You Will NEVER Look at Netanyahu the Same Again | Ian Carroll

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The Hagenon bank goryon, who we're trying to do it more through the year. The Hagenon bank goryon stand out distinctly.

And I'm not, I'm like, there's so much nuance. I would be, I would be an idiot to try to claim that I'm like some expert on all of that, all of the happenings of those times.

But certainly it's obvious right from the very first bit of research you do on it that the Hagenon is distinct and they did not align with the tactics of a lot of these other factions.

And then when Israel is founded, the leadership of Israel from their prime ministers down to like the rest of their leadership structure is sort of selected from these various groups.

And obviously still align with these various peoples and things that have formed it. And that's just kind of me speaking logically, not based on any specific factual information.

But like if a bunch of mobsters were the best friends that help get the weapons here, it's not like they're just severing those relationships immediately after it happens.

If the Rothschilds funded it, like clearly they are still involved in the project the next year after it's founded.

So those interests that founded it are suddenly the top level echelon of people in Israel. And to me, that is the perfect recipe for a deep state.

Like that is the ultimate concoction of a deep state right from the start. And Israel is fighting for its survival against these other countries around them from the start in a way that encourages intelligence agency style operations, covert operations, open warfare too.

But they're basically like anything goes to save this nation right to protect ourselves. And so that is the most fertile soil ever for a crop deep state to grow in.

And all indication ever since in my book shows that a very, very powerful deep state grew in Israel from the start.

And lots of Israelis, I think, had nothing to do with it. And I think lots of Israelis were probably totally regular genuine people. And even Israelis that fought in those wars, I think they, I'm just assuming, but I would assume there's plenty of people that were wonderful people after that war ended, you know, whatever.

Yeah, you like drawn a little parallel here, obviously in every war, there's always some bad apples and in the battle brings it out that do some terrible things.

But like for example, you look at our corruption here in the United States with fucking Iraq and all the shit we did there. I always have been respectful on RN as an American to to like make the distinction between the idiots and DC and the offices who are calling those shots and the tip of the spear that they go there and forced to do their job.

And I think I think you're kind of drawing that distinction here in some ways with some of the things they do as well.

Exactly. And when you're looking at the government of Israel criticizing the government of Israel today, which is what I myself do a lot of, and I intentionally always try to draw the distinction that I'm criticizing the government of Israel, not all the people of Israel, certainly not all the Jewish people around the world.

Though I would argue that today a lot of Israelis are raised and propagandized into a into in a way that there's a lot of really horrific videos that come out of Israel because there's a lot of people that align with the sort of like right wingly coupist kind of mindset about Palestinians that is horrendous and disgusting.

But a lot of Israelis today protest what's going on, right?

But that's we're getting ahead of ourselves on that because during the 60s, 70s, Israel steals nuclear technology from America using these sort of like mob and intelligence agency connections within the United States.

It's called the demon affair. There's a couple different names from different parts, but the Apollo affair sort of refers to the theft of the nuclear material from New Mac in America.

The nuclear.

It's nuclear something something.

Yeah, right.

And and that's quite well document.

Yes. And can I prove that?

Exactly. And Kennedy was very on their ass about it before he got killed.

And they steal a bunch of nuclear material. They steal a bunch of technology to do a crazy deal with France.

They build this reactor and secret that they're not supposed to have until this day is not official.

It's never been admitted. They have not signed the treaties that everyone else has signed. Super fucked.

And Kennedy was on them about it in a big way.

And actually Kennedy was so pissed at them about it that he demanded to inspect the reactor, right?

And they set up a fake control room for him to inspect and they sent the inspectors in.

They took one of this fake control room and they're like, this is fucking fake.

And Kennedy, I mean, I don't know how to source whether this quote is real or not.

They lied to me and I hate it.

These motherfuckers lied to me constantly, right?

Shortly before he died.

And I'm not implying that Israel alone killed JFK.

I'm implying that there was strong motivations for factions in Israel to support or be a part of or do, you know,

whatever they need to do in that coalition.

That's one I've never seen good evidence for because the evidence on everything else that had way more power,

way more proximity and way less, a lot to lose, but way less to lose is much more on our own government and the associated acts.

Now, could Israel have been probably happy the next day after that happened?

And, you know, could they send someone to put in a good word and say, hey, if y'all are thinking about this, go for it.

Yeah, but like when I see a lot of the cases on the JFK thing, I think they're total house accords.

I think that the JFK one is one that I think actually Israel has less to do with than all the other coalition elements.

I think that if there is any Israel involvement directly in the JFK thing, I think it's actually much more likely and more accurate to say mob Jewish mob involvement,

although mafia really fits the bill a lot better when you actually look at the names of people that were on the ground there.

My mother fucker was hated by a lot of people.

Yeah, I'd be curious if you've ever heard the story, we don't need to get all into Kennedy right now, but I heard that Kennedy that

John F. Kennedy basically had a meeting where he sat down with his dad and his mafia buddy, I forget exactly who it was.

Chicago.

Maybe. And they had a meeting where he was basically like, will you play ball? And John was like, yeah, I'll play ball.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

And then he basically double crossed them. Yeah, I was doing.

Yeah, so I believe it was you kind of I don't know I don't know the specifics.

I don't know whether John was in the room or anything, but I do know and it's been widely reported that, you know, effectively that was a razor thin election in

1960. He won because there were a lot of people who voted in Dallas, Texas and Chicago Illinois and some people who weren't alive.

And yes, yeah, there was the deal that like so the mafia thought was going to be their boy.

Right. And then my understanding is that him and his brother, Bobby, that's right went back on that word if it was given.

And and the mafia did not feel good about how they were playing out in that in that car. So there's a lot of evidence that the mafia was heavily involved.

And the CIA was heavily involved in and all sorts of other elements, Linda Mainchan and the Pentagon, like that we always close over that.

Exactly.

Yeah. So so that's one where it's like it's important to follow the actual evidence, the actual facts and regardless of Israel's involvement, they fucking benefit it greatly.

Because you can follow the APAC trail right to John F Kennedy's death of him demanding that they register APAC as a foreign agent.

And then they're like, oh, sorry. And like literally you can see the exact letter for letter for letter of like they had just sent them the documentation to register right before he was killed.

And then right after he was killed, Israel sends back a letter basically saying we're not going to register. Yeah, also then they restructured it.

It wasn't actually APAC. It was the AZC. I think is what it was termed before that the American science council. And then I got returned into APAC and they restructured so that wasn't they got all the all the Israelis out of it.

And it was American. Also LBJ found them very useful to LBJ was very useful to them as well.

Oh, yeah. Two way street. Two way street. Yeah.

And and then the nuclear thing is another big piece of that. And so there's that's this sort of like middle ground. But for me, one of the big things that kind of colors my my understanding of the whole thing is very well summarized by this documentary.

