Bill Kristol: Keep Up the Pressure, Dems

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2:19Hello and welcome to the bullwork daily. I'm your host Tim Miller. It is Monday. So of course, we have editor at large bill crystal. Hey, Bill. Hey, Tim. How are you? I'm doing well. I've got some announcements for people real quick. Take us for the live shows, ACC country are on sale. Bill is going to be with us in Atlanta. You know, we're going to do Atlanta stuff while we're there. So get your tickets now. We have, I think a really exciting guest. I want to jinx it coming in Charlotte. Not the bill is not exciting for Atlanta. He is. I can take it. I can take it. I'm not, you know, offended. It's just I'm happy to be second. Second banana. Second banana is me, you know, people will be excited about the show. I guess. And I'm planning on getting a little loose. I got one of my buddies coming in Columbia. So what any of the shows will be a win. Get your tickets to the bullwork.com slash events. Last week, Bill and I discussed that the Labor Day pod be a retrospective on 1994 2006 and then also kind of a look ahead to this midterms. Sort of a wave year special episode. We heard a lot of feedback. The people want that.

3:19So I'm getting my hair. My story is ready. Bill's refreshing. He's been married about 1994. I got this t-shirt brought to me. My former pod goho's Cameron Kasky brought this to me. This is a operation desert storm t-shirt. So, you know, that was a freedom and justice for all, you know, so we're kind of getting in the 90s spirit for Phil Crystal. Thank you, Tim. I'm pleased you didn't have a World War two t-shirt for me. World War one, you know, Spanish American one. Operation Desert Storm, the good old days. Anyway, so that's all coming up today show. I don't know. The world is so strange. I guess we're going to start with war. If we're going to do some Operation Desert Storm references, we'll start with the war being back on Ish in Iran. There was an exchange of fire in the state of Hormuz yesterday. First, US forces struck Iranian launchers on the Lark Island. The rockets were allegedly according to central command set to disperse sea mines into the strait.

4:21Now, that is interesting because the administration was bragging to Axias, just like 36 hours prior to that, that the seas were open. Seas were open. And you know the seas are open when you've got a bomb, the launchers that have the sea mines on them. That's a great sign that sees are open. Insurance companies love that. Hours later, Iran retaliated by firing a few missiles towards Jordan, all of which were intercepted. We are kind of running out of interceptors. So partial good news there. That is the state of play. Meanwhile, there's also a leak with some warnings from top generals, military leaders advising Hegs that prolonging large scale operations that Iran's unsustainable at risk, tweaking their ability to confront threats everywhere. There are too many troops there, 50,000. The warnings came from the head of the Army Navy and Air Force and Force Star Commanders over seeing US operations in Europe, Asia and Latin America. That was quite the leak to a Washington Post. So that's the state of play. Honestly, it's good that some of the military or someone in the defense department, I suppose, or maybe elsewhere in the government, the National Security Council

5:23are revealing certain things to us since the military. The defense department has been utterly unrevealing about anything that's happened. Very struck by this recent report. You know, people are getting people who were in the military are getting more and more alarmed and also outraged what's happened to our bases there. For example, something we've discussed before and the degree to which the damage that was done to huge US hubs by Iranian drones, disabling them. And we know that that's why the sailors on the USS Lincoln couldn't get the provisions and all that. Particularly that base in Bahrain, the naval support. Yes, it's a huge, it's our biggest, maybe our biggest naval base, anywhere or certainly abroad or anywhere in the region, certainly. And the idea that it just gets put out of commission basically. And then, of course, we're not told about it and they sort of mislead everyone about it. And we're choice. We're dominant. We're winning. It's a slaughter of the Iranians. Anyway, yeah, it's bad. It just on this. This is Captain John Cordo, retired Captain, we're like, we're about to say military times. But you know, it's basically saying that the more we learn about the attacks on the NSA,

6:27the naval support base in Bahrain during the opening days of Operation Epic Fury, the clear becomes why the news of its near destruction was not initially reported or acknowledged extensive damage, etc., etc. So the bases more damage than acknowledged casualties, at least the injuries, the number of injured troops more than they were initially acknowledged. You know, some of this anytime in war, like there's some element of this. Like you don't want to signal like, hey, we're really fucked in Bahrain, right? Like there's some strategic reasons to not do this. But this feels like more than that, especially when you listen to ex-noitary people as far as the degree to which they've been hiding the ball. And you put it on top of all the lying about the strait is open and we're waiting and they're decimated. They have no capacity left to use anything to do anything anywhere. And then suddenly they're launching missiles at Jordan, you know, again. And it is true, like the black aid of the Iranian ships does seem to be having some impact. If you look at reports on the Iranian economy.

7:27So that is not holy made up. Like there's something to that. Who knows what like pressure that could end up putting on them. And like ships haven't been being able to get through the straight and four moves recently. But it's just not anywhere near the pre-war rate. And you know, again, we're not anywhere near any sort of actual sustainable deal. Obviously, based on the missile firing over the weekend. Yeah, and based on just the fact that everyone in the middle leaves that around the world as we can see from different reports is adjusting to this new reality where we were unable to impose our well on Iran, unable to keep the strait open, unable to keep it open going forward without some degree of bowing to Iranity and demands and pressure. The nuclear program is whatever it was, it hasn't changed. I mean, there has not suddenly the Iran is not hurrying to the table to assure us that they're giving up their nuclear weapons, Trump stopped demand, you know. So it's a failed war and failed wars have real consequences. Average gas prices still over four blocks again on two. So negative impacts here.

