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Gemara Markings Daf YomiChulin 116. Machine-transcribed; use the interactive transcript above to jump the player to any line.

Kuf test of oven with bays, two lines before it gets wide after the fourth word. We put an assembly code and we're still going to be questioning a logic of this EC Ben Yahuda brisa that we brought forth. In the brisa, the Gamora asks, lamly lamay marquilla yakar mi hihu. We try to bring from Arla, then we try to bring from Hamizu pesah, and then we said, well, Kila yakar, and we'll prove the point. Why do we come onto that? Lema, why don't we just go back to another word we tried to learn from Arla that bus or bachala would be us or behana, it was boiled up together. The redden said, hawasa pesah, and after that we went right to Kila yam. Why not just say, Lema orla takiyach go back to Arla, in other words, Arla and hawasa pesah and Arla has pesah, Hauderdina, and let the logic revolve, please be madzad, and learn from a combination of Hamiz and Arla. I'm Ravashi Sravashi, so please be sure to equal the maimar, because if we would

have done that, the response could have been Navella taiyach, that a animal just dropped dead would prove the point. Shasuravachila and Wotera Spana, that is actually an example of something you can't eat it, but it is permissible to get benefit. I'm related with Mordhiyah, I certainly have Mordhiyah, he says to Ravashi, hachhi amrinam ishmaterashlakhish. I put a diamond around the hachhi amrinan, the reason I did that is because three lines later, the last two words in the line are hachhi amrinan, we're going to have another Mordhiyah, suggesting to Ravashi as the sookia develops. So at this point, or Mordhiyah, says to Ravashi, hachhi amrinam ishmaterashlakhish. This is, I think this sookia here is going to give us a lot of the general principles, how we exactly darshan sook him, what we can't do, what we can't do, what are the Gadarib. So this is what was said with the Mordhiyah, Kall, whenever you have, here's a two word phrase, Mehatsad, when you're learning from the commonality of something, something else or two things to something else or three things

to something else, Migufe Parkinan, Maamalay Parkinan. Migufe means from one of the things you're learning from, well there's one, two or three things, if you have a point to make, you can question the logic using one of those points themselves, but Maamalay Parkinan, another point, Migufe Parkinan, that we don't do, asks, I think maybe the Ravashi sort of Mordhiyah, or maybe the Kamara, well, Ehachhi, Kaisimah, had said. So the one you learn from, what the commonality is between them. Well, the reason you do that is me shimdiklamifra, because there would be able to be a possible refutation of Maalah had said, hashshava shibdohan, you can't bring from the commonality of those things, shikain gidulekarka, in other words, that would be a pierchakoldu, and that would be not acceptable. Well, since the Mordhiyah, that's the case, hashtanami, even as it stands right now, ikhalamifra, you could still ask, we had orla, that's stuff that grows on the ground,

khansipesachis from grain that grew on the ground, and keelaymus are stuff that grows on the ground, well, can't you ask them, malikilai, keelaykamsh, you can't, you do likearka. So even though we had this third issue, I'm related, so I guess it continues the discussion, says from Mordhiyah Thuravashi, hakhiyahmiram ishmaidur ishdohan, i put it in the name of the hakhiyahmirinan, kolan. A and B, kol a mehatsad, again, that's a, that's a type of limbo, just like you have, it's a similar issue when it comes to point a, or point a and b, or point a and b and c, parkinan, koldu, the potential rejection of that, potential question on that would be any type of question, whereas b, lo im, umris, I put a, uh, triangle on that, the lo im umris, well no, if you're going to say by like those things, you can't see by the other thing, that if the point that we're trying to bring to refuted is called some of this more lenient, or chlamers,

some that's more strict, parkinan, that we will use as a rejection of logic, whereas koldu, any sort of distinction, like parkinan, that we won'ts. Okay, well then still, that lifraik le kulu, why don't we ask on all three of them? In other words, Arla, humbets on pesa, which came from like grain, the kulu ground, as well as keelay, which is things that were grown, uh, together chumdra bin, mala kulu shikanki do le karka, you can't learn from all three of those, those are the things that go from the ground. Hello, I'm Raleigh Moore-Kuluravashi, I guess this is the, I don't know the third version of what was said, Hachem, we made a mistake, okay, this is how it was sent over, in the name of Rishakish, um, abnc, three points, a, Hada mi Hada, if you're learning something from something else, in the comment, in other words, one precedent to teach or something else, kulu ke war-kulinan kulu le karka, so if that original thing you're trying to learn from is either

