Who decides when you're too old to drive?

In June of last year, Angela Zudrow got the phone call that every parent dreads.

It was from her husband, John.

He just said, that meant it's been hit by a car.

First Zudrow didn't really grasp what was happening.

The family lives in Green Lake, a small postcard-ready resort town in Wisconsin, where kids ride their

bikes all the time without a second thought.

He called back and he said, you need to get here.

And I was like, um, really?

OK, is it bad?

He said, yeah, yeah, it's bad.

I said, is he breathing?

And John said, I don't want to lie to you.

12-year-old Emmett Zudrow was riding his bike on the sidewalk near the public library,

one of his favorite places.

When he was accidentally run over by a minivan, driven by Jean Wolley.

Wolley was 85 at the time.

She told police in Green Lake that she had confused the break and the gas pedals.

As you can hear in this bodycam footage of her statement released to NPR.

I was just pulling him to this parking place and I took the brake on and I was seeing him.

OK, and then I panicked and pushed it.

Wolley's lawyer called the crash a tragic accident, but declined to comment further citing potential litigation.

Wolley wasn't charged with a crime, though she did receive multiple citations and fines.

There's no single national standard when it comes to older adults in driving.

In a lot of states, there are no aged-based testing requirements to stay on the road.

In Wisconsin, older drivers can go eight years without having to renew their license.

Angela Zudrow is pushing to change that.

We're letting them just renew their driver's licenses without any checks on them.

If you say you're fine, we will leave you're fine.

That needs to change.

Consider this.

Americans are keeping their driver's licenses longer than ever.

Who should determine when it is time to give up the keys?

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And if it feels like you're seeing more older drivers behind the wheel,

it's not your imagination.

Americans are keeping their driver's licenses longer than ever.

So how long is too long and who decides?

NPR's Joel Rose has been looking into that question and joins us now, hi, Joel.

Hey Scott. So let's start with the basic question,

what are the laws when it comes to older drivers?

We mentioned that it's no national standard,

but walk me through what some of the state laws look like.

It's really a patchwork.

There was a big push to tighten the rules around

relicencing starting about 20 years ago.

Some states made it easier for relatives,

police, and doctors to report potentially unsafe drivers,

and some added mandatory vision testing or more frequent visits

to the DMV to renew licenses in person.

But many states still don't require any of that.

And lately, some states have even been moving to dial back some of their requirements.

You spoke to the Zudra family who we heard from a few minutes ago.

After losing their son, their position is that there has to be some sort of mechanism here

to cut off drivers whose abilities have been impaired with age.

Curious how common is that one of you?

Yeah, they want to see tougher relicencing standards and more accountability

for older drivers who are involved in crashes.

And there are many safety advocates who would agree with that.

You know, we get our driver's licenses when we're very young in many cases.

And then we often just keep them without ever having to pass another test.

Some older adults do give up driving voluntarily,

but many are reluctant because they depend on driving to get around.

So it can be really difficult to find this balance between safety and mobility.

You also talk to older drivers and you talk to people who advocate for them.

Walk me through their argument for this.

They say the right to drive should be based on ability, not age.

I talked to a lawmaker in Illinois named Jeff Kiker.

He is a Republican state representative there.

Illinois, by the way, has some of if not the strictest relicencing rules in the country.

It's the only state that requires older drivers to take a behind the wheel test in their 70s.

Kiker is a co-sponsor of a new law that will loosen that restriction there starting this summer.

Seniors should not be subjected to additional licensing requirements just because they had a birthday.

It's an ageist policy and it needs to be thrown out.

And the reality is that in many parts of the US, older adults do not have good alternatives to driving.

This is especially true right in rural areas where public transit and ride sharing are not viable for most people.

But even in a lot of suburban America, giving up your license means losing a huge amount of independence.

I think a lot of us can probably think about personal anecdotes in their life when it comes to older drivers that they knew I know that I can.

But what does the big picture data say?

Like, is do we have a sense our older drivers more dangerous?

It's complicated.

If you look at crash rates for older drivers, they have generally been falling for the last 25 years.

I talked about this with Ann Dickerson.

She is a professor of occupational therapy and an expert on older drivers at East Carolina University.

And Dickerson says it's hard to put an exact age on when older drivers should have to face additional testing to renew their licenses

because Americans are just living longer and aging better than ever before.

The research has shown people between 70 and 79 are actually pretty safe.

They have really come down from crashes.

Now, part of it's decreased risk because they're not going to work every day.

They're self-restrict.

But if you compare older drivers to everyone else on the road, you get a different picture.

Younger drivers are the most risky by far.

Teenagers, even people in their 20s, those are the riskiest drivers.

Drivers from 30 to 80 are the safest.

But when you get to 80 and above, those crash rates do start to climb again.

You mentioned before that some states have actually loosened, not tightened their restrictions.

How is that gone?

There really is not a ton of evidence either way.

