You Won't Be Stuck In The Middle UFO's And Gods From Producer Bill Myers

0:00It really is about having fun, exploring, and finding things out that you didn't know so you can say, oh wow, I can't wait to share this. It's what we do on arrow.net, 21 different podcasts, ARROE.net. One of our big ones right now is a thing called Music's Lost History. You know the music, you know the artist, but can you name them if I give you the hints? Name them before we share them with you. arrow.net, ARROE.net. Enjoy your exploration. Good morning. Where are you located at today, sir? I am in Southern California. Where are you hanging? I'm hanging out over here in Carolina, so whatever you're getting, otherwise we usually end up getting. I'm sorry, don't want. How did you get involved with a project like this? Because this is a true conversation starter, and I wanted to be an activator as well. OK, I did not want to be a part of this.

1:02No, my chin hat, foil, chin hat, was in the dry cleaners at the moment, so I was not really the fond of jumping in that water. But the guy challenged me, the man with the mining executive producer, and I tried to pass it off to some other directors and producers, but it kept bouncing back to me. So I did the research and thought, well, yeah, this is a timely piece. But this was hundreds of thousands of dollars ago, and four years in the making. So we took it pretty seriously. See, that's one of the things that a lot of people who are clicking into shows on Netflix and Hulu or even going to the movie theater, they don't realize the amount of time and perspiration that is put into every project. And it should be something that should be more respected today, instead of, OK, so you did something. Well, yeah, that's true, but I mean, it sure beats being a migrant worker somewhere and breaking my back. So I'm not complaining too hard.

2:03But this project in particular, I was not fond of doing it all. What was it that drew you closer in? Was it the money or was it the intrigue of wanting to know? Because this side, because the more and more I got into it, I thought, oh my god, why have I never even touched this before? Yeah, yeah. The money wasn't a deal, but I'm a big fan of going after truth. And this was a truth that was either being ignored or just being exploited by people that are, you know, make a money. So I figured, OK, let's step in. Let's do something serious, but still entertaining that people can rely on. So we wound up with this film. Well, when you come up with truth like you were just talking about, you know that's going to ruffle up some feathers. That's one of those things. Redea, put up the protection guard. Or is it that you just say, look, I'm going to stick to what I've learned. And we're going to go from here. Yeah, probably the protection guard was important in my 20s and 30s and 40s.

3:06But now that I'm 50s and 60s and progen 70s, I don't give a rip anymore. If it's true, I live with a baby. But don't make me live for you. One of my favorite things to do is that research. And it's a, what did you get out of it? I mean, were there any, oh, wow, moments that really kind of changed the leaning of your path? Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. No, I came in pretty skeptical. But, you know, we looked at three areas. The first was, what are these things? The second was, well, my first is, are they real? Yeah. So we, a lot of time researching that. And we discovered that about one to 5% of the sightings are unidentified. Everything else has some sort of basis. But it's at 5% that kept sticking in everybody's cross. So our first question was, are they real? We did our research.

4:06We talked to military dudes. We talked to, we saw some congressional reports. The government is starting to say yes. It's just because the government says it doesn't mean I believe it. But there's a whole bunch of that. Eyewitnesses came in probably last on our list because eyewitnesses can be a little unreliable and maybe want to see things. But I mean, when you start talking about a minute man, nuclear, missile, launch facility being shut down when the things are hovering over it, then you got a reason to go, well, something going on. Right. So the first question was, are they real? And then the second question that we dealt with is, what are they? And that's when it started to get a little dicey. A lot of people think they're military, right? It's a great secret. Whatever. Well, the only problem is the Russians in Chinese are having the same issues. So we're all spying on each other.

