You Lyin’ like a Rug! | Phyllis Stickney, Eva Evans, Yamaneika Saunders, and Dante Nero

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What's up everybody?

Another episode of In God Free We Floos.

Man, you know, I'm always happy

when I can do a little episode.

And I've been doing podcasting all day today.

This would be my fourth one or my fifth one.

I've been podcasting for seven hours already.

And now I'm on this one,

because I don't disappoint.

And I show up, that's right.

I show up.

That's why it's important to be healthy.

So you can do shit like this.

That's why it's important.

Isn't that right Dante?

Look at me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You already know.

You already know me.

Ha, ha, ha.

We got the crew in here.

Oh my god.

Dante, Nero's in here.

Look at that, huh?

What up, what up, what up?

We have Yamanika Saunders.

Oh my god.

Come on, Yamanika.

Be happy.

I am happy.

He's the best person.

Yeah, Eva Evans.

Hey, Eva.

Oh my god.

He was.

Eva's been out of town a lot.

Yeah.

Got the Fritz.

What's the one hand on?

Yeah.

It's fire.

That's the fire.

That's the fire.

That's the fire.

But when I'm really proud of,

oh my goodness, we have a legend in the building.

Everybody.

And I know this woman.

When I started comedy, she was headlying in Chicago

and all jokes aside.

She would come in every year.

We were like, yeah, Philistik needs coming.

Let's go see her.

We would all come and see all of me.

Dion, Cole, all of us would come see her.

Just master class and comedy.

You've always been amazing.

Actress, activists.

They still run your video of you

spitting that knowledge when it was Khalid Muhammad on down to you.

That's about you.

I need them followers.

I need them followers.

We got the Empress herself.

Oh, yes.

Yes.

Billis Yvonne.

Stigney and the building.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's in there.

Wow.

So how are you?

I am grateful.

You look great.

I feel the same.

Listen.

Oh, I'm excited.

I've been really good.

Just in general.

Like, life has been wonderful and crazy at the same time.

Yeah, yeah.

You know what I mean?

I've been able to do what I love to do.

I've been able to write some stuff.

I went back home, which I was born in Arkansas.

Arkansas.

I went back to Little Rock.

I was born in Little Rock.

OK.

But I bought property in Pine Bluff.

OK.

And I did that.

So I would not do double homicide.

I had to get out of New York, my man.

My man.

If you've been to them in HDFC, do you

know about the boards of directors

and these freaking places in Harlem?

I've been in Harlem for, in the same apartment for, uh,

since 81.

Damn.

For Beppin Park.

You was in Harlem.

I was in Harlem.

I remember Harlem when you could double park.

For two hours and go get your head there.

You know what I'm saying?

You could double park.

You could double park.

I'm just saying before.

Justification.

Battle.

Wow.

For a battle.

I had to come on.

I'll get that up.

That's a movie, a mini series, and a book.

OK.

I did not give it up easily.

But that's what I'm saying.

It's a lot.

It's a lot to say what I've been through a lot.

I have to.

2460.

Yeah, I got to.

Or else it's a, yeah, I got to do something

with the, with the drama of that.

I wanted to know about the women of Bruce's plays.

Bruce is one of my favorite.

Yeah, but we weren't done.

No, no, I get it.

And I was in the way, no, no, because it was such a, it was,

the women of Bruce's plays, no, no, it was crazy.

That was the craziest one.

I don't think we talk about enough how that really changed

young black girl.

We will, right?

We will.

And to see those powerful, I did not just tell you black women.

No, we'll bring it up.

OK, remember then, because that's not going to forget.

OK, all right.

If I were to forget, OK, I would get a phone call.

OK.

God, I forgot, you talked to me for that.

No, I will keep going.

No.

See, sold it.

Yeah, it was so seriously, yeah.

I don't want to call no names, but the initials is the former

Mayor Adams.

No, it was serious to the point where there was a lot of corruption.

A lot of corruption?

No, I love it.

There we go.

I'm keeping it 1,000 people.

I ain't got time to play.

No, I'm just saying.

I'm not mad at anybody but for real.

There's legislation that's in play right now.

So that these things can't happen.

There was no checks and balances put in certain organizations.

So the HPD and the U-Habs, when you watch people take,

how do you pay an unskilled super $4 million?

First of all, let's just stop, right?

But I was a tennis association president.

I started a tennis association in 1997

and ran it successfully into 2003.

And then they put someone into and paid people

to vote against me because I was really doing the thing.

I was winning right.

And so that, and the apartment is still empty today.

What?

And they evicted me in 2018 while I went on to it,

when I was on the road.

But what we found out was they added almost $5,000

to my rent to create an arrears that did not exist.

And so I fought and fought and fought.

But no one was hearing.

Like I said, the people, the powers that

being weren't listening, they were like, oh, yes.

Where's the booty?

They were talking about the booty.

I'm like, I came to talk about this.

They all want to talk about my booty.

I came to talk about this.

So it became a very convoluted crazy situation.

And I fought, fought, fought, fought.

But now, and this is not even funny, everyone's dead.

All the women that opposed me are now dead.

Oh, good.

And really, like, what do you do it?

What do you do it?

Do you have an alibi?

Welcome.

Bye.

They're serving ice water and hell.

Welcome.

Seriously, seriously, I have a witness.

Don't go gentrify hell, you bitches.

Yeah, I mean, I'll be in my ass.

So there are people that really, I have a God daughter

that went through it with me.

I have an attorney that stayed with me.

And so no one could really believe.

I didn't know what happened, literally.

I was like, my neighbor called Miss Ascrime,

one of a guy, Miss Phyllis, I'm so sorry.

I was like, no Casper, it's OK.

I mean, I got good stipulations.

There's no problem.

I'm good, not problem.

No, he kept, I said, Casper, take a picture.

Whatever you tell my baby, and send it to me.

And he sent me a picture of an eviction

or this one I do, and I was like, what are you talking about?

This is impossible.

This is impossible.

So I have experienced firsthand the corruption

of the housing system here in New York

and especially Harlem, because they

wanted Harlem really, really badly.

And so I was doing too well.

I had the best rent collection.

