Beyond Trump’s victory: Voter shifts, trust and unity

0:00It's six eastern it's three o'clock Pacific. This is a president of action coast to coast and around the world from the America out loud talk radio studios. If he says he's serious about something he means it's time for the truth be told with Booker Scott in the 2024 presidential election. One could say it was the Hispanic vote and the black vote that took Donald Trump to the White House and be the 47th president of the United States. It's easy to see that it had a lot to do with it. Now you may say it was the younger voter too. And that's true also. But it was the black and Hispanic vote that the Republicans had never gotten before that suddenly appeared in 2024 that took Donald Trump back to the White House. Now you see these polls that are going around in its sounds as if some of that support is eroding right now between the Hispanics and the black community.

1:00Is it is that really what is happening? I'm Booker Scott and this is the truth be told. Thank you for joining us if you're listening live. Thank you so much. If you happen to find us later on the podcast on one of the many platforms where we are available. Thank you for making that extra effort to do that and find us there. I really do appreciate it. So what do we make of all of that? What's what's happening with the Hispanics in the black community is Donald Trump really losing them in a greater number than he would be his own base because some of the mega base is also eroding around Donald Trump. So I think that's a fair question. Let's see if we can get some real answers. There is a book that's called Black voters red wave decoding the rise of Donald Trump's black support. And it was written by Reverend Damien Thaddeus Jones. He's here now. We're going to have a conversation and have him talk about what I'm trying to talk about. I don't know the answers.

2:00But as always on this program, I try to get people that can shed some light and maybe bring us the answers to these questions. So now let's welcome in to the program. Reverend Damien Thaddeus Jones Damien. Welcome to the program. We're here to have you. Booker, thank you so much for having me such an honor to be on your program. I'm excited for the conversation. Me too. And we were talking off air before we got here on the program. I really enjoyed our conversation. And I just wanted to keep going and keep flowing where we were. You look at the 2024 election and Donald Trump had great black support. Some people argue that that was the difference in the election. And maybe it was partially I think the Hispanics helped. But now we see is it possible that that support is eroding? What do you think? Do you think that it is eroding? Some and if so, why do you believe that would be the case right now? Well, I'll answer the top part of your question. In 24, absolutely. The black vote, particularly black men. I did a great part in taking Donald Trump over the top. And I'll tell you today that I am a Republican. I vote Republican because I'm a Trumper.

3:13And Trump spoke to and continues to speak to kind of that bravado and a lot of men that have been forgotten about push to the margins in the Democratic party. They tell you don't be masculine. Don't stand up for your family. Don't be loud. They say get behind the women. And Trump spoke to that place with that with men that said, hey, you can still be a man. You can still eat a steak. You can still have a beer. And that knows he really, really excited a lot of men to come out and to support him. Now that said your question is that support eroding today. I wouldn't use the word erode. Erode kind of insinuates that it's falling apart at the seams. I would say that that excitement that we saw in November 24 is not going to be a good thing. It's not there as much today. Yeah, I think it's probably sunny the little bit. But Trump is who Trump is. You know, he's not your polished politician. He's not going to say the politically correct thing.

4:19But we still are excited that hey, he's trying to protect our borders. Right. He's still trying to make sure that we're protecting our children and keeping the men out of women's sports and things of that nature. But I do think there have been some missteps in some places just to sure up that excitement. And as we kind of move into the midterms here, I'm not sure that we're going to see those high levels excitement from black men, particularly all black voters. But I think that's the whole steady because when you look at what the alternative is on the other side, Democrats are still losing their minds. And so Trump, I think he's going to be okay. Let's go back to something you said there. You said there are some things that maybe have attributed to what we're seeing in I say erosion. You say it's maybe that's a little bit harsh. The support is dwindling among the black community compared to 2024. We can all probably agree with that. What are those things that you see that make you think that that is happening.

5:25So and I tell my wife this all the time. When I voted for Trump, you know who he is. I voted for him in 20 and I voted for him in 24 and you know what you're getting. You're going to get some erratic behavior here and there. Right. You're not going to be surprised about that. And so you shouldn't be right. Right. So you mean I'm not looking for him to be some church saint. Right. I want to leave the country. But when Trump put on social media, those images of the Obama's as monkeys. Yes. That wasn't that wasn't a great move. Yeah. Let's let's be honest here, Damien. Let's let's really show you. Yeah. No doubt about it. I made me cringe as well. Right. And it's things. It's things like that. Because he's he's done so much for the black community in terms of the HBCU funding. You know, when you talk about the first step act and the ways in which he's helped get formerly incarcerated people out of jail.