5:09The second thing is when we did the research, we saw that they were, it's a pattern that's been throughout human history. I mean, the Bible talks about chariots of fire. Yes. In the 19th century, there were dirtibles. And people would always describe, this is what I found so fascinating. People would always describe these things in their, in our latest technology. Even the North American Indians have these canoe-roeing entities across the sky. And the Germans, the whole flying saucer thing happened when the Germans were playing with something like that, the form in World War II in the 40s. That plus structurally the stuff that these things can do can, it just doesn't, it doesn't work physically. There's no heat signature, no sonic booms, no control surfaces. So it started to become pretty clear that no, we're not dealing with military guys or

6:10military issues. So the second one, this is the one everybody's jumping on right now is, oh, well, maybe they're extraterrestrial, right? Maybe they're planets. And the only problem with that, again, is we kept kicking the tires, was astronomers don't see anything. All right, once in a while there's some anomaly, but not, not like what we're talking about. So the astronomers don't see it. We talked to some, well, we talked to a lot of scientists. We talked to sociologists, talked to astrophysicists, the list goes on researchers, theologians, the tin hat crowd. And so when we're talking about extraterrestrial from other planets, we kept running into this thing called the Goldilocks Zone, which said life, as we know it, on other planets, it's pretty impossible, pretty close to impossible. Nothing's impossible. I get that, but we live in this thing called the Goldilocks Zone, where simultaneously

7:1313 things have to happen all at the same time. Oh, wow. You know, we have, of course, the water issue, but the sun has to be steady, the magnetic field that we have, even the moon that we have has to be there to sustain the type of life. We had one scientist who kind of cut to the chase, and he said, for the simplest bacteria, on one of the trillions of planets to form. This is the simplest bacteria, is 10 to the 156th power. It means nothing to me. What does that mean? And he said, well, it's similar to winning the California lottery 60 consecutive times. Without, and here's the bunch line, without ever buying a ticket. So we started to rule out the extraterrestrial, also the whole business of physics.

8:14I mean, the stuff is traveling sometimes up to 45,000, 200,000 miles an hour. And that's good. But light year is much faster than that. The closest, the closest planet, you know, planets that could have any minimal life are like 25 light years away. So we started to realize that, not maybe we're not talking about extra, extra terrestrial. And people say, well, what about, you know, traveling the speed of light, or, and you can't do it. Sorry. Sorry. It ain't going to happen. So they say, well, what about, you know, the Star Trek and the wormholes and all of this sort of stuff? And the bottom line is, see if I got this figure right, the amount of energy it would take to, to warp time and space, which is what everybody talks about these days, is equivalent

9:17to the amount of energy the sun puts out in 50, in 15 trillion years. Wow. So, yeah. So it became pretty clear that we weren't necessarily dealing with extra terrestrial. So that leads us with the one that I'm not as the most uneasy about. And that was if they're not extraterrestrial and they're not military, then that leaves what? Extra dimensional? It's like, come on, this is not a part of all comics research. What are we talking about here? Yeah. But the more we looked at it, and when we talked to astrophysicists, you know, they're saying mathematically they can prove you and I live in at least 11 dimensions. Come on. I let, you know, I get the three, maybe four if you count time, but you're 11. So, so what are they, dude? And they say, well, they're right here.

10:17What do you mean they're right here? I can't see them. That's right. Because you can't see the higher dimensions, idiot. And you know, they talk about dark matter and dark energy. 95% of the very room you're sitting in that I'm sitting in, we don't know what's in it. You're right. 95, that means 5% of what you and I call reality in our dimension is all we can see. So that started building up. We started realizing that the whole concept, the 5% that are real, you know, one minute they're there, the next minute they're not. And you know, it's like they keep popping in and out. But that's the same thing as a lot of religions talk about. Right? That there's the angels there, you know, they're having dinner with Abe and now they're gone. Jesus, right? Resurrected body pops into the room with where the boys are.

11:17They were. The upper room. And then they say, well, then how could they interact with the physical world? Well, you know, Jesus said to give me, give me a piece of food over there. Let me demonstrate. So the more the more the evidence pointed in the direction we were willing to follow, the more we came to the conclusion that we're not talking about extra terrestrial beings. We're talking about extra dimensional beings, which, wow. So now we're in new territory. And so the last part of the film, we really investigate what that means. We start talking to people that say they have experienced these things. And we started to see a pattern. The same pattern that, you know, let's put in religious terms and not to, you know, get anybody's underwear in a bunch.