stricter or more lenient, that's a valid rejection of the logic, whereas kulu who just a difference, not more strict, not more lenient, which is different, low-barkeh that we won't, comma, b, if we're learning that one thing from another singlety, but rather Hada mi Hada, one thing from like two other things, then if you look kulu ke war-kulinan, even the slightest distinction between those two, and the third is a valid question slash rejection, comma, si Hada mi Hlaas, which is sort of like what we were trying to do over here, we were trying to learn balsamahama from number one, Arla plus number two, the comment is the peseh, plus number three, Kilaik, Aram, that kulu, i-hada, Dina, if the logic we've all done, we had some of the learning from the commonality of let's see all of those three things, then Birken and Kultu, even the slightest pier kha, would we judge the logic, however, ilo, if not, kulu, kura, parkeinan, kultu, kula, parkeinan, something that points out that why this is a little bit more lenient

or a little bit more strict, that is a valid pier kha, whereas kultu, just a difference, not necessarily more maqmeer, oh that's maqmeer, low-barkeinan that we don't ask, period, asks the gammara, if a lyphry, well then how about asking this, why not say, baulakilayakaram, you can't be a proven klamikaram too, let's say, someone who boils together meat and milk, shikane lay high saline shasa kosher, kilaikaram, what's kilaim, from the moment it was planted it was forbidden, it didn't have a moment where it was permitted, arvada-barava, sravada-barava says you got a sort of zoom out of whatever the scenario is, and zai-sai-maris from here you see from the fact that we didn't ask that, that it seems like the kilaim initially is us as soon as it's planted, and as it, well maybe we say as soon as it starts to take roots, kilaikaram, ikaroness, or as soon as it starts to take roots, the high saline shasa kosher, and then when was the sash of kosher that it had, kaya-sash-shasa,

before it actually took root, mussel of shmaya-barava, you're rather following today's source, it goes exactly what word in lines is like this, let's say somebody has a flowered plants box, and he's carrying it, it's got other things that are growing in it, it carries it over a vineyard for a certain period of time, in other words those are the unikas that that similar sort of like sustenance that would come from the ground, the grapes, hamaa ver, someone who's passing over an author's knock of a plant box with holes in it, big caramene, vineyard, em, hoysif, my siam, if there was enough time there that more than one two hundredth of the growth of it was when it was in this vineyard, it would actually be us, right the ratio of those kilaim is one to two hundred, now let's make a deal from that, hoysif, if it increased that amount in, but loho sif, if it didn't increase that amount, like one two hundredth rather less than that, loho apparently not, somewhere by a,

by explains like this, tracroyd cv, there's two sookim when it comes to this cv on the one hand, it says pentick dash hamaa, less become koloch, it's not what you're feeling, it's feeling it looks cv, and there's not about this as the zero other cv, another was not the actual growth but the seed itself, so how can it say, how do you have it, is it the seed itself already, or only once there's growth, well, zaru ami ikari pashrasha, if it was planted like initially then it's going to be once it takes fruit, whereas zaru aubah, if it's already then hoysif in only if there is increased growth, loho sif, but no increased growth though, it would not be us, semi colon, our mission as we had presented about three dafogod, the loki heitan of this idea would not be like the following teneyak source, this teneyak source goes for just over five lines, we had said in our mission that meat boiled together with milk is usurty, then musters to get hanaa, here's a different opinion,

this price it says, or shumin, you heard a mischum or shum, pashrasha halav, is ashrabachila, omotirbana, it's forbidden to be eaten, but you could sell it, you know, for benefit let's say, shun emra that the pussic says, ki am kadai shata for you are a holy people, do not most vashkili bikhali dhimay, never halloween says elsewhere, the amshikai dashun li men of holiness shall yaw all be to me, say the lord, call it, malahalin just like over there, what are we talking about, a taifa, an animal is a traifa, usurbachila, it's forbidden to be eaten, but much more, now you can sell it to the Gentile butcher shop, afkan sochi over here by busurbachala, ashrabachila, musurbachila, no, go to this opinion, right, you can eat it, but you can certainly get benefit from it, the mischirabach on kofi gimal al alif had a number of opinions, one of those were bikiva, bivay, mrechayev alif, so the gammara says one second, honey, these examples, afkinhu le kiddishmua,

