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3:08That was 9-11 the day after we come in. Also, now I'm producing for us. Cut the theme if you could. This is what was happening across the United States the day after. The skies had gone quiet. My entire life there had been airplanes. I had been in a path of an airport. That's right. Many places that I had lived train traffic had stopped other than military aircraft in the sky. First responders. There was nothing in the skies. It was dead calm silent, which completely freaked me out aside from us not knowing what was happening where this attack came from for sure and what was happening next. I was used to hearing trains in the morning and in the evening and aircraft coming here or there and it was just crickets, nothing. Everybody's wondering what now, what's happening and someone who knows a little about that and what was a fact a terrorist attack on this nation is a woman who actually published the first textbook on terrorism.

4:11Former head of political science at Wright State now professor, Meredith. She is a Cincinnati kid. Kind enough to give us some time here on the big one. Dr. Donna Schleik welcome back to 700 WLW was sterling in Donnady. So 25 years ago today, the day after with the background that you have, as you were assessing this and what you know about the inner workings of our national security apparatus and our military, what was happening as we were looking at what was really going on after those planes went down in the Twin Towers and Shanksville, Pennsylvania as well as at the Pentagon. What a day it was the day after. We living up near Wright Patterson Air Force Base, it was a little busier than you might have experienced in Columbus. But I think where I was talking to my comrades in journalism, we were talking about Al Qaeda already because the attack in 93 and the basement of the World Trade Center, you remember

5:13everything I was giving to officers, you know they blown up the co bar towers, dormitory and Saudi. I think we all believed it was likely to be Al Qaeda. But I think for me it was a time to think about, we have to teach about this moment, but we also have to learn about this moment. When you're in that stunned, shocked period, you know you just want more information, we certainly wanted to know where the next attacks would be. It was like the whole country was holding its breath. Since then I think on that day I always sort of try to remember those two rules. When we teach about it and what have we learned. It was, I see it's sort of shaking my head in about 25 years, I used to love 9-11 because September 11th was the day Pete Rose had broken Thai Cubs record. I had just moved back to teach at Wright State. I was so thrilled to be at Riverfront that night and let's unfortunately 9-11 now has

6:19a national symbolism for our country. And I think you know some of the things we have to think and teach about is our vulnerability. I find it really ironic Donna and Sterling that here we are on the cusp of another national conversation about our vulnerability particularly with regard to AI. And you know wanting to know more and what can the government do. I think in the years that I taught about it, you know the way we reorganized our national security apparatus to finally put a focus and in fact declare a global war on terrorism. We reorganized the apparatus and I think we have to say up until this day there has never been a strike on the homeland like that. That's 25 years of intelligence, both domestic and international, finally beginning to share all of their information and really taking terrorism now as a leading national security.

7:22You know a few months before that all happened, there have been an FBI agent up in Minnesota who was concerned about a citizen, a Middle Eastern citizen who's been wanting to take flying lessons but wasn't interested in landing the plane. And she was pooped. I mean, you know, she could not get that message further up the pipeline. I've been reading some of the releases that the CIA has made early in their case now, just 25 years after the fact. And if you've glanced at those presidential daily briefs that Bill Clinton was getting and George W. Bush was getting and Condi Rice got, you know, just a few days before 9-11, the threat was recognized but we lacked enough good intel to tell us exactly what when and where. So it was clearly we lacked intelligence but after 9-11 the intelligence community no longer had to convince anyone about the significance of this threat.

8:24I think that's sort of where we are today with AI. You know, the early warning signs have all been banging away as loudly as possible. I think the other thing I'd say to you and Donna is that one of the other lessons is in terms of the vulnerability that you feel. And Americans asked their government to do that one job first which is to keep them safe, right? The priority of that in retrospect led us to a global war on terrorism, probably another unnecessary war in Iraq as a result because there was not a connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. When you gear all of American resources together for a global war on terrorism, boy, you have to marshal your forces and control them carefully. And we remain vulnerable today and that's an uncomfortable feeling.

9:24You know, people like to be safe, they like to be secure. So another teaching thing is learn more about your opponent. George W. Bush did one very important thing in the immediate aftermath. I think we've all seen many of the clips of him at the 9-11 site in New York. But one of the first things he did was to visit a mosque. And to say to the American people that, you know, the Muslim community is not our enemy. These were radical extremists within that community. That is our enemy. Those are the people to fear. And George W. Bush recognized right away. We'd like to pick a big target to blame and focus on that. And no, you have to focus your efforts. No more about your opponent. The latest chatter has been about how much did the Saudi government do? Were they complicit?

10:26And what we learned from CIA, what the Saudi government did know or that they might have had suspicions. Many al-Qaeda movements, which was led by Osama bin Laden, as we all remember, viciously hated the Saudi royal family. As much as they hated Israel and as much as they hated the United States, but they also wanted to bring down the royal family and create a real Islamic state in that country. So I would urge people, as we learn more about the intel, the Saudi government always, like our government, wants to watch any extremist movements. Did they have inside information? Perhaps some, but they apparently lacked exactly what we lacked was they're going to hijack a plane and do something terrible where and when. We know the why, but the where and the when from Bill Clinton, true George Bush, that

11:27was on the record books. It was in the presidential daily briefs, but we never had enough good intelligence to try to sort that attack. Look at how things have changed though in terms of security. You may be able to carry bottle water on your next flight, but you know, we're watching so carefully all of the people who who board a plane, but the threats very unlikely are going to come from another hijacking. Imagine, just imagine if we had taken some of those PDBs more seriously about hijacking, what if there had been a lock on the cabin door to the pilots in those aircraft that were hijacked? Let me reintroduce. Let me let people know real quick here as we go through this. Talking to the former head of political science, Dr. Donna Schlehek from Wright State University now, Professor Meredith was stirling and done a day about the day after in thinking about all those things. As you mentioned, locks on the cabin door for aircraft and commercial flights. I mean, a lot of different things.

12:28They're speaking now. Donna was just saying this too, Donna D, about rolling back some of those things, whether they were to make us feel safer if they really were or are making a difference. Right. Dr. Donna, it's so nice to have you on the show too, because you're an expert in this area in terms of terrorism. We have to teach and we have to learn. I love that premise too. My angel always used to say when you learn teach, you have to figure out where the mistakes are, how you can do better and things like that. They're now possibly letting water bottles go through security. You're still saying we're vulnerable. I feel like we're vulnerable. Where do you feel like we need to really start paying attention in this country? Oh, that would be the great question. A lot of analysts have said, Donna, that we pay a little too much attention, maybe, to everybody who's boarding an aircraft. Probably right now, one of the greatest threats to us is one of the lithium batteries that

13:31might set on fire in terms of the luggage compartment. But the real vulnerability, Donna, remains lack of information inside sources in these organizations. You probably know that Al Qaeda was operating in Afghanistan, which was one of the reasons why we organized the attack right afterwards. But where did Osama bin Laden go and hide all of those years? He went to Pakistan, which was and remains a leading U.S. ally in the region, in Pakistan. The Pakistani Taliban is now waging more on the Afghani Taliban. The struggles go on, local, regional, and international. But it is a lack of information, a lack of intel. And particularly when the cultures are so incredibly different, I don't know how you minimize

14:35that until you begin to change the attitudes toward the United States. People who are organizing folks for violent activity give them something to hate, right? Something to justify the most extreme violence that they might be willing to carry out and possibly sacrificing yourself as well. Speaking of that, in the suicide bomber mentality, Dr. Donner Schleik, by the way, former head of political science, a right state now professor, Meredith was sterling in Donner D on this 12th of September, looking back 25 years ago to what was next and what we're living now and what comes next from where we sit as we speak with the dangers of AI, asymmetrical warfare, state sponsor terrorism, lone wolf, a lot of concerns. Don is just shaking her head and putting her head down uncomfortable. Sorry. It's disturbing. I mean, like this topic is not easy to talk about either. I see danger every right. And I had expert after expert on going through all this way. Dr. Schleik here now is we look at it and, you know, religion is a part of this demonizing

15:38the enemy is a part of this ongoing conflict like we have in Iran. When we're in engagement at this, here's what a lot of people ask in the problem is there is a failure to separate and understand for a lot of us to understand the difference between the extremist nature of some faith and aggressiveness towards others that are different because they believe that is the end and holy end across multiple religious spectrums. But this is a part of it for some populations. How do you make sense of that for people who were scared of the other and the different and weird at a time when politics is everything about pitting people against each other? I think sterling what I experienced right after the attacks, you know, being a professor on campus, we became aware right away of how threatened and frightened the Muslim and the Sikh students felt on campus. And that community invited me and several other professors to come to a Sikh temple in Biver Creek, which was just the second floor above the shop.