I had started a tenants association.

Youth crew was running the building

like a community, like you should run a building.

And then there was a woman who was now deceased,

or she could be doing the Epstein, I don't know.

Only Joe is.

She could just be just appearing and not really be disappeared.

But long story short, she put someone

into oppose me for the presidency.

And when about a year later, people

wrote a petition, like, we won't

mistake me back immediately.

And when that petition started being circulated,

they started plotting really, really against me.

And nobody would listen.

Governors, I wrote everybody, but they didn't believe me,

I don't think.

And now, it just happened.

What is it?

September, I fought for a long time.

Yeah, just happened in September.

So I just, I got tired, I went and brought,

that's why I went and brought property somewhere else.

I was like, hey, hey, hey, I got to own.

I'm not going to go through all I've gone through,

lived through all I've lived through.

My dues have paid dues.

I'm not going to be homeless.

Yeah, what did you start comedy?

Oh my god, I started comedy, probably third grade.

Yeah, I mean, when you got on stage and started doing it.

When I really started standing on the song, no, no, no.

Let me tell you, stage days.

Ironically, it was a day that Marvin Gaye was killed.

I will never forget that.

April was spotted.

April 1st.

April 1st, yeah.

And the comic who was supposed to do the show,

coming from DC, was devastated and didn't come.

And the promoter looked at me and said, he was a producer.

You were in a theater.

I was here in New York.

I was here in New York.

But you had not done comedy.

I had not done comedy.

But I, it's my personality, I need you to go on.

And what did you, I went on.

I went on.

My heart pumps no cooler.

But I was funny all my life.

I'm the middle child.

That was my thing.

That was my stick.

He was the oldest.

She was the baby.

I'm going to be making your laugh.

You ain't going to whip me, mama.

I'm going to make you laugh.

I'm going to make you laugh.

You ain't going to whip me.

So I was always the funny one.

I was always the class class class class.

So how was that first time?

Oh my god.

It was scary.

It was scary.

It's scary because you don't know whether you

are going to connect to that golden vein.

You don't know if you're going to connect

to that universal moment, a universal topic

so that universal spirit or energy that everybody's

going to get it.

And but in place, you don't have any experience.

No, but I had theater experience.

Theater, OK.

I had theater experience.

I had theater in high school.

I was a little too chocolate in high school.

They didn't give me no love.

They didn't give me no love.

They didn't give me no love.

They didn't give me no love.

But I know all y'all are Kansas City now.

Ah-ha-ha.

Right.

How are you feeling now?

Exactly.

Right.

So even though they didn't give me no love,

let's give it.

Yes, come on.

Sit us out.

First of all, I was, I tell people,

I was born in Little Rock, Arkansas,

but I moved an average of every year and a half

until I was a senior in high school

because of my father's work.

My father was with the YMCA.

He was an executive director, but he was a fundraiser

and program developer.

That was his strong suit.

So we would move.

He would come to this city, fix their stuff up,

and then another city would bid for him to come there,

and we'd move there.

So it was literally an average of every year and a half.

So there was that lended itself to my flexibility

because I'm comfortable wherever,

because I had to be able to move and be on point.

No, raise couldn't suffer.

Nothing had to keep everything on point and be familiar.

But it also, let me, I would listen to people.

I was always a great mime.

I mean, I could listen to whatever.

But people would see and talk to and so on, whatever.

OK.

Yeah, that's how it should be.

Yeah, we have to say that.

I was given training.

Yeah, whatever, man.

I mean, you know what I mean?

You know, because you know the other stuff.

Right.

I was.

I was.

Sure.

Yeah, I was drinking.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, Black River, this, and this thing.

Black King.

All right.

So when did you start?

I mean, I know they was hating on you,

but when did you start your training?

Training is OJT for me.

I'm the job on this stage.

And then Charlie Barnett was my mentor, if you will.

I'm a star net.

Charlie Barnett was true story.

So David, I keep telling you that, David,

if you tell my Charlie, you can't talk

do number Charlie about coming here because Charlie

was my first family.

Let me tell you what I mean by that.

I would go to Washington Square Park

and study my scripts, because I was

working at University of the streets theater.

Ironically was on the east side,

seventh street between a first and avenue A.

St. Marks and then OK, yeah.

And so that was the theater that I first, you know,

I came here, hiding on the train, runaway,

hiding on the train, because my parents do not know I was coming

from Wilmington, Delaware, New York that night.

So I was hiding in the train, in the bathroom.

I had learned how to ride, sit up here.

I knew you couldn't sit on the toilet,

because the conductor just don't come through and hit that door

boom.

And if you were in there high, and you're going to high,

look, because that door going to hit you.

So I learned, so I sat up here on the tank

and put my feet on the door.

So I said, 34th Street Seconds, Penn Station.

I was here, guys.

And I went and found my way to the Bowery,

looking for Ed Bullins, because he was doing a workshop.

And I had done these, at that time,

I do shows in what I call skits in the clubs, right?

And they were voting.

It was a year that they were trying to vote no,

so the Mayor Rizzo could not run for another term.

And so I was hired to do skits in these little clubs

and pubs around the city to do fundraisers.

And so that's when I learned that I had this knack

that I was able to tell stories and characters.

That was my first thing, I could tell stories.

But I was telling stories about things that had happened to me,

or things that I experienced a day on the train,

or up the street, I was able to take those things

and tell those stories and find the funny in it, right?

But that's what I did at home.

I found the funny to make my mom laugh, my dad laugh,

my brothers and sisters, that was mine.

This is what you want.

You need to have any other academic,

any other academic, which might have to be a doctor or nothing.

You want to do this?

I want to be a lawyer, okay.

That was my first, until I realized that they were

offices of a court.

And then I could never really represent the person

that I was always working for the court in truth.

And so that went away.

But I literally left home at 16, 17 as I ran away.

Your parents never looked for work.

They looked for me, but I went to California.

But for this, I mean, that whole, that,

were you close to your parents?

Very close, but I was always an independent.

There's a woman that I spoke to when she knew me

since I was 13, and not a lot of people,

because of our movie, that have gone with me through my life,

because we move so much.

