty troubling to listen to the whole thing.

And the clip we're about to play is troubling.

So here is your warning.

We're going to play it in just a moment here.

And you will hear him reliving this.

According to his hypnosis session, now I know the hypnosis technique is very controversial.

I don't know where I personally stand on it.

I become a lot more skeptical of it as the years have gone on.

However, it does appear to me that Whitley is being genuine, but I don't want to influence

people's thoughts.

So I'm going to shut up now.

Exactly.

Let's hear it roll.

This hypnosis session took place in March of 1986.

And it was conducted by forensic hypnotist, Dr. Donald Klein, who Suzanne, at the time,

he was like the world's leading hypnotist.

So they chose right.

They definitely chose right.

This is a person who's not going to be asking leading questions had no preconceived notions

or connections to the UFO and alien abduction world, at least from the research I did.

So it's interesting.

Yeah.

I think the audience can focus sort of in a legal way on the question, how the questions

the fellow asks are framed.

Are they framed too, Whitley, in a way that suggests an answer?

Or are they generic, open, non-leading questions?

And so we'll go through all those together.

Right.

Now I will say this clip doesn't have many questions by the hypnotist, unfortunately.

But the whole 46-minute thing, yes, what Suzanne said, definitely keep in mind.

Look for those if they're leading questions and then make up your own mind.

If you think Whitley was being led, if you think he's, I don't know, I don't know.

But let's just listen.

Yeah.

Sound good?

Yeah.

Again, guys, trigger warning for anyone who might find these things a little troubling.

We will be playing the hypnosis session right now.

I understand that.

So, is there something that passed the window?

Or what the hell?

What's going to pass the window?

What's going to pass the window?

There's nothing there.

Oh, God.

And the house is...

Can you see it?

There's nothing.

There's nothing there.

No, it was a light.

It didn't go past the window.

Couldn't have gone past the window.

I'm going back to sleep.

I think the stove's okay.

It was a light in the front yard.

I keep thinking.

How the hell is that?

Is that somebody?

Is that somebody?

Is that somebody?

You know, I'm looking at this thing.

I don't think I like that.

I don't think I like that.

I like it.

And I realize just relax.

I'm going back.

I'm going to stay relaxed now.

I saw something that looked like it had a hood on it.

Standing over by the wall near the corner and I have deadroot.

And I don't want it to be there.

I don't want it to be there.

Die!

You think I'll be dead to me?

Die!

Get the fuck to do it to me!

Die!

Jesus!

Oh, shit!

I'm sorry.

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So upsetting.

And that was just the beginning, the being in the room.

That wasn't even the abduction.

Right.

What do you think?

What did you make of that?

I think those primal screams are so concerning.

My goodness, if he's acting, he's doing an excellent job.

And I can tell you from watching him in interviews

and my brief interaction with him,

he's such a quiet human.

You know, I don't know.

I think he's telling what happened to him.

Yeah.

And you know what's interesting, too?

You know, you could kind of sense his,

he had a little Southern twang or Southern accent.

Like he does with them.

Because I think he originally was from the South or something like that.

It did not look that up.

But it was almost like he was back

when he had not been New York a fight.

Why?

Because he would move to Manhattan.

You know, you can tell he kind of lost the accent.

Santa Claus Texas Ryan.

Boom.

There you go.

Yep.

So that's again, if he's acting,

if he's acting, that's like another layer he added on to it.

But I don't see acting.

I don't.

It seems so primal, like he said,

yeah, vulnerable like a child.

Right.

Right.

Well, I can tell you it's hard to listen to.

And it's hard to hear the emotion in there.

I wish we did have the question being asked on the front end.

That would be very helpful.

But we can all go listen to the full interview later.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Again, we'd be here for like three hours if we played all these full videos.

But yeah, we will find it guys or you know,

go on YouTube after this.

Don't do it right now.

Yeah.

More of this journey.

Exactly.

And times of Whitley streamer.

Just type in Whitley streamer hypnosis.

It's it's there.

I'll see if I can pull up a link and put it in the chat.

Perfect.

Thank you.

The chat would like to work right now YouTube.

I know it doesn't seem to be working.

I don't know what's going on.

Yeah, we'll hopefully figure that out at some point.

I say that.

But it's not going to happen this show.

The next thing I want to move to Susan is implants, you know,

a lot of the experiences in that interview mentioned implants Whitley

streamer did claim to have implants.

Specifically one, I believe behind his ear or in his ear.

Somewhere around the ear like that.

No, no, no, no.

So I don't feel it.

Right.

Yeah.

Put it in my left ass cheek.

There's enough meat and I don't even need to know.

