Conversation With Barstool Chief Part 2

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He's been on an old friend of mine from Chicago.

He's been on the show before and talked to him a little bit about the rebuild

that is going on in Chicago.

And part of the reason Tyler is I wanted to bring on Barstool Chief

was that he just had Kyle Davidson on his show for an in-person sit down,

which I think is always an opportunity to get such a better read on things, right?

And Chief has been ride or die with this Chicago sports scene forever.

And he's somebody that's not afraid to call it like it is,

whether it's for good or for bad.

If everybody's being negative, but he sees a positive,

he doesn't mind going against the grain.

If everybody sees a positive, he sees a negative, same thing,

doesn't mind going against the grain.

So let's bring on Barstool Chief

and let's dive into this here a little bit.

Again, an early morning for you as well being in the central time zone.

So it's great.

Oh, I've been up, brother.

I've been up.

He's at the office.

Well, his dog is an early riser.

I know that.

So the dog gets him out of bed nice and early.

That I know.

Yeah, I've been up since five.

So we're good to go.

I've had a good start to the day.

So thanks for having me, boys.

Happy to be here.

Yeah.

Let's just start with your conversation with Kyle Davidson

and what that was like because it seems like

the Black Hawks are doing a true rebuild

where we see all these other organizations

not doing true rebuilds.

Like they're like, okay, we have a little bit of success

or we're calling it a retool or we won't fully commit.

I mean, the flyers, the rangers,

like you see all these organizations

that they're not really fully committing to it.

Then you have the Chicago Black Hawks.

I was there when they really burnt this thing

to the studs and then ever since

it's been about rebuilding.

And so when you sat down with Kyle,

like do you get the sense that this thing

is nearing a turning point or is it still

what, four years in or so, five years in

and it's still too early to really tell?

Yeah, it's officially it's a full presidential term

because you got that job, the interim tag taken off.

I think it was February of 22.

So he's been there for four years.

And like you said, like this rebuild really started

because they didn't do it before.

It was the Stan Bowman era was we're retooling,

we're rebuilding, we're going for it.

It's, you know, we're trading at the deadline.

Wait, no, we're getting Seth Jones

and it was kind of wishy wash with no real plan.

And then Kyle got the job.

The cupboard was very bare and it's like,

look, we got Brandon Hagel, we got Patrick Kane,

we don't have a ton of assets.

We know nothing of note in the pipeline.

So they burned it down and it was going to take a long time

and I do feel like the ship is turning,

but it hasn't necessarily left the port yet.

I think, you know, when it comes to rebuilds

and I consider myself a little bit of a rebuild connoisseur

if you will, I grew up an oiler's fat.

I was born in 97.

All I know is dog shit, hockey and rebuilds, baby.

And one thing that can get you in trouble I find

is like sticking to definitive timelines.

I think in 2015 Edmonton gets economic David

and they go, we have to trade everything we got

to make this next team so good.

They trade for Reinhardt, it's brutal, all that.

So with that being said, this feels like maybe the first summer

or Kyle Davidson is maybe feeling some pressure

to like make a big splash and accelerate this thing.

Like, I know that that can get you in trouble sometimes,

but if Davidson does go that route,

what's the right way for him to do it?

What's the right area of this lineup

room to make a splash this summer?

Yeah, I think they definitely need top six help for Bedard.

So they just don't have like a real running mate for him.

They haven't really played him with Frank March.

I'm not sure that that's a great fit.

So they could they could use a power forward type.

I kind of think it's going to end up being Anton Frontel.

I know everyone's got him penciled in

as like that second line two-way center,

but his traits where he can protect the puck,

he's good on the forward check,

he's got an absolute bomb of a shot,

he finds like the soft areas,

he might be like the perfect winger for Conor Bedard.

So it could come from that,

but I wouldn't turn my nose up at a potential,

Matthew Nyes deal or if Brady could chuck rumors

and his name hits the market,

I think the Blackhawks now have the cap space,

the prospect capital, the draft capital,

with especially after this most recent deadline

where they're getting a first and a second

for Dickinson and Murphy,

that they could be, yeah, I know,

that was a stand-bomb and special, thank you for that.