8:27On that Washington Post thing, more threats from the administration to crack down on the leakers. I was a serious leak. Across the board, you just continue to see assaults on, you know, on free speech, on efforts to communicate the truth about the administration. Trump was threatening Kristen Welker ridiculously over the weekend. We'll just continue to see like a lot of examples of this from the administration. Right. And then also hiring people there at the Defense Department to work. We're going to get to those. Okay. We're saving them. We'll come back and keep track of all the thugishness at the DOD. It is terrible. I just want to come back to maybe hexeth also since we all have such a low opinion of him. But having a thug running the Defense Department, I mean, it is bad, really bad for the country in so many ways and foreign policy in their home. I think it's really come home hasn't it? I feel like I've always been of course critical of hexeth, but as you have, but I feel like it's really come home in the well, of course, award does that right? And then the last month or two or three just across the board, how damaging and dangerous it is. Yeah. And incompetent. I'll get that.

9:29Yeah. Not even like really a skilled one. Speaking of thugishness in foreign policy, the Venezuela oil deal over the weekend is total madness. I just want to read some visits from the Wall Street journals report on this. The US government is going to take a direct financial stake in a private company, private ish that will would be granted century long rights to some of the world's largest proven oil reserves and Venezuela and tie us to the unelected government in Venezuela, the delsea Rodriguez, you know, coup government that we put in. The US would take a 35% passive stake in this company is run by Alejandro Betancourt. And we'd secure preferential rights to purchase 20% of its production at cost. Betancourt did face criminal investigations of alleged money laundering in Spain and Switzerland. So that's the guy that we're all going into business with. This is the US government. And the substance agreement is in direct conflict with Venezuela's constitution.

10:30The coup was also in in violation of the constitution. And then private like oil companies in America are going, what are we supposed to do now? Like we're going to be competing against the government that is, you know, pillorying the foreign country and taking some of the oil at cost. Why would we do that? Like what is the stability here? What happens when Trump's gone? What happens if Rodriguez is gone? It is really a crazy deal to have the US like be part of a state run, essentially oil company in Venezuela. I mean, I think the odds of anything real happening there are pretty low. I mean, you know, this is, as you say, it's like Trump's negotiating something that the next US government's not going to feel that it should go ahead with. And the interim government to Venezuela is negotiating something that's not democratically legitimate or any, you know, approved by some assembly there, anything real. So, but it's undercutting US companies.

11:31I don't do you think it's mostly it's a PR stunt. I mean, I'd have some effect and I guess reassuring markets that this plenty of oil. So they shouldn't none of that oil and sell they can come to the market for years. I mean, so it won't affect current prices. Maybe reassures people that we're not drawing down the oil reserves quite as much as we are or they'll be filled up again in two or three or four years with this oil from Venezuela. But it's a PR stunt. It's to make it look like everything's working out. You remember, remember that Venezuela one? That one went better than Iran and now look, we've got a good deal on oil. And a socialist PR stunt, I guess. Yeah, I, in part of it is he's saying this is going to help refill up the reserves that we've been draining. And I think that there is maybe like some kind of market bullying like they were doing at the beginning of the Iran War, like a feeling like, oh, you know, there's going to be increased supply into the market. And you know, that puts downward pressure on the prices. But I mean, like there's so many ways to criticize the insanity. I mean, it's in peer like we're doing imperialism again. You know, like it's the 1800s.

12:32And it's also like we're getting in business with a corrupt illegitimate really. Venezuela and socialist government. And like a corrupt favored businessman of the socialist government that did a legit crimes, you know, in Europe. It is just a completely unacceptable way for us to do business. And I don't know. And I think the Trump, I guess, bets that it's like too complicated for people to get. And that the right wing that would be, you know, up in arms. If it was Barack Obama getting into business with a socialist government, you know, just betting correctly that they're not going to push back on it. I guess I also don't know how much people believe it. I do feel like don't you think I remember curious what you think. The Iran War, I feel like it's gotten, it's been so bad. Yeah. So there's so many lies and it's gone so badly. And the real world affects it. So obviously bad. We're actually from gas prices at home to the geostrategic complications in the Middle East to the broad. I think Trump's effort, desperate efforts to kind of save it or in this case,

13:34you know, distract to Venezuela. You see that one's working out well. I don't know. I feel like it's not going to work actually. Do you think politically? I mean, here at home, I mean, I don't know that it will actually work politically. No, I do think that it is like setting a dangerous precedent for us to be going back to this type of form. That's right. I am for the future, assuming that there's a, so there's a future rubio or advanced administration. Like this is like now an acceptable part of the toolkit. I think that's concerning. And you know, I think that for Trump, in kind of more of an amorphous way, you know, if he ever is able to get back on a positive foot politically to be able to like kind of position himself as like a deal maker, like look what I did in Venezuela. Like I got us all the oil. Like I told you these other guys were stupid. They took us to a war in Iraq and they never got the oil and I did it. I think it probably doesn't work, but I think it's still pretty appalling and ground that's worth fighting over, of course.

14:36Oh, very much so. I think it's really damaging. I mean, has someone who's spent my college and grad school years, you know, arguing against all these Marxists or kind of quasi-Marxist historians who were great critics of American imperialism was all based on economic interests. And there were cases obviously in the 20s and 30s where that was very much the case. And some of it's still in the 50s and 60s, United Fruit and all that. We discussed that a few weeks ago. But it's all about repatience, you know, corporations and governments and crotic capitalism and and crooks basically getting rich off imperialism. Now, whatever one thinks of US foreign policy since then, I think we're pretty innocent of that. I mean, you know, obviously Iraq's mistake and terrible cost and all that, but it wasn't for the sake of say, as you say, taking their oil, go at the contrary. We were so proud when they voted, you know, in their first democratic election there with the purple fingers, remember that and all that in 2004 and 2005. And what's happened is that only at all the democracy was supposed to be bringing to Venezuela. I haven't noticed an election being teed up there. I don't think we are. And Marco, I don't think cares about that.

