BOBBYCAST EP #666 - Devil in the Music: Rock’s Darkest Myths, Wildest Conspiracies & the 27 Club

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2:07Hey everybody, welcome to episode 666 of the Bobby Cast. And we really didn't have a guest in mind. And we also felt like it would be disingenuous for us to do an interview and then post the 666 up in the corner like we do every episode. So we are not having a guest on this. Instead, we are doing something a bit special and you're going to hear me talk about it. It's basically the history of the devil and the devil in music. Where are we talking about everything from backward masking to people claiming they met the devil, etc. You're going to hear me explain all of that, but we didn't want to put anyone on this. So here you go, episode 66, enjoy. Welcome to this episode, the devil and the music, stories, rumors and falsehoods. So why does the devil keep showing up in music? So the file number for this, if you're listening to the audio version is 666. So instead of avoiding it, we're going to go right to it and obviously no artist would have wanted to do it.

3:12Would have wanted to be episode 66. So I thought we'd take this time to talk about the devil in music. For hundreds of years, there's been this weird connection between great musicians and the devil. That's what I'm supposed to be. If you guys are listening and you're not watching, I'm rocking a devil outfit right now. I got on a little red bow tie, I got on a cape, I got on that thing that goes over your head, the pulls your hair back except with devolures. I kind of look like a problem child from back in the late 80s, early 90s, but it's supposed to be the devil. So let's talk about it in music. And I'm not saying that the people we're going to talk about were Satanists in any way. A lot of times it was just marketing. Heck, most, if not all, weren't. And some of these stories were completely invented, not even by the artist that I'm going to talk about, but by either their record company or just rumors that started to spread about them.

4:12That's what's crazy. We have these connections to some of these artists and the devil and they had nothing to do with it. Actually, some of them couldn't shake it and also they wanted to, but then just realized, I guess we'll just go with this. It's for making money anyway. Some of these were rumors that got repeated so many times that people started treating them as real-life history. But occasionally there was an artist that became fascinated with the occult, which made the rumors explode. So what I find interesting mostly is this is way before even rock and roll, before Aussie, before Led Zeppelin, before the Beatles, before Robert Johnson, before any of the music that we know as having a relationship with the devil, classical musicians were rumored to be getting abilities from the devil. And so when I dove in, I was surprised at what I learned about this. There was almost a formula. Someone becomes unbelievably talented.

5:14People pretty much can't explain how they're doing it. The artist is mysterious or behaves differently. Which a lot of times they only do that because they're an artist. And you know what? Artists are just weirdered. And then something tragic happens. And eventually somebody says they must have made a deal with the devil. So these are the stories behind those stories. And for me when I thought about who I would start with, it was easy. It was Robert Johnson and the Crossroads legend. Now this is probably the most famous of the sold his soul to the devil stories, at least in American music. Robert Johnson to give you a little background was a Mississippi Delta Blues musician born in 1911. The legend basically goes. He wanted to be a great blues guitarist. But early on, supposedly he wasn't very good. And supposedly, and I'm not going to say that over and over again, but just remember there's pretty much a supposedly in most of this.

6:15But other musicians remembered this young guy trying to sit in with him. And he was not impressive. Actually, he was quite annoying. Then Robert Johnson disappeared for a period of time. There was no record of what he went, just that he was gone. And eventually he comes back and suddenly make and he play. And not just slightly better, according to the legend, he transformed into an incredible guitarist. And people couldn't understand how someone could improve so dramatically. So the story developed that Robert Johnson went to a Crossroads. In Mississippi at midnight. And while he was there, he was supposedly met there by a mysterious man. Eventually identified in the folklore as the devil. And according to people that heard the story, Robert Johnson handed him his guitar. And the devil tuned it. Sounds like a guitar tech to me.

7:15But the devil tuned his guitar at the Crossroads. And then gives it back. And in exchange for Robert Johnson's soul, he was given supernatural ability to play the blues. And people believe that. You can look at the song titles of Robert Johnson records like Crossroads Blues, Me and the Devil Blues, Hell Hound on My Tale. And if you're already looking for a Satan story, there's one right there. And Crossroads Blues, Robert Johnson, thinks about being at a Crossroads and falling to his knees. And me and the Devil Blues, he's literally singing about the Devil Walking Poseidon. So after he dies, people start taking the songs as confessions, more than just a guy that was making art or analogies, where the devil could have been, well, really anyone or anything that was trading on poor lives. So here's what was actually true about this.