6:30There's so many great things that we can point to that Trump has done for the black community. But then at the same time from a static and optics standpoint, then he'll go put his foot in his mouth and do something like that. Don't get me wrong. Listen, I voted for Obama and oh, eight when I was a Democrat. I don't agree with the Obama's politically on majority of things. But they still are seen as this symbolic kind of camelot type of figure for black people. And when you go after black camelot, if you will, that kind of set some people back, especially those those listen, let me tell you this book. Most Americans are in the middle. Any person that tells you that they agree with their particular party on every issue they're lying to you. Or they're a cultist in the middle or they're a cultist. You know, it's one of the other. Right. They're either lying to you or they believe it. And if that's the case, then they are a member of a cult, not a political party. Most, most black people in this country that are active voters are I'm going to tell you where they are.

7:39Many of them are upset with the Democratic party. They are frustrated. They are angry. They are living with the Democratic party. But they've been told that they can't consider the Republican party because we've been told that Republicans are racist. Right. You know, but there are a group of people that are open to considering it. But they're right there in the middle. So there, you know, when you break up with a girlfriend, don't go jump to another girlfriend. Kind of chill by yourself and kind of get to know yourself. Most black voters are in the middle right now trying to figure out which way they want to go. And so it's a prime opportunity for the GOP for the Republican party locally and nationally to really get to put their feet on the ground and really build real relationship. But when you have Trump making comments like that, it gives those people pause about coming over and listening to the message and the good things that are happening in the Republican party for black people and it sets it back a bit. And that's when you can point to, hey, the, the support is dwindling.

8:42Yeah, yeah. It's minimizing. And so Trump is attributing to that just a good bit. Yeah, I can, I can see that is happening. And then let's say this too, Damien, let me go a little bit more into your background so people know you were political science major with a degree in political science. After you came out of the Air Force, you're an Air Force veteran, which is great. And then you go to work in politics. You were in DC on case street. You work in campaigns. You were a Democrat and you, you freed yourself from the plantation. And that's what a lot of us call what the Democrats have done to the black community. You know, the black community has supported Democrats for ever. And they largely are where they were in a lot of cases. And so the Democrat party hasn't helped them. And so for people like me and probably you at this point, you wonder why are you still supporting the Democrats when they haven't done anything for you in 70 or 80 years, but they still do largely. So why is that?

9:44Tribalism. It's, it's, if you understand black people, we are traditionalists. We love tradition. When we wrap our arms around something, we become very loyal to it. But I'll tell you the biggest reason is it's because Dr. King said to do so. When you look at the data, black people were not overwhelmingly supporting Democrats until 1964. When Dr. King told black people, hey, we're going to get the Civil Rights Act. We're going to get the Civil Rights legislation from LBJ. So we need you to vote this way. And ever since 1964, we have been overwhelmingly voting Democrat for those particular reasons. Now, when you look at what the Civil Rights Act and those legislations have done to our community, you can make argument that it's decimated the nuclear family unit.

10:46And put us in the place where we are now. We are, many can argue that we are a mess from a family standpoint. We are a mess from an abortion standpoint. We are a mess from just a growth mindset standpoint. And a lot of it stems from just us holding on to old traditions being stuck in the Civil Rights movement and not really taking an account in an inventory of where we are today in 2026. Because I believe that if you want to talk party, the best place for black people in 2026 is the Republican party. Because when you look at what Democrats are laying out, it's nothing about family. It's nothing about family unity. It's dividing the black men and the black woman. It's black woman, this black woman that had, okay, black women are great. But how about black people, black men and black women together has a family in talking about building a family unit in children and pushing our children into higher education and things of that nature.

11:50Right. But we have held on to it. Secondly, also because you get, what's the way I want to use here? You get shamed in our community if you don't vote Democrat. Think about it. I'm going to tell you something book. I wanted to vote for Donald Trump in 2016. I really did. And but I was at that time, I was afraid of being shamed by my friends. Sure. And so I reluctantly voted for Hillary although I didn't want to. I was like, I like this Trump guy. Right. And so I was wrestling with those feelings of fighting the shame. But I said, Hey, I got to be a man. I got to stand on my square. I got to stand on what I really believe in. And those are really American ideals. And if I can't do as a man, straight my backup, then who am I? And so that's where a lot of men need to be and stop worried about being shamed by those around you and save our community. I mean, when you look at me, let me tell you something. I did the data. Some people don't like me to say this. But young black males, you can argue.

