Zak Bagans cancels, Cat in the Hat AI, Stores are Tracking You, Fake Meat Fungus, Toxic Potion, and Rabies.

0:00Still alive. So.. The Russians? So, begins again, welcome to the Creepiex Podcast. This is episode 367 Season 10. Zach Baggins' cancels, cat in the hat AI. Stores are tracking you, fake meat fungus, toxic potion and rabies. Yeah.

1:03Alright, so anyway, here we go. Welcome to the podcast. This is your very first time tuning into the podcast. I'm Greg. I'm Omi. And we're glad you're here. Yeah. So, anyway, what we do here is we broadcast paranormal news and share our stories and stuff like that from our underground bunker in the mountains of Western North Carolina. Yes. So, there you go. Before we get into it though, let's talk about Barley's Bites. Barley's Bites sponsors the podcast. And Barley's Bites is dedicated to providing top quality homemade dog treats for every dog to enjoy, including kitty cats. Yes. And they use only the fresh, healthy ingredients, no harmful chemicals. And that way your pet gets the best possible nutrition. Yep. Dog loves them. We just ordered some. Yes. As we do. And, yeah, it's good stuff because the way foods and things like that are happening in the US, you know. Jack eats safer food than we do. Yeah. So, it's kind of a thing. So, anyway, you should check them out at Barley's Bites.com.

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3:05So we're glad you're here with the podcast and we're going to get into it. And we talk about things we find to be interesting and sometimes things come back full circle. Uh-huh. Because we've been doing this for a long time. I got an email. It's a congratulations on doing the podcast and it was like, okay, I guess it really been that long. Uh-huh. Good. I don't remember how long it was. Almost a decade, nearly a decade, around a decade. It's a long time. Yeah. I got shoes older in this podcast. How about that when you get older? Do shoes last a long time and your medical bills get big? Oh gosh. Well, I mean, so when you're a youngster, right? And you hear old people talking about, well, I got a medical bills and whatever man. You're gonna be old. You're old. You're old. Yeah, you're old. And you get older, you're like, oh, dang. And then we watch these medical shows where they go in there with one good car wreck.

4:07You know what I mean? Yeah. And sometimes they're like, how much is this going to cost? And they're like, you know, they're like a couple hundred thousand dollars, you know? What was the thing last night? I was like, that's a bargain. Yeah. Yeah. It was. It was like this major crazy, crazy surgery. Yeah. Right? And it was like 200 grand and it was a mate. It wasn't like, you know, where I broke my neck and I had to smile, surgery and all that stuff, which was like 245 thousand dollars. This was like cheap and you were like, that's a good deal. And I'm like, yeah. And I'm thinking, man, we suck. We're just getting old and bills like medical bills and it's like, well, that's a great deal. Yeah. And what I've realized is that happens to everyone. I know. So if you're young, we're like, we're these old talking about your time will come. Yeah. Nobody can get you can't get around it. It's going to happen. Just go ahead and pick the worst thing you don't like about old people and you'll be there. Give it time. A comedian that I follow on Facebook, he had a skit a long time ago of his grandpa getting

5:10off the toilet. Yeah. And today he posted how he threw his whole back out, getting off the toilet and he had to go to the talk. He's younger than me. I remember being in the military and being in the office and I, my back was jacked up and this guy was making fun of me. Yeah. And I was just like, you know, because that's what squids do, right? They kind of make fun of each other a little bit. And he got up and balled up a piece of paper and he shot it like he was throwing a basket and threw his whole back out and the EMTs had to take him away. And everybody's like, oh no. Being all sympathetic and I'm like, that's exactly what you get, man. I was giving him no, no, simply whatsoever. And people were like, man, that's mean. I'm like, I don't care. Look at you, man. Look what you did, you know? And then later on he came back and he was all limping and stuff. He's like, man, I will never say that to you again. I'm like, that's great. And so I threw a piece of paper on the ground. So once you picked that up, walked away. It's pretty mean, but it was, you know, it was pretty funny.

6:11So, um, all right. This happened a while ago. This is something we've been talking about for a long time, especially since COVID. In the lockdown and quarantine and all that jazz. How the paranormal in general, and that includes cryptids and everything in that vein, right? Yeah. It's just been oversaturated with television shows, like a million shows. And then the same show, recut 14 different ways in the videos. So you're like, you know, paranormal experiences in the woods. And, you know, my house is haunted. My neighbor's haunted. You know, I'm haunted. All these haunted shows and then, you know, the monster shows and the big foot shows. And then the funny shows, there was tons of them. And you could just spend 24 hours a day watching these shows, right? Well, there was a sort of kerfluffle that was going on where some kids were trying to start their own paranormal show. And I think it was Dakota laden or whatever, you know, he had worked with Zach Baggins

7:13of ghost adventures. Fame, right? Yeah. And then something happened where they were going to have their own show. I can't remember the name of the show, but it was like Dakota and a couple other people. I think it was like a brother and a sister and something else. I'd watched a couple episodes. They were going to get their own show, right? And then, allegedly, that show got canceled. Yeah. So they had got on the internet and kind of put the idea out that Zach Baggins had that show canceled. Okay. Right. Yeah. And then you had all the paranormal people chiming in, like, you know, Nick Groff and others starting to, you know, kind of make these veil ideas. I'm going, yeah. You know, I'm not saying, but, you know, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, kind of thing, right? Yeah. And then I believe those kids took their stuff to YouTube where all the other youngsters, paranormal peeps took their stuff.

8:13And last I checked, it was still around, but I haven't checked it in so long because I, I'd be honest, I don't really watch a lot of the youngsters, paranormal peeps, even that they have millions of followers and they're making enough money. Some things I do watch, some things I don't watch, but I don't sit down and devote hour and a half, two hours or whatever to watch in some of these shows. I still will watch like small town monsters and stuff when they, because they have a whole series of things and you can spend forever scrolling and because that's just more of my, my thing, right? Yeah. Because a lot of youngsters are excitable. And, but it's a good formula. It works for them. And when you look at, when you're like, hey, how come these guys don't put out a movie? Why would they? Yeah. They get millions of views. I'm not saying that Dakota leading in those guys, but there are paranormal guys out there, like all of them youngsters and a lot of them. They're probably like under 30 or something like that, right? They are making a living, you know, awful YouTube and stuff.

