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It's March 23rd, 20th, 26th, I'm at Joel Perl, the Joel Perl.com, I'm Blue Sky and it's

time to get in the weeds.

It's a marvelous Monday, it's overcast in the city of Toronto, we might get some snow,

but it ain't gonna stay.

Spring is here, but not today.

Jeremy Lambert is here, he's ready, how you doing, pal?

Hi, I'm fine, I didn't watch any wrestling this week, so I know what we're going to talk

about.

Me neither, I'm screwed, brother.

What are we going to do?

Do you want to talk about Cody Rhodes's $10,000 tour bus?

Tour is back.

Do we just play the clip from last year?

I feel like we can just do that, yes.

Nobody gave Steven Jensen enough money to fly to Vegas and do the bus tour last year,

so I guess we have less than a month of leeway, but if someone has $10,500, then we could

do it.

Steven Jensen could fly in, do the bus tour, fly out, and then tell us about the experience

on the show.

Yeah.

I feel like that's what we could do.

Well, that's our show today, I hope everyone enjoyed it.

This was not a wrestling weekend, there wasn't much going on.

I love the wife just brought me coffee, so I didn't think it was the cat, unless the cat

suddenly grew opposable thumbs.

Maybe the cat's kind of dumb, but the cat is going to say, helpful, that's not sure

either.

The cat exists, you know, it doesn't exist, allegedly.

I mean, there are plenty of photos of the cat trying to help you and not work.

Yeah, it hasn't been my work, buddy, for the past couple of days, I don't know, she's

getting tired of hanging out with me, or I've been watching a lot of March Madness, maybe

she gets tired of watching the March Madness.

We talked about March Madness, this is great games going on there, but Joel doesn't know

ball.

So I just don't watch basketball, it's a different swing, not knowing, and not caring.

Yeah, you also don't know ball, how about, I don't know how much we're going to go there.

What?

I don't know, man.

So I don't know how much we're going to talk about there with basketball, both in great

games over over the weekend, Iowa and Florida, yesterday was really fun, Florida, a one-seed

lost.

So sorry, if you're your bracket has been busted and all for that, since they went down

in the, in the first, or first weekend, I should say, not the first round, they went down

in the first weekend, there's a game on Friday morning that it was like the first game

on Friday, that was, it was really, really good, Kentucky, Kentucky and Santa Clara.

That was a fantastic game, Friday's games weren't like super great, but that first game

on Friday, Kentucky and Santa Clara was really, really good.

I don't feel like there were any too many great games on Saturday, that one felt like

it was kind of blow out heavy, and then yesterday started, like it was going on Nebraska

and Vanderbilt actually.

That was all in Nebraska and Vanderbilt, now that was actually a really good game, because

that was the game before collision came on, and Vanderbilt had the half court three that

I can't believe that shot didn't go down, that was, that was a great shot by that kid,

and unfortunately missed it, but yeah, that was a really good game on Saturday, I don't

think there's anything else too strong on Saturday, and then Sunday, as I mentioned,

I won Florida, was, was really good, so it was a, I think this is one of the best weekend

in sports, because you just get four days of good basketball, that becomes exciting

basketball, because all these kids, they're just playing their hearts out, and but they're

not like the most skilled in the world, because they're college kids, but it just, it's madness

for a reason, so it was a fun weekend.

What's the majesty you've ever been?

Maddest, I've been, yeah, talk about madness here, from what, just in general, it's in general

madness.

Oh, so you already know the answer to this, this is something where like my team lost,

and so I was mad about that, I don't know if there's something in your past where you

remember being more angry than that, it was because my team lost and my personal life

sucks, so it was a combination of, of both of those things, I can get over my personal

life being bad, which, you know, it hasn't been bad for years now, I can get over that

if my team is winning, you throw in like my team losing on top of that stuff, not being

good, I'm terrible, I've had a lot of long talks with Sam or just late night talks of

just, everything's falling apart.

I love this, this is a missed opportunity for me, they should have had a triangle of

March Madness, every single episode that is preempted by the March Madness tournament,

there should be some sort of full triangle of madness integration, not just one and

then a tag team match, or they should all be together on screen doing something, the

triangle of March Madness, oh, oh, man, I'm not opposed to that, I think that'd be funny.

I mean, that was been on television, she did a promo on Saturday, Julia, our sisters

are saying both of them wrestled this weekend, they lost, but that's why I also added to

the point, they need to be all three together, yeah, yeah, otherwise you're just, you know,

profiling three people in different times, I need the triangle to be the triangle together.

Yeah, that's fair, I like that, they should break down the tournament.

That would be great, they should have done all they should have been doing a bracket

and everything.

You should have done that.

I want to see that club break down like the tournament, because I'm not sure, but maybe

I'm stereotyping her here, but I don't know if she like watches any basketball, she's

done a bunch of interviews, somebody should ask her this, but yeah, I don't know if she

watches any basketball, Sky Blues from Chicago, so maybe, I know she's seen a little bit

about, although she grew up not in like a Jordan era, so it wouldn't like hit her as hard.

Totally a heart, I don't know, I could go either way, and that club, I didn't feel like

she, she's seen a ton of basketball in her life, and then she has, I apologize, I don't,

I'm wrong there, but yeah, I want to see her like do a tournament bracket, I think it'd

be very fun.

This is, this is why Tony needs to join the show, by the way.

All right, so here, I'm going to tell this story, I don't care at this point, so as everyone

knows, smack down, I'm going to be you don't know, and I'm telling you this for the first

time.

Smackdown.

What?

Yeah, I don't know if everyone watched Smackdown.

Yeah, Smackdown ended in a DQ, it was the, what, the women's title match between the

Bella's, when it's tag title, match between the Bella's and the irresistible forces, and

in a DQ, and as people know my rule, I'm not going to talk about your show, I'm not going

to review your show, if your main event ends in a DQ, because I feel like you have wasted

my time, and I'm not going to give your show any type of publicity, whatever publicity

you get out of this stupid show, which is none, but so I tweeted, well, I'll send my exact

tweet here, I don't want to, you know, put words in my own mouth out here, but after, after

Smackdown ended, I tweeted much this weekend, so it's actually very easy to, to find.

After Smackdown ended on Saturday, I said, DQ, in Smackdown main event, no major shows

this weekend, Joel doesn't watch New Japan, so again, he's talking about the New Japan

Cup and Halloween, winning that.

Look good.

What the H am I going to talk about on Monday?

I'm trying not to curse at all this week, okay?

No cursing this week.

This week.

This whole week.

All right.

Good luck to you.

Because the childrens are on the spring break, and they might be watching, and I got

to set a good example for the kids.

I hope Bra is so unbearable and does not end in the DQ, so that you and SB3 have to find

a way not to be upset about it tomorrow.

That's fine.

I won't curse.

I won't curse.

Well, my lovely wife isn't for me, they're not watching.

Well, they, they, you never know.

So we're not going to curse this week.

It lives on the internet forever, so you have to make sure that this stands.

Cursing would be, you know, who cares?

They hear their siblings curse all the time, so you know, because you know, the age ranges

are 50 to 5 between the 30 of them that we have.

So I feel like some of those ages are teetering into you could be a grandfather territory,

but we're.

Yeah, it's fine.

Yeah, it's, yeah, it's okay.

So I sent this tweet out, yeah, no cursing everybody, no cursing this whole week.

I'm sure I'll break that rule, but we're going to try here.

I sent this tweet out on Friday, my wife was like, did you just say 50?

Yes, that's the age range of the kids, baby.

I don't know what that makes us, but it's fine.

I sent this tweet out on Friday, right?

I sent this tweet out at, I'm going to give time stamps on this thing.

How about that?

Good stuff.

Let's do that.

I sent this tweet out at 1045 after the SmackDown DQ, which means it was, it was before the

final segment, a certain elite owner messaged me and said lots of slam dunk collision and

this coming Wednesday night's Dynamite on the show Monday.

And I said, you should join the show on Monday, $6.9 billion.

I'm going to, I'm going to send in this link right now and I'm going to say come talk

about this Wednesday's Dynamite and slam dunk collision.

We're going to see how that goes for me.

We're going to, we're just sending the link right now, it's like, we're doing it.

I am.

There you go.

I'm going to send it to him right now.

Come join us and talk, slam dunk collision, I got to butter him up and say great shows

by the way.

They were fun.

I mean, they were good wrestling shows, they were good for them, you know, I got my feelings

about Leo Rush in his situation.

Oh boy, yeah, we can talk about that.

Come join us and talk, slam dunk collision, great shows by the way and Dynamite looking

like a great show.

