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I'm John Lovett, I'm Tommy VTore, I'm Dan Pfeiffer.

So this is the final stop on our hopefully just visiting tour and in the week we've been

gone from America, nothing has really happened that makes us want to go back.

The President tried to arrest some members of Congress, the Attorney General handled

questions about Jeffrey Epstein by screaming about the stock market.

The Health and Human Services Secretary declared war on Donuts and even though the Department

of Homeland Security is shut down, the Secretary's deportation plane is reportedly still taking

trips to Pound Town.

We'll talk about, sure is, making a stop.

We'll talk about some of these stories tonight as well as Barack Obama's comments on whether

aliens are real and how Democrats can win them over.

That's the secret plan to win the election.

Then we're going to stage our very own debate about which Democrat is the best choice to

be the nominee in 2028.

So yeah, something to look forward to.

What did you say?

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He doesn't miss a podcast.

Did somebody say Newsom?

But we're going to start with the question that we keep getting asked everywhere we go

on this trip, which is, will Donald Trump try to steal the midterm elections?

Yeah, the outlook isn't great.

As we were boarding our flight the other day, Trump went on one of his insane grants about

voter ID.

In this instance, it was about Democrats in Congress blocking the Save Act, which would

require all Americans to present either their passport or their birth certificate in person

at an elections office in order to vote.

Trump isn't thrilled that this law is having trouble passing, so he wrote, quote, I have

searched the depths of legal arguments not yet articulated or vetted on this subject.

And we'll be presenting an irrefutable one in the very near future.

There will be voter ID for the midterm elections, whether approved by Congress or not.

That same day, Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Nome, whose department has no role

in administering federal elections in America, nevertheless held an election security event

in Arizona.

And here's what she said.

When it gets to election day that we've been proactive to make sure that we have the

right people voting, electing the right leaders to lead this country.

Can you offer us any good examples of this kind of fraud in Arizona?

Oh, I'm sure there's many of them, but we want to make sure that we have...

Yeah, that's right.

So love it.

On one hand, really alarming.

On the other hand, she really is stupid.

So what do you think?

Yeah, I think alarming and stupid has been our decade.

So I think she has no role in administering elections as you pointed out.

And we'll talk more about her other roles later, but what is clear is like, why is she

doing this?

It's not because she has some secret knowledge about their plan to steal the election.

She's doing this because she thinks this is what Donald Trump wants to see her doing.

This is a message event where she's trying to get headlines, doing the thing that she

thinks is the kind of thing that Donald Trump wants a cabinet secretary to be doing.

About what she does is about how it's going to look, the image, her own profile, keeping

herself in Trump's favor.

So what's alarming to me about this is she's a clawed and she's saying it in the most

hand-fisted way possible.

She's going beyond, I think, what even a Trump administration would official would normally

say.

But it's revealing because she's saying what she believes Trump wants to hear, and I think

that's right.

I don't think she's wrong about that.

Yeah.

As for the Save Act, which has passed the House, but doesn't currently have enough votes

to pass the Senate, Republicans are now toying with the idea of either eliminating the

filibuster, or if they can't get the votes for that, forcing Democrats to do a talking

filibuster where they have to physically stand on the Senate floor and keep speaking indefinitely

if they want to block the bill.

Would you make of that threat, and is that a good idea for Republicans?

So I genuinely find the focus on this confusing.

I think what Republicans would say is it's a very popular piece of legislation.

They say it's like an 80-20 issue, which might be true.

But I think if you asked voters a separate question, which is like, okay, Republicans are

going to blow up the U.S. Senate in the way it functions.

Here's a menu of things they could do it on behalf of.

People would say stuff like, well, it's going to make some jobs or like fix the economy

or make healthcare more affordable and more housing and not this.

So moreover, like it's solving a fake problem, there is not an epidemic of non-citizens voting.

I don't know if you guys have heard this, but in America, we can barely get our citizens

to vote.

I think like less than a few minutes ago, we said Barack Obama was trying to get aliens

to vote now.

Like I think you're tuned.

Less than half the country turned out in the last midterm election.

But this piece of legislation would create real hurdles for citizens to get registered.

There's an organization called the Brennan Center, which is like nonpartisan voting rights

activists.

They said that like 21 million people could face added hardships because they didn't have

easy access to the documents you would need to get registered.

For example, like women who are recently married and haven't and change their names might

have to go through a bunch of hurdles.

So it could hurt Republicans as much as Democrats and then I know Dan is like dug into this.

Regardless, if Republicans blow up the filibuster to pass the save act, then I think Democrats

will almost certainly respond in kind.

And that could mean when Democrats are in charge passing universal mail-in ballots federally

across the country, same-day registration, hate maybe we could take a page out of your

book and do a little compulsory voting.

I know you guys like that.

Taxpayer-funded democracy sausages.

Yes, democracy sausage with blueie.

We can't even get compulsory measles vaccines anyway.

Well, baby steps.

And then you could see Democrats passing other legislation that's not related to voting

rights.

So it seems it's a strange choice to me.

Dan, how do you think Democrats would play it?

Well, I think it's just worth explaining what this bill actually does.

To register to vote in the United States, you can do it with only two documents.

Your passport or your birth certificate.

And if you got married and changed your name, your birth certificate does not work.

And so it's not going to point down.

I just worth noting.

I think this is actually an argument to make to Republicans because we do not want this

to happen.

I could make a very compelling argument that this would actually help Democrats in the

short term because our base is much more likely to be college-educated and wealthy.

One in four people who didn't go to college has a passport.

One in five people who make less than $50,000 has a passport.

Conservative women changed their name after getting married at twice the rate of liberal

women.

And so it sounded pretty good.

But we also like democracy.

And this would be the greatest step backwards, I think, in recent memory for voting in America.

The millions of people we just had franchised with this.

And that would, and the people, most likely, just have franchised with people whose voices

need to be heard most in the system.

And so I think we have two, we have to try to stop this.

I think it is very possible.

They will consider finding some way to jam this through because Trump wants it.

And they, they're, it's worth it's worth it, and most of the people are particularly stupid.

And they don't recognize how bad this would be for them in the short term.

And they are fully convinced because they get all their news from, all their information

from Fox News that there is this epidemic of non-citizen voting.

All the studies show that it comes out to 0.001 percent of attempt its attempts.

That even people actually vote, but non-citizen is attempting to vote.

All the studies show is not a thing that happens.

And so we have to make a private argument because we don't want this to happen.

But the public argument, I think, is really important is we want them to feel internal

pressure to not do this.

I'm going to feel external pressure about what would happen if they do do it.

And I think the argument we want to make is that Donald Trump and Republicans want to

pass this law because they want to make it harder for you to vote to take away your power

so that billionaires, corporations, politically connected cronies, elites, the Epstein class

or the ones who get to call the shots in our government, not you.

Right?

We need to take this and put it into the context of our larger narrative about how Trump

is helping elites, he's exploiting a broken system, how he's corrupt, and instead of

trying to make just a pure, what's good for democracy argument because that has not

worked out so well for us in recent years.

It's crazy because we are nine months from the midterm elections and the states administer

federal elections.

This thing passes just the amount of money and manpower it would take for every state

to set up a verification system to make sure they're verifying people's passports and birth

certificates.

Half the country doesn't have passports and you think the state department, after they've

cut as much of the state department as they have, is going to start processing passports.

They will for red states.

That's what's so nefarious about this is you have now taken the thing you need to vote

is something the federal government controls whether you get or not.

But I don't, even if they make it for red states, I think the argument that red states

are going to be hurt by this and Trump voters are going to be hurt by this is a good one

to make because it's true, like they are, like they do this, they're going to just

enfranchise a whole bunch of their own voters.

But ammunition will be a disaster.

Disaster.

Well, this is to register to vote, right?

So there's a question about what happens if you are ready registered.

But online voter registration, gone, mail-in voter registration, definitely gone, automatic

voter registration, gone, to vote right now under this bill.