So one day, I saw her son on Facebook,

and I called him, I said, I'd like to talk to your mom.

And then one day, I called her, I said,

and the same, well, what do you remember about me?

Because she knew me since I was 13, she said,

you were always advanced for your years.

She said, and I wish your parents had trusted you more.

And that meant so much to me, because I knew

I had something special.

I wrote a letter, first letter,

which we can appreciate, was to reach your prior.

The first letter, I wrote a letter to Richard Pryor,

saying, I think I have something,

but I'll come to wherever you are,

and if you tell me to see what I have,

if I have something like that, damn,

she's got no shit, I can't read out there.

No, she's got no shit.

Shit, somebody's, he's writing my ass.

Right?

But if, so this will definitely day on my time, right?

But I saw him on Diana's show.

Diana's show, that was my mother's favorite.

Diana's show was a really nice lady.

Right, right, right, right, right.

Right, and she interviewed everybody.

Everybody, she was like Mike Douglas.

Exactly, exactly.

And I saw him and he was zuded out of his mind.

And I said, he won't take this letter seriously.

And you saw him.

I saw, but it's like things that I've had an opportunity.

I met Richard after, you know what I'm saying?

So the things that happened is like,

it's, I tell people I've lived an enchanted life

because things that I've dreamed about have manifested.

Things that I thought about have come into being,

like meeting Richard prior for the first time.

Oh my God, in real life.

You know, that was like my hero.

I just don't pay people.

I do Richard prior to better Richard prior to his

Richard prior because I knew every nuance.

I crafted him in the best way that I could.

I loved, but I also could hear the tear inside the laughter.

And that's what was something that connected me

to Richard and a lot of comedians.

So that same letter, I recycled that same letter

because I was doing the little, you know, clubs.

And somebody asked, there was a group that had come

to the little town that we were in.

They were from Minnesota.

They were prints asked.

And I was their assistant.

I would tell them where to go get this

and where to get their printing or whatever.

And one of them said, you should be my uncle, Gordon Parks.

Get the fuck out of here.

That's what say, you got the right one, buddy.

Gordon Parks.

Gordon Parks.

Bebam.

I got his documentary, Weapon of Choice, which is.

You put a picture of him.

In say, Gordon Parks produced Shaft.

Shaft.

And he's Weapon of Choice, where he takes that famous

picture of all those who put it all in.

And the hip hop people read, in bet Gordon Parks.

I met Gordon Parks.

I took that same letter, changed the opening paragraph

and sent it to Gordon Parks based on what his nephew had

said to me.

Fast forward to Gordon Parks.

The day I was supposed to meet Gordon Parks.

His son was killed.

Hold up.

Look at what they want you to do.

A year later, I'm going through my phone book.

Now I've lived in New York.

I've gone through, I've connected with the theater,

living in the theater, but I'm living in New York now.

And I'm going through my phone book.

That's when we really wrote phone books.

And I'm saying, I should throw this thing away.

The spirit says, call it.

I call the number.

And I say, yes, I'm calling for a nervous, calling for Gordon

Parks.

I was supposed to meet with him.

But he said, what's your name?

No.

I said, I wrote him a letter.

I'm from Wilmington, Delaware.

My name is, and he said, my name.

So it's taking me in.

It was Gordon Parks.

And he's Gordon Parks.

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

So I'm blown away.

And he said, and I said, well, I didn't get a chance.

So he gave me an order.

You can show him a picture of Gordon Parks today.

Look it up.

It's really easy.

He gave me an order.

There he is.

Oh, man.

That's Gordon Parks, man.

Yeah, I can't remember.

But show him when he was older, because everybody

was older.

Right.

He was older.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They've known him.

They've known him.

They've known him.

They've known him.

People really know him.

There should be images.

United Nations Plaza is where he lived.

That's where I met him.

I will never forget that address.

860 United Nations Plaza.

So the day that I, that, so a year later,

I have the meeting a year later, because I called,

and he gives me the meeting.

I learned that's, well, even older.

Even older than that.

Older than that.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

There should be a bunch of images, though.

That's the first picture to come up with.

You should be a bunch of images.

It's like, you just go Gordon Parks, look up images.

So you should be, I'm saying.

But that's, if people don't, yeah, but we don't know for them.

Yeah, the white.

That white.

That's the one.

That's the one.

That's the one that's the one we know.

Yes.

Yes.

I mean, but first cameraman, black cameraman,

did work for time.

I mean, he's iconic.

He's an off-and-off day.

I kind of, well, I mean, you know.

I'm just enjoying the storm.

Yeah, it was great.

I'm just like, it was awesome.

No, no, no, no.

They're out of order, out of order.

So then Gordon Parks, and I come, and we

had the conversation and talked about thought

transference and all kinds of crazy stuff.

One regret I have, watch this, talk about colorism,

talk about what it does to the psyche of us.

The one thing I regret, he was sitting talking,

and he said, may I photograph you?

And I said, no.

I'm not wearing makeup.

Really?

Should've let him.

I wasn't, I wasn't, who I am now, I wasn't who I am now.

Like I said, I got one regret.

Yeah.

I said, but you can't, you got to figure it out

because you didn't know me, but I didn't know that.

That's why I can, I can own it, you know, I can own it.

Because I, yeah, I'm sorry, there's 20, 20.

I can own it, but what is the colorism?

Colorism is, if you brown, stick around,

if you white you white, if you yellow,

you yellow, you yellow.

I just think, no, you ask question on the answer it.

You can't be told that you're ugly all your life,

and think you're beautiful.

You cannot be told that you're ugly.

I thought, and I put in my comedy,

my, I thought my name was Old Black Philistinian.

I never had a boyfriend in high school.

I didn't have anyone to say.

The first time a man told me I was attractive,

I was 24 years old, coming through 34th Street,

Station, Pennsylvania.

So we, I keep it 1,000.

We can't act like, I don't act like this isn't real.

I don't think that about myself.

I don't take that on as reality or truth.

But I have experienced it, and I see it today.

That's why we have, and I love, I love Alicia Keys,

so we had, we didn't give NDIrea chats.

We gave, we gave Alicia the shout.