Exactly.

Anywhere, but somewhere thin and painful like that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think shows not to have his removed.

He went, I think to lear, the doctor to the ear, wasn't it?

Well, who he goes to?

The doctor.

So this.

I don't have the doctor's name, but we're going to play the clip.

Okay.

Because it was videotaped.

The possible removal of his implant.

Oh, my God.

And if you guys know the story behind what happened during the removal,

it didn't go as planned.

And we'll explain that in this clip.

So should we just watch what happened when they tried to remove the implant

from Whitley streamer?

Let's do.

Okay.

Cool.

Give me one sec.

I'll find that.

We need a trigger warning for the medically faint of heart.

We should trigger warning here, guys.

This is a surgical procedure.

There will be some blood, I believe.

But, uh, yeah.

You don't see me.

I've passed out.

We'll see.

Whitley streamer.

What you're going to see today is two and a half or three minutes of a video

that was taken of the attempt to remove an implant from my left ear.

I remember and have described in my book confirmation exactly what happened

as this thing was placed in my ear by some human beings, some people.

Uh, in the middle of the night at my old cabin in upstate New York.

I've been very disturbed by it.

And the doctor attempted to remove it with some quite surprising results,

which you will see.

Very good.

Okay.

Let me go ahead and just make an incision around there.

There you go.

Does it got to be a lot of blood?

No.

I mean, should you put some little shoulders in there?

Just take care of your shirt.

Right now because he's in town.

No, it's not.

I'm concerned about the shirt.

Let her play.

No.

You can't be.

We have this, uh, number 10.

Such an extraordinary challenge.

On both of your professions.

Actually, we got a lot of letters from nurses.

I don't know if it's that they've got time on their hands with a night shift or what.

I'm real.

Where's my signature?

I mean, proportionally.

I just get many more letters from nurses.

And I keep meeting people who are running these cops.

There's not all of this to be nurses, I mean.

Oh, great.

Go on over there.

Yeah.

You can see it with glasses and glasses.

I'll be able to see this on the video.

I'll pass them in.

All right.

Okay.

What should we do then?

Ooh, look at that white thing.

See, it's a little less.

I guess it went under.

But that's the hard part, isn't it?

I'm going to disappear again.

It's actually moving now.

Well, he's poking it.

But it went under.

It's on the run.

What kind of risk?

Because I could see it just bright as day.

And now it's, uh, I don't see it.

Yeah.

See, this isn't a problem, by the way.

You should let the camera see this.

I don't know if you can see it.

Let's see.

Let's take a look and be sure.

Let's see.

Because one of the...

It's like a little tiny white disc.

But it doesn't look odd.

I mean, it doesn't look odd.

Well, they never do.

But the thing is, you brought your head.

It's such a time with one of them.

One or two of them that took in like an hour to catch them.

Because they would, they would do this.

What's that?

I'm going to sit here.

Just a minute.

I'm going to give a sense of closing it up now.

No, it doesn't seem a little persistent here.

There is nothing there.

I mean, I got, I got a loopy, so...

Here's some more on here.

We're just...

That's it.

I'm going to do it any more.

Okay.

Give me the hand.

After the doctor closed the wound, we had the fragments of the implant

that he had extracted, tested in the laboratory.

And the tests were not determinable.

We did not understand or find out what it was,

because there were insufficient number of fragments.

I elected to leave the object in my ear,

where it remains to this day,

because given the fact that it could move on its own the way it did,

I thought that maybe we were beyond our knowledge and abilities

in attempting to take it out.

Whoa.

No.

Chase it for an hour and give up.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

It was moving.

Yeah.

And I think it's so interesting,

because whatever these things are,

they're clearly the equivalent of a hypoallergenic or whatever you call that.

They're not prompting autoimmune reactions.

They're hard to catch.

They're, you know, tiny little things of import,

but I don't know what they are.

You know, guys, this is good as mine.

You know, a lot of these implants are often like,

they look like calcified sort of fatty tissue or something like that.

But with Whitley's, I believe,

when Dr. Roger Lear, like he had mentioned in that video,

looked at it, the thing was scooting all over the place.

Yeah.

And when they looked closer,

it looked like it had like circuitry to it.

Oh, yeah.

Which is crazy feeling that in your ear.

If we put ourselves in this position for a minute,

they would not like that.

No.

And, you know, he mentions like,

look, this thing clearly does not want to be removed.

Maybe I shouldn't remove it.

He might have saved himself.

Like, it's there for a reason.

It's not meant to be extracted,

at least by humans.

So I'm just going to leave it there.

Leave it where it is.

Yeah, yeah.

Interesting.

