Why Scottie Barnes deserves to make an All-NBA team w/ Es Baraheni

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Hey, what's going on, and welcome to another episode of Lockdown Raptors.

It is Tuesday, March 31st.

I'm your host, Shubb, with your dear pal, and on today's show, we're talking Scotty

Barnes, all-in-bass case, which is an interesting conversation.

There's arguments to be made very strongly for him to make it, maybe some arguments against

as well.

We're getting all that, whether the point Scotty, Renaissance can help boost his case down

the stretch.

We're also going to talk about Masayu Jiri, who's back with a Toronto basketball team, and

Ed Rogers can't do a damn thing about it.

We'll get to that later on in the show.

We're going to do it all with our dear pal, Espera Henney from the Athletic NBA Daily

Raptors Republic, the whole damn internet.

What's going on, pal?

What's up, beautiful people?

Hello, hello.

Welcome.

Hello, Sean.

Appreciate you having me on, as always.

It's actually fun.

I was just telling you this offline, but it's funny that you brought me on to have the

all-in-bass discussion, because I am cooking up a 65-game rule, the stupid video right

now for the Athletic.

The thought process of the video is like, here are the players that would be eligible if

they played all of the games, here are the players that would make it, and then we kind

of sift through the players that won't be eligible, obviously, Kate Cunningham, that's

the big one everybody keeps talking about, but also, you know, no, LeBron James, no

Steph Curry for a little bit there.

There was a potential for no Anthony Edwards and no Tyrese Maxi, so it opens up some spots

for a couple of these guys to sneak in, and honestly, even outside of that, maybe Scotty

Barnes does have a case, so yeah.

Yeah.

Well, here's the thing, Es.

I have yet to determine whether I think the 65-game rule is good or not, because I don't

know if it's earned Scotty Barnes an all-in-bass spot yet, so we'll see if he makes it.

I think the 65-game rule is great, and everyone else should have, I don't know, taken better

care of their lungs to stay on the floor.

Yeah, it's a dumb rule, it's silly, but because of it, we do get a pretty compelling Scotty

Barnes all-in-bass conversation to turn into content today, so that's what we're going

to do.

And look, like you said, even without the 65-game rule, I think there is a pretty interesting

case to be made for Scotty as an NBA player, and look, when you think about how this gets

voted for and think of the sort of broad voting spectrum across the league, of broadcasters,

writers, et cetera, et cetera, there's often an element of let's go sort the standings

and then cross-reference with our sorted points per game and make our NBA case that way,

and if that is how people are going to approach the voting this year, Scotty Barnes is going

to be probably on the outside looking in.

He is 40th in the NBA in points per game, but that is not the only thing that matters

in basketball, less, and I do think, when you start to dig into the underlying data,

when you dig into the two-way contributions of Scotty Barnes versus other guys, there's

a real case that there are not even close to 15 guys in the NBA who have driven winning

more effectively than Scotty Barnes this season.

His on-off differentials are incredible, the Raptors are, you know, basically like a

better than 50-win team when he's on the floor in a not good at all team when he's off.

It's like an 8.9 point on-off differential for him.

When you compare that to some of the best players in the league, I kind of went to clean

the glass and sorted players with more than 1200 minutes play, which maybe is low because

usually you're looking at north of 2000 minutes for all NBA consideration, but to paint

a broad brush here, you know, among guys who you'd consider in the running for all NBA,

Scotty's like eighth in total on-off differential behind guys like Jalen Durran, Shagel, Dysalexander,

Kauai-Lendered, Nicola Yoke, Schmickter, Wemba, and Yama, actually, so that's what sixth

like he's like very highly ranked among guys who are principal players on their teams.

And of course, they're winning basketball games in Toronto this year again.

We've talked at length about the very clear first-team all defense case, the Fringe defensive

player, the year case and the event.

NBA doesn't make the 65 games and all of that.

I also always know that these award conversations tend to skew homerish, and so that's why I brought

you on.

You're a national media voice.

Yes.

I need your national media unbiased opinion.

Am I crazy?