12:19But angels, angels come in two flavors, right? They're the good guys and the bad guys. Yeah. Yeah. So our question is, if these are, let's not use a term, angels, let's use higher dimensional creatures. If they do exist and they seem to be what's happening here, if they do exist, what do they want? And the question, Carl Sagan, remember him? I do. I do. Yeah. Yeah. He said something which was really startling because he was not like, you know, a religious dude or anything. But he said that abductions, these are the people that claim they are being taken up into the whatever. Abductions are very similar to medieval beliefs in demonic possession. Oh, man. Really? So the more we started to poke in and then we started interviewing people that were saying

13:20they were abducted or that had these experiences, they're called experiences. And again, there was this pattern. It's like they would say, well, we created you. Oh, really? No. That's interesting. But we've come to help you. Well, I appreciate that. And we've come to create you. And you know, this, when asked about various religious leaders, they were okay with them. But whenever we got to Jesus Christ, they got really, well, you know, Jesus was a good teacher, but he was delusional, saying that he was the son. Come on. So they would go out of their way to discredit the Judeo beliefs, the biblical beliefs, and they'd go way out of their way to discredit Jesus. I mean, booting the rest of the boys are fine. But when it came to Jesus, they got, they were not crazy about that. Interesting. And what got even more interesting was, I mean, this was really freaky, was people that

14:27are supposedly abducted. It usually starts in their childhood. Hmm. And then it reoccurs over and over again throughout their life. And it's a terrifying experience, usually. Now, once in a while, these people say, no, it was a great experience. But the further you go down in life, you see it's sort of like chocolate covered manure. That tastes really good at the beginning, but at the end, it starts to have a bite to it. So we were talking, we were interviewing these people, and they were terrified when this would happen again and again and again. And we said, well, what do you do? And they said, well, I stopped it. How did you stop it? Here it comes. We called on the name of Jesus Christ. Okay. Oh, brother, really? No, what's your name? Give it to God. Give it to God. Yeah. And I said, you mean like, like a mantra, you just read nothing. No, no, no, no, no. There's a difference between just chanting the name and really calling on and from your

15:33heart and believing it. And we talked to some people that have a ministry that go around and talk to these folks that have been abducted, or that say they're having these experiences. And they see again and again and again that the way to free them from this horrific experience is for them to make a heartfelt cry to Jesus Christ. The very dude that the creatures are so freaked out about that they discredit all the time. So that's where the journey took us. You know, we're not trying to prove anything with the film. We're just laying out the facts and you come to whatever conclusions you want. And if you're pissed at me, well, then be pissed at me. But that's just the way that's just the way it flies. The name of the movie is UFOs and God. We'll be right back with Bill Myers coming up next. This is a very deep conversation. You're either going to agree with it or you're not going to agree with it or you might

16:35be in the middle or you might be saying, Hey, look, we need to explore this. The name of the movie is UFOs and God. We are back with Bill Myers. I always thought that I was the weird one being from the state of Montana that believed that there was a connection that there was something other than God that there because I mean, I would stare at that big mighty big sky of Montana and I would sit there and just say, Please talk to me, talk to me that I know you're out there. And I've always been convinced ever since those moments that creative people understand dimensions, but we don't do the 11 or the 13 dimensions or do we? Just another name for it, huh? Yes, it is because this is an eye opener for me, Bill. It really is. And that's why I say it's like, if you don't think I'm not going to be studying everything that you guys are doing, yes, I will be because I want to know. And that's the thing about it. There are so many of us out here that want to know and we want to figure this out. Well, that's what the movie is about.

17:36It's 90 minutes. It's facts and figures, but the genius of our directors where they're also to make it entertaining with a certain amount of comedy. But that's what we did. We just point by point, go down the list and come to the same conclusion regardless of whether you agree with it or not. It's irrelevant to us. We just want to make sure the facts are out there. Well, I love the fact that it's going to create maybe maybe some conflict. And the reason why it takes me back to a preacher that came into my studio one day and there was a book from an atheist and I was going to interview and the other people that were from the church looked at the preacher and said, what are you doing? That's not what we go for. And he goes, I have to see what the other side is talking about. And I'm thought that's inspiring. And that's why I find this to be inspiring because I want to know. I want to know who those people are, what those things are because there is something there. We feel it. We see it. And it's not just a little speck in your eye. Yeah. And the thing that astonished me was their hatred towards Jesus Christ.