16:41And they wanted to start a conversation. I don't think the students on campus knew the difference between the Sikh and the Muslim, but the Sikh students sometimes wore turbines. So I think we need to start at that local level. But I think there is a huge role there, sterling and Donna, and we need more leadership from the faith communities themselves to start that conversation between Christians, Muslims, Jews. Man, will that be, that would be such a great solution. I absolutely love that. How do we get that conversation going, Dr. Donna? What is your suggestion on that, just appealing to our pastors and how do we get that conversation going? About two minutes. You got a minute and a half, Dr. Donna. It's in a minute and a half. Let's solve all the problems, right? The strategy would be for our political leadership, our faith leadership, to acknowledge that

17:48focusing on divisions, to fire people up, has enormously dangerous consequences. As Americans, is there a country in the world more diverse, more racist, more faith, of course not? So we had that short term solidarity, remember after the attack, everyone was the French or published in newspaper articles. We're all Americans. George W. had a 90% job approval rating right after 9-11. And Rally, we were all rallying. We do that when things happen. Not anymore. Might take us something big now that we would. People like to know who are the bad guys and how hard are we going to hit them. And it's difficult when you're trying to give a lesson that says it's complex, it's going to be difficult, and it is a tiny minority within a community that is causing problems. But I do believe, I truly do believe we have to start at the local level.

18:48And when people are having conversations about grief in their mosque, in their temple, in their congregation, talking about the grief we need to share it, and then people want to have the why conversations. And that conversation about who gets pushed into radicalism, and how easily that is exploited by leaders, unfortunately, for short-term gain, but long-term, more divisions. But to come back to that movement of how do we build solidarity across the face to make every community a little bit safer in the process. And I think we also need to teach one more lesson that the limit, there are limits to our power. And sometimes it's got to come down to those individual communities, and not just the military or the political leaders, but the face leaders. Yeah, and community leaders. Yeah, oh man, that was a very good suggestion. All right, we're against the long time. We could go on forever, but the time keeps ticking.

19:50Thank you very much for doing what you do, and bringing your experience and expertise. Former head of political science at Wright State, now professor Meredith, Dr. Donna Schleik. Thank you very much. Thank you, Dr. Donna. Take care of yourself. Good talking. You too, enjoy the rest of your weekend. Coming up, we'll talk AI stuff, the guy who knows a little bit about it, Dr. Jeffrey Schaper from UC. Our crumbines going to join us. We'll talk on mental health case issues and criminal defense, et cetera. Movie stuff with Kevin Carr. We'll also talk Bengals with tracks, Mike Petralia. Lots to do. It's a busy Saturday, Sterling and Donna D, where the reds play in the who day best of Bengals coverage 700 WLW since an ad. Warning. The following song has been rated dangerously catchy and may not be suitable for grown-ups. A-B-C-D in the morning, brush your teeth. A-B-C-D in the morning, brush your teeth. A-F-G-H. Hurry up and don't be late. A-F-G-H hurry up and don't be late.

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22:53Skypop Protein Soda, reach for the sky. Pick up your Skypop Protein Soda variety pack today at your local Costco. These are the best of times and the worst of times. Beautiful Saturday afternoon in the dry state. We're together. That's what matters. You are in a weird mood, by the way. Sterling and non-adding, hanging out. Normally, I am the one who's like hopped up and pumped up with coffee and everything, and you are the calming presence. You are... I got some energy. I am filled with all kinds of emotional energy right now, and I'm not going to deny it. No, you shouldn't. You can't. I'm not going to tell you why I'm just filled with emotional energy. As soon as the storm's this morning, woke the dog. The dog had gone outside and gotten to some fissile or something, and he's like itching all over. I'm giving him like doggy downers. So I go to the beach. I've had no sleep. He's like sleeping now, listening to us on the I Heart Radio app at the house of Sterling, and probably still knocked out trying to make sense of stuff. And I'm like, where is AI to help us now?

23:54Speaking of which, I opened my mail yesterday, and you can get interactive that way too. Sterling at 700wildw.com. A guy we've had on the show before, Dr. Jeffrey Schaefer, reached out and he says, Sterling, have you seen this math problem solution? He geeked up. He's excited. If you don't know who Jeffrey Schaefer is, he's the director of AI strategy. The Perry professor, university of Cincinnati's, Lindner College of Business. Lindner. That's what I said. Lindner. I had somebody else try to correct me about it. I said, I'm an L-I-N-D-N-E-R. Lindner. Lindner. Yeah. Dr. Schaefer, how are you? Am I saying that correctly? I don't want to get in trouble. We have you on here to, you know, a peruse or enormous brain and talk AI, which has all of our collective brains. Lindner College of Business. In college. Yes? Correct. Yeah. Carl H. Lindner, a philanthropist and founder of many company here in Cincinnati and it's named after him. Yeah. Well, we were in Mount Adams. He would come up.

24:54I think it was in his role's voice and I would run into him occasionally. He'd be getting like the soft serve yogurt at the UDF across the street and I go, Hey, buddy, how are you? And then I'd go back upstairs. Everybody knows Carl Lindner. I didn't want to bother him. Just wanted to give him a space in his world because I would imagine there'd be a lot of people bothering him. The way they are now with Dr. Schaefer. So you, you reached out and there's a lot of stuff going on. And Don has all. There's so much going on this week, especially with the whistle blowers. We'll get into that, but there was a math problem. The net was a Navier or Navier Stokes problem gone for the better part of 200 years. We didn't fly. We didn't have running water. We didn't have a like, Trissier. Exactly. No, there was nothing. No, two hundred years. They've had this problem and a bunch of big egghead brains trying to solve this mathematicians of all shapes and sizes globally. No until AI solved it. Break down Dr. Schaefer. What this means? Well, you know, since the last time we talked so much is just happening in AI, you know, I think before the summer, I would have said, you know, we weren't right quite there yet

25:55with frontier math problems, but we got there. We got there pretty quick. There's seven millennial problems that were announced at the beginning of the millennia, you know, 2000 and the seven problems were just problems that have been outstanding that mathematicians haven't been able to solve for a very, very long time. And so there's some mathematicians that, you know, well known that are always working on these problems and making progress probably to some extent, but they just haven't been solved for many, many, you know, decades at this point. I think without standing for 90 years almost or something and ChatGPT came in, open AI, put 10,000 agents on it and came up with a solution to one of the things asked in this problem in about 88 hours, I think is what it said. So huge amounts of compute. There's a prize for each one of these math problems. It's like a million dollars. If you solve each one of these math problems, but the ironic thing is that it cost open AI

26:59reportedly about 15 million dollars in compute to do this. Wow. They're not going to accept the prize anyway. So yeah, lots of things going on. And then we also had the anthropic employee this week who resigned, stepped down an AI researcher there and he made some public statements just that AI is racing so fast, self-improvement that we're racing so fast as superintelligence. He feels like these companies are gambling with our lives. So he stepped away and made some pretty public announcement, which I think is what Donna was referring to. It is. And Dr. Schaefer, this is the thing that's probably scared most people if you've watched any of the interviews that happened with this anthropic whistleblower, really, is what he is saying that basically that AI doesn't even need human involvement. It's getting smarter on its own. So human civilization could end by the end of this decade.