And also today's thumbnail, because of all the lack of wrestling to talk about, we are

doing a deep dive into the who done it of Tony.

Oh, okay.

We're going to analyze the picture and we're going to, we're going to take note of all

the things and who they all relate to.

How bored are we today?

Well, we got two hours to fill in three hours of Smackdown, not to talk about it.

So there you go.

And there was a lot that happened on Smackdown, but, you know, you can talk about it.

No one's preventing you from talking about it.

I wanted to talk solo to the wall.

I'd watch TNA on a Thursday, okay, I already do that.

And I have to do that all by myself until May 15, I found out that's the next live edition

of Impact, where I get, where I get back solo until then.

I don't even know if I'm doing the rebellion post show because it's, I'll be in Vancouver.

So I don't even know if I'm going to watch it on Saturday night and then do a post show.

So you've got to counterproductive.

Is your belly in the one I'm supposed to go to?

Head us to the one in Cleveland.

I like to enjoy Edward Edwards versus Mike Santana for the world time.

I'm like, oh, it's.

And you're saying Joel doesn't want to talk about Smackdown either.

There's like three things from Smackdown that I would want to talk about and not for

any serious reason.

I want to talk about, you know, Mark Ass, Indy Nerd, Matt Cardona.

Hey, okay, I don't want to break my rule a little bit.

Randy Orton's delivery on that kills me.

It's so good.

It's like he, he, he is like firing up as he is speaking.

It's like he gets stuck.

It's like, Mark Ass stooge Indy Nerd.

It's so good.

That alone.

And I was at that one, I was like walking out of the room, listening on my headphones.

And I was like, what did he say?

And I ran back and replayed it.

It was so good.

That stuff.

That's what I'll talk about.

The rest of it is like, why is Jelly Roll doing three soliloquies, what are we doing

with this?

That's, you know, that stuff I don't care about.

Yeah.

Just that particular segment.

The best.

The best.

I feel for Cardona, but also you got kicked in the dick later.

So everyone's okay, except for Matt Cardona's dick.

It seems like a Matt Cardona's dick problem, not me.

Anyway, so there you go.

That's, that's me talking about it.

Okay, seeing very recently, we came a huge Randy Orton fan.

That's a problem going into WrestleMania because they don't want you to feel that way about

him.

Oh, here we are.

Well, someone, someone earlier, I think was asking us about the Chapel Rone stuff from

the weekend.

Oh, yeah.

Doesn't she beat up kids or bodyguard beats of kids?

Bodyguard, I think, up someone from, so Chapel released a statement and wrote some of

the story on Instagram.

It's funny that like a statement is an Instagram story because God forbid it goes through a PR

company.

I mean, does it just disseminated differently than back in the day?

Anyway.

I've seen the recent backlash that I've been receiving a lot of messages about the situation

and I have been receiving a lot of messages about the situation.

I want to start by saying that I have always been very clear about my boundaries.

When I'm on stage performing in drag and a work event, doing press, I'm working and outside

of that, I'm not in work mode.

I'm a person and I'm allowed to exist privately.

I just woke up.

I deserve my space, especially in moments like breakfast.

I don't play about my breakfast.

That is a line that I hope people live for because that is perfect.

And then she says, this doesn't take away my gratitude and love I have for my supporters.

I appreciate the people who respect boundaries and understand that admiration does not equal

access.

Respectfully, please understand that boundaries are not personal.

They are necessary.

So two things.

One, absolutely 100% she's right.

Number two, I don't play about my breakfast either.

So I fully endorse and understand Chapel Rowan's feeling about what happened.

A kid got too close and we've seen too many times people using their kids as reasons

to access celebrities and others.

We've seen it in wrestling, we've seen it in media, we see it all the time, we do, and

it sucks.

Can't do that.

And if Jade doesn't say, I don't play about my breakfast or my title next week, game

over.

We're giving it up.

I mean, I get where she's coming from.

I don't know if this is parents were like using this kid.

I feel like the kid was probably a big Chapel Rowan fan and she's like, get out of here

because I don't play about my breakfast.

It's a fine line with this stuff, right?

Because there are too many fans who are crazy and who are stupid and who do cross those

boundaries and, you know, and then there are kids.

Oh, the kid's father was apparently Jude Ball.

This kid is probably just a Chapel Rowan fan.

Like this kid isn't trying to be like, why doesn't Jude Law know better?

The kid was just probably saw a Chapel Rowan and was like, oh shoot, let me go say hi

to Chapel Rowan and then the bodyguards puntin' him in the face.

Why isn't the dad be like, no, no, no, no, come on.

I don't know if Jude Ball was there.

Like Jude should have been there.

Then why aren't you bringing him?

She's with the stepdad.

She's with the stepdad.

Apparently the stepdad is some famous soccer player.

Oh, that's even worse.

The stepdad who is also in the public eye should know better.

And they were just going through.

My wife is very up on this, I'm not.

But she was just going through the hotel.

It doesn't sound like, at least according to them, like they were like sitting down and

having their breakfast.

I guess they were on their way to breakfast, but I don't know.

Yes, I like the Chapel Rowan.

She makes some good music, but this one, a little rough, might be a little rough here.

No, she'll play with her breakfast.

Come on, let her have her time.

Everyone deserves to have their time.

If she's just walking through the hotel though and like the kid just wants to come up

and like take a picture or whatever, I don't know.

I'm just like, she doing.

Maybe she's sitting at the hotel trying to enjoy a meal in private.

I just said that she's walking through the hotel.

Chapel Rowan is.

Chapel Rowan, well, you can pronounce pal.

There is no part.

What do you mean pronouns?

What was the kid also a girl or a boy?

We don't know this, do we?

The kid was a, I don't know, I assume it was, it was a boy, I think, but or a girl,

sorry, as a girl, but I said Chapel Rowan.

And then he said she was walking through it regardless.

Doesn't matter.

Is the point to all this is that Chapel Rowan deserves to enjoy her breakfast.

The kid and the father should have been like, nah, nah, leave her alone.

The story is the, all the kid did was wave and then got punted in the face and dragged

out back by Chapel Rowan's security.

Yeah, why is Chapel Rowan employing bully ray?

The kid was walking by or the kid was waving and smiling while walking by and the security

guard got sent over.

It sounds like this, they just didn't like this kid's face.

I believe that there is some truth in the middle of this.

I don't believe that.

Well, sure.

It's a bullshit.

It's a bullshit.

Sure.

But if that's the true, like, that seems kind of harsh there.

They should have, uh, listen, maybe Chapel Rowan should have beaten up a kid herself.

That wouldn't have gone well.

Well, it sounds like a Chapel Rowan problem at that point.

Oh, sure.

Yeah, Chapel Rowan should have went up to the kid and called them a more gas-stugin and

indie nerd.

And we would have been, we would have been feeling a lot better about this whole situation.

It doesn't seem like great on the Chapel Rowan here.

Like, if the kid was just smiling and waving, come on.

There is a middle.

That's the whole point.

One side is very extremely saying one thing and the other side is saying very extremely-

I don't know.

The other side is saying anything.

I mean, the other, I guess the other side is saying, respect my bad.

I don't play about my breakfast.

But the Chapel Rowan didn't like say what like fully happened.

It was just respect my boundaries.

I don't play about my breakfast.

Like it doesn't say like the kid approached me like wanting an autograph.

And I, you know, was very clear.

I wasn't going to do that at this time.

It's just respect my boundaries.

Don't play.

I don't play about my breakfast.

Like anybody can say that.

I'm very curious as to what this breakfast was that she was so like wanting this breakfast.

I mean, if it was at a hotel, probably not like green.

Yeah, if it's a good hotel, then it's going to be a good breakfast.

I've had good breakfast at good hotels.

Okay.

Not always, you know, it's not always runny eggs and, you know, garbage.

Sometimes the eggs are real.

Sometimes the pancakes are fresh.

Sometimes the muffins are legitimate.

Waffles?

What if they were waffles?

What if she was like, I was making an egg waffle and bacon, she had vegetarian.

She strikes me as a vegetarian.

But regardless, whatever she's eating, it's good enough that she was all about it.

A Brazilian breakfast, whatever that would consist of, probably lots of different meats.

So I guess the vegetarianism is out the window.

I would have been all over that too.

I wouldn't play about that breakfast either.

And I also would love to know Tony Khan's thoughts on breakfast.

Well, you can't eat eggs in the afternoon because that makes you gay.

So don't do that.

Oh, shit.

That must mean I'm very gay.

Did you love breakfast any time?

Yeah, we need, you know what?

This is the perfect opportunity for for a Muslim and Malcolm to ask Chappell Roan.