And I think that they could be in a position

to be aggressive if the right player became available,

but if it's one of these things where it's like,

hey, like we believe in the guys that we've selected,

and it's just gonna take some time,

I don't think Kyle has really ever deviated

or changed his language about the timeline for this,

because they have a collection between Bedard and Nazar,

more who just got hurt, the defenseman,

where you're seeing some of these guys hit the NHL level,

but the vast majority of their prospects

are not even turned pro yet.

So it is, unfortunately,

it's gonna take a little while longer.

I don't think barring some big moves in the summer,

I don't think they're gonna be a playoff team next year either.

I hope they're more in the San Jose category.

San Jose, their guys are kind of there.

Like Misa was kind of like their last pick.

Everyone else is kind of,

in their pipeline has kind of reached the NHL,

so it's not like they have the cavalry coming

the way that you could theorize with the Black Hawk.

So I think next year's gonna be hopefully a growth year,

and then 27, 28 is a playoff here.

Yeah, like I will give Kyle a lot of credit

for staying the course, and I would agree with you.

His messaging has never changed.

Like you watch every availability he's done.

You hear every leak coming out of there.

They all are the same.

It doesn't seem, and I also will say this,

like, yes, Frandel,

you have the kid in the KHL, like can't, can't us off,

or however you pronounce his name.

That's right, yeah.

You can't drop it.

I mean, I think you took a swing with Mason West,

and that could pay off the kid at UMass.

He's looking like he's moving along, right?

It's early on some of these kids.

Obviously, Boavair, this year took a step back,

and we kind of talked about that.

We'll see, he may be a guy who's a better pro

than a college player,

because he's not afraid to fight and do things like that.

You know, we're not gonna get too into that,

just because I know people are dying

to know what happened, why he didn't play yesterday.

I saw Jay Pandoffo's quote, just like everybody else,

said that he wasn't a healthy scratch.

He just wasn't available.

Who knows what that means?

I couldn't tell you, but you do have a number of guys,

and then look, I think with the defenseman

that are playing in the National Hockey League right now,

you know, Lev Schunoff, Renzel,

like I still think those guys have pretty high ceilings.

Like, I think that the fact that they've been up and down,

you'd worry if they were never up, right?

Like the fact that they've had the highs,

it tells you that it's there.

It's just, you're gonna have to work things out

and kind of take your time.

I mean, that's, look how glassic's root was.

Yeah, yeah, and I think you've seen that with, you know,

Frank Nazar pre-injury looking great.

He's, he's heating up again now,

but he's kind of a streaky guy.

It feels like like his scoring really comes in bunches.

So you hope that he can kind of smooth that out

be like a consistent threat,

but the work rate's always there.

Yeah, and you're right.

The defenseman, I think Kaiser has taken a huge step this year.

He looks like a top four guy.

I really love why a Kaiser.

You're right about that.

You loved him when he was in college.

You were very high on him when he was at Duluth.

Yeah, it's, it's the competitiveness of four-way skating.

You can do a little bit of everything.

I think he's a really good, really good player.

So it's like they have their D-core.

My concern about the D-core is that maybe they don't have

like that Norris type guy,

and maybe they get him in this draft, I don't know.

I think I wouldn't be surprised

if they took another defense,

but it feels like the only prospect,

and I feel like it's early to just write off

everyone.

But Korkinski's road has been kind of a bumpy one

to say the least where it's like maybe you should have,

in retrospect, left him in the WHL instead of calling him

up, the argument was that he was too good

for the WHL and he wouldn't develop.

I don't know how much I'm buying that,

especially in hindsight.

But other than that, it's like, yeah, you're right.

Like, Lev Shinov, look at his last three months, tough,

but his October and November were great.

And so I'd like to see him in Rinzel finish really strong.

You've also seen Louis Crevier, who was a guy who's,

you know, he's a monster, he's six eight or whatever.

Yeah.

And, you know, late, late pick.

And I don't think anyone thought much of him,

but he looks like he could be a very solid third pair,

penalty kill type of guy.

So they're kind of finding guys too.

Cancer off was a second round pick.

How many of you mentioned me?

Second round pick.

Hello.

Second round pick, Ryan Green.

I mean, that's a guy who, I mean, you've probably watched, you know,

maybe a hundred games of his at this point, but, you know, center,

you know, kind of thought of as a two-way center.

And that kind of speaks to the lack of prospects at the high end level,

at the NHL level, where Ryan Green is thrown not as a center,

but as a wing on Conor Bedard's wing and holding in his own in his rookie year,

because he has that hockey IQ where he knows how to play with, with a guy like Conor,

because he can just see it and, and yeah, he's been very impressive.