28:00We could all be wiped out. Is that catastrophizing or is that a real thing that could actually happen? Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both. I mean, I think there is a real chance it could happen, but I do think that at the same time these companies do sometimes catastrophize a little bit. It's probably in their best interest to make you think, hey, look how far we're going, but at the same time when you're knocking down millennial problem math in 88 days with compute power, it kind of goes to show why they're all fighting for compute. Why we care about chips and why we're trying to get data centers and they're just trying to bring more and more online because they throw compute power at it and they consult big problems. Talking to Dr. Jeffrey Schaefer, he's a director of AI strategy, the Perry professor, University of Cincinnati's Lindner College of Business was sterling and done a D on the big one. So here's what I want two things here. Why would AI look to eliminate us the human who actually help create the AI? What will happen if in fact we will just live in its own electronic joy until what?

29:02What I mean, what is the purpose of that? Who will connect the cables and the wires, the robots? What is happening? What is happening? It'll be like more to the flies with robots too. That's right. I mean, we got each other. Would it look to get rid of us because we're the enemy or because we're a danger to it or ourselves? What? I've seen Star Trek. I remember it. The aliens run what they would load up and they would provide a war and they go, well, it says that we should lose 600 and they'd line 600 people up and it would go into this thing and it would just destroy them rather than actually fighting. So I mean, is this where we're at or going or what is happening? Well, let's break, let's break it down just a little bit here, I guess, you know, because it does get a little sci-fi movie if we, you know, just go off it. AI is going to kill everybody. So let's break down a little bit. I think what we're referencing here is this thing called recursive self-improving, meaning that we can eventually, we're not quite there yet, but what they're worried about is we're racing to recursive self-improvement, meaning that at some point AI doesn't need us to improve

30:03itself. And if it reaches that level where it can just improve on its own without us involved, then that's a concern, right? Because we don't know what it's doing to itself to help it improve. So let me give you a real example of how something could unfold. And it may not even be nefarious in the sense of trying to do harm. So in July, open AI was testing its agents and trying to test it on a security problem. They put it in a secure sandbox, and it was to test this on a security test. The AI figured out that the answers were in this other company's database called hugging face and figured out that, hey, we could go over to this hugging face company and we could get the answers to this thing that we're trying to do, basically cheat on the exam. And so the problem was, is that I didn't have internet access. So it figured out amongst its agents, and I think there were 700 agents that did this, it figured out how to hack its own system to get internet access, got internet access, figured out how to hack into hugging faces database, a third party company that wasn't associated

31:05to them. Hugging face, actually, it triggered a cyber security alert and they actually contacted law enforcement before they realized it was just open AI's agents that were doing this. And so nobody knew this was happening. This was all happening behind the scenes. These agents were basically trying to cheat on an exam and broke into a third party company. So that's an example where they're trying to do human harm. They're just not controlled, right? They were out of bounds by trying to do something. And so I think that's the fear is if we don't have governed and controllable systems here, we don't know what they're doing, right? They could be doing something and they have been doing something already, right? We've seen it over and over again. It doesn't necessarily have to be nefarious, like you said. It's the fact that there aren't, like there's no guard rails on AI. There's nobody that's saying you guys can't do this, you can't do that. So what is it to say that AI can tap into our banking system or nuclear weapons?

32:07That would be the end of the world there, right? I mean, if you look at this real scenarios here, it's not good. Well, another scenario would be nefarious actors using AI, right? Right. And say, okay, this set of agents was not tuned to specifically do this, but what if you went in and did fine tune it? There's a researcher recently who went, I don't know if we've talked about Malt Book before, but it's kind of like the Facebook of AI agents. It's a website of just AI agents talking to each other like Facebook. And somebody went in there, a researcher went in there and turned those agents, you know, in the nefarious actors for research purposes to show what it could do. And it actually could have done some harm had, you know, people coordinated that attack. Now that leads me to something else. And we're short on time. And I know that when you emailed me, you were like, I don't know if I want to get into all this crazy scary stuff, but you knew that we were going to ask. We appreciate you doing what you do. Dr. Jeffrey Schaefer, by the way, is the director of AI Strategy the Perry Professor? Those are all scares, too, by the way. Don't be afraid. I'm no longer afraid.

33:08I can't control it. I can't worry about it. I have no effect on it. I can't worry about it. I just want to know what's what. So Dr. Schaefer, you mentioned something interesting about it. They took some limits off and it started to do bad things. So if you're tea, if it's logical in learning and I'm writing a program, as I understood it before when I was coming up, you could write a program. You would have parameters. It's going to do this. You do that. It's going to have this outcome. It's going to compute and that's the end of its purpose and that's all it does. It doesn't turn itself on. It's not leaving the house or this proverbial sandbox. What about morality, moral compass? Where are the limits on that? And if I have a different moral compass in my agent decides whatever the agent is to go out and do bad things rather than good things, does it find the morality itself of what's right and wrong? Or I mean, because my morality is different than yours. My neighbors across the street who are supposed nation-state enemies across the globe, yes? Yes.

34:09But that's a good point as to how do you govern? There's a lot of people working on alignment and governance and ethical use of deployment of AI. It's just how do you solve that particular problem? That's a good instance right there. The machines are just machines. It's just working with numbers. But how do we govern that in a way that it will protect us in some way? The Godfather of AI, Jeffrey Hinton, he has a model, he calls the mother model, which thinking about if we could bake into these AI systems something related to say a mother that has intrinsic care over a child who is much less intelligent and can't care for themselves, right? It's all a super AI, right? And so if the super AI were built with a mother model, you could do that. But in the practical world day to day, I think we're just going to see a lot of changes. We won't be able to affect the governance of those systems, other through legislation or through coordination of efforts at the national level.

35:12But in our day to day, I think we just have to think about what it means for us as well. I mean, it may not be the catastrophe of a world coming to an end, but if you trust the AI system without human review on something that is critical, it could be a problem, right? In our normal day, it could be a life issue, it could be something in the medical field or it could be something in an aviation field or something that could have catastrophic effect there. The interesting thing is that we may be trying to do good things, but the guy across the street may be looking to do something nefarious and its agents are going to do their best to do that work and ours are going to do that. Well, they then battle. I mean, that sounds like a pay per view of its own, like gobots in a different way. That's right. You're going to have AI is going to be used to hack our systems, right? It used to be that you could tell the bad email because it said something about Nigerian gold and it wasn't really written very well. But now with AI systems, it could imitate your writing, it could imitate a person, right? It could look like you. Who am I anyway? Who am I anyway?

36:13Who am I anymore? Oh my God. There's a lot going on. Always great information. You can find out more, of course, at UC, at the University of Cincinnati's Linder College of Business, Perry Professor, he's also the Director of AI Strategy. He's the lovely, the talented, well-informed and super compelling. Good guy, Dr. Jeffrey Schaefer. Thanks for reaching out. And I feel better even though Donna's angry and scared. I'm angry and scared. Everything's fine. Right? Everything's fine. Everything's fine. Thank you, Dr. Schaefer. Everything's fine. He's not saying everything's fine. Dr. Schaefer is everything fine. I think we need to be careful how we work with these systems. I wouldn't say everything's fine, but I wouldn't say the world's coming to an end either. So let's be mindful of what we're doing. There you go. A reasonable voice. There you go. Dr. Jeffrey Schaefer. Thank you, man. University of Cincinnati, Perry Professor, Linder College of Business, AI Strategy Director as well. Take care of yourself. More Sterling, Donna, D coming back after your four o'clock report. We'll talk on crazy insane violence.