12:57It's possibly safer in the desert fighting for our country than walking around in a urban black neighbor. Right. That's what the data says. Baltimore, Memphis, Chicago. Exactly. And it's dangerous. It's dangerous. Right. But nobody wants to talk about it. And Democrats just gloss over it. They want to blame everybody else. But anytime you want to fix something, you got to start internally. Look yourself in the mirror. And that's why, you know, I pushed back and I love my community. But I said, Hey, we got to look at ourselves. We can't blame people in America. We live in the greatest nation on the globe. And we have more opportunities in 2026, more ways to make money. You can send a tweet today. Yeah. The millionaire by tomorrow morning. Right. The opportunities are there. We have to take advantage of them and have a growth mindset and get rid of the victim mindset and stop blaming other people. You're destiny is in your hands. My last piece. And I'll be quiet after this. No, you won't. I'll keep you going. Yeah.

14:02We've got to get back to embracing God. We've got to bring God back into our homes. We've got to bring God back into our schools. We've got to bring prayer back into the ways in which we move. Right. We've got to love people. And here's the thing. Jesus didn't say, love your neighbor. If they are the same color issue. That's right. Jesus said, love thy neighbor period. Yeah. And so we have created these particular through politics. And I'm listening. I'm disappointed in politics. I'm not going to be a Democrat over Republican independent whatever. Politics has become so, so divisive. It is nasty. And this is not the politics that I fell in love with as a kid and, you know, back in 20, 2008. Right. We, we politics, one another is so nasty. And I'm really ashamed of it on on all sides, right. But if we start with love at the center loving our neighbor. Right. Looking out for the least the last and the laws, right.

15:08thinking about Matthew 23 and 11 that says, the greatest among you will be your servant. How can I serve my local community? How can I serve my church? How can I serve my neighbor? How can I serve my nation? And I think we'll be in better shape when we start with love and get rid of all these labels, these pronouns and things of that nature that we want to that divide us and just think about how God will look at us and how we carry ourselves and how we're building up our families and communities. Yeah, no, thank you for that word. And when you look at Jesus' example, you know, he didn't run around telling people what to do. A lot, he told them what not to do. But the one thing that he did say is love God with all of your heart. And like you just said a few minutes ago, he said, love your neighbor just like that. You know, just like that, just like you love God with all of your heart, he said, love your neighbor that way. But regardless of color, regardless of whether you like the guy or the woman or whatever it is, you're supposed to love them

16:08just as you love God. And I think that's a good point. There's a couple of things that you brought up. And by the way, we're almost up to a break. The time goes really fast when we're doing this. Do you mind hang around for another segment? Absolutely. Great. So let's go back to something you said. You mentioned the word community. I've mentioned the black community. That always makes me uncomfortable. Actually, because you talked about the division within that community, I think that when we say the Hispanic community or the black community, then we are dividing them into something else. And I can take this into the next question that I want to get to, which will be coming after the break, which is you mentioned the M.O.K. I want to talk about that and judging someone by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin, because I believe there's a lot of that now where we just judge somebody by the way they look, their appearance or whatever it may be. But let's go back to the community. What do you think about that? When you say the black community, are we dividing the black community, the Hispanic community? I don't think there's a white community. I've never heard

17:12that. So I don't know where we stand. But do you think that's adds to the division in some ways, instead of all of us being Americans or being Christians and loving God? We are something. We have a label. Absolutely. So I have conversations with a lot of friends, many folks on Excel or just friends about and they're black. And the question is, are you black first? Or the question, and essentially that means are you pro black? And I tell people, listen, I'm a Christian first. I'm God first. That's my identity as a Christian to love my neighbor to love of people and to carry myself in the ways in which God wants me to. That's my first identity. Then secondly, I'm a proud American. And it's an end of the day. Hey, if you don't recognize God, hey, that's your business, I respect it. Hey, but at the core of who we are, we are all Americans, Booker, right? From

18:191776 to 2026, we just celebrated 250 glorious years. Have we had some complexities? Have we had some mistakes? Have we had some mishaps in this experiment of in democracy? Absolutely. But here we are 250 years, still standing, still moving forward, right? As the biggest superpower on the globe. And we ought to be proud of all the opportunities here. We can take advantage of the economy here. I wouldn't want to be living anywhere else. So when you say, are we divided by these, the skin color and the black community, white community, we are Americans. And I just wish that we all would embrace being an American. And hey, if there are issues you have with this country, it's your American right to lift your voice and use your first amendment right to talk about it, right? I love it. That's what democracy looks like. But when we have all these divided labels,

