Could Caleb Downs Drop OUT of the Top 10? | Doin' Alright Draft Edition

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Doesn't mean they're going to trade him and but the minute that Cleveland says listen, we're putting miles geared on the market then we need to react to that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But man, we hear some things to talk about. Brian said he has some phenomenal questions from today. So we're going to let him leave the party. And I guess I'll just be yapping about stuff.

Yeah, thank you, man. I always appreciate the opportunity to ask you questions here. I'm getting better at this question answering thing, I think.

So let's start this one with true or cap truth or cap, right? True or cap truth or cap? Brian Shontheimer yesterday at the University of Texas said, quote, I think we did a really good job of setting ourselves up to be able to draft natural and draft pure, which is what you want to do.

You don't want to have to be forced to reach for a player. That's when you make mistakes. Truth or cap Brian Shontheimer believes the Dallas Cowboys and the offseason have set themselves up to draft natural and pure.

That's a phenomenal way how you worded this Brian bros. I believe that the Cowboys are going to go into the draft with that mindset.

The Cowboys are never going to say damn linebacker is an emergency right now. The Cowboys are going to say, hey man, we draped a smart James, he got to step up.

Yeah, overshowing got offseason, you know, I mean, we'll probably draft somebody here or there or one of these, you know, we ain't got to reach.

But maybe this linebacker's class is so it's so rich that we feel like wall walk away with somebody.

True that I do think that they're going to take BPA as well. It is cap if they think that their linebacker room is just good to go right now.

Yeah, maybe they feel like their linebacker room per the linebacker availability in the draft, puts them in a good spot.

Right. That'll make sense. For example, if you need an offensive tackle real bad in this draft, you might be in deep shit.

You know what I'm saying, if you don't get one of the top two teams of the top two tackles, per whatever team you talking to, them dudes could be guards for some teams.

So if this a class where you need tackle, you might be in deep shit. For the cowboys, if you need linebacker, man, you can take line man.

You've been talking, you can take linebacker to either one of your ones, threes, one, 14, I think you'll be, you'll be good about it.

But also, I think that the cowboys have a pretty good plan about how they would attack linebacker if an emergency happen and they need to, they needed to go get one from outside the house.

Yeah, I kind of feel like though to me that I like what Dallas has done at safety.

The addition at corner, I think it was a good one, but you're right about the linebacker situation and stuff like that.

I mean, I don't think they're completely have that ability to draft pure.

You know, I'd love to, I'd love for them. You and I have had many discussions over the years about draft and the best player on your board and how that tends to work out better for Dallas.

When Dallas is reaching and trying to justify taking somebody because the in class will be wiped out in the next round and all that.

That's when Dallas is at their absolute worst.

But when they look at their board and they trust the stack and they trust how they, how their grades are on those guys, it tends to do a lot better.

I think it's, I think it's there's some truth to his statement, but man, if he could add one more linebacker.

We'll feel phenomenal.

I'll feel that. Maybe if you can add two players.

A linebacker and an edge.

And a linebacker and an edge.

I feel phenomenal.

And that kind of leads me to my next question with you.

And I want to give, I want to give this gentleman a lot of credit for for what he did here and and and the question and and it and it happens to be really a trade value question.

And this comes from Johnny Joe Yarba.

And he's he's he asked me this question on the on my crown global media account.

He says, would you trade the twelfth pick in the draft of Miami for Brooks and their second and third and then trade pick 20 to Minnesota for Bernard and their second and third.

And let me walk you through how that looks.

I'll walk you through the walk you through the and I think it's a fascinating question.

So that is Miami and who?

That's Miami and Minnesota.

So you're getting Brooks the linebacker and you're getting Bernard the edge.

Okay.

So basically what you're giving up is 12 and 20, which is 2000 and 50 points.

So what you're getting back in return for Miami is you're getting back the player.

You're getting Brooks the linebacker.

You're getting to you're getting 43 and 75.

So you're basically getting 685 points plus Brooks is what you're getting back.

Dallas then is going to make then would you make a deal with Minnesota.

You would then get 49 and 82 plus Grinard.

That would be 590 points and Grinard.

You would be getting 12, 1240 total draft value or picks back and two players.

And so then it would turn you into you would then be drafting at 243, 249, 375, 382, 392.

Okay.

My answer is first of all.

Now wait a minute. Let me do something real quick to some people also brought up.

Some people when I retweeted this, they brought it up that wait a minute.

Can you do something with Miami's 30?

Okay.

So you can do something with Miami's 30 and then their 75 is what they're trying to do.