Like, again, the points aren't there, even like these totals aren't like knocking your

socks off, but just in terms of total raw impact on winning, which is I think what we should

try to be awarding with all NBA, there are not 15 guys who have done more than Scotty

Barnes has done for the Toronto Raptors this season.

What's that you do to that?

Well, I think he's been one of the four best defenders in the NBA this season.

And you genuinely, for a couple of portions of this season, could argue he was the best

defender in the NBA this season.

And so that, by virtue of, like, you mentioned the on-off numbers, obviously everybody knows

the stock numbers and his ability to rack up blocks and steels.

Last I checked, he was near the top of league in deflection, so he still is doing that at

an alarming rate as well.

How he's able to boy everything the Raptors do defensively, while not necessarily having

the defensive talent that some of those other defensive player of the year candidates have.

To me, is an incredible case for one being an all defense member and two, potentially

landing on a defensive player's year ballot.

Now that is one aspect that I voters will end up losing out on.

Like the NBA voters, to your point about points per game bias, they will just forget that

aspect that like, hey, defense matters here.

It ends up being two-way play.

And to your point, scoring is going to hurt Scotty Barnes's case.

You know, I was just looking it up, but like, of players who average more than like 18,

five and five.

And there's only like a handful of players that do it.

Scotty is one of them.

He scores the least out of all of them, you know?

Luca Donchic, 33 points per game, Jalen Brown, 29 points per game, Yokecitch, 28, Yannis,

who won't be eligible for these situations, 28 points per game, Jalen Johnson, even 23 points

per game.

Like, there's scoring is going to matter.

And this is actually something I've been talking about because a lot of the conversation has

been about points, Scotty, and I know we're going to get into that.

But so much of his playmaking depends on how good of a score he is on any given night.

And how much pressure he's able to put on defenses to score.

That's an evolving process for Scotty Barnes still.

He has not gotten to that level as a score to be able to put pressure on defenses to enable

truthfully the playmaking.

That's already awesome to be great.

So I have, I have a bunch of first team, second team, third team, and you can yell at

me if you disagree.

Yeah.

Let's just do.

We did this game with our pal Trill a few weeks back playing.

Who better when it comes to all defense cases for Scotty Barnes?

Scotty Barnes.

So we'll, we'll do it with this too.

Okay.

SGA, obviously, Nicola Yochic, Victor Wombanyama, Luca Doncic, and because Kate Cunningham

is no longer eligible, I have Kauai Leonard as my first team, all NBA member, to round things

up.

How do you do that?

Entirely fair.

I would say it's either Kauai, Jalen Brown, or Donovan Mitchell is probably the, the sort

of guys in the running for the last first team spot.

Totally fair.

I would agree with you.

Yes.

And that's why second team starts off with Anthony Edwards.

Donovan Mitchell, Jalen Brown, Kevin Durant, and Tyrese Maxi.

How do you feel?

Still there.

Still good.

Yeah.

I think that that all checks out as well.

Like if Scotty makes it, it's going to be 13, and I think that is totally fair.

So this again, this is where it gets interesting.

I would have Devon Booker on the third team.

I think we just talked about this guy, Jamal Murray.

He's been awesome.

He should be on the third team.

And then it is kind of open in my opinion, you know, I would, I would probably

throw Jalen Johnson into this conversation.

He has been awesome.

Chet Holmgren, who ends up as a defensive player, the year candidate, also has a very similar

case to Scotty in the sense that he's scoring isn't necessarily as adept, but clear, defensive

value.

Let me stop you on the Chet Holmgren thing.

You don't like it?

Because I think it's absolutely absurd that he would get consideration over Scotty Barnes.

And I kind of think the only reason he would get consideration over Scotty Barnes is

this like, well, a thunder half to half to all NBA guys thing, which is like, no, they

don't have to do anything like, yeah, his scoring is way less self-created than Scotty

Barnes.

He has less offensive burden on his plate because the whole thing with a thunder is watch

shade, do stuff and then play off of that.

And defensively, yeah, he's excellent, but also he's playing with an entire like a horde

of some of the best defenders alive around him.