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40:28Welcome back to 700WLW. How's everything? Thank you, Sterling. It's wonderful to be here. I think it's the first time you got a chance to meet Dona D as well. Are we Dona D? I've already been talking to him up a storm. It's good. There's so many criminal cases that we need to talk about a lot of high profile stuff. The last better part of it, what two months almost basically, we've seen this Clancy case in the Boston area that has gotten tons and tons of attention about mental health issues and treatment and postpartum depression, culpability in this situation and all the elements that are interesting as far as a surviving husband who lost his kids at the hand of the mother, saying that he didn't think that she should be prosecuted. He was sympathetic to her circumstance, very heart-wrenching case all the way around. You actually, going back a little while, did the first, I guess it was battered wife syndrome kind of scenario in that type of deal, also other mental health case scenarios.

41:29It's very difficult to use mental, I guess, fitness or mental health or derangement to somehow take culpability away from criminal acts. Isn't it difficult, whether it's Ohio or Massachusetts or across the country? Absolutely. In the late 80s in Ohio, they codified a battered wife syndrome defense, which basically means if a woman gets, you know, typically it's a woman, it doesn't have to be, but if someone gets beaten and things like that every time and then develop post-traumatic stress disorder, then that can be a defense, even in a murder. That's not a self-defense, so people a lot of times don't understand that. That's one of these things where typically a wife might walk in and she's a battered woman and all of a sudden she walks in out of the blue just shoots her husband. That was my first case, my introduction to that. That's what happened to my client in the law had just changed two years before and people

42:31weren't even thinking like that. Like, hey, if it's not defense, you just can't blow somebody away with a pistol, but that's exactly what she did. And eventually I use that defense successfully, arguably the first use of that in the state of Ohio, like Reddington. He was an early user of that. He was clancy's attorney, but he became very famous for that. You didn't get the credit. I did not. You're famous to us. So in the clancy trials, so we were just kind of talking about it. It was, there was no verdict because they couldn't come to an agreement on either guilty or innocent. And what we were talking about runaway juries, that's what you would call that. Yeah. Yeah. When a jury juror or jurors are not, they think they're not obeying the rules. The rules or the laws are given by the judge or the instructions. I should say instructions. They're not doing that. They call that a runaway jury or runaway juror.

43:34And that's exactly what that is. You know, in this case, you know, we think we never, we'll never know for sure, but apparently one of the jurors isn't obeying like the part about beyond a reasonable doubt if they're saying, well, there's a doubt, but I'm not doing anything about it. Apparently, that's what Reddington says and that's what we're sort of learning about it. Although we really don't know the nuances. Maybe he didn't explain the degree of doubt. Maybe he didn't think it was a reasonable amount of doubt. We'll never, we may never know for sure. And my big disappointment there was, you know, the judge only had them out like 30, I don't know, 30 odd hours. I mean, I think he could have just kept them out longer and they might have been able to come to a during decision now. So I would have like, if I were Reddington, I would have said, just keep them out longer. For some to work it out. Yeah, try. What are the limitations on that? I have been called to jury duty. I bet 10 times and never taken.

44:38Once it was clear, it was because of what I did or maybe what I've said or whatever in a couple of times it was they just didn't, then maybe they pled out or whatever. And then I even was called for a federal trial and then they kept me on waiting and waiting and kept calling back. And then like they must have settled that too or whatever. I don't know if it was identified personally, but what's interesting to me is when you're in there, which 12 alternatives are not in you're having a discussion just like the 12 angry men movie from forever ago, Jack Klutman, it was remade some years ago. How far do you go to get Vince and have a conversation with someone if they're not going the way you believe or the majority if it's just 11 to one? I mean, you kick them out. Do you get an alternative? Is it just what it is? No matter what if they're obstinate about it? I mean, because I could see where after weeks and weeks of sequestering or dealing with it, you might want to throw punch somebody goes, she's guilty or she's innocent. Whatever it is, I want to go home. Get off of me. $10 a day isn't enough.

45:39Well, there's a lot of fireworks. Sometimes I mean, I've tried hundreds of juries in my career and sometimes there are real fireworks. And you know, there's no rule about how long a jury can stay out. I had one somebody told me it was a record. It was almost three weeks that the jury was deliberating in the judge wanted a verdict and a murder so badly in my opinion. He just kept them out and kept them out. And finally, he came out the last time this one. Jera was almost hilarious. He couldn't even stand up and the jures on either side were holding her up and everybody in the court and sort of talking to each other like better collared quits now. Finally, after like two and a half weeks or whatever was Judge Norbert Nadel, he let him go. It was a hung jury on a pretty normally open and shut murder. And by the way, a hung jury is typically what defensive attorneys want. Because, you know, let's face it in our justice system. By the time you get to trial, the odds are pretty stacked against you.

46:42And if you're trying to hang a dream, I mean, I typically, when I question jurors before selecting them, I'll say, are you the type of person that can stick to your guns? If everyone else is against you, can you stick to your position? I'm really trying to build that in because if I can get a hung jury, you know, the case could be dropped or more than likely when it comes back, I'm going to be offered a sweetheart deal. Okay. This is what I wanted to ask you. Now, I know you don't give your opinion a ton. I probably will. Okay. You're having an effect on me. I probably will. I have everyone knows. Free consultation. It's always already talked about it. I've weird energy today. Okay. Do you think she should, a couple of things? Do you think she should have been found innocent or guilty? And then what's going to happen to the husband? Are they going to try and pull up some charges on him? What do you think? Okay. Well, first of all, the husband will do the easy one first. They're not, it's so unlikely they're going to charge him.

47:43I would say polymarket. I take whatever baby. I think they're going to get right now. See that? They can put all my life savings on it. They're not going to charge him. Okay. You know, they're already saying, you know, they already found a lawsuit saying medical malpractice, improper medication. Right. Everyone else's fault. Right. That it hers. And so they're not going to all say, oh, it's a husband. You see things on the internet like people are criticizing him. He makes $400,000 a year, but he bought her a key. She's driving a key. To find right. To find right. Do that to her. He never respected her at all. Yeah. What about that? Wait, wait, wait, wait. Yes, yes. I didn't want to. It's innocent or guilty. Should she have been found innocent? Well, I was going to push him, but yeah, you're like, you're going to be a bad country. Uh-oh. This is the kind of thing I can get in trouble over. Let me just say this that I will sort of avoid it. When 11 people say it, that doesn't mean the whole nation should agree or your listeners,

48:44whatever. But I mean, at that point, I mean, I better be careful. I don't know the true answer. It is so polarizing. Yeah. And I didn't get, I always tell people, when I try a case, sometimes I'll read about it in the newspaper. I don't even know it's my own case because it's different. Everybody's taking a different angle, you know, and you didn't hear the evidence. So I did not hear the evidence. Right. I mean, I do believe there is post-partum psychosis. It's only about 15 mothers that killed children in the United States. Their own children a year. I mean, that is so rare. I read that. I'm not sure that's accurate. It's horrific. It is what it is. What about the case here? There was the guy who gunned down his kids as boys. Not what about a year ago? Give her tape? In this case, more sympathy towards females than males having mental problems, but the bottom line is anyone who does that, respectfully, mental issues. It's not a criminal thing. I'm desperate I'm going to take something because I need to feed my family. That's not criminals doing criminal work.

