2818: Beyond the Scale: Rethinking Metrics for Fitness Success

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Do you weigh yourself often?

Congratulations. You're totally sabotaging yourself.

That's a bold statement right there.

Sabotage.

Yeah, you know, it depends, right?

It depends on who we're talking about because I weigh myself, right?

So am I sabotaging myself right now because I'm weighing myself?

Or is it most people that do that end up sabotaging themselves?

I can't get behind that.

There's a self-selection bias.

If you weigh yourself daily, you're probably the one that's sabotaging yourself.

If you're constantly checking the scale,

if you're obsessed with the scale, for sure.

That's right.

Even if you're not right, what do you think

are the percentage of people that can read that data

as simple as we make it sound and interpret it correctly?

That's what makes a really good argument for your point.

Yes.

Maybe you're not even obsessed with the scale,

but you regularly weigh yourself.

You have to ask yourself,

are you even informed enough or understand what you're actually reading?

Disturne, like, what kind of muscle ratio versus fat?

Like, you consist of versus water.

Right.

Right.

Yeah.

I would even reward it like this and say,

does what the scale say dictate your mood and how you feel for the rest of the day?

Yeah.

Well, that to me is you're winning your losing.

That to me is a clear indicator that you're not qualified.

That's right.

To interpret that data.

That's right.

Because it shouldn't, like, because again, I weigh myself daily.

It's feedback and it's like, oh, interesting.

This might be going on.

And then I also, I'm going to wear a crusher feeling.

No, no, no.

It doesn't make me go like, oh, my God, I'm so sad.

Oh, I'm going the wrong way.

Freak out.

Like, it's just like, oh, interesting.

This could be going on.

This might be like, it's a lot.

So I bet your ride.

I bet a large percentage of people that do use the scale and get on it.

But what it says, and this is a great exercise for anybody who's listening right now who

just may disagree with this, the or statement, is pretend it's 10 pounds up or 10 pounds

down.

Does that change your emotional state?

And if it were, we're not even telling you what that 10 pounds is.

That's right.

That's the same.

Just 10 pounds up, say, say, pretend you got on there today and it was 10 pounds higher

than you expected or 10 pounds less than you expected.

And does that change your, your emotional state?

And if the answer, if you can be honest with yourself and you would say, oh, my God,

yeah, that would make me either really happy or, yeah, that would make me really frustrated.

Then that says you probably shouldn't be doing it.

I have, I have two great stories around this and then I'll talk about myself because this

is, you know, this is, was a constant struggle for me and it can still be even now so many

years later.

But I remember the first time this really struck me, I was a relatively new trainer and

I had this woman that I trained and at this point, I had become privy to the fact

that frequent weighing would often get in the way.

Okay.

And what I mean by that is, if I had a client and we're building muscle and this person's

interested in losing weight or body fat, you know, God forbid the scale go up a pound.

Like it would just so hard, you'd have to deal with that with the client.

There's lots of conversations and talking around it, essentially talking them off the

ledge type of deal.

So I had this, at this point, I had kind of seen this and I had this woman, she wanted

to lose weight.

I don't remember how much it was and I was like, probably 15 pounds and like that.

And I had convinced her to not weigh herself with this big conversation.

She's like, okay, I won't do it.

So I'm training her and she's getting stronger and she's getting visibly leaner.

What I mean by that is like, there was more definition, more definition of arms, her lower

body was shaping.

And then she was coming to me and she was telling me all the compliments and comments she

was getting from work and from her husband.

So she'd come in.

So this was over like a three month period of time.

She'd come in and be like, oh, another person I haven't seen in a long time came up to

me and said, oh my God, you've lost so much weight.

She's like, this is like the third person.

So people come up to and say, oh my God, how much weight have you lost?

And she'd say, well, I don't know.

I'm not allowed to weigh myself type of deal.

And so this is this kept happening.

Her husband was like, oh my God, you look amazing.

You look so good.

People worker co-workers would compliment on how much weight she was losing.

Meanwhile, she's getting stronger and I'm seeing more definition.

Well, anyway, we finally hop on the scale a few months later and the scale had barely

budged.

I think it went down like a pound or two.

She was devastated, totally devastated, crushed.

This isn't working.

This is the bandage ship.

Yes.

And I remember, like, I mean, we had to sit down and I went, I said, now with her I said,

there's strength went up, you know, 30 pounds here, 15 pounds there.

Everybody's not saying to you, you look different.

They're saying to you, oh my God, how did you lose so much weight?

Your husband's saying it, you've been commenting on this.

And so you do realize you've lost body fat and built muscle, which means you're smaller

and more defined.

But at that point, it had crushed her and there was like this long period after that.

That number.

She really got it.

I had to rebuild trust.

And rebuild her trust in the process because of that.

And then on the other hand, I have another story of a client who had gotten really sick.

They got really sick and came in after a while, like they got really sick came in.

And I remember they came in.

They were depleted.

You could tell they were really sick.

They probably lost muscle.

It was like one of those illnesses where it was like, you know, throwing up the whole

deal.

Yeah.

And then fever.

Okay.

She came in, gets on the scale and she's like, oh, well, at least I lost 10 pounds.

This is great.

And like she was happy about it, even though like you obviously just got over a major illness

was like four weeks long.

And so these are great examples of how this could really mess you up.

And if you're the kind of person that weighs yourself daily, this is dictating your joy.

And it's also dictating what you do in the gym and with your diet to the point where

it's moving you in the wrong direction.

Now I'll speak to myself as a kid.

I just want to get big and that could still struggle with this as a as a grown man.

But definitely as a kid, as a kid, it was like the scale was everything.

If I went up, I don't care what I gained, I just want to gain weight on the scale.

And I would actually go veer towards inflammatory foods because they'd make me hold water.

Like pizza was great because I gained a few pounds on the scale and I'd never weigh myself

in the morning because I knew I'd be heaviest at night and I'd weigh myself after a heavy

meal.

And even though I know logically that was like dumb, it was totally moving me in this terrible

direction.

So if you're looking at the scale constantly and weighing yourself daily, you're sabotaging

yourself.

You're far better metrics to measure like strength, energy, your overall performance and

fitness, your digestion, your sleep.

You could use body fat tests, even though, but those can get also carried away.

But that's a better measurement.

The scale just tells you total mass, tells you nothing about body composition.

It doesn't say water retention or not or dehydrate or not.

It's just the literally is just a number, everybody, without any further investigation

understanding, I think weighing yourself daily for most people, you're totally sabotaging

yourself.

It's funny because in most people, it's for a look anyways.

And like you're pointing earlier of like everybody's giving positive feedback and receiving

that.

And to be hung up on just the number of the scale, like this is, I've had many clients

that that was the main determiner and they come in and they just had to lose the weight.

And to lose the weight by any means necessary, feel fatigued, but they're still happy about

it because they got to that result.

It's just, it doesn't make any sense to me.

I mean, of all three of us, I'm for sure the guy that probably tracks these types of metrics.

The most and more regularly than everybody, right?

Everything from the scale to Dexascans to my, or this was what you just was your game.

Right, right.