but didn't we use those for schmuaal, one was to teach the khayla of the animal, boiled in milk, one was to teach the dead animal, one of them was to include a shalil like the embryo, the fetus of the animal, and one would be to exclude a tamea, so kasovra bikiva, the gammara explain to her bikives of the opinion, that isur, how al isur, even though someone has already asked because one reason if there's another reason that comes that could be ostrich wise, then khayla volmesa, those two issues, the fredin fats or the animal drop dead, those shilkhra they don't need to pass at all, shalil, the fetus gidimaluhu, like a vitzio, no, grown fetus, you know, there was still inside, it born, it's full giddi, and isur, luhukulu, you may say, of all the terms available, and therefore, protlachaya, the alif, luhumemet's main comes to exclude, meaning it's not a terais isur,

so boil a wild animal or bird or a non-cosheranimal in milk, not recommended but not terais, awesome, if you'll say, luhumemur, naamarlai, so i include my ikabena, you say, luhurabik, if you look back at the mission, that second and third opinion, you can quite similar, what's the point of distinction, well, you could be now, i put number one in the margins, so i'll include it, two lines later i put number two in the margins, so the first, the presentation that can work is this, of what the nafkmin is, is khaya, what do we say about let's say a deer, we also have literally a sub, our khaya is a surgeraisa, to let's say boil a milk, which we keep us over khaya is only to rub on it, do you buy a same alternatively, it starts, that kind of approach, alif, ikabena, it's actually bird, what do we say about bird, we keep us subbers of the opinion, khaya, alif, in a minute term, neither of them, our, our, uh, uh, deraisa, how many drabananassiri, but say to boil, either, um, a, a deer or a, uh, chicken, and milk would be,

forbidden only at drabanan level, or as we'll say, lily, suffer alif, for the many drabanan amelia sir, uh, he would say that even on a rabbinical level, there's nothing wrong with it, actually fine, tananamiyah, if you have a brace, that brings out this point, goes with three lines, it bucks it off, and the claimant in the place of rabbia liezar, how you'd curse the mazimah, so it's probably mazimah, so it's barzel, um, I guess on shop, this, uh, this is, yes from shop is, uh, rubles or demila, so in rabbia liezar's place, he by the way is when he says that not only do he circumcise a baby boy, in the 80s, even in the shop, but even if you have to prepare a whole bunch of pre-preparations, which maybe should have done earlier, but you do those also, so he says you were allowed to literally shop down trees inside of him, wanting to make charcoals, who has to make a metal instrument that is sharp enough to perform this demonstration that day on Saturday, comma, now the point that we're really bringing this in for is because we were coming to him and he said, look at how you eat, look at how you eat, and they would eat, bazaik bachalbah, they would eat, you know, uh, bird that had been boiled in milk, totally fine, according to that

approach. That's the only thing I source, leave you a little bit of your guys in Rishba, leave you once went to go save the hunter's house, ice su la comey rations de vis la bichalbah, and they served him the head of a piece of type of bird, maybe like a peacock, not sure, but in milk, Le Amr l'Ovula, I mean, didn't you understand anything, he also look on me when he came later to the presence of rabbi, the very good Nussi, Amr l'Aisant to him, why did you not pipe up? Amr l'Ovula, Tishm'Ovula, you should have put him in Khairim, they're reading like, you know, meat and milk together and both together. Amr l'Aisant, so he responds rabbi and says, here's why I didn't do that, because I'll say to you, and this area, it's his place, that Amr l'Ovula, Darashlul, and I figured, must be that he darshan to them like Rabbi, I said, well, Amr l'Ovula says, you also have shame that you call of a, but actually, there is no Daraisa, is there for bird boiled in milk, because, I mean,

the Pazbasi describes it, that it outshout not boil a Kaila, maybe go in its mother's milk, well, birds, mother birds, so produce milk. Says the mission. Kaila, say, if you can call the mission, the veil, Kaila, in this context, Rashi says, Zehuch, al-Av, Koroshib, is a Kaila. Guess the way they make cheese in general is you have milk from an animal you chronicle it inside, they used to do it inside the stomach, one of the stomachs of the animal that has actually a very powerful enzyme in it that turns the milk, or very much, turns the milk into that spoole milk, but rather like chunky cheese. So the Kaba, and that stuff that's inside, that's milk, that is congealed, on Ivanka, Havim, or of an Avela, it is us, it would be forbidden. Kamahamid,

