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Jaxon Smith-Njigba just became the highest-paid wide receiver in NFL history at $42.15M per year—but the real story is how the Seattle Seahawks made it work.
Richard Sherman breaks down why the deal is effectively closer to $32M annually, how John Schneider cleared cap space by moving on from DK Metcalf, Kenneth Walker III, Boye Mafe, and Coby Bryant, and what it means for paying stars like Devon Witherspoon next. What happens when a “slot receiver” becomes Offensive Player of the Year and a Super Bowl champion? Sherman explains why expectations change—and why JSN’s mindset (“What’s better than one Super Bowl? Two”) justifies the price.
Plus, why role players like Jake Bobo still matter in a star-heavy locker room, how Mike Macdonald’s system and Sam Darnold’s playoff form give Seattle real dynasty potential, and why getting ahead of the market with Witherspoon could be the next move. We also break down the San Francisco 49ers’ cap strategy with Trent Williams, why this is more about flexibility than conflict, and how they’re trying to avoid future dead money.
Then: Team USA flag football dominates NFL talent—why it’s a completely different game, which NFL players could actually thrive in the Olympics, and what Odell Beckham Jr. still brings as a veteran option.
Finally, Sherman reacts to his Emmy nomination.
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Jackson Smith and Jigbo becomes the highest paid receiver
in the National Football League's illustrious history
at $42.15 million per year.
The Seahawks did a great job getting this deal done early enough
that it only looks like $32 million a year.
If you do it over the lifetime of the deal,
which is an absolute bargain for a receiver
that just one offensive player of the year
is only trending up, only going to continue to grow rapport
and relationship with Sam Darnold and continue to thrive.
I think this is this receiving court.
Now, it's a well-paid receiving court,
Mitchell, but with Jackson Smith and Jigbo had $42.15 million a year.
You got Shaheed at $17 a year.
You got Cooper Cup at $15 million a year.
And then you, they matched Bobo's deal to bring him back.
They're going to have to produce.
That's for sure.
Now, you know, it's always nice when you win
and you do crazy things and you do great things
and the expectations aren't there.
That it's not a huge burden of expectation.
But when you get paid, when you get paid like Shaheed
and like Cooper Cup and like Jackson just got paid,
now the expectations and the criticisms
that come with those expectations start to ramp up.
But I think they're ready for it.
I think their boys have another fantastic year.
They're not going to surprise anybody this year.
I'm not going to have to go to training camp and come back
and get on this podcast and say, hey, Mitchell, they look great
because everybody knows that they look like you just want
a Super Bowl.
This is a great deal for the team.
I think this this helps them long term.
I think they're going to do the same thing with Devon
Witherspoon.
I don't see any reason why they wouldn't get a deal done there.
But this is this is incredible.
And and Jackson seems to be ready to to repeat
his energy's right, his mindset's right.
He's the right, he's built the right stuff.
So I'm looking forward to seeing them thrive even more
this season with with the burden of expectations
they'll have on them.
After after last year, you know, about this same time
last year, we're talking about, you know,
them getting rid of Geno, them trading DK Medcalf
and all the things that that happened that season.
If you if you would have told me a year later,
we'd be talking about the Super Bowl champion Seattle
Seahawks and Jackson Smith and Jigba coming off
offensive player to year season, being named the highest
paid player and receiver in the National Football League.
I would just call it crazy just because at that point,
he was the number, you know, two, three receiver.
He was mostly used in the slot.
Just hadn't shown, I mean, he's shown the ability.
Obviously in college, he had a 300 yard game.
But he hadn't been given the opportunity to showcase
his ability in the way that he was this year.
And he you talk about a guy just taking the bull by the horns.
And that's exactly what he did.
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And he's one of those guys.
Clearly he's all football.
One asked, you know, you want to offensive player the year.
You won the Super Bowl.
Now that he's the highest paid water receiver in the league.
What are you going to do next?
His response was one Super Bowl.
What's better than one Super Bowl too?
So Richard Seattle is obviously getting a pro here.
A pro's pro.
He's well worth the money.
And I know the money on its face seems like a lot.
But the money on its face seems like a lot a few years ago.
When I remember when the Lions resigned on Mount Ross St. Brown
and gave him $30 million a year.
And all of a sudden that became the next threshold for receivers.
Now that $40 million mark is that next threshold.
So the receivers getting paid after him.
Pukin' a Kua, you know, we'll see.
I don't know the other big names.
I know George Pickens just got franchise.