The only way to feasibly register to vote is to walk into an elections office bearing

your passport or your birth certificate, which I'm sure you all have in your home, right?

Mike.

It's crazy.

It's ridiculous.

So speaking of Christy Nome, we need to talk about the incredible

Wall Street Journal story that shed some light on the long rumored extramarital affair

between the Homeland Security Secretary and her most powerful advisor, former Trump

campaign manager Corey Lewandowski.

So these two lovebirds have apparently been flying around on a taxpayer-funded deportation

plane with a private fuck cabin in the back.

It's going on there.

They've also been using the department's massive budget to not only terrorize communities

but advance Nome's presidential ambitions, and they've been firing any government officials

who stand in their way, including apparently a Coast Guard pilot who committed the sin

of accidentally leaving Nome's blankie in the plane.

But then they had to hire him back because they had no other way to get home, which tells

you everything.

Um, you can't fire the fucking pilot before you fly home.

Get another fucking blanket also.

Well, yeah.

You spending this much money on the plane and the cabin in the back?

Have an extra blanket.

Uh, favorite anecdotes in this, uh, in this piece, guys?

Anyone want to start?

Tommy?

Um, so just two quick things about these individuals.

So Christy Nome, you guys have probably heard that she bragged about murdering her dog.

You know that part?

She was governor of South Dakota.

She also greenlit an anti drug PSA with the tagline meth comma were on it.

So that's the intellectual fire power on that part of the, the relationship.

The other half of the trist is a guy named Corey Lewandowski who was Donald Trump's first

campaign manager who got busted lying about something in the media and had to testify

in front of Congress about it.

And he said, quote, I have no obligation to be honest with the media.

That was a quote to Congress.

So these are the people we're talking about.

My favorite part of the story is about this guy, Corey Lewandowski, who desperately wants

a gun and a badge because he is a five year old and he wants to be a sheriff for Halloween

apparently.

And he is so hellbent on getting this gun and badge issued to him by DHS that he is fired

or pushed out people at the department that tell him he's not allowed to do it.

And the reason this is so surprising that he would care so deeply is he was arrested

in 1999 for bringing a gun to his office, which was Congress.

And he said he forgot that it was in his laundry bag.

Fuck an idiot.

Also he didn't get, well also, this is also my favorite anecdote.

He used the auto pen to sign the permit to get the gun.

Then he didn't actually get the gun, people realized that maybe that was not a good idea.

But he's been spotted burning the badge around town.

Yeah, he do.

He's still got the badge.

You were as a badge in the bedroom in the back.

I don't want to think about the roles they're playing, cops and robbers.

The desire that she seems to have to want to run for president, and the fact that she

isn't right, she's just not capable of putting together the pieces.

To me when I read the piece, what you take away from it is this is somebody that is trying

to gain total control over this department, but does not have the intellect, skills, capability

of administering it.

So it's creating problems all around her, and those problems are embarrassing both to

her personally and to the president.

So she can only react by trying to fire people, hastily pull together conferences where

she's standing in front of pallets of supplies or flying around the country trying to do press

conferences to impress Donald Trump, but everything she touches seems to turn to shit.

She's overseeing a budget that is now the size of the Israeli militaries, because they

got all this ice, got all this funding.

She is, according to this piece, using the budget, or trying to use the budget to run hundreds

of millions of dollars worth of ads to burnish her reputation.

They were trying to use all the deportations and make sure that they film all the deportations,

like all the cruel, awful deportation porn that the DHS is putting out on social media.

This was like originally conceived to help Christy Nome's presidential ambitions.

And then when they realized that this actually wasn't helping that much, because they killed

two Americans, then she decided to pivot to FEMA, to the Federal Emergency Management

Association and pay attention to that.

And so she started going to, like, even though she didn't care about that at first, she

started going to all these press conferences.

Although she told everyone when the winter storm was coming, don't say the word ice about

the winter storm, because you don't want to confuse it for the ice agency, because that's

not really popular right now.

So that's what's going on at DHS right now, which is now shut down temporarily, I guess,

because they don't want to accede to the Democrats demands for ice agents taking off their

masks and following the law and the Constitution and making sure that they try to get a warrant

before they break into people's homes.

Yeah, they're red line in negotiation is having warrants from judges, which is a problem,

because that's also a red line in the Constitution.

So they're on the wrong side of a very bright red line.

There's also a moment where, and I forgot that this had happened, where it was after

the killing of Alex Prattie, they're at a cabinet meeting.

And in those meetings where Trump goes from person to person, getting them to praise him,

he skipped over Kristinaum in the meeting, which is basically like getting a kiss on the cheek

from fucking Al Capone, you know, but she still got a job.

He hasn't fired yet.

Well, it's just worth honing it on just how fucking banana is that he gave her the shot

to begin with.

He's number one priority is immigration.

This is one of the most powerful, biggest agents in the world.

He picks someone who has no experience in immigration.

She's a governor of South Dakota.

I spent all that time in South Dakota politics.

The only immigration in South Dakota you worry about is people sneaking across the Minnesota border.

It is the South Dakota budget, the DHS budget is nine times larger than the state of South

Dakota's budget.

And the DHS workforce is 20 times larger than the South Dakota state employees.

Wow.

Like she's so in over ahead of this and he only gave it to her because his former campaign

manager who is her alleged boyfriend and wants to be her alleged campaign manager.

She runs her president convinced him to do so.

First dude.

I just think I think he's second and I think he knows that Stephen Miller is really in

charge of the Department of Homeland Security.

And I think that Stephen Miller, I know, and I think Miller probably likes the fact that

he's got a dummy running DHS that will do whatever he says.

And he wouldn't want someone that was like pushing back and being competent and trying

to run the thing.

Like the core mistake is like she was so focused on getting attention and getting pressed

that she is the one that was driving the sensationalist coverage, the big glossy fucking

raids, the helicopters.

She's the one that goes down to Seacot and stands there with a gold Rolex on her wrist.

She's the one that wants Bavino and all of that has like come back on them so terribly.

So she's just tired from this.

She's not the one deciding how many people they're trying to deport.

That is the administration's policy.

She's not doing good PR for them.

But Stephen Miller is the reason they have a mass deportation policy and they can gussy

it up.

You could swap out Bavino for Tom Homan.

If you're trying to deport millions of people, you're going to be deporting people that

are just here to do work and do jobs.

There's not enough criminals in the world for them to round up.

And so like they'll put like a, you know, they'll try to kind of have her be the fall person

for this.

But they're doing what the White House wants them to be doing.

Glad to have someone look terrible while doing it for them.

Yeah.

All right.

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We both rejected the British crown.

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In many ways, we both take pride in being wild countries with larger than life people and

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American and Australian political controversies and scandals.

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I have question for my best boys about Australian political mayhem and we will see who knows

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C, a right-wing militiaman from a nearby compound, were D, a white-tailed American deer.

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Shut down.

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That's correct.

It was a swamp rabbit in what became known as the, quote, killer rabbit attack said one

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Only one photo of the incident exists.

The Carter White House refused to release it, but when Ronald Reagan took office, his administration

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John Dan Tommy, the Harold Holt Memorial Swimming Center, is a pool in Melbourne, Australia.

It is named in honor of Prime Minister Harold Holt after he unexpectedly passed in 1967.

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Was it be a heart attack while traveling from Canberra to Tasmania?

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Follow up.

There has long been a conspiracy theory that Harold Holt did not die in the water that day.

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Sea.

No.

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The Chinese got him.

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How many people here believe that?

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That's why you need office.

Yeah.

You got to defend yourselves.

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Now, his widow, Zara Holt, had to refute this allegation.

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That's someone called it up.

That's often said her husband didn't even like Chinese food.

All right.

Let's come up here.

We would like to answer a question.

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What's your name?

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That was in fact 3,000 years old.

Cracking it in several places.

Or D, did he vomit into the Prime Minister's lap and faint?

What do you think?

He vomited into the Prime Minister's lap and fainted.