8:15I feel so stupid saying this. There was no reliable, credible evidence that Robert Johnson hung out with the devil on the railroad track. That's a stupid thing to have to say. People claimed, and what are the Crossroads? They don't even know if he was at a Crossroads. They claimed he met Satan. There were no footprints from Satan. They claimed he sold his soul. Nope. The Smythsonian has specifically described the devil bargain as myth. I got seven clicks deep on this. And this is what I think happened. I think that Robert Johnson just got really good. That time away, he just got really good. He worked really hard to become a great musician. And because he was so good, people started to go, there's no way that the devil would be able to do it. People started to go, there's no way that blues player without much of an education could be that good.

9:17And so that's what I think happened. People who weren't as good as him needed an excuse because he was now better than them. And they were freaking losers. And they created this story because they were losers and now Robert Johnson was better than they were. Now during the period where Robert Johnson supposedly disappeared, he spent time around a guitarist named Isaiah Zimmerman. Zimmerman was a very accomplished player. And Robert Johnson's style started to be a little derivative of him. Now I'm not saying it was only Zimmerman that he knew how to play, but there were definitely some techniques that the two shared. And so another part of it was that they would practice at night. And they would practice in a field that was near a cemetery at times because that was the land where they were able to practice. And there were no satanic rituals. They just wanted to be out there so they didn't bother anybody. But imagine if you're just a loser and this guy shows up, it is not better than you. And you're not the best player in town anymore and you have to have an excuse.

10:17You go, I think he sold a soul to the devil. But imagine here in that story, a guy disappears. Practices guitar and graveyards. Is unbelievably good. Things about the devil dies young. Of course, someone would create a supernatural explanation. So Robert Johnson, the guy that people associate with the devil, actually, and I'll say this, never met the devil. He died in 1938. He was only 27 years old. So even his death isn't completely settled historically. The most famous account there was he was involved with a married woman and was poisoned by a jealous husband, possibly through poisoned whiskey. And even that story gets debated. But now you got mysterious man devil songs crossroads, sudden talent, mysterious death, all gone at age 27. And he later becomes a member of the 27 club, which I'll bring up later. The craziest part, Robert Johnson may have gotten somebody else's devil story attached to him because there's another blues musician.

11:18Let's go back. Tommy Johnson, I think this is the original crossroads story that they just penned on Robert Johnson. Tommy Johnson too. No relation, by the way. Tommy Johnson was older. He was more in the 1890s. He was already an established musician before Robert Johnson became famous. According to Tommy Johnson's brother, Tommy told people the exact story that became attached to Robert. And so Tommy's version was this. If you want to learn play guitar, take a guitar, go to the crossroads, go there around midnight, sit there and learn to play. Eventually a mysterious man comes up and takes your guitar, tunes it, play something, hands it back, and then after that you can play anything you want. That's what he would say in the implication there is by giving your guitar over you gave your soul to the devil. Now this story does have a more direct connection to the crossroads bargain because in his story he was like just literally go to the crossroads. So Tommy Johnson has this story.

12:19Robert Johnson becomes more famous than Tommy Johnson. Robert also records a song called Crossroads Blues, so then it's Robert Johnson's story. So even the movie, oh brother, where out there uses this mythology. So there's a character in that who said he sold a soul to the devil in exchange and that was based on Tommy Johnson's story. But that's not even the first story. Another kept digging. There was a guy, Nicolo Paginini, a hundred years earlier. He was born in Italy in 1782. Think of him as the Eddie Van Halen, Jimmy Hendrix, but of the violin. He was doing things with the violin that people really weren't doing then that people didn't think were possible. His technique was so far beyond he had a style you could hear him. People could not replicate what he was doing. Audiences were even, I don't want to say scared, but it was so new to them what he was doing that they thought there was something possessing him because there was no explanation for it.

13:21So as I mentioned earlier, the explanation was there's got to be something supernatural going on. Also he looked apart. He wasn't dressed like me exactly, but he was extremely thin and pale. He had like sunken cheeks, long dark hair. He had really long fingers. And they would often talk about his fingers and how they were long and they resembled the devil, but he also was able to use them to play violin really well. Like he had perfect violin fingers. The Library of Congress has historical characters of this Paginini guy surrounded by demons and witches because so many people thought of him as a demon, as a sorcerer, as a wizard. He was described by all of this in these ancient, I guess not ancient, but these late 1800s, like journals that people would keep. Eventually the rumor was because he looked like that and he was that good. He couldn't be that good except for the devil giving him the abilities, which is crazy.

