Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Sep 9 2026

0:00This is an I heart podcast guaranteed human. We got loaded lines 802 22882. Um, I see right now looking at my quad box when I was just on with Harris Faulkner, the lead story on Fox News Travis, hold out Clancy jury is a hero. That's a, I'm fine with that headline. You see your name on the screen. You, you're hoping that the next quote right after it is not going to be claims DUI was unjustified, you know, or, uh, or something negative. Like the juror, he is a hero who wanted to convict Lindsey Clancy. I'm okay with that head. This is a headline clay Travis anti murder and defends children. Yes. That's what I can roll. Place to be. Uh, all right. We got a bunch of calls. I'm going to get to them and talk backs and everything else. But I wanted to hit you with this. I saw this coming down, uh, pull. Should Lindsey Clancy be found guilty by political party?

1:01Now I would like to see it by gender to, um, the cross tabs on gender here. Republicans say by a 61 to 13 margin, Lindsey Clancy should have been found guilty of murder. 61 to 13 with people others, not sure, not following the case. Uh, so 61 13. That's not about right to you, Buck. Uh, 61 13. I mean, that doesn't stand out to me as stunning. Democ. 61 13 and then there was just everyone else had no opinion was the, because I was like to use probably about the, so they don't have only 13% of Republicans thinking that she should have been found now guilty. That's, I would have thought the other number would be a little higher, quite honestly, on the 60 something person. I would have thought it was more like 80, but yes, within the realm for sure. By the way, uh, nationwide 46% guilty, 21% not guilty. So and then again, that would be what the math, a lot of people not necessarily that plugged in would be my guess on having an opinion on this Democrats.

2:0534 to 31 guilty. Nearly 50 50 on is Lindsey Clancy guilty of murder for strangling her children. Why are Democrats the party of psychotic killers? Like if someone's going to defend a psychotic killer, uh, in general and try to, it's always going to be overwhelmingly Democrats who like if there's a monster in our society, if somebody has been possessed by the demonic and done the worst possible thing, you're going to find more Democrats. They're like, he's not that bad where she's not that bad. I think it, I mean, in a dark way, I can give you two hypotheses. One is, um, this is what happens when you don't believe in personal responsibility. It extends across all facets of life. And so you're willing to accept excuses even for the most heinous of, uh, of behaviors. Uh, that's probably the, uh, most likely I think hypothesis for what's going on. The second one is Democrats are willing to, I think, extend empathy.

3:10This is a more favorable, uh, I think explanation to things that are unwilling or unjustifiable for your empathy. In other words, they are such like, uh, they are willing to see, uh, a positive and even the worst thing. And so they will extend their empathy. So I, this is, this goes to the toxic or suicidal empathy concept, uh, which I would say, Clay, um, what you have with a lot of these Democrats is that they, they, as a virtue signal, meaning as a, as an act of personal branding and personal, oh, I'm such a good person idea. They will extend excessive and, uh, and, uh, and performative sympathy, empathy, whatever, to the worst possible people in the worst possible situations, not because they really care about that person and the victims of that person or all the rest of it, but because they consider round with their, uh, with their clatch of fellow, uh,

4:17Lindsey Clancy, juror types and in between knitting and, uh, you know, fashion and wind chimes together are going to sit there and say, Hey, you know what, we're such good people. We even support Lindsey Clancy. I think there's also darker elements of foot here, Buck. One is basically some Democrats have bought into the idea that children are the personal possession of the murder of the mother. Yes. And if she wants to murder them, that's her right. Yes. That's scary. That's dark. Here's another dark thought. I think that, and this is probably going to be one that, that really gets people fired up. I think we have such a medicated society. I think that there are, uh, an evil is so in-demick across much of life. I think there's lots of moms that have thought about killing their kids. And I think one reason they are empathetic for Lindsey Clancy is because they think in the back of their mind,

5:19but for something that could have been me. I think a lot of men find that very difficult to even comprehend. You're a new dad, Buck. At no point in my life have I ever thought anything like that as a father. And so I mean, I think all the time as every parent does about people doing things to my children. Now, that doesn't mean I haven't gotten frustrated and been like, oh my goodness, you, you know, morons. I can't believe you just did this. What are you thinking? Like the normal parts of being a parent? I think every parent has experience. I see this Lindsey Clancy case. And I think on some level, how many of these women that are showing up to cheer her have all, I mean, we talked about this a little bit, but I would echo it. If my son were dating a girl who was a super Lindsey Clancy supporter, I would say, I'm gonna break up with her. Yeah, I would agree with you. And I'm not somebody that does the, you know, separate people by their views and realistically pick, uh, based on some kind of a litmus test.