That's correct.

Mailed it.

Yep.

George Bush had a chunder.

How's that?

Okay.

That picture is so bad.

What is Barbara doing?

Barbara, I'll tell you what Barbara Bush is doing.

She's being a first lady because she did not care if he lived or died.

She was going to hide his face.

She looks like she's trying to snuff him out.

Yeah, she really, she doesn't, she jumped.

If you watch the video, everybody, she jumps in.

She jumps in like, she dives like in front of a bullet for George Bush in a sense.

That's cool.

It's cool.

All right.

John Dan Tommy.

Former Australian Prime Minister Bob Hawk held a Guinness World Record.

Before entering politics, what was it for?

Was it A, most sausages eaten at a cricket match?

B, longest continuous speech on the floor of Parliament.

C, fastest consumption of a yard of beer.

Or D, longest distance swam in open water.

Not including Holt.

What do you think, Dan?

What do you think?

Speech.

I have no clue.

Don't look at me.

You want to get away in here, John?

Hey, stop helping them.

Look how handsome they are.

Everything.

What do you think?

Can you give us the pounding beer?

That's correct.

The fastest consumption of a yard of a yard of a,

all 2.5 pints, he did it in about 11 seconds.

A record he said while studying in Oxford.

Hawk later said this feat was to endear me to some of my fellow Australians

more than anything else I ever achieved.

Here we have a video of him later.

I'm the government.

That's amazing.

He gets, look at that.

Look at that.

He gets that whole thing down.

Look at this guy.

There's a torso.

American politicians take note.

I don't really.

Follow up.

Alright.

Future Prime Minister Paul Keating was Hawk's treasure.

He recalled arriving for a meeting with the PM in a full suit,

sweating to find Hawk in what condition?

How did they find it?

It was a hot summer day.

Past out?

Nope.

Naked naked?

Yup.

Naked by the pool, he was naked for their meeting.

I feel like that one probably feels less endearing over time, right?

Speaking of seeing members in unexpected places,

who in the audience would like to go next?

I'll come up there.

Someone raise their hand.

Coming over here.

Okay.

Hi.

What's your name?

Elizabeth.

In 2007, Republican Senator Larry Craig Idaho was arrested

for lead conduct in a men's bathroom at the Minneapolis St. Paul

International Airport, accused of soliciting sex from an undercover officer

in the next stall.

He pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct and tried to withdraw the plea.

What was his public defense?

Was it A?

He was reaching under the stall divider to pick up a fallen piece of paper.

He was tapping his foot B to the music on his headphones.

C.

He just has a wide stance.

Or D.

He thought the person in the next stall was having a medical emergency.

No, D.

No, you got it wrong.

It was C.

He had a wide stance.

Wide stance.

Here he is at the press conference with his poor sad wife.

Do you guys remember that?

Yeah.

That didn't make it to Australia.

Do you guys know about this?

Wow.

It was bleak.

It was pretty bleak.

There had been a reporter that had been traveling around trying to find

evidence that Larry Craig had done this at other places throughout D.C.

Did he get off?

I'm not sure.

I mean, not that day.

Follow-up, what happened after he announced his intention to resign?

He just didn't.

He just never left.

Just stayed till the end of his term.

All right.

For John, Dan, and Tommy, on the 30th of November of 2022,

the Australian House voted to censure former Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

Why?

They don't...

Boo!

Why was he censured?

A.

For secretly holding multiple ministerial positions while serving as Prime Minister.

B.

For his handling of the darkest submarine deal with the United States.

C.

For his missteps during the COVID vaccine rollout or D for vacationing in Hawaii

during the country's catastrophic bushfires.

All of them?

I thought it was for shitting his pants in McDonald's driver.

There it is.

We thought it was for shitting his pants at the McDonald's.

What do you think?

Was it all of them?

Actually, it could have been.

It could have been, but it wasn't technically.

They're all true, but only one was the reason he was censured.

Oh.

Hawaii?

No.

It actually wasn't.

It was for secretly holding multiple ministerial positions.

How many extra jobs did he secretly have?

It was five.

It's like you were in the health minister.

The finance minister.

The resources minister, the home affairs minister, and the treasurer.

Now, I have a question for the crowd.

Okay, you censured Scott Morrison.

Why did your governor general not get any fucking shit

for secretly signing off on this?

Why do you never come for the king's representatives?

Why didn't you?

Where's the censure for that guy?

He's been on this the whole trip.

I hate this governor general.

I hate this governor general thing.

You're a proud people here in Australia.

Get rid of the fucking crown.

It's outrageous.

One of the greatest cities in the fucking world.

Look what you're building all around you.

You still check with the king to make sure it's okay.

Okay.

Some think-figured inbred freak in London.

Finish your revolution, please.

Hey, hey.

Donald Trump's our president.

Yeah.

No.

It makes me so sad.

All right.

Follow up, John Dan Tommy.

Scott Morrison did face a massive scandal for vacationing

during the black summer bushfires.

And that killed 33 people directly.

Hundreds more indirectly as a result of smoke.

What were some of the criticisms he faced?

A, his office did not notify the public who was acting prime minister.

B, his office initially denied he was on holiday in Hawaii.

C, for saying thankfully we've had no loss of life while visiting

Kangaroo Island where two people had died.

Or D, for saying before he'd even made it back to Australia

from his trip, quote,

I don't hold a hose mate.

And I don't sit in a control room.

It just feels like an all the above situation.

All the above.

You got it.

Yeah.

All right.

Through over here, who wants to answer a question about America?

You're pointing at people.

All right.

Where's that Australian confidence?

All right.

Hi.

What's your name?

Rachel.

Where are you from?

Kangaroo Valley.

You guys have a local cheer?

Yeah.

How far is that from here?

Like two hours if you go fast.

By Kangaroo.

There's Americans.

You know, we really kind of,

the Kangaroo looms large in the child's minds for an American.

And I think every American child becomes an adult

when we find out that the pouches are gross.

What do you think about that?

Yeah, they're gross.

Well, you know more about wombats.

Do you know that wombats poop or cubes?

Yeah, of course.

Yeah.

Of course.

They don't know why?

No one knows why it's a cube.

That woman thinks she knows.

All right.

She doesn't know.

She's a fucking liar.

All right.

Texas Republican Ted Cruz faces own vacation scandal for flying

to Cancun during winter storm Yuri,

which knocked out power for millions of Texans and killed an estimated 246 people.

He initially blamed his daughters,

saying he was shamp-running them on a trip they'd asked for.

But that was later shown to be false.

How was it proven to be false?

Was it A?

His daughters did an Instagram live to refute the allegation.

Was it B?

Their neighbors leaked the group chat.

Was it C?

He actually forgot his daughters at home, home alone style.

Or D.

Ted Cruz emailed the proposed itinerary to Jeffrey Epstein.

That's incorrect.

It was the group chat.

Yeah.

It's always the group chat.

The leaked group chat showed that Heidi Cruz had organized the trip inviting others to join them at the Ritz.

When asked about the leaked text,

Ted Cruz called his neighbors, assholes.

All right.

John, Dan, Tommy.

Johnny.

No, there he is.

There's Ted.

Uh.

Nice mask.

Johnny Depp and his then-wife Amber Hurge

brought their two Yorkshire terrors into Australia

without a quarantine declaration.

Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce issued a public threat.

What was that threat?

Was it A?

A $100,000 fine per dog.

B.

Depp had to film a public apology video or face prosecution.

C.

Leave or I kill the dogs.

Or D.

Depp was banned from entering Australia for five years.

Oh.

What do you think?

What did Barnaby Joyce threaten?

Johnny Depp.

Pre-cancelation.

Johnny Depp.

I remember this because he was like helicopter footage of the house where they were staying.

It was like a big deal.

It was a big deal.

Those Yorkies.

I think it's the jail or the big deal.

Kill the dogs?

Correct.

Wow.

Good job.

The dogs would be euthanized within 72 hours if Depp didn't take them out of the country.