I cite a lot called the occupation of the American mind, which is on rumble. And it's a documentary that's very well put together and it's a lot of the people speaking in our Jewish people intentionally.

They also have Palestinian people. They also have British people. They kind of have the whole thing. And the whole thesis is not about like exactly just the history and the wars and all that.

It covers that. But it's really talking about how in the 80s when there was this massacre in the place called Sabra and Chatella.

It was one of the first massacres that was televised to Americans and Americans saw it. And suddenly they were like, what the fuck? This is not OK.

Israel Israel had allowed in a sort of like extremist group into a refugee camp to basically massacre all these civilians and footage of all these dead civilians came back to America and they've never seen anything quite like it.

Maybe a little Vietnam.

And suddenly there's a huge shift against Israel and Israel kind of realizes like, oh, fuck, we've got to win the prop. We've got to win the ideological war, not just a kinetic war.

And so in the 80s, there's this big shift towards Hasbara and towards and they hired a bunch of like the world's top propagandists to do it.

And they basically like wrote out a set of documents about this is how you represent what we're doing. And this is how you represent it to the world.

And that that thesis that that mindset has pervaded everything Israel has done ever since. And it's only gotten more and more important ever since.

And when you look at October 7th till today, you see it everywhere.

They've really fucked it up though.

They really fucked it up and they did not ready for that.

But like one of my favorite anecdotes that they talk about in this show and they show footage of it is that back in the 90s, we had the apprentice right here.

Where Donald's because we're the capitalists.

Yeah.

Where we are all about capitalism. And so it's like people,

are apprenticing under Donald Trump to get the job as the exact, you know, all that's very capitalists, right.

They have a parallel TV show called The Apprentice.

I don't, or not the ambassador.

And I don't think it still runs now.

But it was like, you know, timeline synced.

And that was all about who could run the best Hasbara?

Who could do the best explanation of Israel's, you know, being an ambassador to the world of Israel.

There's this famous quote that I don't think is from the show.

It's from one of the like an Israeli PR guy or something that's like, how does it go?

You know, it's easy to sell milk because when you sell milk,

half the people you sell it to aren't going to say that you support killing children.

And that you, you know what I'm saying is like,

is selling milk selling a product or is lemonade is the example he uses.

Like selling lemonade is not going to have people calling you all these names and saying you're a terrorist and saying you're an occupier and a colonizer.

And so he's like, on so our job is way harder.

And they have this whole show.

It's like this whole cultural thing of like, how do you represent Israel outwards?

And it's about how you always talk about the rockets raining down.

You always humanize like, how would you feel?

What would you do, right?

You're sure you have to write to defend itself.

Exactly. It's all these phrases that are intentionally can phrases that we hear all the time to reframe the conversation.

And to always, you know, flood the zone and with, with just like propaganda.

And so once you get a firm grasp on the Israeli perspective of propaganda,

it recolors how you intake information today.

And anyone can use those techniques.

Certainly, Al Jazeera can use those techniques.

And Hamas can use those techniques.

Absolutely.

They do sometimes for sure.

That being said, when you get to modern day Israel, which was,

was kind of my first initial feeling and it's pretty obvious right away,

that you're talking about one of the, A, it's a state that was funded by the most powerful banking family of the world.

It was ever known back in the day.

And there's a lot of debate about whether the Rothschilds still have that kind of power or not.

And it doesn't really matter in that sense.

Exactly.

Israel was backed by these fucking huge bankers that like had insane power

and had, you know, it's quite well documented that Jewish people,

though they are a minority and though they are often, you know, discriminated against,

they are the wealthiest and most successful racial group.

They stick together.

And they stick together.

Very right.

They stick together.

And to their credit, they stick together, right?

Yes.

But that means that when October 7th happens, all of them are deeply incentivized

for understandable reasons to group up and protect Israel.

Sure.

And they're, and they're also backed financially by the United States military to this day.

To the tune of billions and billions of billions of dollars in weapons systems

in the Iron Dome and all this shit, they've got helicopters and planes and nukes, right?

That they're not supposed to have.

And they're literally fighting against a, like, and the, and we'll get to the counter

argument here in a second on this.

But they're fighting against an impoverished people that like have some AK-47s,

like literally kids are throwing rocks at Israeli soldiers because they're just like,

fuck you.

Like the, the Palestinian people are so beat down and so captivized that they have nothing to fight with.

They don't have a government.

They don't have a fucking, especially in Gaza.

They don't have a government.

They don't have an intelligence agency.

They don't have billions of dollars.

They don't have a fucking tank.

They don't have weapons.

They don't have shit.

Um, and so it's like the rockets raining down is like,

it's pretty well known that the rockets coming from Hamas across the border in Israel.

The strategy is not that we're going to hit Israel with them.

And we're going to like kill people exactly.

The strategy is that I have a rocket that cost me, you know, $5,000, $10,000.

And it costs the iron dome, like what, I don't know, $1,000,000, $500,000 to shoot an iron dome rocket.

So it's just a war of money, right?

War of attrition in that sense.

And so there's all this sort of like confounding of the narrative that happens around what is happening.

I'm right down to the level of it is very well reported from sources in Israel

that BB Netanyahu himself funded Hamas, intentionally propped up and funded Hamas.

Yeah, it's a quote from a, from a Knesset meeting in 2019.

And I believe the exact quote was, if you want to ensure you don't have, I'm paraphrasing.

If you want to ensure you don't have a two-state solution, you must be okay with funding Hamas.

Yeah. And the last guy that was in power in Israel that promoted a two-state solution,

actually got the Oslo Accord signed, got murdered shortly after.

And there's a lot of controversy about, you know, whether that was a conspiracy or not,

whether it's Acrobean was assassinated by a Mossad asset or just some random right wing do that hated him.

And I'm, and I'm not claiming there's any clear answer to that.

But there's all this convolution around what's going on right now.

But when I just look at it with common sense before I know anything,

it's very obvious that there's an underdog in a fucking powerful nation here.

Yes. And that powerful nation is backed by the Western Empire.

Now let's, let's, let's look at this in a couple different lenses here.

And let's keep a pin on it. So don't let me get off a couple things.

I want to make sure we hit Netanyahu on one hand as far as like his whole life.

And then the concept of, of, of the, of Hamas as it pertains to the actual Palestinian people caught in the middle.

So we'll put a pin in that on Netanyahu.

I made a comment in episode 134 with Joby work the first time I recorded with him.

We were recording in January 2023.

And maybe it was like two hours and 25 minutes in that podcast.

Something was coming up about Israel.

And I made a comment that after I said it, I thought in my head, I'm like,

did I just say that out of my ass?

Do I, can I actually defend that?

Or did that just sound like the thing to say?