9:17And you have other paranormal investigation shows and groups and stuff when you go to their YouTube side, they don't have the same sort of follow, they don't have the same sort of views, not sort of things. So there's obviously a difference in between, you know, older crowds, slash television show and how they do on the internet versus the youngsters who primarily have won up on YouTube and social media and made their sort of fame that way. Because you go to some of these conventions and conferences and stuff and you say, hey, have you ever heard of these guys and people like, no, yeah, it's obvious crowd. But there's a lot of youngsters that just will never go to a conference or convention. Why would they? They ingested off YouTube. They like it. Or even like TikTok, you know, I mean, like, TikTok, it's millions and it's reactionary, you know, and that's the demographic in the format that's expected. And why sit through a 45 minute show with over 12 minutes of commercials on a standard channel

10:21that has so many rules, you know, whereas the internet or streaming programs, there's less rules as far as like format and stuff like that. And you get that instant reaction. Yeah, and most of them vote it. Yeah. They're like, you know, I can do whatever I want. Yeah. You know, I don't need to adhere to whatever. But the idea that Zach Baggins had their show canceled, created an issue and then people were coming out of the woodwork, Zach's a terrible person and then Zach's a good person and all this other stuff, right? Yeah. And for most of it, Baggins or Baggins, however you want to pronounce it because he says a way to just make say, he was like, I had nothing to do with it. Yeah. You know, and he did say, you know, I had nothing to do with it, but I'm going to look after my show. I'm going to look after my own, right? And I don't think a lot of people realize it with ghost adventures. It was like Baggins, he has employees. Yes. And he, you know, he's doing his thing and he's making the show.

11:23And so it is what it is. And that is the number one show that people make fun of. Why? Because it's recognizable. Well, yeah, it's easy to do, but it's also the longest show out there so far. I mean, the UK has longer, more boring shows, but we're not going to count that. But I mean, if you look and see what's been hanging around the longest, continually, it's it. Yeah. It's Zach Baggins ghost adventure guys. You got Aaron and but whatever the other guys are named Billy and I can't think of that. Anyway, they're out there for a while. Nick Groff was there for a while. Groff went off and did his own thing. And he said a couple different shows and they haven't gone as far. And you could easily say, that's because Zach Baggins is like, you can't do that show. I want to cancel that show. And I don't necessarily think that is what it is. Because, you know, for the reason that people like to make fun of ghost adventures is the reason why a lot of people hate ghost adventures. It's dramatic. Yeah. It's out there being crazy, right? They're running around and you know, provoking demons and saying weird stuff, which if you think about it is exactly the same thing that a lot of these YouTubers, the youngsters

12:27are YouTubers that have successful YouTube channels are doing. Yeah. Because they got to get to the action part of it. If it was drawn out like you were saying and boring, nobody's going to watch that, especially when their demographic is not a 56 year old man. Yeah. Or even a 40 year old man. It's a kid. It's like from old enough to have a YouTube account to 20s. Yeah. Or maybe even up into the 30s and stuff, right? So Baggins was catching a lot of flack for a lot of this stuff and people just, you know, it's all his fault kind of the thing. Well, then Amy Brunai, right? Yeah. For some reason came out of nowhere and resurrected this whole sort of fight thing. Because this has been going on, we talked about this, I think it was last year. Yeah. And she made a Twitter post or an ex post, whatever you want to call it, right? And sort of brought things back. Now her post, because I wasn't going in, I wasn't jumping in that rabbit hole, right? Yeah. Well, it's basically saying that hold on guys, you know, he didn't get any shows, can't

13:29say that's not how television works. And she would know she's been on television, Kendra Spirits and everything else. She completely would know. Yeah. She is somebody who is in the industry, works in the industry and has been in the industry long enough to know more than me sitting behind this microphone or anybody making a comment on Twitter for the most part, 98% of the people are like, it's almost like Reddit, right? Everybody's an expert on Reddit and nobody's ever done what they're talking about. Yeah. You know, and that was my favorite thing when I would post something on Reddit and people like, you can't do that. It's like, dude, I'm doing that now. And I have to do it for years, you know what I mean? I'm out there, you know, greasy hands, I've done, I'm doing it. Don't tell me I can't do it. Just because you don't know how to do it. And you have experts, it's because they can say it and they think they know how something works. That's not how things actually work. And when you actually work in an industry and it makes you sort of a subject matter expert and she definitely is. Yes. So is that. So is Nick. You know, they've had shows.

14:31They've been there. They know how production companies work. They get an actual course somewhere better than others. Small-time monsters knows. Yeah. And so she came out and basically saying, it's not all Zach Baggins' fault. And she kind of puts it to her, you know what the fault is. The same thing we've been saying for a couple of three years, six years now. Yeah. Paranormal and all that stuff has been so heavily saturated and everything that you do, you can watch these shows 24-7 that people are just kind of like, man. Yeah. All right. Well, I've seen the same clip a hundred times. And that's what's new and exciting, right? The interest has fallen off. Yeah. So just like with sci-fi, you know, because I still have friends who are like devout, firefly fans, right? Firefly fans? Yeah, right. But there's people. Yeah. There's people high up in offices who have zero love for what we do that are deciding

15:33regardless of ratings or fandoms or followings. These smaller reality TV shows are not an expense they're willing to shoulder anymore. Yeah, because they got to make money. Yeah, they got to make money. And crew members, editors, everybody across the reality TV industry are facing unprecedented employment levels. And that's what a lot of people think. Oh, it's a paranormal show. It's not reality TV. No, it's reality TV. Because it's a reaction, a human reacting to a scenario. It's like if you compare indie filmmakers to blockbuster movie production houses, it is two different animals, right? Yeah. You got an indie filmmaker can go out there and make a movie for less money, although you speak, you could do it on a shoe steering, I guess. But now, over time, it's got a lot more expensive. Yeah. But they don't, they're not doing like, they don't have a vendors money. No, they don't. And it's the same thing. And one of the, I think the things that they don't really want to ever compare, and this

16:36is why YouTubers don't get any credit, is because they want to make sure that the people that pay for shows advertise or some all that sort of thing, just didn't need to keep treating YouTube. Yeah. Like it's not a real thing. That kind of goes back to when eBay came out and people are like, yeah, I bought an island and it's like, you need to pay for that island, man. So this isn't real and they're treating it like YouTube's not real. When you got some kids that can put out a video and by the end of the night, they're rocking two million people have watched that video. Whereas if you have a paranormal show, you're lucky if two million people watch that show over two or three years. Yeah. And like, oh, let's not real guys. You know, it's not real because if you think about it, if you're an advertiser and you're strictly about money, you're going to get more bang for your buck on YouTube, period. As long as you can negotiate a good price. Now, the whole idea of how much you pay for your influence on YouTube if you're an advertising or if you want something advertised, there is a, that is a nebulous area into itself.

