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We will start with the SEC in the big 10, the big bad dogs.

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Can we put a stop to their reign of terror?

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The news this week, Cody Campbell pairing with Louisville and Louisville wrote a big

long article about this.

This comes from their administration saying, you know what, we're done.

The big 10 and the SEC have taken over for too long and they are dismantling college

athletics.

If we do not do something now, it will be too late.

John Kurtz has talked about this saying Cody Campbell has their ear and the SEC and the

big 10 are now writing a response paper and they're going back and forth.

Effectively, I think we're finally all coming to terms of the fact of the government as

much as I am not usually pro government stepping into things, let's just we're, nope, this

is one of those where like the government's going to have to step in.

Otherwise, the big 10 of the SEC are going, what the hell are you eating, Paul?

He's got to be, he's got to play the part now.

There's a role here.

That's good, man.

Do you feel like a fruit roll up or what do you got going on there, Paul?

It's a reason.

A what?

Is that what does it even mean?

It's a reason.

Of little, it's like only in West Virginia kind of thing.

Is that a grandma candy?

What the hell is that?

I have never heard of that.

So, I had, yeah, you got to board that out.

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No, no, no, no.

He blew it.

I stayed care of those earlier and it was pulling the steak out of my teeth and I didn't

know you guys could hear it.

Sorry.

I, these have been defund for like 30 years.

Paul's eating a very, very stale and this could kill a regular human being, but Paul

is superhuman.

It's required for my, my, yeah.

So.

Is this a better?

What is this?

I have an abnormal gut.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Rails this quickly, by the way.

I was brought in.

He said, hey, look, this is, it's a great group of guys.

We're going to talk about sports.

Apparently I learn about old MREs that Tubby found that there we go.

There we go.

Deep in the mountain hollers.

But you have a couple of rats and that's how no Gibson came up with the passion of

the Christ.

Okay.

Very true.

Did you make shells like in your basement?

What's going on?

Where did this come from?

I've never heard of it.

Why are we talking about Paul's basement right now when we're supposed to be talking about

the SEC?

All right.

And we'll get there.

But Paul, just for the listeners who are listening, just showed us a, okay, Google,

a German brand of individually wrapped chewy chocolate caramel candies covered in 45%

cocoa dark chocolate.

I've never heard of this in my life.

You just whipped out some German chocolate on the show.

And he didn't bring enough of the class.

Like that's the big problem.

I don't think the cloud.

I don't even think I wanted it.

I don't.

I'm scared of this.

Several of my mouth at one time.

Hey, you're speaking of MREs that before there we go.

I think we can all, look, we'll talk today on today.

We will talk today show about West Virginia, the bubble and how ESPN has kind of boxed out

the big 12 on plenty of different subjects.

But at TCU in the bubble that the list goes on, the big 12 schools are not getting the

respect they deserve.

But this whole big 10 SEC thing is legit, like they've got the National Networks Fox DSPN

by the cajonas.

They've got Fox DSPM in their mouths and they are doing whatever they can to take college

football where they want it to go.

And the big 12 is not included in that.

Yeah, of course.

And the sanctimonies nature in which the big 10 and the SEC are pretending to operate

about how, you know, they don't need somebody else coming in and changing the landscape

of college football because it was already changed in 1984.

I don't know if you read the write up that they paid to have put together, but it was

absolute nuts to see them of all people pretending that they're here to protect college football.

So if we change stuff, it would be bad for college football is this, it's, it's La La Land

fellows.

Hmm.

I mean, look, I'm already here of refugee from the, from the pack 12, we already added

it happened to me once as they asked you guys like thank you, USC for breaking that up.

I don't, I know they want more money here, guys, but can I at least have like three years

in a conference before it gets blown up again?

Can I ask a question, please go ahead, Drake, go ahead, Tony, I think Cody's the longest

tender to one of all of us here, fill up new guy, Phil, hey, so welcome to the big 12 squad.