14:21He also learned of this and was really one of the first people to I don't want to say embrace it because he didn't create it. But he realized that people were showing up to see the guy that was possessed. So he understood not only playing violin, but he understood theater at performances in Paris. He would darken the stage and then he would come out to just a single light. And back then the light wasn't a big, you know, light coming like a strobe lighter. It was basically candles and he would come out in 1831, no electricity, no giant LED wall, no pyro, no streaming services. Just him talking creepily like a vampire and then just play the crap out of the violin. So people thought something was wrong with them and he played into it. He was not satanically gifted. He was just an extraordinary musician. He developed and taught a technique that change violin performance is even for people today.

15:23He has something called 24 Caprices and I think that's how you say it. But it is still a very demanding and extraordinary piece. But when music ability becomes difficult to comprehend, people go, there must be something extra there. Not hard work, not the foresight to see a new path to make it really cool, the devil. And so that's really I think where the Robert Johnson story goes back to Robert Johnson gets all the credit because he was kind of the most famous. Tommy Johnson is the original with the story and you got the guy here who plays the crap out of the fiddle, Nick aloe, Pagini, who was kind of that guy. Now I'm going to give you one more old school one. This is the knowledge part of the show. So there's a guy named Gisepi Tartini and this one's even better because this guy really created the whole story where the other ones didn't. So he was another Italian violinist but he was born in 1692. So we're going back 300 years here. Now this is his story that he would tell people.

16:26He described having this incredible vivid at times dark at times. He didn't use the word satanic. He would use words like scary and demonic but it would be a dream. And in the dream, he made a pack with the devil and the devil then becomes a servant. And eventually he hands the devil as violin. The devil starts playing. Now this is all in his dream. The music he hears the devil plays astonishing. It was technically more beautiful than anything he's heard before. And so he wakes up boom from the dream. He grabs his violin and he tries to recreate what the devil played for him in his dream. And what he had recreated it was called the devil's trill sonata. He supposedly felt what he actually wrote wasn't even close to what he'd heard in the dream. But imagine that the most famous piece that you write that people still know about 300 years later, 400 years later, is something that you dreamed about with the devil.

17:33Now did he really dream about the devil? I don't know. The guy just could have been playing it up. But he would always say yeah, if you think that was good, he should have heard the devil play it. So Robert Johnson folklore, Pejaneenie, he built off the rumors around him. And then Tartini was a dream that he would tell himself. And so there you have it. It also sounds like the devil went down to Georgia and that guy's dream. Because the devil challenges Johnny to a federal competition. I mean, even that song is kind of this. But in that one, Johnny wins. All right. So there we have it. That's about 14 minutes of the early history of the devil in music. Now I'm going to get to some more contemporary stuff. But I feel like without knowing about the early stuff, this stuff doesn't make as much sense. And also when someone says Robert Johnson sold a soul to the devil at the crossroads, he's like actually, that was Tommy Johnson. Actually, it was an Italian violinist because it all roots back. Also to people not understanding that some people just work hard or have a really great gift.

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21:44So there is a bit of a documented occult connection here. Now that does not mean that Jimmy Page worship Satan. It does mean that Jimmy Page had a serious fascination with the occult. So Jimmy Page became fascinated with Alistair Crowley. Crowley was an English occultist born in the late 1800s. Deliberately provocative. He wrote about magic and mysticism and yeah, of... The figures in the 20th century, so the 1900s and they were famous by the 1900s. He was probably the LeBron of it. And so the British newspapers, we'll talk about him back in the day, say, was wicked. He was very much part of counterculture. And I'm still talking about Alistair Crowley at this point. Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin was super interested. He collected books and artifacts. He studied his writings. He eventually bought this place called Bola Skyne House in Scotland. So Alistair Crowley had owned this Bola Skyne House.