Where he fits in here a long term, I'm not sure.

I still have, I still feel like they need those centers.

So I hope that he transitions to that eventually,

but he's forgetting his feet wet, top line, original 16 with a,

with an all-star like Conor Bedard.

I think he's had a phenomenal year.

One thing that is, you know, again, like a traditional hockey team building kind of thing

is like you have a handful of young defensemen,

then you get a few grizzled vets to pair him with.

And obviously Conor Murphy was there for the bulk of the season.

And they picked up a guy like Grizz, like before this season,

just to, you know, kind of eat minutes lower down in the lineup.

But like I'm looking at the guys they have under contract,

your team control for next year.

And the oldest one is Velasik at 24.

Are you concerned at all that they could go into a year with a blue line that's too young?

Like is that maybe also an area where maybe they need to add some veteran presences this summer?

Yeah, I think they probably will.

You know, Grizzly came in on a tryout contract and he's been really good.

You know, a third pair, he's helped on the power play.

It seems like he's a very well-liked guy.

So having Grizzly come there has helped.

But yeah, I think that's something to be on the lookout for.

But at some point, it's just like you got to go with your best six guys.

And if your best six guys are 24 and under, then that's what it is.

So if you want to sign like a guy who is a death beast as a six or seven,

that's fine.

But, you know, I think we're seeing, you know, Del Masha was up now.

And, you know, Korkchinsky's had some games up.

So it's like they have this, this gluttony of defensive prospects where it's just like,

I don't know if I want to take minutes away or games away from a Renzell or a Lev Shinov just to have a veteran in there.

If those two guys and the rest of the group are just better than whoever you could find on the market at this point.

So I wouldn't, I wouldn't hate signing somebody, but it has to be the right kind of guy.

And I feel like a lot of times when they've gone after these veterans,

it's been mixed results.

So I think, you know, I love Connor Murphy.

I'm happy for him that he's out of town.

We'll get to play some meaningful playoff hockey.

But I think he was an important voice in that room.

And you hope that, you know, the young guys have learned enough lessons.

And it's maybe it is classic is ready to kind of assume that role.

I mean, Colby, you know, a lot better than I would.

I don't know about his leadership capabilities or anything like that.

But he seems like a good guy.

And maybe he is just ready to step into that, that role for the Hawks.

Very well liked a guy that, yeah, you're, you want to, hey, where are you going to lunch?

Where are you going to dinner?

Like, I want to go with you.

Definitely one of those guys.

Tyler, well, and we didn't even mention Jake, Jake and Jason Dickinson,

who was another important leader in that room.

I mean, he, Jason Dickinson came to Chicago and spread his wings in a way that he never had an opportunity to and other markets.

And I'll give Kyle credit.

He's done that with a couple of guys.

And then he flipped them for really, really valuable assets.

He did it with Lafferty.

And then he brought him back.

He did it with, now with Murphy and Dickinson.

Although that was, it's a little different because Murphy was signed by Stan Bowman, originally in Chicago.

And then there's a couple of other guys that like he brought in.

He kind of built them up.

And then he turned around and got high draft capital for Tyler.

I'm curious since we brought in again with Manjupani.

I mean, there you go.

Yeah.

Yeah, right.

Tyler's laughing.

Tyler, what has the, like, how have you felt?

Those two guys have, have done since being traded from the Black Hawks.

Have they fit into what the oilers were looking for in the early returns?

Yeah.

I mean, and you guys were laughing.

It's a Stan Bowman special.

But then you're heaping all these praise on these guys.

I mean, which one is it, boys?

Was it a good deal or were these guys good valued leaders?

But I think it was kind of like a win-win for both sides and all honesty because those two so far, it's only in three games,

they kind of fit exactly what the oilers need.

Like Murphy's just such a hard-nosed defenseman.

And the things that were kind of being told to me and the oilers fans as like deficiencies in his game,

I actually don't even think they're that big of deficiencies.

He moves the puck better than I thought he would.

He's not a lead at it by any stretch, but like, he can hold his own.

I was told defending off the rush.

He's not all that good.

But he's had a couple of really strong moments, especially against Vegas, where he made some really nice plays defending off the rush.

And Dickinson moves better than I thought he would.