About her waffle.

That's the crossover that we need.

It's probably going to have security punch him as well.

That's fine.

He can punch back.

Have you seen this guy?

He's stalking.

Yeah.

I'm just people he could take you out.

Yeah.

I mean, Malcolm's a big dude.

He's a strong dude.

Yeah.

He's not a Muslim for, you know, no reason.

That's true.

Out here.

So.

I like Ryan's idea.

Maybe it was big old lights.

Yeah.

Pizza in the morning.

You can, you can do that.

Yeah.

It's not just for summertime.

Yeah.

Oh, man.

I don't know.

What's your favorite Chappell Roan song, Joel?

Pink Pony Club.

I knew.

Yeah.

That's correct.

I think it's, I think it's on my kids playlist somewhere.

That's a song.

Like that's not a kid song.

Or neither of most of the K-pop demonunter soundtrack.

But here I am having to put those on a card for a kid.

We're gonna do it.

At least I'm gonna figure it out.

Louie saying he looks like he has three kinds of white monster for breakfast.

No, you man, Tony joins the show this morning.

We're gonna ask him about his breakfast.

Does he play about his breakfast?

We'll see.

He's not going to join this.

No.

He ain't got this early.

Come on.

No, he's not that he's not up this early. He's a hundred percent up this early. That's not the issue. That man doesn't sleep.

That's where he's just doing better shit than this.

Yeah, although the fun, it would be the funniest jump scare we did.

Oh, man. Is today the anniversary of the WCW acquisition?

Sure. I don't know. I'm pretty sure. Oh my god, maybe it is.

I feel like that was March 23rd, 2001. Here we are.

It's been 25 years. The worst day in sports and entertainment history.

26 years. Oh, 25 years. This is 2020.

Can you count? No, not at all. What do you have to show us?

All right, I'm just checking.

We've been through this. I'm not a mathematician.

25 years since the acquisition of WCW by WWF, we're quote pennies on the dollar.

We're paid panties on the dollar pennies on the dollar.

I know the penny. The penny has not been in the US circulation,

but we haven't had it longer in the circulation.

What a wild weekend. That was as grace. Why was it?

What if they did panties on the dollar?

Oh, then I guess the man would still be booking those kinds of matches.

I like you. Yeah, there you go. Ryan knows. I don't play about my WCW.

Fair. WCW rolled.

Shout out to the family and rest in peace to Dennis Condrie. Midnight Express.

Pass away this weekend. You want to talk about WCW and the NWA and Mid-South and

the history of professional wrestling and one of the best tag teams ever, which he was a part of.

Yeah, passed away this weekend. And sad news. It was early 70s.

And Dax Harwood did post a GoFundMe with the consent of, I think it was his wife,

he said he spoke about putting together a GoFundMe to cover funeral expenses.

If you have the ability and you want to donate, you can do that.

It's I believe it's pinned to Dax's Twitter pages and it's going around.

I know that we probably have posted the GoFundMe at one point in our

fightful on our new site. So go check that out if you're interested.

And yeah, we send our love to one of one of tag team wrestling's greatest performers.

Yeah, that news came out like Saturday night, Friday night.

It was very late, unfortunately.

Yeah, Dennis Condrie, Midnight.

Influence a lot of what you see in tag team wrestling, at least throughout the years.

And nowadays, the style has changed so much, but obviously like FTR is still very true to

that style of wrestling and likes to always make sure to pay tribute to that style of Southern tag team wrestling.

But go back and watch when wrestling was actually kind of Dennis Condrie was doing it.

This is one of those times where I know a lot of people don't care to listen to Jim Cornett's

opinions on. Yeah, but this is even opinion. He's going to have stories and stuff.

This is going to be a very different Jim when he does record about his friend.

And that's one of the things that I am, I don't want to say looking forward to because that's

kind of sounds macabre, but I think people know what I mean when I say it.

It will be very tasteful. It will be a lot of stories.

Eologizing his friend is probably a good way to put it, but that's one time where I'm looking

forward to seeing what Jim Cornett will say about his friend and the life that they had together.

Because man, they had several years doing this thing.

Yeah, years and decades almost.

Yeah, actually, probably looking close to 1970s. Yeah, we're up there, baby.

I'm going to be saying no cursing, but can you give us a tease?

I'm not using the letter that comes before the FT's.

The solo and the seco is tease.

Yes. Big, big fans of soon to be Roman Reigns' light, solo seco.

Can you get your finger on the button?

No, you're going to get your finger on the button because of all this over chat.

No, all right, then I'm just going to read it.

But no fun, Bull.

I've got to pop my dick, man.

Fine, I mean, this is what we call people who skip breakfast.

That's me all the day, and I don't play about it either.

See? Well, it gets it.

Talk to the different people.

Yeah, I get it, you know, don't play about your breakfast.

I know people who I know my wife is not necessarily a morning person,

but she's got to have her coffee and a breakfast in the morning.

And then she becomes more of a person after that.

She makes this very clear to the kids, and they don't care.

But I get where she's coming from.

She doesn't, you know, take them out back and throw them into a ditch.

Like, Chapel Roans did, but...

First of all, let's get her right.

Chapel Roan didn't do it. The security did it.

All right, like, she ordered them to do.

That's better. She ordered them.

She didn't personally carry it out.

That matters in the court of the law.

Public opinion is different.

But, you know, we're talking about legalities here.

Oh, yeah, I get it with the breakfast and stuff.

That's fun.

You can't...

I still think Chapel Roan could have reacted in a little bit of a better way.

At least the security could have, you know.

Maybe she would have reacted better if she had had her breakfast first.

Something with which she does not play.

But, like, you got to understand, like, the position...

How long has she been up?

That's the real question.

Wow, wonderful.

You know, if she'd only been up for like five minutes

and was going to get a breakfast, okay.

Like, if she's been up for like an hour and then is going to get breakfast,

like, that's her own fault.

Get it earlier.

And then you got to understand, if you've been up,

like, you've had time to, you know, come to your senses a little bit by that point.

So, I did...

We got to get to the bottom of this story.

This is the maybe Chapel Roan's security attack Tony Storm.

Because Tony Storm was trying to ask her about breakfast.

She was trying to ask her, like, hey, how do you like your breakfast?

And she's like, I don't play about my breakfast.

Security, get her.

And then Tony Storm's dead now.

I mean, it's entirely possible.

These are questions that we need Tony to answer.

To Chapel Roan, take out Tony Storm.

Well, Tony Cobb's, I'm going to tell us this.

He's going to tell us, watch the show.

I'm fine.

Maybe he can watch a window as well.

We just said, what's going on?

That's what we need to do.

We need to bring back the watchalongs.

And it's Tony watching Dynamite with us.

Well, while he's doing Dynamite,

we need to do what they used to do for Rampage.

They'll get together at someone's house and watch it together,

have some popcorn and some set of things.

That was something that brought you to talk about.

I don't know.

I don't wonder.

She would have watched in the hours,

like Tom Collision, she would have been wide awake.

I don't know about that.

I need to ask about Chapel Roan breakfast at the scrum.

That's right.

I don't.

Are there scrum questions?

And there are interviews with Tony question.

We have them separated for a reason.

Well, I mean, look, if Tony joined the show today,

which he's not going to,

I would ask him about the ricochet tweets,

like it's not like we're going to just have a full-on,

friendly conversation with Tony.

And I think that's why he's probably not going to do it,

because he probably knows, like,

I like these guys so allegedly.

But I also don't feel like answering these questions right now,

because let's let it die down a little bit.

Because you know, a week from now,

when he starts doing media again,

that was going to care about this stuff, unfortunately.

Well, see now that you've mentioned it,

he's definitely not coming on the show.

Well, he's like, yeah, I know.

Well, he wasn't going to join us in the first place.

Listen, it'll be very funny if he did.

Matthew Huxing.

I'm not getting more people mad at us in this website.

If we like legitimately get Tony gone on,

and all we do is spend the entire time talking about breakfast and stuff,

do you know like how many people are going to be

in our mentions of like, wow, you guys aren't real journalists of like,

I'm not dealing, I barely dealt with it last time.

I do not want, I do not want Sean to deal with it even even more.

So that's unfair to anybody here.

It won't be in my mentions because my shit's locked down.

Sure, but I don't want, again, Sean has a deal with most of it.

I don't want to put that on Sean.

Like, how did you guys get Tony gone on the show?

And you didn't ask him about this, this, this, and this.

And it was just all PR fluff.

And this is why you guys are paid by AEW and all this stuff.

Like, I just, I don't feel like more of it.