I know he won't be in that tier.
But I would expect some of these guys
to be making some eye-popping numbers
that make fans, you know, wonder what the heck is going on.
But that's just the nature of the beast.
As the cap space goes up.
These margins go up a lot higher for these skill positions.
But ultimately you alluded to it
throughout our offseason talk, Richard.
And we were looking at, you know,
how Seattle was positioning themselves in free agency.
And obviously they let a little bit of their depth walk.
They let Kenneth Walker walk.
They let Boa Moppy walk.
They let Kobe Bryant walk, etc.
You know, all for this reason
because they got to pay the big man in the room.
And that's JSN, you know, Richard, break it down for fans
so they can better understand, you know,
the financial ramifications of offloading this much cap space
onto a team and what it does.
The trickle-down effect that it has on the rest of the roster.
You know, some say it kills the middle class
in the national football league.
But I think John Snyder is doing an incredible job.
He did an incredible job of getting this deal done early.
So, you know, I know it's high spade in the history of the game,
but then you look at it over the next six years.
It's $32 million a year, which is a very reasonable price
for a receiver.
And it's in line with other receivers in the league.
You look at George Pickens getting the franchise tag.
I think he's going to be looking at $31.32 million a year.
Once he gets off of that, I think it's going to be fine.
But this is the exact reason you can't keep a good player
like Kobe Bryant.
You can't keep a Super Boeing VP, like Kenneth Walker.
And you got a draft well.
You got a draft well.
You got to trust your depth.
You got to trust the guys you sign in free agency
that they can pick up the slack.
I know they feel good about Taya Cotta in terms of
what he can do in Kobe Bryant instead.
Obviously they have a lot of love and respect for Kobe Bryant
and he's going to be fantastic in Chicago.
But that's why you draft well.
That's why you got to trust your depth.
That's why you train the next guy.
That's why it's always next man up mentality
because when you have guys playing at an all pro,
you know, offensive player to your type level,
you're going to have to pay him.
You're going to have to pay Devin with her spoon.
And when you pay Devin with her spoon,
then it means you're going to expect more.
You're going to have to lean on those guys more because
you're not able to pay everybody else as much.
So, you know, that's what what happened in San Francisco.
When you're paying your best players, it's fine.
But when you pay your best players and the guy you guys
you're playing aren't on the field,
then it's very difficult to win the National Football League.
And so this is going to work out fine.
I think their window is wide open.
I think they have a great chance to run it back Mike McDonald's
system works.
I don't think the NFL has caught up to it.
Obviously, they're still looking for answers.
But when you when you have a full all season to study a team
and to study a defense,
they're going to be looking for the few weaknesses
that they can expose and try to force him to adjust.
That's the part of being a great team and being at the top
of the mountain.
That's that's a little frustrating because everybody's
studying you.
Everybody's trying to figure out how to beat you and and
create the next championship dynasty.
Can this team be a dynasty?
I believe so.
I believe so because they have something they have a repeatable
system.
You know, it's not like anything they did was incredibly
difficult to replicate.
You know, they they ran the ball well at times.
Sam donor.
I think will be better this year than he was last year.
He had 20 turnovers during the season,
which was among the league leaders and then didn't turn
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So again, if he plays at the level that he played in the
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at General Manager and John Schneider.
Last offseason, he kind of stuck his neck on the line.
Trading DK Metcalf to the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Some folks kind of looked and wondered,
you know, what's the plan here?
Obviously getting rid of Geno.
I mean, in hindsight, both of those moves
allowed them to make a move like this and extending JSN.
Because DK Metcalf's another guy
making $33 million a year.
So you free up that cap space to be able to keep JSN.
And it's an addition by subtraction kind of thing.
You're given JSN a lot more opportunity there
and clearly proved he was that guy.
You know, is there anything that you looked off
of last offseason that should have been done differently
for John Schneider and the C-OX?
Or do you think he just grade A aced it?
I mean, he's aced the last three years.
Four years.
That's why they're in a position they are
because he's drafted really well.
They've made really shrewd trades
that have benefited them in a big way.
They've taken care of the positions
that you got to take care of, which is offensive line
and defensive line.
You know, it's not sexy to draft a guard in the first round,
but when you do, you solidify your offensive line
in an incredible way
and you solidify the culture of your offensive line.
And that's what they brought in with greysable.
I mean, you just hear how the guys in the building
talk about him and how he's changed things
and brought them together
and certain things he's forced them to hang out
and be together because that's all he knows.