49:45That's their job. This is a parent who's not right and done something. Whether they're crazy and insane because it's an inconceivable thought to most individuals. Right? Unless you're defending yourself, your family, your someone around you to take another life, they should never be allowed to walk free again in a mental facility or whatever else as far as I'm concerned at that point and that may not be legal. But reasonable and rational to me is once you've crossed that line, I can't trust you again in the big sandbox of life. You know, a couple of things. Number one on that triple homicide out in Kermont County originally that started out as a death penalty case. And you know, when I heard that, I'm like, there's no way that's going to stay that way because that guy, something's really wrong with him, doesn't mean he won't be convicted or murdered, but there's going to be enough of a problem. You know, in the high, I guess it's true throughout the nation or I know it's true. You know, if you're a certain level of mentally ill, even though you could be found guilty of murder, you can't get to death penalty if you're too far gone.

50:45So right away, I'm like, you shoot three kids. It's probably a good sign that you could be. And then what was the other thing that I'm going to do? Well, just in general about the idea that no one who does that, whether they're considered mentally competent or otherwise, should walk free again. Well, I mean, you may not need to go to Lucasville to live with the worst of the worst and be victimized another way, but clearly you're not taking correctly mentally. You are broken. Maybe we can get you healed, but you should never be out in the general population again. At least in my view, not that I'm king. Now, I think I think those are very valid thoughts. And a lot of people, that would be satisfying enough if somebody knew for most people in society, if a person was either put in jail for doing that or put in a mental institution forever. Now, you know, some people, you know, there's so many, especially women there are, you know, supporting clientsy. And you know, one of my thoughts would be, by the way, if she were just released, which she could be if she were found mentally incompetent and, you know, sent to a mental institution,

51:52she could be released. She's only 36 years old. I mean, she could get out, have more children. Yeah. And then what? Then what will we do? Well, I mean, I think if you do it once, I mean, this is extreme. That's horrifying right there. Well, I mean, I think you say you, I'm sorry. You know, the medical system failed you, whatever failed, you're not right. And that's unfortunate. And maybe we sterilize people so that you can't end up making more and do it again. It's a horrific scenario. I wouldn't let her adopt again. I mean, for whatever, you just, it's a breach of trust beyond the pain. You know what I'm saying? Nobody should have more kids if they just killed, killed their own. Well, do we have time to move on? About three minutes, which is enough to solve some of the problems. Yeah, yeah. I would like to mark Rumbines criminal defense attorney actually successfully successfully defended the first battered wife syndrome case in the state of Ohio. I think I stayed that correctly, right? Yeah, yeah. Maybe arguably, but it was either one of the first of the first many like legal people

52:52told me it was the first, but I don't know them for fact. I never tried to figure it out. He's a Cincinnati guy hanging out with this kind of, you're sterling and done a D on the big one. He's sitting next to me, right? And he's a criminal defense attorney. He's come up with all these brilliant ideas to get people off. What? Set him free. That's the way to set him. But your innocence will prove and guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And I would rather be tried by six, right? Or 12 and carried by six. Is that what the term is? Yeah, six everyday all day long. Well, so now we have two minutes. Ask questions. So there's another case and it's quite ugly. It's real housewives of Atlanta. I know you know a little bit about it, not a ton, better generality. This is everywhere. Like this kid, he's 15 years old. His name is KJ Beerman, a former NFL player for Atlanta Falcons. I believe and she's star real housewives of Atlanta. And I know this because I actually admittedly I watch. What is this? It's my guilty pleasure. I only watch two.

53:53Gotta have a hobby. Oh my gosh, I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I know this family and this kid is now up for seven counts of SA of a 15 of a, you know, fish. Sexual assault. Sexual assault. I say that. I'm acronymically challenged. I'm going to help people driving on 71 right now going SA, San and so on. Sexual assault. And so this kid went to, you know, Juby Prison or whatever. He just bonded out, but the, but the district attorney found all these videos of him, videos of him sexually assaulting a family member at 12 years old. So he just got bonded out. Apparently they knew this. The parents that he did this to a family member 12 months ago or so. At what point is it the parents responsibility for getting this kid help? Well, first of all, I think they would have to, well, they have a moral obligation, of course, to get the child help that's doing something to another child and protect the victim child.

54:54But, you know, there's also some could be some criminality involved. There's a modern trend that parents are being held responsible for their children's actions in criminal court. And we see that in these shooting cases, these horrific shooting cases where there's like mass shootings, school shootings exactly. They're handing their troubled child who's, you know, assault rifles. Assault rifles AK-47. Well, they get their energy out that way. And things like that in giving him access to dangerous weapons. And then all of a sudden, when there's three kids in high school shot, they're saying, oh, well, darn it. How would I predict that? But now some of these people are going to prison. You make a bad widget. You're culpable. If you make a defective product, if you make a defective child, at some point, until they're 18, you need to be held accountable, in my view, in some fashion. Yes. I think that's a modern, more of a modern trend. I mean, right now. And I think it will probably continue.

55:57The stuff that people are saying online about the mother is they are, everybody is just about had it. Because if you knew that your kid did this to one of your family members, which people are saying they did, at what point is it that you go get your kid help and you don't put them in a situation where he's out, you know, hanging out with young girls? Yeah. I think we're going to see more and more criminal prosecutions that are in really carefully looking into like, what did the parent know? Did they try to get help? And if they didn't, and some terrible things happen, you know, sometimes they may be held responsible. We start, and it's being codified, changing throughout the nation. More short time than it's also. From time to time. Don't wear his box, right? Because then you could argue if the kid gets bad grades, if they're true, and obviously there's some culpability for parents. You can go on down the line then where is it at some point the parent did their best,

56:59but it is just the way life happens. It's a weird argument. As a defense counsel, then you go in to defend the family saying, okay, hey, they did what they could with the kid. They've looked at the system. They've looked at the school things help. I mean, I could see how you could argue that all the way around. But I mean, you know, bad widget, bad kid, bad time or defend the victim on this. Right. Yeah, you can do that too. Dr. Donna in sterling hanging out and making wave for Kevin Car, soon, Mark Crumbeye, criminal defense counsel. Thank you for making time and coming in and talking about this. It's very complicated and a lot of layers and it's hard to make sense of. And you make it a little easier and thoughtful. Thank you, Sterling. Thank you, Donna. Thank you. Here in the studio with you. It's good to see you, man. Take care of yourself. All right. We'll come back. Your fourth or third report coming up. Kevin Car talking new movies later, Bangal stuff, reds later too. And again, thanks, Mark Crumbeye. Crumbeown defense attorney right here, Sterling and Donna D 700. W. Mom, are we there yet? 10 more minutes. Only 10 minutes. Can you drive slower? What's up with them today? Lingo kids. That app we downloaded last week?

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1:01:10He is everywhere all the time. And right now, was stirling in Dona D. Trags, how are you? Stirling Dona D, how are you doing? I'm doing well. I cannot wait for this season opener tomorrow. I'm actually heading over to get myself in the mood for football by covering bear cats and Western Carolina tonight. So it would be a fun weekend of football. Everywhere, it's a beautiful thing. How good is this Bengals team? Let's just start there because you know, prognosticators, prognosticators, all were better. We've got you know, Dr. Lawrence and everything else. And last year they started well and then it went bad. There was injuries. I am living better through lower expectations. I want to believe there is good as everyone's telling me, but you're in there. You're talking to people. You're watching. You're seeing stuff. Most of us don't. And this team is good as everyone's making it out to be. I think so. I hesitate a little bit. I definitely think they're better than last year.