And even before that, I've always been fascinated with that data.

I still love that data.

Like right now I'm tracking sleep a lot like I pay attention all stuff.

But I think the problem with the scale is in its simplicity that we, we make it seem

so simple yet it's probably one of the more sophisticated pieces of data that you could

get, meaning like how difficult it is to interpret what it's giving you, like it's not,

like body fat test is actually really clear what moved it.

Like if you go take a body fat test, say you've been following a plan for two months,

you get a body fat test.

There's your body composition.

Yeah.

It's pretty clear.

There's still cases where that can definitely mislead you.

In example, I gave was recently with what we had been going through with Corinne.

Like it didn't give a great result back for us, but it's still the direction I want

to go.

And I want to take her.

And so some people can misinterpret even that.

But for the most part, it's a pretty good indicator and it's pretty clear, right?

Like, oh, look, I gain fat or I lost fat.

I gain muscle.

That's right.

I'm moving in the right direction or not moving at all, whatever the case may be.

But the scale is is actually much harder to interpret.

Very, very difficult.

And even for somebody who's been doing this for a very long time and is tracking all

these other metrics, I mean, I'll get on the scale and I'll still go, hmm, it's not

like, oh, I definitely, this is happening.

I'm going, okay, I'm recounting, well, I've been doing this, I've been doing that.

This could be going on right now.

This could be like, I even question that.

And yet we, so many people take that data and go, oh, and they write away go to a conclusion.

It's like, that's crazy.

As much as I track and as much as I'm really good at all these things, when I look at

the scale weight of all the things that I track, it's the least clear answer for me.

It's, I, I still go like, hmm, it could be these things.

I might be doing this.

Maybe I'll try this one variable.

Like, I definitely do not allow it to go like, oh, no, I'm off the rails or, oh, no, this

is, or yeah, this is pert, it's like, that's so vague of all the metrics that we can

use.

You know, it's the most vague.

You know, it's wild about metrics.

Very objective.

I know this is true for you guys, I guarantee you, and I guarantee it's true for all, most

really experienced trainers, except for the context of, let's say, where you're training

competitors, right?

These are people who are getting on stage and that's different.

But the average person, early days trainer or early days trainer me, I used to, I used

to do body fat tests and scale measurements, relatively frequently my clients and I tested

it every two weeks.

Yeah.

Often, every two weeks I'm testing them, I'm testing a body composition and I'm looking

at body fat percentage gain muscle, lose muscle, gain body fat, body fat, later version

of myself, I almost did no metrics ever, and I bet you that's true for you guys.

Well, yeah, remember, I admitted, I failed Corinne on this journey that we just went on

and we waited still six to eight weeks, I can't remember what it was between tests and

it was still too early.

Yeah.

You know, because I know, I know we're on the right path.

Exactly.

I know we're on the right path of what we're doing.

Too much information for a client.

Yeah.

Often.

So, yeah, I used to just like, I would take all those metrics at the very beginning and

so I would try and like get as much data as possible on the client and then I would just

store it away.

And then we would literally only revisit it when they felt like they made immense progress

in their pomp.

Yeah.

Like, well, let's see kind of where we, we landed, you know, and let's look at this.

That, you know, such a, so it was so funny too.

I was like, I was actually trying to figure out how can I do this when I went to get her

test or when she went to go to your test because she goes and does it.

And it's all at her data system, her email and everything.

But in a perfect world, I only get it.

She doesn't get it.

Like all you would say to her is we're moving in the right direction.

Yes.

I would like literally, I wouldn't report back to her what is being, what is being read

by the, the test because I am very confident in what I'm doing.

Like, we've done this enough time.

Take time.

mental burden.

I was aware of what was the potential where we need to be.

And even she knows logically, I would have protected her from the mental games that it

plays.

If I, if I could have, and I should have like figured out a way, like, you know what?

Let's, I should have said that from day one was like, you know what?

Let's have your test email just to me.

And I'll interpret the data.

I don't want you to say that.

I'll change your trainer.

Yeah.

I should have done that.

And so I look back now at like this was a mistake is coach Adam on this part.

I should have done that because then she'd still be, she's seen all, she's seen PR's

damn near every other week.

People are complimenting every, you know what I'm saying?

But then the data comes back and it's not, yeah, ideal, right?

Or doesn't say this.

But you know you're moving the right direction.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I know.

It's funny.

I used to ask, it's typically female clients that ask them to just kind of prove a point

and say, okay, let's say, let's say your weight on the scale never changed.

Let's say you, you're still going to weigh whatever 160 pounds, whatever it is.

But I got you to lose 10% body fat.

So you gained muscle.

But the weights is the same on the scale.

You know what they used to say to me?

I don't care.

I just want to get smaller.

I know.

I know.

You do realize you'd be smaller, right?

Yeah, but I just want to be like, oh, you, and then I do the famous, like we want me to

cut your leg off.

You lose weight on the scale.

Yeah.

Well, that make it happy.

It just kind of illustrate the silliness of the whole thing.

Yeah.

And it does.

It really does mess people up.

This is my performance.

So, so you may be hearing this and thinking, oh, what?

You didn't track anything for your clients.

No, no, no, I used to look at their energy, their strength, their performance, their pain.

I could tell if they were gaining a lot of body fat, I could tell.

And so then that would adjust my training.

But performance is a far better metric.

It's not perfect, but it's better.

Drives them to better habits.

Yeah.

Listen, if you dramatically increase your fitness, the side effect of that is you're probably

going to get leaner and build muscle, probably, health wise, your way better.

And quality of life wise, your way better performance is actually a better, if I had to

pick any metrics that I could only ever use, they'd be performance based for the most

part.

And I would say the second worst metric and most commonly used is the mirror.

Yeah, oh, yeah.

Because that can be so deceiving.

Oh, my God.

Awesome.

Oh, God.

And so subjective.

That really was highlighted personally for me.

I mean, I, I, I pieced that together later in my career as a trainer, but the, the, because

I had to become so hyper focused on it in the bodybuilding world, and it was now become

like part of like my job, I'm, I'm totally looking at all these things.

I realize, wow, how much that can fluctuate and change within 24 to 48 hours.

And also give you a feedback of, oh, my God, this doesn't look right.

But you, I know because I was tracking so detailed, that was my favorite part of the

whole experience of competing aside from manipulating myself was the coaching level up I got

from it was, oh, wow.

If I know for a fact what's going on based off of all the macros things I'm doing, that

I know I'm doing the right things, but then I look, I'm looking in the mirror right now,

and I don't like what I see compared to what I saw just two days ago.

Oh, this is crazy.

Like this is totally what my clients have felt and expressed to me so many times before

when they're like, I know, I know, I look this way and they're like, it's like, how do

you, how do you argue that?

I had a client once.

It's like one of those breakthrough moments as a trainer and then I would use this as

an example later.

But I had a client who was in her late 30s, it's like 38, 39, and she said, this is what

I want to look like.

And she brought a picture of herself when she was in her mid 20s.

She was like at the beach.

She was like, this is what I want to look like.

So I looked at it.