19:21it just makes our country more angrier, more divided, more nastier, our conversations, our nastier, our politics, our nastier. Everybody's looking for the gotcha moment. Everybody's digging in folks past trying to tear their life apart. And we see how that has affected some people from a mental health standpoint. And so I just believe proud Americans to do it. And I think that'll help bring us together. Yeah. And how do we do it? You know, that's the tough part. I hear what you're saying. I agree with what you're saying. But it's actually that making it a reality that becomes the difficult part. We are up against the break right now. You are listening to our conversation with Damien Thaddeus Jones, the name of his book, which by the way, I will make sure that it is in the bookstore here at America out loud. News. The name of the book, which you can also get at Amazon is black voters, red wave decoding the rise of Donald Trump's black support. More truth in minutes on America out loud talk radio. You wouldn't go a day without brushing your teeth or

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22:29look forward to Amazon. You will also be able to find it in the bookstore at America out loud dot news or dot com either one of those Damien. I want to get to MLK because as I look at things and paying attention to things, it seems to me that people are very quick to judge based on skin color. And I see this from the people in the black community saying it again already, but I don't know really how else to say that, but I see I see racism from all sides of it. And you know, are we really to a point that Dr Martin Luther King wanted us to be where we judge someone by the content of the character of them as opposed to just the color of their skin is the color of the skin the first thing we see or are we getting to know people and understand them have a conversation with them before we make a determination whether we want to continue to have a conversation with them. Yeah, great question. Unfortunately, Booker, the optics is the first thing we see with people.

23:34Now, just because that's the first thing you see should not be how you judge a person's character, judge their merit, judge their heart, so forth and so on. Right. And as we mentioned, we celebrate Dr King every year. And we say Dr King said this in this quote, Dr King said that, but we got to remember Dr King said, I want my children to be judged by not the color of their skin, but the content of their character. And unfortunately, in this nation for so many different reasons, white people are labeled racist just because of the color of their skin. White people are labeled as white supremacists just because the color of their skin folk, folk have not had a conversation with them. They don't know their heart. They don't know their their faith, but they judge them in such a way. And this type of thinking and this type of practice has become extremely rampant and been normalizing

24:40today's society. Right. And so yes, I think Dr King would be extremely disappointed as to where we are in this country as how we are not judging people based on their character. And how do you do that? But you asked at the moment ago, we've got to be able to sit down as Dr King would say at the table of brotherhood and have a conversation with our brother and our sister regardless of their skin color. Once you talk to people, you'll find out how much you haven't come in. You'll find out that the economy is affecting you and I the same way. You'll find out that I'm trying to pay day care the same way you are. You'll find out that when I go to the grocery store, I'm disappointed with 10 items cost and what they used to cost several years ago. We have commonalities there. We find that at the end of the day, I lay my head down at night, I get on my knees and pray just like you do. And that has nothing to do with my skin color. And we pray you do the same God too. Yeah. Same God. You're trying to work hard at the job,

25:44put in 20 years and be able to put your kids through a better education, better college, than you particularly had. Those are the things that we find out when we put aside our biases and our preconceived notions about people and just say, Hey, how's your day? I want to get to know you and we can talk about Dr King also said this. Dr King said this when Malcolm makes was gun down. He said, we've got to learn how to disagree, Booker, without being violently disagreeable. That's powerful. And what we see today, not from a violent accent point, but in our political discourse, our social discourse, if somebody disagrees with us, we become verbally, violently disagreeable. Right. We call them an idiot. You're an idiot. First thing. We begin to label people. If somebody votes in a way that's different than you, you're an idiot. What their background with this story? Why they vote that way? But you let him say, Hey, you know, I would say it for me,

26:45as a black man who openly votes for Trump and supports Trump. Do you know the names that I'm called each and every day by people who look like me? Yeah. Right. And it's very disappointing. It used to hurt me, but I'm used to it now. And I just pray for those folks. But that's where we are. And so, yeah, if Dr King were alive today, I think he'd be very disappointed with our public and our social and our political discourse. And I would pray that maybe he would use his voice to try to sway all people back to the sensible center. If you could get into MLK's head now, would he be proud of where the black community is now? Have they done everything they possibly could with the opportunities that they have been given? Or are in some ways they trying to stay back on the plantation? Does that make any sense? What do you think Dr Martin Luther King would think and feel and say

27:47right now in this point in history in America? Wow. That's a valuable question, Booker. Yeah. Um, one I don't think Dr King would be proud. Listen, when you look at where our public lead, I'll say the black public leaders are, right? When you look across the landscape, you know, look at this. Look at this last one. Well, do you think the black leaders are? Let's start there. Is it outsharp then? Is it people like that? We just lost Reverend Jesse Jackson is outsharp then the black leader? Absolutely not. Yeah. Well, who is it? Okay, let me answer that question, right? Um, a lot of leaders and they are getting older now. It's a lot of people that rode the co-tail of Dr King, uh, Postes Dead. And a lot of those people, um, have driven the black