17:42But you know, she's coming back and saying, it's not all his fault. You know, and there's been shows that have been on for a long time that are not here anymore. Yeah. You know, and you got, yeah. And so if you look at the article, and we posted an article in the link to it, so that basically anything we talk about on podcasts, you can follow for yourself. You know, he's had former, Zach Baggins has had former colleagues basically kind of go out there slamming them a little bit, saying, hey, this is the reason why the Nick Roth is definitely one of them. He implied that basically Zach Baggins influenced the cancellation of his show. And so it's just suggested the internal conflicts and personal disagreements contributed to the shows in. Yeah. Okay. And then Bill Hartley, who is a member of Ghost of Shepherdstown, alleged that a prominent figure in the paranormal community widely interpreted as Baggins opposed the show's renewal. And Hartley claimed that this individual did not want to be associated with the same network

18:43as Graft. And that's what led to that show's cancellation after two seasons. And then Dakota, right? That's what it meant. That's what it meant. It's an explanation for the name of his show. Or it was going to be, right? Um, he addressed rumors about Baggins involvement in his show's cancellation while Aladdin acknowledged that Baggins did not support his show. He stated that Baggins had no, no hand in its ending. Well, that came after the fact when people were like, hold on a minute. He put you on his show. Yeah. Yeah, whether he had to or was coerced, you know, if Baggins was told by hire up, he put you on the show, he kind of gave you a start. And then for whatever reason, you left and he didn't say anything bad about him at all Baggins. He just kept his mouth shut and then he was at their talk in trash. And I think that he had to reel it back in a little bit because, you know, it is what it is. And so the real paranormal shows, they're just getting canceled just because they're not as popular. People aren't watching them. Yeah. You've seen a bunch of shows that had promised that gone, gone, watch like the whole first

19:49season and then gone. And we knew some of these people were like, oh, that's sad. But you know, corporates, you know, companies, corporations, they got to make money. They're not going to just do a show and not make money because you see it happen with shows that are good. They get canceled because they're not making money fast enough. And you're like, you got to give this thing a chance to breathe a little bit, man. And then you brought up firefly. Yeah. Yeah. That thing should have gone on for at least five or six seasons. They didn't give it a chance. Nope. And I don't know. Wasn't family guy the same way? It came and went and went to different networks and it was going to be sort of the same thing. And that thing has been around for what, 150 years so far, just as long as it's like a substance, man. Almost. Yeah. But yeah, it's the lack of engagement and that some of these communities, whether it's paranormal or whatever your niche odd interest is, it's not standing up to the old standards

20:55of traditional TV. Yeah. So just because you're used to whatever age you are getting off school or getting off work, taking off your shoes, sitting on the couch watching a TV show traditionally. That's not happening anymore. Yeah. Especially with paranormal or bigfoot. I stumbled into a new bigfoot group today on Facebook and it's literally just videos of other people reacting to alleged bigfoot stuff. Yeah. And I'm like, this is boring as heck. Yeah. No, this group is very engaged in doing this. That's not my cup of tea. But apparently that's how I mean, you find your niche. There you go. Yeah. Oh, well. It's a yeah, a kind of spirits, dead files, ported a hell, taps, destination fear. Yeah.

21:55Are they going? I don't even watch them anymore. Because I don't know where they are on the on the Roku. The destination fear had four seasons. No. Until 2023. What was the other one? No, there was a bunch of them. Kindred spirits I did watch. Portal Sahel I watched. Yeah. Just like they're all discovery, discovery channels. If you stop paying for discovery plus, you stop watching because it just kind of goes away. Yeah. And that's something that didn't help me there. You know, for a show that you could watch on say regular cable and then if it moved to a streaming platform, you know, a lot of people like me and I don't want to pay for another streaming service. Yeah. So kindred spirits, that's an example. It was on destination America. Yeah. And then TLC.

22:56Yeah. It has been airing on travel channel since beginning of the third season in 2019. So yeah. And that's ghost adventures mate. I think ghost adventures kept the travel channel alive. Wouldn't travel channel that they started out with? So there was a lot of there. There's that is like a whole different podcast. Shard. So Zach Baggins is kind of like Howard Stern who jumped over the serious XM radio or whatever and they paid him like a hundred million dollars. The only reason why people are listening to serious XM radio is because it comes with their car or they're like they like Howard Stern. It wasn't just recently got fired back then it was two things. It was ghost adventures and deadliest catch. Well that's not that's not on the travel channel is it? It started off on a different. It's kind of hard to say because I need to discover these sort of absorbed. Yeah, that's that's part of it. That was the whole absorption thing. Yeah. Yeah. Cause we're number four.

24:00Was that the deadliest catch couldn't play the theme music because the wrong network had the rights. Yeah. But I can't think of the one channel that had like ice road truckers deadliest catch. Yeah. And a bunch of other gold rush or as a gold rush. Gold whatever. Yeah. We're like all on the same channel. So ice road truckers. Gold something and then another gold show we're all on history channel. That's right history. And then there's that big shake up between 2021 and 2023 where. And then there was another channel they had like all the animal stuff like swamp people and Billy the exterminator and all that stuff. They seem like they're they're carving out the very little weird niche and didn't seem like any other swamp people is also history channel. Oh. Yeah. And I'll blend together. Yeah. They sure do.

25:00So. Anyway, there you go. Zach Baggins didn't do it. It's people not watching. Nami Burnai says so. And okay. I believe her. You know why? Why? And it's kind of what we thought. What we've been saying. The reason why shows are getting canceled is not necessarily because of one person. I mean, it'd be easy to blame it on the one person. Mm-hmm. It just they don't make money. It's like corporations wants and they're kind of boring. And why do I got to watch 45 minutes when I go to YouTube and watch people react there? Yeah. Which is super popular, right? The reaction junk. And then I'll tell you how you know a lot of the paranormal stuff is just fading away. It's probably going to never come back as poor as poppers it was, right? Mm-hmm. Is because now you've got like paranormal activity. Remember the movies? Yeah. It's on Broadway now. So you can do paranormal activity on Broadway. And there's a review. So it's like what? So. So it's like paranormal activity.