And of course, she was younger, more fit, the whole deal.

And I said, how did you feel about the way you looked when you were 25 and she's like, wow,

she goes, wow, let me think about that.

She goes, yeah, I wasn't happy with myself.

Isn't that interesting?

I said, I think the way you feel about yourself is largely subjective.

It really dawned on her like, yeah, when I was in my mid 20s, even though I looked like

that, I was so insecure about the way I looked.

How do you ask me then?

I would have been like, oh no, I got too much flap here.

I don't look good there.

And whatever.

And studying yourself in the mirror, you're setting yourself up for terrible failure.

Oh, yeah.

Well, and like you said, I mean, before we're on the podcast today, I was talking to you,

opening it.

Man, I can tell right now I have systemic inflammation right now going on.

And my diet's dialed right now.

And so there's a couple of things I know for sure that happens with it.

I'm puffier, for sure.

So I hold, I'm holding water all over the body, which in the reflection of the mirror looks

like body fat.

It looks like body fat.

It also reflects on the scale, holds an extra two to four pounds for me on the scale.

Yet I know I'm like dialed nutritionally.

And so it's more like, oh, what else is going on in my life that's causing this inflammation?

I can feel it.

I can see it.

I know it's really easy for me.

My aura ring the way it slides on and off.

I'm like, I know when I'm holding extra water.

And yet I know it's not a problem with my training and my diet.

And so that's where this would throw a client way off.

And I get it because objectively, you look, you say subject, your image is subjective.

And there is a subjective part, but there's a very objective part of it.

I'm for sure fluffier, like there's no, it's very clear.

So it makes it extra hard because there's a subjective element to it.

And then there's actually a true objective element to it that, yeah, you can easily be

holding an extra two or four pounds of water for a period of a couple of days because

you ate something, you had extra stress, you had a really rough night or two of sleep,

you overtrained, you've got a small injury like that, which is probably what my case is

right now.

Like, there's a lot of, there's a whole host of things that could have happened that it

does not reflect.

You're not dieting right and you're not training.

Right.

I just had this conversation with my wife because she was taking creatine and she's like,

I stopped taking it.

So why?

Because I just feel bigger.

I'm like, you know what's happening with creatine, like it's your muscles.

She's like, I know, but in the muscles.

And she knows, she knows we're having this conversation about this and she used to be

a trainer.

She's still, it'll just mess with your head and creatine doesn't make you hold water in

a way that looks like blow and makes your muscles fuller.

If anything, it makes you look more sculpted and you will go up a couple of pounds on the

scale from it because you're more hydrated.

But people are like, this is why creatine has been hard to sell the women for so long

by the way.

Although more women are using it now because I think they're getting, they're finally

fearing it out.

But initially, this is why you had this whole category of creatine supplements that were,

that creatine for women, no blow because women would take creatine.

Their muscles will feel fuller, but to them, they're floating in your mouth, yeah.

Well, a lot of people don't know how to discern the difference between the two.

They look and feel totally different.

Like, so what I have right now, systemic inflammation looks different than water retention

from in the muscle.

In the muscle.

Yeah.

It's very, very different.

Yeah.

One looks like sculpted tone and shape.

Yeah.

It one looks like water around everything.

Yeah.

Totally.

Totally different.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So we've been getting message.

I want to cover something because we've been getting some messages from people who've been

using dose, the liver support supplement they have and they're reporting back like energy,

like energy boost.

Like I have way more energy.

It's like, what's in it that's giving me more energy?

So what I did is I pulled up common symptoms of, you know, I looked up elevated liver enzymes

or let's just say your liver is being a little bit too stressed.

Okay.

And by the way, there are supplements out there that will say that they'll help with

liver health, but very few of them actually have clinical data.

This actually has real studies on their product and it's shown in majority of people have

an improvement in liver function.

So you'll see this in the data.

So if you go get your blood tests, you'll see an improvement.

Most people see an improvement in their liver enzyme markers.

But here are some of the symptoms, some of the common symptoms that your liver enzymes

are a bit elevated, loss of appetite, itchy skin.

This is one where you kind of feel itchy skin, fatigue and bloat.

And so people are reporting back and they're like, is this an energy supplement?

I'm like, well, if you needed it, it's an energy supplement.

You'll feel better from that.

Interesting.

Yeah.

What are the different flavors they have done?

Do you know what they are?

I have to look it up.

I know they have a few of them, right?

Yeah.

Well, the products, I don't think they're different flavors of each product.

I think it's like liver.

The one is for liver and it's a specific, because you drink what two ounces of it?

Yeah.

I remember I thought you had a drink, the whole bottle.

Thank God.

You're ahead.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Don't do that.

No, it's like two ounces of it.

Yeah.

The bottle less of a little while.

That's a pretty common one, though.

You have the blood markers back, right?

Yeah.

You'll see a little bit of elevated liver enzymes.

Especially if you had a hard workout.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Really hard workout or elevated CK levels.

You have a lot of muscle mass.

And doctors who are not familiar with athletes.

Yeah.

I've had people come back and be like, my doctor said.

That's how I always do it.

Can you please tell my liver out?

That's how you always know when you got a good doctor

who's like strength trains and understands that,

is they'll normally, when they go over their blood,

they'll say, oh, this is a little elevated,

but I can tell you lift weights.

And so that's probably a little bit from there.

Exactly.

Or at least one of them.

Because I've had both sides.

I've had someone who's like, hey, this is a little hot.

And I'm like, really?

Is that a problem?

What do you got done?

So I mean, there's just one flavor for each.

Okay.

That's the liver one that, and it tastes like,

kind of tastes like carrot juice almost.

I think it's a combination of a variety of different juices.

There's some ginger in it, some orange, I believe.

They have another product too.

Turmeric.

Oh, yeah.

They have obviously the cholesterol.

They have one for cholesterol too.

Yeah.

They have one for skin.

And now what?

I didn't even share this before about their product,

which is cool.

Is that they have like really good test and stuff

where people have actually done blood work.

That's right.

Taking just that and then done that.

Actual studies.

Yeah, that's cool.

Which is great.

Because supplements typically don't come with studies.

Right.

Especially something like that.

No.

All right.

I got a new thing that's going on in the world.

That is interesting.

There's a new category of, I don't know what you would call it,

Identity.

So do you guys know what Therians are?

Justin probably knows.

I've heard this.

What's the Therians?

Therians from the first year.

Doug, look up Therians.

Sounds very stark.

Therians.

Yeah.

These, I'll pull up the article, dude.

So.

I know.

Is this like a little brick away?

Oh, wow.

Look at these guys.

Yeah, dude.

So.

They're kind of like furries, but different, huh?

So Therians are people who...

Look, there's even a thing that says,

How do you know the difference between a Therian and a furry?

No.

So a Therian is someone who identifies psychologically,

so mentally, physically, spiritually,

with a non-human entity or an animal.

So these are people actually identify.

That's not either one.

Yeah.

So this is like, I am a dog.

That's how I identify.

And they'll walk on all fours.

So we just, we don't call these people crazy anymore.

Yeah.

I mean, probably had no trauma or anything growing up.