28:51community into into the pits of, uh, despair because they're lining their own pockets through, uh, nonprofit work that's supposed to be uplifting the community. You know, when you listen, when you look at our sharpened, what is our sharpened in doing, uh, where he's making $1 million per year, but the black community is still going through some tough times, right? Uh, what is outsharp than telling the community other than it's the white man's fault. Correct. Other than it's, we're oppressed, right? And so no, when you talk about black leadership, when I look across the spectrum, I'm beyond what your book is very bleak. Yeah, I don't see any. I don't know of any because all they push is victim mentality. Correct. Victim mentality. So I don't think Dr. King would be happy. Listen, Jesse Jackson got blessed him. God bless his family. I think he tried to do the best that he, that he knew how I don't disagree with that. Yeah. But I think a lot of black

29:52leaders, all they push is victim mindset. There's no empowerment in the message whatsoever. I think, they need black people to feel destitute in order for them to stay in their spots. And meanwhile, a lot of these people are getting rich and rich and rich and they're going to their ivory tower and they're going to their gate in neighborhoods. Meanwhile, they're telling these other black people, you're going to be poor forever because it's the white man holding you down. And I think I believe with Dr. King with a he really disagree with that type of language. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing. They use the plantation. They're keeping you on the plantation. The white man is keeping you on the plantation. You have to vote for the Democrats to keep you from being on the plantation. Meanwhile, 70 years later, they're still right where they were. And they don't pay attention to the fact that the people that were selling them, what they were selling, them didn't succeed for them. They didn't help them. And you know, let me say this, let me real quick, let me say this, I just turned 60 years old this year. And my entire life has been

30:57under MLK, you know, busing started right when I started elementary school. I had teachers that had taught at the all black school. My assistant principal in high school had come from the all black high school. So I'm 60. It's not too terribly old, but it's a part of my life. And I, you know, was taught as a young person by my parents that you don't see color. You know, you just don't see color. And so my entire life was that way. I happen to have a grandson 10 years old. He's black. And I have another grandson that will be here in December. And then on the other side, my son has, he married a first generation Mexican. So my granddaughter is half Mexican. So my family portrait looks more like the United Nations, but because I support Donald Trump, I'm a fascist and a racist. Right. Does that make any sense to you? None whatsoever. None whatsoever. And so, um, but you have a beautiful family. And what your family looks like is America. Correct. A melting pot. Yeah. Of all types of backgrounds coming together.

32:04People loving each other regardless of their, what their skin color. Listen, I'm from Jackson, Mrs. Cimpy. Mm hmm. It listen. I grew up in the belly of the bees of Jim Crow racism. All right. But my parents taught me same as yours. We don't, we don't judge people by color. Right. We don't, we judge people by their heart. Right. And so I, I, I, listen, I love all people. I have a, a two year old daughter. And we're teaching her to love people, to love God, to embrace people, to get to know people and, and not to be driven by these political and these social dividers that we've been pushed by. And so I, I would, I'll tell you, man, I say it loud and proud. I am a, a, a, Air Force veteran. I am proud to be an American. I am proud to be in this nation. I'm proud to have fought for this nation. I'm proud that my, my daughters being raised. I'm, I'm proud that, you know, I have my wife is in this country. I wouldn't have it any other way.

33:04And listen, yes, I take a lot of flag for openly supporting Trump and other Republican candidates. But that, I feel that's the best way that my family needs to be rooted because right now, we're about faith. We're about family. We're about economic empowerment. And I love where we are right now. And that's for me. I believe that's the best place for black people in this country. You're listening to Damien Thaddeus Jones. The name of his book is Black voters, Red Wave, decoding the rise of Donald Trump's black support. He's also a political strategist, the speaker and Reverend, by the way, a Baptist church in Jacksonville, Florida. I've enjoyed this conversation so far, but I want to keep it going just a few more minutes before we come up to the next break. And, you know, I mentioned my life 60 years old. I've probably the first generation. I'm a generation X almost as old as you could be and not be a boomer. I'm a second year of an X.

34:07And my generation was the first to have lived our entire lives through MLK. And after what I came through over the last four or five years, I don't know what's going on. You understand what I'm saying? I was told all these years that you don't see color. You judge somebody by the content of their character, not their skin. And yet now as we go through this socialism, this socialism march here in America, we're told to do something different. We have boxes of oppression over here, oppression over there. And it doesn't work with the US Constitution. It's written from a form of oppression, but it's written for individual rights and liberties, not for groups. And that is intersectionality. That's what's needed to take us into socialism. And for people in all communities, all Americans, I would love for people to be able to see that from 30,000 feet that the division is what is needed

35:09to take us where none of us want to go. None of us want this nation to go there. But we see it popping up in places like New York City. We saw it in Colorado with the election last Tuesday. That's not needed in this country. We have to be united. And we have to be, you know, we just have to be nice to one another. Politics has become such a big part of so many people's lives. It is, you know, what is it? Is it our entertainment? Is it our sport in 2026? And hopefully we can change that. I don't know. Do you have thoughts there, Damien? Yeah. Um, you know what? One thing that I love watching. I love watching the House of Representatives proceedings. And if you go back and look at like during the 80s, and although, you know, tip, I think tip O'Neill was the speaker speaker with one right. Again, was there sure was right. In particular time.