So this gentleman was trying to stay in the first round basically.

But it's 30 as we know it's a second round pick.

I mean, we've only got 15 first round grades.

So it's basically he's trying to stay inside the first round.

But would you consider that?

You would add a starting line backer.

You would add your edge plus you would pick up four picks, two in the second and two in the third for your 12 and 20.

The answer for me, surf is level.

This might be a long response.

No, no problem. We're here all day as you'd like to say.

I got a show after this. No, we're not.

But to answer your question, let's start with Miami.

Okay.

The answer is no.

Okay.

I don't want to put that much faith in the second round like that.

I don't want to put that much faith in day two like that.

Okay.

To where now we're playing games with, well, I get more picks now, more dark throw.

I'm not dark throw guy.

Yeah.

I think I can drive.

Okay.

You know what I'm saying?

There's people out there that don't think Dallas can drive and that's why they gave it the hell no.

That's okay.

Yeah.

If it was me.

Right.

I still believe in like trying to get the best dude that you, that you possibly can.

Sure.

I would rather, and this is just for the Miami part right now.

Yeah.

I would rather just take the three and give them the, I just give them the damn three.

Yeah.

For Jordan Tyson.

Yeah.

Jordan Brooks.

Yeah.

You want to just give them 92 and call it a day.

Give them 92.

Yeah.

Cause if that, cause what that is to me is, hey man, I, I'm just out on Olsa.

We got to move over.

Yeah.

You understand me.

Y'all want a defensive tackle?

I'll trade Olsa for Jordan Brooks.

We both walk away happy in my mind.

And then you can work the money out with Jordan Brooks, heavy you want to.

And I get to keep 12.

Right.

I think 12 is gonna is, is gonna matter to me here.

It may or may not be Bane.

According to what some people say in, you know, uh, downs could be there.

Right.

Sonny could be there.

In the event that they're not Jeremiah Love could be there.

Cardinal take it be there.

I think those dudes plus Jordan Brooks, the elite player at 20.

12 and Jordan Brooks is more valuable to me

than Jordan Brooks and a couple of day two picks.

Yeah, you feel me?

More valuable to you than 43.

Jordan, so is, so Jordan Brooks and.

43 and 75 are not valuable to you.

You would rather have the elite player.

I'd rather have the 12th player, you think this.

If I've learned anything from this Michael Parsons saga,

and none of these people, Michael Parsons,

the dude that you get at 12 and Jordan Brooks,

I'd rather have the better dudes.

You can have a team full of cats.

I think the better dudes matter first.

I mean, coaching is another conversation,

but in your mind, you feel like you like you have that.

But Green Bay was a fine defense last year or the year before

with the same dudes that they had.

You insert Michael Parsons to that thing,

they're top five defense.

Michael Parsons gets hurt.

Green Bay loses a shit ton of games

and they barely make the playoffs last year.

Defensively, right.

I think dudes matter.

So in that case, I'm trying to make the argument

that I think 12 is gonna be a dude.

Okay.

I mean, I'd be a defensive dude.

But 12 is gonna be a, it could be Jeremiah Love.

See, this is what's good about you

because you're keeping an open mind

about the board being open.

I'm open to any.

You're open to an offensive player,

which a lot of people aren't.

A lot of Cowboy fans, or if you watch the Cowboys,

so I'll say, that was needs defense.

But you're more open to like thinking big picture

that that guy at 12 could be potentially CD-Lam.

Yes, sir.

That instead of taking chase on,

you're taking future player

that's gonna help you down the road.

1000%.

And look, you could hit on them second round grades.

Yeah.

But you can fucking hit on this 12, you know what I'm saying?

So I want to keep 12 and Jordan Brooks.

Minnesota can have 20.

Okay.

Minnesota can have 20 right now.

Or Grenard.

And what you say, a Grenard and 92 and 82?

Yeah, what you're gonna get out of Minnesota

is you're gonna get for 20 now that it would probably

be a little bit different.

But they were trying to,

he's trying to say you could have 20,

but you'd get 49 and 82 and Grenard.

49 and 82?

Yeah.

Top 50 pick, top 100 pick, and Grenard, they can have 20.

They can have 20.

Because in real life,

trading back from 20 in this draft,

might be a second and third anyway, or something.

You know what I'm saying?

So the way I'm reading this real quick,

and I got to do this because if I don't,

I'll forget asking you.

You really value the pick at 12.

Whereas 20, you value the pick at 20,

but you're more willing to do something with it.

To try because you don't feel as confident

about that 20, the player 20 being a dude,

like you say at 12?