15:37Yeah. Getting the American public to support doing things abroad, it's obviously costly and not at anyone's immediate interest. You can't really prove that you have to do these things. Getting other nations to support us. Does require having some sense that it's a good faith effort to improve the situation there, as well as improve our strategic situation obviously. And that respect Trump has just given all that moral high ground away. And you could say, well, moral high ground, what's that worth? But it is worth something actually both at home and abroad. I will say that you can confirm whether or not this is in your words, but they're making the Marxist professors that were criticizing it right. They're making them correct. Right. Their critique was correct. And again, there are long-term potential unintended consequences to that. It was something I was thinking about this morning. Like the Venezuelan people, for a while, there was this fake nonsense where we were putting people on gulag because we were so concerned that there were Venezuelan gangs, Tventera Ragua, invading the country. And it's like, okay, but if we're that concerned about that, wouldn't this potentially incite future hard feelings or future desires to

16:45get back at the United States? So if there are these scary gangs in Venezuela, and so now we're going to just basically rape their country, of their resources and take it. I just, they're consequences to that. They're sometimes not necessarily direct and predictable. Fall is right around the corner. Boo. Boo. Not here, actually. Not in New Orleans. It's forever summer. Endless summer. At least for now. But for the rest of you that got to deal with fall, there are things to like about fall, sweaters, pumpkins, whatever it is you people like about fall, that's for you. But here's one thing you gotta always worry about. Kids are back in school. It's getting a little chillier. Your immune system's going to break down. You get those colds, you get the sniffles, and so you gotta fight it. One way to fight it. Or friends at Groons. I'm not really great with health fads, but Groons fits just right into my day-to-day life. It's a tasty pack of gummy bears every morning to help stave off all the gross germs the fall brings.

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20:52I'm going to do more. Then we'll get to Laura. So as you mentioned, the Pentagon is, well, we'll summer actually credit to Will. Our colleague basically broke the story because there was like this drama. If you'll go listen, if you missed it, me and we'll talk to him about this last week. But this is drama burst out into the public between a high mid-level political appointee in the government and this Twitter person named Data Republican. And they started attacking each other on social media. And through that kerfuffle, it became revealed that Data Republican was this sock puppet anonymous online account that was always posting pro-Trump stuff, was actually on the payroll of the government, of the Department of War, Department of Defense, Hegs of the Spaniard. And then Will and others started to pull some strings to realize it's not just Data Republican. There were a bunch of these. And the Washington Post report over the weekend kind of expanded on Will's report and has this. The Pentagon secretly installed several conservative military veterans

21:54with large online followings in government roles. Didn't disclose their assignments as a amplified Hegs has viewpoints and attacked those who scrutinized the Trump administration. By the way, among the people that they had the attacking was Army Secretary Dan Driscoll, because of the internal fighting within the administration. A few of these Pentagon employees that were posing as independent whenever journalists, content creators include Rob Bannis, a retired colonel, and Kurt Schlickter, a longtime bullwirt critic who's also Hugh Hewitt's substitute host on Salem Radio. So Bill, I, and this is pretty crazy, like the Department of Defense using our taxpayer dollars to have secret propagandists that are meant to propagandize us, not like the Iranian people. Doesn't this remind us of other places, other nations around the world, and other regimes at other times, using the civilians, using the military as a propagandized in their own people? I mean, it's terrible, really. And that's something we've been pretty good.

22:55Again, it justifies all the critics, the past critics of America, you know, there's been instances of this a little bit, of course, in the past. And this shows how corrupt our whole system is. The achievement of building up a reasonably apolitical and un-propagandistic military, mostly over the last few decades is really an achievement, right? It's an important part of what it means to live in a free country and a liberal democracy. And again, this is just being tossed away. Also, these guys, I mean, I don't think that the credit slickers of the world had any integrity before. But like, shouldn't Salem Radio have to say something about this? I mean, Hugh, its guest host was on the payroll of the government and not reviewing it, not telling anyone. And it's one thing to just be propagandizing for Trump just because you like it, or because you want attention. That's not great. But to be doing it and be financially benefiting from it with our money. My taxpayer, I was just going to pay for Kurt Schlichter's erectile dysfunction pills. I don't like that. And I would think that Salem would have to say something about

23:55it in town hall. It was kind of a horrifying image. You just put it in my mind. It was kind of a horrifying image. You just put it in my mind. Kurt Schlichter for people to understand the background has been long posted about people at the Bullworks. Sorry, Bill Kosher's Dicks. He is very big about attacking us as cucks and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, wimpy and like the man of the real man, which to me is, means you're overcompensating for something. And like, now he's been taking secret taxpayer money. Now it is, it is terrible. And again, if we had a Congress, it could look into this, I suppose. And maybe they will, if they, if one of both houses changed control in November, they could look into it. You know, there are this continued resolution is coming up and when the Senate gets back, and since we can have two weeks, I guess they have to resolve the House and Senate version. So someone's going to have to vote for something to continue funding the federal government. Yeah. Why are we funding this? I mean, shouldn't the Democrats say this is a tiny little thing. It's only a few million dollars, but you know what? No funding for any of this. And also,