Mr. Depp has to either take his dogs back to California or we're going to have to euthanize them.

The dogs were flown out.

Depp later insulted Joyce by saying he looked like he was in bread with what vegetable?

You guys remember?

Shout it.

Tomato.

Look at him.

I think we read in that.

I think we read in that artificially.

You never know.

I think that's for you.

Johnny Depp.

I know.

Yeah.

Johnny Depp got him.

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America.

Our cars are as generous as our asses and our roads like our hearts are enormous and clogged.

According to a recent study in an American medical journal that somehow is still operating,

in both the US and Australia, we now get more than half of our calories from ultra-processed foods.

Now, it wasn't that long ago that Michelle Obama let a campaign to encourage Americans to eat

healthier foods to get more exercise.

At the time, Republicans said you could pry the cheese doodles from their cold dead week bloated hands.

But all that has changed because now we're making America healthy again as only the Trump administration

knows how by fucking it up completely.

And so it's time for okay stop.

We'll start with a man, a doughnut, and a surprise special appearance by an infamous athlete.

What do you think he doing?

Processful kills.

Remember that.

Okay stop.

That is what is happening in America.

War on doughnuts.

He looks so genuinely pissed.

Like that slap does not seem like a stage slap.

Just who Mike Tyson is?

He's the scariest motherfucker to walk this planet in whenever it was that he was at his prime.

And not one of our most upstanding Americans either.

No.

I mean, I guess when he technically, Evander Holyfield's ear is not processed.

No, that's true.

That is true.

That's farmed to table, baby.

There's no joy in that look he's given us right now.

Well, he fucking hates doughnuts.

It is just wild that they have declared war on doughnuts.

Because can you imagine if, well Michelle Obama tried to tell people to eat healthy.

And she was roundly criticized by the Republican Party.

Yeah, imagine the outcry if some bisexual female soccer player did a press conference

and knocked a doughnut at a AOC's hand and said we're not eating these anymore.

It would just lead Fox News for the rest of our fucking lives.

Yeah, yeah, this just came and went one day.

People barely, barely registered.

It was on the Super Bowl.

Well, yeah, the other one was, yeah.

Also, if you're, let's say you're just taking this generous,

like you're just taking this at face value, like what?

You don't know.

If you're like, who is being persuaded to not eat a doughnut by this advertisement?

No one.

Like, fear of physical violence.

I man will come to your house.

Next up, milk.

You know from cows.

Trump can tell you all about it.

Specifically whole milk.

And we'll let him explain.

I open a refrigerator and say milk with rice and milk with water and milk with everything.

And I say, what kind of milk is it?

That's what I like right there.

It's actually a legal definition, whole milk.

And it's whole with the W for those of you that have a problem.

Most of the million will drop down.

Okay, stop.

What is the problem?

What problem would they have with the milk with an H?

With the W?

I think this is the first time he discovered that.

I genuinely do.

I think today was the day he learned that whole meaning the entirety of the item

is not the same as whole in the ground.

Yeah.

Also, he opens the fridge and sees milk.

And he doesn't think that would go well with a delicious cookie or some cereal.

He thinks it pairs with rice.

No, no.

What I think is he is just discovering alternative milks and he doesn't know what they are.

Oh.

He was like, milk, almond milk, soy milk.

Milk with rice.

I think he thinks it's rice milk.

Yeah.

I just think he's confused.

What?

Yeah.

Because then he goes, because this is the one I like right here.

And he points at the jug of milk that is off camera.

I like, I realize while watching this video, like Trump is so disconnected from normal life.

Like, forget not driving a car or going to a soup market.

Does he open fridges?

Like, does he know what happened?

Like, does he ever, like maybe other than a drink fridge.

Like a compact drink fridge filled with diacos.

No, someone brings him a diacos.

Yeah.

He presses a button.

He's not doing that himself.

So he doesn't open a fridge and look for food to eat.

He presses the diacote button.

Right.

So I don't think he's thinking, I think when he thinks in fridges is rice.

I also think he probably has not had milk in any form in 70 years.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's true.

No cereal, no glass of milk, no milk in your coffee.

No.

I don't think he drinks coffee.

He washes down the cookies with diacochoke for sure.

Yeah.

I think that part's cool.

I mean, this also is worth is that this was the executive order to allow people to drink raw milk.

Right.

Which has cow shit in it as far as I can tell.

Yeah.

The natural selection will kick in, presumably at some point, drinking raw milk straight from the udder.

He's not drinking it.

No.

Of course with Trump, as always, best do as he says, but not as he does because as RFK Jr. has observed,

he eats like there's no tomorrow.

Who has the most unhinged eating habits?

He eats really bad food, which is McDonald's.

And then, you know, candy and a diacochoke.

But he eats that drinks the diacochoke all the time.

He is a constitution of a deity.

I don't know how he's alive.

If you travel with him, you get this idea that he's just pumping himself for poison all day long.

From your mouth to God's ears.

What I like about this, though, is there no part of this that causes RFK Jr. to question his priors?

Because there is Donald Trump in his late 70s, boundless energy eating nothing but french fries and burnt ground beef all day every day.

Nothing but aspartame, diacochoke, and he's running a mile a minute around.

Meanwhile, RFK Jr. never doesn't seem like he's on the verge of collapse.

Having nothing but, like, kimchi and raw milk.

He affirmates.

Yeah, kimchi, among other firms.

Yes.

He's pumping himself for poison all day long.

I mean, it's also just worth mentioning what this is all about, right?

The donut thing, RFK Jr. here, the raw milk is the Mickey Mark LTA again, which has taken over large parts of our politics.

And it's probably the fact that all of these wellness people ended up as Republicans.

It's like a massive failure of the Democratic Party.

Big time.

Yeah.

Well, the person who is the primary, like, the number one food influencer in America, this woman named Food Babe.

That's her.

She, she was sat behind RFK Jr. at his confirmation hearings.

She was an Obama delegate in 2008, 2012.

Oh, wow.

And just we, even though we have led on this stuff, we just, like, stop talking to these people.

We wouldn't give them raw milk.

Well, the people like RFK Jr. pushed him into the, like, the algorithm will take you on a journey from, like...

Healthy...

Healthy skepticism is where everything gets started.

Yeah, it takes you there, raw milk, and we want measles.

Well, it starts with, like, how do I get, like, chemical-free sunscreen from my kids?

Or how do I, you know, how do I feed my kids healthy and the algorithm takes you?

If you're a vaccine skepticism, you're at raw milk, then you're supporting Donald Trump.

And the thing that's crazy is, like, is that all of this, like, eating, not eating processed foods, that's a good thing.

Right?

Donuts are kind of delicious, but that's not the point.

But is, that doesn't do you any good if you have an administration that just lets chemical companies pollute your air and water?

Yeah.

Like, as we've seen in a, like, this is a, to me, a good example too.

Like, there was a long-running failure of the establishment to address, like, legitimate concerns about the chemicals in our foods and the, the, the, the proliferation of processed foods.

There were no consequences for switching to skin milk.

Like, look, there's good reasons for people to not be drinking whole milk every fucking day.

But, like, we cut fat from all kinds of foods, and then America gained a trillion pounds.

And, like, we, we're paying a huge price for it now, and this now, like, this, there is real reason for people to be like, wait a second, why didn't we address some of these things?

Why didn't we pull some of these chemicals out?

Of course, these people are also going after, like, what is a threat to our society?

It's, like, it's not an occasional donut.

People should have a fucking fine hat.

It's fucking measles.

It's measles.

But, even though the chemicals in the food, they have done absolutely nothing on the regulatory front.

They've made it worse, yeah.

They've made it worse.

And so it's all just about, like, personal responsibility.

Yeah, you have a public service message from Mike Tyson.

Telling you to get the donut out of your mouth.

Right.

Well, it's just forever chemicals all the way down.

And you have the president not leading, by example.

Which is cool.

And, yes, who better to take health advice from than RFK Jr.?