I feel good about the dude at 20.

Okay.

I feel good about the dude,

but I feel about the player, but not the dude.

With the same mindset of I'll trade both the picks

for Max Crosby, or Miles Garrett,

and I can't find a player at 12 and 20 combined

as better than Max Crosby.

I can find a player at 12 long term,

I feel better about then Jordan Brooks.

Oh, no, I understand.

If you got Caleb Downs for 12 years,

that's better than Jordan Brooks to me,

or Groom Bane, or Cardinal Tate,

or Jeremiah Love for five years,

that's better than Jordan Brooks to me.

I'll figure out lineback later.

But 20 is different because I know the dude's at 20.

Right.

Give me Grinard to do.

If you, Brian, look, let me look you on the face.

If you bring in Jonathan Grinard and Brian,

you can tell me from wrong.

If you bring in Grinard, Gary,

or Donovan, as Raku, have to sit now.

Right?

That's what you do for your past restaurant immediately.

Right.

So that and 20 are different, right?

So the 20th overall pick,

whoever you make, that may be Armace and Thomas.

Armace and Thomas might be your third or fourth rusher.

Right.

As opposed to Jonathan Grinard coming in starting now.

So I'll take Grinard, the top 50 pick in 49,

and the top 100 pick in 82, and I'm straight.

So now what my haul is out of all this shit,

is I keep 12.

You can have 92.

But I got Jordan, tight, he wants to say Brooks.

Jordan Brooks, I got 49, 82,

and I got Jonathan Grinard.

That's a haul.

I don't need the extra two and three.

Yeah.

Because I got my linebacker, my rusher,

I get to pick the best player at 12.

I don't got to be greedy.

I got to extra 49 and 82.

There's no way I can get you to come off 12 then, is there?

Brian, I'll sit the whole third round.

I'll be doing the draft show with you in the world.

I'll sit the whole third round.

Like what y'all doing, y'all all right?

Cabo's ain't, boy, Arizona.

I love that for them.

We straight.

Good pick, that's what we do.

Good pick for Minnesota.

I love, boy, and look.

Let me make my boy a real quick.

Just to be fair to them.

Minnesota, fucking round the draft, Brandon C. Say, eight.

Just out to Minnesota.

Boy, Minnesota got theme in that 18,

and they got C. Say, it's 20, boy.

Good job for Minnesota's DBs.

I got Grenard, and wait til I get to 40 some,

and draft Mellow Hague, then I get to 83,

and draft Lou Ellen, and I'm straight.

That's two edges.

Rodriguez, Barbara, whatever you want.

You know what I'm saying?

No, no, no, I don't, 12 is a potential question.

If you're not getting Max and Miles,

12 is then important to me.

12 is important to you.

12 is important to me,

and I think that's the first round grade of player.

That's the first round grade of player.

If my first round was, if my first peak was at 16,

I might think different.

Take Jordan Brooks, give me this,

because it's at 16, I'm out of first round grades anyway.

One of my first round grades.

Cause you're still in that window at 12,

is what you're saying.

I mean, that window at 12.

One of my first round grades is gonna be there.

Yeah, let's go.

I like it.

I thought about it, man.

That's a lot of peaks, and I would love to have them,

but if we're not going to go get Max,

cross me, I need 12, I need the impact.

The thing that I was sitting there thinking,

and I know when he asked the question,

I was kind of thinking like, yeah, I'd like to do it

if I was drafting.

I was a little worried if Dallas was drafting.

If I was drafting, give me all those second, third round.

If it was me, Brian, we ain't missing.

That's what I mean.

Give me a little cocky about it, but it's just kind of weird.

Okay.

Yeah, boys, fuck around and drive like Jake Slotter

in the second round of social shit.

300 bound pounds, there's nothing to talk about.

It's a complete tackle in the second round.

Not bad, not bad.

All right.

Speaking of Caleb Downs.

Yeah.

Yesterday on 105-3, the fan on the K&C Masterpiece,

Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network was on with the boys.

And he had an interesting take about Caleb Downs.

What's here?

Well, I think you might have just killed one of my dreams

because I was going to ask you if there's any way

you could figure out how to get Mansour Delane

or Caleb Downs a little further down the board

to the Cowboys.

I think Dallas is legit.

I think I wouldn't give up hope on Downs.

The Mansour Delane plane has taken off,

and that is not landing anytime soon in DFW.

So that one I think you can forget about.

But I do think Caleb Downs is,

I would not put that one to rest just yet.

All right.

Daniel Jeremiah, former NFL scout, highly respected

analyst for the NFL Network.