26:04Stage adaptation of a film franchise is a frightfully good whatever. Because it won't, it doesn't want to learn from you. Yeah. I thought you were going to say it's this other reason that things are going away, which is popular paranormal TV show, Hans HBO Max streaming with new scares. And that's the fact that I guess paranormal caught on camera season 11 is now showing on HBO Max. Wasn't that also on Lake Discovery Channel? Yeah, but I think with, I think that's just HBO's way. No travel channel. Travel channel. Yeah. Yeah, that's what it was for. Yeah. But I think a big part of that is they're not saying that, you know, HBO or whatever is paying for it. They're just showing it. Oh, okay. Because they all do that now. Like Roku, you, you, you want to watch all the shows on HBO? We got them and yeah, you subscribe or whatever and then you just log in to the app kind of the thing. Because I looked, say, are these brand new seasons? And it's like, yeah, we got season 11.

27:05It's like, well, wait a minute. There's 32 seasons, right? It's like watching law and order on who live. Oh, okay. So like eight seasons and then it took a while for them to get all. You can now stream many of the series, TV series that were on the travel channel as part of the new HBO Max as part of the Warner Brothers Discovery network lineup. Yeah. So you subscribe and you have access to it now. Yeah. So the platform, formerly HBO Max now, Max starts at 1099 a month and has Warner Brothers Discovery travel channel. Yeah. Because everybody wants you to watch just that one network to see all those shows and that's like, yeah, because we've been, we cut the cable cord in 2008. We were early adapters, I guess. Yeah. And we use Roku. That's how we did it. We bought a network streaming device, which is basically Roku. And that's pretty much what we've been using ever since.

28:07Yeah, but now all these networks have pretty much turned into a cable bill. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And so now you use something like Roku as a way to put all your apps up there so you can see him. You know, see, just pick your poison, right? Yeah. But then even they're doing it. They're like, Hey, you want to watch Paramount Plus? You know, I got the app. But you could just do it right here. Just log in to Roku and add all your stuff. And it's kind of like, so now, you know, the money we saved, because we just did straight internet and we streamed everything else in 2008. People are like, you can't do that. And they're like, would you want a home phone number? It's like, no, no, no. I don't want a home phone number. I have a cell phone. Well, I would. I want a home phone. You know, that kind of thing. So just give me internet. Yep. Yeah, man. Paranormal activity broadway, show. But allegedly, it's pretty good. If that's your thing, I'm thinking really, okay.

29:08Maybe she's driving at home for me. Now this is something that we all, maybe we all don't know about it, but I've known about it for a long time. But it's gotten way more advanced since the last I paid attention to it. Okay. So if you want to get information on somebody, and let's just say you're someone like an organization like the FBI or CIA, right? There's hurdles in stuff you need to jump through to get that personal information. And then even the information they're going to get, may or may not be as thorough as they want. But there's nobody that has any more or any better information gathered about you than your shopping habits because advertisers do not mess around. You know what I mean? They can track everything when it comes to your shopping and spending habits because they want to capture that dollar. And you know, it kind of, it doesn't necessarily start with the cards, but there's little cards

30:13that you sign up for to get the extra coupon price and all that sort of stuff. You just sold your information to them in exchange for 20 cents off an orange, right? Yeah. And people like, well, that's a fair trade. I'll use a fake email address and I'll use this and stuff. Well, it's gotten a lot smarter because the stores and advertisers have sort of come together and they're using algorithms to figure out things like how to set up their store, the temperature of the store, where to put certain items, when to put certain items, what prices should be, you know, what's the best pricing for them for certain locations and times and that sort of thing? There's something that sells in Western North Carolina. It may not sell in all in Chicago. Yeah. And these algorithms, which is basically just AI is what we're calling it now because nobody wants to say I'll grow them, which is really what it is. I've gotten so advanced that they're doing things like surge pricing where you go into the store and it's 630 in the morning. You know, that I don't know, turkey steak, burrito thing is only $2, but towards 11 o'clock

31:19or 12 o'clock or 1 o'clock in the afternoon, like towards lunch time, now it's $5 and they're using digital price tags to make the surge pricing happen, right? Because they can't just walk up and because you won't buy it. Here's the thing. You won't buy something if there's no price tag. A lot of people are like, well, I don't know when that costs. I'm not going to buy it because they don't want to get scammed, right? Well, if you put these digital price tag things up that are supposed to be there to help you, like you can open up the stores app and the app will tell you what I'll let's on it blanks these little things and say, oh, it's right there. You know, section A23, what they don't realize is the app is not just there for convenience. We all know you trade the app for convenience, right? It's doing all sorts of things like it's using your Bluetooth to be able to track you in the store. It's also looking through your history. It's gathering your images, information, all the personal data that you have on your phone to build a shopping profile, basically a personal profile of you.

32:24And that information gets sold. And so the CIFB, it's the IAFBI, they need warrants for things, but who's to say that the CIA and FBI can't just buy the advertising information for you. They know what's about you. Yeah. And they have it now where they're using cameras and AI when you park your car, they can track your license plate. They can tie your license plate to you and your likeness. They can tie that to the information from your last purchase. Your purchase is online. So they can effectively do a couple different things. They can make the shopping experience better for you. They can also set the prices towards what you think and what you're used to in your cost tolerance, like how much you'll pay for something. So they can completely customize this experience. And to me, all of this is a huge, huge problem when it comes to privacy because they'll hit your phone and your phone just gives up information. And so the user license agreement, the UL that nobody ever reads, maybe we should start

33:27reading some of these things and say, you know, what are you supposed to do? And it does a lot of this passively. And so you think, I'll be smart. I'm going to put my phone in airplane mode. They won't get me because I won't use their Wi-Fi. Well, they don't need it. They get it anyway. They Bluetooth and other methods. Pinging the store. They don't even have to use your face. They have basically scanners in the store that read body heat. So they know that when you're standing there in front of the candy bar aisle for two minutes or whatever, like, why are they standing in that spot for two minutes? When they could be standing anywhere else in the entire candy, that's a hot spot. Let's figure out what that's all about. And let's see if we can duplicate that. And it just keeps going and going. And they'll have the AI cameras that are watching the parking lot. They assign, you know, basically people to, you know, tag along behind you. See what you're doing in the store. Do you fit the profile of somebody who may or may not be a shoplifter?

34:28Let's send somebody. And they follow you around while you're shopping. It's just terrible. There's a good example of this that's also very culturally wrong and insensitive. And that is we signed up for a loyalty program to get like 10 cents off gas on Tuesdays at this one place, right? Yeah. And all I have to do is either scan the little card or enter in our phone number. Well, the moment I enter in our phone number, it changed from this very, the gas pump, which all have digital displays and TVs on them now, changed from playing a very loud, obnoxious hot dog ad to playing techno music. And that one tick-tock Instagram guy tanks good news where he tells you.

