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Sunday morning, sun is shining. On the streets of Paris, welcome along. I'm Alfie Reynolds,

and for our six nations debrief, what are six nations? It has been, by the way,

what a super Saturday it was to my right hand side. I've got Wilkella here.

Got Charlie Morgan straight in front of me. And to my left Alex Lowe, right Alex? Good morning.

Lads, what a super Saturday. Do we sound a bit like we're a bit gone? We're a bit lacking in sort of

energy and pep, maybe. I feel like we're probably still brain scrambled a little bit. That's how I feel

anyway. It seems wheelie beans are low over the place. Coming to our senses. I'm glad we're outside

in the fresh air as you say, pep us up a bit, but you're right. I'm nearly being reversed in

too, so yeah, that's like broadcasting, but no, it was a phenomenal, phenomenal Saturday, a fantastically

gripping tournament that came. It couldn't have come closer to the wire if we'd have scripted it,

right? Can I ask Alex a question? And this is going to sound a bit like when Holly Willoughby asked

the nation, when that Phillips Gofield stuff was kicking off, but how are you? Mate, are you

like me? So Alex has had to do the on the whistle match report and that has got to be the most

savage. I think that was the hardest on the whistle report that I've had to do. You talked to

guys like Matt Dickinson, old colleagues of ours who was covering Man United when he was in the

Champions League in 99, where their live copy, it's on deadline, so their writing is the games going

and they're starting to write that Ferguson's messed up and he's got the tactics all wrong and then

bang bang, United win it with two goals in an injury time and they've got to rewrite everything

in about three minutes. Yesterday, I couldn't even commit to one take. My job was to find a

match report on the final whistle, so we would do it as what we call a runner, so I'd said a chunk

at half time, sort of runner placed off through the game, but then the top, which is obviously the

key bit, it depends what happens. At one stage, I had three different versions, I was trying to

write at once. The version of England collapsing to another horrible defeat, I was able to

bend that one fairly early, but I still had two versions on the go, which is quite common. One

England pull out a sensational win and one England lose with some dignity and every time I started

to work on one of them, something happens, like just working on England winning and then France

score, and so I got about ten minutes from time and neither were quite where they needed to be.

No second screen? No second. No second screen. Yeah, of course.

So we had the final kick of the game, and it could easily be the difference between whether

C-Worth it carries on as being in the coach or not. It wasn't just the result, but it was the

consequences of it. I've not had a match where I've been doing the whistle report that has been

that tight, but also with the potential fallout from it as well. If England win and suddenly France

have lost twice and it's chaos and knives out in Paris, England almost do it, but then you have

to remind yourself that they still lost. Yes, it cuts really adrenaline of the occasion to just

remind yourself, the moment of clarity, they still lost the game. They've still lost four games

this championship. It's still their worst ever six nations and their worst championship

terms of defeats for 50 years. So it might finish with a bit of a high, relative high, but it's

still really, really poor and you couldn't lose sight of that either, even among the kind of chaos

and the fireworks and the disco lights in the standard France. So it was, yeah, it was mad and

got back about 2 a.m. So late that even the bars of Paris are chopped. That's not because you

went out and had 10 pints. That was just the mix zone finished it, what, the rarity or something

and rewrites. They love a late kickoff as we learned well at the World Cup and yesterday was

another one, as you say, getting back to the hotel in the early hours. So we, as I said previously,

we're on the streets of Paris, quite literally, set outside a little cafe here, lots of people walking

past the sun is shining, blue skies. We will try and get into everything over Super Satay, although

there is an awful lot to try and unpack. We'll start off in Paris, France, the champions,

England with a spirited display. I mean, maybe before we dive into England a little bit more,

it's got to be the greatest end to a six nations ever, isn't it? It's clock in the red

championship on the line, penalty from quite far out and Tomorama steps up to knock it over.

Do we run back to Ireland's performance? Ireland's performance, I think, worthy of them being in the

mix to stay in the mix of champions into that last game. Some monster performances from their

big players, Ty Burm was phenomenal, Caden Doris was phenomenal, Stuart McCloskey, both sizable

and bearing one. We were watching this game in a brasserie, weren't we? I'll be having some.

On your laptop? On my laptop having sort of the VPN issue and everything like that, but

that was a really impressive performance. Then we had Wales kind of, I think, getting what they

probably deserved for their improvement over the course of the championship. And then you want to,

we saw enough from France to sort of have them crowned, I think, as well. But you're right,

to have England put up such a kind of thrilling fight and for France to still prevail with

what that meant to the crowd. You mentioned that someone mentioned the disco lights earlier.

It is so intoxicating, but they know how to put on show by me. It was the last day that the

championship deserved. It has been compelling the whole way through because every round has had

a statement. There's had a story, there's had a twist or a surprise or a statement performance.

And then that theme continued right up to the last day and Wales delivering, as you say, Charlie,

like they, they finish this competition in, I reckon, we weigh more credit than England.

Even though they end up on the same point of the same number of wins, you can see how that

team are growing and developing. Ireland's performance was out of this world, I thought, I guess,

I thought Scotland played well and yet Ireland were awesome. And then it comes down to a game

in Paris which twisted and turned the whole way through right up to the end. It was the finale

that the six nations deserved, I thought. It was, I can agree wholeheartedly and just say that

I think that was the most astonishing match have ever been at. France, England, there's just

ridiculous 94 points. And as you say, clock in the red, I kicked not just the win the game

but the championship and all the context around that to have a Sean Edwards defense that's

conceded 96 points in two games and won the title. And it was flashbacks all over the place because

it reminded you of Leon 2024 when Benl, No Arms Tackle and Ramos kicks the goal for 33-31. It

reminded me in a completely different context of Pollard's long kick in the semi-final at the

same venue almost in exactly the same position on the field. Jamie George referenced that in the