And the comment was something along the lines of,

there's a strong linkage in comparison between like a almost dictatorial holding on.

To power in a way between Netanyahu and Putin.

Like what's the difference there?

So I kind of like after that, I didn't say anything like in the podcast.

But afterwards, I was like, you know what?

I think I talked out of my ass there.

I think I need to actually go, go look at this a lot more.

So ironically, I spent 2023, my main topic was Israel in the Middle East.

I was asked deep in this shit.

I've read every word the Netanyahu wrote.

And you know, he's interesting because I will give him this.

He's a William Jefferson Clinton level politician.

He's a very smart guy.

But he's so full of himself that he reveals a lot of things about himself that he thinks sounds great.

And it does not.

And about his plan.

And about where things are going.

And about what countries we're going to take over next.

And so when you look at this, you know, there was, I was telling you about this in the car.

And this is something you should really look into.

The key moment in Netanyahu's life.

Just based off of the words he said as I can take it is when his brother Yoni was killed in 1976.

His brother Yoni was like a badass special forces guy commander.

They go to do a raid in Antebi.

And I believe Uganda.

Is that right?

Yeah.

And it's on like an airfield.

And long story short, he's the only one that gets killed.

And it like broke his heart the whole bit.

After that Netanyahu starts a world organization.

Like a conference kind of thing.

I forget what it was called, but it was basically talking about radical Islamic terrorism.

And he was the one who kind of started that line.

Now he rises to power in 1996 becomes prime minister from 96 to 99 for the first time in everything.

And he later, after a food baroque beat some, he comes back in the next government under I want to say Sharon.

Where he's the finance minister.

And he was actually a fucking incredible finance minister.

Like he really rebuilt their economy at the time in a lot of ways.

The reason he left the finance ministry though was over a political.

It was over a political principle.

And it was they were planning on giving Gaza to the Palestinians.

And he dislisted like a year.

He said the minute you do that, I have to resign into his credit.

I guess like he stuck to his guns.

He resigned.

I bring this up because it was a personal point to him.

Now that's 2005, 2006 they give that up.

The terrorists who went across the border in October 2023 when Gaza was given over those those kids they at the time they were zero to five years old.

Because these were all like 17 to 23 year old something like that.

They grew up in a 20 mile space where they really couldn't go anywhere.

We're locked in and actually let me steal manness and see some of this from Israel's perspective for a second.

If you're Israel you're in a lose lose situation here.

So you give them land because you're like alright we're going to give them land so we can say we did something we're going to pull all our people out.

But now we have a group of people some of whom won't care others who are going to be terrorists hiding among them who now live on our border.

And there's four borders of Gaza.

You have the north which touches Israel.

The east which touches Israel.

The south which touches the Sinai which Egypt technically owns but it's no man's land and terrorists run it and they don't fucking like the Palestinians.

So there's nowhere to go there.

And then the west which touches the sea.

But Israel has to stop them three miles out because now it's international waters that they could get around and do attacks in Israel the bad people.

Which means they can't get to the coral reef which I believe is eight to nine miles out there for they can't have a fishing industry.

So they lock in a 20 mile zone.

And I always say to people I'm like you know we got enough problems with like Mexico and the cartels and shit on our board put that aside for a second.

Imagine it's 2006 and Iraq is on our border.

We'd have the biggest wall of all time.

But important context there.

Please.

Because like it's it's Israel's fucking fault that they did like and I'm not saying that that's like the solution.

It's like the problem goes away.

I'm just saying that when you choose to move into a land surrounded by Arabs as Jews and you choose and the modern Jews there today did not choose this.

But their forefathers chose to move in and take that land with the tactics they did.

And there's fucking blowback to that.

Like when you treat these people this way when you fight them in this way and you and you wind up in this situation that is your fucking fault.

And so when they wind up with the Gaza strip with this population of captive children growing up to become Hamas terrorists.

They are in a loose loose situation of their own making because the truth of the matter is that.

My interpretation is that Netanyahu allowed likely allegedly allowed the October 7th attack to happen because that would give precedent to going into Gaza and wiping everything out.

What is it's not impossible.

Let me start with that.

Like if you could remove all emotion from this all human capital everything take away everything for a second.

We're not looking at this as like a human being.

We're just looking this is like an AI.

It's a smart move.

It would be the smart move.

Oh, 100%.

Right.

What evidence do we have of that happening?

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I'm going to make a rational argument but not a sources argument because the sources are very convoluted and hard to trust.

And I would want someone with like military experience like someone like a Scott Ritter to talk about like this source is from this place and this is like

because then you can follow that chain all the way up to like literally who's writing it.

Where is it coming out of the military and why do we trust that source?

And I have seen sources that claim it.

I think there is a scandal like that in this past.

Maybe we can find someone different.

I would say at the same time that I also have a hard time trusting when someone who speaks out against the regime

within the inside with inside information has a kid scandal like that.

I look very closely and I have not looked at Scott Ritter at all.

But I always look closely to make sure that it's a real scandal.

That's fair. He has had multiple though.

But what I mean to say about this argument is that I have seen sources that claim that.

But I always have a hard time kind of trusting them and you have to do a lot of digging to get to the heart of it.

But one thing that we know for sure is that that is one of the most militarized borders in the fucking world.

And that Israel is a surveillance machine.

Israel is the home of so much of the global information surveillance industry.

And the vast majority of Israelis have served in the IDF.

And actually, let's hold on.

There was clearly a stand-down order.

And we know there was a stand-down order.

And that is well reported.

Because Israel has admitted there was a stand-down order.

And it was reported in Israel journalism.

It was reported in American journals.

It was reported all around the world.

And it took a while for it to come out.

It took a couple months, as far as I remember, for it to come out.

But there was a stand-down order issued during the October 7th attack that caused a delay.

Why did they say they did that?

I don't remember if there was a good reason given, honestly.

I don't recall.

I mean, I have to look back at the reporting from 2023.

But also the other thing that was admitted later on is that the Hannibal directive was enacted.

Which is the, I guess, Israeli military policy that if hostages are being taken,

you don't let hostages be taken at all costs, including killing Israeli civilians.

And that was admitted by Israel and reported in Israel publications that it was admitted.

And it was known beforehand.

Because when you look at the photos of the cars that are all melted out from Nova Music Festival,

that's not something that RPGs do.

That's not something that AK-47s do.

Hamas did not have weapons that can fucking melt cars, right?

That is clearly a patchy helicopter fire.

And that was reported at the time by people just looking at it that had expertise,

being like, this is fucking not a thing.

Again, in the middle of it now, how's propaganda is later as a separate issue that we can talk about?

But in the middle of like a massive event like that,

if there are, you know, backups called in to try to stop something,

perhaps they're trying to shoot at people that are perpetrating the attacks?

Yeah, it could be accidental.

The implication from the Hannibal Directives that it was sanctioned intentionally.