But there is one study that came out last year from the University of Iowa College of Public Health.

I talked to the lead author, Cara Hammond.

And she wondered how those changes were affecting road safety.

So she looked at some data and what she found troubled her.

We are seeing increases in injury rates and crash rates with some of these policies

loosening.

Maybe not across all age groups.

But among the ages that probably were most worried about, among the older drivers, that's

what we found.

Hammond's research looked at two decades of data from 13 states, more than 19 million

drivers who were involved in crashes.

Seven of those states loosened their re-licensing policies during that time.

And in those states, the study found an increase in crash rates among drivers between 65 and

74.

Now, I should also add, Hammond is very sympathetic to older adults who do not have good alternatives

to driving.

She says we really need to think of better ways for them to get around and not just about

taking away their mobility.

At the same time as we're talking about all of this, transportation and technology are

changing so quickly.

We are seeing this push toward self-driving cars as a commonplace reality.

Curious what you think that could change about all of this for older drivers?

In some ways, changing technology in our cars is already making a difference.

There are more older drivers on the road.

They're driving more miles.

And yet, we are seeing crash rates decline.

In part, that could be because of the safety features in our cars that are getting better.

And that might be helping older drivers to compensate for some of the loss of vision

and reaction time that are inevitable with age.

And it's possible that we could see that accelerate if self-driving cars do become a

bigger part of our lives.

So far, we've been talking about public policy and laws, but I think we all know that when

it comes to older drivers, a lot of the times this just comes down to a family conversation

and it could be a really hard and really tense family conversation.

I know you talk to people who have had those conversations, what did you find?

Yeah, we did an online call out asking our audience for their experiences.

And we got a lot of responses from a lot of adult children who told us it often falls

to them to decide when it is time to take the car keys away from an aging parent.

And that's how I met Jacqueline Hamilton.

He's my dad.

He taught me how to take care of my cars.

So doing this was very hard.

Hamilton agreed to share her family's story.

So we all sat down in her living room, West St. Paul, Minnesota.

Hamilton says she talked to her father, James Stubbs, who is 94.

She tried to convince him that it was time to stop driving, but that did not work.

Tell me one day if I made a mistake in driving.

I listed them, dad.

Hamilton was so concerned that she filed the paperwork to formally request a driver's

exam for her father.

And that meant he would have to pass some tests, including a cognitive test to keep his license.

And it did not go well.

He can't understand directions.

He couldn't remember the day, year, the day of the week were all wrong.

Do you remember this test?

Remember taking the test?

Oh, yeah.

I remember the test.

You try.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Come on.

Anyone you can try.

I said, this is ridiculous.

The state officially revoked Stubbs' driver's license, but he still had the physical plastic

card, which did not look like it had expired, and he did not want to surrender the keys.

Hamilton wasn't sure what to do until an opportunity presented itself a few months ago, while her

father was in the hospital and her mother was visiting.

And I happened to look in her purse, and I saw both sets of keys.

That was a pivotal moment.

I could take the keys, or I could not take the keys.

The hard part was, if I didn't take the keys, then anything that would happen after

that point would be my fault.

If they got into a car accident, it wouldn't be blood on their hands.

It would be blood on mine.

That was four months ago.

Hamilton says her dad is still mad at her.

But also, she says she would do it all again.

I guess not mad enough that they couldn't be in the same room talking about it, though.

You know, there's definitely still love there.

It's pretty clear when you're in the room with them.

Yeah.

But it's also clear that he's still pretty angry.

Fair.

One thing I wanted to ask about was that you reported that a lot of adult children

took this step.

They got to a place where their parents had to pass these tests to keep her regain their

licenses.

And a lot of them passed.

And I'm curious, what do you think that says about what the policies are and whether

any of this is actually meaningful?

I mean, that's a great question.

I think this can be a very emotionally charged issue for all of the reasons that we've

been talking about.

And there are some doctors and police officers and DMV workers who will make it their business

to get involved and to say, look, it is time to stop driving.

But I'm sure there are many others who think that is not their place, that this is a question

for the family to answer.

And those family members may have a clearer sense, you know, of what is really going

on behind the wheel for better or worse.

Joel, one other thing I was wondering about.

You have an incredibly busy beat transportation.

We are talking at the end of the week where there was another fatal plane crash on a runway

and almost every airport in America has hours long security lines because the TSA funding

right now, just as one example of things are covering, why to you was this an important

story to take the time and report out?

Because for all the attention that we pay to aviation, it is the safest form of travel.

And getting in our cars, the statistics bear this out.

It is one of the most dangerous things we do on a daily basis.

And this is not a sexy topic necessarily, but it is one that I feel like a lot of families

are grappling with kind of quietly and out of sight.

And once we did the call out and the story started coming in, that made it feel important

to push through and to get it on the air.

That is NPR Transportation reporter Joel Rose.

Thanks so much for your reporting.

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