Crystal Skulls - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 9/10/26

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3:09And for 16 years, she studied crystal skulls and the legend of the 13 crystal skulls introduced to them by a Mayan priest later fulfilling prophecy by discovering her own crystal skull. Sarah Nash on coast to coast, it's been a while Sarah, how you been? Oh, it's a yeah, it has been a while. I've been great. I've been great, actually really busy writing, visiting the White Light Express has its 25 year anniversary coming up. So that's that's kind of a big deal. 25 years of prayers. And let's remember you don't have to pay to pray. That at all. How did you get involved in such kind of spirituality? Oh, my life. Yeah, I know my mother thought that I needed an exorcism at a really young age took me to a priest who was the first person, first person who actually validated me, but my fascination with crystal skulls happened because well as a Jungian analyst, I'm actually the world's most skeptical psychic, but I had a dream about this old man.

4:16And he was holding up on skulls over his head. Now I, I never really got into any of the whole rigour, or any of the legends or anything. I was really interested in aliens, paranormal situations with ghosts. And because I've had my own NDA, I, NDA. Yeah, I have that. I have that near desk experience. Don't talk about it. When I had my dream as a, it just, I looked it up immediately the next day. And this was back in 20 2009, 2010. And I looked up old man, crystal skulls, and the first thing that popped up on Google was Hanbat's men. And there was the man that I dreamed about that I had that dream about. And it was shocking.

5:16I really, really shocking. Like I said, I'm skeptical. That's like my first go to is it's not a ghost. It's not an alien. It's, it's not something spiritual. It's, it's, it's, it's something that our mind is making up. And so when I get confirmations like these, this is what kind of puts me over, over the line into the supernatural and the paranormal. But, and then I had to meet him immediately. I began writing and asking. And so when I finally did meet with Hanbat's on the solstice during the, and he was the my and priest, the my and priest, right? Yeah, absolutely. And Patricia and Daniel Cardona, they actually had, they run the cosmic mystery schools, but Hanbat's had his own crystal skull. And when I met him, he, he said, you know, you're not magical. What's inside of you is magical. And you know, that was my first, I think moment of bruise, Diego. I'm like, I'm not magical. I wanted to be magical. We all want to be magical.

6:25How old Sarah are crystal skulls generally? Well, old, old is the earth, they're carved. I mean, the Maya and the Aztecs used school imagery and they carved stone, jade of city and and other materials into sacred objects. But the famous large quartz skulls that claim to be in the world. And they claim to be ancient Meso American artifacts. They've not held up well under scientific examination. So there are several examples of how that show evidence of modern cutting and polishing techniques. And this, this does improve that there wasn't an ancient person that never carved anything resembling a skull from crystal. It means that we basically, we, we lack any credible archaeological evidence for the grand tradition described in what we would call model modern crystal skull floor.

7:35They're old, of course, they're old, but I mean, basically we can go back to the early 19th century and it starts with the Mitchell hedges skull and others, the Smithsonian skull. But we don't have any real evidence. But I'm not going to say that that doesn't mean something. How do they carve them out so smoothly? Well, they used rotary. It's it's it's modern technology. When we look at the, the, well, the documentation is that they were probably used with diamond cutting skills and just, it's all modern tooling. The there's no evidence that shows that they're that it's done by ancient hands. Well, that's an interesting cake. What do you mean by that?

8:36Well, you know, when we go back to religious and spiritual traditions. Okay, and this is like following Isaac too, because almost everywhere skulls and bones have represented mortality, our ancestors, saints, wisdom, initiation, those kinds of things. Christian traditions preserved relics of saints, right, Buddhist and Hindu traditions sometimes bring in human remains or skull imagery as reminders that we are impermanent that we're going to transcend. But the Meso American civilization, civilizations used a lot of skull imagery really extensively, but European Christianity developed what is that? Momentum, or he. Remember that you will die basically different cultures really interpret the image differently.

9:41There's a basic message that keeps returning life is temporary. What are you going to do with that? But are you saying that they were carved out from ancient mechanical abilities? No, not at all. In fact, quite the opposite. I'm saying that it was modern. Anything ancient that we have that is representing a skull is the tooling on it is completely different. Well, when you say modern, what do you mean by that? Well, I think it's important to go with what the prophecy, right, the 13 schools prophecy and where that came from. And so we don't know not anything resembling the documentation that we'd expect for a genuine ancient prophecy. So no known Maya codex containing the 13 schools prophecy and there isn't recognized pre-Columbian inscription laying out the story either the crystal skull story accumulated layers during the 20th century.

10:53And it really became intertwined with a lot of new age teachings. And the indigenous attributed prophecies like Atlantis and extra extraterrestrial narratives that came later. So when somebody says ancient Maya prophecy says that there's 13 crystal schools, my next question is, you know, which Maya text. And that's where the historical trail becomes really, really thin. But I also want to point out that our crystal schools today represent a kind of a modern form of ancestor symbolism. And I know you're going to want some after here in this. This is an amazing story. We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine years old now, was suffering with not just one or two warts, but I mean a significant outbreak of warts all over his body. So significant it impacted his ability to really function.