Everybody likes Daniel Jeremiah's opinion.

He's a plugged in guy.

The question I have for you, Pachy, is, why does he think that?

Because team Sucka Drafton and historically

safety's been weird.

Historically, safety's been weird.

Team Sucka Drafton.

And maybe he's been having the same conversation

with some of these people that May Aqua's having

with some of these people.

You remember May Aqua?

Oh, May Aqua, yeah.

And people kind of attack May Aqua a little bit.

Like, you dragged it clean and furrow, what's you know?

Same thing happened to Matt Millen, by the way.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

I think this is definitely the time of year

where the insiders are talking to the peoples.

They're talking to the scouts.

And if you ask the media personalities individually,

hey, what's your think about Caleb Downs or whatever?

And I'm saying, sure, I like Caleb Downs.

But I think Jeremiah also said something like,

hey man, I think it's more likely that he go from 10 to 20.

Why would he say that?

Like, where do you get some numbers from?

I think he heard a bunch of people say,

oh yeah, I wouldn't go down, stop 10.

I wouldn't go down.

So when I hear them talk,

the Mayox, the,

Ty McShay's Jeremiah Bucky, like, they talk to people.

They talk to people.

So as good news for us, for the Cowboys or whatever,

I think in general, the problem with this draft,

is not a bunch of quarterbacks.

It's not a bunch of premium offensive tackles.

I say premium offense tackles, like bona fide,

Laramie tons of type cats.

You got two dudes that some people think are guards,

but they just happen to be, that's a great point.

But they just happen to be the best tackles in this clip.

Yeah.

I saw Mark and I had Munro top 10, Munro Freely Gorgeous.

That's why, and listen,

I'm not trying to be like, throw up my hands guy,

throw up my hands in the offensive line.

In the row, I used to work with a guy named Rowan Cavanaugh,

DallasCabboys.com, and one time I said something to Rowan

and he goes, you got me.

But as Anzum said, you got me.

And I, I'm that way about these offensive linemen.

I, listen, I, why do I love the Arizona State kid

more than anybody, you know?

I like the upside with that whole thing,

but these offensive linemen,

I do not have a very good handle on.

And as, as they start going off the board,

maybe some guys down there,

when you get down to the third, fourth round,

I might be a little bit better on,

but those top guys, other than Malanoa,

I mean, it to me, it's like,

I would hate to be having the draft

in an offensive linemen in this, in this class.

A lot of these dudes have, have warts.

Like David Bailey and some other draft might be,

I gotta go 15, you know what I'm saying?

Like that's just, that's just where we at right now.

Yeah.

I think Jeremiah is saying that,

I don't quite think it's his opinion,

because I've heard Dan Jeremiah come on

and say amazing things about Caleb down.

I think yeah.

I follow all they work.

I think what Jeremiah is echoing is,

what a combination of team actions would probably lead to.

Like a result of these team's actions,

what would happen?

We could look it up, but Jeremiah's board,

Caleb down is probably high.

He said he was eighth.

But what he's saying is,

I mean, they looking at the running back,

they looking at the receivers,

we might get three offensive linemen up here.

I know the past rush is gonna be gone.

I think,

Styles is gonna, you know, shoot out the board,

I think they value his athleticism.

I know the corner is gonna go.

Some people are in on Delane,

on McCoy, some people may be out.

Maybe the consensus that he's hearing is that Downs,

is that Downs gonna fall?

That's great news for us.

It's phenomenal.

That's top five news for us, you know what I'm saying?

Do you think,

do you think they would take Downs?

God, boys.

Yeah.

I think they should run to go get Downs.

But do you think they'll take Downs?

I think they would run to go get Downs.

I think they would run to go get Downs.

I think they're gonna think highly enough of him

and his style of play, communication,

what the Cowboys need.

Cowboys still need safety.

I've been saying this show for months.

Cowboys probably gonna need three safes more

than need three corners, you know what I'm saying?

I think they would run to go get Downs.

I'm trying to find an example on my board of like,

some for example, right, Wheatley.

From Penn State, me and you've been talking about him a lot.

Wheatley's high on my board.

High on my board too.

I don't think he's gonna be as high on the league's board.

I think we're higher on Wheatley than they are.

See, that leads me to, that leads me to my next question.

Okay.

That leads me to my next question with you.

Who's the player in this draft

that the Cowboys front office is higher on more than us?

Man, Brian, I never forget being in that draft last year.

And man, it was like Bobby or something.

And we was all fair.

And Bobby was like, I don't know, man.

They like my care of Wheat.