35:29So it was like a tailored ad experience where it's like halfway decent music and then tanks good news telling a good heartwarming story. But then one car, one pump and from me, this guy I know, he gets out of his SUV and we're talking like, hey, dude, you know, and he enters it in and it changes from the annoying hot dog commercial to NFL and Gatorade ads. Huh. It's becoming like minority report out there. Yeah. And I was just like, and what's messed up is that person's not a fan of the NFL. That just means that his wife's boyfriend is. Stop. Or something like that. Because I mean, your phone, we're all doing it when you're sitting there and you talk about something and then all of a sudden you get fed all the ads of something you've talked about. And the scary part is that you can be thinking about stuff and those ads start popping up.

36:32It's crazy. It's like so that those psychological profiles that they build and all of this mind mapping that these electronic devices are doing. I think it exists. I don't think people are crazy. I think it's looking at all your biometrics and saying, okay, this is a part of it. So can you imagine what the government can do? And it makes it cheaper for them as they don't actually have to develop and they could just rent this. And we all know that that's a thing. There's a thing called flock cameras that are out there that's already being abused and misused by both sides, you know, the cops and the people that are providing them. And they're like, we're just being all hands off with this and you know, they keep using terms like the corporate jargon speak of we need to put guard rails up. So we can keep everybody in their lanes when it comes to accessing this flock information. Yeah. And then you got the heroes out there cutting them down, setting stuff on fire and doing

37:32all that. And there's certain states now that are like, no, we don't want these. And now the new thing is if it's like an interstate highway system or whatever, a lot of states are like, we don't want them on our interstate highway system. They'll keep them around locally, but they don't want them on a highway. Because the federal gets involved. If it's on a highway, that's federal. Things that can happen on a highway, you know, it's an interstate commerce, interstate highway system. What if the federal government gets involved somehow? But if the state and smaller municipalities are saying the reason we want flock cameras is for safety and that it can help trafficking. Right. So what would be the one reason why they wouldn't want flock cameras? It's never for public safety, right? And for the good of the community, we want these cameras. And then on the other side of that, for the good of community, we're taking these cameras away. It's all about liability. For some reason, states or somebody has scared states to say that if this happens on

38:36a federal highway and you let it slide and you have access and you should have known this is going to happen, then you're going to be liable. It's always liability. It's never like, I'm protecting your rights. They may protect them if it doesn't cost any money, but you start liability, man, they start changing their difference. Liability makes training programs happen. You're at their doing your job, it's something bad happens in the state or somebody has to pay for it, guess what happens? We need a training program since this doesn't happen again because we don't want to pay any money. Because we were held accountable, right? That's what it is. That's why a lot of training programs happen, how to do things better. And then later on, it turns into we need a government organization that can provide this training program. Oh, God. And then you got trainers that show up to train your people on not to say awkward, inappropriate, racist, sexual, whatever. No, it's never because you just shouldn't be doing that sort of thing.

39:37It's always liability. Okay. But this advertising thing gets crazy and you got people on TikTok that are like, hey, man, you should be scared. Yeah. And I don't know if I should play this or not. Yeah. So anyway, your grocery store is a data company is what they're saying. Grocery stores is a data company now. Now, there is a ton of different ways that they can get all your information and you've just been snooped upon. There's not a whole lot you can do about it. But allegedly, there are a couple of things you can do to maybe make things not so easy for them to capture all your stuff, right? Yeah. And this comes from a consumer affair. So at the top, we are not a government agency and may be paid by companies displayed. So that's their disclaimer. All right. I'll take that. Here's what they say. So your purchases, habits, and lifestyle help build your marketing profile and you can limit your marketing profile by a couple of different things.

40:39One of them is use this separate email. Well, this is really basic stuff that I think people just don't do or have forgotten that they should do. Use this separate email. So if you ever worked in IT for a while, we all have junk emails, right? Because you don't want, you just don't want it. It's like when you see where they're like, hey, you should use the chimpanzee to find all of your insurance needs. You should use, you know, travel company to find all the lowest rates and stuff and they're not doing you a favor. They're selling your information. That's why they provide that. And then what happens? You get nothing but phone calls and ads and emails targeted straight to you because you agreed to use an aggregator to give you the best rate. Yeah. I'd never do those insurance things. You're shopping around for insurance. We could compare 14 different companies because the phone will ring as soon as you put your number in and hit like enter or your vehicle profile has been updated and saved because you're looking for it. Boom. Especially when it's starting daytime and it starts ringing.

41:41It's our catch in these phone calls. So make a separate email, a junk email so you can skip hopefully some way advertisers hitting you up for it. Skip the loyalty card on small trips. If you're going into buy a candy bar, don't be putting in your loyalty program stuff, right? Maybe big ticket items where you can maybe get a better deal for coupons and stuff like that. So it's kind of like devil, doom deal with devil, right? Use cash. Cash works. Use cash but don't use your loyalty program card with cash. But usually there's the very, the record of cash sales is not, everybody uses debit or credit cards these days, right? Parking lot plate readers and the in store AI monitor that monitors movement and things like that and check out behavior is tracking you. So change your routine. Don't park right up front, park in the middle where you're maybe it's harder for some

42:45of these AI plate readers and parking lot monitors to actually see your car. That kind of thing, right? Change your checkout behavior. Maybe stay out of the self checkout. And maybe go to, if you can find one in actual cash here and do that, mix it up, right? Boids have, avoid self checkout park further away. Prices and coupons after a while eventually becomes personalized based off of your purchasing history. So stay unpredictable. Rotate stores. If you're looking for ads, make sure you're logged out of the app when you're going to use your phone so that it's not personalized to use just as you know what I mean? Use privacy opt out. If you can find them, all these ads and stuff are generated based off of you opting in saying, yes, please in a date me with shopping. Yes, please take my biometric data and my marketing profile and sell it to the world.