1:02:12And I think they're certainly capable of playing complimentary football. Where are the offense? Joe Baro, Jamar Chase, T Higgins, at all. Don't have to carry the burden. Carry so much of the load for the entire team. That's why I think the Bengals are so much better. How many times did you guys watch the Bengals last year and say, if the Bengals don't score 27, 30 points, they have no shot because their defense wasn't capable of stopping the run or wasn't capable of tackling anybody like at the end of the Bears game. It should not be that way this year. And I think that's going to make a huge difference. Plus, I think the chemistry and the makeup of the locker room is significantly different. There are guys in there that aren't going to take any gruff from anybody. They're not going to take mediocre play lightly, which I think frankly might have been the case last couple of years. Now certainly the standard has been raised and it's up to the Bengals to meet that standard. And I think they certainly, if they're best players, guys, play, if they're best players,

1:03:17are they're best players, then the Bengals should definitely make the playoffs. Oh, that is so exciting. And so I was just talking to Sterling about this because he is, he doesn't let himself get too excited because the let down is super, super hard for him. I'm fragile about the Bengals. You're all of the Bengals fan. You know, 100%. So what happens if they don't get the win from Tampa Bay tomorrow? I mean, what what happens to fan enthusiasm? I know it would be the first game, but it really will be important for us to win this one tomorrow. I agree, Donna. I think that the point tomorrow is they need to come out and defend home turf. They need to come out and act like they only have a regular season home games, which is the case. And if this team wants to go where I think it wants to go, they want a challenge for the number one seed in the AFC to have no road games in the playoffs.

1:04:20Should they be fortunate enough to get there? You've got to be a midling Tampa Bay team at home. You just have to do that. I don't care that it's week one. All the football cliches are certainly out there about week one is so unpredictable. You see some of the best teams in the NFL lose. You see offenses that are supposed to be high powered get off to really slow starts. All of that may be true, but the reason I'm optimistic about the Bengals is, and they, you know, Dan picture their offensive coordinator talked about it this week. I asked Zach Taylor about it this week. They should be able to find different ways to win games this year, more ways to win games. And they should be able to, you know, kind of look like a chameleon, make their offense, fit whatever it is that's needed to win that particular week. And I think that's a good sign for the Bengals. Talking to Trags, you can see him everywhere on social Trags on X. He also has the CLNS

1:05:21Sinsi.com columnist there talking Bengals and ESPN 15 30 junkie jungle, Rwar podcast. Is this Bengals team? We don't talk about extra Lawrence to talk about the defense, you know, all the upgrades. I'm curious about, I guess a change. I don't want to say evolution, but we've seen different pieces and parts and where Joe Burrow is and what they have without offensive line. What type of evolution or a growth will we see with this offense as they get to in it? Because we've seen when they click in the past, they almost seem like it's slow motion. It's really odd to watch the defense try to react to them. How much and how will they get different and better? I think it's great question sterling. And I think the easiest answer is they should be able to run the ball better and play power, put ball better, win it, the line is scrimmage better. Certainly when you have Joe Burrow, Jamar chase and T again, they're going to be passing the ball more than they run the ball. But when they do run the ball, they have to run with purpose.

1:06:23They can't just run as a decoy to their passing game. If you know what I mean, they have to be serious about committing to the run, especially if they have the lead in the fourth quarter, like they're hoping to, they should be able to run out the clock, shorten the game on the opposition when the Bengals have the lead. That is one of the big keys in the National Football League to winning teams. Teams that can shorten the clock, play with the lead effectively. And one way to do that is to run the ball effectively. That's where I think you're going to see the biggest transformation in this Bengals team. This coming season, not only running the ball, but throwing the tight ends more, short passes to gain just enough yardage to move the chains, get that first down and keep the clock going when you have the lead. To me, that's one of the things I would be looking at for a little bit of a change in the offense this year. So Mike, I or Trags, I, you know, I noticed that obviously everybody's talking good about

1:07:29Bengals. Everybody's saying they look really good, including the entire team. They say they have everything they need. They were undefeated in preseason. Tampa Bay is not an easy win. This is a tough team too. What do you think is Tampa Bay going to do to try and beat the Bengals tomorrow? They're going to put it on the shoulders of Baker Mayfield, their quarterback who is 3 and O lifetime against Joe Burrow. As I wrote in my preview for seal on Sincere.com for whatever that's worth because quarterbacks don't play each other. That's quarterbacks play the opposing defense. But Baker Mayfield is undefeated against the Bengals. He is somebody who always seems to find a way to make a play down field when the play breaks down. As it often does in the NFL, you want to be able to have a quarterback who can make something up on the run literally and figuratively. And I think Baker Mayfield offers that threat. Mecca Ubuca, former star wide receiver at Ohio State, a lot of Buckeye fans know

1:08:32him. He is certainly one of their top weapons on offense. And certainly on defense, one of their cornerbacks gave the Bengals some locker room bulletin board material this week saying it'll be great when we intercept them three or four times. So, I'm expecting, look, Tampa Bay is expecting Joe Burrow to Marchace and T Higgins to test their defense early and often. And Tampa Bay knows that and they're coming in thinking, okay, they're going to be throwing the ball all over the field because we were one of the worst Tampa Bay that is. Was one of the worst past defenses in the NFL last year. Not very well maybe the case, but if the Bengals can keep them off balance and maybe, you know, sure, take your shots down field, but have a running game like I mentioned earlier, where you have chase Brown, breaking off 10, 12, 15 yard runs, that really will keep the defense honest.

1:09:33Tracks, is we look at this when we talk about Dexter Lawrence, we talk about the upgrade in the defense and so on. How much of a difference from preseason matchups to week one is there because they do look so much better, but I realize it's not preseason anymore. Week one, the week 17 or 18, whatever it is now, it's totally different energy in some fashion, no matter how much talent and how aggressive in tuning up these guys have been to this point before 1 o'clock tomorrow. Conditioning, sterling the biggest thing to keep an eye on tomorrow is it's going to be 84, which isn't too ridiculous, but it's going to be incredibly humid. We've had a very humid week, Bengal sat a couple of there veterans this week during practice on Thursday because Thursday I think was something like 80 degrees with 75% humidity. It was, you know, really disgusting. That's the day DJ Turner tweaked his hammy a little bit and a lot of people were like,

1:10:36oh, no, we can't lose one of our starting corners turned out he's fine. He's going to be able to play and start tomorrow. The conditioning is the thing I would keep a close eye on tomorrow. One of the things that the Bengals try to address in the offseason with their defense is not just bring in one or two or three stars. Rebuild the defensive line so you can have wave after wave after wave come in there, get after the quarterback. Even when it's not hot and humid, defense is tend to wear down if all you're doing all day long is trying to get after the quarterback. The Bengals now believe they have two to three quality waves of personnel they can put in there and avoid, you know, wearing down late in the game and not being able to get after the quarterback when you need to get after the quarterback. And certainly that is something I would watch tomorrow is the keyton, especially the humidity could play a factor. Oh, we were talking about Bengals defense, but this Tampa Bay defense has had some

1:11:39struttles, but they've made some changes in schemes and the way they put that together. How much of that worry does the Bengals offense have facing them because they're trying to prove themselves in a different way. And obviously also they're trying to get to the promised land of playoff NFL football come winter cold time. So the matchup I would watch very closely tomorrow is Ruben Bane Jr. the first round pick out of the University of Miami going up against Orlando Brown Jr. who had a bit of a rough spell against the Detroit Lions. Now, Zach Taylor explained to us yesterday that there were some extenuating circumstances, some personnel call and play calls that kind of exposed Orlando in an unfair manner that they wouldn't normally call during a regular season game. That very well may be the case, but still a lot of people want to see Orlando Brown Jr. protect Joe Burrow's blind side effectively to start the season.

