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Picture this. You are in a divorce action and come to point where you have to send out discovery
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demands because you need some documents, you need some information. So you send out discovery
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demands, your spouse sends discovery demands to you and you're supposed to respond to the
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discovery demands within a certain time frame. And on that time frame, on that date, you produce
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what you were required to produce. But your spouse doesn't. No documents come.
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So your attorney reaches out and they say, where are the documents? They say, oh, you know,
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I'm just a little backed up. Just give me a week. But after that week, nothing comes.
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What do you do? And you're worried because you thought this was going to be more of a cooperative
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divorce. And now you're realizing this is competitive and things are escalating. And you don't
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know what to do. Welcome to the Get in Divorce without losing your mind podcast. I am Corey Shapiro.
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And today we're going to talk about what happens when things go wrong and what to do about it.
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And let me share a story that's going to bring this home during a divorce. I believe this is in
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most cases here in New York, you're not allowed to take off your spouse from your health insurance.
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Can't just cancel the health insurance. But I don't think there's any rules about having health
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insurance during the marriage. So what I've seen happen is, let's say go to the doctor's office,
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you're not in a divorce action. And doctor tells you, oh, your health insurance didn't go through.
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There's an issue. I'm like, what? I always had health insurance. What's the issue?
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And you call up your spouse and they say, oh, yeah, I just didn't renew the policy.
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Didn't renew the policy. And you're wondering, what's going on here?
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Well, what's going on here is their pre divorce plan, possibly. And you thought you were in a bad
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space if you're marriage, you didn't realize that there was actually going to be a divorce.
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And now you're behind. And you're wondering, you know, do I escalate? Do I get an attorney and
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be aggressive like my spouses or is a part of you thinking, is this a trap? In a divorce,
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there's really only three big things we're fighting for. There's one, if you have them, children,
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you know, establishing a parenting plan, custody issues, two cash flow or support. That's the child
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support. That's the alimony or maintenance or spousal support, whatever it's called in your state.
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And then there's dividing property in New Yorkers called equitable distribution. But there's
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also community property states just dividing property assets and also debt. And those are the big
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issues, right? And you have to think about, well, where does this one issue health insurance lie?
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Is it my top three priorities? Because if it's not, do I have the budget? Do I have the energy?
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Do I have the money? Do other resources to fight everything? That's what I want you to think about.
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So in this health insurance example, can you just pay for your own health insurance?
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Because if you go to court and escalate and spend so much money on health insurance,
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then how are you going to focus on your top three issues? That's what I want you to understand.
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All right. Now, I know what you might be saying. I might be saying, hey, Corey, I don't know my top
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three priorities. You know, I didn't even want to get divorced. I'm blindsided. I'm thrashing
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around here. What do you want from me? If you're in that situation, then I appreciate that.
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I appreciate that. And that's why we do a lot of the work here. But you're going to have to start
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focusing, even though you're not going to feel ready, you're going to have to start focusing on
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what's important to you. We're going to work on that. And that's why you're here.
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Know what you also might be saying? Hey, you know, go to court. I don't know. I don't know what's
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going to happen. You know, maybe I'll just give up. That's true. There's a lot of uncertainty going
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to court. But I don't want you to think about it in a defeatist, you know, attitude. I want you
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to think about talking to your attorney. What's important to you? What's realistic? What can you
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achieve? Also, I might be hearing the judges bias. They're going to be against me. Therefore,
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them, they're against men, they're against women. I don't have a chance. Listen, judges are human.
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They're going to have biases. But if you act appropriately, maybe the judge will give you
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a second chance. Maybe initially they have some bias feelings, but your job and your attorney's
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job is to advocate and convince them and persuade. So all is not lost just because the judge may have
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some initial biases. What I wanted to think about, maybe to bring this home is I was watching Roger
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Federer give a commencement speech for Dartmouth on YouTube. And he said he won 80% of his matches.
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He did about 1500 matches, 180% but he only won 54% of the points. I mean, he lost basically
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every other point, but he won so much because he played the big moments. And that's what I want you
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to think about. So my core message to you is there's a difference between giving up, giving up the
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things that are important to your top three, you know, most important things you need in your
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divorce. If it's cash flow, I really need this as one of my top threes. And I need a certain amount
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and I talked to my financial advisor and these are the expenses you did some research.
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Or are you letting go and letting go is things that are not your top three, not super important for
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you because you could do it, you know, yourself. For example, maybe you can pay for your own health
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insurance. And that's something not to fight over, not to waste a budget over. So let me give you
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one tiny action step to bring this home. First, I want you to get into a space or receptive space.
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I want you to do the breathing in for six seconds. Do it with me. Breathe out for six seconds.
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And I want you to start visualizing five years from now. Doing five years because I think that's
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even in the most contentious divorce, probably going to be over. Hopefully, it could be seven years
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but to say five years. And I want you to think of one of your top priorities, something you're
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willing to really fight for, something that's super important to you, something that you super
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need. This may evolve this issue, but right now, what is that one thing you want? Think about that.
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And then bring yourself back to the present and start thinking, how can I get there? How can I
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get there? You know, I'm trying to get you to prioritize. I'm trying to get you to the
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permission that you're not going to be able to win everything. You know, Roger Federer did not win
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every point. It's sort of the idea of the 80 20 rule. 80% is noise. Not going to be able to get
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what you want, but there's 20%. That's really important. And that's what we want to focus on.
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All right. Next episode, we're going to do something different. We're going to do our first
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scenario lab of the season. A scenario lab is we're going to go through it step by step.
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It made me think of, you know, tennis lessons where you're practicing in the lesson,
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but then you play and it's very different and you're all discombobulated. And that's why we're
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going to do this. We're going to run through some of the ideas we talked about in this podcast
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up to this point. And we're going to go through it in real time. I'm Corey Shapiro. Let's step forward
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with clarity together. This podcast offers general information only. It cannot replace legal advice.
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