I'm like, why, they like my care of Wheat?

You know what I'm saying?

And I think Bobby was saying to us,

cause they ain't nothing wrong with liking my care of Wheatley.

I like my care of Wheatley.

I just like my care of Wheatley later.

For somebody else.

I think Bobby, yeah, for sure.

I think Bobby was saying,

amen, for the pick that we had,

is he either gonna be milling my care?

I think they like Booker Walton Olin.

That was the conversation we was having in the draft for.

Sure.

And I was like, not my care.

Yeah.

All these other names on the straight.

Yeah.

And look, we were up and down on Nolan,

the tackle from Ole Miss Lassie.

We were kind of up and down on Nolan.

They love Nolan.

They love my care.

Yeah.

We agreed about me milling in Booker.

Yeah.

And but that's 50-50.

That's 50-50.

So Brian, with considering that archetype,

that might be fault.

That might be Parker.

Yeah.

That might be Peter Wood.

They might love Peter Wood.

That's funny.

You say that because those were the three players

when you and I started this journey.

That we were unsure of.

That we really had a problem with.

Like, why are they right here?

Why are they here?

Why are they here?

And yeah, that's the, you know, listen,

if they were to take one of those guys,

it does, I mean, I would say,

hey, I would have done something different.

It's what matters.

They're the ones that,

they're rears on the line every week on this stuff.

But I think they, I think they do,

I think they do like the guys you mentioned.

I think that they like woods and Parker

and fuck much better than you and I do.

Do you think, maybe not Parker,

I'll give him that much credit,

but do you think woods and fuck are 12 guys for them?

I would say so.

And listen, this is not me.

This is.

Well, no, no, no, I'm not,

listen, I promise you though,

I promise you when you and I work together

as we continue on here, we get to the end of the year,

I'll learn, I'll tell you exactly,

I'll give you the best guess

who I think they're going to take there at 12.

That's a joke I always say about you

back in day, right?

Like, I didn't even know you.

But, you know, we'll just be leading up to the draft

or whatever and nobody will be talking about nobody.

And we up here trying to figure it out.

And Brian and just pop up on the radio one day,

what do you guys think about Layton Van Derisch?

The linebacker from Boyz,

and I used to be like,

why would Brian ask us this question

at the end of the draft process?

And Brian be like,

what do you guys think?

Have you guys watched this Tristan Hill here

from UCF and lo and behold,

like we just learned who the cowboys like

and they end up drafting those guys?

Yeah, we'll definitely have that.

Well, I think I'll have a pretty good idea.

By the time we get the draft 101, we'll have a top five.

I think so.

I think so.

But I just, to me, I think that they probably,

listen, we did a thing yesterday on the stack

where we went through that scenario

where you made a great argument

about taking an offensive player.

You get wiped out, okay?

And you got wiped out.

And what I, in Zach and I,

you should I ran through a mock draft

and the way the PFF mock draft fell,

we made a determination.

It got down to us

and we got down to those picks,

the Kansas City Cincinnati Dolphin Pick.

And all of a sudden, it's like guys,

we have a chance to go get a defensive player

and we didn't do it.

And we ended up having to take

limited wide receiver because of the grade, you know, that.

What you really pushed your own limit in?

He did.

Yeah, what you're pushing on.

Well, he pushed, well,

I issue was on that one too.

So you know, in the room,

you have to kind of go,

sometimes consensus will kill you.

Yeah.

I would have fought for Tyson myself, but anyway.

When we do the crown bigboard,

it's gonna be the two of us

or it's gonna be the four of us.

Oh, that's always fun to have four, right?

Are you, would you rather,

tell me what you want to do.

I'll do whatever you want to do.

I like, I like to hear.

The better content would be the four of us.

Yeah.

But we would need five shows to pull the shit off.

You and I could do this for me.

If it's, look, if it's just me and you,

I think we can sort this thing out.

We can sort it out.

We can sort it out pretty quick.

If I got a fuss at Zach and I,

he's a man, we'll have to do five.

They might fuss it out.

Now, we'll go, all right, child,

we doing one through 20 today, two through 40.

You know what I'm saying?

It'll have to be like 224.

It'll have to be like that.

So it's up to you.

I mean, it shows you what it is.

I don't mind even as a captain of the ship, right?

Is that what you're saying?

I don't mind even.

Here we go.

Here's another question for you, though.

Give me a player.

Let's do four.

If they want to wake up in the morning

and come do the shit,

we'll do four for you.

All right, I'm a fascinate.

Five episodes.

Five episodes.

Thought you give me a player in the first round

who will go later than expected.