You know, he's one of those old school cut-off
and defensive linemen that's like,
hey, we got to sit there and we got to drink beer together.
We got to hang out.
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Hey, it's not a glamorous job,
but goddamn it, somebody got to do it.
You got to love to have those guys on the team.
Richard, another low key move that this team made
this week is they resigned Jake Bobo.
And I know Bobo filled in
and it had a pretty decent role with this team
as a reserve wide receiver.
He's certainly made a name for himself
in the preseason.
How much do you think the Seattle Seahawks like this guy?
I mean, what do you really think he brings to the team?
I know there was a lot of criticism,
you know, with this 40 time and all that stuff
and he put a lot of those fears to bed this past year.
But what do you think Jake Bobo
and his resigning needs to this team?
It means a ton, you know, in a lot of phases.
He does, he does the dirty work.
You know, he's just one of those blue collar guys
who brings his lunch bell every day and goes to work.
He's a guy that makes an incredible impact
on special teams.
But at receiver, he has plays.
He has moments where he's a factor
and he's not going to get, you know,
100 targets or anything like that.
But some guys are for the culture,
for the culture of the team.
You know, those are the guys, the nuts and bolts guys.
And he's one of those guys that are a blue guy
and really help hold this team together
in critical moments that you really don't notice
until those moments come up.
And you're like, oh man, look at Bobo.
Just score to touchdown in the playoffs.
And you're like, he might have had 15 catches
the whole year and he scored a touchdown in the playoffs.
And again, he's reliable where he needs to be.
There's no complaints.
And he's just a do shit right guy and you need those.
Richard, the one question we have coming up next
and the big question for the Seattle Seahawks
is what to do with Evan Weather Spoon.
We just saw Mick Duffy get paid
an exorbitant amount of money by the LA Rams
after being traded over from the Kansas City Chiefs,
setting a new mark at that corner.
After this JSN move, you know,
what do you do with Evan Weather Spoon?
Do you re-up him and what do you anticipate?
He makes, you know, during his extension.
Is he another guy that you would set the market with again?
How would you handle the situation
if you're John Schneider?
I mean, you would try not to set the market,
but again, if you get it done early enough,
then the years after the deal are the market setter.
So say he gets $32 million a year
over the next four years and they do it this year.
Again, when you have a couple years left on your deal,
when you have a year or two left on your deal,
it makes a big difference.
And I think when you look at it over the lifetime of the deal,
it looks like a much more reasonable deal.
So again, I think he's going to get a deal,
a record-setting deal, no question about it.
I think John Schneider is being very smart
about how he does these things
and why he's doing it so early
to give him flexibility down the road.
And again, allow him to continue to draft well,
continue to replenish the cupboard,
but also keep his guys happy.
Keep his best players happy.
Why do you think there's been a movement away
from teams like the Seattle Seahawks,
franchising players?
Because a lot of fans, when you hear the talk,
specifically in a running back market,
why wouldn't you just franchise tag a guy like Kenneth Walker?
What's, why is it that we're not seeing
as many teams franchise tag guys, do you think?
Yeah, I don't really have a great answer for this
because each team's philosophy is so different,
but I think the Seahawks just want more long-term stability.
And I think that's the way John Schneider is thinking
about things, he's thinking about the long-term future.
I mean, a one-year franchise tag,
it puts more guaranteed money on the books
that you can't manipulate, you can't push forward,
you can't do anything like that.
And they've done a fantastic job.
They're the lowest team in dead money,
the lowest dead money team in the National Football League,
the lowest amount of dead money.
And the reason is because he's been incredibly shrewd
in the way he's done contracts.
And I don't think he wants to be in a situation
where he can't have flexibility,
even if it's just for a year with the running back position
and to pay a number that he's not comfortable with.
Because even if you're paying top dollar,
if you got voidable years, if you got structure,
the way you structure it,
you still have some flexibility.
But in a franchise tag, there's very little.
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And we're going to talk a little bit about you
because for all of our listeners out there,
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Richard Sherman was just nominated for an Emmy.
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Richard, talk a little bit about how much it means
you to be nominated for something like this for the Emmy.
Obviously you were a hell of a football player.
You began working in the media shortly after retirement
and you've been kicking ass.
What does it mean to you to be named as a nominee
for an Emmy at this stage, this early on
in your media career?
Well, it's incredibly humbling and it means a ton.
But it's just a testament to the product
and the team we have at Thursday night football.