From provision for when he passes that someone gets it an exam,

does some medical work or, you know, investigating of it.

Oh, what a good idea.

I never would have even thought about that.

It's like,

it's like, you know, my mother was a kidney and pancreas transplant

that being done.

Their whole slogan was always,

don't take your organs to heaven.

Heaven knows we need in here.

Don't take your alien implants to heaven.

Let us see.

Yeah.

We gotta see that.

Let's work it out.

Yeah, yeah.

Crazy.

Crazy stuff.

Crazy stuff.

I can't believe there's video of a implant removal.

Yeah.

Went to Rye.

Crazy.

Crazy.

Yeah.

And then, you know, we said there at the end,

like the findings were indeterminate.

It was, it was anomalous kind of in a way.

Maybe I'm exaggerating, but that was interesting.

It's really.

Very.

Very.

Okay.

So kind of the next chapter for the Whitley Strieber slash

communion story is that it was eventually made into a movie.

It was.

Classic.

Who in the chat made the funny comment at the top of the show about

he Whitley ought to be holding a garage against Christopher Walken?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I did a whole episode of breakdown with my good friend Andrew

Sanford.

Somebody guys might know him.

He's been on the show in the past.

I hosted a wrestling podcast with him.

But we covered the communion movie.

And, you know, we watched it.

We reviewed it.

And then I kind of brought in the real story of Whitley Strieber to

compare it with the movie with Andrew.

And we showed a clip that we're going to show in a minute here of

this.

Dr.

First a four walk in on set, you know, and his interactions with

Whitley meeting meeting Whitley becoming Whitley Strieber.

And it's all very interesting.

So you will see Christopher Walker talk about that and these clips

and I when I had Whitley on somewhere in the sky is I asked him what

did you think of how you were portrayed by walking?

He's like, didn't care for it.

He made me.

He made me crazy.

He literally made me crazy.

Hit it.

And.

Oh, here it is.

I think it was Andrew Berger.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think there was even a point where Whitley went up to walk and was like, hey, you're playing

me a little over the top, little nuts.

And then walking said to him, well, if the shoe fits, so make of that what you will.

Oh my gosh.

As we say in the South, oh, no, he did not.

Someone needs a weapon.

Somebody needs a weapon.

Well, let's watch this next clip.

It's kind of like a mini documentary about the making of the movie with snippets of interviews

with Whitley, but he expands not only do they expand on the sun's experiences, they interview

the sun in this.

That's good because I do not know anything at all about the sun.

And so this is going to be fascinating to me.

Yep.

And Suzanne, the witnesses that were there when Whitley first got abducted.

Right.

Didn't they have people staying at the home for the holidays or something?

Yes.

It was the day after Christmas.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I think they get hypnotically regressed or something.

We'll see in the clip.

But yeah, this will be the next kind of lengthier video, but it's not that long.

I promise.

I promise.

I'll end the night with a retrospective video of Whitley, like just a couple of years ago,

talking about all of this, where he stands right now.

So let's play this making of the communion movie.

I found this fascinating.

Union is about much more than the beings.

It also profiles Whitley and his family fighting to keep their sanity under some pretty bizarre circumstances.

A common thread among abduction victims is that often the victims' child may also have had the same experience.

And in the streba household, this proved to be the case.

I was sleeping.

And suddenly these lights came, a big bright light came in my mom.

And sometimes my dad comes in to see how I'm doing in the middle of the night,

but he doesn't bring in the search light, so.

I'm sleeping.

And I get scared.

I think it's a burglar or something, so I pull the covers open my head and sink down.

And then the cover, and then something pulls it down.

I see the face that's on communion.

The cabin and its grounds, where most of these unusual events continue to take place,

were open for the encounters of the fourth kind film crew, with Mr. Streba serving as host.

When they come here, we often hear a sound immediately above the house that will come across into this area.

And myself and a number of other people have seen things hanging over this deck,

or hanging in a little clearing in the front yard, very small things,

but quite a lot of times hanging over the deck.

In December of 1985, when the visitors first took me, they carried me down through these woods,

which I remember very vividly, to a clearing.

Not too far from here, where I have since built a stone circle that I and the group of people

who have had experiences here go to meditate at night.

The strange occurrences outside the Streba cabin can only be compared to what happened inside.

But this is where I was sleeping on the night of December the 26th, 1985,

when the visitors came in from the door across the room.

And the next thing I knew, I was being literally carried out of a room in a state of paralysis.

When we return, we'll go behind the scenes for the making of the film communion,

with its star Christopher Walken.

I said to Whitney the other day that I had never had such an experience,

or really anything, including deja vu.

It's not something that happens to me.