16-15, that's a quite a different scoreline from 46-48 but yeah. And there was a shout that we

were developing I suppose a few weeks ago where we thought that we could end this championship

with every coach being under pressure or annoyed or each country in their different way being

unsatisfied by the six nations. And now we've almost flipped it to the point where the only team

now unsatisfied is England, right? Because France even though they didn't deliver a slam have

gone back to back titles for the first time since 067. Ireland who looked gone broken dead

on the floor in round one have raised themselves to a great triple crown level. They've clearly

play Fandy Farrell so much there and they've discovered new players like McCloskey albeit he's

been around for ages who's one of the players of the tournament. Scotland, I didn't know they're

probably leaving on a slump but if they zoom out they go some one of the great days against France,

another amazing victory against England, Italy if had one of their best ever six nations

albeit losing at the end and then Wales won. Yeah. First time in three championships so

we'll get deeply into England I'm sure but I think your reference to Leon is particularly

relevant because if you rewind to those two years England were playing a risk averse for the

program to brand the rugby and they then went to follow week in York and had some pretty open

conversations the players made it known what they felt and they came out of that follow week with

a different attitude and they went to Leon and they they went toe to toe with France and they lost

a they lost it at the death and while it was a defeat it felt like the birth of a new waving

and playing and you could transpose that championship to this one or that this one went deeper

into the negative I guess but England were playing they started well they got punched on the nose

against Scotland and reacted by going tighter more risk averse more programmed and and they lost

all their identity to the point where they hit the rock bottom with the first defeat by Italy

they went to Verona and they were very clearly some pretty significant conversations had and

just joining the dots I really suspect that this was player led and I'm not saying there's a revolt

it doesn't have to be a revolt but so a lot of the feedback we've been getting is that the leaders

in this England setup haven't been as commanding or challenging as as they would as they probably

should be it's been a bit teacher pupil relationship I think particularly after they lost to Scotland

and the way that Marrow when he spoke to us on Thursday he made a point which jumped out to me

and we said this game here in Paris is about character not about strategy or game plan it's

about character not about we'll take a scrum there and a line out there and kick there and the

immediate inference to me as well that's different therefore was last week the week before more the

opposite more about strategy and and plan rather than heart and fit and feel and therefore I

want I wouldn't be a tall surprise if the players have gone right we need to own this which is a

good thing by the way that's not a later it's a good thing own it they've come out and they own

their performance and they played with feel and vision defensively suspect but with the ball

they showed really what they what they had also showed in Leon two years ago what this England

team can do if they actually take the shackles off and go for it I think that's going to be the

question is it for a lot of England fans yesterday would be where on earth has that performance been

in the three games previously I think there are really sharp ways with which you can contrast

certainly the performance in Rome and the performance in in Paris and you can do that from a

tactical point of view just because just with the sheer open-mindedness of how they attacked

and that was that was crystallised for me seconds into the game Elliot Daley took the ball took

a pullback from Finnsmith shaped to Groverin in behind France moved the ball to Caden Murley

Carrie they zigzag back and then on the next phase the decision is the is a better decision to

kick on that phase and then Tommy Freeman nearly they nearly score within seconds so there's a

little bit more open-mindedness of kick return and then the other thing that they had they didn't

have in Rome clearly that selection of a third lock which gives the line-out variety

more scope to trouble defenses and that's so important we saw those two with those two tactical

changes and the attitude I think that's hugely significant that almost revamps the entire side now

you would say that England are naturally going to develop and become more cohesive and therefore

effective over the course of six nations with time together however that doesn't to me excuse

how poor they were I would say more so against more so against Ireland that's that's the game

that sticks out to me as being unacceptably flat and almost emblematic of how this side of sort of

oscillated during it it's like they've had five world cup cycles within the world cup cycle it's

it's really strange and just not being ever able seemingly to build on a campaign and go up

another level that to me is why this this has to be aligned in the sand this this Paris game has to

be aligned in the sand and a baseline certainly thinking about their attacking game and their and

their attitude to attack as well but this is the thing Charlie isn't it is that I think the frustration

for us that follow England and the people that come pay their money and support them is that

how many lines in the sand do you need yeah like line of the sand Fiji 2023 before the World Cup

line of the sand Leon that York trip well sort of after that Murrayfield game where they couldn't

catch a cold and then responded line of the sand after November 2024 that then got worse because

they lost to Ireland away start 25 line of the sand again after Ireland line of the sand after Scotland

line of the sand after Italy like how many bloody lines in the sand do you need lads like come on

and the second bit of it is that it was something maybe he was just reaching for something to say

last night Steve Borswick but he yet again mentioned all that proves that what we can do and got

time together and you say I'm sorry mate but that is not acceptable that it takes eight weeks 10

weeks together to produce something coherent France have the same system and they actually got

worse through the tournament didn't they it also doesn't really make any sense because he's

saying that that the key days they really were waiting for with a days and thrown in between losing

to Italy and playing France like so as you're saying if it had one more week that have been

that last few days is what made the difference like I don't buy that tall and then the second

bit is that spinning off what you were saying there about us chatting to a towjet staff from say

last Thursday he there was a sort of follow up question I asked him which he couldn't really answer

and it was probably a difficult one because he probably can't exactly say what he really thinks but

the fundamental question with England is why does it always take this bottoming out to

reset like why can't they be a team that resets when they've put in a six out of ten performance they

have to wait until it's a one or a two to then go right now we're going to get it sorted like it

it feels like they go in these long waves of performance and that's not just being a portrait

thing that's been a 20 year thing and and and if you're really going to hammer that point home and

this is a point that Stuart Barnes has made in his in his piece suggesting that it's time to move on

from both of us is that actually what does the what does this newfound open mindedness mean when

actually there's nothing tangible to play for apart from the game yeah no other option

do we think that was it for England that pressure is off six nations that's that he'd done

they'd hit rock bottom so therefore there was a freeing of the shackles which meant they attacked

in the way that they did might be in a factor I think the I think balancing that there is the

fear factor of if that hadn't worked they could have been torn apart really quite and really

quite badly humiliated there is something in and this again not an excuse because they were

ways around this and with hindsight would you have looked at a the 10 12 13 more often if not

from the start of this tournament if you've figured that that was going to be a a combination with

a bigger ceiling but the total change from Rome they were sort of predictably rusty in Rome

for a backline that was totally sort of I'm revamped in an unprecedented way and then they got

better because if you stick with something likely it is it does get better and it did because so

funny isn't it how I find particularly with international rugby you can often tell so early in

the game of what it's going to be like I think I said this point at Murrayfield will after the