43:47Well a lot of these apps require privacy opt out settings. If you scroll through the setting or the information on the app, you can pop down where it says, you know, share my information, don't share my information, that sort of thing. It's almost like targeting cookies. It's all related to the IT stuff. You know, the internet world, if you will, right? So you know, these modern grocery stores, man, they're gathering all the data and they're just a data collecting company. So they take all your information. They want to understand how you shop and then it's all in an effort to make more money based off of you and your buying habits. So if you want to know what's really happening beside it behind the scenes, it says your loyalty card is a tracking tool first, discount card second. A lot of people sign up for these loyalty cards back when you wrote checks. They're like, hey, if you got the loyalty card, we won't ask you for two forms of ID. Yeah. That's kind of how it goes. You ever heard the horror stories were like somebody found out that their daughter was pregnant

44:48because of the, you know, they started getting prenatal stuff, male tomb like coupons and, you know, diaper coupons and stuff like that. And they were trying to figure it out. So every time you enter your phone number or scan your loyalty card, here's what the store can track. Every item you buy, how much you spent on your trip, how often you shop, what time of day you're usually there, and whether or not you buy store brands or name brands. Also, it looks at your dietary patterns like gluten free, low sodium keto, baby formula, lower no sugar. And so over time that sort of builds a fairly detailed profile yourself. And I also can look at all the items that you buy and figure out how many people living in your household. You know, if you're buying, you know, little kid baby formula cereal, that's probably one kid under five. And then if you're buying like toys for somebody over five under five. And if you're buying like whatever and they can figure out how many people are in your household. So if you do a shift from like junk food to low sugar products, they're like, oh, this

45:54may be a health change. And then all of a sudden, you know, some of these ready made meals that you can get that are healthy start getting advertised to you. And so they take all this data and they send targeted coupons and promotions to you. And I mean, that could be nice, right? But they sell it. They sell all your data. And sometimes you see, we've seen this happen like on something like Amazon where I get one price and you get a different price. Yeah. Because I'm always looking for one thing. And then one time you want to look for the same thing I'm looking for, you get a better price. So if you want to dial it all back, use a separate email address just for shopping. Look at your privacy settings. If you can opt out, if you're doing small trips, buying small items at the store, maybe you don't want to enter in your loyalty card number, pay with cash, right? And then think twice before saving your payment information inside grocery store apps. Yeah. Yeah, you probably shouldn't save any of your credit card. Although it's easy to do. And I'm guilty of it.

46:55So yeah, you got to watch out for them license plate readers too, because they're reading everything, right? And there's not really a lot you can do. What you can realistically do if you don't want to capture stuff, have your stuff captured off your phone, airplane mode, turn Wi-Fi off, turn Bluetooth off, and hopefully it can track you less. It's kind of like what are you going to do. You mostly just leave your phone in the car, right? Yeah. Or put it in a fair day bag. It's all sneaky. So yeah, try to stay less predictable. So look at those weekly ads, without logging into your account. Stop at a competing store and mix up where you buy certain items. Now you can take all these steps. It's the same steps they would tell you if you're a spy. You know what I mean? Change up your routine, and all of that stuff. Don't create patterns where if you're a spy, you can get caught.

47:56This is also what they use to keep you from getting kidnapped. Kind of nuts. But they're selling your data, man. And we all know it's happening. We're all sitting around going, I can't put, why am I getting these ads? We were just talking about this. Your phone is a spy, bro. We all know that. This is big money. It's a conspiracy. It's been a conspiracy. Food is trying to kill us. I thought you were going to talk about this. Oh, well, first I have to find where. Well, you told me this one about the beef. The Justice Department. Yeah. Yeah. So the Justice Department is now widening their beef price investigation to eight major retailers. Now, you've probably heard a headline like this before because of the whole egg conspiracy

48:56where there was price fixing with eggs. Yeah, we're all the egg people got together and said, if we all charge high rates, we can't get caught. And the moment one egg retailer goes under recall, we should all increase by 16%. Right. Well, now, federal investigators are examining pricing throughout the beef supply chain. As expanded, it's beef price investigation to eight major retailers, including Walmart, Costco, Amazon and Crogr. And publics. Yeah. All these in there too. Yeah. They're trying to examine whether market concentration or anti-competitive practices have contributed to rapidly rising beef prices. Now a historically small US cattle herd remains a major cause of high prices, suggesting consumers may not see relief anytime soon. This also comes right on the heels of Tyson. Yes, we know Tyson makes chicken, but they have beef processing plants.

50:00And they're closing a few of them in like Illinois and parts of the Midwest to concentrate their efforts on better producing states. Yeah. We talked about this in the last podcast. Yeah. And we were like, yeah, no, you're going to do. Yeah. And I think that's the most important thing to make fake meat products. Now what this investigation is claiming is they're going to start with meat packers as far as like if the price gouging or the price fixing is starting at this level because there are many levels or steps before the hamburger ends up on your table from the farmer paying to have the cow processed to receiving the goods back or to the farmer paying for the cow to get processed in a lot and then purchased by these other meat packing companies like JBS, Cargill, Tyson Foods and National Beef.

51:00Yeah. Now those companies I just listed actually control more than 85% of a United States beef processing. The federal investigators are examining whether the high level of concentration has reduced competition or contributed to higher prices. And I could just as easily just say, yes, yes, it has. We have, I know local farmers that back during the end of the pandemic, this one woman, her farm was on a six month waiting list to have cows processed in state. Yeah. She found a quicker turnaround time. If she could afford to ship her cows to Virginia, it was only four months. And she because they're a small farmer and every dollar counts, they were seriously considering it. Yeah. Yeah. The government's reviewed more than three million documents and interviewed industry participants

52:01as part of this investigation. By turning its attention to major grocery companies, this department is examining another stage of the beef supply chain, the point at which wholesale beef is priced and then sold to consumers. So this is because, you know, historically, families are paying higher prices for hamburger steaks and roasts. The average price of a pound of ground beef reached $6.89 in July, which is 10% up from a year earlier and nearly 57% up from July 2021. Yep. In 2021, we were buying a pound of hamburger meat for $280-20. Yeah. Yeah. For like, and so, you know, what can be done about this? You know, what can be done? What? You bring in a bunch of cheap meat from somewhere else. You flood the market. They can't compete. Yeah. Yeah.

53:02Yeah, that's what happens, right? I hate how the solution is bringing in mystery meat from elsewhere and not changing the price or regulation. Well, you got, I mean, the only way these people were going to change is if people stopped buying their stuff. But where do we get? Where do you buy the cheaper meat from? I don't know. Supplying to man, right? But this cheaper meat. If people are already getting raked over the coals because of the whole consumerism where we're all paying more for everything and eventually somebody starts jumping in there and says, Hey, you can get this meat and they stamp it saying this is real meat from somewhere. Somebody's going to start doing it. But we're going to start buying it. They're going to start eating it and these big beef people, I'm not talking about the local farmers, some of them are like the big people, processors or whatever. They're going to have to start dumping these prices because it's the same thing with the eggs, right? If everybody gets together and says we need to make these egg prices high, they're going