Do you think that the big 12s in danger of falling apart here the next couple of like,

what do you, what do you feel about the stability of the big 12 conference?

New guy, Phil.

I, I mean, I don't know.

Oh, I got to pull this all out there.

I think it really depends on how much regulation we can get involved with this because on

the one hand, yeah, keep, you have teams like Notre Dame that are saying, look, we're in

the college football playoff regardless of what happens.

If we are ranked in the top 50, we deserve to be in there because we are just holier,

we are so good at this.

I don't know how that happened.

I like we're going to guarantee you're not saying that like if Alabama exists, they probably

should be in the playoffs.

Like, there is so many headwinds working against whoever's not the SEC in the big 10 that,

yeah, I have no doubt that we're going to go to some, unless there can be something done

to stop it unless popular, unless there's popular sentiment saying, hey, we let

like regional conferences, we like having, you know, rivalries, you're going to have some

super league.

It's going to be the big SEC or whatever.

And it's going to have the top 15 teams of the country.

And everyone else is going to be just sitting here eating risons.

German, German, not a bad secondary option if you ask me, Paul, it's pro-Raisen.

Actually, so I think Philip makes a great point here and let's, let's go there next.

It is at the reason we're going to break here and go to, because I want to flush it out.

Josh Pate posted a list of if he could change college football tomorrow and go back to conferences

that make sense, because they do not make sense.

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All right, Jens, so here is what Josh Pate proposed this still alive, by the way, Josh Pate

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This is his proposal.

He wants to hold on make this make this clear for you guys because you're all going to

complain that you can't see it.

He wants to revitalize revamped college football via his own expansion plan.

And I am now proposing the idea to you guys of whether or not this is the way to go.

If we could go back yesterday and make it all right, if we could start over, West Virginia

shouldn't be in the big 12.

If we could start over Arizona stage should be the big 12.

They should be the conference with BYU with Utah and with USC and guess what?

West Virginia should be the conference with Pitt and Louisville and Virginia Tech.

If we could go back and do it all over again, we would do it here to make a whole lot

more sense, but we ruined it that we can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, obviously.

However, if I could vote right now, we have a magic wand and go back to this to have

regionality and college athletics to have regionality in sports.

I would do it.

None of you are on the screen, but you can begin speaking now.

So I got to say that I love having a big Josh Pate story because he hadn't been in

the news a lot lately and I love having more Josh Pate things to talk about, especially

because Drake, I feel like if anyone would know about needing to redo and put toothpaste

back in a tube and just go back in time, Josh Pate absolutely is the guy to want to do

it.

Now, I will say as locked on Cougs hosts, we've talked, when Houston got to the big 12 by

this 30-year gap, the Southwest Conference falls apart, Houston gets left out of the

big 12.

They're still trying to recoup all of the time loss.

There's a generation of fans that are now donating to all of your programs that never

happened that Houston, right?

I do think, though, that Southwest Conference thing you just had, that's the water cooler

talk at every job around here all the time is this hypothetical match up between the Bernard

School and the Maroon School and all those like that still is the conversation happening

in Texas is the surrounding state.

It's like, okay, well, who would win between SMU and Texas or Texas, Texas, or whatever

in a given year or in basketball right now, you'd have Houston and Baylor and whatever,

talking like the same kind of conversation.

That'd be fun.

The regional aspect of this was so great for so long and as someone who got left out

of it once upon a time, it'd be great.

It does make this kind of feel like we just got here for nothing, like Phil pointed out

a second ago, right?

We all just got to this four mega conference, like, you know, four gigantic 16 plus team

leagues.

And like, it feels like, you know, how far can you really try to experiment with what you

call it completely failed?

As someone who just got there, it feels kind of, you know, wait, hold on, we're already

going back and up now, you know, we just got there.

I would say the only Cincinnati, the only one that we've added to the big 12 that hasn't

carried weight yet.

Agreed.

Everyone else has done something.