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18:10You never seen it least so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween. It's an artist on artists on artists on artists on the I heard radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. What is the legend Sarah of the 13 crystal skulls? Mostly that when there are there are 13 skulls that when they come together, then we're supposed to have this sacred moment of revelation. A K disclosure perhaps. It's it's about a doorway opening, if you will. Have these 13 skulls all been found? No. Okay, so this is this is where I want to step in with what I do know from a really personal place because again, I've only had this experience with crystal skulls for about 15 years and I have my own. And the way I have a 13 pound rose quartz crystal skull and her name is Leo Rose and she's traveled.

19:16She likes to visit people. She's sat with some of the grandmother's and she's she's been to Sedona. She's sat in a couple of conferences. And so I give her the personality that I feel is best suited for the vibration. The rose quartz vibration right of love and and that heart based stuff. But so I have actually met someone who who claimed to be part of creating or spreading the 13 skull story. This was in Mount Chasta and this was like 2012. My husband was with me. He this guy in this crystal store, you know, we walked in because at that point, I had a very small Jasper. It was it was carved out of Jasper and crystal skull that I had found at a different store, a different crystal store, but he's he said to me, well, which one of the original 13 crystal skulls do you want? I have like 30 in the back.

20:29And what he said though was that he and a few of his friends that were in the the selling the crystal trade, which was part of this new age movement that in the new age really isn't new, but he did the pushing forward of, and what was it that Isaac said earlier, somebody said in the in the in the first half of your show, George, idols are the marketplace. Like it's it's it's it was all about capitalism and how could they how could they really influence people to buy more crystals and to really get involved with it. So because this 13 the prophecy really asks us to become involved in something and pushing something forward. And I believe what that something is is disclosure. So what fascinated me really about this man telling me that he and his friends back I think he said it was the late 70s or maybe the early 80s, they came up with this plan to, you know, promote crystals and

21:39make it more so that people would make it more so that to make it better for people to become more involved, say at a very personal level with their their stones. So like I said, I didn't really care whether his claim was true. Basically what I did was I found myself sitting across from someone who was essentially saying you know this ancient legend, it's it may not be ancient at all. And you know, here's the thing, it didn't destroy my interest. It really didn't it deepened it because then the question for me became how does a story become sacred. I mean, how many generations have to repeat something before the folklore becomes traditional and you know can a modern myth carry a psychological truth. Well, how many of these 13 skulls have been reunited?

22:44Well, 30, I don't know. 30. It's not a 13, you said 30. Yeah. Well, 13 is really it's like an irresistible number. It carries associations with lunar cycles, transformation, feminine symbolism and Christian imagery through Jesus. Yes, yes. This guy that you mentioned though can't have all the skulls. I'm sure that. No, that's just the point he was being a reverent about it because there's there's not 13 crystal skulls whether they're crystal rose quartz or or granite or you know, a different kind of sediment or what have you the thing is is that it was promoting an idea to push something forward both to promote capitalism, but also to get people really interested in what crystals can do for them.

23:51And and really, you know, it's really difficult to take the skull imagery and and and make it irreverent. There's something that happens to us. I mean, it's like we all have a skull, right? I mean, it's like it's again, it represents that whole mortality part of it and and and the sacred essence behind it. Well, okay, let's consider a wedding ring. So chemically, nothing happens to the gold during the ceremony, right? But nobody's going to actually argue that the ring means exactly what it meant while it was sitting in in the jeweler's case. So the same thing goes with a crystal. We see something we walk into a store, but a skull makes it far more personal. So what these 13 skulls could be scattered throughout the planet, right?

24:54Well, absolutely, but that's on the presumption, George, that this this prophecy is really a prophecy because, you know, my information was that this was a made up prophecy in order to promote an idea. So I've I've always moved forward from that place because it felt the most accurate to me, which is why I began studying skulls. So one of the things that we have to ask ourselves, I mean, this this this story didn't really become anything until we started this whole again, this quote, unquote, new age, this era of new age belief. Now let's go back to humbats men though, let's go back to my dream and and why it just blew up in my face and I just I had to find out more. So I had this dream and then this man appears who is a real man and he has a real practice and he is a real my own priest. So I go visit him and he tells me what he tells me.

26:00So he has his his own teaching about crystal skulls. So we can't ignore the oral tradition of our indigenous people and that's that I think is what becomes very important. So did the story did the myth persist before or did it did it did it get really pushed forward after this this whole prophecy. The marketing behind the prophecy began like it had to begin somewhere that's that's where I everyone that I know of comes up against silence. Is the Mayan elder humbats men still alive? Excuse me. No, no, he's not. He passed away. Oh gosh, I'm so sorry. I can't remember. I think about 2012. No, he passed away after that. I met him in 2011, 2010.

27:072016 it says. Okay. Yeah, but it's I have been in contact with Patricia and Daniel Cardona and they they carry on his tradition. Well, back to the skulls for a moment. Are you saying that these 13 skull legends are not real? Well, yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying, but that doesn't make it meaningless. I mean, because I guess yes and no, because historical truth and symbolic truth are not identical things. What I'm saying is that we don't have a meaningful historical basis to fall back on. What we have is this this influx of this this supposed prophecy. But with regard to 13 skulls coming together, there's there's nothing there's no real evidence that that is a true indigenous prophecy or story.

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