Let's just say McCoy don't count.

Yeah, same McCoy don't count.

I'll even say Bane don't count,

because I think Bane, if Bane fall to twit,

it's like his range now.

A first round, one of my first round graded players

or a player that'll be in the first round.

First round.

Somebody that everybody's talking about reasonably high,

that's probably gonna go later than what we think.

I think it's always gonna be the running back.

Yeah.

Teams can't really fool me with this, you know what I'm saying?

With this.

Oh, well, we like Jeremiah Love, man.

Running back in safety fall every year.

Running back in safety fall,

unless you like Bijon, Sequon, right?

But in general, I think Love is closer to

how we've like Hampton coming out or whatever, you know what I'm saying?

He's better than Hampton.

I think he's in that range closer than the Sequon and them range.

Hampton fell to like 20, but it depends on the draft.

This draft is different than last year's draft, but I think I've been saying this.

How about this, Brian?

I've been seeing Spencer Fano fall in these, these, these.

It's been kind of, it's kind of strange that I've been seeing Munro higher.

Yeah, the people, it seems like they've switched Munro and Fano out.

Yeah, yeah.

It seems like they've switched those two guys out.

And why that's the case.

I don't know.

Because I mean, the film don't change.

I've all, like you say, the thing with Fano, he's,

man, he's a really athletic guy.

He's not very strong, but hey, listen, I have a, I have a history with these guys,

you know, as we, we all know this.

But man, I'll tell you what, I would take him all day over feeling from Georgia.

Yeah, yeah, just wood.

That's, that's the one to me that's got me kind of perplexed.

They both aren't powerful, but I think Fano deals with strong dudes better than Munro does.

Yeah, I think Fano's hands are more solid.

I think Fano's the better athlete.

And even though Munro plays in the SEC, yeah, he's, like, I think Munro's biggest fight

was like Kendrick Falkersome.

Fano's biggest fight was David Bailey.

Yeah.

And I think Fano fared better versus Bailey than Munro did versus Falk.

So yeah, Fano is better than, than Freeland.

Have I been seeing you fight?

For Proctor at Alabama, fight for him.

Yeah, man, I think, um, you know, I mean, I mean, you're not fighting for Dallas.

You're just trying to, you're just trying to say, and you were absolutely right on Booker at Alabama.

You got a good handle on these Alabama linemen.

I think what happens is with these bigger, slower footed dudes, yeah.

It depends on how you choose to live through getting beat because you're slow for it.

Right.

DeWine Jones, I stand on the table for him.

He was the right tackle from Ohio State.

Right left tackle Paris Campbell was getting draft buzz much higher than him.

He got to draft much higher, much better athlete moves better.

All this kind of stuff.

But DeWine Jones knew how to play football and he had length that'll bail them out.

If you get to Paris's back hip, which was hard because he's athletic.

But if you get to his back hip, you kind of beat him.

It was hard for anybody to beat DeWine Jones because length bailed him out.

Right.

He knows how to use his hands and length bailed him out.

So Kaden Proctor is a guy that didn't have the best feet 360.

A team will probably get him to 240 or something.

And these guys will get wins on him.

But he got good hands and he has length and that bailes them out.

Plus what's most important.

I'll go back and check this text man.

Is that I said?

Pretty sure.

I think what's most important is the level of competition.

There you go.

A lot of people that play like, you know, they may like Lomu, the left tackle from Utah.

Better.

Yeah, you can watch him play against Bayley and and height in those guys.

So Lomu beat the shot to Idaho kids or something or whoever the head of the Montana state

kids or whatever.

But the biggest competition Lomu play was Texas Tech.

Right.

Melo, Hey, beat the shit out Caleb Lomu.

I'm like, damn, I just show one opportunity to do something and Melo smoked you.

I did this, this little, this little homework assignment.

Here's the competition that Caleb, that Caleb, Kaden Proctor.

Cause Caleb Proctor was two days ago, Kaden Proctor, the, the left tackle from Bama.

Here's the competition that he, that he played against our guy, Halton from Oklahoma.

Okay.

Per my board, Halton's a day three pick, a folk from Auburn, second round pick for me.

Our Mason Thomas, probably his biggest fight.

Second round pick for me, Mason Rager, Wisconsin, the edge.

I wanted to be a third round guy because I'm phony, but I got a four on them, whatever.

Zion Young, I got a third on them.

Some people say Zion could go first round.

Josh Joseph's a third round from Tennessee, key Ron Crawford from Auburn,

the opposite of, of Kale Junkfalk, third round for me.