Actually, screwing the RREO of that.

So, so we can't, I was completely understanding.

What I was saying, what I was, what I was asking is,

not that I don't think colorism exists.

But I think there's also a world where I also don't want

somebody to film or photograph me without makeup.

I think that's a part of vanity.

No, but no, no, no, exactly.

And at that time, I didn't even make up.

Do you understand?

I don't understand that at that time.

But, but he saw the colorism as the reason why she didn't

film, exactly without makeup.

Thank you.

You were internalizing yourself.

Right.

Yeah.

It messed with yourself.

Yeah, okay, guys.

Words heavy, that's it.

It wasn't worthy.

It was beauty.

I always remember that.

No, and let me say what I say, ask for her to be.

The fact that it's Gordon Park saying, can I take a picture?

You cannot take a picture.

No, that's how deep that's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying.

Clearly, he's seeing something in her.

But I didn't, but if you don't believe it, exactly.

No, I understand that part.

So, for me, that's what said, I keep it 1,000 because my healing, my journey, my comedy

was how I healed.

Yeah.

That's how I exercise my demons.

I tell people absolutely.

I would tell them at the end of the show, thank you for allowing me to exercise my demons

in your presence.

And they would laugh.

But they didn't know how real I was being.

You was being there.

Everything I come, I was being dead ass.

Yes.

Dead ass.

And that's what I do today.

I'm dead ass.

You don't, you don't.

But we, because I'm telling you, I've experienced you headlining at this, I had five minutes, ten

minutes.

Phil is coming.

Phil is coming.

I was, I was one of the first out there.

I was one of the first out there.

Yes.

Yes.

Max Garvin.

Yes.

It was Curry.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

And it was number one.

Number one.

Number seven.

It was not a black night.

Number seven.

It was every night.

Every night.

Every night.

You had an open mic.

Damon Williams.

That's how I brought Corey.

I woke him into comedy.

I brought, and that's where we would see.

It was like amazing.

I could not wait for a weekend.

Okay.

It was nothing like that.

It was nothing like that.

So, but then I, then I go back to remember, I tell people when they talk stuff.

I've gone to the comedy store, for example, in LA.

Yeah.

And I'm watching the young dudes, the young babies.

And I'm looking there.

And I'm listening to them talk stuff.

And then I was saying, oh, that, and that ain't how it went down.

I just, I said, no, that ain't it.

No, that ain't it.

No, that ain't it.

That's what you heckled in the youth.

Oh, yeah.

Cause they lying.

Because they lying.

First of all, buy like a rug.

No, no, no.

Ha, ha, ha.

I remember you.

Lie like a rug.

No, because here's what's real for me.

Yeah, yeah.

You can't, you ain't paid no dues, right?

You don't know what you know.

You don't even know what you don't know.

And so I remember the game.

I remember the day for the day, young and dumb.

No, but listen, boo, boo.

You got to understand when you had to have talent.

You didn't, when about followers or friends?

That, right there.

That's the part I like too.

Cause that's what matters.

No, she got, no, you just got her going on.

No, no, no, no, no.

That's the part I'm doing.

You're like, don't be right.

No, no, no, no.

That's the part I like too.

Cause that's what matters.

No, she got, no, you just got her going on.

No, no, no, no, no.

And it's not, it's no excuse.

Yeah.

Because you supposed to know on who shoulders you stand.

If they, young and dumb, no, no, no, no, no, no.

You got to know on that shoulder you stand.

That's why I'm here.

That's why I'm still here.

Still standing.

Cause somebody got to tell y'all.

And whoever it hit, whoever it hit, you got to know.

You got to know on who shoulders you stand.

You not just standing on that mic.

Cause you that bad ass, my phone.

You standing at that mic.

Cause somebody sat up all night.

Did, got disrespected.

Had to wait and wait and wait.

Got bumped.

Okay.

Didn't even know what bumped was.

Had to sit in a hot seat.

Yeah.

Had to get in a hot seat to get some mic time.

Because if somebody walked in that room that was bigger than you.

And usually was W-H-I-T-E.

Yeah.

Carcazoid.

Carcazoid is crazy.

Okay.

You weren't going to get no time.

You weren't listening.

I watched, I was, I was one of the few that went to.

That's why I had to be in the room when you called the heck.

And I was like, you weren't, you weren't, that ain't what it is.

Now baby, that hand went down.

Cause if you're going to tell it, you didn't live it.

You can't Google experience.

Oh.

Get me some.

No.

No.

No.

You can't.

You can't Google experience.

The lack of experience isn't a photo.

It is.

It is.

It is.

It is.

It is.

It is.

It is.

It is.

It is.

It is.

Please.

No.

No, no, no.

No.

That baby is like, no, no.

You can't get at the mud.

But here's another side of the perspective.

And I agree with everything that you said.

If no one has any respect for the people that came before them, that is a problem.

However, I just wanted to be clear that if we're talking about some kid on stage who's doing material and you're not with it or it's not experience,

Do we have the right to just say,

baby, that ain't what it is in the middle of them doing their acts?

That's how I was saying, heck no, no, no, no, no, no.

I wasn't heckly.

But you can't stand up and talk fact that you don't know.

So you're trying to speak out here, in fact,

and you're miseducating everywhere in the room.

And when wisdom is in the room, wisdom will speak.

And I'm wisdom that was in the room.

And what happened was, the host of the night

knew who I was, knew my resume, if you will,

and was like, hold up.

Y'all, y'all, let me, and came over to me and said,

Miss Stinger, will you get on the, will you talk to her?

Right.

And they gave me the mic, and let me give education in the room.

And tell her what it is.

They sit the kid down that was on stage when at the time.

No, I wasn't hosting.

He did the host with, I didn't, I didn't disrupt.

I'm not disruptive that it went on.

But he came to me and said, will you, will you take the mic

and just have a class with us tonight, Miss Stinger?

And they, and, and I did.

And I respected him for that.

It was just like things he was saying.

I was, no, that, that ain't the way it went.

I was there.

No, that ain't quite.

I was talking about a certain incident.

Yeah, talking about stuff that you wasn't there.