Your man who always looks, sounds and acts like he's the sole survivor of a cruise ship sinking.

And was just rescued from a life raft found on the open seas.

I'm not scared of a germ.

You know, I used to snort cocaine off the toilet seats.

No, okay, stop.

Again.

I just...

I want to know the situation where he was snoring the cocaine off the toilet seats.

We're presuming he spilled cocaine on the toilet seat.

That was what I've been saying.

I think that he spilled it on the toilet seat.

He said plural.

And he was, yeah, well, maybe it happened a couple of times.

He needed a flat surface in the club...

So many other flat surfaces besides the toilet.

The floor.

The tank.

His key.

His credit card.

Maybe he likes to cut his cocaine with butt.

Maybe there's something thrilling about it.

Something dangerous and exciting about snorting cocaine off the toilet seat.

Don't knock until you try it, Dan.

Sorry.

What was that?

Ah, I didn't want...

Anyway, this is the person in charge of public health.

A man who doesn't really worry about germs because of the places he used to do cocaine.

The donut will kill you, though.

Yeah, watch out for the donut.

Watch out for little sugar and frosting after it.

You know, a little treat at the end of the day.

Go fuck yourself.

And that's okay, stop.

Yeah.

All right, so there's no shortage of democratic leaders sounding off about what the party should be doing right now.

Our old boss, Barack Obama, just sat down for an interview with our...

Yeah.

With our good friend, Brian Tyler Cohen, which is making waves mostly for this exchange.

Are aliens real?

They're real, but I haven't seen them.

And they're not being kept in...

Area 51.

There's no underground facility.

Unless there's this enormous conspiracy and they hit it from the President of the United States.

What was the first question you wanted answered when you became President?

Where are the aliens?

So...

So for some reason that we can talk about,

Obama after this took the rare step of clarifying what he meant there in a follow-up post.

I can't remember him ever doing this.

Where he said that he was, quote, just trying to stick with the spirit of the speed round.

Which has always been a passion of his.

And all he meant was that, quote, statistically, the universe is so vast that the odds are good.

There's life out there.

But that, quote, I saw no evidence during my presidency that extraterrestrials had made contact with us.

Period, really, period.

That should clear things out.

I think.

Tommy, you've been privy to more highly classified government secrets on the rest of us.

What do you think's going on here?

You buying his answer? Did someone get to him?

I'm wondering that too.

I mean, I look, I don't want to disappoint the kind of ex-files ancient aliens stands out there.

That's what I expect you to say.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, I look, I do not think that Barack Obama was just sort of like casually confirming the existence of aliens.

And the 44th minute of a 47 minute YouTube interview in the speed round, right?

Like, Brian, I love Brian.

He's actually a dear friend of mine.

I don't think Obama gave him the scoop of the century in the speed rounds of the interview.

I think what he's referencing there is.

Love it can get into this, too.

The Drake equation, the universe is very large.

There's a lot of stars.

There's even more planets.

Many of them may be habitable.

You do a little math.

Dipsy, do.

Probably some life out there.

Maybe they're too far away to contact them.

Maybe they came and went and were all in different areas.

We don't know.

Now, maybe I'm an unwitting tool of the deep state.

And the deep state.

Maybe they want us to think that.

The deep state is deeper than we ever could have imagined.

But mostly what I learned in government is I believed less and less in conspiracy theories like this,

because people can't keep a secret and shit leaks constantly.

And if Donald Trump knew that aliens existed, he would have monetized it by now.

They would never tell him.

There's three possibilities.

There are aliens.

And they didn't tell Barack Obama.

There are aliens.

And they didn't tell Barack Obama.

Or there are aliens.

And they did tell Barack Obama, but they didn't tell Donald Trump.

Yeah.

Donald Trump would not have been able to keep a secret.

Yeah.

I actually, it wasn't until he put out the clarifying statement.

That I was convinced in my bones that there are aliens.

And Barack Obama knows about them when I'll be present.

Of all the things to clarify.

Have you ever in a decade seen him clarify something like this?

I know exactly what happened here.

He went from having an entire White House comms office to one guy who was like,

I'm so sick of dealing with the incoming calls on this shit.

Let's just get an Instagram up and like to do it.

Boom, boom, boom.

Spokesman for the deep state.

Tommy Vittor.

It was a fast clarification.

Yeah.

When I said, 24 hours out of that interview.

When I said yes, what I actually meant was I actually read something about Fermi's paradox.

Anyway, Obama also had some thoughts on the more earthly challenges that we're facing.

Particularly what the Democratic Party is facing.

And he talked a lot about that in this interview.

At some point, you age out.

You're not connected directly to the immediate struggles that folks are going through.

Democrats do well when we have candidates who are plugged into the moment.

To the zeitgeist, to the times.

And the particular struggles that folks are thinking about as they look towards the future

rather than look backward toward the past.

Voters are not going to agree with us 100% on everything.

And so it is not a sellout.

It's not a betrayal to say that we're going to shape our agenda and our message in a way

that allows us to build a working majority to get stuff done.

And I think particularly around social issues, sometimes we get confused around this.

Our long-term goals have to be driven by our values and our core beliefs and our ethics and our morals

in the sense that every person counts.

And short-term, we got to win elections.

They're doing such crazy stuff that it shouldn't be hard for our side to coalesce

around the areas where we agree on and focus on that.

That is going to happen if we are effective in winning the midterms,

if we then have a robust primary for who's going to be the next Democratic president,

we shouldn't be afraid of having a robust debate.

So...

Dan, at the beginning there, he was talking about Democrats needing younger candidates.

And he said he didn't have a hard and fast rule, but that perhaps the party should look to younger candidates.

Perhaps.

He was trying to be...

He was trying to be as polite as possible there, but that's what he was saying.

What did you think about his answer there?

Well, it's obviously true, right?

I mean, there is...

You can trace almost all of the problems the Democratic Party and frankly the country have had

over the last decade by the fact that the Democratic Party has been led by establishment of politicians in their 70s.

Right?

That's just...

And that comes in two forms.

One...

Three forms, actually.

The first one about what makes this really important point, which is the longer you've been in politics,

the more detached you are from the everyday struggles of people.

Obama used to tell us in 2008 that if he had lost that election, he would not really be able to run again four years later,

because he would have been so removed from what...

Like, gave him real power was that he and Michelle had just finished paying off their student loans at that point.

He would have only been a couple of years earlier, they were struggling to make their mortgage.

Like, he knew what it was like to struggle.

And if you've been in politics for 20, 30, 40, 50 years, you just don't know that, right?

Second, you...

You know, we tell you all the time that politics is downstream from culture.

And that's kind of a trade saying, but it is true in that you need candidates who can...

Who are connected to the cultural zikis who can understand, who can relate to people, who can communicate about things other than just policy issues that relate to people.

Obama was great at that.

Our last couple of nominees have not been great at that.

And then the third thing is, you need someone, a younger person is inherently going to be better at communicating in the modern way, right?

Someone who knows how to communicate and how people communicate now, right?

Two, they understand TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, they understand memes.

They just can do it in a way that if you've been in politics for 30, 40 years, you cannot.

Joe Biden did understand one single bit of how people communicated now, and that was a huge touch of it.

Now, I think there's one important here, which is, young people are more likely to do those things.

There's certainly more likely to be cultural connected to be maybe even cool, but it's not a guarantee that all younger people are.

JD Vance is very young, and he is a fucking goober.

Good point.

Yeah.

It is though, it is a function of not just age, but the amount of time you've been in Washington.

I do think that is a really good point, because when you spend your life in Congress, or you spend your life in Washington,

you just have a different lifestyle than most people in the country.

And even if you got there knowing exactly how people in your district or where you're from are living,

you just lose touch with that after a while, and you see that with people in Congress.

That's the one exception.

Well, I've said this because of Bernie actually, right?

Because Bernie's lifestyle, when he goes back to Vermont, is very much the same.

He's still very much connected with the life that he had before, right?