22:45And Crowley had used the property while attempting to do things like channel the devil. So imagine you're a rock fan in the 70s. And Led Zeppelin is enormous, mysterious, I mean, very sexual. And they were making really heavy music. And then you find out they're guitarist, but Alistair Crowley's old house. That all kind of plays into it, right? You would think these guys play this crazy hard music. The lead singer kind of sounds like the devil with his, I mean, the rumors practically write themselves. And the rumor was a packed rumor. One of the legends that developed was the members of Led Zeppelin had entered some sort of package with the occult in exchange for success. Very familiar, if you listened to the Robert Johnson story earlier. There was no solid evidence that happened. I went up hearing that Led Zeppelin had sold their soul to the devil for their fame. And that's where this comes from.

23:45And with that, when you sell your soul to the devil, there's always bad things that happen afterwards. It's not just the devil gets your soul, but things around you, tragic, must happen. Just to remind you that you sold your soul to the devil. So 1975, Robert Plant suffers a devastating car crash. Robert Plant's five year old son died in 1977. John Bond on the drummer died in 1980. Now to somebody that was already convinced that Led Zeppelin had made a bargain, a deal with the devil, these tragedies became, looks like prices come and do. But there's no evidence. It's mythology. And that's how these stories start to grow. Now Jimmy Page is different than Robert Johnson. The difference is Robert Johnson really never claimed of the devil bargain. Jimmy Page was interested in learning about the occult, not even being an occultist himself. With that, there was a little factual seed. And around that, the story of Led Zeppelin selling their soul to the devil.

24:47Also, Stairway to Heaven, one of the greatest songs ever. One of the largest examples of backward masking hysteria. Now, back masking is you can just play a song backward and it would say something if you played it backward. So, the thought was artists could record a song but strategically make whatever you're saying forward. Say really bad things if you played it backward. If you listened to it normally and you were just listening, consciously you wouldn't hear it. But your subconscious supposedly would receive the message of the devil. And in the 70s and the 80s, people were convinced rock bands were doing this. They were putting in sexual messages, satanic messages, drug messages, all end up the record's backward. So, you put on a record player and you just pull it backward and it would say something. If you've ever heard any of this and this is not a real example. But let's say you thought it said the dog won't stop barking and you played it backward and it went, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You would hear it like that and go, yeah, but it said that the dog won't stop barking.

25:49It was never super clear. But Stairway to Heaven became one of the biggest targets. Now, people started playing it backward because they knew of the relationship they had with supposedly the devil. And they were now claiming that this record had phrases praising Satan if you played it backward. Religious groups played these. Churches played these. Radio shows talked about these. It becomes part of a larger satanic panic in the mid-delay 70s. The problem is humans are really good at finding patterns. So once somebody tells us what we're supposed to hear, we go and find it. Even if it's not really there. If I play a garbled sound for you, you'll probably hear nothing. But if I put a sentence on a screen and I say, listen for this, suddenly you're going to be, oh, wait, I think I heard it. So our brains find meaningful patterns and ambiguous sound. And that's really what was happening here. At least until later, because some people did start to do it.

26:51I won't say it's a joke, but they realized that it would get them some attention and some press. But Led Zeppelin denied it. They said we did not put any satanic messages backward in our songs. Robert Plant was irritated because stairway meant something to him. That song was a message from him that meant something completely different. It's something that was satanic. So if I played it backward for you and you didn't know what you were supposed to hear, you wouldn't hear it. If I played it backward and then just gave you three or four things you were supposed to hear, I think you'd hear all of them. You'd hear all of them. You ever hear a green needle? You ever hear of that thing? Or some people hear a green needle? Or a keypind? Or whatever. That's basically what was happening here. So if you're asking me, Led Zeppelin, just a band who liked to rock real hard and Jimmy Page was just really interested in another artist's work. It just happened to be a little weird. Let's go to the Eagles Hotel, California.

27:52Here's another song because it was so ambiguous. It created an enormous conspiracy theory about the devil. Hotel California, amazing song, comes out in 1976. The song is kind of creepy if you're just listening and inserting what you think it means because there is a mysterious hotel. There are voices in the night. There are people who can't escape the hotel because you can never leave. There is strange imagery. There's the beast. And again, that idea where you can check out, but you can never leave. I mean, that right there is perfect conspiracy theory material. So let's go to the satanic theory. A rumor develops that the hotel California actually was connected to Anton Leve and the Church of Satan. So Leve found out there's church in San Francisco in 1966. So this is what the people were claiming back then. Hotel California, that specific hotel was a satanic church. The lyrics according to them describe satanic rituals.