And you know, I think it's a horrendous reasoning,

but I can see the reasoning of why you do that.

Because then you wind up like the moment that Hamas has hostages,

look where you wind up, right?

But there's all these little elements where like,

you fucking, you're telling me that hang gliders flew into Israel,

like this fucking bastion of intelligence and security.

And then it takes them so long.

Like so I did the math, because I'm an ultra marathon runner,

I did the math on that fucking, that retaliation on how long it took them to get to the border

to fight back against Hamas.

And it took them about the same amount of time as it would have taken me to run from Tel Aviv to the border.

If I've been really huffing it,

it took them like eight to 10, 12 hours, something like that, seven to 12 hours.

I don't remember.

It was a long time.

And I don't remember the specifics either.

But I remember like that a week after something like that doing the math of like,

wait a minute, like Israel's a fucking narrow little country.

You're telling me that they took them that long to realize,

like either they're incompetent as fuck, like fire everyone in your military,

or there was something going on there.

And when you look at the rhetoric,

when you look at BB statements,

when you look at the Lee Kud party's general sentiment towards Gaza,

the Palestinians and the greater Israel project,

which you can kind of piece together from various people statements over the years.

Is that like Smotritch's thing about like the biblical?

I think that different people have different,

like I think different Israelis probably have different levels of biblicalness

versus different levels of like just military objectiveness.

But there's like,

there were Israelis that were starting to wear patches on their fucking shoulders

that showed the greater Israel like borders,

which is to be clear a much more expanded version of Israel

that includes parts of all these other countries with them.

And obviously Gaza is one of the first steps in that.

And so when you look at their long term plans for like,

you need to fucking take this land and they've tried before,

but like the international community is repeatedly like,

you can't fucking do that.

That is a war crime.

Like another one, right?

Which also, you know,

collected punishment is a war crime, right?

Yes.

Killing civilians, killing doctors, killing journalists.

All these are war crimes.

Sanctual.

Yeah, and there's a couple things here.

Number one, we know thousands of people are dying.

Thousands.

Number two, just for the,

to keep the emphasis on what's important,

which is let's stop people dying.

We also got to be careful with the numbers on every report

because they are coming from the Gaza Health Ministry

and we don't want to cut out the legs of the argument from under it.

Number three, there are, there is censorship going on.

As best as I can tell,

I guess Israel doing that from people who are trying to,

I don't know, blow the whistle on some of the things they're seeing.

There's one,

and I forget his name.

Maybe we can pull it up a lesson.

There's one Jewish doctor who's been working at the hospitals in Palestine

who's talking about how there's clearly,

to him, orders being given to shoot indiscriminately

at people that they're,

that they could be telling the IDF.

Oh, that's a terrorist and it's fucking kids

and getting shot through the heart.

Yeah, kids through the heart.

Clear, sniper bulletiners.

Correct.

And to be clear,

there is well-documented cases of that going back way before October 7th.

Yes.

The thing to, the context to remember here is that on the day of October 7th,

Israel had in its jails and prisons more Palestinian hostages

that had no charge of a crime that were just in an undetermined amount of detention

than Hamas took in all of October 7th.

So like when you look at the hostage balance,

like Israel had this huge amount of hostages from Gaza and from the West Bank,

mostly from Gaza,

already just chilling.

That's this constant flow of like,

they'll break into your house at night and take your kids.

They'll break into your house and take you.

They'll arrest you for random fucking crimes.

You have no like two-tier justice system for days.

And so the number of hostages that Israel already had was way exceeding

what then Hamas came over and took.

And that was a truce.

Don't fucking do that.

And then so now Hamas has some hostages.

They give some back.

Israel still has all these fucking hostages all along.

And call them what you want to call them.

Call them terrorists and you not terrorists.

But like the imbalance of like the way that Israel always frames things

is so clearly propagandized in every form.

Right from the start every time when you actually know even like a basic

amount of information about it.

And even if like for example the death numbers are fudged,

the death numbers are still out of control.

Even if the bomb's tonnage is fudged.

Like most reporting I see is saying that Israel has dropped more tonnage

of bombs on Gaza since this war broke out on October 7th.

Then we're dropped in all of World War II combined.

Probably excluding the atom bomb,

but I'm not sure if it's actually excluding the atom bomb.

Yeah, where are we going?

I don't know how you measure that.

I mean, obviously that you can see imagery like they've

leveled Gaza.

So like I don't want to get into that.

But that's a good example again where it's like I don't even trust

that kind of a number because it doesn't really matter.

Yeah.

We can just look and see from video footage from like the basic logic

that this is an insane retaliation for what happened and we know

that that population is like half women and children at least, right?

All right.

So let's separate something for a second.

Let's let's agree that what Israel is doing at this point to

continue perpetrating what they're doing on Gaza is wrong.

And some of it is tan amount to genocide.

Fun.

In the general concept of things, if I never,

I don't really use these terms.

So I never remember which one is the right definition.

But if you could like steel man, the Israeli perspective,

not on killing kids and killing innocent civilian women and men

and stuff like that.

But on the idea of they are one,

whatever it is, like 10 million population pocket in the middle

of billions of Arabs and Islamic states around them who have one spot

and therefore it's like, you know,

can you see where they're coming from to be like?

Oh, totally.

We're trying to exist.

We only have one little spot.

Yes, it's a very important piece of land.

But like all these other places have all these spots

and they're trying to completely get rid of us.

We're the good guy here.

Yeah. And I can, I can see how you would also clearly,

like it's your right that Hamas is a horrible organization.

Hamas is a terrorist organization that does terrorist acts.

And they are equally evil to the, well, not equally.

But they are also evil to the Palestinian people.

Yeah, they're also not Palestinian.

They're horrible people.

And most of them, yeah, most of them are being shifted.

There's this whole other terror network that is, you know,

being funded by Iran and all these other, you know,

it is not as simple as just saying like the Palestinians

are all innocent and the Israelis are hurting.

Right.

Obviously.

And yes, the argument of like, what would you do?

Like Israel has to defend itself to a certain degree, I understand.

But also like, if a bully bullies one kid in my classroom,

then it's like, maybe the teacher should step in and like,

sort this out and help everyone get along.

But if a bully walks into a crowd of like 100 best friends

and starts bullying one of them like, like, incessively,

and then all the best friends start being like,

we'll fuck you up.

Is it like, I'm sorry, dude.

Like, what are you doing?

Where are you doing that?

Why are you doing that?

You should probably learn to make friends.

And as a teacher in my experience, actually,

all bullies are just kids that were hurt.

And I'm not intentionally trying to say that like,

I'm not trying to overdraw this metaphor.

But it's in a teaching world.

A lot of bullies are actually kids that were hurt.

Don't have a family that loves them things problem at home.