And so I don't think it's impossible to be in public service for a long time, and lose touch completely,

but you still have to work at it.

And I think Bernie proves the exception to the rule right there.

Love it. Do you agree with the Dugurth Obama on the value of the interparty fighting and the robust debate, as he said?

Yes. It is absolutely true that I think the Democratic Party that emerged from the primaries in 2007-2008 was a stronger Democratic Party.

I think both the party writ large and also the Obama campaign benefited from the fact that Barack Obama campaigned across the country,

including through a lot of swing states and built a big organization.

I do think, first of all, the differences in policy between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were much smaller, especially in domestic policy.

They just were. But at the same time, those debates got pretty fucking messy at the end.

And party had to be stitched back together. Everybody did that. That worked. That's great.

I think we have to have be honest about the ways in which interparty fights play out now, and they are just, they can be really, really cutting, really innovating.

And that's okay. I just don't want to pretend that that's not the situation.

And so to me, okay, that's what social media will do. We can say that's not real life, but it becomes real life.

What is a politician to address that? And I think it becomes incumbent on anyone who's going to be part of a Democratic primary in 2028 and 2027, obviously, to beginning middle and end,

be talking about the fact that at the end of this process, we will be stitching this movement together that we're all on the same side.

And I think we have to over-correct for that in a certain way. And I actually think that often becomes a cudgel used to go after the left to say like, you need to unify, you need to unify, you need to unify, you need to unify.

I think they do. And I think that's a fine argument to make. But at the same time, I think more central left politicians should become more comfortable speaking with talking to parts of the party that are not going to be part of their coalition and maybe kind of hostile to them.

But even if they get hostility toward them, speak about them as if they're part of their coalition and that their voices matter and our value.

That has to be kind of over-correction that people do because I am worried about what happens in a kind of brutal, long primary in which everyone is extremely anxious, extremely upset about what's happening to the country, extremely worried about our ability to win.

And so that to me is part of what the leader of the party will have to do.

I mean, I worry about it from the other side too, from the left.

Yeah, well, because it's different arguments, right? The center left, if it's a center left politician, and they will say like, oh well, the left, the left of politician, the more progressive politician can't win.

This is hopeless now. Why are we nominating this person? This is bad. We're going to lose. They're not electable. And so they have to think about that.

They have to get this person to sell out. They're no better than the Republican candidate. So it goes both ways.

I am confident. It is not the elected leaders on the left that are making those arguments.

No, that's true.

And there's nobody that fought harder for Joe Biden even, I think, a little too long, than AOC and Bernie, to their credit.

So we can't make every activist or every person do the right thing in either directions.

Plenty of people that have loud platforms that are not going to be responsible. That's just part of it.

I'm talking about what the elected leaders do, and I actually think they can do a good job of kind of at least modeling the kind of behavior we need.

In fact, I think the two elected leaders that did the best job of modeling that were Biden and Bernie in 2020.

Absolutely, absolutely.

They both did a lot of work. Tell me what do you think?

Yeah, I mean, the intro party fights are always the worst and the most vicious, and that's true for the right and the left.

And in part because you care what those critics say, like when Ben Shapiro calls me like a Tehran Tommy on Twitter, I don't give a shit because I think he's a moron and he's annoying.

But when, like, did he do that all the time?

But when people on the left criticize you, you're like, oh, that hurts. I respect those people. That kind of stings a bit.

I do, though, think like I think the biggest mistake of all is when the kind of DC class decides that they're going to annoy someone.

And I think that the reason part of the reason some of the 2016 fights feel like they will never end is one if we had won all is forgiven.

But we lost, you guys remember that.

But, too, there is a feeling that is, I don't think fully accurate, but not totally unfounded on the left, that the primary process was unfair and rigged against Bernie Sanders.

And that is let this perception linger.

So, ultimately, I think we need messy primaries. I think you can read all the polls you want, but the rubber meets the road when people vote.

And that's when we really learn what people care about and what politicians are good.

And the 2008 primary stripped a decade off our lives collectively.

But it was great for Barack Obama. It made him a better candidate. It made him a better president.

I just agree with love, it was saying like the thing we have to avoid or just call out is the suggestion that you are immoral or a bad person or it's a character attack if you disagree on policy.

That stuff is bullshit.

I agree with the contours around the debate we should have, but we should be brutally honest. The Democratic Party is in a state of crisis.

Right, we have currently have no path to this kind of governing majority. We would need to actually defeat Maga.

We have a Senate cap of 53 seats maybe.

In 2032, the Electoral College is going to move 15 to 20 votes in the Republican direction.

Like our current Electoral Coalition, even if it is improved since Trump lost, it's not sufficient to actually build a governing majority.

We have to have a giant debate our party leadership is out of touch and sclerotic and we don't have the infrastructure we need.

We have to have a big giant messy debate about who we are, what we stand for and who should be in charge of this party because if we don't, we may we literally we really could win in 2028.

Simply because Donald Trump sucks and JD Vance sucks even more, but that is a that is just what happened in 2020, which is we won one presidency.

We didn't solve any of our problems and we were right back where we were before.

So we need to think big and we're only going to think big we have a big messy primary and we are open to out of the box ideas candidates who may not seem electable right away.

We just have to like have a lot of humility and openness to a real messy important debate.

Yeah, I agree with that, but a messy debate is we can't have the future you want without a messy debate, but a messy debate is no guarantee that people show up to the table with what we need.

That's right. And so that like to me. Yeah.

Well, I think Obama's point there that I found very important is when he said we have to realize that, you know, not 100% of voters are going to agree with everything we say, which seems like an obvious point.

But I think that wherever you stand in the Democratic Party from your vantage point, you think that like, oh yeah, my position is actually the position that is most popular in the party and that can carry the whole party.

And it's just and the other politicians don't actually realize that because they're at fault and the truth is like it's a very demographically politically diverse coalition.

And it has become more demographically and politically diverse partly because it has to be so broad to be Donald Trump's coalition right now.

Like we are just a much more diverse coalition than Donald Trump's coalition politically identity wise geographically all of it.

And so because of that, there's going to be a lot more argument, a lot more, a lot of different positions and whether you're on the left, whether you're on the center left, wherever you are, you're just going to have to realize that like most people in the party aren't necessarily going to agree with all your positions.

And that doesn't mean to like sand down all your positions so that you can be like the lowest common denominator politician and like have everyone agree with you.

But it does mean that like, you know, you have to realize that you're not going to please everyone all the time and you're going to take some positions that piss people off.

I mean, you're 100% right. We have like we have to recognize that we need to we need to build a majority and we have to we have to appeal to people who just grow with lots of things.

My just like operating principle going into this primary is I want to think bigger than just who can win in 2028 because I think if all we do is win in 2028 and then lose after that, we are fucked.

And so you really have to think big about who is the can do who has the potential to change the electoral coalition in the way that Obama did in 2008.

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Over the next year we have to focus on winning our midterm elections. We can't get sucked into the horse race for an election that is two full years from now is what we normally say.

But not tonight. And so in this hat we have the names of many of 2028's rumored hopefuls and hopeless.

We will each choose a candidate and we will each make our case for that candidate and then we will do it out at the we are this is real we are choosing at random and we will fight for our candidate.

At the end you will vote on who you believe should be the nominee from this field. Okay, in a segment we're calling playing the field.

And also for everyone listening at home for everyone who clips this we are playing a game.

We are each playing our role for our candidate. These are called straw man arguments. It does not reflect what each of us actually believe about the candidates.

We're just making arguments. I swear to fucking God.

And so I will start and my candidate is JB Pritzker.

My candidate is people to judge.

My candidate is Rama manual cheer for me.

My candidate is AOC. Wow. Okay.

All right, we're going to try to take it away for 30 seconds.

Okay, I think the case for JB Pritzker is that he is an incredibly successful governor of one of the largest states in the country.

He has been one of the loudest fiercest voices against Donald Trump so he knows how to fight but he also knows how to govern.