Yeah, it's just given what someone's saying.

You know, Ryan's saying, I don't want real journalism on this show.

I want breakfast questions.

Well, we'll get to there, but like, we got to ask about

the actual stuff going on.

And then we can, whatever answer he gets, he gives us, he gives us,

but he's not going to give us any answer.

But, and then we'll talk about the fun stuff like breakfast.

Maybe he'd be like, I want a full English breakfast.

I'd be like, you're a liar.

You're not eating blood pudding.

Maybe you are.

That's our asses by guys.

Yeah.

Oh, Tony gone.

That's legitimately what it would be.

That's right.

I don't want to do that posting the show.

I don't want to do that to Sean.

I don't do it to me because people would actually

find me if that was the case.

Yours is fine.

You got it.

You got it on the lockdown.

But like, I don't want cares about me.

It's fine.

Yeah, I don't want to do that to me.

The people who run the social media, they'd have to deal with it all as well.

Like, it's just, it's not worth it.

Oh, 100%.

It's not going to matter.

But like, if we outright avoid

like asking about like the ricochet and the, the, uh, uh, the bid,

like, specifically the ricochet, the bid.

I don't think people like care as much about you.

Cause you know, that's, that's fun.

That's not like, let's be mad about this.

Then, you know, people are going to be,

people legitimately have, have every rights to be mad.

I'm, I'm not gonna be kidding.

Like, if Tony did any other podcast and this stuff wasn't asked,

we would be mad at them.

Like, how do you not ask these questions when it's a topic right now?

So it'd be hypocritical for us to be like, ah, well,

we just want to have fun type of thing.

And then not, when I know I would be mad if he did any other

podcast and that stuff wasn't asked.

So I wouldn't do it.

Again, if he showed up the jumps, the jump scare would be worth it alone.

Just pops up in the background and they're like, ah, how's this?

Do you think I could fake a jump scare?

Like an hour from now and be like, oh, I mean, you could try.

But now that you've said you're going to do it, it feels a little,

let's see if people remember an hour from now when I do this.

Ah, God, who knows if we'll still be going an hour from now.

All right, where are we going to do?

Should we talk about collision in a few minutes?

Oh, the mayor of Rio de Janeiro banned Chappelle,

Chappell Rhone from performing at a music festival and I said,

I doubt Shakira would do that.

That's pretty beastly.

Wasn't that honestly?

Yeah, because she was supposed to play like,

Lollapalooza Rio or something.

Well, now she ruined that by,

by having her security guard,

ether this kid and then take them and throw them into the dumpster behind the hotel.

So that's her own doing.

No, I don't know, it's not going to happen.

What's not going to happen?

She's still, it's Lollapalooza Brazil.

She's going to, they'll be fine.

They're going to be fine.

There's going to be some sort of, you know,

apology or whatever.

This was the apology.

I don't play about my breakfast.

No, she shouldn't play about her breakfast.

They didn't, ah, man, Yahoo, you ruined it.

You didn't even use the term play about my breakfast.

Why fans think the band crossed the line?

Yeah, she got breakfast just walked into the room.

Gosh, I've been disgusted.

I know the kids aren't watching now.

So I could say this stuff.

Anyway, the point of this being,

chapel did nothing wrong.

More kids, you just,

her security guard,

drop kicked a kid in the face,

took him up to the second balcony

and then threw it over the balcony and into the pool.

What do you mean?

Root, it's, that's how you feel about children.

I get it.

It's my God.

You told me about pronouns earlier.

I'm trying to make sure,

through they them, into the pool.

I don't hate kids.

Jeremy's the one talking about.

Joel completely understands the security guard

because his kid tried to play about his breakfast.

It's like, eat this fridge door for breakfast.

Yes.

Because I, I, like, travel alone,

do not play about my breakfast.

Maybe the kid,

this security guard,

beat this kid with a fridge door

and then throw it in the freezer.

Like, come on, you can't do that to a child.

I'm children need to be taught manners.

This child clearly had none.

And as a result, bad vibes, bad breakfast.

And you can't play with breakfast,

except for the most important meal of the day.

Maybe the kid,

was just a giant,

ashes.

The kid just smiled and waved.

Yeah, who does that?

That's true.

And now the kid can't smile or wave anymore

because the security guard

took the kid and cut all its fingers off.

They'll learn this smile again.

They smile.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Couldn't just cut the hand off, right?

No, not the hand, just the fingers.

I said he couldn't just cut the hand off.

No, no, no.

It's more damaging if it's just the fingers.

The fingers take more out of the stick.

The kid can't smile anymore

because the security guard took the kid

and stitched its mouth shut.

And so now it's just...

It's just closed.

See, I thought maybe it was going to be that

they took the parapliers and picked every two now one by one.

Now, because you could still smile with no teeth.

Not happily, you can't.

Well, now the security guard has gotten

the mouth stitched.

And so it's just...

Look at these kishes.

Look at them like this all done.

Why?

Why does this kid do it all the time?

Because his fingers are cut off, Joe!

Anyway, the kids deserve it.

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This is the right response.

I better have my ex-sauce just right.

I don't play with my brother.

He says that's what's funny is that now,

whoever cooks for Chapel Road is going to be on edge,

because you don't know.

If breakfast isn't good,

they're going to come after her.

He's they're going to come after the cook.

They're just going to fucking ruin their day,

fired on the spot.

That kid should be hired to beat in Chapel Road's new cook

to make up for all of their indispressions.

They're all of their, you know what I mean?

I just keep running scenarios of what the scary card did to this.

Scary.

I got so many ideas of what this scary card did to this kid.

Yeah, stop watching TV at night.

I watched, we watched the Jay and Silent Bob movies this weekend.

That's what I did with my weekend.

Yeah, we watched strike back and then reboot this weekend.

So reboot was the best show ever created.

Well, Jay and Silent Bob reboot.

I'm talking about the show reboot.

I never saw it.

Really with the animated show,

the inside of computer, mainframe?

Bob the Guardian?

No.

No.

Dot?

No idea what you're talking about.

Really?

I mean, it was a Canadian show,

but like it did pretty well.

So, anyway, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're,

I believe you.

I'm just saying I never saw it.

Some company like bought the tapes years later

and like they were storing them.

It's really cool.

Great show.

Great show.

Go watch that.

Yeah, people, people in the chat remember reboot,

because it was one of the best shows ever.

Very ahead of its time, actually.

Right.

I never seen it.

Oh, that's fine.

Yeah, I love the idea that yeah, the kid,

the kid and the security guard.

It's exactly like Batista and Reem's area.

It's the, the board on the bodyboard

and they, the security guard just slammed the bodyboard

with the kid on it into the, into a fridge or something.

This security guard put this kid on the board

and instead of waterboarding it,

just egg-aborted it.

Just continued to pour eggs on this kid's face

and while saying over and over again,

Shappel Rowan doesn't play about her breakfast

and then continued to just pour eggs.

But it was always a mixture of eggs.

It's like, oh, now you're getting scrambled eggs.

Now you're getting over easy eggs.

Now you're just getting straight yolk eggs.

And now just, they're throwing hard boiled eggs at this kid.

This kid got gourmet egg-boarded

for smiling and trying to wave at Shappel Rowan.

I feel like Shappel Rowan wouldn't allow it

because those are nice gourmet eggs

that you want to keep around.

Ah, she's rich. She doesn't care.

It's fair. She could just buy more eggs.

Yeah.

She got those like pigeon eggs, you know what I'm saying?

The pigeon eggs?

Yeah.

Those can't be a delicacy.

Sure they are.

I feel like pigeon eggs are easy to find

and then I could just go outside my window

and find them.

Not these pigeon eggs.

These are pigeons from the Southwest.

Yeah.

I don't know about that.

These are diamond-crusted pigeon eggs.

I don't know. Do they come out that way?

Or are they diamond-crusted themselves?

I don't know how this stuff works.

She's, yeah, she's eating ostrich eggs.

She got dodo bird eggs.

She's got the theory egg, you know?

Yeah, the 2001 theory.

That thing's very difficult to find.

Netflix sends her a new one every day.

She even fabricates eggs?

How?

They find a way for her.

Meanwhile, this kid has to eat eggs through a straw

because they've had their mouth...

It can't even eat it through a straw.

It can't open its mouth at all.

It's...

It's awful.

All right, should I say what I was just thinking there?

Well, it depends.

How bad is it?

You've seen the South Park episode

where they stick the food up their butt

and then poop out their mouth?

That's what this kid has to do.

Except she can't poop because her mouth is shut.

So her poop just gets logged into her mouth.

Anyway, leave it.