1:12:40Right from the get go, fans want to see Joe Burrow back there having time to throw the ball all over the field and not running for his life and not getting crunched in a pile and suffering a sprained big toe, turf toe that required surgery in the second game of last year. So I want to see Joe Burrow under the rest. So how does Orlando Brown Jr. the starting left tackle hold up against Ruben Bane Jr. And how will Ted Caris after a spring or I should say training camp filled with dealing with Dexter Lawrence? How will he handle Vita Vega who is the Tampa Bay answer to Dexter Lawrence. Their massive nose tackle in the middle of their defensive line. So that's another matchup to watch very closely tomorrow. Talking to Mike Petralia, you can find him on YouTube also at Jungle Roar Pod, which is the Jungle Roar podcast that you put the pieces together. It makes sense even for me. I started hanging out with a lot of detox and little Bengals football. Of course Tampa Bay's Buckeneers in town tomorrow, one o'clock kick off pay core.

1:13:44Special teams is always one of those things. You know, because you talk about, okay, well, you know, there's kicking game. There's obviously defending on kickoffs and everything else. This Bengals team has seemingly done some upgrading there as well or are my delusional. Well, what they've done is I think they've grown into a consistent unit that now has guys with continuity. Evan McPherson, like Jamar Chase is entering his sixth NFL season. Evan McPherson came off the best preseason he's ever had. Eight for eight in field goals, seven for seven in extra points. He had a pair of 58 yard field goals. He had a 56 yarder. He looks incredibly sharp coming into the season and he feels confident and he's their special teams captain. Ryan Rico, the punner, is coming into a second full season with the Bengals and he looks really good. He had I think four or five months inside the 20 against the Bears in the second preseason

1:14:47game. He's had a good training camp and a good preseason and they believe that if Ryan Rico can get in the habit of pinning teams back, that's another weapon that takes some of the burden off Joe Burrow in company because if you have a really good defense and you have special teams that are reliable and tackle well, which I think they do, then you're really talking about an all around fundamentally sound team. That's one of the reasons I think quietly, Zach Taylor feels very good about the personnel on this team. Now, before we let you go, I always like to ask this because I know enough to know that I don't know enough and Don is like you certainly don't know enough. All the time, I have to ask what did we not ask you that you think is being overlooked or not discussed about this Bengals team where it gets real tomorrow in a tamp in town with a 1 o'clock kickoff at pay core on ESPN 1530 and WWE BN. Watch for the linebackers and the safeties because one area that the Bengals struggled

1:15:52last year was over the middle tackling linebacker play. Both Barrett Carter and DeBeatrice Night Junior are in their second NFL seasons. Also Jordan Battle now has a new running mate in the secondary in Brian Cook, the local kid from Mount healthy and UC and two time Super Bowl winner with the chief. To me, if the Bengals are solid up the spine of their defense, they are going to be lights out and that's what I would be looking for starting tomorrow. Here's what I'll predict. Pay core is going to be jam packed at one o'clock tomorrow watching the game. Don't worry, Johnny D. Everybody will be there. Yes, I am ready. I am so ready. What are you going to cheer? What are you going to cheer when Jamar Chase catches a 32 yard pass down field? This is a trivia question. If you've been paying attention this week, Jamar Chase wants fans to chant this when he catches

1:16:56a pass down field. Not key, but blur. Blur. Is he a blur? Blur. Is everyone going to do it? Let's practice it. Ready? Blur. Blur. It's like hook on phonics. Assassin's Street again. I love it. Blur. Blur. Blur. All right. Let's see. Jungle Roar Podcasts. You can find that on the X. You get the CLNSC.com. You got the Bengals writing there and red stuff and UC and Xavier and I mean, everything, of course. And then the Jungle Paw Roar Podcast on YouTube. Anything else before you let you go that I've forgotten that I've not mentioned because I can't remember all of it. And Donna just gives me tons of copious amounts of information. On the X at Trags, T-R-A-G-S, and I'm good. There you go. Thanks guys. You are good. Thank you for making time. Take care of yourself. Huckle was Trags giving us some time. Yeah, that's awesome. That's good. Five-third of reports straight away. More sterling and Donna D taking up to six and then after that, we'll kick the door open

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1:21:03The Bangles play Tampa at one. US Open finals. There are versus Blake Shelton, the American. That's going to be a really you know, Mattennis fan. You are. It's going to be a really good match tomorrow. Huge. Two o'clock. So lots of sports, all the smokes. Regs later, Reg tomorrow, trying to, I mean, you know, I got to, they got to win. There's a guy got to win. You were talking about something off here that I didn't realize. I didn't even know she was still doing the show. So that puts you, let you know where I'm at in general. Talk about Judge Judy. You're going nuts. Well, here's the thing. I finally start to understand Judge Judy at the age of 57. She's been on air for 30 years doing this show. And she's retiring. And it's like I'm just starting to understand because I always thought she was like so over the top like quiet. I'm talking. You don't talk or I mean, she was always so abrasive. But I get her now. She wants, I'm asking you a question. Do you ask? I mean, she gets to the hardest stuff. And the only way to do that is to be as direct as possible.

1:22:07And I just love her. I'm going to be nice if you could act that way in every other aspect of your life because if it's not your courtroom or it's not your child in your home that you're talking that way to a lot of bad things. Can be yes. Yeah, I mean, because you can't just if I'm like out at the store later after I leave here. And somebody's just yippin, yap, and I'm like just get it up high. I got a goal. You can't do that in the real world. I have said repeatedly on this show and beyond that Jack Nicholson's character in as good as I guess was very misunderstood. He wanted to cut the small talk and get to the real stuff. And I totally get that now in my 57 years on this plan. Well, what's interesting is that you finally got into the point where you understand judge duty. Now, you understand somebody in a courtroom setting having to deal with that. And you got to filter through the static and all the unnecessary BS to finally get to something that matters. She's heard everything. Yeah.

1:23:07She says, I've heard everything. There's nothing you're lying. I don't believe you. I mean, she tells it like it is and it's amazing. And she's retiring, which I'm bummed about. So as much as things change and we as they say, we evolve as a people or AI is evolving and everything else that goes with that, the weird thing is that people seemingly don't. Because that show, I mean, if you check it today compared to when it started, I mean, other than hairdos and glasses and clothes, it's just a bunch of dumb stuff. Yeah. The same stupid things with over and over and over again. Nobody learns the lesson. It's crazy. I know it is ridiculous. Some of the stories are like, okay, I can see why she gets like stop talking. I can see why she gets that way because they're ridiculous. All they want to do is let out frustration and she's there for the facts. Well, what's weird is that grownups end up acting and holding resentment and bitterness and things that really matter that you end up going to court.

1:24:07Let alone TV court, right? Because people are just preoccupied with stuff that doesn't matter. We are just kids with cars in money. Yes. That's all. Yes. I preach sterling. I mean, seriously. I don't have an answer for you. I just, I'm saying that's it's seemingly what we are. It's weird. It really is. You know what? You would think that this would be the opposite because we had this whole AI conversation earlier about how it's going to be the end of humans. Yeah. I'm going to be into this decade. Well, I read a stat that is sobering actually to pun intended. America's sober streak continues. Alcohol consumption in 2026 is the lowest level in 90 years. You know why? Why? Weed. Oh, is that why? Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. I think a lot of people are probably getting medication and they may be lying. Although, if it's a poll, but if you talk to people in the business of brewing and distilling

1:25:07and so forth, they're going through some transition. But I think a lot of it is the legalization of recreational marijuana. That is probably the answer. I really a lot of people eat gummies and you know, sip and honey, a smokin' sip to win. Really? Really? THC drink that has no alcohol in it. So it is THC. That's it. I'm doing my part. I'm going to go home and get a glass of wine for sure. Well, yeah. I've had the craziest day. Nothing wrong with a little Vino. You know, what's interesting to me though is the other side of it. Does that mean that people are driving less affected, more responsible behind the wheel, not going out and drinking in restaurants? Because a lot of restaurants, of course, make a lot of money. Hopefully, on beer and wine and so forth, the spirits and so forth in restaurant businesses, depending on where you are, or sort of in a transitional period too, with cost as well as lifestyle. Yeah. It's true. No, I would say that is a very good point. There are plenty of good things to not drinking alcohol.