And once you teach them to be diplomatic with their friends,

with the kids that they're trying to get along with by bullying,

they actually are often the biggest sweethearts.

And they're often like, totally wonderful people

once they learn the social skills to do it.

And in a certain parallel, I would wish that Israel would try,

and I know Israel will say, and they do,

that we've tried giving them the land back.

We've tried diplomas.

We've tried giving them things.

And what do we get in return?

Rockets raining down on us.

And it's like, yes, to a certain degree that is true,

like for sure.

And to a certain degree, that is the consequences of your own

fucking actions.

That is the consequences of you terrorizing these people.

And you're inevitably going to have terrorists growing up

in that population that will continue to terrorize you.

That is not an excuse to take the low road

and to bomb all the next generation of them

and to make a whole fucking thousand million more terrorists.

Because that is all you're ever going to do.

You're either going to eradicate every single one of them.

Or every single last one of them you didn't eradicate

will hate you till they die.

And they will do everything they can to kill you.

Because you've killed their family, their parents,

their sisters, their loved ones.

So what do they have to lose, right?

If I lived, like, let's be clear.

I don't.

So thank fucking God I'm not.

But if I lived in Gaza,

I would probably be a fucking terrorist.

Like, I am such a rebel.

I am so inherently a rebellious person.

And I think that most people,

if they lived in Gaza and their family

and their people had been treated that way,

most people with a spine would fight back, right?

And if you didn't fight back,

you're kind of a fucking coward.

Yeah, I talk about this a lot with any form of terrorism

regardless of where it is.

It's like, I don't empathize with the act.

You go blow up a building of a hundred people,

like fuck that and fuck you.

Yeah.

What I do always try to understand for a future perspective

and trying to make the world a better place

is trying to empathize with what got the person to that point.

Yes.

What was in their environment that got them to that point?

And how can we improve that in next generation?

So there's one less of them.

Yeah, exactly.

And I would wish upon those Palestinian people

that had been wrong like that,

that I would hope that they can mature enough

to take that high road.

Because when I was younger, I would have joined up.

I would have been like, fuck this shit, I'm fighting.

But as you get older, you realize like me now,

I'd be like, no, there needs to be a high road here

because violence is an endless cycle of violence.

And I think Israel is the one in the position

to try to take that high road.

And the problem about a high road

is you have to stay on the high road.

And just because you take the high road

and then the bully punches you again,

doesn't mean you like, oh, now I'll just bully you back.

It's like, that's just a fucking endless cycle of violence.

And so like, that's sort of this dynamic

that is there is no good win.

But ultimately, if you keep on bombing as your solution,

you're just gonna keep on killing

and you're gonna keep on getting hated

and the whole thing will just keep on cycling.

And you're gonna keep on losing American support

because Americans more and more are looking at him

like, why the fuck are we sending billions of dollars over there?

Like, why am I paying taxes on my labor here in the United States

to send over to your country

so you can bomb your problem?

While simultaneously, you're passing anti-speech laws

in my country that is making it so that I cannot speak out

about this other foreign government.

I can say all the shit I want about the CIA

and about the government and about President Trump

on my fucking, in my country,

but I'm not allowed to criticize another country

or I might get deported or I might get,

like, lose my college degree or whatever the fuck goes on.

Like, not to mention you can't boycott Israel now,

anti-boycott sanctions, that best possible.

Yeah, when they were voting on the other day.

They were about to and it got pulled.

That's good.

Yeah, I mean, I was on the trigger

to start making videos of like,

these are all the companies you are not allowed to boycott.

Just to be clear, do not boycott these companies.

It would be illegal if you were to boycott

these fucking companies

because that's the kind of person I am.

Because, like, don't fuck with our Constitution, bro.

Like, that is not a winning strategy either, right?

But now, here's the thing.

Always bring up on this.

That's interesting, okay?

First of all,

is very odd.

Like, it's called APEC, right?

So, A-I-P-A-C.

Replace that eye with anything.

Not China, okay?

Like, you can start with people that we view as enemies, right?

Don't even the ones that we view as enemies.

Don't even replace it with that.

Replace it with a B for Britain.

Yeah.

If people, if it were a back or whatever the fuck would be called,

people would be like, why the fuck is Britain

lobbying our government to tell us what to do?

You know what? You might be our friends.

We thought we'd fucking war 250 years ago.

First of all, Britain does and can lobby our government

and they register as a foreign agent to do it.

Right. Which is different.

And I would argue it's also fucking stupid

and we should stop that.

But it's designated.

And I'm not a super expert

at all the legal implications of this.

But the registration, one of the basic things it does

is it forces different standards

about where is the money coming from, right?

So that we have a lot more transparency

about registered foreign agents, about where the money's coming from

and what it's funding and all this stuff.

Sure.

Whereas APAC does not have to do that

because it's American.

Right.

And so, point being, like, I'll put myself

in Israel's shoes for a second.

We have a democracy here in America

that...

Well, we have a republic that is democratic in nature.

Okay. Either way.

Every place of ideas where, you know,

which also has its downsides

and people being able to curry influence and stuff like that.

So I'm all the way over here in the Middle East.

Everyone hates me.

These guys, this country is my friend.

I'm going to find every way I can to keep them close to me.

And one of the ways I can do that,

there's other ways we've talked about already.

But one of the ways I can do that

is to curry influence there.

Which they've always been doing.

So they use our system that we allow them to do.

They're allowed to do it. It's in the open.

And curry favor among our politicians

because they give money that they're freely allowed to give

to do it.

And so I always turn around and say on this,

why the fuck haven't we looked internally to stop that?

Why do we not say they need to be a foreign registered agent?

Like, they're...

And two years ago, two years ago, pre-October 7th,

the easy argument would have been,

because they already have too much influence.

And you could still make that argument today.

But if you look at, like,

I'll use the example Thomas Massey on the right side,

which is completely apacked up,

except for him.

And he's a libertarian.

He's listed as like a Republican,

but he's a pure libertarian guy.

When he's come out against APAC,

which no one on his side does,

it's up to his numbers.

They go after him,

but that's what I'm saying.

It's up to his numbers.

So why is America not looking internally and saying,

you know what? Like, fuck it.

Right now, they're free to pay candidates

that may be more supportive of them.

But like, people don't want to see any countries

let alone people that, you know,

even claim to be our allies,

influencing what we do here in America

and influencing laws here in America.

So why don't we change that?

Why don't we look internally and change that?

I don't know if there's two answers to that at least.

And the first one is that a process of public support shifting

takes a long time, right?

And so, Massey is an example of someone

who stands on principle and his numbers have gone up

because he's stood on those principles, right?

But all the other right wingers that are already funded

by APAC, they're a fucking cushion.

They're making all their money.

There's probably some other checks floating around.

They are doing great from all that influence from APAC.