That's what Shappa Rose's security guard did to this kid, Joel.

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People have already done it but done it in a super chat

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Never to be seen again because Shappa Rose is going to sunt us down.

We've said...

We've said her name too many times

and now she feels the boundaries are being disrespected.

She should join us.

She should.

We should send Shappa Rose a message.

Do you a Shappa Rose?

We understand you love breakfast.

Please join us on our morning show to discuss what breakfast you love.

Do you have a lot of time?

She is a wrestling fan.

She is a wrestling fan.

We should hold.

All right, let's do the tweet.

Do you do it in this?

Yeah, yeah, I'll do it.

Hold on.

Is she on the Twitter?

She's got to be.

She's got to be.

Hold on.

Because I don't do the Instagram.

So...

Yeah, she's at Chapel Road.

She doesn't have a ton of followers.

Oh man, when's the last time she tweeted?

Since like 2025.

Yeah, I don't feel like this is going to go well but we'll try it anyway.

Yeah, she has not replied to anything.

Yeah, we'll try it.

Yeah, just people posting photos.

Yeah.

Hello.

Chapelle Rowan.

Yeah, why haven't we done a Dave Chapelle Chapel Rowan crossover?

Yeah, I don't know.

How would we?

How would we?

Yeah, it feels like, oh, actually, I don't think Dave Chapelle would do it.

Because, you know, anyway.

Hello, Chapelle Rowan.

Hope you are enjoying.

You're breakfast.

Nice.

Please join our morning show

to discuss breakfast and wrestling.

We don't play about either.

That's right.

We take breakfast very seriously.

Thank you.

All right.

Fact after the show, I'm going to go have more breakfast.

Same.

Nice.

Wait a minute.

Chapelle Rowan vans are pulling up to your house right now.

Yeah.

Some people have ice agents show up at their door.

Jeremy gets Chapelle Rowan.

Oh my god.

Tiki and Chapelle Rowan on our show at the same time will be the most

scary and weird experience ever.

Let's do it.

Oh, man.

So how did your show blow up?

I can't even begin to tell you how.

Just watch it.

Is it nighttime in Brazil?

No, they're not that far apart.

She's not in Brazil.

She back?

Well, I don't know.

She got banned because the president was like, you ain't Shakira.

So get out.

Shakira was Colombian, not Brazilian.

I don't know.

Shakira rules though.

I mean, she does until you try to mess with her breakfast.

And you find out that she's also very serious about it.

Shakira wouldn't do that.

Shakira did Zootopia, man.

She gets it.

It's 11 feet.

Yeah, they're an hour ahead in Brazil.

Yeah, it's a lot of fun.

Fine.

Walla Paloza, Brazil.

Is it?

It's over, right?

Yeah, it was only this weekend.

Is she like headlining?

Livia Rodrigo drove Justin Timberlake.

Really Justin Timberlake?

Jesus.

Alanis Morissette.

What have we got?

Sean Mendez?

Tool.

What's that song he did?

Pete stitches?

Yeah, I think that's it.

Stitches.

We covered that.

That's named after that kid now.

Jesus.

All right, that got me.

Hold on.

There's no way that that was part of it.

Come on.

Show me you show me the actual

information.

Oh my god, they've already shut down the site to give me the 2027

screw you.

Uh, instant.

Get the actual.

The actual wall of the loser lineup.

Oh my god, this sucks.

Okay, okay.

Here was Sunday.

Tyler the creator was one of the

tops.

Lord.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Katzai and

Lord rules.

Yeah.

Well, what else was there?

Is that it for that?

Okay, that was Sunday.

What's going on?

What was Saturday?

It was on the Saturday gimmick.

Come on.

Show me the

friggin lineup.

Instagram sucks for this game.

Let me tell you.

All right, fine.

Lola, Paloza, Brazil.

Line up.

Jeez, they really make this impossible.

All right, you keep searching for that.

I'm going to talk.

All right, so I'm going to hold on.

Hold on, hold on.

Okay, fine.

Sabrina Carpenter was the headliner on Friday, the 20 rules.

And Chappell Rohn was the headliner for the 21st was Saturday.

And then Tyler, the creator of the headliner for Sunday

with turn style as well.

Turn style.

Yeah, turn style was opening for Tyler, the creator.

Yeah, turn style was opening for Tyler, the creator.

That's what the security guard beat that kid with a turn style.

Did we get the turn style account?

After we beat the kid with it.

Deftones, they headlined Friday on the Galaxy stage.

Skrillex had lined on Saturday on the Galaxy stage.

And Lord, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, she was the Sunday on the flying fish stage.

Flying fish.

I just a bunch of Brazilian bands that you have never heard of.

You're a cat's eye.

Exactly.

And then there was, yeah, there was the fairy stage that's also a bunch of locals.

Anyway, not a great lineup this year.

My God, the Viagra boys.

Is a legitimate name for a band, the Viagra boys.

Did they like pass out Viagra at the show?

I mean, they were early enough in the day.

There was about an hour in between their set.

And then Interpol was next.

And they opened for you take Viagra to Interpol.

Okay.

You gave me a thumbs up.

And then Deftones were that by that night.

All right.

On the Galaxy stage, the Budweiser stage was the main stage.

Okay.

Yes, Ryan, do I have a memory of it?

No, my memory, as people know, it was awful.

So if I've only seen the episode like once,

which I've only seen it once, I got no real memory.

Of especially kids like years ago and everything,

like I can only remember

if I saw it maybe a week ago.

Or I'd have to see it multiple times.

But yes, I have seen it.

Just got no memory of it.

I also don't remember anything.

More kids should get beat up in my pop star people.

Why?

Pop star security.

It's true.

The Vagra boy should have been performing on the Bluetooth stage.

I feel like that's a conflict of interest.

For whom?

No one's dick.

Tell you that much.

Good.

I'd never mixed Viagra and Bluetooth.

I don't know what the results are.

I think I've had to do in my lifetime.

How do you feel like that would be a problem?

I think keeps saying that flying fish was a client of theirs.

Either that or Sean woke up and decided that we once

had flying fish as a sponsor.

Or Rob's awake and suddenly flying fish is something that he used to work with too.

I don't know.

Why do people use that faithful account of ours?

What are you talking about?

I'm not kidding.

Flying fish was a client of mine.

Okay.

I believe you.

There are multiple people use this account myself.

Oh.

Okay.

To which we had to decipher whether it was Kate, Robert, Sean.

Oh.

When it's Sean.

I thought it was pretty obvious.

No, no.

Usually when it's Sean, it's just like loud,

trolling.

Yeah.

Like all caps.

Yeah.

I thought it was obvious considering them posting

and then chat the entire time.

Oh, who knows.

People just take over.

Everyone's in the same room.

Okay, sure.

Listen, these people don't play with their breakfast in there.

Sure.

That's fine.

Where are we?

Have we done talking about breakfast?

Never.

All right.

Oh, I thought we were going to talk about

Shaperone's security guard more.

I mean, if you'd like to.

Okay.

I have more ideas of what the security guard did with the kids.

I mean, I'm sure you do.

Go ahead.

The security guard made the kid watch a Leo Rush match

from this weekend.

Fuck.

That's my transition.

Now we do have to transition into this

collision was over the weekend.

We can do what happened as we told you.

Jeremy didn't spoil anything.

Instead, he gave you the basically the bedding lines.

I'm scared to ask what just happened off camera.

My wife's in the room.

No, she's looking like a vending machine.

B7.

Is there a guy around there?

You either get the reference or you don't, Joe.

I ain't paying attention to the most.

Okay.

Anyway, uh, yeah.

So we did, we just gave you the bedding lines.

You knew, you knew who was going to win every match

in that particular show.

People are, people are making me ridiculous humans.

Jesus Christ.

Anyway, uh, Leo Rush is a golem.

He's, he's, he's golem psycho.

And yet they cut the legs out from under him already.

I mean, oh, because he lost.

You can't create a brand new character

when you're already a big loser and then be

booked to lose with your brand new character.

Because they, as not a loser character,

they're not trying to get him over.

Let's be honest.

Well, then you have to tell him,

stop trying new things because you're losing.

It's a two-sided issue.

No, the issue is they wanted to just do something

and, or Leo Rush wanted to do this character.

And they're like, yeah, sure.

And so they're doing it.

Like they have, they're not booking him strong.

If they cared to actually make this a thing,

they wouldn't have just had him come out with no explanation.

I'm like, hey, where's action and dready

and your little spike jacket at?

It's in Jacksonville.

Instead, he's junior, gallant, black over here

and wrestling how he's wrestling.

Just a, it doesn't.