Yeah, Scotty Barnes is playing with RJ Barrett and Brandon Ingram and the manual quickly

in front of him.

That's, that's honestly my case for him over Scotty over Chet for defense player, the

year.

It works on both ends.

And so yeah, I think like, to me, it's absurd that Chet Holmgren would get consideration

over Scotty Barnes when you just consider, consider like pure impact on winning Scotty Barnes

is the best player on a team that is likely to be the five seed, no worse than the six seed

at this rate.

And Chet Holmgren is the second best player on a team.

Yes, it's incredible, but like, Shagel, his Alexander is the reason why that team is so

good.

I know when he's on the floor, they're good, you know, there's not a huge drop-up, etc,

but just like the depth of that roster is insane.

I think it's ridiculous.

And you can say, I'm a homer for that one, but I don't think that's that homery.

I think it's just like looking at their context and saying, what Scotty Barnes is doing

within his context is infinitely more impressive.

And if you swap the two guys around, if Chet Holmgren were in the Scotty Barnes position

on the Toronto Raptors, this is like a 34-win team.

That is, that is unequivocally true.

And also, I would probably argue that the, the Thunder would be just as good, you know?

Like, they would be just as good.

Maybe even better.

Maybe even better.

Yeah.

They have a second guy who can dribble the basketball, so, you know, exactly.

So look, that's where I think the debate starts.

I would probably have Devon Booker, Jamal Murray, and Jalen Johnson ahead of Scotty Barnes.

I think Jalen Johnson's raw numbers are just overwhelming for all NBA voters to just

be like, how, what am I supposed to do with 22, basically 10 and 10?

I was reading the, listen to the Hawks broadcast last night, and he is one of the only players

to be in the top 20 in each category.

So he's scoring well, rebounding well, assisting well, and obviously now the Hawks are in

playoff contention.

So I would, personally, I would have Jalen Johnson as like a head of Scotty Barnes in this

conversation.

Not saying Jalen Johnson is a better player than Scotty Barnes, but just if we're talking

about seasons, it feels like Jalen should be ahead of Scotty here.

How do you feel?

Yeah, that's fair.

I think, you know, Scotty's obviously like a significantly better defensive player, but

Jalen's clearly more of an offensive engine, and that's fine, and the numbers are what

they are.

I think that's totally fair.

I do want to talk to you about the Devon Booker thing coming up here in just a second

here.

Because I think there's an interesting one there to kind of dive into, specifically

as it pertains to number of minutes played, and whether that should matter at all.

We'll talk about Scotty versus Devon Booker and continue to sort out whether Scotty has

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All right.

Yes.

Devon Booker.

I'm not against him being ahead of Scotty Barnes in this conversation to be clear.

I think he's been fantastic.

I have a huge Devon Booker head and the sons have been one of the great surprises of the

season.

But I do think there's something to kind of dig into here.

Scotty Barnes has played 72 of 74 games, he's played nearly 2500 minutes will be well

over that by the time the season comes to an end.

Devon Booker has played under 2000 minutes as it stands right now, 1963, 61st in the

league and minutes played 59 games, he will probably get to the minimum 65, although you

know, never know can happen in the final handful of games here.

They have seven games left on their schedule, so we should be all right.

But I don't know, does it matter to you that Scotty Barnes just played that many more

minutes over the course of 82 games in Devon Booker?

Does this matter for all NBA to you or are you just kind of going like players at their

peak?

I can kind of go either way with it and I think it's kind of a case by case basis, but what's

your sort of read on this one?

Does it matter to me?

Yes.

Does it matter to voters?

I don't think so.

I think like basically as you get to the 65 game rule, it's just if you're eligible,

you're eligible, if you're not, you're not, and then voters will go through that and try

to parse through who's been the best of that bunch and I mean, like based on offensive

responsibility, Devon Booker is obviously clear of what Scotty Barnes has had to do

even despite the aspect of Brandon Ingram.

He's a damn good defender too for his position.

I do.

I do think he's an underrated defender for his position, especially because of the usage

that he has offensively.