Scotland game early on in that Scotland game you you just got a sense of this is going to be a

tough day for England and I was sat next to colleague of ours Rob Kitson at the game yesterday and

after 60 seconds I turned to Rob and said that was a better one minute than England had produced in

the three games previously like you could just tell that everything was sharper and then it goes

back to the question that I asked previously on where where on earth was that performance but

it's so frustrating but also so strange of how a team can fluctuate so dramatically between

performances every element of the game immediately looks sharper looks slicker the physicality the

defense the intensity all look better yesterday straight away and as you say it's so it's so bizarre

when you see this England team and actually is this where we can give them credit and be positive

about them and say look it's obvious that they've got it in them and it's obvious actually like

so lots of the criticism of Steve Boerthook when he talked to people who know him or have seen

the environment is that the more under pressure he gets the more he takes on himself and doesn't

empower other coaches because it's like I think he's very hard on himself but he's very

self-critical and very almost like beats himself down quite a lot I think with his sort of like

betterment coaching philosophy and always trying to get better thing but sometimes he is proving

that if he empowers other people or lets others take the reins a bit more whether that's the

players whether that's lead black it whether whatever it can be the ceiling of it can be higher it

doesn't all need to be taken on him and sort of shrink the whole thing down it can be opened up

like a response to it doesn't need to be shutting everything down and almost bringing the floor up

and the ceiling down it can be like why don't we expand both and see where we get to like it was

something that Shane Warren used to say about cricket wasn't it like you've got to be prepared to

lose a game to win it sometimes and maybe there's a bit of that in there too that this can be a

learning experience for England they like those but you know what I mean they're like it doesn't

need to just all kind of collapsing on itself every time in order to grow I think the really

important thing now is there's still a kind of a certain headiness around that 80 minutes but

the or a few in their review cannot ignore what happened in the weeks before it I think that

really deep into that is now critical because there's enough red flags through the championship to

show that there are issues that need to be that have not been rendered irrelevant by exactly a wild

yeah final game yeah and where does this leave England then because as you say Alex it was

amazing game amazing amazing game yesterday they almost pulled it off which would have been

I think the the best result of both weeks whole 10 year they didn't quite get there and we're

sat here England have had there were six nations in their history losing four games now the

sounds we're hearing from the RFU is that both weeks not gonna lose his job that's still the

understanding ahead of them going to South Africa I mean I think basically the statement from

last week still stands and they they are determined to look at this properly get under the bonnet

properly I've heard that they're going to it's not just going to be Bill Sweeney Connor O'Shea

and Steve Bothwick chatting they're going to consult with specialists from outside rugby and

also the board members and people like Ben Kay who've been recently in point one of the reasons

he's in part on the board to bring some rugby expertise and he will have been one of the people

that went in as part of the sort of O3 visit where they had a curry and it's very easy to find

people among that group who went in there and we're totally taking a back at how bad that

environment was only two weeks three weeks ago so again that that stands it's not difficult for

them to roll some stones over and find some tricky conversations that's a terrible mixed metaphor

isn't it and with you and unturned some stones and find out what's going on here because I think

there's a danger here that England slightly drink the cool aid and go there you go crack it we can

do it happy days everyone go back to the clubs don't worry about it it's like come on arrest this

to take it back to and actually to shamelessly steal a point that Alex made off of cameras that

that has to be a baseline for England because of the variety not necessarily because we're

heralding them for being extremely brave they are merely showing what the most effective

teams in this tournament did which is a varied game where wow that is a lilac push going past

with a monochrome number play yeah wow you say colors you're hoodie yeah well they're just

clearly disgusted with the point I'm like but no England have to be able to show the variety

of their game island showed it Scotland showed it France showed it to a lesser degree Italy

and Wales even have shown that they can play off the back of this kick pressure it really did seem

in the middle of that six nations that England just had had kick pressure and were really flat

doing that and and had a really ineffective attack and then went suddenly when they look a little

bit rounded they look like they can trouble one of the best teams in the world that's why it's

got to be a baseline and not a not a not put it up in lights my sense is there's a theme that covers

a lot of these points about slow starts and about energy through the chump as sorry just said

and it's and and about what drove the performance on Saturday is is it player empowerment and I

think there there was a sense that that the players took ownership of the game on Saturday and I

said earlier that doesn't mean they've they've done a kind of a France 2011 and kicked the coach

out of the room and just going right we're running this ourselves or an England 07 but it's like

almost a much more collaborative conversation but the players are going this is they they didn't play

against Ireland and Italy like they really believed in what they're being asked to do

they played as we've all described they played as if they were being constrained here they played

you saw their personalities within the game therefore they were playing their game and suddenly

you saw how this is only an attack clearly they're vulnerable as anything defensively particularly

out wide in in that space in behind the wings but that that's another conversation we're talking

here about they put 40 plus points on on France in France and it looked to me like pretty much to a

man those players were playing their game in the way they want to play and it was a rare occasion

where what they delivered it matched the vision that Steve Arthur always talks about about being big

and and bold and that doesn't mean taking stupid risks just means backing yourself moving the ball

they they played with a character that I think that team bring when they are in some sort of ownership

of the plan identity and clarity going right back to the very first press conference that Steve

Arthur gave his England coach I'm going to give this team clarity by association I'm going to give

it an identity look like I had an identity back to very final quick questions on England before we

get onto France and everything else we've mentioned Nolly Chesson at six I thought he was immense yesterday

was that do we think that is the end of the three sevens in the back row for England I think so

I think that there's been a realization in this tournament from England that they can run into

breakdown difficulties with that lighter more mobile back row and maybe what was working in the

autumn that real sort of contestable kicking playing off that which suits three sevens because

there's a lot of mobility on the park I think sides found that out a bit actually because they had

more to their more to their game you have you don't just have excellent variety off the line out

with those three sixes you have a bit more power and therefore you have a bit more scope to keep

the ball because you've got one more big body blast away jackalers and it was noticeable that England

scored a few of their tries with low phase count but they also scored a couple of them off 15-20

phases which was when they were running out of ideas and actually they kept the ball long enough

to get better shape which helped by that backline settling so yeah short answer yes I wonder whether

that opens up whether they rethink a little bit the the the sort of profile of back rows that

they have in the wider squad might be good news for Ted Hill finally might be good news for someone

like Emma Kerr Ilioni that'll be really interesting to see how that develops for you I'd strongly

suggest that that would be a way forward I thought it was really impressive as well actually after