It's like, what is the point of the character

if you're just going to beat him?

There is no point to the character.

That's the point, Joel.

Why do you, why do you give him the full entrance

and do the whole presentation?

Because they're like, we need to use Leo Rush

and you've been doing this character.

So here you go.

Do the whole thing that you want to do.

I'm just guessing Bald equals a book to the HW.

It's a fair play.

Here you go.

It's a good point.

The Bald, are you get the more work you do?

I don't think they have any,

I get what you're saying.

I'm like, why do you all this?

But you are theorizing

they have plans for him beyond just beating him on television.

And they don't.

It's not even that because I think you and I

we understand what's happening to me

from a booking and like a producer standpoint.

If you start someone on a new path,

you want to make sure that that path has a trajectory.

And if that path, from a storytelling standpoint,

just gets the legs cut out from under it

and immediately is bound to be losing,

then there is no path.

And therefore, this character is a flaw.

It's a flaw.

But at that point, why isn't there someone backstage saying,

hey, are you sure you want to do this?

Because you're going to lose.

And if this is a character that you want to be

a winning character or a different presentation,

they don't want them to be a winning character.

That's a point.

But that's what I'm getting at.

If someone has his interest in mind,

why isn't someone saying,

hey, are you sure you want to do this?

Because it's going to lose on TV a bunch.

And if you want this character to be more than that,

and maybe you want to do it on the Indies or in a different spot,

are you sure this is what you want to do?

But also, I don't know what Leo Rush wants to be doing.

Because I think Leo Rush is happy to be on television,

which fares.

And I get that.

That's the thing.

That's why there's a difference between being way past your prime

and trying to do something new and getting beat

and still trying to figure out your spot

in the wrestling world.

In Leo's case, he's been around for a long time.

He's still young.

He's been in and out of wrestling himself.

So I get it from the Leo Rush standpoint.

I'm just speaking from a presentational standpoint

of any character.

This is probably not something I would advise someone to do

if they were just a regular every day,

not Leo Rush person.

It just felt weird.

It just felt like, okay, it looks cool.

This is different.

It's scary.

Ah, he lost.

They told you immediately, like,

now don't worry about this guy.

He just looks weird.

Because they,

they're not actually pushing this character.

And everyone knows they're not actually pushing this character.

Maybe it leads to something at some point.

I think Leo Rush is probably smart enough to know

that again, this isn't a character

that's going anywhere right now.

But where was this character going before that?

You're just paired with action and dreading.

What are you doing losing the entire time?

And now you haven't been on television for months since then.

So yeah, even though this character is losing

and its first match and presentation here,

Leo Rush is probably thinking.

And I don't blame him for this line of thinking.

Well, this new character is at least going to get me on television

for a little while.

Maybe I lose, but maybe something catches

and then they're almost forced to put me

in something else.

And like, I understand

that line of thinking.

It's, it's, let me try something new

and it works.

I'm in the same position that I was in

six months ago doing nothing.

And it best this actually works and I'm in a better position.

I think, I think what I would have done.

And I see Kate, you know, saying it's Blackheart versus Blackheart.

Yeah, I get it.

It's like, it's like putting pack in a match against gravity

and everyone's like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

You get what you're doing here.

Oh, well, budget ship posters, 6.9 billion.

And instead, what we could have done differently

if this was, you know, if this was building to something different

or maybe we were giving him a new character

was like, haven't went a match on collision any other week.

And like, do the presentation.

Let him flesh it out.

And like, eventually, lose to a guy like,

chop it. Don't get me wrong.

And the match itself was good.

Like, that's not a question.

Congratulations, fine.

It was good.

I know.

It's trying to, Leo's trying to wrestle a different style

in this character too.

So like, that's going to take time for him to figure out.

He's doing little things that are cool

and little things that are kind of whatever.

They're, the big spot for him is doing that

like dog running through the middle road.

Yeah, that spot is not good.

A low pay thing is like, he thinks that's the spot

that's going to get a, you know, viral notice.

But it's like, I mean, he did, but maybe not in the best way.

Yeah, exactly.

So if you're going to do, in my opinion,

if you were going to do this Leo Rush rebrand

and do the refocus and new music and new,

I guess it's his music.

But if you're going to do something new with Leo,

to me, the best thing would have been

a couple of weeks of him winning matches.

And then he gets to a point where it's like,

there is a glass ceiling.

And the glass ceiling in this case would have been

champa who then goes after whatever he's after,

which is, I guess, the TNT title again,

or whichever title he's going to go after next.

It was just a timing thing.

It was just a presentation standpoint.

Can you are,

you are trying to give this Leo Rush

gimmick more credit than they care to give it?

I do.

I think they probably should have had some explanation

and still like why he's all of a sudden like this

instead of just bringing him an out

and acting like there's something new to this.

Yeah, that'd be good.

But let's not act like this is like a new thing in wrestling.

We're literally seeing it on the other company.

Remember Luca Cristofino who's a lawyer,

mobster, and now all of a sudden he's

whatever gimmick he's doing, homeless DJ.

Yeah, like now he just like switches up

what happened here?

This just happens in wrestling.

I wish there was matches though.

What?

Is he winning those matches?

He's not wrestling,

but he's just winning.

They're just doing vignettes.

Okay, and I feel like he'll win those matches.

Maybe, maybe, but he's got to actually wrestle first.

But it's only Valve.

Like Leo's winning on ROH,

so I think I don't actually know.

He's winning on the Indies, you know?

So that's the thing.

It's like it's doing the Indies.

And if you're going to have this character on the Indies,

like you may want to preserve it a little bit

and not make it look totally awful.

He's...

Yeah, the Luca thing has not been on TV yet, but I think I could.

Yeah, it's been on TV.

Like he hasn't wrestled.

I mean, he hasn't wrestled on TV,

but my point back to the Luca thing is that

he's probably going to debut that character and win

to establish them.

We don't know that, though.

He's not damn...

He's kind of a loser, like...

He's not damn Nathan.

He's not...

Like that was the one time where they did all those vignettes

and it turned out to be a hilarious, like,

it was all about Momos and Joe just beating Dan Nathan.

They did the same thing with Giovanni Vinci.

They did all those vignettes and then he lost them three seconds.

Did they...

This is not anything new.

Yeah, but it's not...

It's not common.

We put it like that.

Oh, man.

Like I see Robinson, I was like really not a fan of the Leo Rush character.

And I understand why.

Like, it's different.

I don't think it's great.

I give Leo full marks for trying

whether or not it works as a totally different question.

And if it doesn't work for you, then yeah, I get it.

Hey, yeah, the inspiration were the other team

that I was gonna go to,

but also the inspiration were kind of

expected to get squashed that quickly.

I can't hold of that.

I mean, I expected that out of the Brawling Birds.

I kind of expected that to be the way that went.

I get it that sometimes there's like a 60-40 in the 50-50.

It's like Will Osprey and Blake Christian, right?

Right, right, match, wrong winner.

But the point of that being the inspiration,

I expected a bit of a squash.

I don't know what they're doing with the inspiration at this point.

ROH.

Are they on ROH?

Did they get it?

They were on the tapings?

Yeah, they were at the tapings.

Good. They can, when the ROH women's tag titles

that they'll inevitably make.

Yeah, so it's just...

It's not that big.

I always don't weigh too much time on this,

but apparently this was the only one talking point.

Well, it's more of that.

It's evil, that's it.

It's also more about talking about a character's presentation versus,

you know, how you release it,

the rollout process of a character.

Right, and there is a way to roll this stuff out

if they care about the character,

and they don't care about the character.

They're just like,

yeah, you want to do this thing?

Sure, go for it.

Like you're gonna lose.

And that's going to be that.

Again, I think Leo Rush is looking at it of

I can either do nothing,

like I've been doing for six months now.

I don't know if it's been six months,

but just go with me.

It's been months.

I can either do nothing like I've been doing for months,

or I can try this new character.

Yeah, I might lose,

but maybe something catches.

Maybe I can get into

I don't know the triangle of madness and

be with them in some way.

And then it can work for me.

I can get something more on television.

That's like,

I understand that line of thinking for Leo.

It's for me personally,

as we will know, I don't care about these like spooky kind of characters.

They don't really do anything

for me.

I respect that Leo is,

he's changed his style up to like match the character.

The style isn't really for me.

It had like dog jumping around the ring

and then going into like,

you kill your momentum doing that.

It doesn't even make sense as like a wrestling move.

Just run off the ropes and do the dive.

Like you get way more momentum.

Like dog jumping around and then doing a quick run.

It's a dumb move like K-fabe and reality.