I mean, Utah is a hype at that, yeah, the hypothetical something, right, they want

10 games this year, when I look at that, Josh Payton thing, it validates that he absolutely

hates the big 12 or the origination of the big eight, because why is he putting Utah?

I'm so flipping tired of Utah.

I do not want to be with them, get them a part of them, any flick it, get them, I'd rather

be rice and be next to you, then be playing, get this Utah business, look, I'll take

Utah back.

Okay.

You put ASU back in the pack, the heels of the pack 10, I hated those games because they

killed every promising ASU season in the last five years, but I'll take, I'll take

Utah.

That's fine.

I just want to go crush Oregon's dreams in the desert every year, you know, we don't

get that anymore.

You, of course, you talk about these matchups that don't make sense.

Why in the world is Stanford in the ACC?

Because Josh Payton can do whatever he wants.

No, no, like they're back in the pack 10, that's fine.

You're talking about egregious prospects of these four mega conferences.

Why in the world are there two California schools in the ACC?

Probably, I'm assuming Josh Payton still has something to do with us.

To be fair, those California schools are at least on a coast.

Those ponies and Dallas have zero, I mean, there's not even a lake really.

I mean, there's not a whole lot of water there.

Gator.

You know, we got white, we got white rock lake.

Yeah.

Hey, did they put, where, where did they put West Virginia in that graphic Paul, they,

did he throw you back in the ACC?

It was back in the big east, which I mean, you know, we're missing a few schools there

that like Maryland, Maryland, West Virginia, Maryland, go back a long way, rivalry wise.

But obviously, the Rutgers, that might be worse than Utah, my bad.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, USF would, I mean, if you're going to bring back the big east, USF was actually

ranked as highest number two in the country when they were in the big east, they were really

good at one point in time.

But I mean, I'm not, obviously, they're not in a powerful conference now, I get it.

But, you know, obviously, for West Virginia, Virginia taking pit, there's a hundred years

of history on both sides of that, you know, there's a ton of regionality involved in that.

I think it's simple, simple things in life for what people care about.

And I drive to the game or not, or do I have to book a flight and call off work, you

know?

It's so simple.

And yet they still eff it up.

It's crazy.

The ability to drive to Black, you know, to Blacksburg or the ability to drive to Maryland

or the ability to them, for them to drive to Morgantown, you know, pits an hour away.

Virginia Tech's two hours away.

It's insane, you know, the hatred to, you know, I was real worried about where you about

to say you were driving ball.

So I'm glad you clarified there the second one.

I will say, though, the other thing, and this is probably unique to Texas is that like

Lubbock and Houston are still like 10 hours away, like I, that's probably unique to the

geography of the region, but like Tulane and Tech and that Southwest conference thing going

from New Orleans to Lubbock, that's a long way and still feels like there's a regionality

to it that I kind of think works, right?

Like, it's not necessarily just driving distance, but there's more to it than just that.

And there's also you're in the same time zone, right?

There's, it's one thing to say, I, you know, I can't drive from Lubbock to middle of nowhere

at Louisiana.

That's fine.

But I don't have to stay up until two in the morning to watch my team play.

You know, I don't have to go to, I, I have a job.

I can still follow ASU, like obviously if I'm an ASU alum and I live on these coasts,

that's a different thing.

But, you know, I shouldn't be these conference games that are all over the place.

That's a lot easier for me to follow if it's in my, the time zone of the school that

is playing.

Correct.

That's a great point.

Also, we can take two minutes on this.

If you have a politician on your show, because you know what, I'll say, I think a couple

of us have had Josh paid on our shows.

I like Josh paid.

That was fun number.

Always been great to me.

Always been great to me.

Yeah.

Me too.

There's a, there is a dividing line of like, hey, this person is a politician.

If he percent of people are going to react to this negatively, 20% 30% 40% 40% 40%

you start to weigh the odds of that percentage, right?

Ultimately paid deleted video with the president.

That's all it.

I'm also, I'm pro.