It's such a joy to come to work every day
to work with Carissa, Tony, Fitz, Whit, Taylor,
you know, the entire staff.
There's so many incredible people behind the scenes
putting in work making sure we're in a position
where we're making sure that we have an incredible
product where we're prepared, everything is running.
Everything is where it's supposed to be.
My guy, BK, making sure, you know, whether it's the graphics
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or they're switching to the right channel.
And I think that's what I'm trying to do.
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It's, you know, Carissa's obviously the glue
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So I'm just grateful to be a part of such an amazing team
and to be nominated for an Emmy is a really cool deal.
But it's just more of a testament to the entire product
that we get to put out there every week
and it's a joy to do it.
Well, I'm excited to see you win it.
Like I said, you have my vote, Rich.
You got my vote.
Let's talk a little about it.
That's what matters.
Yes, sir.
Let's talk a little bit about these San Francisco 49ers.
You know, the big news in San Francisco right now
is what's going on with Trent Williams.
You know, obviously he's entering the last year.
His contract, he's got a huge cap hit.
The 49ers declined his $10 million option,
which basically moves that $10 million
into his current base salary.
You know, the option was in there to give him some flexibility
if they wanted to extend that out for three more void years.
So they're choosing to take the cap hit
all up front this year.
What do you make of the strategy here?
What do you think John Lynch is positioning himself
in this team for?
To continue to be a very competitive football team,
I think they've gotten frustrated not with Trent Williams
but just with the dead money situation
that they've run into year after year after year.
I think they've been amongst the top dead money teams
for the last few years
because of Javon Hargraves' contract, Debo Samu.
You know, so many guys that they've had to part ways with
for whatever reason,
but they're trying to get away from that.
So I don't think they want to throw more dead money
into the future.
I think they're trying to take their licks now.
I don't think, but again, I haven't talked to John or Kyle.
But I don't, I obviously don't see them
getting rid of Trent Williams.
Trent feels like he has a tremendous amount of leverage.
Obviously, the longer these negotiations go on,
the less leverage I think Trent has
because teams are going to spend the money.
They're going to spend the money.
They're going to get pay guys.
They're going to start to plan for next year.
They're going to start to think,
hey, this situation is done.
And teams can't just create $30 million in cap out of nowhere.
You know, some teams can,
but the contenders usually have a tight cap situation.
So, you know, I think this situation is going to get rectified.
But obviously it's been a bit of a distraction as all season.
But both sides want to be here.
Both sides want to want Trent Williams and San Francisco.
And that's something I believe.
And I think that's what's going to ultimately happen.
Well, this is not the same situation from last year
with Brandon Ayuk.
I think Trent Williams, like you said,
really wants to be there.
The reality is he is getting up there in age.
You know, his career is probably coming to a close here
in the next few years.
I'm sure he wants to make as much money as possible.
And I'm sure that 49ers want him at left tackle
for the foreseeable future here.
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Richard, we got to talk a little flag football over the weekend.
And you kind of talked about,
I don't know how much we've actually talked about it on this podcast,
but you and I have talked about it separately.
And I remember asking you.
I said, I mean,
I feel like NFL players would go and just demolish team USA.
And you said,
I don't know if that's the case because there's a lot of different rules at play.
And clearly we saw that all play out in real time.
You saw these guys doing like wrestling knee crawl moves,
avoiding defenders and just doing these fake spin moves and just all over the place.
And yet we've got former and current NFL players that are just getting diced up by these guys.
Maybe team USA and team USA flag football has made us all believers now.
Do you think there's any situation where if the NFL stars were to truly give it
their all and practice by NFL by the flag football rules and you learn the strategy.
Do you think, you know, given a little bit of time,
they might be able to put up a better fight here or what?
No question about it.
But this, man.
I'm I it's exactly what I thought would happen.
I thought I thought it would be worse than what it was.
Because it's such a different game and for them that put actual linebackers out there
was insane.
I mean, you don't put linebackers have no business in flag football.
Their their entire build is to stop runs and be physical.
And that has no place in flag football.
So your middle linebacker is going to be like a nickel is going to be like a nickel.
He's quick agile.
You know, maybe a taller nickel.
Maybe you you get to my like Kyle Hamilton who can be good in space.
But there's no place for bigger guys.
And even the superstar guys that you're looking for the, you know, you.
Jamir Gibbs would be great.
I think canine would be great in flag football.
I think I think Tyrique Keel would be fantastic.