28:54The beast obviously was, you say it, Satan. And even Anton Leve appeared in the album artwork. None of that is actually true. There is no evidence behind that. And so the Eagles have talked about it individually. Don Henley has repeatedly described the song in different ways. His version, which I watched three interviews, it's about the dark side of the American dream, excess, basically. Decadence and how they were going through this, like all of a sudden, here they are now with money and women and drugs. And you think this is what you want, then you get it. And it turns out it's also kind of tragic what you were wanting and how the people are on the good side. And it's not even the good side. It's the bad side. It's a scary side. How the music business is awful. The transition from innocence where you know nothing and you're moving out to L.A. to make music to experience, but that experience was sad or scary or tragic. And so California becomes the symbol.

29:55Like you arrive as they did chasing fame and money and beauty, success and pleasure and those things, maybe aren't as good as you thought they were once you get them or you get them once and you want to chase that high again and never actually make you feel as good as they did the first time. So the line you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave. Man, it's way more interesting if it's Satan's hotel, isn't it? I just make you a day. The actual meaning of the song is dark, though. That's the irony of hotel California. Like it didn't need to be about Satan for it to be dark. It is dark. You don't need Satan. The song is that you finally got everything you thought you wanted. It's not near as good as you thought it was and now you're trapped by it. You can add addiction to a part of that. So hotel California is not about Satan. It is not a satanic hotel. And the guy that started the church of the devil is not in the out one more at work.

30:57Let's go to the Beatles. Paul is dead. And then imagery from the occult. Now this isn't exactly a Satan story, but it may be the greatest example of people turning music into a giant conspiracy theory. Now the theory is, and we can start with 1969 because the rumor explodes in 1969 that Paul McCartney is dead. And there are such good YouTube videos on this. I fully believe the earth is round. But if you watch enough flat earth videos, you'll go, huh? These guys might be on to something. They're not. The same thing with these Paul is dead videos. If you watch enough of them because they're only giving you parts of the story, you'll start to go, huh? Maybe Paul is dead. So according to the theory Paul died in a car crash in 1966. Yes, Paul McCartney. The Beatles, because they were so famous, secretly replaced them with a look like them because they felt guilty or because they wanted fans to know their diehard fans, they hid clues

32:02that Paul was still alive because that's what you would do. You know as well as I do, if you're trying to hide that somebody was dead so you could keep making millions of dollars, there would be no clues or no hints in anything. But they hit clues supposedly in songs and album covers in lyrics, in backward recordings. And there were so many clues. The fans began studying everything. Abby Rode becomes a supposed funeral possession. And if you've seen the picture of them walking John's in white, which would mean he would be the preacher and Ringo's in black. And so he's mourning. George is in denim. You really got to stretch for this one. But he was a grave digger. And Paul's barefoot. He's not wearing shoes. And so since he's barefoot in the picture, he is obviously dead. He's a corpse. Paul is also out of step with the others. He's holding a cigarette in his right hand, even though he's left-handed. I'm just walking through some of these crazy things. There's a Volkswagen Beetle in the background with a license plate that appears to say 28

33:07IF. Now, if you were thinking to yourself 28 IF, I'm going to stall this out for a second. What would you think 28 IF meant? You see a license plate and you had to actually create some sort of conspiracy theory. 28 IF. That would be 28 if he lived. The math itself also has problems. Paul wasn't actually 28 when Abbey Road came out. But that's not how conspiracy theories work. They just work because you can say anything. And some people will believe them. And then they'll spread it. And the next thing you know, a lot more people will believe them. Every coincidence then becomes evidence. And there was a lot of playing records backward as well. And Paul is dead. You would hear that, but I, and again, I've heard it and it sounds very similar to the words Paul has dead.

34:07I just believe if you dug through enough albums, you would probably find something that sounded like Paul is dead with the Beatles. They put out so much music. Avril Lavigne supposedly is dead too. Or if you guys have heard that story. But Avril Lavigne supposedly died and her record label replaced her with this new girl that's been Avril Lavigne for the past. I guess it'd be 20 years or so now. And so I'd heard this. And Avril Lavigne was at Dancing with the Stars for one of the shows that I was doing. She was performing that night. And I had known that Avril Lavigne was supposedly dead and replaced with someone else, just like Paul McCartney. And I yelled out Avril's fake name and she didn't turn. And that's how I knew it was the real Avril Lavigne. So there you go. Look, in the end of all the research that I've done, and trust me, I spent a lot of time doing this so much that I started to believe, hey, maybe there is some devil there. There is no devil. Not at least not giving anybody any sort of skill.