24:56no funding deals to say for all the horrible things. ISIS doing it. No funding for a bunch of other things I would say, but, but I mean, I feel like people are sort of passively saying, well, I Trump won the elections. I guess we have to accept this, really? Thank you, Bill. Let's talk about that. We'll get to Congress. We'll just one more to our friend, Hugh Hewitt. I was waiting to hear about your statement, your position on your guesthouse, being a secret propaganda still the government because I mean, I guess Hugh, it's been a propaganda for Trump for 10 years now, but I would think that this would, this would cross some journalistic threshold over there at Salem, though, I'm not, I'm not holding my breath. All right. You know, I have a bad habit. You probably have it too. We know we should stop doing it. It's scrolling on our phones while we're laying in bed. And here's what's actually happening when you're doing that, the stress, the screen time, the just one more headline spiral, it all raises your core body temperature and a body that's too warm can't get into deep sleep. You're not just tired because the news is exhausting. You're tired because your body never actually recovered.

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30:05personal finance app that helps find and cancel unwanted subscriptions. Bonditors, you're spending and helps lower your bills. So you can grow your savings. Let Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster. Join at RocketMoney.com slash the bulwark. That's RocketMoney.com slash the bulwark. RocketMoney.com slash the bulwark. Your point on the house. Congress has been on vacation for five weeks, the house. Great summer. I mean, you know, everybody needs a vacation. I took a vacation two weeks this year. I thought it was pretty generous for myself. You took a one week vacation. But, you know, we're working the private sector. Okay. Congress has been off for five weeks. Again, they're taking our money as well, not just Kirk Schlichter. And they're coming back to pass this budget that you mentioned. There is continuing resolution to avoid a government shutdown. And then their plan is to go back on vacation. I just don't know why the Democrats would not just absolutely do everything possible to, you know, put sticks in the gears of this plan.

31:06Like these guys should not just be allowed to come here, like basically on the cover of darkness, pass a budget and then go back and hang out at Bedminster and go golfing again for a couple more weeks. And these are public servants. I don't, maybe if they want to jam it through with all Republican votes and a party line vote, then make them do that, I guess. And maybe that will be what happens. I like, we'll have to see. But in the Democrats, I'll be, you know, using every procedure possible on the House floor to raise the issues you just laid up. I know, right? I mean, the fact that we're secretly funding mega-propagandists with our taxpayer dollars, the ice killings, what about the ballroom, what about the ark, what about the stupid war in Iran? I mean, no funding for any of this. I'm sorry. And, and, and like using the ability they have in the two days or whatever it is that they're in DC, you would think that they should be going maximum pressure applied. Totally. They should scream bloody murder and they should oppose a German resolutions and all the different things they can do. They's more than you can do in the Senate

32:07in the House. I guess the idea is the House will pass the Senate. CR this week and get out of town, and that's the greatest way for them to do it. But yes, they should fight bloody. I was on a call just the other day and it was, you know, I have to November, we really have to stop some of this you know, you could try to stop some of it now. You may not succeed, but make put them on the spot. Let all these Republicans vote for this for for propagandizing from the defense department. We've been complaining about this for a couple weeks now. Have you heard any compelling pushback to this? Like to our point of view? I think the only argument, the political argument is they're doing, they're doing well in the midterm elections, risking a government shutdown, for those, you know, unpredictable, some spanner into the works and let's just let good enough be well enough, be well enough, however you say that. And not not mess around too much and let people go home and campaign and we're doing okay in these campaigns. A little bit of prevent defense, I would say two months ago. Yeah, I'm not compelled by that. I'm not compelled by that. Let's talk about the state of play and assess that. There's a poll that you flagged from a USAM Hurst, just over

33:12one fifth, 21% of Trump voters now express second thoughts about their vote, one in six, 16%. Now say they would change their 2024 vote if given the opportunity. I'm always kind of a little bit skeptical of these kinds of polls and like they're a little bit self-selecting, but even if it's half that, right? That's still a pretty meaningful number and it's meaningful in particular. And this is why I'm not keen on prevent defense because the places that they need to win are places Trump won by 11, 12, 13%. Like that's the difference between having a good year and having a 1994 year, which we get to next week, right? As I can you win in these places that are that Trump won by 12, 13% both in the House and most importantly though in the Senate, Iowa, Ohio, Alaska, Texas, Kansas, whatever, Florida, Mississippi, whatever. Can you win in enough of those places to make it a real wave? And you know that U.S. Amherst, Paul basically says

34:12that's in play, but it's not there. Yeah, totally. I the exact same reaction to it when I saw last night, you know, it was bargur for this morning when I went out. So yeah, I'm that 16% may be high, but let's just do a little very elementary math. I mean, the states we're talking about is the Trump plus 11 plus 12 states that Democrats need to win to win the Senate. Iowa, Alaska, Ohio, Texas, and then Kansas, which actually Trump's margin of Kansas was a little was the same as Iowa. I don't know why people don't put Kansas more in the first year, but anyway, and Florida, if that matter point worse, those are states with Trump got I'm thinking of a specific case right around 55%, 55 or 56, right? In those states. So let's do the math. Let's set not say 16% of the Trump voters are wouldn't vote from this time. Let's say it's 10% as you're saying. 10% of 55 is 5.5. So that takes you down to 49 50% for Trump now. Now it's a little complicated. Not all of them will then vote for the Democrats, some of them which just stay home. So the Democrat doesn't go up to 50 quite if Trump comes down, but it's in play. If Trump is approval or Trump,