You just, you were putting a gossip on a rooma.

I was in the room.

I know how it went down.

I was in the belly room.

I went to from the belly room.

Never made the main room.

You got, do you, do you, I was telling you,

the belly room, y'all knows room, y'all was in right now.

Black folks wasn't even in this room.

Ooh.

One, one, no fat Tuesday.

Speaking of which, I'm doing my show in the belly room

on May the 6th for Netflix, the show.

Yeah.

Belly room in LA.

Yeah.

I see them saying.

Yeah.

And it was fallstabbed.

Phone, a, a, a, a phone downstate.

He was huge, a, a bald Caucasian guy.

And he was the manager of the belly room.

So what I'm just saying, you gotta understand

that only people that got to stay was Jimmy Walker, Richard

Pryor, Flip Wilson.

Wow.

Those were the only people that got to stay on shows.

They were the only black folks that could get on those mics.

Yeah.

But even with that, look at the span of years

between each one of those shows.

Yeah.

From Flip Wilson to Jimmy Walker.

Jimmy Walker's good times.

That's a lot of not having a show.

A lot of not having a show for us.

Yeah.

So I'm just saying, when, when, when, when I see the babies

and I call them babies, you just got,

if you see somebody coming to room, they so full of themselves,

they can't see nobody else.

I'm saying, be curious about who that is.

Be curious.

And for us too, suspend judgment,

replace it with curiosity.

I'm curious about who you are.

I'm curious about what you've done.

But to see me or some, so real school

that's not old and new to me is real school.

In the room and you're not, you can't give them the props.

I'm mixed nuts.

Ends would never give me the mic.

I fucking hate that guy.

Listen, ends would never give me the mic.

Ends was so nasty.

So nasty.

And I would be in the room now, because mind you,

this is when, even some of our folks now,

are you a comic or are you an actor?

I said I'm both.

But this is before we was doing both.

What was ends?

Ends was the own mix nuts.

No, not mixes, that was the African dude.

Oh, union, common union.

Union is our pico.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Listen, I don't know the guy like that,

but he treated me like shit one day,

because I was supposed to meet Kevin Hart over at union.

I never go to union.

I'm always laugh factory.

Yeah, yeah, whatever, that's me.

Right.

So I said, all right, I'm the legit rooms.

Yeah, he was having something.

Kevin was going, I said, yeah, come over.

It was a long time ago.

And so I walk in, and I don't know who ends is.

I just walk in.

I'm thinking Ed's is a community.

He's from Chicago.

For my hopes, I'm like thinking he's a communist.

So it was him and this other dude

that used to be a common view in hat.

And I just said, hey, I just walked in,

because I never go there.

And I was like, hey, are you guys comedians?

And he looks at me go, what?

I'm the owner.

I said, OK, relax, dude.

I said, well, I'm out of here, dad.

I was like, you're the owner.

Why the fuck are you talking to me?

I just turned my back.

OK, well, I'm out here, then.

I said, I'm leaving.

I'm leaving.

I'm leaving.

I don't even go to this program.

I don't even read this program.

You got to go outside.

You got to watch it with the pico niggas.

The niggas on pico and La Brea and all of that.

I don't go to this bum ass fucking club, though.

But I just stand there.

I'm only here because I came and see Kev.

Right.

I don't do this bum ass.

Right.

But he thought I'd do it laterally.

I would be in there, and I would say, could I get some time?

Well, I'll see, I'll see.

David Arno, God rest his soul, all of them will come out.

So I went there, I went up.

I said, you're going to tell this motherfucker who I am.

I know that's right.

David Arno.

What do you think about the, what do you think?

No, okay.

You know what I mean right now.

Where, where, go ahead.

Where is it?

Go ahead.

Why are you piping?

Go ahead.

I'm piping.

I don't even know what you're going to get.

I just thought that he said shit in the last half.

I don't think I was here.

You don't have your watch molded.

I see a weird, I see a weird one with it.

Yeah.

No.

You were so good outside.

Yeah, no.

They're like this.

No, I don't know where he is.

Yeah.

I saw him.

I saw him.

Yeah, I saw him.

I saw him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You remember, Shep?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, that hurts.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's motherfuckers.

They're sneaking it like they're fucking detention.

Yeah.

And all over like doing this.

Yeah.

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One day, I just got tired of it because I'm humble.

Like I said, I'm a girl.

And the first thing you're going to say,

if you say, be out your mouth,

then I'm going to pick up something to smack you.

I know there's another side to me.

So really, I don't put myself in the position

so that there's not a man that's going to want to say that to me.

So I played, you know, I played with that.

But Cheyenne came in though.

You don't know who this is.

Cheyenne is mine.

Cheyenne is mine.

Cheyenne is mine.

Get shut out Cheyenne.

I love the real ones.

Another Jamaican.

I love the real ones.

I love the real ones, baby.

I love the real ones.

I'm so proud of the real ones.

I love that Factor, appreciate your body.

I love the real ones, baby.

I love the real ones.

Shanks real, Shanks was like,

yo you don't know who this is.

So I told them, because one day, finally I was tired of it.

I said, you're about to go tell this mother,

and I said, because all of y'all know

know and you'll sit here and watch him say no to me. Get the fuck up there. And they

never heard me curse, you know, I don't, I don't really hear in the comments. Yes, I'm an intelligent.

I know that. Well, well, you know, you know, you're fucking curse. Oh my god. You're

fucking. I love the same joke. I'll fuck out. Even put that mic to your mouth. If you're

okay, let me tell you what. Real, real, real. I want to have Nat TV show I had like I told Martin

Lawrence back and then if you want to get the TV man, you got to clean up your act. It's different.

Now the rules of the game and engagement are different. Yeah. So let's keep it 1000. Thank god.

And I was out there that wasn't going to get no TV. Yeah. That's why I've been able to be around

the world working as a comedian because I was before Anthony Slocum. I was the clean conscious

yeah, but no, no, no, but you know, but hold on one second, but let's keep it real, right?