18:39Yeah. Yeah. That was shocking to me. So that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Well, it's a darn good story and it's creating conversation. But how can you explain though the hatred toward the J man and is it because I don't want judgmental situations to come in because I'm that guy that goes, I love all people every walk of life. I love every question, every answer. I love this. I love that. Why? Because that's the way I was trained. But does this put a new wrinkle in the actual fabric? You'll have to answer that on your own. Oh, listen to you. I love your heart. Oh my God. That is so true. Oh my God. That's so funny. I love your transparency because you are. You're giving us the opportunity to carry our own ball home. Not like, oh, can you go get that out of center field, take it home for me. Okay. No, you're saying go get the ball yourself and figure this out yourself. Yeah. And again, that's what we're trying to do with the film is just lay the facts out and

19:43let you connect the dots. I love that. I love that. But are you are you seeing any anything similar between like I mentioned before, creative people play at a different game? We cannot explain it. And you like, I've been with rock stars today. I was with people from Shark Tank today. None of us, none of us were on the same playing field. But when it comes to creativity, we were all on the same playing field when it came to that art. And it's like, how did we get there? I don't know. This is why I'm talking with you today because I think that you've got something that will help us know and help us understand what it is and where we're growing. Well, I hope so. It sure helped me. Yeah. So then how do you grow forward then with this, with this wealth of knowledge that you've got because there are so many naysayers and it's, it's like, you know, Bill's not going to stand up there with his chest in the air like a DC comic player. You're going to go, here's the thing. I got it for you. I did the research. Here it is. Yep.

20:44And that's pretty much why I leave it. I got other, you know, fires to put out other places to go. This is the information. This is the best. Like I said, we've spent hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars for you. This is not like a, you know, we're not trying to make a big streaming TV series out of it. We're just laying out the facts and there are. No, I've got other stuff to do. So well, where can people go to find out more about this project and to really dive into it? Because what I'll tell you what I see here and once again, I'm not somebody, a man of judgment. I am Christian. My wife is Jewish. What is that common denominator between the two of us? There's something. And that's the thing about it is that you're providing us with that word something. There's something that has us together and I love that and it gives me the opportunity to find out what out there made this here work or maybe not work for some people.

21:46Yep. Was there a question in that? Well, it's more of a statement and then what and that's one thing I've always learned. Plant the statement and figure out it because I want the listener to always know that I'm thinking about them. They are so important to this conversation just as much as you are and that's what I want them to do and that's why I said, Hey, look, where can we go to find out more information because I want people to support this to grow with it, to activate it and to push it into an area of the possibilities of their being. Oh, great. Okay. It's the name of the movie is UFOs and God. Yes. It's going to drop on the Amazon September 11 or 12. You can certainly go to our website where we're compiling a bunch of information and it's conveniently called UFOs and God.com, I believe. So all the information is there. The movie is 90 minutes.

22:47It's worth it, dude. It's again, it's not just boring faction figures. There's plenty of entertainment there, but it's all laid out. You know, it's really interesting is that you brought up 90 minutes and we were also talking about the speed of light and how fast that goes. I often wonder if we are trying to emulate the speed of light in the way as human beings and that 90 minutes to us is really just the blink of an eye. Well, it's as we get older, it's that blink becomes shorter and shorter. That's it. Boy, they don't teach you in that high school, dude. I might God, I wish I would have been paying attention in class that day. Yeah. Wow. Well, Bill, you got to come back to this show any time in the future because I love where you had the Utsba to really step into this project, even though you were challenged, you still accepted it and you did the work. Back to me is a real honest to God, historian, journalist, as well as broadcaster, that you really stepped into that pair of shoes and you wore them. Oh, well, thank you.

23:49Coming from your ear, that's a great compliment. Thanks. Well, please come back to this show any time, dude. The door is always going to be open for you. Okay, appreciate that. I'll let you know the next project. You bet. You'd be brilliant today, okay, sir. You too, man.