35:15let's call it the Trump vote today, if there were a vote today, which is what they're trying to capture that you mess well. The Trump vote today is at 48 49. The Republican senators or Senate candidates in those states, whether it's Texas or Kansas or Iowa, etc., are risk. And that's why that poll is, and look, and instead of this poll simply confirms, in a sense, other polling too, it's not like it's going to be outlier that there's plenty of state-level polling that shows these races competitive. There's national polling that shows the generic Democratic edge around 7-8, maybe a little more if you get to the really likely voters. So it's consistent with these states being in play. And I agree, that's why you shouldn't play prevent defense. So that's why and it is encouraging though. I mean, that's, I don't know, yes. I'm a little dubious with these retrospective quotes. Would you vote today for this and that? It's a little too easy to say in the Senate vote isn't quite the same as the Trump vote, but the Trump car, you know, while on ground saying it says this over and over, Susan Collins is the only senator in the Trump era. Only Republican was one of the Senate race in a state where Trump was below 50% approval. And so if you're knocking down Trump remains the most important thing, which again,

36:18is a reason why the Democrats in Washington, they tell themselves this stupid story. We've got to get back to our district and campaign and back to our state. We're such persuasive people that we show up an extra three days and that state is going to make a difference. The thing that's looking to make the biggest difference is getting Trump's numbers down. And the way one way to do that is to expose what Trump is doing and all of his failed policies. Yeah, you really got my danger up now because I also, there is a reversion to the mean sometimes too at the end of these, right? I can go either way, right? I guess this is what I'm saying. Like sometimes there's reversion, I mean, there's there's data out there that says that, you know, Democrats for whatever reason have pulled better in the summer recently. Like we could give all kinds of theories on why that would be. But like if you're specifically talking about these red states and like these voters, if it's if you're at that number, where Trump's at 49, right? Like every vote matters. And a lot of those voters, if they're not being pounded with negative Trump information between now and November, the easy thing is to say, well, this stay, I don't know, the Democrats are pretty crazy.

37:22Like I'm just going to, you know, the left is a little too crazy for me. I'm just going to, you know, stick with my guns this one more time or or I'm not going to vote, right? Like that is the easier thing for those people to do. So you really have to keep paddle to the metal on this stuff. And I think particularly around the war, you know, I just kind of not letting it get into the vote where it's just like atmospheric noise and nobody's talking about it anymore. It feels like nothing has changed. It's like, no, people's lives are still being negatively impacted. Like the troops are still being, that are stuck there, still being negatively impacted, right? The gas price is a fertilizer price. So I like they got to keep driving this message. I agree. You should go to your district and do stuff, but like they've had plenty of time. Their districts fighting it out in the national narrative and continuing to put Trump on his back foot. And tariffs, throw tariffs on top of that. I totally agree. I think you could obviously end your pay to advertising. I didn't what they say back in their states, the Democratic candidates, tailored to the states. So tariffs is a bigger issue in some of these big western states where

38:23the farm economy has been covered by them very much for focusing on that. The deportations, the ice stuff in Ohio, I think is a very good issue to beat up a hasdad on who's been timid and hasn't really said much more way the other. It described what's got the good test stuff that's happening in swing field. Florida, the beginning to deport Fed as well as I talked to a friend from Florida over the weekend, who had been unhappy is where we are on these issues. Unhappy that his fellow Floridians were not very alarmed by the by the immigration stuff. They didn't feel it was happening. There was that much happening there when all the news year was in Minneapolis and then before that in other places, California, elsewhere. But he said it's now hitting home. To get their numbers, to get Stephen Village 2000 today, you got to go after Fed as well as in Florida. That's a big TPS, formerly TPS, formerly protected category, who've been now made illegal. And you know, people have already not think it's a bad thing to have these Fed as well and working and living there and paying taxes and being law-abiding citizens and starting businesses stuff. So you can localize the races to the degree that is appropriate in terms of issues.

39:27But yeah, you got to keep the national pressure on. I really agree with you on that. Fall is right around the corner. Boo. Boo. Not here. Actually, not in New Orleans. It's forever summer, endless summer, at least for now. But for the rest of you that got to deal with fall, there are things to like about fall, sweaters, pumpkins, whatever it is you people like about fall. That's for you. But here's one thing I don't always worry about. Kids are back in school. It's got a little chillier. Your immune system's going to break down. You get those colds, you get the sniffles, and so you got to fight it. One way to fight it are friends at Groons. I'm not really great with health fads, but Groons fits just right into my day-to-day life. It's a tasty pack of gummy bears every morning to help stave off all the gross germs the fall brings. Groons is a convenient comprehensive formula and one delicious daily pack of gummy bears. It isn't a multivitamin, a greens gummy, or a prebiotic. It's all those things and then some

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42:32it was a cause for a little reflection about how much cooking I should be doing and whether I fallen down on the job a little bit of cooking around the house but the end that reflection is good at least you're feeling good at the end. You don't feel bad about yourself. You feel like hey I saved some money. I learned a little bit about where I'm wasting money and now I can move forward. This fall is a better me. Thanks for Rocket Money. Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps find and cancel unwanted subscriptions. Bondidrs, you're spending and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings. Let Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster. Join at RocketMoney.com slash the bulwark. That's RocketMoney.com slash the bulwark. RocketMoney.com slash the bulwark. We have some breaking news since we've been taping. Trump has given them another issue that they can campaign on if they so choose. This is a bleat from Trump this morning. The only reason the community throughout the USA should not want data centers is if they want to end up being backwards and poor. If they want to be successful and rich with far lower taxes and jobs all over the place,