So it doesn't do anything for me.

He's trying with this stuff.

It just, it doesn't work for me.

It just doesn't.

And I get that.

That's why.

But I just, I noticed it and I was like,

oh, we brought him in.

You just beat him on a new character.

But okay, you know, I understand the person.

It's more the reasoning.

That's one of these.

I think, but there's a cap on these characters too.

Out there.

There you.

There just is though, especially in a company like AEW.

I just don't think this stuff works as well in AEW.

I think WWE, you can do it a little bit because you can,

they, they're so vignette heavy and

they're willing to do this sort of

spooky outside the box kind of stuff.

Most of it turns out campy, but you can get on television

and you can like win titles.

I mean, House of Black was like,

it wasn't really for me.

But they did well in the, the element of time

that Alistair was there.

They won the trio titles back when those titles

mattered and did stuff with that.

Alistair got the feud with Cope that again

did nothing for me.

But at least that's still a big time program for him.

But look where, look where like Brodie's at now

compared to where he was in House of Black.

And I know it wasn't the focus in House of Black,

but Brodie's not doing any of that stuff now.

He's just Brodie King.

Now he's actually getting a push on stuff.

So I think there's just,

Julia Hart, again, she went somewhere on it,

but she didn't go with so far.

That's like, they don't do this spooky stuff.

Like yeah, they're the, they're the triangle of madness,

but they don't go like witchcraft kind of stuff.

She's just, that's like,

she's just down toxic spider, everything's tech,

everything's toxic, whatever.

Yeah, again, they don't do like all the mist and all that stuff.

Like, I think there's just a cap on that kind of stuff.

Yeah, I mean, I agree with you.

Also, whenever people talk about Brodie King and House of Black,

I now default to what Alistair Black said about Brodie King.

He was, he basically said it in an interview.

He said he made Brodie King in a way.

That one they were like, we're going to separate him from you.

And then they're going to, you know, he's going to be more popular.

Alistair basically made the whole thing about him.

He made, you made Brodie King's ascent all about him.

Oh, if I pull it off, I will when we're talking more.

But yes, oh god, if there's one thing Alistair Black's going to do,

go into business for himself.

I mean, the righteous, like they're, you know, they're not for me.

That's the other thing too.

So the match that they had against the Nemis on TNA this week was a very good match.

But from a righteous presentation standpoint,

they don't do it for me.

I'm just waiting for them to turn on the hardies and do a match like a broken whatever

against the hardies at rebellion.

That's all I got.

But otherwise like they don't do it for me, but the wrestling is very good.

Okay, and the righteous again, they're,

like this stuff doesn't really work because again, no one,

no one will actually commit to it.

And this is why, you know, of course, Alexa was camera.

Like the fiend, Dark Alexa, and the Wyatt six.

Like the Wyatt six are, like they're at where they're at.

There's, again, there's a cap on what they're actually going to do.

Like they're fine tag team division people.

Uncle Howdy is most likely never going to be the world champion.

Sorry, there's just a cap on that.

Bray, this is why I love Bray.

Bray committed and Bray pushed and Bray actually got stuff to work and got stuff done.

Maybe it wasn't for everybody.

And I completely understand that if it's not for everybody,

I know there was a lot of pushback on on Bray and like how much he did.

And like especially at the time he was doing it.

And now, since he sadly passed away, people

act like they were fans of it at the time or act like it was, you know,

better than they were saying it was at the time.

But this is why I always praise Bray.

And people thought it was in like a joky way.

And like some of it was facetious, but everything I say is facetious.

So, you know, but I always loved that Bray did commit to this stuff.

And did it go really outside the box like structure.

And it get his ideas presented in the way that he wanted

to get his ideas presented.

So yeah, Bray made this stuff work.

Bray was an anomaly when it comes to this.

Bray also fought.

And like every idea he had, he pitched it.

Every time he pitched it.

And he was almost merciless at the point where he was like

beat them into submission with his ideas.

So it wasn't a bad thing.

It was just he was, he was always there.

He was always.

Yeah.

And again, Bray was willing to push and take the risk that he got some benefit

to actually do, but it is because he pushed so hard.

Him and the undertaker though, those are the two people who have made it work.

So we are looking at, I mean, since the undertaker,

debuted in with 88, 890, something like that.

990 for these things.

990 for these things.

990 for the undertaker.

Okay.

So in however many decades, two people have been able to pull this kind of stuff off.

And now you think of how many spooky type of gimmicks they've done over the years.

And you can even like point to people like the boogie man and pop a shango and stuff.

Like it just, this stuff doesn't work.

It has a cap on it.

That's it.

There is a, there's a very real cap to this stuff.

And that's fine.

If you're willing to be capped.

Not, you know, not like that.

Yeah, not that.

Like if you're willing to be capped like that.

Kane, okay, Kane was an extension of the undertaker.

So that's, that's, that's fine.

And a, this was kind of spooky-ish.

This wasn't spooky.

A, this was just hardcore.

Like he was, he was just kind of a monster.

Yeah, monsters always existed in wrestling.

Like that was, like, the south would do monster gimmicks all the time.

And it wouldn't be spooky.

It would be spooky, but it wouldn't be magic spooky.

Yeah, it wasn't like supernatural.

Yeah, yeah, that's the word.

Yeah.

I'm not counting Demon Finn as spooky.

Nah, because he just convulses and falls in the floor.

And Demon Finn is just one, like a one-off.

You know, he's not doing that every single week.

So, yeah, I'm not counting Demon Finn in, in that, in that light.

Yeah.

I said to him, I think once I go in one direction,

you will eventually see a big explosion in regards to how you have been perceived.

I'm glad that we, now, I'm glad that we see now that because the whole reason I initially

told Tony Khan about Brody was because I already saw that.

I knew how good he could be.

I had to tone him down a little bit initially because he's a big human being.

I would say, I would like for you to be more effective.

One elbow from you equals dudes on the ground and not getting back up.

He picked up on that tremendously.

He's a good dude.

I have a lot of love for him.

We fight like brothers, and I'm very happy for him.

It's also black speaking to the stunner.

I'm going here this month, sure.

Taking all the credit for Brody, he's superboarding King's success.

Henry, yeah, thank you, Henry.

It's exactly it.

I mean, Brody and Alistair teamed on the Indies and stuff.

That was afterwards.

After they were in A.W.

Kings of Black Throne were, that was PWG.

I thought they teamed before they were aligned in A.W.

No, maybe you are right, but I can't.

My timeline on this stuff isn't good.

You know, COVID really messed everyone up.

I can't remember if Kings of the Black Throne was before or after.

It's Malachi, because Alistair, Malachi, Alistair, whatever you want to call him,

Tommy and they jumped right away.

I don't think there was time for them to team on the Indies.

No, I think they were friends and stuff.

Because everyone knew it was going to be Brody when they ultimately kind of aligned.

Yeah, they teamed in PWG before they teamed in A.W.

I wonder how close it was to that.

They teamed in PWG in September of 2021.

They didn't align in A.W.

until the beginning of 2022.

Okay, so there was a few months.

Yeah, okay.

Regardless, so they had worked together.

I knew that they had teams together in PWG.

Yeah, I thought it was before.

Because again, everyone knew like, oh, it's going to be Brody

when he started doing all the like teases and stuff,

because they were already teaming together.

All right, well, there it is.

What else from Collision?

Do we need to get into?

Roddy's joined the conglomeration officially.

Sure.

The only thing that gives me pause is Kyle O'Reilly, okay.

Yeah, that's the, you know, hopefully he is.

Because he was definitely set for like a big push

and unfortunately,

because of this injury, he's been sideline.

So that sucks.

And I hope that Kyle is okay.

And I ask because when it looked like Roddy was leaving

to do something else and leave the conglomeration story,

it looked like it was to get ready for something with Kyle

or at least something that would lead to the return of Kyle.

And now it's turned into, I'm joining the conglomeration

and I didn't join the dogs and I need my friends

and I love my friends and I'm your friend.

So I'm hopeful that Kyle's back soon.

I just, I heard that segment and I was like,

uh-oh, I hope Kyle's okay.

I guess we'll find out in due time.

Yeah, yeah, hopefully Kyle's good though.

Good tag match though.

With Roddy and Orange against lethal and Johnson.

Yeah, and now the dogs are like, this feud must continue.

Yeah, so how does something continue on dog time?

What is, what is dog time?

Well, it's like dog years, right?

You're an dog year, so seven years to one year.

Living in dog years, shout out to Narodica.

Yeah, so seven minutes and one minute?

I guess.

That's the only way I can think of it.

So every one minute is seven minutes in dog time?