That's sad, dude.

I mean, you know what this...

You know, I was thinking...

Why can't...

Why is that so taboo to talk about that, by the way?

I don't know why, dude.

Because the percentage on this stuff is like ridiculous when you see it.

I think what's happening...

I'll try to keep it like secular,

because I have a different worldview now.

But I think what's happening is there's such a lack.

There's simultaneously a lack of meaning.

Yeah.

And it's combined with this idea that you create your own destiny

and you can be whatever you want.

And that combined, when you have a lack of meaning

with I can be whatever I want,

and you're like, well, I don't want to be this.

Uh-huh.

And so now I want to be this other thing,

and it feels good to be this other thing.

That's probably...

That's what I'm going to get really unique attention,

which, you know, some people are starving for.

So, you know, you're going to do weird things.

Yeah. And so they meet together.

This is actually a big phenomenon in some countries,

where you get like these groups.

They...

And they meet together.

Yeah. And so a furry is someone who likes to be in the costume,

but these people believe it.

And they're walking around like animals.

Yeah. Did you see the picture?

Let me see them get together.

Like all the time, or is this just like, you know,

when they hang out?

This is what they are.

This is what happens, too,

because of the internet.

And the fact that...

Yeah, you get more of these items.

Yeah.

There's probably only a few hundred,

or maybe a few thousand of these people in the entire world,

but they can all find each other.

Yeah.

And it looks like a movement.

It looks like some sort of a...

I feel like we've hit every category.

It was...

Well, nope.

I bet you there's more, dude.

No.

I watch that show.

I love taboo.

I love strange addictions.

Like, that's my jam, dude.

I love weird people.

Yeah.

And I feel like they've gone everywhere with it.

Yeah.

I don't know what's left.

Well, that...

But what's that thing where...

You see a group of people dancing,

and then you'll come...

Oh, I don't know.

That study...

You know what I'm talking about?

Yeah. Yeah.

So it's...

Because of the internet, you have that.

Where these would be all over the world,

they wouldn't be able...

They wouldn't be able to collect...

Yeah, collectively get together.

So all it takes is one person

who sees this collective group,

and now goes like,

Oh, okay, I could...

You know what I'm saying?

Who's like, to your point?

Lost.

No identity.

No purpose.

And it's like,

I can relate to this person.

I like animals.

By the way, my world view is different now,

because I would have explained this like,

I guess, psychologically.

But now I have a different world view,

which is...

I guess you could...

Well, definitely you could say more biblical.

But this is really an extension of this idea

that you determine what your identity is.

And now that doesn't sound bad on the surface,

but let me just paint a picture, okay?

If my identity is a podcaster,

this is what I am.

This is my identity.

This is everything.

And then I lose my voice.

What am I now?

Or my identity is as a father,

and then my kids move out.

Yeah.

Or my identity as a construction worker,

or a singer,

or I'm an athlete,

and then I get older,

and I can't be an athlete.

Yeah, but this is all like,

based in reality.

Like, this is like fantasy land.

Well, what my point is,

yes, that's the secular cycle.

There's a big difference.

Yes.

But it's just an extension,

and it goes to crazy blocks.

Sure, but there's no feedback they're accepting.

Yeah.

There's no checks and balances

within their friend groups.

I know someone.

Everybody's leaning into the fantasy

and not like,

they just don't want to face reality.

And I think social pressure needs to be back a little bit.

Well, there needs to be quality control amongst your peers.

You know, and I mean, I'm sorry, but like,

it needs to come back with force,

because you know,

this is the reason why we have friends.

This is the reason why we have friends.

To tell you you're stupid.

Yeah.

Stuff to do is stupid shit.

You're saying like,

it's cool to play,

and you know,

you can do you,

larping,

and all that stuff,

which is great,

but like, that's for play.

Right.

This isn't like,

you're identity.

So make your fan base angry.

So,

I'm telling you,

I'm gonna do it for play.

I'm not there with you.

I'll larp with you.

He's got, he's got a huge larping business.

I'm not gonna put a lot of these ones,

but you know what I'm saying?

Somebody said this,

I'll be so anxious.

Whatever you say.

So it's a great part of it.

I got a question for you, Sal.

So a part of you,

do you,

is there no longer a part of you

that identifies as a podcaster or a father?

I think that my identity is in,

who I belong to,

which would be God.

So whatever that is,

then that's where I'll go.

And that's a very,

that feels so much more grounded and secure.

As crazy as that may sound to somebody who doesn't,

you know, have a faith like that.

I think it's very secure

because all the stuff here is fleeting.

Everything here,

now that doesn't mean I don't want to be a great dad,

or I don't want to do a good job.

Yeah, you don't think that you can,

you don't think that you can identify as a father

and also be able to disconnect.

Not make that the ultimate identity.

That's my point.

If that's your ultimate identity.

Yeah, I think that's what you have to make clear.

Yes.

I think there's,

if someone were to ask me,

I absolutely identify as a father,

as a leader,

as, you know, those things I,

I think that's not your thing that you worship.

Oh, yeah.

No, of course.

And at any time,

those things could change, right?

So I think there,

there's a part of the ability to identify as something

without like losing yourself.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because in heavily,

all that can be stripped from you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I know somebody, by the way,

who, right?

Because being a father could be stripped from me, right?

Totally.

And if that's all I identify with,

and that was,

well, even if,

and I couldn't disconnect from that.

Even if there wasn't a travesty that happened.

I mean, how many times,

probably more common from us?

Oh, super common.

When the kids move out,

that's why you see relationships

that percentage of them that,

that in a divorce.

They're lost.

Yeah.

Because they did,

they identified only as a dad or a mom or a parent.

Yeah.

And that was their whole thing.

And then all of a sudden,

the kid goes to that phase, right?

Like most kids do.

When they turn 18 to say 25,

where they actually want to disconnect from mom and dad

a little bit and go do their own thing.

And it's like, oh my god,

I'm no longer...

I know someone whose kid went to a school

who the school had to have a litter box

for a kid that identified as a,

I'm serious.

Yeah, I know.

The school literally,

this is happening in a local school here.

Maybe it's the same school.

Yeah.

So you know about this?

I have everybody.

Yeah.

You get it?

You do it.

Yeah.

This is the height of like,

we aren't the height.

We're, we're,

we're, we're,

we're definitely coming back.

You know, we're still there.

I feel like it's coming back.

We're coming back.

Yeah.

You're right.

We're coming back.

We're coming back.

And I remember,

it doesn't work.

I remember when you guys were sound in the alarms

five years ago or what I looked at.

And I'm like, dude,

this is how it works.

Pendulum swings so hard.

Distraction.

We're, we're,

we're, we're,

we're in peak stupidity.

And we're on our way back.

Yeah.

It's just, it's, and of course

we'll probably extremely swing the other way.

You know,

we'll go, yeah.

Now you have AI.

You have AI, you know,

relationship.

I just watched another clip

of this woman who's got this.

She used to be married and everything.

She had actual relationships.

Now she's like,

has this relationship with her AI boyfriend.

And she's like,

is the best relationship I've ever had.