43:33let the data rain. Wow. Okay. I've got some mixed views on the whole data center issue. It's more of a case by case issue for me. That said, sometimes there's moments for good demagoguery. This might be one of those with Democrats. I just as a strategic matter, I've seen a lot of kind of wishy-washy kind of comments on this from Democrats. The numbers could not be clearer. Trump is giving them a gift. It's just another issue where I think that I just if you just look at the numbers, there could not be a better opportunity for the Democrats right now if they took the mantle. Yeah. Well, you just read from Trump, of course, gives the Democrats the middle ground. As Trump is just for you can't oppose any data sent anywhere, apparently, but you're standing in the way. Let the data rain. So let the data rain. That should become a famous mission accomplished type phrase. The Democrats can say, look, we're for practical progress and we're for appropriate blah, blah, blah, but we have to be regulated in local communities and they can't take it away a middle ground, which probably is the sensible

44:37place to be in terms of policy. I'm okay with them doing pitchforks. They can also do a little pitchforks. That's a, you know, a third pitchforks to third middle ground, but Trump's given them a huge opening right by this extreme position, which is selling now like beyond the position of governor Abbott in Texas. It's beyond the beyond the position of Republicans elsewhere running for office. It's beyond the position, at least the professed the stated position of the AI companies themselves, which are all like we want to work with people and blah, blah, blah, you know, they know that that's a kind of suicidal everything. We can build whatever we want in secrecy at any scale. We want, you know, with no limitations at anything at all. People are not for that and they shouldn't be. Sherid, I've do all of these guys like really should be out front on this though and going after them. And to me, another angle to this that I think is politically useful is this is just another example of Trump selling out to the big tech oligarchs that people don't like. And so like regardless, if you don't want to get into the nitty gritty of the details of every data

45:39center and which ones are good, which ones are bad, and which ones are terrible for the community, and what rules we need. Like, you can just go straight at it. Like Trump from his first, you know, Trump got elected saying that he was going to care about the forgotten man and he's betrayed you, and he got in there and his inauguration, the richest people in the world sat in the first row and he brought the richest man in the world in the White House. And now he's doing the bidding of the richest people in the world that want to get even richer by building these data centers. He doesn't care at all about what's happening in your communities and health concerns or environmental concerns or anything. He just wants these, you know, tech billionaires to like him. I think that's a pretty compelling message. And he's in their pocket, right? Which makes him weaker. You know, he's not, you know, he's kind of, he's their tool, you know, they, they, they, Elon Musk says, jump and Trump says, how high, you know, well, Trump is pretty, he can't, he can't get that high, but you know, hypothetically, hypothetically, I'd like to see Trump try to get off the ground with a little hop. Okay. Back to Lord Lumer. Now that my dander's up. I don't want to

46:42talk about the Michigan center. Of course, it's going to use the Lord Lumer as a foil example for all the conversation about around that, because Lord Lumer is herself a pretty unsuccessful podcast or really, and she's a very successful influence operator. She does create content, but she's not at the top of the ranking. She's not a Megan Kelly venture peer. Oh, she's not one of these guys or women, but she uses her social media feeds to pressure the administration and to advise the administration. And she does so very effectively. And she's basically successfully pushed out Mike Waltz, a national security advisor and a bunch of other people, Julia, really, really had on the show, got fired basically because when Lord Lumer campaign, you know, broken clock white twice a day, she did get my, you know, post-aported. It seems like, but that shows her influence. So like, this is a very influential person that has the White House of the year that is pushing Republicans to hold the Senate. Here's some tweets for her just this weekend. This is about Angie Nixon, the Democratic candidate for Senate in Florida. I called you a ghetto bitch

47:46because you are Angie and your record proves it, but you speak ebonics, though. So maybe I need to bark at you and tug your leash. And then you'll finally understand. She wrote about Randy Fein's speech. Randy Fein is the racist congressman from Florida. She wrote this tonight at the RJC, Randy Fein is calling out mainstream Islam. Lots of cheers. Time for the GOP to read the room. Speak up about the Islamic takeover of America or lose the midterms. Islam has no place in America. I would love to have cameras pointed at every mosque and preferably inside as well. Here's another one. When is Medi Hassan going to be denaturalized, Secretary Rubio? How can this Islamic invader be allowed to stay in our country? He should be deported immediately. So this is a very influential person and I don't understand why every Republican running for office doesn't have to answer for this type of racism. And this was in Florida. She ran it. Actually, she used herself in a successful fund that was taken congressional candidate for Florida.

48:48Yeah, she shouldn't. Let's put the Florida incumbent senator who is actually Medi. Yeah, who inherited the seat. I mean, it's run for it up on the ballot for the first time. Against Angie and Dixon, who I would not have voted for in the primary or voted for Vindman, but I think she could be a better candidate than people think. I think it's a very tough race, but I think it's actually actually better for the other Florida Democrats. And then Vindman would have been just looking at it purely and she could lift boats, I think, by creating some turnout. I think she's used them very skilled in her interviews. I agree with you. Anyway, Mudi, the senator seems like just trying to be sort of respectable and kind of lowkey, kind of a Katie Brit type, I guess. I'm better than those Trump people, of course, I'm off the toilet on board. Put around the spot. Do she agree with this? I mean, to she agree with Laura Lumer and representative fine there. And I agree. So this is where, again, going on the offensive and not simply playing prevent defense important. Well, look, we've talked about this a bunch. I know you care about this. I care about rising