You're keeping it clean, but you're also keeping it very conscious. Those are, yeah, you're just

well, so that's why I want to try. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Because I call myself the conscious

comedian. I did conscious comment, right? Before clean, I always said, I'm a conscious

comedian. I do conscious material, right? And when I say until I'm not just, I tell

I would say literally, I would come on the stage and then we get it. Like I was mopping the

clear, I said, well, you know, I got to clean up a little bit for and take the stage because I

know what you just said. It did is not what I'm going to ready to do. Right. The audience know it's

I'm about to change the channel a little bit. Right. I'm about to change the color. So that's what you

I want to know. That's not what I'm going to do. No, no, no, no, we all changed the channel in the color

because I definitely don't want to be doing what somebody's doing before or after me. You see

I'm saying, but because I, but I want that was my way of letting them know that I'm going to do

something different than you just experienced. So just get ready. So I had to prepare the stage

and the audience to hear what I was going to say. Right. But you was doing a lot of talking about

whitey too. You know what I mean? You're keeping it real. So what I'm saying is that's very far

old to them. Yes. And guttural. Who are you? Who are you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, to be

saying these things. How did this place live where he lived for 33 years and not where I had not

be black? Come on people. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That was back then. Yeah.

That was, yeah. That was, I said, I know I oversteered who I was and what I was doing. Sure. But it

was conscious. It was a choice. It wasn't the accident. Also, but also let me tell you something.

And I, and we don't, you know, we're coming up behind you. We didn't knew, you know, I'm old,

but even as new and, you know, I'm older. I'm also. Yeah. I don't know, girl. The way you tell,

when you start adding up the numbers, girl, you know what I'm saying? I write shit. But you know,

we are also taking, and this is why I wanted to get into the Bruce the place and all the

other stuff. Right. But I'm glad we did have this conversation. It's because as somebody who

studies comedy, I already knew about you because I was studying. You understand? Absolutely. And so

for me, it's like, yeah, here we got, I don't think you get enough credit. I don't think you get

enough due. And I also don't think you need to be telling the pack of niggas to go tell some

other nigga that puts you on stage. Like if he don't know who the fuck you all fuck him. No, but,

right? Listen to me. Okay. All of that may be true, but the reality is if they don't see you

on the stage, they don't see you on the stage. And you have to get some time. Yeah. If they,

I produced my own shows and have until very until we're sure that the reason being those clubs

didn't understand or care what I was doing. I knew I had an audience. I knew I had a following.

I knew I had people that wanted to hear what I was doing and what I was saying. But I also knew

that I was not going to be the girl. I was never going to let them introduce me as their favorite

schwarza. They were not going to come on stage behind that. And what that mean? Schwarz

to me is a nigga. Right. And I get it. Jewish people say. Oh, why? Yeah. But I was at the

comic strip. That's why I used to be. That's a derogatory. Variations of the fucking word.

Everybody out loud. But I used to be okay. That was how they would introduce her. And I was like,

what? Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. No, I get that. Yeah. I'm going to talk under my

clothes. So I was that girl. Right. After I do the set, I'm going home. I'm not going to hang out

with you and get drunk because you're going to you won't call me nigga in a minute. And it's

going to be because it's going to be the liquor. And it's not. It's going to be a problem.

So I would do my set. I hang out for a minute and then I bounce. Or I because I got a gig.

I got a problem doing a private club or a show or whatever. So I did what was required of me

to be to say I've been in the room. I've done the comedy store. I've done the improv. But I never

played that bullshit game that they wanted us to play. I wasn't going to be better, you know,

just trying to hate on you and get and hate on with this around when I'm what's his name?

Oh God. What's what? What's the time period? Like what's it hurt? What's God?

No, the owner improv. Can you do even that improv?

Oh yeah, yeah, Bernie. I want to say Bernie. No, Zoe, Zoe's his daughter.

So it's no, no, no, Zoe. If he said the name, I know, I can't think of it.

It's, you know, even if improv, uh, damn it. I know. I know. I know. I know it was

evening at the improv. He would always come off as a welcome evening at the improv.

Yes, I'm Bud Friedman. Bud Friedman. Bud Friedman. Thank you. Bud Friedman. Exactly.

Because they were very, they were very, they were very talented. One of the guys in the

Robert Townsend was in the mint. Keenan, I've been waiting. Keenan was it, well, Keenan,

because Keenan was on chips now. Let's keep it one thousand.

The ha ha. I didn't know that. We was on chips doing what? No chips with the Eric Astrada.

I know. What was he? He was on chips.

What year? I'm trying to give you a, I'm trying to find, uh, uh, uh, uh, the year for what?

The ads for this whole when you're, when you're at the place trying to get time, uh, 86. I

won first place at the Apollo in 1986. That's how, and I, and I, and I helped, uh, sell it to

network television. I was supposed to be the first host. Nasty, not Kim Pose. Wow. It was me.

Not even the left. And so what gave them the Puerto Rican? You gave them the Puerto, I

didn't. I was, I was, because I had, I would, I had two TV shows. I was up for, I was on, uh,

different world. Yes, you were. Different world. The first season. That off that show,

because I was too black to, too, too black to proud. Really. They ultimately wrote me out.

Different world. Different world. Different world. I was there before, Charnaille Brett, before

shut. Yes, he was, but, but he had the same writers, Matt Robinson and all those with the writers

on his show, they came to our show or watch this. They were wanted to take my stand up and put it in

the show, but not give me credit. But I was, I was, I was thinking, no, no, I knew better. And I was like,

what are we doing here? They did. Well, how was it? Dirty. Dirty. Dirty. Certain questions. Like,

well, why do you have Phyllis being the negative and, um, Don Lewis got the role because I didn't

want to be the older ex-convict. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Because it was, because it was me, Marissa Tome,

the three. And then when I went to the audition, Lisa fought for me. See them. I'm so grateful.

Thank you for doing the opportunity to tell the truth. So the truth of the matter was,

I knew that they wanted me to do Bonifo. I had a character called Bonifo, but they did not be

in it. You all of my face and do right. You could end it. And what? So I knew that I'd be Jimmy J.J. Walker

doing Dynamite at 99. They would have me on the show doing this, doing the neck thing. So I didn't

do it. That's, I said, you know, I, I knew. That's what I made choices. It wasn't accident. Yeah. No,

of course. So I knew that if I did that, that they would be requesting that all the time. Yeah. So

I'm funny without neck rolling. So I kept it, kept it, kept it right here, even though Jay Sanders

kept saying, God, she's so broad. But Lisa Bonay went to the back. She said, she's the

funny one here because we had the, the audition was the scene where the, the phone rings in the dorm.