England were held up over the line late on the the goal line drop out from France the way England

then went through the phases to actually score the try thought was really impressive final question

on England it's one of those games right like 48 46 one with the final penalty you could go through

that match and probably find something in every minute where you say well if that went differently

then it could have been a different story I have seen England fans suggesting if we look at those

final couple of minutes box kicking it away and then obviously the Henry Pollock strip which was

brilliant but forcing a pass and knocking it on is it a game England should have won or is that just

unfair and you know you could look at it was wild but and it's it's sort of brutal to nitpick

through a game like that as you say because you sort of want to revel in the glory of the madness

but there were naive moments one of them chef like it's tough because Chessam scores one of the

great intercept tries but you still go cold like a day cut inside a bit and actually watching

the clip back Freeman is pointing to the post well Freeman's been told off by Finn Smith before

for not giving him easy conversions for Saints I had to say my phone my phone blew up with

people who adore Oli Chessam saying oh he's got to go it's done yeah and so then there's that one

I mean there's 75th minute I remember Alex you were probably like ripping up your latest

rich version 712 they were hammering it at the line it's one game you got held up just before that

the goal line dropout England had a complete set of backs out to the right and I think it was a

five on three and they just didn't pass it to Jalibar and Belberry and the defensive line looking

nervous I mean they did that that was the that was the attack from which they scored from the dropout

so you know these did in on in wild game like that things but you're right and then and then

here's another one like again I spent most of the game doing that just laughing which Alex

you probably like can you just shut up and let me get on with this bloody report but one of the

most scoring tries please yeah one of the most remarkable things that maybe do that which then

was immediately sort of ruined was Pollock had two interventions in the last minute and a half

which were insane so good and then he ruined it so he depends breaks down the right wing

and Pollock has the pace and tackling ability to just run him down running down and like Cheetah

tackling like dive on his back kind of thing same lid yeah yeah yeah yeah and then a few phases

later he does such an amazing strafe strip that half the players on the field don't even realize

he's done it and then he almost gets so excited that he's done it there he goes well hey we might

him bloody score here passes a pass he didn't need to give and then Merle hacks it on because it's

on the floor and he's just trying to get rid of it and then it all goes to pot from there you think

gosh really tough and that was where 60 seconds left that was a minute and a clock yeah and then they

afterwards would sort of sell grapes thing about the the change of advantage from a penalty

advantage to a knock on advantage as Fin Smith is kicking away said advantage that then DuPont kicks

long B.L.B.A. scores is force try 17 and 10 tests they quibbled about that do you want to get

into the last penalty yes as we've sort of come to that fair enough yeah and there's clarity on

that so yeah so we'll get into the detail of it I'd like to make a sorry wider point that

you said it feels harsh to nitpick and it does it's a wild game healthy said shooting under one

yeah because they easily could have won had they had they not made that mistake or that mistake

I found it pretty poor of England to come out in a after a game like that so many points scored

to be picking out a couple of refereeing decisions both it was fuming about the Gen G yellow

card penalty try and I know why because it led to 21 points France took full advantage when he

was off but I was going to a couple of moorling tight five experts who felt it was probably the right

call that Gen G put himself in a in a position where that decision could be made I thought that was

really another comical moment when they slowed down the moor on the big screen and the three

officials were going through going I don't think that's penalty for blocking might be they would

just look if you if you slowed down a moor shock you're going to see a lot of events this

bear in mind and then and then the the decisions at the end which will come to now but

I just I don't like the the fact that there's a lot on social and a lot from England going wow

the referee has cost us this so they might not have liked the Gen G penalty but they came back

to lead after considering those 21 points they don't they also had an issue with Amshire Kelly

and the TMO kind of slightly messing up well definitely messing up the communication they thought

they had a penalty advantage this is 64 minutes turn out to be a knock on advantage which is very

different the kick the ball away and France score from it again that's an error from the officials

but England come back and take the lead again so I don't I don't like the idea of blaming

the refs for the decisions that actually cannot be said to decided again when England put

themselves back in winning positions on both occasions and had the ball in the last minute so very

very quick clarity on the final decision the penalty that won the France the game so lots of

people on social media looking at an Ollie Chesson high-ish tackle and it actually wasn't it's

because that's the moment that Amshire Kelly signals for penalty but what actually it was given

for was Trevor Davison tackling Brennan which was a high head-on-head collision which happened

a little bit before that and then they had the second option of a penalty when a Toe J slapped

the ball down and yeah they took their time to work out the exact placement of the penalty because

we're in the scenario where you get to you're allowed to choose one or the other aren't you and that's

why there was a bit of a fight because a Toe J was making sure that rammas put it exactly on the

mark rather than chucking it a few meters forward all that so so yeah that's the clarity on that one

so it wasn't so it was a pen that's it wasn't a bad decision there's a lot of anger because

people are looking at the moment that the pens give them just looking at the wrong follows a tackle

which if that had been given a high tackle you would have been incredibly hard a bad decision but

it wasn't for that and so both penalties were legit penalties France chose to take the kick from

where Maro knocked it on yeah which is that what 47-0 meter strike yeah by the way can we oh I know

we're going to get into France but I love Thomas Ramos because he's such a one-man dichotomy like

he's the most mental bloke who's like volleying the ball in the backfield loses his head all the time

and yet is the most clutch goal kicker in the sport I don't get that one of my eight but is he

nice to drive on those percent done this yeah like grab a kicks in his own in goal area or

or volleys for a since volleys for assists yeah for France and to lose that does it so often

that that also feels clutch yeah it's not like he's just being wild and loose it's not as

bent to this pen O but you watch pen O and him sometimes the back yeah you go I don't know if they know

what they're doing yeah and then he's able to do that and like the pressure of that goal kick

is utterly insane and it was just never walked up smash do never missing was it one of my hot

takes went right through the middle as well wasn't like a nipple on one side one of my hot takes at

the moment I think is where all the dead eye goal kickers Tom or Amos is one and I think the best

in the world the standard of goal kicking I think is very hit a miss and again I'm not I'm not

saying England lost because of this we're not going back through the game with a fine tooth comb

but missed conversions for England tight game and you've got Tom or Amos who steps up and nails

everything interesting point which I'm going to credit off the off the ball pod in Ireland about