36:12And you know, you had a new Gingrich was there during that particular time. With Clinton, Gingrich was there with Clinton. Right. And they engaged each other differently. It was still a time of of of Gentile gentlemen engaging with one another. You fast forward to about 2012, 2014, 2016. You look at those proceedings. Everybody's lost their mind in a way they engage each other. They're yelling, they're screaming, they're insulting each other, tweeting insults about each other and their families and things of that nature. And people take their cue from their leaders. So if Congress is taking personal shots at each other, if Congress is now cursing each other out in public, if Congress is having shouting matches and not staying focus on the issues that they were elected to go legislate, then what do you think that every day regular people are going to do? And so it's just been a continuum of what they've seen in the halls of

37:13Congress and it's trickled down and I, I don't know how to get a handle on it. But one way I will say that I talk about outside of Congress is we need men to step up in this country. A lot of men have taken the back seat and stop being leaders. A lot of men are, are their backs are not straight right now. A lot of men are not stepping up and really leading their family and really leading their children, standing up for their daughters and standing up with them, showing their sons how to be men, especially when it comes to expressing themselves and contributing to social conversations. And what we've seen particularly in a lot of liberal spaces is men take a back seat, men let the women lead, men, they're quiet because they don't want to get any scrutiny. And that's how we've seen a great portion of this degradation of American culture.

38:13And at the end of the day, God is charging the men to lead our families and to lead our communities. And so men have to straighten our backs up, open our mouths and speak loud and protect our children and protect our wives and really talk about and bring God back into the conversation. Get men back in church. Get men back speaking about their faith in public and don't let anybody shame you about it. And when men set the temperature and set the tempo and set the example about number one, I'm God first. Number two, I'm an American and everything else falls in place after that. We will see our young men straightening up. We will see our young daughters straightening up. We will see our political leaders be better because the men are challenging them and not allowing this debauchery to be normalizing our country. For me, I put the onus on the man. And I think that's one way that we can begin to back on track some way. But man, book I'm going to be honest with you,

39:18we've got a longer way to go. We do. It's a big mountain to climb. They mean by the way, how old are you? I am 41, 41, nice young conservative voice here, Reverend Damian Thaddeus Jones, he's challenging us to confront uncomfortable truths about race, power and political identity. And he invites all of us to enjoy that into enjoying into that conversation about America's future, a future where black voters wield their influence and boldness and clarity. The name of the book is called Black voters, red wave decoding the rise of Donald Trump's black support. Damian, thank you so much. I'll give you the last word here, but I appreciate you coming on. I have enjoyed our conversation together. Booker, thank you so much for having me. And I'll leave your wonderful listeners with this. And my favorite verse in the Bible is Matthew 23rd chapter and 11 verse. And it says, the greatest among you will be your servant. And so how do we make our time

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42:27just south of Nashville. My dad, for whatever reason, I still to this day, don't know, probably will never find out. He's been dead for six years now. I won't be able to ask him at this time anyway, maybe one day, maybe maybe one day. But I never found out why exactly he wanted to farm because he is from Chicago. He was from Chicago, Illinois, had no experience on a farm, but that's what we did. We bought 11 acres and it was in a bedroom community called Murphries, Burrow, Tennessee. It's about 25 miles southeast on the way to Chattanooga from Nashville. And that's where I finished growing up, elementary school, middle school, high school, even went to college there. Back then it was a university town. Middle Tennessee State University is there. It was a sleepy little town, really. It was a small community. It was a great place to grow up. I loved it. And I still have a lot of friends there. I still followed them on Facebook. And I also followed the local radio station. And that's where I'm going to go with the segment because of the

43:28program that was on Sunday night. They caught my attention. Have you heard about 287 G'd? Do you know what that is? Section 287 G of the US Immigration and Nationality Act. Well, it authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to deputize selected state and local law enforcement officers to enforce federal immigration law. So in Murphries, Burrow, Tennessee, which is Rutherford County, which by the way, it has grown a lot since I grew up there. We moved there in 1976, I believe. And like I said, it was a sleepy little town. The nice little country town is what it was. Now it's huge. It is exploded. Nashville is exploded. And so has Murphries, Burrow and Rutherford County. It is now the third largest county in the state of Tennessee. You have Memphis, Shelby County, Nashville, Davidson County. They're one and two. And then you have Rutherford County. Murphries, Burrow is number three. Actually larger than Chattanooga and larger than Knoxville. A couple of other