I'm like, oh, no.

That's not real.

And I think,

I said,

I think, I think,

well, unfortunately,

they'll,

they'll, they'll,

they'll people that will worship it.

They'll be people that marry it.

There'll be people that all the things with it and then we'll run through a period probably a decade maybe two

Of that extreme side right there, but once we have enough

Thousands of idiots to do it and realize where that path ends. I think humans tend to correct and come back the other direction

I think that's I think one of the the biggest keys. I think

Somebody navigating through this world is is actually to remain. I mean, this is one of the things I love about my wife

Sometimes I think she's crazy how how disconnected she can be to some stuff and like unaware what's going on

It's pretty better, but it is she has such a healthy relationship

With it and it's just like it's all it's all noise to her

You know, it's all it's like it's in it. It's like we we focus on what we can control in our house and our child and our families

What would you actually have the most influence? That's right. It's like we do not have this influence over even millions of idiots

Doing extreme weird things and worshiping wearing things and doing like it's just and if any and and allowing it to

affect your daily emotion

Is giving up your your your power your control and what you can truly a very exciting and do sing very exciting and do sing

You know and and if you the the more you feed into it

The more it just elevates, dude. I had a good quote as Duncan Trussell

This is like perfect with like you know Katrina's mentality. It's like he says some poor

Phoneless fool is probably sitting next to a waterfall somewhere totally unaware of how angry and scared he's supposed to be

Yeah, dude. That's so Katrina. That's so true. That is that is what I thought was a brilliant quote

100% that like I need to know what's happening though in the world

Yeah, well, why what do you do? Yeah, what do you do about values at bringing? Yeah, well, I can't do anything about it exactly

Yeah, even when I try to inform her on something. She says I don't even want to hear it

Well, my wife's got yeah, my wife's out like that really so my wife's got like that too

She turns off routinely will turn off social media or her whole phone

In fact right now she's going through where she turns off her phone throughout the day and if I want to get a hold of her

There's other ways to get hold of her in fact, you know, we're doing

She ordered a phone

That you can that you can connect to your cell phone that you're turn your cell phone off or or basically break it

But if you get a call it'll go through this basic phone. Yeah, yeah

So if I want to call her she gets a call, but she doesn't pick up her normal phone with everything on it

I mean, you know

Katrina's never had any of that ever ever

Well, she's you know, she told me when my wife says to me she goes you if you think I need to know something tell me

So I'm like, all right, and you know what?

There's almost nothing that I feel like I something happens. I'm like do I need to tell her this?

Yeah, I'm gonna change anything right speaking of extremes

I've been seeing these reports of gas prices in California. Have you seen?

So is this happened? I haven't got gas yet. Is it here or is this in serious?

Yeah, I think it's increased, but like I mean

Six row where we're close to six. I heard reports of like eight. There's some places in California. What's like almost eight dollars. No way really

I know there's two days ago. That was hard to believe. I don't know if it's California for no

No, someone was do there were people were screen-shotting and I don't it might be in places like Tahoe

Might be no, we're normally the hard to the area is normally higher. Yeah, but is it Tahoe more? No remote places are normally

I thought

No, remote places are normally cheaper look up, but we're normally like one of the peak places for sure

Yeah, it's an almost five six or five. Yeah, that way more control and power on us. Yeah, we need it

Newsom is a great negotiator

You know, like he's been killing it more than half of that is not even the gas

It's a bunch of taxes. Yeah, the gas stations don't make a ton of money. No, gast it. You know, gas stations

You know the most you know gas stations don't make money on gas

They almost break even on gas. They make it on the construction on the concessions

That's how a gas station makes money. It is not on gas. Oh, yeah

So when you think like I

Own this guy's gouging me. It's like no, he's making like pennies

Yeah, you get pennies on one of our friends. He's on a shell station. They make they make it all on yes

When people come in and buy drinks and snacks and all that crap

That's which is why if you have any little notice how much those have evolved in the last decade

Yeah, like that now a lot of gas stations are like almost a little shopping center

A little grocery stores. So I found in a gas station in Mendocino. It's charging almost $10 a gallon

But that's not standard. This is just weird

That's a that's taking advantage of the marijuana market

Maybe no these drug dealers gonna go pick up the weed

Oh

I gotta I gotta shit me in a 400

They don't get me to pay cash like all yeah, I'm gonna make her court

Yeah, they got tons of cash. They're like I got to get back here with all it's so

Oh

Like the New York Times said US gasoline prices rising again hit three dollars and 48 cents a gallon. Yeah, that would be so low

That would be by the way, they're gonna start charging now for miles. You guys know that is that gonna go

I believe they passed that maybe look that up duck in California

So however many miles you drive now you're gonna pay a tax, but try to how they how do you know that you just report it?

I don't know we start turning back our odometers that we're

The

When you do the math on

The the income that is tax times the sales tax times the gas tax times the like

Your money gets taxy percent more than that dude. Yeah more than that like it's so it's a form of slavery at this point

We got

Yeah, so they don't actually have this you know implemented at this time

They're studying a road charge program. These are lawmakers by the way who are studying to replace the declining gas tax

So I don't know where oh, so they're gonna lower taxes. This is what they do like we're gonna lower taxes

We'll make it up somewhere else. Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna get it on the back

Yeah, didn't we just get a bunch of oil places

Well, but there's also but where's it going? They're also bomb here oil refineries though and all over the at least so I don't know

I don't know

So I think it's still cause good NGOs or anything you know it caused oil prices to to I actually

Is that mean it's a good time to buy

Oil is it got yeah, I mean on speculation. Yes, so on speculation oil already spiked you it would have been smart for you to buy it say two months

Go two months ago you would have made is it gonna be a good investment? Adam to buy a horse because of all this

I mean, you know on the guy who's banking on all these gas engines like

That's I'm all I'm all in on that. How do you how do you how do you tax my mileage? I mean no

Here's a thing that I like to go full-calve I'm all in on that on on on that theory that

Even if whatever we get all this gas we do all this stuff like that like they're the what they're doing on regulations

If you guys haven't paid attention to like every generation of car

Even if even if it's a company that still is making gas park car

It's like the restrictions they put on the exhaust and all like that

It's just like you have all these cars that are going going down to you know six cylinder four cylinder hybrid

Everything the high the high output ones will be collectors. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like my 68 like things like that

Like a real old-school engine. That's like yeah, no that that I think is is gonna be like a thoroughbred horse

You know saying like a like your best best horse that you would pay

Which by the way or like ridiculous horses with like

hundreds of thousands more. Yeah, people spend millions on on like thoroughbred horses. I was just talking my daughter my niece

They were talking about gas prices, you know, because they're just they're young kids

So now they're realizing how expensive things are and I'm like, you know, how much you used to cost me to fill my tank in the 90s

I think it was like 20 bucks. I have so much to lie furthest memory back of pumping the cheapest gas I read

I have the memory of the gas station the day everything how fun is that?