And I answer it. And everybody else did it the same way. And I came up, hello, what?

Well, I don't know. Well, I, well, I talked to you later. Okay. You know, I gave it five.

I gave it a different rhythm. And hello, how did it? And so Lisa went, didn't know she was writing

my evertack. She went and fought called Brandon Tartacov. Tartacov, who had an NBC.

Hey, everything who was the one that brought in the Cosby show before he passed away.

And they were in third place. He took a chance on that. And she did not know what she was doing at that

time that when she was a moment that we were on set. But this is when I had showtime at the Apollo

and different world. I would have been the first little black girl with two prime time shows.

And I had no agent. They were me. Come on. Come on now. I created my own agent, Bonnie Gosenfall.

Hello, darling. I made all of my deals over the telephone. Do you understand, darling?

Don't play with her. Because I had an agent at that time. I was, they recorded me at ICM

and they was Sheila Robbins and listened, darling, listened to how it goes. So what happened was

I'm in Washington Square Park. Barry Morrison Associates comes over to me after one of my sets and

says we want to talk to you about this Cosby spin-off. I'm like, oh my god, absolutely.

So I call Sheila Robinson, who's courting me at ICM to represent me online. And I say, Sheila,

they are interested in me for the Cosby spin-off. And she says six words that absolutely,

I was per clump. She says to me, you are not right for that role. I'm going, oh my god.

Let them tell me that. This is in my mind. But at the time, agents had a lot of

power. You don't talk to me. The agents had power at that time. But in my mind, I'm thinking,

I don't know what you're made. Let them say that. But I don't say it. I go, okay. But I don't

think that. I don't say that. I don't say that. I'll let them next morning. I wake up.

And I'm tossing them and I'm turning. I look at that card. I'm tossing them. Time to look at that card.

Oh my god. Yeah. And I got out of that phone. Yeah. Yeah. And I get rotary. And I get rotary.

And I get on the phone. Hives up here. Beat now. And I say hello. Yes. My name is Bonnie Rose

and Thor. I'm calling in reference to Philips technique. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I'll hold.

Hi. How are you? Yes. I understand. You're you're interested in Philips. Isn't she fabulous?

Don't you love her? Yeah. And it worked out for years. Yeah. I'm telling it now because

now they'll know. But that's what I did for years. I was my own agent for years. As Bonnie

goes before. I negotiated all of my deals. My favorite line was don't you love her? Isn't she

fabulous? So are we going to make a deal? That was my favorite line. I had to. Yeah. And I would

but I live panic. So that's why I didn't have a lot. I wouldn't look close to a lot of people

because I knew nobody could. That was a story people wanted to tell. Y'all know and

she her own agent. Yeah. Yeah. And it was it was Roger Paul. I'm going to be still living on

90. Yeah. Roger Paul. Okay. Yeah. He was one of you. So see. So one day. One day I had no agent though.

And I'm looking for an agent. So I'm in to do I'm interviewing Roger Paul. And I told us a

Roger. I got to find it. I had to have an agent because I don't. And I said I'm Bonnie Rose

and Thor. He looked and got ready. He said if they find this out, they'll crucify you.

He was the true. He knew. So I never told him about it. But I never this is the first time

he talked about it publicly. Wow. Wow. That is that is. And so you lost those two. Well, no, you

did the first season of different and they were like, all right. Then they wrote me out.

After I brought Robert Townsend in, what was her name? Something and beats from Saturday Night Live.

They brought her on after the first director didn't work out for whatever reason. I can't

remember anything. Something falcon. And so they brought on one of the producers from SNL.

They asked me, did I know Robert Townsend? I said, yeah, I do. So can you get in touch with him?

I said, Robert, I said, Rob, they want you to name your price due. They need you. They

want you. I never got a call to come up. And this business is not a game boy.

I tell you. That's what I'm saying. So, you know, but I, but I survived but still it's like

there's people don't know. People don't help people. It's just all happening because you are a black woman.

Yeah, and I went back in all by what was oh that's true and what's the state of her black women especially like you had what's the name you had?

You had oh my

Night court oh no

Marsha Marsha Marsha Marsha Marsha Marsha was there was remember Renee the ball headed. Yes, Nick Hicks

I used to watch on TV Renee was a ball-headed black. How do you know where she is?

Renee Hicks I would see this ball-headed black woman doing stand-up. I call that name. You called it

If I would see I was a Marsha Warfield Renee Hicks

Um

Yeah, those are the three that they rotated. Yeah, those are the three that you always saw on TV. Yeah

No, that's the wig remember yeah, where is the ball and Joe the ball? I think she was snatched it off on stage

Show her her head. Yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right. You're absolutely right. It's gotta be like

That was like wow, that's bold boy, but you know, but tell let me tell you a

Renee Hicks story. Yeah, I'm the first female that single-handedly host at the Superdome

Music festival

Renee came on a year or something after me and walked off the stage

She couldn't

She that's 75,000 people coming at you got a hold you got to hold that you got to keep it on her stand that is not a game

That's not a game you think you're ready. You think you're ready. There's no photo over with bone head

That's insane really yeah, you think you think you're ready. She was ready. She does she was ready and she started

What you guys all started running the same time, you know, I only know Renee once we were all out there

You know, I mean, so yeah, so I didn't I didn't know of her her growth. You know, I mean, I'm development

I didn't know if you came with with prior and movies with prior

I knew it with all the

The right exactly exactly

So she got in and she got in and because she came in. It's deceitful. Yeah, I have bitch. Where he?

Did she pass away? I don't know

Is that on the bitch where he's seriously?

That looked like

Yeah, what was that?