Big body plays pretty physical.

Like, I, no reason through three games to be upset at all with what those two have brought to the oilers lineup.

Because again, the oilers can't defend.

And those two guys, if they can do anything, it's defend.

Yeah, the Black Hawk sneaky for a bad team have one of the best penalty kills in the league.

And a lot of that was based off of having those two guys in critical roles.

I think where it turns into a potential bad trade is because your timeline is so short.

So it's like, if you don't win it in the next year or so with McDavid, then he leaves.

And then you don't have any draft picks.

So like, that's where it gets sticky for the oilers.

But if you're going all in, then you know, fine.

And you think Murphy and Dickinson get you over the hump, hump, not rooting against you.

But it feels like maybe a little bit of a desperation move at this stage.

Yeah.

Again, they're in this weird awkward spot where like McDavid's given them this two year timeline.

And it's like, well, if you don't go all in, you're going to piss off Connor.

And he's going to leave.

But if you again, make those moves, you're emptying the tank for the future.

And who knows what you'll look like in two years.

It's, they're not in a great spot.

But I'm just happy.

Stand and go back for thirds.

I was dreading like a eye coward for Ilya McKayev or some shit and stand and just keep going.

So at least we didn't get that.

I think you could have used McKayev, too.

I know.

I know.

It was like kind of sad and just.

We have an interesting comment in our chat.

And it's funny.

Johnny and I were recently talking about Brandon Hagel.

And the question I proposed to Hagel.

I mean, to Johnny was, if he stays in Chicago, is he a Canadian Olympic player?

And the comment in the chat from Tornsie 27 is the only debatable move Kyle Davidson has made was trading Hagel for two firsts.

And I'll just jump in first before I kick it to chief and see what he thinks about that.

I don't.

It's easy to sit here and play Monday morning quarterback on a guy like Brandon Hagel who has really taken off.

And I think a lot of people will say they knew he would.

I mean, he was really effective in Chicago.

He was one of the only effective players when he got traded.

And obviously the team was going in a different direction.

But I just don't know if Hagel would have reached the level he was at.

Had he been playing through this rebuild?

Now, Granite would it be unbelievable for Connor Bedard who have been riding shotgun with Brandon Hagel the last number of years?

Yes, it probably would have.

But, you know, I just don't know like about the timing of it.

I mean, he needed to go out and make some interesting trades and take some risks and move some guys out in order to get to the bottom and have those high draft picks.

Like, I just don't.

I don't look at that one because Hagel has been so good as some massive failure.

Even though, yeah, would you like to have Hagel right now? Sure.

But does Hagel become this good if he's not playing in Tampa under that leadership surrounded by those players?

In front of John Cooper every night?

Does he make the Canadian Olympic team?

I don't know the answer.

I'm not going to say no, he doesn't.

But it's a lot less likely in my opinion, chief.

Yeah, I agree.

And it was one of those things where I think everybody knew what we had in Hagel.

Maybe not quite to this height.

And he got off to a little bit of a slow start in Tampa too before they really kind of, you know, put him in a better put.

Yeah, right.

Right. And then he really took off.

And that's a great team.

But it's like, yeah, would he be nice on Bidard's wing? Sure.

I don't think they have kind of a dart if they have Hagel because it's like you kind of had a decision to make.

Where it's like, are we going to do the retool thing?

Where we're going to build a team that, you know, maybe in theory, if you fill out around the edges the right way.

And you keep strong and doc and to bring it and Hagel and Patrick Kane.

Could you fill out around them to be a wild card team? I think you maybe you could have.

But then you don't have all these prospects coming.

You probably don't have, you wouldn't be bad enough to have Contra Bidard unless you really tore it down.

So I think I'm comfortable with getting rid of them. I think they got a good package back for him. Jake McCabe, you know,

was in that same timeline.

And so it was just one of those things where it's like, we have to, there's two paths here.

We can kind of shoot for the middle where we can sink to the bottom of the pool.

That's why I'm talking about that about being in the middle, right?

I mean, there's a lot of fan bases that that yell and scream every day and feel like they're stuck in the middle.

So I mean, there, there, there's more of that than the other thing for sure.

And I couldn't agree more with you.

You have a good relationship with, with the, with ownership.

You know, and I have to give Danny words, you know, the chairman.