Don't delete.

Like, leave that thing up.

Let it run out.

Let the conversation.

In fact, don't delete the thing.

Don't wave white flags.

Don't be clear.

He didn't leave the full episode.

There was just like a split off.

Right.

Like the full episode.

So it'd be like locked on big 12 posts.

Hey, here's the best segment so that you can just digest what you came to see.

And the idea there would be for paid or locked on big 12.

This is the, this is the magma opus.

This is what you go and see.

That is don't, I think a lot of the listeners of this show of our shows listen to Josh

Payton, I'm not berating you for listening to him.

Right.

I would, I'd say in a spot like this, the president invites you to the White House.

Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Ronald Reagan, George Washington, go to the White House.

Do you ever make your own personal decision or do whatever you like?

Have a relationship with the president.

That's fine.

I think the second you bring into your listenership that, and you don't send it around sports.

I listen to the interview and it was not really about sports either.

That's what I'm like, yeah, but that's what I'm like, okay, maybe we don't.

You just don't have to, you don't have to alienate 30% of your listenership.

That's just, it was just a bad interview.

Maybe he was trying to expand his horizon a little bit there.

That's, that was my thought when I watched it, maybe he was trying to get into another

medium.

Maybe it is.

What a risk.

I haven't seen it yet, but I assumed Trump being a sports dude.

They would talk a lot of sports.

So I figured it out some, it would make some sense.

Yeah.

I mean, the pipeline from college football to the Senate is kind of least right.

Well, I think though that Drake, though thing, and I mean, you had a lot of points,

I'm saying you missed something on purpose.

The thing that you missed though is paid head to that point, been pretty adamant about

like, hey, let's just talk ball.

Right.

I think that that like, that was kind of, well, his being was like, I'm the guy that

just talks.

Right.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Just the normal sports guy.

Right.

I remember though, he started talking ball and Trump didn't know what the heck he was

talking about.

Like, he was struggling to keep up inside of the air.

That's what that's going to.

Oh, really?

You can't ask Trump.

I think he pivoted though because he was, he, it was obvious that there was a disconnect,

you know what I mean?

I don't know if that's why he pivoted or not.

I'm not trying to make excuses for Josh.

I need to go with it, but it was like, clearly Trump was not fully, he didn't understand

everything that he was asking about, which I think that's why you ultimately probably

like, hey, this is not something, and surely the president reached out, his office reached

out to pay.

I can't imagine Josh to just emailing everybody by every politician waiting for the opportunity.

And you weigh that, right?

You weigh the, the, the cost analysis of this, paid weighted.

He did it.

It blew up in his face a little bit.

It would be tantalizing.

Yeah.

Tell me, but they didn't have a list of subjects they were going to go over.

Like, I think it was in prop two in a way, by the, uh, the media office.

Right.

I don't think they would just give him up.

They, they, they, they, they, they, they breathe that stuff to a tee.

And they, I, I think, I think Pete has to understand this guy doesn't know ball like

that, which also fine.

I don't need my politicians to, to know for it.

I mean, yeah, I don't need that.

I don't really care.

Did it's a matter of, okay, if that's not going to add your sports conversation with

the sports guy, then it's not really, like, hey, it paint says, I'm going to, I have

my separate podcast, the Josh Pate show of Josh Pate in the world.

Yeah, dude, talk about politics.

I don't care about side your sports show.

Yeah, you have what I believe you want.

You know, I actually, I assume the intersectionality would be this Cody Campbell and, and

will the government get involved?

I figured that would be, that's, that's, no, not really.

They not touch on that.

That's what they do.

Yeah, but it wasn't really a, a focal point.

But it wasn't like a memorable piece of, hey, this, you know, what's going to happen?

But good, good discourse, good discourse.

My friend was Nick Saban, right?

Like it was, it was like, he, he knows the people.

But again, I, hey, credit to, to most of you guys for at least, you know, watching it

and, and at least giving it a shot, just to see, because that's, look, that open-mindedness

to me is, is an important thing in sports and politics.