44:31big cities there in the state of Tennessee. The Rutherford County Sheriff is Mike Fichu. And he has said that he would never use his deputies to go after illegal immigrants. That's what he said. But then there was a little change in the last couple of weeks there in Rutherford County, Murphries, Burrow, with this section 287 G. Sheriff Fichu has agreed to this 287 G, which would allow when they arrest an illegal immigrant and there is a detainer for them by eyes that they will hold the illegal immigrant. To me, it's a no brainer. It makes perfect sense. Why would you not be for that? If this were a regular criminal, let's say that it was someone that had committed murder in Montana, would Sheriff Fichu and his deputies not hold that person for extra addition to Montana? Of course, they would. So if you have an illegal immigrant that is a criminal, which at this point, that's really all Donald Trump and the DHS and I are rounding up. They're not rounding up children

45:36in schools. That's not what they're doing. They're not rounding up just illegal immigrants at this point. They're rounding up the criminals, the ones that have murdered, the ones that have raped. That's who they're trying to get off the street. For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone wouldn't want that just because they're illegal immigrants. For some reason, they want to give these people a pass. That's what the left is saying. And when I went to Facebook and I came across this story, it was a live radio program in my former hometown of Murphries, Burrow, Tennessee. And Murphries, Burrow, Tennessee, Rutherford County voted heavily for Donald Trump in the 2024 election. It was 60 40 60% Donald Trump 40% for Kamala Harris. Close to it. It was a blowout. There's no doubt that Rutherford County, Tennessee is a red county. It is also Donald Trump County. It is a MAGA County. That's really what it is. So when I came across this story and this show,

46:38I was shocked at what I heard. I'm going to play some of this for you because I think it's important for us to understand the other perspective and what the other side is saying because what they are saying is nothing like I'm saying. I say this all the time about illegal immigrants. It's time for them to go. We need to get these criminals out of here. It needs to be done now. So when people start talking the way these guys did and what really what they're doing is calling Sheriff Fitz you onto the carpet for making an agreement with the Homeland Security in this 287 G. They don't want their deputies to hold criminal illegal aliens in their jail. But I was shocked at what I heard on this local small radio station in Murphries, Burrow, Tennessee from Ed Raymer is the guy's name who does the show on Sunday night. Along with him was the Democrat National Committee chairman for Rutherford County. His name is Matt

47:39Thie. And here he is talking about what happened two weeks ago when Fitchu said we're not going to do this. We're not going to have our deputies going after illegal immigrants. And then the activism that they created to get people to show up to a council meeting, county government meeting, to try to make their voices heard so that the sheriff would not do this agreement. Here is the DNC chairman in the county of Rutherford County, Tennessee. His name is Matt Thie. I think I'd noticed a social media post from someone that said hey, Rutherford County is now pending a 287 G agreement with ICE. So just sort of right now is a 287 G is basically like a it gives local police ability to do work for ICE and either as themselves or in the jail or whatever.

48:43Having noticed that, that was the first time it had come up. I don't know how long it had been pending, but basically you go to ICE's website and you can see all of the law enforcement agencies that are pending any kind of agreement with ICE or all the ones that are actually active. And it was known. Excuse me. Rutherford County is now showing pending for a warrant service officer. Okay. So I mentioned hey, if you want to say something about it, there's a public safety meeting coming up on Monday. Let's go there and say we want to talk about the sheriff's report. And so that's how we got there. There was multiple groups involved, especially Remix TN, there's like an immigrant, you know, the advocacy group. And they did a lot of work with coordinating and getting people to sign up for public comment at that meeting. So they go to the public meeting and they make comments. Everybody that spoke was against this 287 G.