Jack Rowley's goal kicking and particularly conversions where you don't have as much time

that he frequently gets right to the end of the shot clock is almost out of time so therefore

he's end up putting more pressure on himself for conversions because he goes through sort of a

breath work routine has to reclaim the ball get into position and uses up too much time and

there was quite I thought an interesting analysis there of he could make life a lot easier for

himself and therefore improve his strike rate by just managing that that clock a bit better Fin

Smith's phenomenal bit of skill and a ball kind of to enjoy that was just one bit of the vast

content of that game but I did think it was significant that Monk Smith took over from him when he

came on that felt like a big a big moment yeah and so Tom or Amos brilliant France which way

where are we but the way from France of won this six nations sums up this six nations doesn't it

and that after two or three rounds we were saying it's anyone going to get anywhere close to

stopping France and then they get 50 put on the Murray field and they lose so they don't win a

grand slam and then they almost they almost mess it up and Ireland could have won the title having

had a really mixed bag of results I mean it's a great position to be in isn't it to be annoyed

that you've only won the title like England would kill for that I wouldn't they I hope I through

the championship it was a kind of a front it was another Shaw Ned to a special for France so

defence was was unbelievable and then they ship like a hundred points in two games I just saw

the clip this morning of his ITV interview which he ended going up on seven seven of these now

and then walks off he does keep a tally of all the trophies he's won so they um they effectively won

by rallying from 47-14 down at Murrayfield to get that bonus point yeah and then winning a mad

hell to scale to shoot out we were saying that at the time in Rome I thought if I was working for

Le Keep today that last 20 minutes in against Scotland I'd almost hold up as the most important

20 minutes of the championship you know it was amazing Ramos again was conducting that

they've gone off because they've been run ragged by Scotland at the games gone they're out they're

out of the game they cannot win but what could happen is that they spiral and they don't get

a tribonus and they don't and they don't close the points difference gap but what they do is

is almost felt like they almost just restarted and went right new challenge let's get a tribonus

and it just gets closer to Scotland as we can because in that moment an hour into that game

the the test match has gone but the title could have gone as well and it didn't and I thought that

was that was really actually really impressive mental strength from France to not just completely

collapse at marathor because that as you say that ultimately isn't critical 20 minutes someone's

just walked past us and heard that we're recording a podcast and said with a strong Irish accent

that England are bleep and I wonder whether that's come from a place of frustration because

because England didn't do the job that Ireland needed them to do but can I can I make a

you're looking quite please himself looking at the looking through a few cards finally making

as well but can I make a wider point which is related to France for them brings in Ireland is that

we're sort of firmly we were before but we're firmly in the France Island duopoly era here aren't we

so I thought I thought it was over after the opening well yeah I know I know but

France slam 22 Ireland title slam 23 Ireland title 24 France title 25 France title 26 and then on

the Ireland side of it they've only dropped below a four from five and this includes a five from

five in 2021 there's the last time they won only three games like that that standards isn't that

amazing as well for this Irish team at the moment France isn't it yeah but Alex you were here on

the opening night where Ireland were pretty poor against France they weren't that great against

Italy they weren't that great against Wales but they produced a brilliant performance against England

brilliant performance against Scotland and they were one kick away from winning the title it's

incredible I think Andy Farrell coaching I just think he has the talk about identity of a team and

the man management of a team the the way that Ireland played and grew in through this championship

and the way they played against England I thought they were even better against Scotland just

all stems from Andy Farrell coaching I'm really interested with the framing how we how we

look at how Andy Farrell is slowly kind of regenerating Ireland because it looked like that was a

dead end almost and it was almost out of necessity that we got Robert Balakun we got Stuart McCloskey

I know Robert Balakun's 28 Stuart McCloskey's 33 34 so but they're going to be good to go for the

World Cup right and they've been transformative Darrym Murray coming on coming on yesterday it's

going to try during a bloodbim period they're coming back and looking really assured in a really

kind of a really high quality game like Farrell's growing a bit of a beard and suddenly become

the angriest prop yeah he wants to look a bit more like Alex Lois that's it well let's not let's

not forget they had a brutal injury cluster of loose head props three the top three loose head props

going down at the start of this tournament and they've ended up with a tight head in Tom O'Toole going

really well it's I wonder whether there's been a healthy amount of defiance from Andy Farrell

during this tournament going look I'm certainly still I'm he was criticized for being away during

the Lions and and the team not necessarily moving on maybe as much as Waters would have liked during

that period but I feel like they're in such a healthy place because they've come very close to

winning these six nations and and broaden the sort of player player pool from which they're picking

well that's right isn't it because you then look at it and go when the guys who have been injured

who are clearly top-class players come back they've now got six props to pick from not three they've

added depth on the wing they've added depth at center like you suspect Bundyaki's going to stay

around unless he leaves the country or retires so that but now they've got the option of going

well McCloskey's actually better and that's a good position to be in because then if you go to the

world cup with someone like Bundyaki on the bench you go well that's a better 23 than you had

a few years ago I can't get over McCloskey some it's so skill-fading through midfield

but just some of the defensive breakdown work back rowers were smashing into him and basically

hitting the floor and he wasn't moving he's a absolute beast and that the fly half selections

so interesting because Farrell has invested a lot in some Brenda Gost and you could say well he

had to he had to pull him out of the fire and he did have to pull him out of the fire and he's

he's ended up taking him out of the 23 all together and Crowley was absolute he did it at the

right time I think that's what what I liked about it is he kind of he knew that a lot of his

reputation was tied up into the selection of Brenda Gost because he'd backed him for so long but

I don't think Farrell cares about that he's like what's the right decision what's the right decision

I mean you could you could apply that to Owen Farrell being called up on the limestone just what's

the right decision and he's like that's the right that's the right call I would be I would not be a

tall surprise when Brenda Gost comes again he's an infinitely better player because he will be

managed his return will be managed and and that's I think you know that's where Andy Farrell is so

effective as a coach because he's if you if you look at how Ireland reacted to losing out here

like a detail but be emotion just like emotional intelligence character identity all the things

that England lost for two or three weeks after they got punched in the nose by Scotland Ireland

just grew it to the point that they you know they came within one penalty goal of winning the title

and I would I don't think Brenda Gost has gone and he'll be around this island squad and he will

he'll come back for as long as Andy Farrell's there he'll he'll come back better because I think

that coach that that coaching unit is what is really really effective the thing I find

fascinating now like rugby's mad isn't it international rugby's mad because there's so small

pockets of it and things change so quickly week to week that you sort of are always re-calibrating

what you think about certain teams but now you look at what's going to come in July and you go