And so you would have to slowly unseat those people

from like the public voting them out over time.

And that would not be easy,

because APAC will pour fucking money into defeat you.

But the other big one,

and this is like the big fucking crux

on the center of the table

that none of the pro-Israel people

have a very rational or strong argument about, is Epstein.

Like, Epstein is clearly a, like,

it is clearly a Jewish organization on behalf of Israel.

And I think that it is just one cell

of a global trafficking network of many

different black male operations did he included

that because like they're all plugged into the human

workers, they're all plugged into the drug workers

because they're all doing business together,

the money launders.

It's not like all human workers are Jewish and Israeli.

But Epstein's cell was clearly Jewish

and Israeli aligned.

And that black male is still being held

by whoever his handlers were.

And it does not line up in any,

in any picture, in my mind,

that the CIA was running that.

I agree.

And it does not, it certainly does not line up

that Qatar was running that.

And people, if you would say that,

you're a paid, could you?

I know, right?

I've got to get my fucking paycheck somehow.

And I've even heard people alleged

that he was a Saudi asset, which is like,

Leslie Wexner's entire life was dedicated

to financing Israeli, pro-Israeli organizations,

to founding the Wexner Heritage Foundation

to all across remembrance things.

He was one of George Bush's like reps

in the Israel site.

And that's another element of this too,

is I recently heard people discussing how like,

Israel's all alone.

Like Israel doesn't have a foundation.

Israel doesn't have all these like,

these powerful grids.

Are you kidding me?

Like Israel has foundation on foundation on foundation

on foundation on foundation.

Israel has entire censorship like networks of organizations.

And like, I hate to go down the route,

but like the anti-Semitic conspiracy theory,

which is a really propagandistic term,

that there's a lot of powerful Jews

in powerful places that can pull a lot of strings.

And I'm just talking in terms of facts.

I'm not saying that it's like some giant Jewish cabal conspiracy

that they're like controlling everything through this.

I'm just saying that when you happen to have like,

a Jewish person as the CEO of MSNBC,

and of Fox News,

Fox News is an alignment of Murdoch,

but Facebook and all these places,

banks as well,

it's not all of them, but it's a fuckload.

They are not anti-Israel,

and they have every incentive to be pro-Israel, right?

We do also.

I'm not denying that there are a ton of organizations

within media and particularly,

and some other stuff where you can look

at the top of the sea suite at different companies

and see that there is a Jewish person there.

But sometimes,

I think the other side of this argument

is that we focus in on all the ones that have that

and then kind of like delete all the ones that don't.

And so I'm not saying that there's not influence there.

There is.

Guys like Arnon Milchon exist.

You guys can Google him.

It's all admitted, right?

Like that is a real thing.

So here's where it gets conflated

into an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory,

kind of an attack on this.

I'm not saying that they control everything.

What I'm saying is that they are in those positions.

That person individually is that thing.

And that person individually is that thing.

If you work at that company

and you're like the most popular news anchor at MSNBC

and your CEO is going to Israel

to do the Menahaki Games.

I forget what it's called.

It's like, what's the name?

Brian Johnson, I forget.

And you start coming out hard against Israel

on your prime time show on his network.

Are you going to keep your job?

And I'm not saying he'll for sure fire you.

I'm just asking will he like,

are you allowed on his network to do that?

I think, yeah.

No, it definitely gets into its limits.

In some regards, it's his company.

It's private company.

Well, it's actually a public company.

But in some regards, I know what you're saying.

Fair.

But what I'm saying is that Israel is not alone.

I'm saying that Israel has very powerful partners

in very powerful places in very many industries,

including a lot of cultural and media aligned industries,

as well as banking and finance industries.

That's, that's the one thing.

It's very easy.

And I see a lot of guys do this,

where they just say like,

oh, this guy's in charge of this company.

Jewish connections.

Israel.

But it's not that simple.

I also grew up in New Jersey, bro.

All my friends are Italian, Irish, Jewish, Greek, and Mexican.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

So like,

because it every Jewish individual, right?

Yes.

And they'll have their individual loyalties and opinions

and perspectives.

And a lot of Jews that live around the world

do not support Meebi Netanyahu.

That's right.

Right?

Like we were saying earlier,

a lot of them support Israel, but not Bibi.

A lot of them don't even support,

they're not even really that down with Israel, right?

So there's like this individuality

in each of these people.

Um,

and you can be down with Israel as the country

and have,

and have a allegiance to that as someone

who is a part of the Jewish diaspora,

and not be down with the current actions.

The same way that I'm not down with fucking Dick Cheney's regime.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Like we've got to make that distinction

to be able to have the conversation,

because there's so many people who are just going so far with this

and they're co-mingling all the terms,

and it's getting uncomfortable to listen to.

If we're going to have a diplomatic conversation

to do what?

Stop fucking people dying here?

Children dying?

Like let's do it in a way that actually moves it forward,

instead of playing like a fucking this guy, this guy,

this guy, this guy, this guy, game.

You want to play it with a guy like that,

who's directly up on the screen,

who's directly tied to Epstein,

and has said a lot of interesting things

that fucking John Kuriyaka went in on,

and with Pierce Warriors.

Yeah.

Der Sherwitz is still walking free.

Right.

No one's fucking put him on trial.

Knock yourself out with that.

Yeah.

But you know,

there's so many threads we hang on to with certain people.

It's like focus on the people who we can tie things to

that are not doing things that are positive

to say, stop the war.

But there is an element to this that I think is not contentious

though it is uncomfortable to talk about,

in that suppose you have 10 Jews around the world

in their own individual lives, you know,

running companies and being successful people

and whatever they're doing, right?

Israel's, like they, some of them don't like Israel,

some of them love Israel,

some of them in between, whatever.

Israel still has all the ability in the world

and incentive in the world to pressure them to like Israel, right?

Okay.

Agreeable.

As in, I'm not saying that like they're all going to get along

with Israel and they're all going to go along with it.

But Israel certainly has every reason to approach them

and be like, why would you not support us?

And like, and I think that every Jewish person around the world

feels this pressure in a certain way.

And some people have no problem with it.

That's fine.

It's like, those are my people.

I love them.

And some people I think it's uncomfortable to be a Jew right now

because if you have any criticism of Israel,

you can be, you know, ostracized by your, by your people.

You can be kicked out of the family.

Like you can be, there is immense cultural in pressure

from the Jewish people for perfectly understandable reason

to conform to like you must support the, you know,

at least the basic truth of global Judaism

because we are a people at risk at all times, right?

And so Jewish people are targets of pressure in a way

that makes it complicated for them to deal with, right?

And that it's not like if you're a Jewish,

you just have to make a personal choice.

Do I support Israel or do I not?

You have to, if you want to not support Israel as a Jewish person today,

you unfortunately have to make a conscious choice

to go through some shit.