Like it just, it makes sense.

I do wonder whether eventually we will shift to total minutes versus games played.

Like that just feels like the rational thing to do.

It's right.

One, rewarding players who play more and two players who play longer.

So it just, I feel like eventually we have to shift from the 65 game rule to minutes played

and that would probably help a case like Scotty Barnes over Devon Booker.

But I just, I think as it stands, I would still probably go book over Scott.

Yeah.

That's fair.

By the way, Scottie's ninth of the entire NBA minutes played, which is a pretty big

deal.

Very high.

So yeah, I think we've established Jalen Johnson, Devon Booker, Jamal Murray as the three

guys on the third team that we probably put ahead of Scotty.

Do you have two more guys that you can reasonably put ahead of Scotty that I'm not just going

to slap down like prime to Ken Bay right now?

Well, look, I put together a list of like guys who he's in consideration with.

Chad Holmgren was in that list.

So you already smack down, Chad Holmgren.

How about Jalen Duren for the Detroit Pistons number one seed?

He's been relatively healthy, is obviously turned into an all star, basically a 2010 player

every single night, absurdly efficient also, he's shooting like, it feels like he's shooting

100% from the field Jalen Duren.

How do you feel?

I think that's a good shout.

I still would probably default to the guy who's the best player on a team versus the guy

who's the second best player on a team in most cases.

I have a bunch of those, by the way, the rest of this group ends up being the second best

player on this team.

So I'll just I'll go ahead and tell you by the time we finish this, I would not be surprised

if Jalen Duren and Scotty Barnes of the two guys, I think, should fill out the third

team.

Right.

Other guys, Carl Anthony Towns for the New York Knicks.

I think that's a tough one.

I agree, but it's just a name you have to mention.

Yeah, he's very, very good and also drives us the entire city of New York, absolutely

bonkers.

And yeah, I love towns.

I got I'm always going to be a town's defender, but I think in the context of all NBA this

year, I'm not quite there.

Alper and Shenguin are the Houston Rockets.

Get lost.

I don't agree with this.

I'm just putting his name out because I don't want, I mean, I don't think any rockets

fans are going to be listening right now anyways.

But just the rockets fans even like him, the guy who shoots like barely 50% is a big

man.

Yeah, no, it's it is bad.

And his efficiency is very bad too.

Like his scoring is relatively the same as Scotty's.

I think they're both at around 18, 19 points per game, but the efficiency is just not

there from Shenguin.

I wouldn't have Shenguin in there over Scotty.

I'm just throwing his name out just like, I don't know.

We have to index for like the amount of joy that you get from watching a player.

And I don't know if there's a single more joyless player to watch right now than Alper

and Shenguin.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I totally agree with you.

Bam out of bio.

Get.

I mean, the 83 points thing is going to probably warp some people's brain.

It will help.

It will help.

It'll be dumb if that happens, but like, I don't know, man, but I will say to give bet.

And I can't believe I'm doing the anti Scotty stuff.

I was here to talk about Scotty Barnes's all NBA.

But this is what you get for being one of these damn national media.

Yeah, you're right.

And just always hating on the raptors.

You just carry forward the tradition.

This is what national media gets pegged into.

Anyways, whatever.

Doesn't matter.

The heat have had a great defense.

Sure.

This season, very similar to what, but like the box score, raw numbers, the block steels

assist.

They aren't there for them, but he is obviously the linchpin of their defense.

Definitely.

They don't, they don't, they aren't as good defensively if he's not there.

And of course, he scored 83 points and he, he's like, his offense has looked better

in the second half of the season.

So that's probably, it looks better when you play the Wizards, but yeah.

Their schedule is ridiculous, easy.

So easy.

It was nuts.

The other guy, I know you'll hate this, but Lamello Ball is the other player.

And I actually, I don't even know if Lamello is going to be eligible.

I, I said that without even checking, but I, I don't know.

Yeah, Lamello will be eligible 65 games.

He's already played.

Yeah.

What didn't you say that Con Caniple is like the more deserving Olympia player, just on

his own team?