And Mike Kale, Mike Kale Camara from Indiana, four for round for me.

So I'm just looking at the guy, at the competition that all these guys played.

Kaden Proctor, one, two, three, four, five, six, set,

played against eight NFL edge players.

Bad.

And they're, they're day two early day three guys for me.

Sure.

So if you're Kaden Proctor, he only gave a one sack, by the way, and it wasn't against none of them.

It was against a Florida state kid.

So, um, and just one sack.

So if, if you, if you go, all right, Kaden Proctor, I saw him losing reps.

He's losing him versus the best dudes, right versus Lomu, who's beating the shut up

the Montana state kids.

I don't know if that's even who he played.

I have to look it up, but versus the whoever kids.

And when he finally played the Texas tech guys, they took turns whooping on them.

Right.

I got to go with the do that played against the better competition, right?

The much better competition, right?

And, and only gave a one sack and played some, some, some good fights against them.

So that's my argument for a proctor.

Yeah, I mean, to me, that's, that's as good as you can get right there.

That's as good as you can get competition wise for sure.

Yeah, let me ask you this.

My final thing for you here.

Arville Reed, so a lot of the video came out about the workout and stuff like that.

And then you were starting to compare the bend to him with Bane and stuff like that.

Are we now being unfair to Arville Reese?

I watch film, Brian.

I watch film.

Does that, how much does that bother you that we might get a bag drill and people

are saying the guy can't bend, can't do this, can't do that?

Everything that happens at a pro day or a combat or a workout.

Yeah, remind me not to ever send you a pro day.

Don't send me.

Yeah, I may go to ask some questions.

Yeah, but don't send me to go watch no damage.

I mean, I watch the drills.

Yeah, I ain't moving about in my board.

Uh, Arville Reese, me and John owning was talking on Twitter one day.

Yeah, and we talked on our show.

Yeah, I say, John, what I learned and I even came to you once ago, I say, Brian,

Arville Reese is a lineback for me that you did say that.

So when you look on my board, he's a linebacker, right?

And he's a linebacker that whoop ass and pass rush or whatever, right?

But we all can acknowledge that he's a raw pass rusher.

Right.

Got a lot of room to grow.

John owning said it.

I said to him, I say, man, John, man, he's really just be people with great athleticism

and great natural ability.

He doesn't know how to fully pass rush.

If y'all don't miss shows, you've heard me say this, right?

So of course, when he gets to his pro day and he's doing edge movements

and he doesn't doing better than Rubin Bain, who's a black belt at edge, you know,

when I talk about people, like, oh, yeah, he's athletic.

He don't know how to play D line.

Rubin Bain knows how to play edge.

17 weeks, we saw him do that.

Like a M effort.

He knows how to play edge or a very reason.

I know how to play edge, you know what I'm saying?

He's been a full time.

He'd never been a full time edge.

Never mind.

He's a linebacker that play edge sometimes.

Yeah.

I think he's the top player on most people's board because of his ability to be a linebacker

and to effectively pass rush, but he's only been pass rush for a little bit.

And there's so much ceiling to his upside that that may be why he's the best

player on people's board, the best non quarterback on people's board.

So when I see, when I see RVL Reese do pass rush drills, he hadn't been doing

these long.

Yeah.

He hasn't been doing these long.

Right.

Bain been pass rushing for seven years, man.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

RVL just now getting into the swinging thing.

So it ain't nothing that can happen at a pro day or a combine that'll make me go.

Okay.

Well, the film lied.

Let me check this out.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

I'm not moving nobody on my boy because of no, no pro.

That knew RVL Reese draws a rush.

There's people that will say this though now that you can't take an off-ball linebacker

in the top five.

I take them.

Yeah.

I think I would too.

I take one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What's your name?

If you count those three, that's what I'm saying.

I mean, I've seen, there's a lot of people out there that are coming.

And listen, there's, hey, that's the great thing about with, with Twitter X,

whatever you want to call it.

Yeah.

People have opinions.

I don't think necessarily their opinions are always right.

I take RVL Reese in a heartbeat.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's, you're talking about, you know, you guys are teaching me about the ceiling

and the floor things.

I'll take RVL Reese and I, I, I plan in two spots.

Yeah.

Just like Ohio State did.

Absolutely.

They go your linebacker right there.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

I mean, let, let, let him, let him or Downs or one of those guys slide to me at 12.

Yeah.

I'll hand, I'll hand that card in.

I don't have a problem with that.

That's where the Cowboys had the advantage in Israel.

Yeah.

It's somebody overthink it, because he ain't so good draft.

It's not an overthink it.