You mix the two.

You take a risk and I'm still going to listen to Josh Pate.

I'm still going to watch Josh Pate.

Absolutely.

I'm doing the next step, so yeah, I'm still going to text him whenever I feel like, hey,

I really need Josh Pate's thoughts on this.

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Paul let's go to you. And again, recording on Monday night with intention to release on Thursday. So things could have happened, but I think even if West Virginia will say lost to Kansas state earlier this week in a game that will happen, I don't care if we're going to let Auburn at 16 and 15 5 and 11 and SEC play get into March madness and have West Virginia. So distinctly Jolen already has West Virginia group with Baylor somehow. I do not understand how we're not a lot

allowing the middle of the pack in the best conference in America to have like if Colorado at 16 and 13 6 and 10 and big 12 play had that record in the SEC which is a worse conference Jolen already would have no notice that is a problem. That is a serious problem.

I mean, I feel like the committee Otis won a little bit, right?

I mean, after last year, after every single bracket, you know,

bracket matrix had never missed.

Every single bracket had West Virginia in.

And because of Bubba, Mr. Bubba Cunningham, we missed, right?

Because his beloved Tar Heels needed in.

Um, you know, obviously this is a.

We control our destiny still.

I think we, if we went out, we're in a decent spot.

We may need to win one in the conference tournament.

You really depends on what the rest of the bubble does.

I did some blind resume tests on my show earlier today.

I'll give you one really quick.

So this is a team that, you know, in my opinion,

probably shouldn't be in the tournament.

But let's talk about it really quick.

Because if you look at their record.

19 and 10.

Right? Or I'm sorry, 17 and 12.

That's 41, 2 and 11 in quad one, 2 and 1 and quad two.

Do you know who that is?

Anybody know who that is off the top?

That would be Indiana, a team with.

Two quad one wins.

Two and one and quad two.

And somehow they are above West Virginia.

Darin degrees have lost four straight games.

And they're still in the tournament.

Um, somebody explain that one to me.

And you can go Auburn as well.

Um, you think Bruce Pearl is probably worth four more wins

for that team this year if they get a cap him around.

Maybe they're also not as good as they were last one.

I think the thing to me is.

It's the exact inverse of the SEC argument in coach football playoff.

Right, which is a much smaller field.

And they'll tell you that a three loss SEC team needs that 10, 11, 12 spot.

Because those three losses are just because they play in the SEC.

Well, the inverse of that is exactly this in the big 12 with basketball.

TCU has beaten some very good teams played Michigan down to a nail bider.

And ultimately it's going to sit at about 500 in this league, right?

Like that.

That's the way that goes.

They lost to a bad Colorado team that is probably going to keep them around 500, right?

Truthfully, they took Michigan down to the wire.

And Michigan's going to be a one seed.

Like you're telling me they couldn't have an upset in the first weekend if you gave them the same chance.

And this is, it just, it feels like the exact same argument.

But it's not being applied for, you know, dollars or whatever, whatever you want to put it on.

Meanwhile, I would point out while I'm talking about, well, I'm brought up dollars.

The big 12s doing very well in terms of TV ratings and basketball, right?

Like big Mondays and big 12 teams doing very well Saturday afternoon, Saturday night.

Like prime time big 12 basketballs doing very well.

You'd think this would start to spin at some point and it's not.

Got to win it.

Got to win it, fellas.

Yeah.

I mean, obviously, let's Virginia's case.

I'm sorry, Bill.

And those are in his case.

You have to win out, right?

I mean, and the thing is, is no, no big 12 team has never been above 500 have missed, right?

I've got some people telling me that if we went out and we're 10 and eight, we're probably still going to miss.

That's what people are telling me.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

In it.

Sorry.

It's like, yeah, sorry.

I don't mean to step on those dates, toes here.

I look at the conference, though.

You see mentioned West Virginia sitting there at eight and eight.