I, yes.

I agree with that.

I just feel weird putting an all NBA, a rookie in all NBA.

You don't put either of them.

And that's fine.

And we let the Hornets be next year's darlings.

They are the 10 seed, of course.

Yes.

I know they've been like the, the hot shots over the last of a while.

Bill Simmons is, you know, kind of driving the propaganda, like it's the very Celtics themselves

that he's talking about.

But like, trading Con Caniple, like he's Larry Bird, yes, exactly.

Yeah.

And like, also, they were terrible for the first two months of the season.

Like that has to be factored in here.

I know a recency bias plays in a lot, but yeah, I don't know, man, I think it's okay to

leave the guys from the 10th seed or the 9th seed off the team.

Like we're not looking at Orlando Magic players to be putting on here.

Yeah.

I'm kind of you in the same thing.

I know there's like zero separation between the 10th seed and the 5th seed.

But, you know, there's that line in the standings.

That's enough separation for me, baby.

The final guy I have on this list is Denny Obdia.

Just worth mentioning because he's averaging 24.7 rebounds and seven misses.

Yeah.

And what are 14 of those points coming after doing this with the ball in his hand?

Yeah.

And to check that, let's say he is averaging, he is averaging nearly 10 free throws a game.

He's absurd.

And his usage is great.

Talk about joyless players to watch.

Yeah.

Yes.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

And they're not going to be 500.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

If you have a negative point differential as a team, I think I'm out on your all NBA case

as well.

And so, yeah, like, again, I know it sound like a homer, but I mostly, this is like, maybe

it's kind of latent irritation over Kyle Lowry, making all NBA in 2019, 20, well, Ben

Simmons made it.

Just like, I don't I feel like just like names and large scoring totals get guys onto

all NBA when they shouldn't because we should reward, like, value to winning.

And I think Scotty Barnes, like the case for his value to winning is pretty unassailable,

I think.

I agree.

It's going to take a lot for someone.

And I have heard like Evan Mowbley thrown out, like, we kidding.

No, I don't think this year, he should be not a chance.

Yeah.

And so, yeah, I think you want to go Scotty Barnes, Jalen Durn has the last two guys on

all NBA 13.

I think that's probably the rightful way to do it.

Well, it actually happened that way.

I don't know, but I don't know of the names that I mentioned.

I'll ask you this, of the names that I mentioned, which player do you think has the more legitimate?

Because I agree with you, it should be Durn and Scotty Barnes, which player has the

more, has the best chance to use Serp run through them again for me.

So chat home grin.

And I think chat probably is the thunder element and they have to have two guys shut up.

I agree with you that chat is probably the guy.

Yeah.

And hey, maybe it's Scotty and chat and that's fine and Jalen Durn gets left off and that

is what it is.

But yeah, I think it's one of those three guys.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know.

We should just like reward winning and all these guys win.

But Scotty Barnes wins his minutes pretty significantly and drives winning.

It has impact.

Well, you hear Jamal Mosley before the game on Sunday, just kind of talk about the immense

impact that he has and Will Hardy talked about it too, right?

Just like the sort of, he wanted like a full soliloquy about the impact of Scotty Barnes.

If coaches recognize that, I know they don't vote for this stuff, but I feel like that

has to matter in sort of the calculus of it all too.

I think it would be, again, it wouldn't be like the greatest catastrophe of all time.

If he doesn't make all NBA, that was Kyle Lowry missing in 2019-20, but I think it would

be kind of unjust if he didn't make it over somebody's events.

I think more unjust would be if he doesn't make first team all defense.

I think at this point he's gonna, but yeah, that would be pretty absurd too, I think.

You know, and look, if we get to just like fire back up the mid-20-10s, everyone hates

the Raptors train and do that thing again, we can do that.

It's fine.

We were comfortable doing that here in Toronto as much as I think it sucks normally.

But hey, when it's justified, it's justified.

We'll come back here, S. I want to quickly talk about how much of a thing Scotty can bolster

his case down the stretch with this whole point Scotty Renaissance thing, plus a quick

thought on Messiah Giri becoming a principal owner of the Toronto temple.