98 cents 98 cents 98 cents a gallon. It cost me. I think 11. I obviously I was close to all the way

E the light was on I believe in my accurate tagger it cost me 11 dollars and something

The entire tank

No, my dad used to talk about like five cents a gallon gasoline and things like that back in the day

That's

I mean if you would have if you would have if you would have just put a tanker away, right? You know what I'm saying?

Yeah gas doesn't last. Oh, it doesn't know how long does gas. I mean

Degrades quickly very quickly. Oh

I did not know that you can like stockpile it. Yeah, I thought you could still I wasn't aware of that

I mean, there's additives you can put in it to extend the life, but I don't know how long you can keep it

But for example, if you have like a generator, you know, you don't want to keep gasoline in it for too long

Really? Yeah, don't they have solar power generators? They do. Mm-hmm. Okay. I mean Tesla

Oh, they actually have that speaking of Tesla. I say additives for your house are cool

I said something Adam. Let me pull it up you guys. It's really cool. I sent it to Adam because it's so like

Chamoth who did the breakdown right? This is so something Adam will be into so I'm gonna pull it it's

As much as I I'm anti electric cars and hate electric cars. I would do this

So this guy didn't analyze. So you know Tesla is has these robot attack

Taxis. Yeah soon come right so you can literally buy one

And then allow it to be used and he said make money for you. Yes, dude. He said your car prostitute. He spent

Carp him. Yeah, be a car pimp. Yeah, so one robot taxi

Theoretically this guy did all the math right after you do all the costs of the car up to all that stuff

Would make you roughly $30,000 a year. That's crazy

So it's like if you own 34 robot tax did you make a million dollars a year? Yeah, that's kind of cool

That is cool. What sucks though about that style. I'll tell you right now is that

That

Well, we'll last for a very short period time because then it'll become a race to the bottom

Yeah, and you know when the insurance company is there it will catch wind

Yeah, I mean even that will be that won't be that bad because it's probably not gonna be

A high payout for those cars and stuff like that so you less insurance is probably cheap because they're not gonna get many accidents

Yeah, you'll have you'll have big umbrella insurance policies where you'll basically pay a you know

Thousand or something else, but you'll have 10 20 cars on eight to fleet or whatever because the

likelihood of all of them getting crashes so on unlikely

But what it'll do is that that's his current theory right now at the rate it is

But then people just undercut that yeah like what what stop before you know it. They'll be competing

Oh, yeah, they'll be competing and then they'll be a short window. Oh very short window

I mean, it's like everything though, right? Like yeah, so are you guys here's a real question? Are you gonna do it?

I mean that's what this is all you love stuff like this

I mean, I think that's what would interest me in marijuana when I got into it was not I was totally not a marijuana guy

I saw it early and I know that the best time to get in stuff like that is on the front the front end when nobody wants to

They're scared they're nervous. I don't know about it. There's a bunch of people prove the model

Then everybody dives in yeah, and then by time you dive in you can establish yeah, yeah, and then get your fleet

It's like oh cool. So there'd be like a window of like when they first throw out by like two or three of them

That's I mean at the very least that would be cool at the very least

It would be cool to have one of those cars shuttle you around like if if our vehicles that we we all commute in that we all use

Paid for itself, so like we drive it here at work. Yeah, and then all four of them are out

I mean, I mean, how cool would that be ended by a parking lot? How cool?

Here's how I would do it and it would be like it would not be for a business

How cool would it be that we could supply every one of our employees a vehicle that pays for itself

And that's part of a perk for working here

And who cares when you're the business guy, so we don't care

We don't care that it's making it's so competitive. It doesn't make $30,000 every thing

But it what it does at least do is it pays that it's also right off because the company is right

It covers it covers that and guess what all of our employees have a vehicle supplied by the company and they can't be late

We got you driving

You're still parked in for your house dog

I love that no, so I could see that would totally be my motivation because like what what would it

It's not big enough business for us to distract us from the things that we do already

But if I could supply all of our employees with a car and it pay for itself what a cool per oh, yeah, right?

Oh, I love boys. I love that. All right, but I thought I put that put that right there now

Not in the last that's it's cool that we're kind of going totally going that direction. I got okay

So I have I'm gonna change directions. I have the perfect skin

Stack from Caldera lab. This is the stack right here like if you want like the order of it too

Yes, so it sizes the serum because I'm pretty sure that's like the best product. Love it

I love it. I screw this up whenever I tell people so I can't wait to hear the problem

So so they have a lot of different products

But just three products and this is just a very effective stack. You'll see a difference

Using this for sure. So you get the base layer the moisturizer and the serum and you put them on in that order

base layer first, okay, then moisturizer then you have the serum and

Look what's duck could you look up? What's the name of the moisturizer because I I the base layer of the serum

I'm very familiar with the moisturizer at what's the name called the that's not the great is it they have the

Yeah, the great now again. I don't have any of the newer

Lufa fit in on this. I have it. I have it. So the great. I have in front of me right now. It's called the anti-aging

Facial serum biomedic exome serum. This is one that has the exomes in it. Yeah

Is that would that be considered the moisture? I know the base layer is that's the one that come in the screw top

So the base layer is like a moisturizer. Yes, but there's another one that you do want also

So there's one that is looks like it's in a similar container

But it's called something else. Can you name all the products?

Yeah, let me I'm trying to get to it right so I'll tell you right now that what the serum is the good and the base layer is called base layer

Yeah, I know those two what those two are the moisturizer is the one that I might be the great the great

I think it might be the great as well. I think it might be the great

So the best layer of the great and the good that makes sense and then you got you got your combination

Okay, I do that and watch what you what people tell you basically great

Yeah, I got so me I just got to add the moisturizer in there because I do the base layer and then I normally do the serum when I get here

So I do like religiously. Yeah, that's why I keep it here. Yep. It's like and then the clean slate

Of course is the thing is you walk that's in my shower. Yeah, so I got I got a couple compliments on my skin

I've gotten more than a couple but recently a couple of my skin. Do you think that's because your skin looks so good or you

Have more face. Yeah, you have more hair

You have more slain you have more skin showing

It's

Hey, listen little by little to get some rest of the the breast compliments because she just shown more of it

Yeah, I said just show more face

He's gonna head cleavage. Did I take it? I wore a hat the other day for the first time you did

Yeah, so sunny outside to see this. It was really sunny. It was a nice. It was a great or something. Huh a beret

No, you don't have to wear like a

What are the other one we're just one of the other ones called that the like the kangle kangle ones

Oh

No, no, no, I was outside

We bought like this teeter totter for the kids. I was putting it together outside. It was warm. It was really nice outside

Dude, it's been so now. Yeah, and so my wife is laid out. We laid out. Did you yes? So my wife comes out

Sashik's out your heads your head's getting somber. I'm like oh that happens now because they said hair

And I never got somber on my head side to put a hat on dude and I don't like the way I look in hats

I don't have what's your

Right, because there's different version mean Adam have very different hat. Yeah, yeah, I can't wear I wish I could wear those hats

I can't wear the hat you have to do the dad get a big square

If I were if I were that had I have to wear it over my ears. Yeah, you know my favorite this

I'm serious. I don't smell it. So that's why the dad I love that hats and I get that