France and Ireland are going to play the All Blacks and we don't know what on earth they're going

to look like with Dave Renny as the coach and so how are we going to then re-calibrate what we

think about all of those teams when Ireland, France and Italy go down to play the All Blacks,

in Japan and then the flip will be the English and African Argentina, VG, Scotland, Wales,

bits won't it? Well done France but Gauté was one kick away from being

under pressure, peaking a little bit in the press afterwards but he thought that was

must have been pretty tasty and one of the first questions to him was did you feel fear

and he was like no no no it's just a sort of very complex game and he actually said there wasn't

enough time to feel fear, to feel anxious but I think he probably did a bit, it wasn't the

press box. In order to beat fear you have to become fear. Hasn't that all been magnified though by

this championship that Ireland after one game we thought was an aging team that Andy Farrell had

delayed the regeneration of it where were they heading England after one game, 12 game winning

street title hunts Scotland after one game defeat in Italy absolute disaster and all of where those

team bull towns are fine exactly find themselves at the end of this championship in a totally

different kind of position to that I suppose which is an amazing thing we'll have a really really

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So Scotland we haven't mentioned too much about them that we disappointed with how they went in

Dublin overall though is it still net positive for the scots getting to the final weekend

with a shot of the title that performance and victory over France feels really significant

along with another good win against England. I would say so maybe they will I think maybe

the tipping point was losing their two locks for to go to Dublin I think they look lacto maybe

a little bit of steel for that trip and that's been it's really funny speak to guys who've watched

a lot of cow cut to cut games and guys that have watched a lot of Scotland island games and they will

have vastly different views on where Scotland are how good aside they are and the Irish guys are

always going to look soft underbelly they don't rock up when the pressure is on England fans will go

you know in people say for example I've watched a lot of those cow cut to games and I think

of the cow cut to cut games and I think of them as a really sort of patient tactically smart

team that are tougher than they maybe get credit for they didn't look like that when they're

when they're depth that sort of in the type five was was compromised and I think that's where

Gregor Townsend will want to sort of concentrate his efforts ahead of the World Cup by do you think

a lot of encouraging signs yeah three gate three wins are still there sealing though yeah

they all they're doing it in a different order all the time but I think they'll they can't break

through and get four no four wins would have been the target three wins is that it's par but

beating England and France sort of makes it makes it okay I think yeah oh and the front I mean

the front game if you're a Scottish fan that's one of your best days you've ever seen isn't it?

yeah in like club cricket it'd be like a winning draw you know like you're on top come out of it

feeling good about yourself even though it's not quite what you wanted some 16-year-olds come

to block out the last five overs do I thought they like I said earlier on I thought they were they

look really good against Ireland just they came up against an Ireland team who are I'm real

but then you look at the final analysis and I know it blew out the end but you go they had their

historic shot at the title and they lost by 21 points yeah yeah they like it savage it was the

end yeah the margin the margin is not not really reflective it the key part was was Ireland

hit them twice to open up that that window that gap and then they made 230 tackles whatever it was

they just like they were ferocious defensively Ireland as well as being brilliant in attack

Scotland just came up against a team who probably the best individual performance of any team

on Super Saturday Ireland delivered Scotland just weren't weren't as good but I think certainly

for where they started in the in the rain in Rome to how they finished I kind of yeah like

so the winning draw like three out of five is par they want more but if you beat England and France

in a championship then I think and you land some blows on Ireland it's not the worst so progress

for them is beating Argentina away yep beast of Idiot Marryfield yeah got to do that and then what's

the box I don't need to work yeah oh yes yes absolutely England sort of what's next

doesn't it looks away same but anyone can expect a beat South Africa in South Africa no gosh no no

and all the two year old Townsend's wrestled back his job and slot he wrote a good piece in the

Scrum on Saturday about is he the one who survived best out of this tournament because he's the

one that's most used to crises it's that sort of polarized point we're making of rugby so mad at

the moment hmm of flips it's an interesting coach who's experienced more flips than anyone is

the Scotland coach it's an interesting thing with Townsend though because even like I know

social media isn't the the best barometer for these things but I do think it's hit a point now

where after every single Scotland defeat you are going to see people that want a changing coach

save like a bit isn't it yeah but England but almost regardless of the results sometimes

depending on England definitely definitely but Scotland have had a much better sixth nation

than England where it feels like that with Townsend it that almost doesn't matter what he does now

for some Scotland back just because he's been there for such a long time that people just

I think because I've got a hit a point where they could have had two big wins in November but

fell away then they lost any to it and there was a sense that Gregor Townsend just could he take

the team any further had they sort of reached their ceiling under him just at the natural evolution

of of a coach and charge of a team that that was the that was the conversation at the time

different with England it's the thing things I can't is there faith in that both it can actually

allow this seem to hit their ceiling and you know we've discussed the kind of he doesn't have

that warmer relationship with the English public etc so I think I think if fans see progress

and growth and can feel optimistic about whether team is heading then those questions don't

get answered and I don't think you'll find people questioning Gregor Townsend at the end of the

champ in the same way they did at the start because I think you've seen some growth and development

in a team onto a Wales Italy how important was that for Welsh rugby? Yeah I think they thoroughly

deserved it they showed sort of the togetherness that we've been talking about with like a dash of

incision about their attack I thought Aaron Wainwright was immense they've unearthed Eddie James in

midfield Reese Carrey had a there's had a humongous tournament Daly Lake is captain has been brilliant

and there was actually a moment when um yeah again we were we were we just arrived at

Stadefront some way so we watched the sort of end of it in the in the in the press room and the

camera flitted to Jack Morgan in the stand you're going well you know they've got an elite