We'll do that to close things up just a sec.

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Let's talk Scotty Barnes and the whole point Scotty thing.

We were talking about a bit of the game on Sunday.

It's been a lot of fun.

He's just racking up them dimes and guiding the offense in a pretty delightful to watch

away, frankly, even with his limitations as a shooter and all of that.

Do you think there's room for him to bolster his all NBA case over the final eight games,

which doesn't feel like a lot of games.

Maybe a lot of people's minds are already made up, but like that's 10% of the season and

it's in the midst of a playoff race.

Do you think there is like a boosting of Scotty's all NBA case that can be done, understanding

that recency bias does often play into a lot of this stuff?

If he can get his scoring up, yes, I would agree, because the scoring has been good alongside

the assist, right?

He added usage has helped him get his scoring up.

It's also helped him get to pretty good, like, gaudy assist numbers.

So if he can get like above 19 points per game right now, he's hovering at, I believe,

18.6.

If he can get to 19, maybe even more than 19, then I think it does absolutely bolster his

case.

I heard you guys talking about it.

You have a vac about like points, Scotty, what does that mean and all that?

I, truthfully, I really think if Scotty were to become the full potential version of him,

it's being the guy who can score the ball just as well as he can make passes.

And I know that's true.

Sure thing to maybe suggest because of how good of a passer he is, but he will go as far

as his scoring goes.

And even in that Orlando game, knocking down two, pull up threes in the first quarter, really

opened up the rest of the game.

He was pushing in transition.

Defences had to react to it a little bit differently.

That opens up so much more for him in pick and roll scenarios because teams are a little

bit more keyed in on it.

He pays, he plays with a pace that allows him, you know, we were just making fun of Denny

Avdia, getting nine free throws.

But there's no reason Scotty Barnes can't be a free throw merchant, you know, that's true.

And like maybe that would be gross, but at the same time, he can do it like that's that's

a capable thing that he can do is draw fouls.

It's with his level of physicality and how relentless he can be at getting to the basket.

So the scoring in certain matchups is clearly there.

How can you do it against every single matchup?

And that's the way that he bolsters his, his case over the next final eight games.

I'm sure you've talked about this a bunch, but they play a pretty decent group here between

Celtics and the Nix and they play the heat twice.

If he can put up good numbers against those teams, national media will pay attention.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Things in the nets in the Grizzlies, maybe they'd let him go bam-mode in one of those games.

Sure.

You know, post the stats those way.

I mean, bam's at 20 points a game because of that game.

He otherwise would have been at like 18.4.

So yeah, let's see it happen.

Yeah, like I think, look, if you finish strong and the Raptors finish with the five seed

and they win, you know, a good majority of the remaining games and Scotty's doing this

still while dealing with the injuries they're dealing with, like I think that can help

his case, not that I think, as I've talked about today, I don't know if his case needs

all that much more help to be a legitimate case, but certainly can't hurt if they close

strong.

There have been crazier things that we've seen all NBA-wise than a player having a really

strong final couple of weeks in a playoff chase and kind of solidifying a spot.

Let's quickly last thing here.

Some news this morning in sort of the Raptors' ether.

Messiah Jerry, former Toronto Raptors Grand Puba, is back with a Toronto basketball team

as a principal owner of the Toronto Tempo, very cool stuff.

He's also launching Tempo Rising, which is a coaching mentorship program for women

in non-binary coaches in the grassroots level, extremely rad.

It's nice to see Messiah Jerry back.

It's nice to see Messiah Jerry back in a way that Ed Rogers can't do a damn thing about

it.

I don't know, your quick impressions on this news other than, wow, it sure rocks.

Messiah Jerry's back in the mix with a Toronto basketball team.

No, it's awesome.

He said we will win in Toronto, and we will win again in Toronto, and he's living up to

that.

He's going to try and win in Toronto once again, so I'll go shooting stars next.

That's right.

That's right.

Yes, yes.

I love the fact that he's staying here, you know.