Yeah, cuz I wish I could wear those ever see Justin

So you know, we do shoot sometimes so Justin has to take off his hat and show off his luxurious hair

Yeah, I never shows it makes me angry. I don't know. It's in my hair today. Just you guys would stop

Whatever whatever bro anyway, so he's always covering his face

I care about but he'll put his hat down right cuz he's doing his hair. Yeah, and bro

You know how you have the little snaps, right stick on the last one

Too loud look look look. Oh my god. Let me see it. Oh, oh, I smell

He's got two or three. Oh, yeah, if I put that on bro, you're almost you need most of them are one though

Oh my god, I just realized that hat. That's the old-school prodigy collab we get right back. Yeah, wow

Still have that I still have it and you know, it's funny inside. Uh, it's this ever it

We yeah, I kind of took it from him, but yeah, cuz mine I wore I remember I wore that to death and it was just like

Dude trashed. I that you guys probably don't remember that story. So I have several of these business stories behind the scenes that I that make me kind of chuckle inside

Sometimes of like people I try to do business with that like collab with or do things

That's an example of one. Yeah, I know I really wanted this one. Yeah, and I remember I really did too way back when and

We've had some stuff with programs that we've done this

I won't I won't throw people under the bus or say names of all the stuff

But it always cracks me up when cuz we we operate from a place we talk about this all time

The unfortunate part of the fitness space is there's such a scarcity mindset

Yeah, and we're always about helping and elevating other people and and that these are examples of that

These were people like I was coming from a place of oh man

We could grow together. Let's do some stuff and collab and I thought and that's one of many examples of somebody

It was just like oh, you know

Competitive and thought that like you know, they didn't want to they didn't want to do that because we'd be competing with each other and like

We've had many times like this at some I've shared with you guys some I have it and that's the example

Yeah, yeah, that that company doesn't even exist anymore

I'm saying like never took off never did anything is like you idiot like you say like I think we could have gone places

Oh, yeah, you could have done something really great

But that that what an example of like what like having a scarcity of mind so how crippling it can be in business

Totally and you know, I think I've seen this so much in my lifetime of

People that I think could have been really successful because they're talented in whatever craft or thing that they do

But because they operate from a place like that everybody's gonna take it from me. Yes

Well, then you're never going anywhere and and so it it just it's so unfortunate when you see that because that was a very talented person who

Early on in our journey. I would have made what a great person to have could have done our apparel for so many who God knows what our

Parallel line is like a lot better than does

Yeah, yeah, it's our apparel lines always been an afterthought to us

And we've and yet there's people in our space far smaller in their network that have massive apparel lines because that's their passion

Yeah, they focus on yeah, they love doing that and you know

Well, we're gonna come out soon right with our own line like each of us is gonna have our own

Yeah, I think that's what we I think the idea of it

Yeah, I think what which we thought would be it's more fun than it is for businesses

You'll have one. Yeah, we all have our own style and so it's like what I think we're gonna we're gonna move to this like where we each get to give

You know

Whoever's running the apparel

Hey, I here's a shirt pants and a hoodie or a hat that I like you know put I like to make one for myself selfishly

Mm-hmm, and then the people that you know like like your style like it didn't cool. Yeah, yeah, so I will see I got it speaking to companies

I have to mention this the biggest

Shutdown or failure or whatever you want to call it in the

Gray market peptide space happened. Yeah, so peptide science catch me up with that peptide science is was the biggest research chemical

You know what you would call a gray market provider of peptides

Okay, so they sold all this peptide and the difference is you know with with gray market you're not going through a doctor

You're not going through

FDA approved

Compounding pharmacies you're getting what's called a research chemical, but people would you know get that anyway because of you

typically less expensive

and

Very accessible. You mix it yourself. It's it's pretty significantly in expansion, which is why it blew up

That's right and also you don't have to go through a doctor. You just go on the website. That's why it's so peptide science is

Was the biggest they're gone gone? Wow should just done and it's speculations why I have some inside

You know scoop I won't say online on air

But yeah, dude that so that's and that's a huge vacuum. Yeah, like they they were doing

They were doing something like I

Think like 50 to a hundred million dollars like insane amounts of revenue. Yeah, monthly and they're gone

I mean, I feel I feel really confident about the decision that we made to go in the direction with with Vita Bella and their model

Yes, I think that which by the way the regulations on

Peptides have been lifted so now when you go to MP hormones calm all those older peptides that weren't available

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First questions from JC trucking you T. What would be a good program for for blue-collar workers who work 6 a.m. to 5 p.m

How much should we be eating so blue-collar workers are interesting because

Typically when you work with somebody

One of the strategies increase activity right get them to move more they're already preactive. They're pretty active

You're you're you're moving a lot. So, you know having them track steps like I'm not gonna do that

Yeah, not to mention the activity so high

That too much stress from a workout program

It's kind of easy to do so I actually this was a challenge for me early on I get blue-collar workers

And I kind of had to figure out what was the appropriate amount of strength training to get them results

Well, especially little well, especially considering that type of person tends to be like tough

Yeah, and so they can handle yeah, they can handle a lot and so you think that okay. I'm gonna throw they expect an intense work

Yes, and and the opposite is kind of true like a moderate intensity a lower volume program tends to work much better

And so I think right away like

Massive team protocol for them is probably the perfect balance or grade eight grade eight would be great

Yeah, depending again on on what you do for work like how much heavy lifting you do and all that like you have factoring

You know in this first

occurred to me it wasn't because we weren't necessarily seeing results

It was because they'd come back to me and be like, so I

Couldn't work that well the day after like I was too sore

Yeah

And it really made it hard for me to do my job

And so I had to scale it back so they could go back to work the next day

Because your legs get real sore and you work a desk. How do they recover?

It is right back to it. So I would scale it way down and boom. We started seeing great results now as far as eating is concerned

Blue-collar workers diets are notoriously bad now. It's most people's diets are pretty bad

But blue-collar workers are really bad. They have based on convenience, right convenience

It's it's what's easy. What's fast? There's food trucks that literally I would tell them especially because they're actually

I say eat as much as you want just take the whole natural foods and you're good and that

Was always the recipe for success. I mean, we just had a blue-collar worker this week that has struggled with weight loss

Most of his lifting career and I'm very familiar with lifting and that was like our advice was and I took it a step further

And talked about you know on your off day

Prepping a lot of meat and rice

So you have that access because that's that's what happens is you you're on the go you're working hard

You have an eating in five six hours you get a break finally you don't have anything prepared

So it's like burrito truck or something, you know something like that. That's fast

Bring a cooler. So yeah being prepared and and again like you don't even have I don't even have to take this person and go like

Oh, you have to eat these types of means like dude try tip rib eye ground beef

Fish I'm chicken thighs. Whatever you like with white rice and eat it when you're hungry

You don't have to over complicate this but but prepare that and have it ready for you and make those choices

The other thing is what they drink soda was super prevalent. Yeah, it's on our beer, right?