Is there any doubt that BYU at eight and eight would get in though for the TV dollar because we want to see debons on the tournament?

That's right.

And you nailed it.

It is silly.

Now, now, and this is pushed back just a tad.

This is it should open the conversation up to, yeah, eight and eight isn't all made the same based on non-conference.

Like BYU is beating some of the best teams in college basketball, at least played them close.

Right.

Like you come.

That's a game they're going to use the end.

And so yes, this is a different.

So be aware BYU could be a five or six seed.

And West Virginia should be a seven seed.

I don't even think West Virginia should just squarely begin.

Right.

I'm Oregon that they should both be in.

I'm sorry if that wasn't like.

Yeah.

Okay.

If one is they should both be, but I ain't just based over a quad one wins.

I feel like we should be in.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

We've done some really good games.

We've beaten Kansas.

We've beaten UCF.

We've now beaten BYU.

Yeah.

I mean, it's kind of silly.

It's well, and it's just it is.

It's the silly.

And we've kind of.

The silly losses.

The Utah.

The Oklahoma.

That's what's killing us.

That's what's terrible.

But it's the Utah.

It's the Baylor.

It's, you know, the home losses to bad teams.

And yeah, in relative to where you want to be as far as big 12 schools and their status.

I'd say Baylor's a bad team right now.

They.

Yes.

Certainly good spurts.

That's anybody the big 12 Oklahoma state on their best day could beat Kansas and still water.

Because it's the big 12 that our basketball is that deep.

I believe that.

And also it's probably because Darren Peterson won't play that game.

Ha ha ha ha.

Baylor has a lot of perception being a big deal in football.

Let's say that Houston beats Florida for the natty and basketball last season.

Does that change this conversation at all?

And maybe.

And while the money.

That obviously does.

I think what's interesting though Cody is like, you know, Houston has 60 seconds away from

a title.

Right.

But tech was also of double digits down the stretch in the early day game.

And then you could add two big 12 final four teams were that close to that.

And you've had big 12 teams actually win it recently in Kansas and Baylor.

And tech was in the final in 2019.

So while I guess they didn't win it last year, the big 12 has had success.

It's not quite apples apples to me.

I know, but it feels like other conferences.

If we give them an excuse to bury the big 12 are going to do it every time.

Here's my question.

How.

How much of this flows down from other sports?

Right.

So yes, big 12 great basketball year in the past couple of years.

We've been very good.

Even if ASU is kind of got through that in there.

But football is if if basketball money is here, football money is off my screen.

Right.

And we all know the SEC it just means more they have the big football dollars.

We were talking about this at the start of the show.

How much of this is well, even if we're going to take Auburn, for example,

even if Auburn is mid to poor, a kind of okay at basketball.

They have such a big fan base from their other sports that the calculus says.

They're going to bring more money into the broadcast.

They're going to more bring more viewership in.

Then a very good Texas tech team that.

You know, it is.

Newer school, newer program that maybe it.

Doesn't have that level of well, we're, you know, we're Auburn, right?

Or Eagle.

Let's go.

Yeah.

I think there is something to that for sure.

And I didn't think you know, when you like I'll use West Virginia one more time.

You look at what West Virginia's had to go through the last four years on your fourth coaching four years.

Yeah.

I think that's definitely one of the part of this.

What is that just the fly like I said on your show the other day, Drake.

The flying WV used to have a lot of brand power.

And it's lost a lot of brand power in both major sports.

Over the last half decade or a little more after Bob Huggins was let go and ceremoniously.

And when they'll Brown took over, unfortunately, so we got work to do.

We're hoping to regain some of that in the next couple of years because time is running out.

Yeah.

Good.

I think that's a great spot.

And of course, Paul, who is our wise sage and doctor to end us on a on a high note.

Thank you.

Mount near Paul and park green towards Cody still.

And we're a hockey school now, Drake.

Oklahoma states a hockey school.

Go build that ring.

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