49:51anti-Semitism in the country. It's real. It's a problem. It should be called out. As bad as it's gotten, it's like hard to imagine a Congress person calling out mainstream Jews. Speak out, speak up about the Jewish takeover of America and lose the midterms. Democratic Congressperson could not survive that. And that's what a Republican Congressperson is saying. And Jews have no place in America. That is not the type of thing that you're hearing from even the concerning discourse on the far left. And like she's saying this, there's not as no place in America. Mudi should be deported. She's saying this with impunity right now. And it's fucking outrageous, not to mention just the disgusting anti-black racism against Angie, talking about a bark. It's really disgusting. And some of my friends, Jewish friends, my fellow Jews, kind of a little tolerant of the Islam stuff. But it's ultimately, of course,

50:53feeds intent. I said, once you legitimate it in one place, it's such a cliche to almost say, first they come for you. But it really is true. Once you legitimate this kind of racism or attack on people for their religious beliefs or just their religious origins, I guess you don't want to say where they're from, legitimates it elsewhere. Then you can't say, the other side shouldn't do it. Then your own side starts to do it incidentally at the same time. And your heart is in a place. Yeah. I mean, maybe people should notice that the rise of antisemitism is real. And what does it come inside with? The rise of Donald Trump. It's Trump responsible for all of it. No, it's Trump himself, particularly that way, not so much on the Jews, because for various reasons. But once you have a climate of hatred, it spills over in all kinds of ways. And that's what I do think has happened. Yeah. I'd be interested in microadjustic on all these tweets. I wish somebody would ask him about it. While we're doing the internal, damn primary stuff and the various factions, I did want to mention the Massachusetts Senate primary. I think are we finally done with these? Do we still have New Hampshire?

51:56We still have New Hampshire like Delaware. The New England, New England for some reason is really into September primaries. I think that you have just the only real one left. I think after this is a democratic. It's been a slog this year. I'm not, I'm not really looking forward to the next round. But okay, we'll see. I just want to mention the seventh molten Ed Markey race. Well, I have some thoughts on it, but why don't I give you the floor first? So I'm biased with some friend of Seth and of Donald moment long time. First met him in Iraq, where he was as a lieutenant, one of Patreas's kind of special aides. And when I went over of seven to, you know, they put a few of us over there to see what the progress they were making on the surge. Seth was the dinner we had with Patreas. He was then he then pinned our son when he went into the ring court in 2009. So anyway, go away back with Seth. So I'm totally biased, give it a little money to his campaign. He's behind in the polls. Ed Markey's 80 years old. Ed Markey has been in Congress first the house. And then for the bulk of that time in the Senate for 50 years. Ed Markey was elected to Congress before Seth Bolton was born. Now, if you think it's great to have it and he's been an undistinguished, I think we say if we say a member of Congress for

53:0050 years is how like there's like Ed Markey, a giant of Capitol Hill. So there we are. And I don't know. Did evercats want to be in the business of re nominating undistinguished 80 year old members of the senators? Or do they want to have someone in his mid late 40s who's been, he's not a great politician. That's why he may not beat Markey honestly, because he's actually an honest and thoughtful guy. He's not very good at the soundbite. So occasionally he says things and doesn't think through the maybe he shouldn't say this on that issue. But he's an impressive person. It'd be very good for the Democratic Party to have in the Senate. I think it'd be good even in the campaign in the sense that Massachusetts is going to be Democratic either way, but it would help with the general sense that the Democrats are the party of the future. And it's Teluriko and it's Molton and it's Zurich and Iowa and you know. And it's South side. Yeah, and fine. Let's have some diversity. One or two, I could I wish maybe hadn't been nominated, but whatever they are and they're and they're it puts the Biden thing even more behind them actually, which I think is kind of important politically. But mostly I think it would be a very good senator and he's behind in the polls. So you know, like these primary polls are difficult.

54:04Obviously Steven's behind by whatever 1315 came within one or two. So I don't rule out Molton winning his campaign as all kinds of reasons you'll be abused by this is a former campaign person. They're friends of mine. So I'm criticizing them but they're you know our door knocking is going very well and we're hearing really good. The ground game is really excellent. And I don't know. I've been to many campaigns where the polls were bad. The ground game was good and the polls are right, but it could matter. You know, I've recently loathe her in out September 1st primary. If the Molton voters are more energized, that makes it different. So I don't think it's out of the question that Molton pulls an upset for our night. And I think it'd be good for the Democratic party if you did. And the polls been back in both directions. Like for example, that John Larson who's an older house rep was running against kind of a mold-nish, Harvard mayor, younger guy. And the polls have that as a clean class. And the younger mayor looked brown and ended up killing him about like 20 points or something. And then you obviously on the other side you've seen differences in the Michigan race. So I will see how the

55:05polls turn out. My point about this, I don't I've been a fan of not knowing either. I've talked to Seth a couple of times, but I don't really, you know, have a personal bias in the race. I don't have anything particularly against Ed Markey. But like he's 80 years old. And he's going to be 86 at the end of his term. People might go, it's Massachusetts safe, whatever. It's like Scott Brown, one of Massachusetts special election that cost the Democrats, like the public option and Obama care. I mean, literally, I got if you care about that, like the fact that like they had to have a special election and then Scott Brown, one of that surprising special election and that meant that Joe Lieberman or, you know, was the was a swing vote then in the Senate. It took the public option out of Obamacare. That results by itself. In this day and age, it could be something way worse than that, right? Like a Republican could win a Massachusetts government Republican has been messaged his governor like two minutes ago, Charlie Baker. And so, you know, you have a 85 year old guy in there and whatever it is, 20, 2030, like in that midterm, you know, anything can

56:14happen. And it's kind of like, what, who is he really the cent? You know what I mean? Like his staff isn't really is driving this. And I don't want to vote for Ed Markey's staff. I don't know what his chief of staff is going to be in five years. So anyway, I just think it's a practical matter. Like the Democrats turning the page, I'm less reticent than you. And the else I think, which is fine. Like I think to your point is like having Tarek and Abdul Al and Milton and Papas and New Hampshire and Toulariko and Angie. Like that is a younger crop that is diverse both demographically but also ideologically, I think it's better for the party and I'd be for South tomorrow. So that's my take on that. Fall is right around the corner. Boo. Boo. Not here. Actually, not in New Orleans. It's forever summer, endless summer. At least for now. But for the rest of you that got a deal with fall, there are things like about falls, sweaters, pumpkins, whatever it is you people like about fall.