but or shall Kaba, somebody who, I guess is curdling milk, which turns it into cheese, that's how you make cheese, in the skin of that Kaba stomach, emeshmanois and tam, hariza, sura, if it is enough to impart flavor into it, then it would be forbidden. Period. Let's say you have a young animal, either a young kosher animal, or a young non-kosher animal, that is suckling from an adult female animal, that is either a trait animal, or a kosher animal. So, Kshera, if let's say you have a calf, or a sheep, or a little kid, that is suckling, may not trait, I don't know, I'm in a trait from a trait animal, Kbasa sura, then the Kbasa, the material find inside that found inside that stomach, which is basically

from non-kosher milk, would be forbidden, whereas trait, fashiyanka, may not trait, if you have a trait animal that is nursing from a kosher animal, Kbasa, interesting, enough to stop found in its sonoglasmiumoteros, permissible, you may should constantly have, because it is gathered together inside its intestines. Asagora, to Kbasa, maybe you could have a mafnavela, why did the mission represent as either you have the Kbasa of the Gentile, or the Nevela, what, the Kbasa, the Nevela animal, is not Nevela, you just say Nevela, so I'm a rough one, I serve with a rough one, and I'm born in the margins, I've settled it, and about 13 lines later, first word on his guzzru, and I'm going to learn this, and he says, it's a schmul, I serve with a schmul, and put it number two in the margins, so we're going to have two approaches, here's the rough one approach, ha ha, what's going on over here, but the Kbasa, you mean I'm going to call the muskete, and we're talking about when the person, Jew purchased a kid from the Gentile, the Chesina and what's our concern, Shemayana going to trade for the animal, that was purchased by the Jew, might have this suckled or

nursed from a animal which is a trafe, so in which it's one second, is that really a concern that we have, umi, Chesina, are we really going to be in Shemayana, be the trafe, Kuchmarkov, if that's not, we have a Mishna, seem to be getting otherwise, the Mishna goes for two lines of boxed opposite, like this, Leichin baits him, you can purchase eggs, let's say, like chicken eggs from agent, okay, and chushin, leh michin, leh michin, leh michin, trade, then we have no concern about either of those that it was from that stomach of an avid of a la trafe, Ella, so I speak one on the Ella, Elayma, rather we have to say chesina, Shemayana, kminha, tamaya, that's what we're concerned about, umm, Mishna trade for, well then why is it when it comes to maybe mama's a trafe, the milk came from a trafe, the milk is no good, uh, Deleichin, we're not concerned, we're Mishna, tamaya, like an encosure animal, they're chesina, we would be chesina, as well, simply, trade for loischriach, and animal's a trafe that's alive and you know, nursing is quite uncommon, whereas tamaya, non-cocher, mammal animals for sure, shrikhah, very common,

asmura ishrikhah, or the one second, if it's so common to have these like non-cocher animals, you know, kind of strolling around where they could nurse the young ones, um, afilugabi didan, nai kushivin, maybe barar animals we should be concerned, there's this no, because there's a big difference between what a jew's farm like, look, uh, looks like, and what the gentiles farm looks like, oh, no, nice quickly, and then, and then, tibetlina, mi na'yui, kind of say away from pigs and non-cocher animals, vik제를 requia ch제, hollmata mtechn ric fund utt min lif Limjida n колka plp kortotenwe FS SNI Uh... Gekki has a little Imitation, and also if they happen to see like, I don't want to their... Limes or one of their calves suckling from a pig, they... They're fine with that, they don't separate that.

There, uh, because we're up on the... We always made the Xero. The second approach is like this. Schmull, I circle, and called the Schmull A. The reason I get that is because two lines leader is Schmull, circle, and called Schmull B. So Schmull, I'm not... Hattagatani is actually one K since I understand the mission out of this two, but it's one. Cool. K-bashkreeter of an Ayyved K-ch-h-v-n-v-l-a. The K-b of the rented of a... Sh-kreeter of the K-ch-h-v-n-v-n-v-l-a was, uh... slaughtered by a Gentile is a... N-v-l-a. Um-i, Amar-Schmull. I'll give you one second. They're Schmull, they say that the H-m-r-schmull here is another thing that we have of Schmulls, I circle that... and put a B about that Schmull. Well, they name Ma Amrug, they've been called... Excuse me, they name Ma Astru, and they say that's a bit of a problem, but because of what, did they say that... What's wrong with you? Cheese! Uh, the cheese is a Gentile as well. Here's the reason, we may shit. Ma Amrug, you know, you saw... Boracabas de Vela. That's because they... they stand it up, they curdle it, they make it go from a liquid to a solid,