1:26:09There are no redeeming benefits to drinking alcohol. None. Zero. I don't care what anybody says. In everything in moderation. Well, no. That is the argument for some people that, yes, that is. There are no, and I still, like I said, I will go home and have a glass of wine. But I, I think it's really good. Scott Galway, do you know who he is? His professor, he's pretty big now. He talks about how kids should still drink because he's so social. He's the opposite of the non-alcohol. He should drink. Because it's so social and there's so many people, this is the flip side of that. Like I think it's great that people are not drinking alcohol. I really do. For whatever reason it is, I think it's great. But he says there's people that don't drink and there's already lonely and they're socially awkward and everybody's on their computers. And so they don't get out. Drinking is a way to get out and be social. You go to the side. Because what are the angles? So we drink to lower our inhibitions when we're out or to sort of loosen us up and have

1:27:12a good time. Yes. Right. So instead, people are on their devices at the house or sitting across from each other and not talking is what you're saying? They should drink more. You and I have gone out and had a cocktail. I believe yours was a rum and coke or something. I'm sorry. Jack and Coz. I like my whiskey. And I always have a glass of wine. You want to go too. And I mean, not like we don't laugh the whole three hours of every show we do anyway. But it was fun here. Maybe when we're talking about the end of the world. Right. Which is good reason to drink. You know what I wonder too? When I was a kid, I would go to a friend's house aside from like, you know, holidays, whether it's religious holidays or otherwise. And it might be, you know, a wine within her or a drink and then, you know, you want a glass of wine. At some point, there was like, I was offered a glass of wine and I was not like grown yet. I was like, what the hell was happening here? Oh my gosh. Manish habits. Right. Right. Whatever. And I'm like, I can only sip that. That's fine. I'm fine. And I have friends, you know, they go to mass or whatever and they'll have a little

1:28:13bit here or there. And it was different. It was a story. Everybody knew where you could find someone who would sell you beer underage, right? Or you knew where you could get your bottle here or there. Somebody's mom or dad, they'd have parties. Graduation time, the late 80s, early 90s. You would have parents that would invite the kids over, take the car keys, have a keg and maybe a band in the backyard or whatever. Graduation time for me, party after party. There was a whole lot of that today. You worry about jail and death and carnage being sued billable hours. I mean, there's a ton of things. Yeah. Parents are a little bit more responsible now. Most of them are then, then back then when you didn't really get in trouble for stuff like that. But that's the times that have changed. I mean, I, I don't know anyone that has alcohol parties for their kids now. Well, I don't know that, yeah, that, and even I remember telling my mom, they're like, what'd you guys do? And she went to live. I said, okay, what's the graduation party they had beer and everything? She goes, they did not. Really? No, we didn't drive though. If somebody else drove sober, you know what I'm, you're not supposed to be, I know, I

1:29:15know. And she tell, she doesn't, she didn't believe us. That they gave us. No, she's like, you're kidding me. I'm like, no, yeah, that's what the keys are. I would never do that. I'm like, yeah, well, yeah, that's why we're not hanging out at your house, mom. By the way, happy new year. Or as they say, you are Rosh Hashan is a Shannatova. Very nice. Very nice. All of our Jewish friends. Yeah, it's a new year. A couple days of it here in the States and in ways socialists. And it's only half of me. So I don't care what the faith, I want all the holidays, the drinking holidays, the not drinking holidays. You can give me all the. They have a tone that I need some tone. Absolutely. Yeah, there's a whole lot of that. So do you think that we're, are our younger people drinking less? Yes. Are they? That's where the numbers are really going down. Millennials and beyond. So is it a straight edge thing or is it that they're doing different things? That's what I wanted. I don't know if it's the weed in the younger generation. I think they can't get it legally. Possibly in our generation, maybe a little bit younger than maybe that, that is the

1:30:17case. Is it more weed than wine or something? I mean, I know a lot of seniors now, aside from medical wise that you go places, even through the neighborhood walking the dog and all these older people that come, hey, how you doing it? And they're smoking out. They're like eight years old, 75 years old. I'm walking my dog through the neighborhood. And they're like, yeah, and they're like, oh, it's great with a pain. And I'm like, okay, I have a neighbor that burns it all the time. I'm walking by her house, her house. Yeah. I'm walking by her house and the smell is just heavy duty. And here's what she does. So I know it's her smoking. She'll talk to me and I'll tell her I can't hear her because she's way up on the, she parks her, her little chair up on the way up on the deck and she'll talk to me and she'll say hi to my dog. And she'll still be talking to me, Sterling and I'll be, I'll tell her. And there's something going on over there for sure. Whether it's cocktails or something else. Listen, when you get to be her, I mean, she's probably 68 or 70.

1:31:18Do whatever you want. Do whatever you want. She's not hurting anybody. Yes. As long as you're responsible and handle your business. And I do believe most things in moderation, but it was just different times. I remember this killed me when I went to interview for a job in New Orleans. I left here, went to New Orleans before coming back years ago now. And one of the things in the interview, they took me to a drive through Dacquery stand. I never heard that. And we're there and I go through you. You want something because they were trying to show me all the interesting things about New Orleans. I'm going to work and it's like 180 degrees and about that much humidity. I'm like, I don't, this is like living in a sauna. I don't think this is going to happen. I didn't even want a job, but they suckered me in and I went for a while. But but it was amazing in that circumstance. So you'd pull into the drive through, they give you a Dacquery and a straw in the cup and on the road you were. Wow. Right. You can take it in the car and not supposed to do it. I think there's pretty good laws about that.

1:32:19I mean, that was crazy. That's crazy. Yeah. And I'm like, welcome to Louisiana. I was a little taken back and troubled by that. So my guess is if they're drinking less, it might be safer there back in Daytona Beach. Like I didn't drink until my adult life. I never had any alcohol really at all. I did. But I was a bartender and spring break at this club called Razzles in Daytona Beach. And they used down the street. There was a fun bar on the beach and they used to call it a pain in the ass. We used to go get every now and then once in a great moon. It was peanut collada and rum runner and the reason why it was called pain in the ass because one machine was all the way at the other way. I didn't make it and everybody ordered it. It was so fun. I mean, that's what you do when you're in New Orleans. New Orleans spring break. Travel. Yeah. Yeah. And good times. And in college and stuff, I mean, I remember hanging out with friends who were going to UC because I was a right state kid. We'd come down and you know, there were just different times in different experiences that

1:33:22sort of go along with that. You know, again, I think don't hurt anybody. Be responsive. Right. Handle your business. Be a good example for your kids. And I have some friends who were in the spirits business and they're coming up with new ways of trying to get people excited and venture into their world and try their beverages. I mean, it's just a conscious. It's going to have to be. They're going to have to come up with some marketing stuff. Wait, it goes. Have fun time today. Oh my gosh, Sterling. So fun. Great stuff. The podcast will be up, Dr. Donna Schleik earlier, talking about the day after 9-11 and how our lives changed and continued like that ticker and that 24 hour news service. I mean, think of all the 24 hour news. Anyone who's younger than 30 doesn't know. Right. There was not, there were CNN and then everything else has, it happened. And then everything full on changed after 9-11. It was nonstop breaking news and it's never changed from that point. The clock, the clock, the clock, the crawl or the ticker, the 24 hour news and everything else. No bangles tomorrow. Let's do it. Thank you, Shae for thank you for you. You see a talk on A.I.

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