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1:01:24over. I saw many people. It was a wonderful show. You and people should go back and look at you and Sam is very amusing. But actually interesting in terms of your analysis for these different cabinet secretaries. And you're both slightly joking around. So I think Sam is just Sean Doffy. It's been such a jackass in the last couple of weeks. I like that. I'm like, pick with what might have been. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't that they're literally as dangerous as these people running these massive important national security agencies. But I saw I take that point. So I was being a little bit of a cheap shot for me to just kind of waft it and say, you know, let me be serious. But now, so mine was Heg Seth worst. So I think there were pretty much your agreement. Right Sam? That Heg Seth worst and you had Heg Seth second worst, but you wanted to make the point, which I think is a good point to make about moving back to Mark. So do the rest. Okay. I want to invite our young Mullin Mullin second biggest of the atrocities of DHS. And I just talked to Jim Swift yesterday about what he'd seen in Springfield. Blanche third obviously, DOJ terrible. What's happening there? RFK Jr again doesn't need much explanation. And who did I have as this movie? I had Fubio as a fifth as a concession to your point that he's gotten a bit of a

1:02:25free ride. So do your do your work with him? I take your point on Mullin. I really should have had him fourth and not let Nick, but you know, sometimes the content requires some some embellishments. The mailbag, if you guys missed the same signup, so Leslie, I know a lot of people are on vacation, you're skipping certain episodes, but like the mailbag of the end is really funny. And it's worth hearing about Sam's morning routine and some of the marital issues I'm out of creative for him. But on the man of Rubio, I received this text this morning from our friend Stan Boiger. Bill, this is we both received this text actually. It's obviously right. Rubio is the worst member of the cabinet. And he didn't even touch on his central role in immigration policy. And thank you, Stan. I wanted to have this opportunity to revise and extend my remarks because I'm ranting about how terrible Rubio has been as the diplomat as the head of secretary of state. How terrible he's been as national security advisor. I didn't like to mention that he was the one that orchestrated Sakat. It was him and he went down to El Salvador. And obviously this is Trump days are all

1:03:29terms policies. But like Marco was the point man with Buckele on that deal. Marco was the point man on these deportations of people for wrong thoughts. Whether that be Oz Turk, you know the op-ed that she had run. Remesa Oz Turk. So I see it been the one that was saying that like we should be taking away green cards for people if they express their free speech rights in a way that was not fully supportive of Donald Trump and BB Netanyahu, which is a total affront to the American experiment. It is not a gimmick that I have. Marco is the worst. I genuinely believe that Marco has been the worst. And I do think that like the fact that he gets the presumption of good faith or whatever, unlike some of these other guys does exacerbate my feelings about it a little bit. I will admit. No fair enough. That's a good point. This is why the Bo-Work is such a wonderful institution. We have a wide diversity of views. So are you going to move them up the list or are you keeping them at the list? I can move them up a little just I hate to drop into the others down. They're also horrible. Like RFK Jr. I mean stuff I sort of personally follow the last but then I read Jonathan Cohn and

1:04:33I think oh my god he's doing unbelievable damage to actually important things about the health of Americans and Blanche of justice. So it's just hard to mullen DHS. It's tough. It's a real competition. It's hard for me to not include Brooke Rollins, a Secretary of Agriculture. We have another item there. The defunding of the Cyclospora Research Projects is hindering progress right now. On the effort to prevent people to country from having explosive diarrhea. So like it's bad all around. So there is, you know, it's a judgment call on how to rank. But I just, I want people to understand the Nutlic Pick was a bit. The Marco Rubio is the worst counter member. I am 100% genuine about 1000% and if anything I understand in the case. And some of our ex-friends I'm not that I'm in touch with that many of them anymore but you and your ex-friends, not that you're in touch with that many of them anymore. They're all there you know, we'll look Rubio. We can be for him in 2028. That's really a scuttle. Everything can move on. It's a happy middle ground between a accommodating Trump and being sane.

1:05:38And he's been, I mean, in that respect, he's more horrifying. He's a combination and hypocrisy and everything is more, as a personal matter I would say is in a funny, in a way more appalling than Hegg Seth who just is what he is, right? I mean, yeah. I agree. Hashtag never Rubio. That's where I'm at on this. We'll see how all that shakes out. Bill Crystal. We'll see you next week for a fun retrospective on 1994. I've already, I've started my research a little bit and I found, I found some fun nuggets about Bill Crystal in 1994. Oh my gosh. And I did should have just. Tim suckers me in by saying, well, I'm a good talk. I'll talk about how sex you'll talk about 94. We'll really talk about what a wave of elections like will help people understand it. And so I'm going to be, you said this embarrassing thing on September 13th, 1994. I'm looking forward to it. We're going to do all of that and a couple of teasers. Okay. Everybody, thank you so much. We'll be back tomorrow with with an old friend of mine. I'm excited to get on the podcast and so we'll see all that.

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