And I said that I had never had anything like that.

And he looked at me very seriously and said, well, you're about to.

When the film version of Streba's bestselling book went before the cameras in June of 1988,

those involved with making the picture knew that this was to be more than a movie

about little green men from outer space.

Those other films were fantasies.

And Whitley is, this is a true story.

That's what makes this picture different.

It's a true story and it really examines the psychological side of what will happen to human beings

if and when they encounter intelligent nonhumans.

After more a convinced Streba that his story should be told on the big screen,

the two formed their own production company and set about finding the actors

who would play the two pivotal roles.

Selected to play Whitley was Academy Award winner Christopher Walken.

Walken, whose gritty work in the dear hunter, earned him an Oscar,

quickly adapted himself to stepping into the shoes of the famous writer.

The good thing for me here is that I like to work a lot

and I took a job and, you know, I hope for the best always.

But in this case, it turned out to be very inventive, which I'm grateful for.

And Whitley is responsible for that because he, you know, he was kind of like a good parent,

you know, let the bird fly.

Equally, that's an understatement, let number five.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, he's speaking pretty respectfully of him.

He is.

Thank goodness.

You know, yeah, yeah.

This is so interesting.

I've never seen such a behind the scenes of like filming.

They're literally showing like scenes being filmed.

That's so cool.

So interesting.

You don't get to see that very often.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Christopher Walken was saying like, I take it.

Hey, it's a job.

You know, I'll take any job.

This one's pretty inventive if I must say.

Of course, I always think of him on Saturday night live.

What we need is more a cowbell.

More cowbell.

More Whitley.

Chris says Christopher Walken was so fine.

Chris.

For sure.

For sure.

Good looking dude.

Look kind of looks like Bowie's got some makeup on there for sure.

Yeah.

I don't even know if that's what you meant by fine.

Yeah.

You might just mean he's a fine person or actor.

But of course, I went there.

But okay, let's continue with the makeup.

I still want a cowbell.

And more cowbell.

It's important to sort of Whitley.

It was the question as to who would play Ann Strieber.

Whitley's wife.

To fill this role, the director looked to actress Lindsay Krause,

an Academy Award nominee for her role in places of the heart.

And another interesting thing about Lindsay is that she was very proud to be playing a wife.

In other words, she was very keen on showing that there's a value in keeping the family together

and that even though it looked as if her husband was going completely off the rails

or the most cockamamae story she's ever heard being abducted by little green and blue men,

she still had faith in the marriage and in the family.

Like the rest of the book, Strieber insisted the recreation of the beams

be as close as possible to what he saw in real life.

Special effects, Wiz, Mike McCracken was assigned the task of creating the unusual beams.

Whitley had a series of illustrations developed.

And from this, we scaled up from those and saw that what we have is accurate

to within a half inch in terms of the height and the size.

The movements and so on are also very accurate as accurate as possible to deal with current technology.

The colors and so on are very, very close to what Whitley saw.

And none of these are, is there too much movement in terms of their face and so on?

On the blue people, there is a certain amount of movement.

They move in an odd way and that their face is kind of a,

Whitley says that there's kind of a gravity feeling.

They have kind of a grim quality at bottom.

And for those actors inside the costumes, it's sometimes proved a long day.

You know how high a hole high a hole? It's off to work, I go.

Boy.

Getting into the costumes was only the beginning of their problems.

Once in, they sometimes were required to stay in the outfits for a period of up to 12 hours.

This, coupled with working on a hot smoking set and trying to gracefully abduct Christopher Walken from his bed,

proved to be a real challenge for the little people.

Take after take were shot to allow Philippe and the editors a wide choice to use to convey this integral part of the film.

McCracken's work was still not done, however.

The most important visitor still had to be designed.

Because it would be impossible to fit a human into the skinny body of this being,

McCracken had to figure out a different way for the beings to move.

What we did then is go back to some of the original ways of making films,

which are actually seem to be low tech that are very appropriate for the circumstance,

which namely just wires, flying them with wires.

It creates problems filmically in terms of hiding the wires and so on,

but for this, because of the, because it was very carefully controlled and so on,

it just worked, worked great.

And so what did Mr. Strieber think of Mr. McCracken's final creations?

When he saw the communion figure for the first time and saw it moving,

it was like his suddenly his face just went white, he had a shock look on his face.

And it took him, I sense it, it took him like the rest of the day to recover from this.

There was kind of, there was a kind of trauma even in seeing the reproduction of the figure.

Strieber believes there might be more to the beings face than what appears to the naked eye.

A possibility that is explored with some thought-provoking scenes in the film.