I got to give him credit because not every owner can stomach what they're going through and allowing a general manager to actually put a plan on paper and then see it through very few.

I would say actually allow them to do it the right way.

To me, it seems like Danny is actually affording Kyle the proper time to rebuild for the long haul.

And I'm curious, are you getting a sense of any like, are they getting antsy?

Are they okay with the plan?

Because are there people coming to the games?

It seems like people are way more interested in the team this year than in previous years because they played a better brand of hockey.

But what's your sense on all that when it comes to the progress and what the leash still has left on it?

To see this thing through because like you said earlier, like this is moving along.

This does not feel stuck. It just takes time.

It's a large ship takes time to turn the ship.

Yeah, I think the fan base really that that game early in the year was national TV where they beat the blues eight to four.

And there was a scrum at the end and Nasar pops out of the scrum and he does, you know, the, the hair celly and.

And Pedard was on fire to start the year.

I think that really energized the fan base and then the injuries took some of the wind out of the cells as far as Danny words.

You know, it's been kind of a tumultuous run for him between the whole TV situation, the broadcast situation, which obviously are, you know, two different things.

But they they've had a lot going on there.

And it hasn't always been smooth sailing, but he hasn't allowed the business side of things to really impact his trust in Kyle.

I think you'll see Kyle get an extension here pretty soon.

And I think, you know, he has tremendous faith in him and he's willing to stay the course.

And I think there's been enough kind of positivity this year.

And so you can you can feel it turning.

You can kind of feel it turning now.

I don't know if they become a cup team or anything like that.

But I would be shocked if this team isn't very, very competitive in two years and then hopefully for the long run.

So there's there's still work to be done.

There's still, you know, development and draft picks and, you know, filling out the edges of the roster.

But I think that they're in a good place.

And I think Danny has been exceptionally patient and and rightfully so.

So, you know, Kyle was in here and he's like, yeah, I can't remember if this was this conversation.

But he's like, I got the best boss in the world.

And and Danny lets him do his thing and doesn't metal, but wants to know and ask good questions.

And and I think he's a very curious guy.

And he and Danny really cares.

I think that's the thing.

You know, it's like he he saw how his grandfather ran it and it was not great to be a Blackhawks fan.

And then his dad Rocky was a hero here and still is.

And so I think there's there's pressure to to live up to that.

And rather than just try to be like reactionary and be like, this is taken too long.

He's willing to take the long course.

And I really hope that it pays off for him personally because I don't think it's been easy.

And there's been a lot of a lot of change here and not all of it has been positive.

You know, as watching it as a fan, that is.

But he's really kind of held a steady ship and I really do hope he gets rewarded for that.

I could say this before, you know, we kind of let you go here.

The treatment, and I've said this before, the words family treated me and my family.

It's just like I to this day can't believe how well they treated us and how much they cared about us while we were there.

And even when I was higher, just the carpet that they rolled out and the care.

Like, and I don't think it was special.

This is how they how they operate and they rolled it out and made sure we were comfortable and made sure we had help finding a home to live in.

And when my wife was pregnant, they made sure everything was like handled at the hospital and when we had my daughter.

I mean, they went so above and beyond.

And it was Rocky and Danny.

And it was, you know, my experience with Rocky was just awesome.

Nothing but unbelievable and friendly and fun and caring.

And again, my experience.

And the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Like Danny, Danny is a good human being at his heart.

Probably, you know, I get engaged in like one of the first texts that comes in is from Danny words.

You know, so it's just like, and like, I'm a blogger on the internet.

So, you know, I think he, I think he cares about people and he wants people to have a good life and be happy.

And, and he likes to see people be successful.

And so I hope that he gets to experience kind of, I hope that all comes back to him.

Yeah.

Like that's really what I want.

I'd like to see at the end of the day, I'd be happy to see Danny words and Kyle Davidson with a big silver cup over their head at some point.

I think I would be happy to see that.

So you've got, you've got five draft picks in the first two rounds this year.

And there is five first round picks over the course of the next three seasons.

And, you know, more cap space than you could know what to do with.

So, the good news is, is Kyle's been disciplined.

But, and the other good news would seemingly be that he has every opportunity to strike when that opportunity come.

Stay there, be patient.

When Brady Kitschuk becomes available, when Adam Fox becomes available, I'm not going to say it because Tyler's here, but when that other guy might become available.