If you're going to, if you're going to, in any way,

speak up against it or do anything against it.

And I think that every Jewish person online

that is like in the media that speaks up against it

can attest to how they are treated by the rest of the Jewish community

for that kind of criticism.

And so the other aspect of that that is subtle

is subtle and I don't want to overstate it.

But it is an important factor to think about

in the intelligence agency world here,

is that when Jewish intelligence, or sorry,

when Israeli intelligence, very important distinction,

is recruiting, the first person you're going to go to is Jewish people.

Like obviously, if you're the mafia

and you're trying to recruit somewhere

and there's an Italian there,

you're going to go to the Italian cops.

You're going to go to the Italian cops.

Exactly.

Because there has always been in grouping of racial stuff

when you're doing secret stuff,

when you're doing criminal stuff,

when you're over stuff, that's obvious,

because you got to keep secrets.

You got to be able to trust them, right?

And so if a Jewish person is in an organization,

the first person that Israel will approach

if they're trying to get in there is that Jewish person.

And so that is this dual loyalty question

that is impossible to answer.

And that gets to this heart of why I think that,

I mean, we're here now,

and I'm not saying we should destroy Israel,

certainly not saying that,

because those are people.

And you know, you can't fucking hurt, you know,

you're trying to not hurt people.

But I do think that it was a mistake to found the Jewish state,

because just the existence of Israel as the Jewish state,

that inherently places the dual loyalty question

on every Jewish person around the world,

whether they deserve it or not.

But you could say, hold on one second.

So you could look at another stateless people right now,

like the Kurds, which is a whole rabbit hole and stuff

like that, who also have a diaspora

that exists in some effect around the world.

And if they were, I think,

righteously at some point given land here,

you could say the same thing about them.

I think the largest part of the issue with Israel

is the fact of the land where it was founded more than anything.

Not to say there wouldn't be a problem.

Any land you founded on that previously belonged to someone else.

There's always going to be a problem.

I want to make that clear.

But the fact that it was the holiest of the holiest land,

literally written about in the oldest books that exist

in the human fucking language.

Yeah, I don't know what I mean.

I would agree that's a bigger factor.

Yes.

I'm just saying this is an important factor to understand.

Sure.

In terms of how intelligence agency operations

and especially like a Jeffrey Epstein type of operation works.

Yes.

Right?

Because a lot of the things that are actually playing out

on the world stage right now are intelligence agency

and organized crime style operations.

And we need to understand that.

And so when you look at the Jeffrey Epstein network,

it's like it's not a mistake of why it's all Jewish people

around him at the top.

Like mostly all Jewish people.

It's because like those are who you can trust

with that kind of an operation.

And those are who like duh.

Sure.

Right?

And it's the same with all the other like, you know,

organized crime groups.

No, you make a good point, right?

It's always that way.

And so it's like, and so it gets conflict.

I think that the people like I, I'll just say myself,

when I'm talking about this,

I get smears being anti-Semitic

because I'm pointing out Jewish people in these contexts.

Like Lucy and Grange, for example,

is involved in the Diddy suit, right?

Although his name was mysteriously taken off

of Lowrod's lawsuit.

Same with Universal Music Group.

Just fucking disappeared.

Funny how that happens.

But Lucy and Grange is the CEO of Universal Music Group

and he's Jewish.

And he seemed to be clearly implicated

in all the stuff that Diddy was doing,

financing it, attending it,

like knowing what was happening at it.

And you know, I don't have,

I've not seen any evidence that he's associated

with like Israeli intelligence.

I've not seen any evidence that he's associated

with Assad or anything like that.

But I certainly have seen stuff that looks like

he kind of is acting in a mobster kind of way

here in America.

You know, and that, and so like,

when I look at the music industry as one example

to kind of dive into a rabbit's whole, like,

rats nest real quick,

the music industry has a lot of indications

that there's still mob-like tendencies

being utilized by some, probably not all,

of the Jewish executives in the music industry.

And there's a long history in the music industry

of the Jewish mob specifically using that industry

to launder money and to control things

and to do all sorts of fucking operations, right?

And so when you're looking at that type of operation,

it is relevant if someone is Jewish or not.

But that's not to say, and it's important not to conflate it,

that every Jewish person is inherently a part of it, right?

Right.

And so when you look at the Israel dual loyalty thing

that I was just talking on, it's unfortunate

because like, because Israel is what it is,

if, for example, what was the Jonathan Pollard?

Like Jonathan Pollard is a great example

of like a Jewish person who is an American

who rises up the ranks in America

to high level of the American government

and then turns.

And it's a spy for Israel, right?

And like, you could, I mean,

another good example is Jeffrey Epstein.

Dude was born in New York.

Another good example is Leslie Wexner.

Dude was born in Ohio, right?

I'm pretty sure.

He's American.

No.

I believe he is American.

I'm pretty sure he's American, right?

Can we check that?

Leslie Wexner.

I think I'm confusing it because I got on that train

and I was like, wait a minute.

Is Benjamin Netanyahu fucking born in America?

He's not.

He's not.

But he moved here as a kid.

But that's why I was shouting him.

Date in Ohio, yeah.

Yeah, exactly, right?

And so that is the sort of dual loyalty question

that is just messy.

And it's not, it's unavoidable.

And I think that any serious like CIA operative

would understand that question, right?

Like if you're a CIA operative

and you're working alongside a Jewish man.

Understand it.

Do you know what happens that day one in CIA?

They take them back to a room.

They're not, they call it the red light room

of the biggest espionage threats.

And it's like Israel, China, and Russia.

Bingo, right?

They already know, right?

And it's obvious why you would be concerned

about working alongside a Chinese person, right?

It's obvious why you'd be concerned

about working alongside a Russian, right?

And we have lots of evidence

of Israel spying on America,

doing covert operations against America,

stealing technology from America,

and documenting the 9-11 attacks in some strange way.

At least elements of their government doing that.

And so that's where it's like the smear

of this is an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory

is a propaganda tactic.

And it is very well used and overused

and it is destructive to actual anti-Semitism.

That's, I agree, 100%.

And that's where my point I was making

a couple of minutes ago comes in

to where people just loosely pull

on every person who happens to be Jewish

and then also eliminate all the people

who are non-Jewish to create like a smaller strike zone

because then they can be accused of that.

And it takes away from an important conversation

that may have to happen.

And it's a complicated and a fine line.

Very fine line.

It requires discernment.

It requires deep research.

And often you don't know if someone is Jewish.

Like it's not like everyone has

a fucking Wikipedia page that will just tell you.

And so it's like,

you have to take it all with a lot of grains of salt

and you have to think very critically about it.