54:03to do a couple of different things to keep those prices high, including, okay, all our eggs have salmonella. We got to get rid of all of them and then you have no choice but to keep buying eggs. But then they can artificially inflate the price and because now the demand is so high, it's kind of the same thing with these beef guys. These are all options that they have and can employ. But if you can get eggs from somewhere else, if you can get beef from somewhere else and bring it in and make it a lot cheaper. But here's what I'm asking is where in the stage of from wholesale to consumer is the South America meat going to get to the consumer. Is that Walmart? Is it foodlion because bringing it in with the level of greed and lack of regulation, it could just be Walmart selling the beef from Argentina for the same exact price. And that's annoying. I don't see the only place you're saving money yet is at the Walmart level, not at the consumer

55:04level because they're not going to bring the price down unless a Walmart will start more. So if they spend less money in the beginning. And then if there's a threshold where consumers won't spend the same amount of money, because there's all sorts of regulations they have to go through too. You got to put where it's from. You got to put when it's going to, yet there's on the labeling, it has to have certain things and then the government can start finding you. So if they stick to it and they say, okay, after it's all said and done, we can take what we bought for cheap and market up 25%. It's still cheaper than the 57% that everybody else is already paying. In other words, it's already been inflated up 57% since whenever, but you can offer this at 30% cheaper. People are going to pinch pennies. They're going to do it. Yeah, it's just wearing hell because like, well, it's the same thing when we go to the store and I pull out some beef.

56:05And it says 719 and then you look at that and reach in there and pull one out. This is 709. Yeah. I'm like, we're getting this one. So we save a whole 10 cents. Because I look at the per poundage and I get it. Like a good example is, all right. So egg prices have fluctuated ridiculously since the pandemic. And while it's a very microcosm example, literally nobody and old for anymore North Carolina buys eggs from the grocery store anymore. Everybody is buying them from their neighbors and it's funny because even the neighbors are bringing their prices down and I need to hit up this person who actually lives like five minutes outside of the town, an old for it. And they're selling fresh from the farm eggs for $4 a dozen. I need to start doing that. Yeah. Yeah. I know where it came from and I can't stand going into Walmart and buying eggs and then

57:13finding out the expiration date is next week or like angles. One of my friends bought eggs and she was very disappointed because literally they expired Friday. I was like, where is I can get fresh from the farm eggs, which usually last longer. I don't know where they came from. And that's just a microcosm amount. Yeah. Well, yeah. I don't know about that. So I want to know where to get the cheap beef from. Well, that's the thing and people are, well, it's coming in. You don't even know what it is. It's mystery meat. You got to look at the source people who are saying that. I mean, I don't know. But I just think that it's going to kill you. So I guess the best thing to do is to start looking at maybe plant based meat alternatives. No. Yeah. And you think, well, I'm just not going to eat beef. I'm going to eat fake beef, right? Well, guess what? Scientists tested 212 plant based meat alternatives.

58:16Yep. And every one of them contained fungal toxins. That's horrible. Yeah. So everything is being like recall and stuff like eggs. Bad for salmonella. I can't do that. Beef was really bad. Two million pounds of meat. All this, right? Now, it's like, well, you're like, I'll just eat fake. I'll just eat plant. Well, you had a 10-foil hat theory that what if all these food recalls were a way to get people to start eating vegan or start eating insects? Well, that was a show that last podcast where Tyson was shutting down their big beef meat facility in Illinois. Yeah. But now this is something. And they weren't shutting it down and like selling it off. They're like, we're just going to make it better. And it's like are they using like some kind of robots now? No, they're probably going to use this to create the fake meat because they're not calling it bioengineered anymore. They're calling it something so you won't be scared about it. It's less scary than they're advertising and stuff. So yeah.

59:17My co-toxins, the toxin compounds found normally in this fungi have spread throughout vegetarian and vegan products. This is how we turn into zombies. Scores, man. Every one of the 212 plant-based meat alternatives and drinks tested in the United Kingdom contained at least one naturally occurring fungal toxin. Yes. The concentrations remained below recommended guideline levels. Researchers say the bigger question is whether regularly eating large amounts of these foods could lead to potential cumulative exposure over time. It's a dose that makes the poison. Just when you think you have an alternative, they got it all covered. So have you seen this? There's like a video about cat and a hat. It's going around scary, everybody. So I miss that. So it's because it's not that scary. It's a slow news day.

1:00:18But what's happening is that people are grabbing scenes and clips from the live action movie of the cat and a hat and using a little bit of AI trickery to make it menacing and scary. And people are seeing it. It's getting sent and sharing their stuff and people don't like it. So people are afraid. And they're like, oh. So what ended up on? But what ended up on my news feed was viral cat and a hat AI trend results in school lockdown because I guess some elementary school was having Dr. Sustay. So all the little kids had cat and the hat hats on. But then some teenager thought it'd be funny if he dressed up as the cat and hat and stick his head in the windows. And that put a whole school on lockdown. Well, they also got people going around and getting captured in the cameras as cat and a hat being creepy and just standing there. So it's kind of like the creepy clown thing that we thought had to talk about for like five

1:01:18years or people like the clowns or just carry clowns around. You know, the clowns just kind of hang out and eyeball you. Yep. Yeah. But yeah, local residents just terrified in the cops are like, hey, this is just the viral thing. It's just the hoax. Yeah. You don't really don't have a creepy zero killer dressed like a cat and a hat. Just standing here looking at you. Yeah. If you see that, there's already been police responses to worry about it. Yeah. Don't be scared. Just like a don't be scared about the rabies warnings that we've been having. I am scared. Everybody's got rabies now. Rabies issue rabies warning issued multiple states as local cases rise. It's funny that North Carolina is not mentioned in here because back in May, we had a huge rabies threat or warning issued in the county just south of us.

1:02:20A lot of dogs are showing up with rabies. Yeah. Which was why I was so worried and making sure Jack was fully vaccinated. But now health officials in several states have issued rabies warnings after infected bats, raccoons, foxes, goats and a pet dog were detected this year raising concerns about possible exposure among people and pets. The alerts include sharp local increases in Idaho and Texas. Idaho has detected 24 rabid bats so far this year more than more than in any other previous years. One public health district has received more than twice as many calls about possible bat exposure as it had the same point last year. St Antonio and surrounding Bexar County officials reported 22 cases of rabies and wild animals during June and July compared with two or three during the same months in each of the previous two years. The area has also recorded its first case of a pet dog in more than a decade.

1:03:22Yeah. North Carolina officials are tracing people who may have handled infected baby goats from a mobile petting zoo. That is scaring people because that county is actually relatively close to where we live. There's been several children's events this summer and I even know somebody who lives in this county who actually went to that petting zoo at an event in like Berk County. Yeah. So you got a little bit much out for that. So yeah. Florida had a raccoon test positive and I guess that raccoon went all around Bevorar County. It's just getting overwhelming, especially with the bats. I will blame this on Haleen because North Carolina had a high concentration of bats when Haleen hit many of the areas that bats lived got flooded out. Those bats migrated to areas that may not have been as sufficiently safe.