He has raised the minimum wage in Illinois. He has also reduced the budget deficit in Illinois.

He's passed criminal justice reform. He's protected abortion rights.

And so on issue after issue he has shown that you can actually govern and progressively if you have the opportunity he has executive experience.

He also has he is very, very rich which means that he can fund this campaign and he's not going to be beholden to corporate special interests which is pretty good.

So he's not and we've had a we just you know he class traders for some of the most committed committed converts.

And so I think JB Pritzker the reason that he's been getting so much attention is because he's out there.

He is not afraid to fight Donald Trump. He's not afraid to punch Republicans in the face.

And he also has shown in his state that he can protect the people of Illinois from authoritarian like Donald Trump.

And that he can also govern in a progressive way that actually has improved people's lives in Illinois.

People to judge.

Two things I think we all would I think agree about people to judge one.

No one has done a better job taking the argument to conservative spaces than people to judge.

We just we just went through an election where some of the most important conversations were not five minutes or seven minutes but they were hour long hour and a half long conversations.

People who have not just a sound bite but have the ability to actually make a deep and well thought out arguments that can appeal to people beyond our base.

We know that he can do that that brings my second reason why do we know that he can do that because I think we all instinctively view people to judge as the smartest one of the smartest people in democratic politics.

If there's anybody now do I think people to judge right now has all the answers for how Democrats win in places we haven't won since Ben Nelson left his his seat in Nebraska.

No, I don't think people to judge has all the answers but do I think people to judge is has the same concern that Dan has and is thinking about it when he's lying awake at night next to a sweet and sleeping chest in.

I do I do think I think he does completely aware of this challenge and is thinking about it and I think knowing that we have a president that is has the capacity to think about these long term challenges and how to address them and has how to connect it to the policy and the politics of the moment would be quite a reassuring thing for us to have.

Rahm Emanuel is the most qualified candidate in the field by far he was White House Chief of Staff he was a member of Congress he was the mayor of a city of 2.75 million people he was the U.S. Ambassador to Japan the man is ready to do the job on day one.

He has seen the nuclear codes have you guys seen the nuclear codes no none of these clowns have seen the nuclear codes also he's a winner in 2006 Rahm Emanuel led the D triple C Democrats 130 seats Bill Clinton won the presidency two times Rahm Emanuel was intellectual firepower behind those campaigns on top of that he's a fighter he's tough.

People always say oh the Democrats are too nice not my wrong not my wrong that's why we need him on that ticket.

How do you guys feel about AOC now here's what some Washington leads are going to tell you they're going to say she can't win.

Do you know who else whatever is right. Do you know who else I said that about Barack Obama.

They said he couldn't win.

You got anything else.

Here I'm going to give you.

You know what let me make my case okay.

It just asked.

Who'd you have again I don't even remember.

Here's the thing I think the the way in which the Democratic Party can regain the majority in this country how we can return to our roots as we need a politics that is comes from the outside that is reformed and it is based on working class people and ideas.

And we need a candidate who can actually communicate in this environment who can go toe to toe with the right wing media machine and there is no better communicator and no matter messenger in the Democratic Party than AOC.

Did she have hurdles yes she absolutely does but I believe she has the talent the background she is someone who is a true outsider in American politics her time is a bartender's away which you can relate to working class people.

She can appeal the young people and Latinos the two groups who abandoned the Democrats in 2024 which is the difference between the big Obama error coalition we had back in 2012 and the ones in which we barely won in 2020 we lost in 2024.

And it is a big bet right because she is an untested candidate compared to some of these other people like Rama manual but you're goddamn right.

It is a bet I'd be willing to make is I think she is the highest ceiling of any candidate in this field the one candidate we've even talked about the possibility to truly alter American politics in a way we can defeat mega.

Now it's the question round we'll start with JB Pritzker now John JB Pritzker is a billionaire his wealth comes from the high hotel correct chain he has been wealthy his entire life from the day that he was born.

How will he relate to the struggles of working people.

I want to know which one of your candidates passed a $15 minimum wage for that affected one of the biggest states in the country and millions of people.

So Rama didn't AOC definitely hasn't and Pete I don't know if you did it in self-bend so that's a great accomplishment I'm really glad that it's weird because he's so rich but he sold it.

How is he going to campaign when he's so busy playing poker all the time all he does is play poker I have a quite that's interesting because I think John love it wants to hang out with JB Pritzker more than any other candidate is that what you said.

That is right. It's something called the beer test right who would you want to have a beer with and I believe you have chosen JB Pritzker.

And as the median American voter gay podcast host from Los Angeles California no but seriously I agree that JB Pritzker has great accomplishments but sincerely address the question of how will JB Pritzker someone who has never had to worry about money for a day in his life who's been wealthy since the day was born.

How does he how does he relate to people and their regular every question how does a billionaire relate to a country of working class Americans and get elected by those Americans I don't know how that happens.

Well I don't I don't think Trump is good right because I think he's bad is but is that because he got elected is that because he didn't pursue policies to improve the economic lives of most people which JB Pritzker has in Illinois.

Can I can ask another question. Sure. I understand you're talking points here but JB Pritzker is the governor of one of the most democratic states in the country.

Yeah. What is the evidence that he could actually go into a swing state. Yeah like the Bronx right. Well I'll make like the Bronx.

I've heard a lot of it. I guess the transportation department that was a tough one.

I guess the answer for how JB Pritzker is going to appeal to the working class is by attacking every other person on the debates.

I think we need a fighter. Don't we want a fighter. Don't we want someone who's going to hit back.

There was a there was a two term president from the same state the JB Pritzker is governor of I think his name is Barack Obama.

Many people said. Yeah the white Obama. I'm still waiting for a good no.

I got a question for Pete. Yeah. So Pete. I'm not a Pete. I am arguing for you are still ourselves tonight.

You're Pete in this we are ourselves arguing for someone. Love it on the streets. Pete in the sheets.

You were part of the you were part of the cover up of Joe Biden's mental decline won't that be a problem on the campaign trail.

So that's a pretty salacious allegation for someone that was pretty focused on making sure the planes landed and took off which they almost all did.

I was I had a lot on my plate. He had a lot on his plate. Fuck.

He was working on making sure that we had you know rail and trains going where they're supposed to go.

And and by the way look here's the thing Pete Buttigieg wasn't really like.

Wasn't there a big train crash in Ohio which he could not stop.

Right. Yeah. Look obviously most of the planes in the air and most of the trains on the rails.

Obviously in hindsight Joe Biden was very old.

Yeah. What did what did Pete say after the debate to Pete say anything about him after the debate.

He said great job boss. We have got to make sure these planes are good.

I am focus on the planes the planes are also old not again not Pete's fault but he's going to make sure they land safely.

It's weird but it's weird because getting our aging decrepit infrastructure to work as best as it could from the White House to the fucking amtrak.

Yeah. It's me though.

Yeah. I was like why was he um he was so focused on the trains but I thought you said he was one of the best communicators in the party.

It can go into all the other spaces and talk about politics but it was just didn't do that with Biden right.

So just did the planes and just remind me when did JB Pritzker turn against Joe Biden was it before the debate or long after.

Definitely before Pete.

Well Pete's in the administration and again planes trains automobiles.

Okay. Couple of questions.

So one of the things that was the downfall comma Harris was she was in the 2020 primary.

And she said on say she felt a lot of questions she said on station raise her hands for a lot of very.

So a lot of issues are quite unpopular.

Pete raises hand at every single one when Kamala.

What how worried are you how worried is Pete about having adopted all these musicians 2020 they were so effectively weaponized since Kamala Harris.

So I think it's a really important question and I beat look I think the two biggest liabilities people who did it will have is A he is connected to the Biden administration and B he was part of the 2020 primary which every hand is going up.

I do think sometimes that is taken as a the fact that that was such a liability for Kamala Harris that she could not address it is therefore a liability others cannot address Kamala had a bigger problem which was she was unable to be honest to articulate a deeper world view.