Because ultimately it is important to come back

to remembering that even if you hate what Israel's doing,

even if you hate that they're bombing children

and you think that they're the worst thing ever

and they don't even deserve to exist,

even if that's you,

you've still got to remember

that the dude next door to you that's Jewish,

he's just a dude.

He's just a wonderful dude raising his family.

And like these people know intimately in their family,

their grandparents come from a time

when they saw what can happen

if everyone turns on Jewish people.

That's right.

And even today,

I mean, I would argue,

I would plead.

And a lot of people would be pissed off this.

I would plead that Jewish people should really

work on growing a thicker skin.

Like, and it's like,

right, like you should grow a thicker skin.

Unless he's like,

cut the mic.

Right?

And what I mean by that.

What I mean by that is that when every,

like when a criticism of a Jewish person like Jeffrey Epstein

is like an offense to Judaism,

it's like, bro, calm down.

Calm the fuck down.

Like I am not criticizing you.

Right?

And in the exact same way that like when you're growing up

and you take offense at every little insult at you

and you like get really reactive,

people will start just fucking poking you just to get a reaction.

Right?

And as a teacher,

you see this with kids all the time,

the kid that can't take a fucking joke,

they're constantly tormented.

Because then suddenly all the bull,

all the little kids are like,

ah, fucking Peter has a big nose.

Like,

Donnie looks stupid.

Right?

And then they just get more,

and it's just like,

bro, just grow a thick skin.

It's okay to like,

don't worry if someone makes a jab at you that it's harmless.

Don't worry if it's harmless.

If it's harmless.

If someone makes a funny like,

and it is, when it is harmless, right?

Yeah, I think they're fine-line.

Yes, there's a fine line,

and there's still,

there's still also a clear line there too,

I'll fix that afterwards, don't worry.

But like, you know,

you see like the recent example with Dave Portinoi.

That's what,

and there were people coming at him like,

oh, and they were using your argument.

Like, oh, grow some thick skin.

If someone comes into your business,

even if it wasn't his business,

and puts up a sign like that,

the sign said like,

fuck,

is there something like that?

Yes,

Imagine if that said,

fuck the,

and insert another race here.

No one would argue with people,

you know, like,

going again,

with someone like Portinoi responding

to that being like,

oh, fuck that.

And we're going out.

I'm just thinking about it first.

If it said that,

if it said that,

100% people would be behind,

like being like,

who the fuck did this?

100% no doubt in my mind.

There would,

you'd have the people who are like,

even like the most like,

what if it said,

fuck people?

Oh, I would,

I would,

I wouldn't be about,

I would not be about that.

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that America

wouldn't have a problem with it right now.

If, if he,

if he went after that,

I would have no problem

with him going after people.

And yes,

unfortunately,

there would be people in America be like,

yeah, that's the picture you're going to document.

But there'd be a lot of people

who'd be like,

oh, fuck that.

That's racist as fuck.

But you're right.

There's a double standard.

I'm sorry about the fact that

you're not kidding.

The other things I'm saying,

if there were other rates,

it's cause whites are like the top of the,

what's it called,

the intersectionality cover,

whatever,

but if it,

if it's any minority group or whatever,

that was on that sign

and you insert that word there,

no one would be giving important oil shit

for trying to call this out.

But they're giving them shit right now

because they're like,

oh, you can't take it

cause you're Jewish.

So I think there has to be,

like a clear line in the sand there.

But like you said,

like that's a dumb fucking,

like bad move, bro.

Don't fuck that sign.

Like that's not helpful to anyone.

That doesn't,

fucking cause. No, right. And then, and then also it's like, then they're coming

after Dave Portner for that. It's like, like, bro, it's his private business,

dude. Like he can keep you out if you, if he wants to, like, get over it, dude.

That's how it goes. Don't like, you know, don't bring an assigned into

Julien D'Arri's podcast. It's like, fuck Julien D'Arri, he's a show, right?

Duh. It's like everything about that interaction. It's just like, I'd

probably ask you why you have it. I don't know what you got to do.

He's kind of like that. And that's what I'm saying is that I'm not saying

that it's, we should just make it okay to fucking attack you.

People definitely not saying that. What I'm saying is that where they're,

where you see opportunities in your life to kind of take the high road and just

like, and, and, and, and reorient a situation into building a relationship

instead of building a attack or a victimization or a, when there are

genuine opportunities that we find for those things, it's good to try to take

them, right? Because I think there's a lot of times when, when someone feels

a certain way about Israel and a Jewish person takes that as like a personal

offense and it becomes a, like, a character attack problem that becomes

why it's the divide, right? Whereas I've met lots of Jewish people that don't

take that reaction. And instead, they're like, why do you think that? Or they're

like, I don't agree with you, but like, they, but they will treat you as a whole

person with other, but those people, you, you just get along with them.

Great is no problem. And it's like, suddenly, those are, those are ways of

interacting that bring us closer together.

That's how almost everyone I've talked to in my life is. The people who

aren't like this are the weird people on Twitter. Exactly.

Kind of keyboard and probably backed by every Twitter is a rage fest that

just prioritizes and promotes hatred and fighting and division.

We got it, like, not, not to be a total hippie here, but we got it just

just get along. Why can't everyone just get along? Everyone, like you were saying,

cooler heads, I've got to take the high road and prevail here.

I think we're in a growing period, right? We're in a period where like this

conversation is opening and it's uncomfortable and it's hard and everyone is

not, no one's a fucking expert. And even the experts have their dogman and

indoctrination. And so it's just this really messy conversation where I would

hope that the people that are anti-Israel can grow to empathize more and

understand Israel more. And I would hope that people that are pro-Israel

can learn to empathize and understand more the plight of the Palestinians.

And hopefully we can all just mature a little bit by a little bit by a

little bit by having more conversations and more, like, in-person real

interactions with people that are different than you and see the humanity and

other people because, like, violence is cycles, right? And it always will cycle.

And if you just keep killing people, they'll keep killing you and you'll keep

killing them. And it'll, it'll never end.

Never end. Yeah. That's a great spot to close it, Ian Carroll.

Yes, sir. It's a bit entertaining to sell. Thanks, man.

I am very impressed with the depth of things you look at.

And I appreciate you going through difficult topics and asking

difficult questions and those people who are going to agree with you.

I've got a lot to learn between, but yeah, things are always moving.

You know, new information's always coming on. I know you're going to be at the

forefront of trying to get it. Trying to learn.

Working everyone's right on you. You can find me on YouTube at Ian

Carroll's show. That's where I'm making most of my stuff right now.

Trying to go longer digs. And then my Twitter is at Ian

Carroll's show, although I'm being less and less active on it.

And my website is canceliancarole.com. If you want to support me,

get merch or keep up with other kind of like new giveaways and stuff that I'm

doing. So all right. Well, links down below. Thanks, Ian.

See you, though. Everyone else you know what it is. Give it a thought.

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