He has talked about how much he's made Toronto a home and his family is made Toronto a home.

I'm sure there were a plethora of opportunities elsewhere, and he decided to kind of stay

and cobble up some money and become an owner of the Toronto tempo, which is definitely a

step up from what he was doing with the Toronto Raptors, even though I know so much of the

conversation around the Raptors and him were like contract negotiations and how much money

and et cetera, et cetera.

One of the interesting side effects to the tempo being here and being a completely different

organization to the Raptors and MLSC is that I'm curious whether there will be a relative

brain drain of sports organizations, and I'm not just talking about MLSC, but I'm talking

about like Candidate Basketball and the different broadcast crews and everything like that.

People will want to go and work for the Toronto tempo, you know, and how do you backfill those

jobs?

And that's just something interesting to kind of consider as you're working, you're looking

at the Raptors and what they might have to build moving forward.

There's a lot of jobs that come with that organization, you know, whether it's PR, whether

it's marketing, whether it's sales, whether it's finance, cap sheet, whatever.

If they are hiring from within, I believe actually the tempo hired an assistant coach

from TMU or like Harley Clark, yeah.

Harley Clark, yeah.

How do you sports ball?

Yeah.

Like that's another level of brain.

It creates opportunities for others, but at the same time, it creates kind of like a vacuum

of how do we fill someone who was doing very well at their job already, you know?

So yeah, well, I mean, the hope there, I think, is that, you know, similar to I think

sort of the concerns of, you know, Miss size is going to leave and the Raptors organization

is going to fall to bits.

Like I think the hope was always there that he's kind of built something that can almost

sustain itself with, you know, kind of what they've done over the years.

And I think the way Canada basketball has ratcheted up in basically every level of the

sport from the very low end to the CBL to you sports, like you would think that there

is now just like enough burgeoning talent to kind of naturally fill in those spots, like

shark's teeth filling in for teeth that have been lost during a shark attack, right?

Like I think there's, you know, I watch a lot of Planet Earth documentary.

I had no idea that was a thing.

I don't know.

The sharks do that.

That's awesome.

Oh, yeah.

You could come back in this summer for Sean's Planet Earth takes the best television

show ever created.

But yeah, I do think there's like an element of it being a little self-sustaining now.

You know, we'll see that that actually holds true.

But, you know, there are a lot of just like, you know, speaking of Carly Clark and the

TMU and the UT stuff, like, you know, there's just like, there's always going to be like,

I think, talented assistants in you sports basketball.

I mean, we're seeing or I think Daniel Boyego, former assistant with McMaster just got

hired with the Portland fire, like there's, I just think there's a lot of talent there.

And I think the CBL in particular has been a really great sort of fostering ground for

coaching talent as well.

Absolutely.

Cheating talent, all that stuff.

Like, I think there are sort of fundamental things in place and sort of fence posts that

didn't exist maybe 10, 20 years ago that kind of set it up for this to be a little bit

more of a self-sustaining thing.

And hopefully the brain drain is not something you're going to see.

And by the way, this is something that's exciting too, because like more jobs fire.

Like, yeah, give people more opportunity.

It's just like that exists.

There's excitement.

And there's this sort of idea of like, okay, if Messiah is going there, some people will

follow, you know, so totally, yeah, so that's just something to think of.

Ed Rogers won't follow when you tell you that.

Ed Rogers not liking Messiah Jerry, like most glaring red flag ever hauled up a mat.

We can leave it there.

As always a pleasure, my friend, thanks for coming on and letting me tell you why Scotty

Barnes is better than Chet Hungry.

Hey, by the way, by the way, the 905 play playoff basketball.

Yes.

Lock in tonight.

Yeah.

The night.

Unfortunately, it doesn't feel like AJ Lawson or Elijah Martin will be playing in that

game because they'll be with the pistons Raptors game, which sucks, I will say.

But hopefully they win.

We'll see.

Yeah.

It's been exciting stuff.

And yeah, you will be hosting that game.

Correct.

And you're in Arena hype man thing, which you're very, very good at.

Thank you.

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