in the... skin... of the stomach and a Vela. Okay, then you've now been a hot-cabagufa, sorry, but the... rented itself would be permissible. It's actually the Gamora. Loi Kasha, the actual difficulty between Schmull and Schmull number two, took place at different times in his life. One was before he was Clasero, one was Afterus Clasero. Cheroshunak, a young criminal, Trayfa, etc. will be a sedentary or a Trayfa that is suckling from the Ecoserun. About any ratio, but once any... how can that be? Didn't the earlier part of our mission, say, here's a quote, one line, Caves of the Club, the rented of a Gentile and Animal, or an Vela, Harreizu, Asura. So, what do we say? Amarokrista, Raysha, because in the Raysha's case, if you're going to use the end of the Vela, Nira, Clasero, that kind of looks like you're eating. I mean, they're actually eating it, but you're using it, like, practically prepare the foodware. Ha-cha, Ecosketo, over here, though, that which is...

tends to be comparing and contrasted with this is... Esquita. Amar Leirova, Ravas is back for Love, cold decaying, who... is a lot of college again, that should be the case, and it will go like this. Man, Vela, Demi, Esa, most cultures agree that animals just drop dead to eat it. It's quite... quite disgusting. It's the E-Sharasley, K-Basal, or the Asura Mechelmi-Ney, whereas if, in that case, of a animal drug that if we allow that fourth stomach, last one, to be used, ain't nobody going to eat from it. Love, there we wouldn't say. Where's Traifa? Shkuta, the Shaurus, that's the Mechelmi-Ney, that's a Traifa of an animal that's probably shafted well, and it might come to eat from it. Love, closer again, out of the morso. Hello, Amar Leirova, it's like Amar Leirova, you can only catch this no difficulty. Conco de Bazar, a connojo chaz, or we go back, fall back on that... answer that say it depends. There was a change of opinion in midstream,

and therefore was this before the change of opinion, or after, Michel Lois, the second one, is once more authoritative, or authentic, because well, then, a Michel, even though it might be taught, in the end of the day, by the gamara that it says, it's not really sharp, you still don't edit it out of the body of the text of the Michelinis. I'm Ropliobarabam, I'm a Roberto Man, I'm meeting with you, I'm from Neveles, we curdle the cheese in that stomach of Neveles, and they're vey-loos of an animal that dropped dead. The aim, I'm meeting with you, is to go to the column, but not a Gentile slaughtering, maybe, because of the El-Bazar Khash'a. I'm on the founder of Shimbar Abba, he says back in his presence, well, Keman, who is that like, Karebiyal-e-Ezir? Should we say that when you're saying the sentence, that we go through El-Ezir, who says, Stamach Shabza, if it's a club in La Luz Khavam, that's a typical Gentile, when he's thinking about, you don't know what he's thinking about,

he's probably thinking about, so, he's going to offer this to the Buddha Zara. I'm a lay. Val-A-Mal, Keman, well, who will sort of be like, so yeah, I guess it's like Re-Biyal-e-Ezir? Period, Kya-Sar Shubar, if you'd like to come, I'm going to be going on, Ma-Middin, you would be able to curdle the milk, thereby turning into cheese, A, Ben-Bikabas, Neveles, B, Ben-Bikabas, Shkites, I think, the column, so the lachos would be Re-Biyal-e-Ezir, perhaps, and they're not going to concern us over this opinion. At least, La Lucha, is not a Ma-Middin, but, yeah. K-Bas, Nevela, you cannot curdle it into, in the leather of that stomach of an Evela, a Val-Mal-Middin, B-K, with Nevela, who B-K, Shkites, I think, we would be able to do it. If it is the Nevela, in other words, then we'll disrupt it, or, um, who B-K, who, uh, a Val-Mal-Middin, B-K, a Val-Mal-Middin, B-K,

that was, uh, on by a gentle. Ad-Cun.

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