Batrower to come back in um and the reasons to reasons to be cheerful I think

Italy a funny one for me I'd I I thought it was a little bit disrespectful to say that England

fans were being disrespectful for being annoyed at losing to Italy because I actually didn't think

it's the played particularly well in that game I think they have parts of their game that are

impressive and it's important to say that they've also they're also missing quite a few key players

certainly game breakers in the back like in the backside cup what's so and potentially Tadara

knows young but he's very exciting but that disappointed me from them and maybe that's just them

getting used to this rollercoaster that six nations can be and the difficulty with backing up

sort of historic performances and big emotional spikes but yeah that that will be a

discipline because Kassada's just such smart coach I think actually he will be pretty filthy with

with aspects of that England performance even but as I suppose with the performance in England

but all but certainly the way they finished on the on the Wales Point there's you've got to be

pleased for Steve Tandy haven't you to be in that maelstrom that goldfish bowl every week

to have basically the most existential crisis looming over your whole sport your whole national

culture and to bottle something and create a team that fought for each other and tackle their

hearts out in Ireland and then won the game won a game in the six nations the first time a three

tournaments that's remarkable and you can also say with all of that you still don't have faith

that they'll kick on from it because of all the chaos behind the scenes which is so sad isn't it

you think they finally feel like they've got a character a spirit an energy in that team and

some good players and you just don't have faith that that'll actually blossom into something because

of the way everything's being torched it's not a responsibility of those that young team to

to make up for the failings of the wu and the chaos in Welsh rugby but how nice is it that they've

they've managed to kind of at least part the clouds for a bit and the noise inside the

principality the last couple of games has been has been hot like loud and the atmosphere has been

bouncing and there's a bit of hope and a bit of you know there's a bit of unity in that squad and

I think yeah they might what is kicking on look like I think so long as they can keep playing with

that same character like what they've on earth what they forged there on the tally they're playing

for tandy like it's there's there are some green shoots in that squad I'd be really interested

maybe it's one for the next kind of few weeks but it's interesting to sort of interrogate how much

the unity and the swell of support behind the team is out of defiance and out of you know screw

the wiu let's get behind get behind the team good point okay so uh need to wrap up let's

rattle through very quickly a team of the championship don't need to this be my definitive because

we were asked from team of the championship uh which I updated we had to file on Saturday morning

outdated it once through the day but then all hell broke loose at the southern province and I

didn't I never actually submitted my final version I won't say what the call was but I emailed

in twice and the second time I prefaced it with I'm sorry this is pathetic but please can I

so this is the definitive start the front row I had for sketti who's gonna argue me

I'd carry carry I'm literally vibes but he was cast in the last game allow a lot I had for sketti but

I would go with carry let's have carry for icon okay latest Reese carry two

hook it from a slow start that was my pathetic one I had uh uh at the start of the day I had

lake swapped them out for she and swap lake back in but you can have she in you can have she in

and then I I want Ferrari at tighthead and it it sounds awfully like he's had a really bad

neck injury so we're wishing him all the best there but I'd like Ferrari at tighthead I'm going to

die on that hill I have it I uh if you if you want to die on that hill I can we have a very loud

row bus shout out for Joe Hayes I think he's been fantastic he's been in his best player probably

him and Benel for there's been a few sort of flocks knocking about after you you need to you need to

pick something here come on well I'll tell us the Levant I had because but he played eight you

could put him in two positions couldn't you t-be flammo flammo he didn't play all the games didn't

play all that that's tricky because actually picking French players is tricky because they did

rotate quite a lot so you can take it back I don't I don't really I ended up with a really

little sort of lightweight pack but with I think I think I went ultimately I nearly put

on a eight because he had to be in there somewhere so I think I went olive on and then tight burn

so olive on burn we'll have that yeah seven eight I had Lamaro six sided eye okay well you guys

can be persuaded otherwise I'm trying to remember who I had now who would I have had um I

dodged it seven yeah dodged seven she have dodged does Lamaro dodged seven yeah dodge Lamaro he's right

down this route of picking two we can have it two sevens and two lightweight it's proven it's

which is pretty cool yeah it's pretty capable eight Doris in the end Doris with a big shout out for

Wayne right Benel oh yeah yeah yeah I think I think I'm it for Doris think we're for Doris but if I

had redone it at the very end I probably would have put well back in because he him and Hayes were

England's two outstanding players yeah and I thought I thought the the kind of consistency with

which Benel just tried to get things going for England was was really impressive um so I'd

actually be yeah I definitely want to have a shout out for all whatever we conclude uh onto

the scram half my controversial take here is that it's not about Antoine de Pond it's Gibson Park

or Ben White yeah I agree with you do you want to hit his highest offstandard no you can't have

an English you keep in tell you this because I suspect we're going to know with more Irish on

French which is kind of might feel a bit weird but white I'll go white white you left a part

white it was really good Ben White I swapped him out after the Scotland game because I should

forgive some park back yourself did Dupont wasn't Dupont was phenomenal he's still I think he got

did he get three assists last night last night he was good I just got a game he wasn't great no

point where I turned to you and I was like what earth was that where he did the highest box kick I've

ever seen in my life he was like he jumped up in the air yeah having hit it he was that powerful

he reminded me of when we were playing paddling Verona oh yeah against uh christians

that's where the real championship was won uh in in a dome and like he'd got me in the corner

and the ball was just like dying on the on the glass so I just levied it straight up in the air

so it hit the dome roof I was like let it let which actually turns out in paddle rules yeah

we don't have the road but it's the point but so white and we just wanted to be of that it's

absolutely well-earned it's probably good why do we say it man go Ben might have you do you know

what I think gives him part I guess Scotland particularly as England was sensational and then I

had Charlie bear but then he made a couple of dodgy passes yesterday but also so many lovely kicks

would be up there are you it can be jolly bear I had Russell but I think I was mainly because I

forgot to update I'll be asking right jolly bear twelve McCloskey I think he's hard because there's

lots of twelfths but not many times this is the wrong way you have to sigh whether you can pick two

twelfths in the because the contenders are obvious of like McCloskey man and cello

and then two peloton two peloton but the French changed their senses midfield three times

yeah there's an easy out which is to uh I don't think you I don't know you can ignore McCloskey

man and cello started with 13 on his back twice in the toy hall and has he sort of sets up there

an attack when he's playing with Rex so that's how I ended up with McCloskey and no two peloton

so McCloskey gave some of the best quotes to the tournament let's have an honorable

mention for that I've done it for Gregor and all that yeah true so McCloskey and men and cello

centers and then round us off back three there's a French winger who just can't stop scoring

tries we might sneak in yeah might get in but does he want it though yes he wants 17 tries

I think he might have got in on the basis of his M-frame glasses that he was wearing and his

his 1990s Aussie crickets are glasses he were very zinc underneath type glasses this is in the mix

zone after we haven't met his name yet but everyone knows what we're talking about Louis B. L.