And she struggled with that in her hundred seven days I think she would have continued to struggle with that yes people have to address that but I think.

However the tag people have for his being tiny administration which is legitimate and will be a huge problem for him.

I think we all would say that Pete Buttigieg has a kind of a larger world view that he is going to put forward he will have to address him.

I don't know that it was Bidenism I think it is a center left kind of technocratic but forward looking probably abundant style agenda and like whatever that's worth that I think that's be what he would put forward.

He will have to answer for these things that will be hard for him to do it will not be as hard for him to do.

Kamala made it look harder than I think it would be.

One area where in fairness Pete is very different from Joe Biden is that Joe Biden was very popular with black voters and experienced.

And I think you would agree that there's no winning the democratic primary at all without black voters or the White House or the White House.

I'm wondering after his first run where he didn't get almost any black votes and in the polls now down it burns 0 and 1%.

So what do you think about that?

No where to go but up John.

Here's the thing.

You ever have a jar of pickles and you can open it and you can open it and you can open it but you're loosening it.

You know and one day black votes arguments like that are why Donald Trump's running train our democracy.

You didn't run in 2020?

Rahman manual.

Blank slate fresh face.

Okay.

I have some questions for you.

Sure.

Talk to me about how you're going to talk to how was Rahman manual going to talk to the country about aggressively.

Yes.

Profanely.

About Rahman's integral role in doing the following things.

Passing NAFTA.

Passing the Clinton crime bill.

Add a China to the WTO.

Okay nerd.

I would just add to that list his being tied to police abuses.

Okay.

That has led many people to view him as sort of a fundamentally unacceptable choice for the democratic party.

It's Rahman manual not Machiavelli.

First of all, people don't like crime thus that bill.

Okay.

Second, NAFTA is half of mostly Canada and we should be nicer to them so stop being a dick.

But also chief of staff, member of Congress, ambassador to Japan.

He's ready for the job.

Here's the thing.

I mean dead serious or because I was there to say it.

He was a very effective chief of staff for Barack Obama.

He, Obama's probably most famous accomplishment is the passage of the Affordable Care Act.

Rahman famously and I was in the meeting where he did it argued that we should abandon it and take a smaller bill.

So like how is he, he can't even, what is his argument when he can't even take credit for Obama's top accomplishment?

Because what he wanted to do was march down to Wall Street, grab a banker, put them on a spit,

and roast them like a hog on C-SPAN.

But he must have them.

But he must have them and wouldn't let them do it.

Oh.

Oh wow.

Wow.

Oh, I'm sure the facts offend you.

I see.

I assume you have documentation of this.

So Rahman manual, the Tribune of the Working Class in the White House, was stymied by the Neo-Lib-Shill Barack Obama.

That's your claim?

Who believes in aliens now?

That's a possible argument we'll make.

Yeah.

Okay.

I want to say about Pete Buttigieg and Black voters.

No, keep going.

No.

What do you guys got?

So Dan, this is being recorded, you know?

Yeah, no.

Oh, I know.

I know what your single advantage is.

Yeah.

I've never seen someone so cocky pushing on an open door.

So of all these candidates, I think that the one with the highest name identification is probably yours, correct?

I would say it's probably Kamala Harris.

Of the ones that are on the stage right now?

Right.

I know, close call with Pete.

I think Pete might have hired David.

But it's close.

Okay.

And who has the worst net approval rating in the country?

Who is that?

Ramicide.

Who has the highest...

I mean, I should just question.

Who is the highest approval rating with young voters?

Oh, is just young voters voting now?

And the American election?

Well, I said they voted for us.

Oh, is here.

Oh, is...

Are Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and Michigan just young voters?

No, that's amazing.

All right.

Slow down there.

Okay, billionaire boy.

But...

Here's the thing.

Sorry, social.

Let's go ahead.

We love socialists in America.

AOC has a high hurdle to prove electability.

And I think that one of the tests of elective...

And she's going to have to carry that argument in the primaries, in the debates.

And I have great confidence that she has the communication skills to do that.

You know, everyone loves her.

Well, you're making the argument.

What would you make the argument for on electability?

How would...

That she has never...

Go ahead.

How would she win a Obama Trump voter?

No one on this stage is one...

No one on this stage right now has won a Republican state or district.

No, I'm just asking.

But I will make the point that there was a large swathing was, you know, 17-20% of people

who voted for Donald Trump and AOC in her last election.

Let me ask you.

And there's a higher percentage of people, I would say, in her district who voted for Obama

and Trump than for JB Prisker and Trump.

Listen.

When's the last time a progressive has ever won a purple district?

Can you name a progressive that a leftist who's ever won a purple district anywhere?

Bernie Sanders?

Which one is that?

What do you mean by that?

In a general election.

When is the last time a lefty DSA progressive politician has won a purple state?

There is no...

Or a district.

There is no question that the AOC's relationship with DSA is something she's not going to navigate this.

There's no question about that.

And the way you do that is you prove it.

In 2008, everyone said, when could a black politician win a majority white state?

And Barack Obama won Iowa and he proved people they could do it.

The only way that AOC can win the nominations, she has to go.

Whatever the first state is, which is going to most likely be like a Michigan or a Georgia or New Hampshire,

whatever it is, you just have to go in and win it.

If Ramanuel went to the Munich Security Conference and got asked about Taiwan, he would.

Hit that over, the chucker, is that a thing in cricket?

No.

Something else.

He would knock it out of the park.

There's no question.

What I'm saying is that people should believe this people should go with their hearts.

But no, John, it's your point though.

I agree that right now, we would say it's an uphill climb for someone on the left as AOC to win a national race.

But you would say that she would be a good president, right?

Are you now just arguing for AOC so the fucking audience can.

No, no, no, no.

I'm saying that this is the problem, right?

But if what we're talking about is electability, electability is not a...

is electability can't simply be a snapshot of how people view politicians before the primary.

Like the bill is sitting right here.

No, for sure.

Ramanuel.

But like, you would have to then be saying not only is she seen as someone who is divisive or to the left in a way that's not appealing to enough people,

but that she does not have the capacity to change that.

And like, don't we think, like, if we are going...

If things are as dire as Dan is saying in our politics, wouldn't it be worth it to take a chance on the possibility

that we can reshape our politics around someone that we all would view as somebody who has...

I guess, I guess...

Kind of politics.

Here's the thing I'll say.

There's no question it's a big risk.

There's no one on the stage who's not a big risk, right?

Come on.

We're stopping Buttigieg.

It's too big a risk.

For sure.

He's a ramen man, you know, whatever.

I agree that Ramanuel would be a pretty big fucking risk.

J.B. Pritzker is an contestant of our position.

There's never one Republican voters.

What I believe is that the way the Democrats have to move is we need a politics based on working class people,

working class ideas.

Yeah.

And the person in the Democratic Party on this list, in this hat, best able to do that is AOC.

Based on...

Based on the fact that...

Based on what?

Based on the fact that she has done it.

Where?

She...

Where?

Barack Obama won Illinois and then he won the country.

Do you think Barack Obama's positions when he ran were to the left or to the right of AOCs right now?

Well, I think everyone is the politics of change, but he was the most left candidate in that field and he won.

Because of his position on the Iraq war, right?

What else?

He was more liberal on the biggest issue of the time.

And he mocked.

Yeah.

And he did mock.

He was good looking.

And she mocked too.

And I would love to get a beer with J.B. Pritzker.

And I think Pete's brilliant.

All right.

From this...

This is the final debate stage.

Based on the arguments.

Based on the arguments you have heard tonight.

Are you voting for J.B. Pritzker?

No.

Are you voting for Sweet Pete Buttigieg?

Are you voting for...

...Roma Manual?

Wow!

Pretty good.

And...

That was it, right?

And...

AOC.

Wow.

Too close to call.

The swing district of Sydney.

We're gonna...

Listen, let's see how she does in Brisbane.

Honestly, she did pretty well.

And that's playing the field.

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