49:46If you go to ice.gov slash identify and arrest, if you go to that website, you will see every state and county and city that is involved with ICE and the 287 G agreement. I can tell you this. I'm looking at the map now, California, Oregon, Washington and Illinois. Those are four states that have no agreement with ICE. That is not surprising. You also have a little bit of Delaware, a little bit of Vermont, the entire state of Connecticut, the entire state of New Jersey. All of those states have no agreement with ICE, which means these illegal immigrants that are committing crimes and have committed crimes where they came from are running free in these states and these states are doing nothing to help Donald Trump and ICE get these people out of here. But I want to go back to the radio show on 1450 WGNS in Murphy's Barrel. Listen to the comments now

50:47from Ed Raymer as they continue the conversation. Here's the rub. At the public safety meeting, as we mentioned, everyone, those that spoke all against this. Now what we're talking about with ICE, we're talking about the guys that are coming in with the mask and they don't have to have, they don't have to have a reason to my knowledge. They can come in and just pick you up and take you off and I guess do what they want. Okay, that's a lie. That's not true. And I don't even know why Ed Raymer on this radio show is saying that. He doesn't know what he's talking about. And he probably shouldn't be talking about it. Both of these guys are leftists, they're Democrats, again, in a city and a county that was heavily favoring Donald Trump in the 2024 election. The things that he says are important to understand from the perspective of the left. And what they are saying against Donald Trump and the things that his administration is doing, you hear him say that these ICE people are wearing the masks. You know, it's obvious that they

51:50watch MSNBC because that's the narrative that they are teaching people over there. Well, they're wearing masks. I've covered it on this show before so that they're not killed. It's for their protection is what it's for. Let's go back to Ed Raymer. He is the host of this show. Let's let him run his mouth a little bit more. Trump has given him where to do this. Somebody's going to fool around. Someone's going to get hurt. Okay. And basically, we don't know who these people are. Right. To my knowledge, there are a bunch of thugs. He's talking about ICE there. We don't know who these people are. Well, let me tell you who they are, Ed Raymer and WGNS. They are federal law enforcement officers. They have gone through training. They have gone through background checks. They are wearing masks so that other people don't try to hurt them because leftist liberal stupid Democrats in some of these cities have tried to hurt them. They have docks to them. Politicians have docks to them. So why wouldn't they

52:53wear a mask? They are not thugs. They are federal law enforcement officials. And what you're talking about Ed Raymer and WGNS is dangerous. You are dangerous, not Donald Trump and not ICE. So here's the thing, right? We were talking about this a little bit earlier before we came on the air. And listen how much Matt Fee uses the word right. I talked about it last week about a linguistic tie down when someone isn't confident in what they're saying or they're trying to sell you something. They will use right in a rhetorical way. This guy has a real problem with it. He can't say two sentences without saying right, which is a tie down to further the conversation on something that you don't know what you're really talking about. And you're just trying to sell something to someone. Here he goes. The agreement that was pending at the time was for a warrant service officer. To my knowledge, what that means is that if someone is brought into the Rutherford County jail

53:56and ICE has a civil warrant against that person, then Rutherford County Sheriff's deputies conserved that warrant on that person in the jail. Whereas before, ICE would have to come and do that themselves. Okay. So even though it may be, let's call it the least of the bad options in these 287G agreements with ICE, to me, the fact of the matter is that Rutherford County is entering into an agreement with ICE. I don't care what model it is. I don't care that you're, you know, whether it's the one that sends deputies out into the community to do, you know, task force work. I don't want that one. I don't want them doing anything on ICE behalf. Why not? Why wouldn't you? Because these are criminals that Donald Trump and ICE are getting out of this country. They are bad people. These are people that murdered Lake and Riley, Nungaree. And I could go on list the names over and over. It happened for years. It's still happening every day. Why wouldn't

54:59you want these people out of your country? Do you want them to live next door to you? Matt Thee, Ed Raymer on WGNS Radio. You want these people for your neighbors? They committed rapes? They molested children, murderers. You don't know who they are. Joe Biden never knew who they were. None of these people were vetted. So now ICE is making agreement with a town like Murphriesboro, Tennessee, Rutherford County, Tennessee. And the sheriff there, Mike Fitchy, I actually went to high school and middle school with both of his daughters. They don't want to make an agreement there in Rutherford County that the jail will just hold these bad guys that ICE has a detainer on. They would rather have them released onto their streets. And these people think they make any sense. They think Donald Trump is the bad guy that ICE is the bad guy. I want you to understand this perspective because this perspective is out there all over the country. If it's there in a place like Murphriesboro,

56:00Tennessee, it's everywhere. Let's go on with it. Because it's just like what you said, you know, we see these videos and reports every single day right now where ICE is just disappearing people off the street. Right. For almost no reason whatsoever except for the fact that they're color of their skin. Wait, just a minute. For no other reason than the color of their skin, he says they broke a law. They came into this country when they weren't supposed to. Let's start there. Let's get the people out of here that aren't supposed to be here, especially the criminals. I'm Booker and you've been listening to the Truth Be Told. I appreciate that and don't forget you were told 2,000 years ago that you are the salt of the earth and salt without labor. It has no value. So whatever you do, keep being salty. Have a great night. There is only one truth. You've been listening to The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott on America Out Loud.