That's what you're talking about.

Matthew's exact.

Matthew's there we go.

Thank you.

Hey, I know the record thing.

I don't buy into the Conor McDavid timeline.

I think he stays an Edmonton oiler, my personal opinion, but go ahead, chief.

No, yeah, I think.

And that's the thing.

I was doing the radio show on ESPN with Pat Boyle.

We had Sarah Volly on around the deadline, your guy.

And I was like, you know, I use analogy where it's like, you know,

I don't want to be just building, building, building and end up as the Minnesota wild.

And when I say that, I mean a team that's in the playoffs every year and loses in the first, maybe the second round.

And he's like, well, they're a Stanley Cup contender.

And it's like, well, yeah, right.

Because they just went out and got Quinn Hughes.

So it's like, I, you know, I hope that they have the ability to like really build this.

And I think Billy Garen's done an amazing job there where they have the superstar.

They have, you know, a cadre of really good defensemen.

When it's like, we are, they got the goalies, which that's another thing.

Kyle, I feel like it's almost the Spencer Knight Seth Jones thing.

Like people on the table.

He's just part of this.

And like that was a great trade.

And he got it.

Great.

I don't know if that first round pick will be this year because of the top 10 protection.

But it's like that was, that was a great trade, even without getting that first round pick.

So you have your goalie.

They're, they're in a great spot.

But at some point, I do feel like you got to find a way to strike.

Like you said, and get that superstar that takes you from being a team that's in the playoffs to like the Minnesota wild are now.

Because without Quinn Hughes, you know, they're still a very good team.

They probably don't have legitimate Stanley Cup aspirations.

Like they needed that star, that number one demand.

And I hope that the Hawks are able to make a move like that in the future.

If it doesn't come from within.

And maybe, maybe it does.

Maybe they find that guy in this draft.

Maybe Frondelle is Sasha Parkoff, you know, like who knows.

It's too early on a lot of these guys.

So you know, most of these guys are still 18, 19, 20 years old.

And it's like, you know, there's going to be a coming.

You have waves like the first wave is there.

You still have waves two, three and four that are already in the system.

You're not waiting to see who they are.

So I do believe that the waves are coming.

Yeah.

And like Mason West, you mentioned earlier, is a great example where it's.

That kid gets drafted, goes back to high school, wins a state championship as a quarterback.

Now he's in the USHL.

Then he's going to go to Michigan State.

He's probably going to do at least two years at Michigan State.

Then maybe you're a rock.

We're looking at 2930 for his like first full time contribution to the Chicago Blackhawks of things work out.

So it is, it takes a long time.

But you're right.

The waves, the cavalry is coming.

It's just a matter of how high is up.

And can you find that established guy, that star that becomes available one way or another to make you a real cup contender?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Mason West has 18 points in 28 games this year with Fargo since leaving high school.

Remember, he joined Fargo while the season was already going.

So he goes from high school hockey to the USHL.

We know how hard of a league the USHL is.

That is the league that puts hair on your chest and gets you ready for division one hockey.

You know, there's plenty of, you know, data that shows that.

And then you're right.

He'll go to Michigan State.

He's on a slow plan like Renzel.

Yeah.

Right.

And so you see the ceiling.

Chief, thanks for coming on this morning.

Good checking about the Blackhawks.

Like I said, not, you know, probably not getting the credit in my opinion that Kyle would deserve on a national level because I feel like a lot of these moves have kind of flown under the radar.

Because the team hasn't had 16 winning success.

So kind of good to get your point on, you know, your point of view on it, especially after you just had that sit down with with KD here not not long ago.

Yeah.

And hopefully it's a fun end to the year because Frandell should probably be up in a couple of weeks when his Swedish teams eliminated.

Maybe you see boy there here.

Yeah.

You can't throw up in cage.

I'll get knocked out.

So you'll see like, you know, I don't know if they'll be in the NHL next year, but they'll get a little taste this year and it'll make it fun and exciting way to end the year.

And then hopefully we kind of continue the everybody takes a step in the summer.

And then maybe you are kicking around that wild card spot next year if everybody can stay healthy.

That's that's been that really derailed the season there.

So I think they got the right coach, the right GM, the right owner, the right superstar.

That's a great way to start.

Yeah.

All right, man.

Thanks for coming on.

We'll talk to you soon.

All right.

Yep.

Yeah.

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