1:04:28You know, it's not a problem. It's a problem. Yeah. There's a lot of areas that never has any rabies. I mean, sure, you keep an eye out for it, but you're not active in an area that does have a lot of rabies. It's like we're not looking for the boob on a plague here. True. But it still has. It's a lot of virus. Yeah. Because it's kind of a rare thing but out in the Southwest, it's way more prevalent. So we had talked about the hunt of virus and the fungus cloud and all this other stuff. And people on the east coast are like, whoa, man. Yeah. You know, it's so wet here that it's not really an issue for saying we have other funguses and stuff to worry about. But out there, it's so dry, it blows on the wind. Yeah. And people were scared. It's like, man, it's been going on since the 70s since somebody figured it out. You know, it's not like it's a new thing. So it kind of is what it is. So it's like people fighting over stuff. Yeah. But they don't need to be fighting over killing each other ever. Green chili enchiladas and stuff.

1:05:29Oh my goodness. It actually was too hot. I don't even want to talk about it. It's embarrassing. But it happened. They made the news. So let's talk about this scary ocean that somebody created. Oh. And calling a mask pack to the Nespa World will sort of wrap up the podcast because, you know, you see this concoctions that you see like, you know, you watch more TV and stuff like I mix and everything together and you're like, oh, yeah. But what do they call it? Baby witches on TikTok. And it's like, use this to ward off negative energy. And it's like, I don't think people realize that, you know, nature has chemicals that are super deadly. Yeah. And if you combine them, you can cause lots of terrible problems. Like a potion to ward off ghosts was so powerful. A family needed a hazmat team. Yeah. Yes. So a potion was created ward off ghosts and it proved to be so powerful.

1:06:32The household needed a hazmat team to come remove it according to investigators in North Carolina. This happened at a home in Winston Salem. Someone associated with home bought a book on psychic home safety practices then went to Amazon and bought a 68% concentrated nitric acid and set it by the door to ward off the haunts according to Winston Salem fire department. You want to create more haunts? A hate is a malevolent spirit. And the term derives from the African American gula gula culture. The potions pungent odor is what prompted a plea for help. Officials say has Matt team in full safety garb neutralize the acid, which is highly corrosive and can take the form of gas vapor, mist, fume or aerosol.

1:07:32Nitric acid fumes may cause immediate irritation of respiratory tract pain, the dyspnea followed by a period of recovery that may last several weeks. Winston Salem fire department says it does not recommend the action or practice of using nitric acid to ward off haunts. Yes. Well, I personally make it kind of a rule. If it has acid in the name, I pretty much treat it as toxic. You know, it may not be. You should still, there's nothing wrong with having an abundance of caution when it comes that sort of thing. Because if you've ever mixed bleach and ammonia together by accident, we created like fosking gas or whatever, you only do that once. Because it creates a terrible act. It's very bad. Yeah. We had to take down the Facebook post and... Yeah, you know why? Why? Because they don't want people buying a bunch of nitric acid because I think they can do

1:08:33the various things with it. Okay. So, if you're going to get a potion to ward off haunts and other evil spirits and stuff, maybe do a little bit of research before you jump on Amazon and go, how much is that? That's good price. Read the labels. Maybe if your stuff comes with a material safety data sheet, MSDS, you should exercise some caution to it. It's like people that buy super concentrated vinegar. Right? Uh-huh. It's like, okay, well, the stuff you get for cooking is not nearly as corrosive as the stuff for industrial purposes. You got to be cool with that kind of stuff, too. People... I remember learning a lot of this when I went to school. Yeah. And I don't think that sort of stuff happens anymore. I don't know. I mean, I learned how to stop drop and roll, put out fires. You know what I mean? Junior fire safety, deputy marshal kid or whatever you learn about all that stuff.

1:09:33Is that stuff even happening anymore? I don't know. I mean, maybe... I don't know. We also had shop classes, auto repair. I took drafting class, shop class, printing class. I can say that does still happen, in fact. And then they had home economics where people learned how to cook and so stuff. And then it was a useful class. They're full programs now at our local high school. As long as you maintain and sit through two years, go through the two years of it, you go straight into our local community college. You go straight into the kitchen? No. You can. I've been like the home kitchen. No. No. So, but it's a good program. It's like... But I think there's a lot of communities that don't have that anymore. It used to be serious business. It wasn't like... I don't know. It's probably watered down now compared to the way it was back then. I mean, you learn how to actually cook and bake and all that sort of thing.

1:10:36There's even... They even had sewing classes. It was like sewing one and sewing two. That's some of the stuff that's not taught and it's kind of annoying. Like, the shop classes have expanded to full construction. You have juniors and seniors taking full-on masonry classes and getting certifications. Yeah, but that's different. That has always existed as part of like Votec. Yeah. You know, like a vocational... But you don't have to take a bus someplace else. You used to be back when you were... Well, yeah. If your high school actually had it, you didn't have to take a bus. But if you were a terrible student, they would offer you Votec, which is funny because we kind of need those vocational technical skills now. So... Yeah. They sent me to one one time because I was really bored and this wasn't doing school. I would go to school, but I wouldn't do it. And they were like, hey, you should go check out these Votec program programs and they were roofing a shed.

1:11:37And they were all... And people were like, excited. I'm like, I don't want to do this. So... But I took electronics, printing, ceramics, photography, auto, drafting. Industrial design, visual arts. I took all that stuff because those were... I was interested in all of that stuff. I even took typing, which was terrible. Yeah. Using an IBM Slitric 3. I think now they call it keyboarding. Also took computer programming classes. So whatever electives I could take, I mean, that's what I would take. All the rest of the school is just kind of boring. You know what I mean? Yeah. So there you go. Yeah. Yeah. So... That's weird.

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1:13:40When we head by on the car, I'm surgery. Yep. She's a keyboard warrior. What's the suffer the battlefield injury? It is getting a little harder to type with the left hand, so who knows. I get surgery with the left hand soon. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's going to happen. Yeah. Welcome to the olds. I'm going to get surgeries. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it is what it is. Anyway, I do appreciate you taking time. Listen, if you have any questions, comments, concerns, like I always say, and just let us know. But yeah, we'll see you again. We'll do this again. We've been doing this for a long time. See you later. Take you to easy. Bye, sickle. Bye.