Not it wouldn't necessarily be the guys that make the best NFL players.
To play football, flag football.
You know, it's sometimes it'd be the guy who is the guy who is an offseason.
Like, you know, t shirt warrior, you know, the t shirt and shorts, you know, superstar.
Those would make great flag football players.
They don't always translate into the best physical football players.
But it's also a different game.
And you, and you, you got to respect the guys that, that play that game in the way they play that game.
And some people would ask me before they were like, oh man, they're going to NFL is going to send the team to the Olympics.
I said, I don't see very many NFL players being on the roster at all.
Now again, Jamir Gibbs, K9, you know, guys that are dynamic and short area quickness.
And some of these scat little small jitterbug receivers, sure.
I think McDuffie would do well in this sense, you know, but do I, do I think every corner, every elite corner that we have would do well in this, in this game.
No, I don't because again, taking flags isn't the same as tackling.
You can track somebody down to tackle them.
You can, you can square them up.
You can read their body and you can get yourself in position to bring them down.
But with the way they're able to manipulate their body and lower their flags and change the, the angles of their flags isn't something that NFL players are necessarily used to.
I mean, I saw Patrick Peterson going against I show speed and he tracked it well, you know, in football, it would have been a great tackle.
You would have put his shoulder on him.
He would have been to the ground, but he spun away from him because you got to grab his flags at the end of the day.
And that's something that takes practice.
And it's not one of those things that comes easy or comes naturally to guys.
So yeah, it's, it's, it's a different coverage to field smaller, you know, that the game is so much different for quarterbacks.
Everybody's like, oh, these quarterbacks are putting on a bad showing.
And that's, it's a different game.
It's a different game.
They're reading it like these are the coverages they're used to seeing.
But it's not, it's not the coverages you're used to seeing.
And it's not the guys playing the positions that you're used to playing.
So I think with more practice and changing the guys, you know, you're not going with your, your, the superstars that you're used to.
You're going with the, the guys who can, who can move in, in space, who can cover in space, who are quick, who have great hand die coordination.
Lamar Jackson would be fantastic in this league.
You know, you got to have a mobile quarterback.
You know, you can, Joe Burrow is a fantastic quarterback.
Tom Brady is a fantastic quarterback.
But in flag, you need a mobile guy who might be able to fling it just enough.
I'm going to throw a random name out there who I think would be an all star in flag football.
Kavante Terpen, you know, the Dallas Cowboys speeds.
Yes, short agile, quick, Rashid Shaheed, your guy up in Seattle, guys like that, that bring that element of quickness and speed to the game.
Look out.
What will you just explain, Richard, is what in the fighting community, the difference between MMA and boxing, right?
I mean, you see all these MMA fighters try to fight in boxing and it's a totally different sport.
I think we witnessed it this past weekend.
Flag football is a lot different than tackle football.
But given time, I'm sure the NFL stars could figure it out.
Well, we did see Odell Beckham Jr. make a big catch in that game.
You know, he's still not on a team.
What, what gives with him?
Do you think he'll get an opportunity this year?
You know, I'm hearing that their speculation out there that teams are more interested because they don't, I mean, he can play.
He can catch the ball at a high level.
A lot of the issues for him recently have just been helped.
Can you get on the field?
Can he stay on the field when he's on the field?
He can play can catch the ball.
What is his role?
Can he fit that role?
Can he can he thrive in a different role?
You know, he's been a superstar for so long.
Can he thrive in a secondary role?
We'll see, but again, he's a guy who can play the game.
You talk about Deandre Hopkins, you know, another guy who can just play the game.
They just they're just football players.
And if you put them out there and you throw them the ball, they're going to make some plays.
Are they what they used to be in their prime?
No, other time waits for no, no man.
But are they quality football players still?
Yeah, I think so.
And I think they can have a role.
We shall see.
There's a lot of veterans that are still left to be assigned here in free agencies.
And we still got a lot of time left, you know, obviously on the horizons, the draft.
Richard, we're going to have a lot more to talk about leading up to the draft.
It's always a pleasure sitting down with you.
Again, congrats on your Emmy nomination.
Well deserved.
I will let you sign us off my friend.
Thank you, Mitchell.
I appreciate that.
As always, you guys could be anywhere in the world,
but you hear with us and we sincerely appreciate it.
Thank you so much.
Hope your off season's going well.
Hope your spring's going well.
I hope you have a great Easter in a couple weeks.
All love.
We'll see you next time.
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