35:11He did have weirdos like Judas Priest, which there was, Judas Priest was weird. And some of the time people were just weird and the weirdness that they were in their real life also translated through their music and people would connect with that. But Judas Priest was sued after two young men shot themselves with allegations that the band's music contained subliminal or backward messages. This case became a massive story into what could program people. Now I do think, and I'm not saying this about Judas Priest, I do think once these stories started to hit, as I mentioned earlier, people started doing it on purpose. They would find weird ways to say words that you could play it backward because they wanted the attention of, oh, they're also backward masking, even though all they were doing was putting it on a record so people would find it and then talk about them. So in the end, that's all I think it is. Random occurrences, trying to understand how somebody was so good at something, so you

36:12said the devil must have given him abilities. And then later on, I do believe that people started just to use it to market themselves. I did mention earlier Robert Johnson in the 27 club. Robert Johnson, Jimmy Hendrix, Janice Chaplin, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain, Amy Winehouse, is 27 somehow cursed. It's 27 the price to pay for extraordinary talent. I mean, statistically there is no supernatural demonstrated 27 phenomenon, but people know of the 27 club. So did these people actually sell their souls now? I don't think so. You can kind of trace a very similar story through all of them, Pejaneini, Tartini, Tommy Johnson, Robert Johnson, the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, even Black Sabbath and Judas Priests and Avril Lavigne, even Avril Lavigne.

37:13So the devil is not in music, but the devil is going to get you if you're not good. So each of vitamins, say your prayers and be thankful. I didn't put an artist on episode 666 of the Bobby cast because if so, probably what it did tragic. That's it. Thank you all. Don't believe everything you see or hear or read on the internet. Goodbye, everybody. Hang tight. The Bobby cast will be right back. Working for professionals in the US, plant more than they harvest, while also caring for water, wildlife, and more. It's how we grow a sustainable future. Learn more at workingforacinitiative.com. This is Adam Devine, Blake Anderson and Donner's home from this is important. You know those moments when you realize you've been adulting too hard, like getting excited

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40:18And we're back on the Bobby cast. Okay, thanks for listening to that. I do want to share a clip from get real with Caroline hobby with Jesse James Decker and Eric Decker. So Caroline hobby has a really great podcast. And I hope you hear this and you go over and subscribe. And so Jesse and Eric talk about their family life. They're shared core values and why work life balance always comes first. So here you go from get real with Caroline hobby. I have encountered now several women like you who just have this enormous bandwidth. You have such a huge bandwidth like let alone four kids. That's enough in itself. One kid, I have one kid and I'm like, my bandwidth is stretched. You've got four. Then you have a huge career.

41:18I mean, you started off in singing and then that led to reality TV. And then led to cookbooks, which by the way, I have to show you this because this is not planned at all. But we use this cookbook all the time. You do. Because first up, we do banana sposter nonstop in puppy chow sunny. And I'm sunny and I make it all the time. It is literally you. It's the best. I crave it mostly during like the holidays. It's, oh my God, I just love it. I'm so glad you like it too. It's it's a dictate. We make it once a week. Sunny's like, can we make puppy chow and we use your cookbook? And then we make it. That makes me so happy. That's why I made those books though. Like it's, you know, it's not, I'm not a chef. I'm a, I'm a home cook. I'm up. I just want recipes and food that people can like make as a family and together and like have their own traditions and stuff. And hearing those stories like make me so happy. Because that's honestly like the whole, that's what makes me feel happy, you know,

42:19hearing the most of. And also like, who is a chef? You know, like most people, most moms are not chefs. I'm not a chef. I can't cook at all. I have to follow a cookbook and I don't want 27 steps in like four hours of making something. I want it to be good. I want it to be a crowd pleaser. I want to be able to cook with sunny, you know? I don't want it to be so complicated. But it still tastes so good. And yeah, I didn't, I didn't want my books to feel intimidating. I didn't want them to feel like this is chefy, fancy food. Because it's just not me. I just, I don't know. I wanted it to be as simple as possible. And if you notice, they're every single recipe is a picture because I want you to know what it looks like. And like, you know, those books where you get in, it's like, hey, that's duck coffee and it's all this stuff. And there's no picture. And I'm saying, I don't know what I'm going to look like, you know? I have another cookbook that I use all the time in about half of the recipes don't have pictures. And I have never even attempted to make those recipes because I don't, I don't want to know. I know you don't know what it looks like. I don't know. That's a big thing for me.