Ultimately though, communion, the film, is more than just a look at the uninvited guests visiting the Strieber household.

So the film is very much about a family under pressure and how the family sticks together

under the stress of these incredible events.

So the story is about a family and that's dramatized, that's come up very well.

It's not a special effects picture, it's much more a picture about human emotions

and it's really a psychological thriller about someone who thinks they're going crazy.

It was wonderful because we woke up upstairs and we heard them all talking.

And when we came down they'd been talking for hours.

It was just magical, it was like coming in right after a miracle.

This is the couch where a reporter was sleeping last May, May of 1988.

When the visitors came into this room, there were two other people in the room at the same time.

They were all simultaneously awakened by the ruckus in the noise.

As my son says, the visitors of noise even they are around here, they certainly don't creep around.

They couldn't move these people and they all had various experiences with the visitors right here in this room.

Joining the Strieber family that May was a host of friends including Raven Dana, Dora Ruffner and Colleen Langley.

Also invited along with several reporters.

Okay, these are the people from the from the late show.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

This reminds me so much of when I do remember in my book, my chapter, my weekend in the woods with the UFO abductees.

This is that.

Here we go.

Get a group of UFO abductees into a cabin in the middle of the woods and something's going to happen.

I did the same thing.

I went to my Klellen's house, the owl guy in the UFO room.

Yes.

Yeah.

And I spent a whole weekend with a bunch of alien abductees there and someone crazy happened.

You want to know what?

Read my book.

Yes, exactly right.

And you do not want to be abducted.

No.

No, no, no, no, no.

I don't think I was.

Good.

I don't know.

Good.

All right, let's continue here.

Including newspaper reporter Ed Conroy.

And the reporter will call Mark who chose not to talk to us about his experiences.

If people knew what Mark had experienced here that it was this person, his career would be ruined.

And you've got a guy's career on the line.

He can't show up here and we go public.

I think it's a crying shame that he can't because he had a beautiful, beautiful thing happen to him.

But others were willing to talk.

The fellow who had been sleeping that was like a fold-out couch and I was on a cot next to him.

He set up very abruptly and he said, did you see that or did you hear that?

And at that moment this field broke and I could move up until that time.

I was just totally paralyzed.

But I could move and I said to him, yes, I heard the voices.

What he described was of also waking up hearing that garbled voice and footsteps as though something was approaching the foot of his bed.

And then he experienced paralysis.

He couldn't move.

He was fully conscious and he was very annoyed because he had wanted validation.

He had asked for validation and here it was but he couldn't see them.

To determine if there was more to the story than what the witnesses could consciously remember,

Hypnotist Fred Max, who had taken Betty Andreas and through her hypnotic regressions,

was called upon to hypnotize the cabin visitors of May 1988.

I do regressions.

I see people who have had UFO encounters.

People who wish to remember events previous in their life.

And for these people we call back that period of time because everything we've done is still in our head.

And as a matter of guiding that person back to that point in time.

As the regressions began, it was evident that more had happened that night in May than was previously thought.

Tell me what you're feeling.

Fear.

Why?

Because something stands behind me and doesn't want me to move.

Are you seeing anything else?

Seeing the stone circle.

Okay.

And what is that?

Stone circle is a little stone hedge behind the cabin.

I feel a lot of fear and I also feel this light.

It was a feeling, it was incredible.

Relax more.

What do you say we've been through?

Just relax.

Would you have distanced yourself from that feeling?

Would you?

They feel they have been abducted.

They may have been abducted.

I'm reasonably comfortable than not fabricating stories.

And the similarities are intriguing.

Something unusual happened at the streamer cabin that night.

But what was revealed in the regressive sessions appeared to be only the tip of the iceberg.

So the production crew of encounters of the fourth kind waited with cameras in hand to try and capture the elusive visitors on tape.

When the sun rose the following morning, the encounters TV crew was disappointed to find nothing but black darkness on the videotape that ran throughout the entire night while they slept.

The beings were nowhere to be seen.

Or were they?

A very small, well, maybe four feet high being with very round, very dark eyes came through the window.

And the most interesting thing was that there was no real fear, just at first a jolt of shock,

but I felt in tremendous rapport with the being who raised his hand, his right hand.

And I felt the weight lift just slightly from my body.

I kind of propped myself up on my arm and I also lifted my hand and we touched palms.

It's no secret that something happened in here last night.

But you have no physical validation.

All you have is a roll of film.

It's totally black with a few funny noises on it.

Big deep.

So what am I to say?

Except that you personally, as a human being, know something happened, but you can't validate it.

Interesting.

When she said that something was in the window, two stories up in the cabin, that reminds me of my night.