What was it? Wait, it's a promotional material

Maybe it's a nod. Celebrate in the life

Damn

That was morbid

That's for a show

It's like celebrating the life

That look like a fucking funeral

People bringing pies and cakes

We're like this. She did

We're nay dead. I didn't even know that. Yeah

Oh

That's not a good flyer man

That's a worse flyer

I know

She died at the ballroom

We're gonna see her body at the ballroom

They go

Oh

You know what I thought I was like

Show how you knew comedy but why is that why why that's liar

Pretending to be a little too

No, they didn't like

What we did that didn't like her they didn't like her. Yeah, but yeah, oh

But back then like the only um I am I'm looking at even black women now

For television they still are very

That it's more the white women all the time black women are still

Really really happy. They love the ambiguous girls and the girls

The mix. It's just he's got she got a black gramparing

Those are the ones that are thriving as much black women are the mix girls

Yeah, they

No, I'm talking about stand-up comedy. Oh okay. Well um

No way the leg yeah, well, wait a minute before don't go. Don't answer this. Yeah

I'm just asking

No, that's what that question leave it alone

I'm asked free when I look into your eyes

You know what I see I see such a powerful man dynamic

It's a be so secure both you men to have three dynamic black women on this house. Yeah, that's what I purposely did

Yes, I know and I'm praising you

No, you know, yes, I am something about it. Oh, there's something about you feel that don't ever don't ever

When she does that real confidence

I like your MC light earrings

Thank you

What you say to me is still paper thin

Oh

You always do the ending of like you know good times all those black songs always like

But I just want it's just I just it's not fair because you should see Yamanika and shit

You should see Eva in a lot of stuff. You see a lot. I'm gonna say nothing wrong. There's money white women

But it's a ton of them that are trash

And you got all these amazing black women from Chloe to us of Zaynab to

Even with joy out all these I mean a strong and a very

Comedian's they have good lot of hours under their belt and we should have you around we should have all

Should be on TV a lot. It's a lot of stuff. Yeah, and they don't do it

So that the younger

Versions, they don't know anything. That's what I told you that I just kid this come crazy on on the internet because somebody smacked them or something

He was a Dean the box Dean the great box

Oh, that's the one. Don't even they don't even know the history of boxing

You're in that box and you you don't know the history of boxing your comic you don't know the greats

You don't know the people that paved it and they don't care

They don't pay so he was a boxer you got slapped. I'm that's why you should they don't care

That's why man

Because if we don't see each other and I should tell them when they ever come in places and I see better see me

You don't you ever walk into a room and not see another black person that knowledge is there. Yeah, I don't you dare

Yeah, you don't see me right to speak to me because if we don't acknowledge each other

They never acknowledge one and they thank they don't even they don't like they dislike their own blackness. So it's like oh Danny

Yeah, well, that's your problem. Yeah, I'm saying that regret

Because you you will be obsolete

Yeah easily

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have to fight for the positions that we've already had so we got hey, but I'm a big you up when I see you

I got acknowledged that black girl that black with man. Hey

So that they know if if you're not important to me will never be important again if we're not important to each other

Told you know what about the Brewster's place there

Yalena Brewster's place

I remember it was my first real experience with her with first of all with death

Because when the little boy put this

Yeah, and then and I had to watch it

What was that was what was that process like

From the casting all the way through to the filming to even your relationship with the cast as a now

What was that like?

Well, there's a there's a couple of things that I know about that film

That that's interesting history

It was at a time when we had movie of the weeks

Yeah, because it was an ABC movie of the week that's number one

The director's name was Donna Dorch. She was a woman

Who like women

So she was fighting for the kiss

That was the importance of it for her

To have an on-screen girl

Yes, because that wasn't done back

Um, I also watched

Sicily Tyson my one of my mentor mother

Give Robin given the business in such a classy way

I

Let me show you how I went

Miss Robin was doing her thing, right? You know when she was mad to him but Mike Tyson Michael's on the set everything

So anyway

Robin was one of them acres right there's actors and

Directors yeah, yeah, and producers

So she's she's a acca, right

But in the scene and we all will remember that scene when Sicily is telling her about how she made her feel when she changed her name, right

Robin by this time God bless her, but Robin would always cut

What right it would be it would be stuff and she didn't like it or she wasn't feeling it whatever her and she would cut

I

Now I can only imagine at that time this is the great Sicily Tyson

Right, yeah, right? So I'm sitting there watching mother Sicily and I'm saying I mean I'm I'm in school

Right, I'm on set because I want to see what how she worked

And I supplies

That Sicily had watched

Robin cut and you know be interesting

Right and decide and I'm sure mother Sicily said I only got six hours for this

So that scene where

She's giving Robin the

About how it broke her heart. She gave her her mother's name and blah blah

And Robin was going to go out of the scene like turn away and not be in it

And I watch mother sister come up and they know

Oh

Don't you ain't coming out of this scene, but she did it so suddenly

That she never and so that reaction was real Robin really was like

Because she took all of my breath she did that scene so flawlessly, but she did not allow

the novice

to cut

Escape

divert

No stay in this

Stay in this with me honey. Stay in this scene with me

And now it's over. I think Robin wasn't stupid enough to go good

Okay, cuz he might have been

Right. No, that's right. Oh mother Sicily was yeah, whoo that scene and we all at the end because she had her captive

She held her spellbound. No, you're not running from this. You're not running from this

Take this listen to this

Now scene over

Hmm, that was who runs in a scene with Sicily Tyson

You state this

Not if you not if you can't not if you can't come and real

You got to really be working because an act if I look in your eyes and I know the truth

I know when you're lying too

Absolutely, and so if you're looking at the truth of Sicily Tyson and you BS in you can't hold that

And she she was going try to run

But Sicily I remember that little move she was uh-uh. It was just a little subtle like uh-uh

What do she kept her in that? What are your fans going to do God for you?

This black woman's been holding court the entire show. You know they hate that kind of shit

That's not true and she's been saying powerful shit. I love it and they're gonna be like

She got that fat bitch to shut up for a while

Take all that fat bitch. Oh, we don't do shit. No, but I love it. I don't even know what the

I think they're super chat. Yeah

What's it? What's the super test black woman?

Did you see what she says?

Yeah, he always goes the fat bitch is just hit me

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