43:19So we're very practical. You know, it's hot as you are and it's talented as you are. You're really practical. I don't think you for that. Hey, you got a kid. No, I got an Eric. Oh, what's up, Eric? I'm talking to Caroline. We're doing a podcast right now. I mean, say hello. Oh, hi, Aaron. What's your doing? How are you? Are you guys live right now? Yes, we're live. Come join. No, just in I just zoom call sometimes to catch up for fun. Yeah. Honestly, that's about an easier way to do it. These days, do you ever get time to hang out with friends like unless you're doing something with them? You're going to go to about that. You're good about hanging out with people. You know what it is though? We always tell everyone to come to the house. I think that makes it easiest. If you try to invite us out to do things more than likely, we're not really going to do them. But my response when people like, do you want to come do this or should we go do this? I'm always like, no, but you can come to the house.

44:20I'll make something. Just come over and it always works out that way. More fun. Anyway, kids can run wild, you know, and you'll have like a pool and all the things. That's why you got to build your backyard. Like I feel like you've done a great job building a great backyard. Just like that was that was important to him. He wants he wants to have a situation where no one ever leaves and no one wants to go anywhere and that when the kids continue to get older, we're the house that they want to come to because you know, you want to have eyes on all your chickens at all times. So for us, it's like, you know, as long as they're out here and they're running wild and I'm bringing out snacks, he's he's made it amazing. Got the pickleball court and we've got all the gadgets and the gadgets and the, you know, all the things. It just it's great. You guys are really not just to have both of you here. We'll just dive into y'all. You guys are such a great couple. Y'all really are like I feel like and I told Jesse to be as hot as she is and to be as hot as you guys are as a power couple. Y'all are also just like so real and y'all do so many things.

45:21I was like, Jesse, how do you have this bandwidth? I do not have a bandwidth like you guys. But like, y'all just literally do it all as a family too, which I love because I feel like and Jesse, I feel like you probably have had to fight for this in you too, Eric. The industry and entertainment can, it can really try to tear you apart from your family. And I feel like you have put a strong no to that. And you're like, everything we do is going to be a family. Yeah, I think for us, it's, it's not even a try. I think luckily it's come so natural to us just to like, we just, it feels, it just feels good to be a family and, and continue to stay grounded in that because I think we just both grew up like that. So it would feel really strange to not continue on that. I think we have blessings and we're grateful for all the things that we've worked for in our life and that we have. But I think that when it comes down to the foundation has stayed the same since we've met each other.

46:21And I think that's why we were a great match because I think we just, we, we view the world the same way. Our values are the same. And what always comes first is our family and our relationship. And I just think when you put those things first, everything else falls into place the way it should because it's, it's putting what's most important into focus when you, when you put things that are superficial first or money or fame or whatever it may be. Like, look at how those things turn out. It doesn't turn out well or right because it's, it's unnatural or we're, we're take all this stuff away and look back hundreds and hundreds of years. What is always and always will be most important is your family and your, and your unit that you've created together, you know? I'll beg on Jess for a moment because she has a great job. I mean, she's the busy one. She's, she's doing a million things and it's fun watching her have success in all these different industries. And I'm not going to say that she's just categorized but, you know,

47:23she like obviously makes family first in a sense that we went on a trip last week and she should have fit in like four different shoots. Like the day that we got in so she could be done with work to spend time and also, you know, she's the work life balance is pretty amazing. But when she goes on trips to, she's last slide out, first slide in, you know, so there's no sacrifice when it comes to being there for her kiddos and for her family and, you know, really, we'll say no to things to make sure that family's first and that, you know, we are keen into what our kids are doing, their activities and schools to function. So it's, it's been amazing seeing her be able to do that and, you know, comes with maturity and just experience. And so, yeah, I think it's really nice. What's your success? Success is just like she said about being grounded and what's truly important. I think we've, you know, as we've gotten over, you know, what's more valuable, you know,

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