Yeah, so it's like just drink water whole natural foods eat as much as you want. Don't worry about increasing activity

You're already doing plenty

You know maps grade eight or massive team and you're gonna get great results

Next question is from Kathy Steinhil, but you guys talk a lot about you guys don't talk a lot about drop sets much why it's a super

Advanced intensity technique

Bodybuilders love drop sets

But for most people it's just not at least not necessary. It's out. It's actually counterproductive. It's I was so

You know, I think this question because it I think it it's good for us to have this discussion of like why because there's a lot of things

We don't talk about a lot of different

Partials and force reps. Yeah, it cluster sets a lot and things like that

It's like in the context of the things that really move the needle for

99% of the population it's it's it's damn near irrelevant

Like it's just not it's of all the levers I could pull to help somebody through a plateau or get them to see better results

It's just not there. Does it mean that I don't do drop sets? Yeah, I use drop sets

I can do it's just this but I'm not doing drop sets thinking like oh, this is gonna get an extra inch on my biceps this week

I was just do for fun. Yeah, it's literally. It's a novelty for me. It's like oh, I haven't done this thing in a long time

I like doing it. I'm gonna do it

But it's it's not how it gets sold in magazines and in the in the controlled study, right?

So they like to take examples of something like this and they control it in a six-week study and they go

Oh, and group A that did traditional sets compared to group B who did some drop sets in there saw an increase in this and it's just like

That doesn't tell the whole story of really how valuable it is

It's really more than the novelty stimulus of it that they get the most benefits that wears off after

Four to six weeks of them doing it consistently and so it's just it's just a small thing

It is and I'll say this even at my most consistent best rested best you know diet best recovery

I would do a drop set of once a month like this is what it would look like in my routine

And it would be literally like I think I'm gonna do a drop set today and I'll do it for laterals or curls or something else

By the way a drop set is when you do as many reps as you can

Take some weight off and then squeeze out some more reps and do it again and you repeat that like three or four times

Yeah, but even bodybuilders

They're not doing drop sets all the time

Bodybuilders are doing them like very infrequently as a way to introduce novelty

Or spice things up. There's also such a terrible example to use because of how how many of us are enhanced

It's just yeah, it's just you can get away with that type of intensity. Yep

That and so if you're somebody who would like you said is well fed well rested

Had a good good balance of routine volume and you occasionally do the drops it could be incredible for you

But if you were like I was when I was in my you know late teens in early 20s and was introduced to this

It became like the thing I did in every workout, you know

I'm saying and there's just over application

I'm gonna go better results if you do that exactly and so that's why you don't hear us talk that much about it

Next questions from Karan Singh 19 what does strength maintenance while building endurance stamina and VO2 max

Look like once you focused on strength for two or three years. Okay, so the question is

Essentially, I want to build my endurance my stamina my VO2 max

But I don't want to lose any strength. Well, here's a deal. You're probably gonna lose some strength regardless. Okay, so

maximal strength

maximal stamina

They tend to take away from each other. So it's maximal now some stamina some strength like they're totally fine

But if you're like really pushing to gain endurance and stamina you're gonna see you're gonna see your strength go down

That being said the amount of strength training required to try to maintain what you've built is very little very little so

Especially if you're adding other style other training to your routine. So let's say typically you do three or four days a week of strength training

Now you're gonna move more towards endurance

One day a week of you know strength training will be enough to maintain what you're gonna maintain by chasing those other things

Yeah, that's I would say one two days of straight training and then one to two days of you

Pushing stamina endurance VO2 max type stuff and what's cool about

VO2 max is you can manipulate that in a week

Yeah, and so if you want to meaning you can improve that within a week's time

So getting getting pretty good endurance pretty good stamina and VO and improving VO2 max

You can get that relatively quick if you haven't trained for that and you could just and both the mistake that people make is a pilot on top

Mm-hmm of their strength training they've been doing for two or three years

So whatever that that that number was that you just mentioned like if you're training four days a week of strength training like a

Full hour

I probably wouldn't recommend like really pushing the endurance center. I'd scale back one to two days

Replace those one to two days now with training for endurance and you'll get the best of both worlds

You'll you'll keep most of your muscle

You'll lose a little bit of strength not a lot

You'll look awesome because you'll keep most of the muscle on your body

But you you should predict that you're gonna lose a little bit

But you'll definitely gain that endurance and then it happens so fast that you can course correct after two or three weeks

Yeah, two or three weeks of like stamina endurance training

You're gonna get a lot in that short period of time

And if you don't like the way you look and you want to go back to going more more focus on strength

They don't want to do back to strength. Yeah, that's the thing you can congratulate them too

So it's like one of those things when you feel whenever you feel like a deficit and something that you want to improve

You can focus on that you know for a few months. It's not gonna completely hinder you and all those other metrics

Next question is from James Mullen art when I do front arms. I'm sorry when I do front squats with my arms crossed

By the time I'm done my biceps feel like they're going to explode

Is that normal or is my form out of whack?

It sounds to me like you're really squeezing and holding on the bar for dear life

To try to prevent the bar from sliding down should you resting up on your shoulders?

Yeah, so you probably need to lift your elbows higher

So as you squat you want to lift your elbows as high as you can so the bar doesn't want to roll forward

Sometimes people will drop their elbows as they squat down. Yeah, and it's like they're trying to hold it up with their hands

You shouldn't feel like you're having to hold it up with your hands. No, no

It should feel like you lift your elbows up and it sits

Should be on your upper chest and your anterior delts. Yeah, you should feel a balance

Balancing on your shoulder caps and and then that and that is from the elbows driving up

If it's coming down across your your arms you the the bar is not in the right place

You know someone like this to maybe better way to do it than the arms crossed is the the two you know towels or straight or wrist wrap

Yeah wrist wraps or two towels wrapped around

And then holding it like that around you can just make fist and hold

Yeah, but really I mean I used to tell when I used to train my clients with this I would say as you squat

Lift your elbows because as you squat your elbows might be in a nice position

Yeah, but when you squat your upper body tends to yeah, then forward a little bit

So you have to lift your elbows even I say lead with your I used to say lead with your elbows

Yeah, you drive out of the squat lead up with your chest tall keeps your chest up high and then it keeps those elbows from dipping

Because it's natural they have a there's this interesting

Piece of exercise. It's like a really inexpensive piece of extra that size equipment

I think it was called a

Either stingray or man-to-ray one of them was for a back squat to like it

But one for the front squats is pretty cool. You put it on your shoulders. It's sad to cross it

Yeah, it sort of sits in that way. Yeah, and it was actually pretty cool. I mean I feel like the

What's the what's the other one called with the big with the big pads inside that feels like you hit it like it's a squat with a safety

Sparrow. Yeah, yeah, what it is a farmer? It was not a farmer squat. What is what are those what are those what are those?

Call where we we have one with the two you get the handles are right here. Oh, yeah, safety bar

Safety bar. Yeah, so the big the big safety bar hits like a front squat. Oh, yeah

Yeah, if you squat and if you ever yoke bar, so if you if you squat with that

That squat bar if it's it's like so when I so a lot of times when I want to do front squats and I'm not in the mood

Hold the bar across. Yeah, I'll just use that and so it'll it'll target your quads very similar to a front squat

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