Right.

They'll fall to you.

Yeah.

They'll fall to you.

All right, man.

Appreciate you.

I looked up Caleb Lomu's matchups.

Oh, did you get them all?

He played against Wyoming, who ain't got nobody being drafted.

I'll tell you what, man, they got some great cattle ranchers and pharmacists at Wyoming.

I've been there.

I got my ass kicked in Wyoming one time.

You see who, like, like, hands?

No, like, I was standing on the sidelines.

Yeah.

We played the University of Wyoming when I was a TCU.

Okay.

Every Wyoming is one of the most beautiful places I've ever been in my life.

Okay, guys.

Yeah.

Like, it basically sunshineed in the first half and snowed in the second.

Okay.

Down there, William Cal.

Wyoming, UCLA, BYU, Kansas State, Cal, Polly.

I thought that was a high school Cincinnati.

Big 12 schedule.

Yeah.

Imerian Winston from Baylor, whoever that character is, Arden Walker from Colorado, long

story short.

Scholar Gil Howard, but he's another tech guy.

So the three tech guys are his best competition.

They all kind of did some stuff to him.

You know what I'm saying?

So, hey, whatever.

Ladies and gentlemen, I appreciate you, sir.

No problem.

Thank you very much for having questions for us.

Let me get this ready here.

And don't forget, Charlie, we got a quarterback week next week.

Me and Brian are going to be gradually with an attitude breakdown, some quarterback.

Brian, I want to give them their, they're going to do, but let me tell you this, though,

when you evaluate quarterbacks correctly, and you talk about them, I think people recognize

you more as an evaluator, if you could get the quarterbacks right, then that means nobody

respect nobody.

No, I'm just saying, man, I mean, you're like an offensive line expert, but if you get

quarterbacks right, I guarantee you, people will say, Votch, you thought the LSU Kidna

was smart, was a really good player.

And you had him high and you said, oh, I, you know, I do think some of the biggest

growth I got on my YouTube page, very early, I looked at, had my homes, and I didn't

remind me I ain't right.

First round.

First round?

Great.

I didn't say that.

Um, for March 27th tomorrow, and man, I'm double thinking these names a little, I probably

should have picked some other names, but you talked about that you were going to go

and we were going to, so we good from March 27th.

To April 3rd.

So we got our guys.

We're going to do tomorrow.

We got 12 quarterbacks next week.

And then I'm going to redo it.

Then you get to get to get to get some whisper guys, right?

We good to go.

But March 27th, Cole was new ski safety from tech.

The more I, the more I look at this name, well, why don't I add this name anyway?

Anyway, Albert.

He was an East Swiss game.

Was he good?

Yeah.

He was East Swiss game yet.

I'll take your word for you.

You don't even know what he was.

No, no, no, no, no, no, I, I called the game.

I remember calling him.

A couple of times, yeah.

Because it last name major.

It was new ski, yeah.

Cole was new ski safety from Texas Tech.

People were asking about him, by the way.

There's some people, I guess, sort of tech.

That's Texas.

I ain't trying to get these in Texas.

Albert Regis, the DeLiaman from Texas and him.

Okay.

Ephesians Priceock.

Presec?

Presec.

Isn't it?

I know I got to look it up.

Ephesians Priceock, cornerback from Washington.

Carl's dimming.

Cornerback from Steve and F. Austin.

Ooh.

And Drew Shelton, we've been watching for three weeks.

We've been watching for three years.

Yeah.

Keep going back to school.

Get an N.I.L money.

Get an A.L money here.

I just know we ain't going to like it because he keep going back to school.

Offense tackle from Penn State.

We're going to watch those guys tomorrow.

Where we're going to watch them and talk about them tomorrow.

And next week, we're going to talk about quarterback all week.

Now look.

Make a prediction real quick.

And he surprises out of that group.

Out of this group right here.

Yeah.

Anybody going to go, wow.

I've seen Rob's out of fourth round grade on this guy.

I've seen Regis up people's boards.

Yeah.

I'm sure Cole was new skis a white man.

He is.

At Betty's.

Try hard.

I bet he won a smart safety.

Very try hard.

Did I cue?

Yeah.

At Betty.

You're going to think maybe you're looking at the Texas safety.

Yeah.

Anybody had the same.

I had the same five.

The same play style.

Bramber.

That's reasonable.

Whatever.

But yeah.

That's who we got.

That's who we got.

And Ephesians price stock.

Maybe.

Yeah.

If you got a Bible name, you got it.

You got it.

You got it.

You got to be walking on water.

Maybe.

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