Yes.

So Tony says you're opening up dynamite

then they're going to open up dynamite like an hour earlier, I guess.

If they're told they have a 15-minute match,

and they really have a two-minute match.

Yes.

So it just means real soon.

I guess I mean, dog time would be sped up

is what we're getting to.

Just dog time is faster.

So I guess it will happen sooner than later.

Well, it's happening on dynamite.

Oh, there you go, sooner than later.

I mean, I guess that's what they said.

On dog time, a dog time was in fact this Wednesday.

Yeah.

Again, Tony, we're here to discuss this with us.

We would have much better understanding of things like breakfast and dog time.

Tony, God, what is dog time?

And why are you living on it when these dogs are really living on it?

Maybe we got to we got to ask the dogs.

Are there multiple time zones?

Well, yeah, we know that.

We know there's multiple time zones.

Like that's maybe W proper.

Are there multiple time zones?

Well, in life, there's multiple time zones.

What are we talking about?

No, in spaces, there are multiple time zones.

But in life, there are multiple time.

Dog life savings time.

What are we getting at here?

The dogs are going to face the conglomerate dude again.

Okay.

Yeah.

And then the match will be two minutes in dog years.

Two minutes in dog time.

Like the dogs have to win this, right?

They're not just going to like lose again and be giant dorks.

But they can join Leo Rush.

Leo is a big dog.

So maybe it's going to be he does that dog spot.

Maybe they're going to do dogs.

Oh, juice.

Juiced.

Juiced.

Juiced.

Juiced.

He's a dog.

Yeah.

It's all bullet club adjacent.

So the bullet dogs.

The juiced is like certain hearing aid on people.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then we're like Leo Rush and like juice.

We're just like, you know,

dog bouncing around.

They're just like.

And then road dog is their manager.

Oh, my god.

We've gone too far.

No, we haven't gone.

We haven't gone far enough.

I mean, and juice was a thing.

But we're we're not talking Find juice, baby.

Find juice is later on.

They were going to do that in 2028.

I want to see this gimmick.

We're like Leo Rush.

In juice Robinson or just like dog bouncing around backstage.

And then they go up to somebody and they do the pee on them thing.

And then that person like immediately gets attacked.

And so like, they're marking them by peeing on them.

It's like the Dan Housen curse, you know?

Like they're they're cursing with their piss.

Oh, piss curse.

Yeah, yeah.

I feel like this could work.

I was going to say something, but I'm holding my mouth.

I'm going to hold my lips shut on this one.

Say it, coward.

No, absolutely not.

I will type it in the private chat.

All right, then I'll say it.

No, because I don't think you will.

Uh, uh, not if I have to curse.

I can't curse.

No, the league out of these things.

Oh, yeah, I can't say that.

Tomahiroishi will join me returns.

That's, that's the stone pit bull.

Should absolutely be a part of this.

Oh, King of the North gets it.

So anyway, the point is, yeah, that's literally what Jolti is.

Yes.

Uh, dog time.

Anyway, all the dogs will get together.

Uh, yes, there's that.

That'll be on on Wednesdays that night.

They'll probably win.

Right?

The dogs have to win.

The dog.

I think so.

There are a lot of dogs in AW right now.

That's true.

Had three Brody King.

Michael Vicks going to show.

It's going to start putting bets on the dogs.

I heard you.

Sorry.

Tear you.

Oh, God.

Anyway, uh, send our best to Josh Alexander.

Looks like he was injured in the trio's main event last night.

Very innocuous, getting his legs up to block.

Speed balls, uh, standing moonsaults and just knees on knees.

And that was that was it for him.

You can tell something.

Yeah, he's out quickly.

Yeah, he just, you saw him get over to make a tag to take a

catch to get out of the ring.

And that was it for him for the rest of the show.

But hopefully, hopefully, it's not bad.

I know that there's a feeling that it is, uh,

it is a legitimate injury to his leg.

And, uh,

who knows what comes next.

Again, another question of Tony joined us right now to talk about the show.

How, how is Josh?

Will he be okay?

What's the timeline?

Give us all the

thank God the non-cals family has 20 million people

because they all keep going down with some injury and it sucks.

They're going to add someone new.

Who's another Canadian that they can add?

What's RooShops who?

Probably put LFI back together.

He's facing Darby this week.

He is facing Darby this week.

Yeah.

Not, not Andrade.

It's going to be RooSh.

That's fine.

Yeah, Brian Cage seems to be ready.

I don't think Don Callis actually likes Brian Cage.

He just trolls him in every,

I don't know if he trolls him or

because like he

Cage and Callis work together at, uh,

they work together in impact.

So I'll look forward.

Well, something changed.

I think we just never liked each other,

but they all just did the bit just to get along.

Like maybe he's trolling,

but like he takes a shot at that man,

like every single day.

It's not

something mentally okay.

Yeah, like,

you know, I troll you on this show, Joel,

but we also do six hours a week together.

And then I also say nice things publicly sometimes.

Not a lot.

Very rare.

Yeah.

For Don Callis, like Brian Cage will have nothing to do with anything.

And Don Callis will take a shot at him.

Like again, maybe he's trolling,

but I don't know.

It doesn't, uh,

it doesn't feel like he is a lot of times.

I think he's just being a dick.

But then again, Don Callis used to very famously be completely in character

for every appearance he made.

Sure, but like the impact press pass.

Yeah, that's, I don't remember covering those.

Yeah, those suck.

Oh, speaking of, of impacts.

I was talking about this here in a second, but again,

Don Callis is talking about like,

Chuck Norris dying and taking a shot at Brian Cage.

Okay, that rules.

Is it Chuck Norris once told Brian Cage not to take so many bumps

and he started no cell like imposing RIP?

Oh, he just takes shots at home on, on this stuff.

But maybe, maybe he's trolling, maybe I don't know,

but it's anyway.

Were you about, were you about impacts?

Oh, yeah, yeah, I wanted to talk about this.

Uh, did, did we did, did we cost impact the UBS arena?

So, no, Carlos, actually will gardener, super fan of TNA, did it to TNA.

Uh, sorry, I guess we can, we'll go under the, we'll go under it for a second.

He was on Capitol 90, was it 90?

Oh, holy shit.

What, what, what?

Let's try.

Anyway, good stuff.

Uh, do they have anything else for the rebellion show?

No, they don't.

Because they have to do a Friday show first.

They have the Friday show, they have a sacrifice and then

they'll set up a few matches.

That was, that was a terrible attempt.

You just shout into my ears and say,

It caught you off guard.

You're just shouted in my ears.

Yeah, that's how you faint it.

And, you know,

cursed as well.

I said an hour.

Well, you said a timer.

No, no, no, I knew what time I said an hour.

It wasn't even hours, 50 minutes, because you know,

if I said an hour, you're everyone will be like,

Oh, maybe, maybe people would have actually looked at it.

It was an hour.

So I did it a little bit early, you know.

So anyway, uh, what's the space?

Carlos Silva was on the, was it 97 capital, capital 97?

Oh, that's eight years ago.

Yeah.

I got to actually pull up the thing.

Because I forgot.

It was on the 76 capital sports leadership show.

There you go.

With Wayne Kimmel, no relation to Jimmy.

And he was talking about his time in TNA

and leading Anthem, uh,

in the sports division and all that stuff.

And in the interview,

at the end, he makes reference to

going to UBS for Slam of Racer last year

and saying, Allizer, like landing the plane back at UBS in 2026.

And Will Gardner, who is at every show.

If you ever watch impact more than like,

if you watch two different clips of impact,

you will see Will front row.

He's the guy who is always wearing some sort of vest.

He's got a beard.

He's got short-cropped hair.

And he's usually wearing some sort of like TNA Merk.

He's at every show.

He did a spot once, I think, in the ring with Tommy Dreamer

and everyone shouted him out.

It was a funny little thing.

Anyway, it was a really nice guy.

Um, so we'll read it out that they,

they announced that they're going to be back at UBS.

And so I sent it to our, our staff chat.

Because it is something Carla Civil legitimately said.

And it was something that was worth, you know,

putting out there as newsworthy.

And within like 30 minutes maybe,

John Alba had jumped on it and was just like,

this was news that we were going to talk about.

And now we have to amend the situation.

So John basically said like,

there was plans for UBS,

but people in TNA believe those plans may have changed.

I, I am still in the belief that they're still going to do UBS.

And they're just trying to kind of get throw people off the set.

But it would be very funny if it turned out that Carla

still missed both on the podcast that he was on.

And the, he alone said we're coming back.

This would be very funny.

I don't know where else I could go in New York.