Barray is just a complete joke ridiculous he easily gets in easiest pick of the whole thing

right wing there's loads so atisog based stain balacus stain I'm saying stain yeah

stain you can have stain like that's balacune shout out for just being that's yeah atisog

be at one point because I think as a sort of new form here a team it was awesome in its

island I think he is just looks so comfortable at this level already I was really impressed with him

balacune and stain would be the two I would probably go balacune in the end but I'm having a

mistake oh sir okay I can't be ever wrong so we're getting stain or balacune stain what do you

think I'll see come on I'm empowering you to speak up we'll go well you know I'm just kind of

here if it if I have to get involved I will but we want you involved I would go with I'd probably

go balacune but that's going to make it a draw so no balacune then we happen that there's a lot of

signs full back tomoramas yeah yeah yeah that's to be tomoramas but not just for the clutch kicking

no he's been but that too yeah yeah final question then for you as we leave you here in the

Paris sunshine 2026 six nations where does it rank in terms of the championships that you have

covered incredible ending unexpected results and great storylines every single week where does

it rank for all of you talking to a father of two kids under five with porridge brain who has

terrible short-term memories so yes I I think yes I think it was great for a for a point again

to steal off Alec everybody got punched in the face everybody had to show a bit of resilience

and adversity everybody by the end including England showed showed variety about how they played

and we aren't it's boring to talk about world cup cycles but to talk about world cup cycles it's

set us up brilliantly for an 18 month race into 2027 in ours so why not I do think the six nations

now as hard as hard to win as it has been for a long time if ever if we're just talking the six

nations as in since 2000 because Italy can beat England Scotland probably could have won

other games could have beaten Ireland couldn't they will be disappointed with Wales so therefore the

as we've talked about in the pub before the floor has come up which means that it's harder the grand

slam is really tough to win really really tough to win which is exactly how it should be France

was supreme for three games it didn't win the slam because I conceded 96 points and it's again

a refrain I've come back to quite a lot but I can't have it that rugby was better before

the quality of play on the field in the current era is way better than anything we have ever seen

in the sport and I will that is my full point on the six nations Alex yeah I just echo that I think

I can't think of a championship where every weekend there's been a twist or a statement

performance where teams have been knocked and challenged and responded it has we've had

talking points through this pod like endlessly and that's what you want from a championship I guess

one way of looking at it is we were all asked to do our predictions pre championship and I

beat us by the way they had for outside too but week on week the what you thought was going to happen

didn't happen there was somewhere where what your predictions were ripped up because sport happened

and that's what you want from a championship it's what you want and it felt to me sitting there

last night that it just reminded me why the six nations is it is the like arguably or definitely

just the greatest thing in sport because every year it delivers in a way you haven't expected can I

you've just maybe think there of a marketing strapline now for the six nations there's two versions

as either sport happens or six happens does that work it's a nice little neat hashtag you see that

sprayed on a pitch somewhere couldn't you you could yeah six nations sport happens before a couple

of horses running all over it pretty much you haven't even spoken about the pre-match I enjoyed it

I loved it so they offered a massive flag and Charlie and I were like is that meant to be a silhouette

of what six nations are exciting I had god knows how I heard whispers that there would be horses involved

and we're teasing this over the day and I wasn't taking too much to be honest I thought he was joking

and then yeah they they roped up but it was a representation of the channel and then like a battle

for the soul of rugby I think big shit between kids and like warriors from the country for Freddie

Michelin I enjoyed that and the bizarre sort of very modern day kind of side show of England's

non-twenty three players sprinting up and down the pitch in the dark and the kind of slight

what was it many yoga and George Klusker doing shuttles George Ford's Raffy Cook while there was

the hundred years war going on on the pitch besides worrying if the fireworks were going to

spook the horses I almost thought Benl was going to be set on fire because he does the thing where

he has a prayer he ran through the pit man the flames dark going off and I was like that he's

going to catch a light he's like in the middle get a huge ovation yeah he ripped into france last

week did he yeah he absolutely was into them and then there he is I will also take the fee thank you

well maybe it was a mad it was a mad start what was a mad game and a mad championship and that's

what I will probably leave it it has been awesome to bring you all the pods throughout the six nations

from Edinburgh to Rome here in Paris games at Twickenham it's been good fun so appreciate all of

you that are listening lads what does it look like back to back to Prem bath service Friday night

let's have it there you go it's good game back at the wreck yeah good game you see the Oli Lawrence

that I heard in Riharandall played against Bedford last Friday and they beat them 94-40 nice heard

they played I didn't know that was the score Oli Lawrence was meant to be injured was the gap

between the Prem and the champ yeah on that there you go well we'll be back with you next Monday so

no podcast for you tomorrow on Monday but net the following Monday we'll be back with you with

domestic action all of that stuff has been a great pleasure email us if you want to get in touch

the ruck at the times dot code at UK Alex speak to you soon speak to you soon Charlie likewise

we're on the same flight that is first six days for the times he has yeah have them enjoyed it very

much like sign off with a flight home with you mate exactly perfect perfect and well you'll be at

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a light on the great work Aliens is doing behind the scenes to support the game we all love we talk

a lot on the ruck about Premiership stars and England internationals but every one of those journeys

starts somewhere usually on a freezing morning at a local club with volunteers hand me down kit

and a belief that rugby can genuinely change lives Aliens gets how important those places are

which is why they're launching a special edition of the Aliens future fund just for ruck listeners

they're offering grants of five hundred pounds to a thousand pounds to help local clubs become

more inclusive more sustainable and better set up for the next generation whether it's new kit

safer facilities or giving young players the space to grow into tomorrow's heroes this is a

real chance to make a difference sign up for the Aliens future fund nominate your club and help

support the grassroots heart of the game hi this is Pablo Torrey from Pablo Torrey finds out and

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