6:20I do think you want shared value. So there is, there, you know, it's usually, I would say, not on one specific thing, but on values you do have to have a line that kind of a group AOC on that actually, on values when it comes to dating, you have to have alignment. She said she would not date a conservative. What you just said, by the way, about the opinion of women is the, that is, or, you know, that a lot of women have, that may be the single darkest and bleakest thing that we've ever considered on the show. I mean, it is dark, but I just look at it. I mean, most people who have empathy, usually the reason why there is an empathy that is allowed to be in some way, uh, you know, captivated or taken and captured is because there is some centilla of your brain that has felt an emotion or an experience that is similar to what that. Well, this is where the solidarity thing starts to creep up. And you say that there are a lot of these women who keep saying, you don't understand postpartum. And this, you don't understand. And this is why I brought up the PTSD issue for, because guess what, ladies, you don't understand

7:22what it is to be in combat and see people blown apart in front of you who were your, your closest friends in the whole world. And, you know, and yet you can sit on a jury of somebody, well, it depends, that they're under UCMJ. You'd have to be in the military, but the point is, no one says you're not allowed to have an opinion about what some, by the way, they wouldn't be under UCMJ if they came back with PTSD and their civilian. They would just be a civilian. So no one would say to them, you can't have an opinion on what a veteran, and there have been these cases to be clear. They're rare, but there have been cases where a veteran has gone into basically a PTSD, and dose induced psychosis. And they go to prison and we're going to execute it generally. If anything, it can be used as a mitigating. Now, a mitigating factor in sentencing is different than you're not guilty. It's not your fault. You didn't do a bad thing here. It's we're not going to punish you as severely because you weren't as guilty. This gets into your whole men's ray of concept or anything else. But can I just add one thing that's less bleak? Just I just want to say this, you're a dad, you're a dad of three boys. You know, I I'm a dad of one boy, and I, you know, we're hoping to have more boys or girls.

8:26And I would just say, I would like to think, Clay, that under fire, I would give my life for for a fellow soldier, if I, and I've never served in the military. Yes. CIA took some minimal risks and wore minimal risks and war zones for the CIA. I don't ever pretend like it was more than that. But I tried to serve in the way that I could. I'd like to think that I would step up for a fellow soldier. I'd like, I'd like, well, I would like to believe that. I mean, I would say I would, but you don't know until you're in that moment. Would you do it? I would feel also like I would step up if there were an active shooter situation. I can see a carousel in times of Miami. I'm handy with a pistol. I've trained a lot now. I'd like to think that I would step up and put myself in harm's way to save other people. I have zero data in my mind that I would give my life to protect my son. It's not a brag. It's not, it's not boasting. All the dads listening, you know, exactly what I'm talking about. I would give my life to protect my son without maybe just automatically. And I can't say the other things are automatic. I'd like to

9:28think that I would step up, but, you know, you don't know, Courage, but it's different. As a dad, I would do it instantaneously, nothing twice. And you know, I know you feel the same way. Yeah, 100% and I think that's why so many men just look at this and say, I can't believe this is the mirror that we are seeing of what women think. I would like to say I gave you the Republican Democrat breakdown on Lindsey Clancy. I'd like to see the men women because I think men, it would be 95% guilty. I think women, it's like 50, 50. And that's dark because based on these numbers, let me also tell you something else, everybody out there says, you don't know what it's like the woman that sent me the angry email after the Fox News hit. You don't know what it's like to be a woman. You don't, it's all true. The entire basis of having a jury of your peers is that you don't have to be the exact same as the person to understand what justice is. The entire reason why lady justice is blind and has the scales of justice is because you're supposed to be able

10:31to render justice without looking at who the individual is and seeing him or her as a reflection of you. That's not justice. That's just you choosing to treat someone differently based on your own life experience, which is actually the opposite of what justice should be. So everybody out there who's trying to argue, oh, you get men can't even make a decision. Here's the concern and we'll get some of these calls here. My concern, Buck is I don't think there's a jury in Massachusetts that can convicted this woman because I don't think there's a jury of women that will convict her in Massachusetts. I think you could convict her in Alabama. I think you couldn't Victor in Tennessee, Florida, Texas, Utah. I think there's lots of places out there, red states where you would get a conviction. I'm not sure you could convict her anywhere in a blue state in America right now. And I'll say something. I gotta tell you something and just to draw a political inference out of this. I know people say, oh, it's a million miles away in terms of politics and when it's going to

11:35happen, everything else. There's may make people think a little bit differently and I mean Democrats may think a little bit differently about having a woman at the top of the ticket. This is my wife's argument, Buck. I didn't really think about it till she started making the argument. My sons looking at the the TikToks defending Lindsey Clancy for the younger people out there. This is the worst look I think possible for women from a male perspective looking at women. And those jurors, I mean, they look exactly like what you and I if we sketched out what the jurors would look like who do not want to have Lindsey Clancy held accountable. It would be a bunch of postman appausal left wing women. That's what it was. At least that's who speak in so far and they sound just like what you would expect. And they are the they are the indoctrinated ultra feminists generation that believe these lies made terrible choices for themselves. Yes, I'm generalizing,

12:37but these generalizations exist for a reason. And now they want to see that ideology in some way. Vindicated. And that's this the only way that I can. Anyway, we'll take your calls on this and we had somebody who was a guy who actually wanted to call on and disagree with us and said it was a medical professional. So please call back. We would like to have that conversation. We've only had women disagreeing with our, by the way, a lot of women agree with us to be clear. I would say in our audience, what do you think is the female agreement with the line that you and I share on this? I would say 60 40 in our favor. I was going to say 75 25. I think in this audience, and this audience is what 75% male. It's like 100% male agreement. And I would say probably 75 25 women. And you may be right. It may be closer to 60 40. But let's let's take any of the if you're a guy who wants to disagree with us, please, please call in. You can hand in your man card as soon as producer Greg picks up the phone. All right, every scam call, every scam text, every sketchy email with your name attached. Each one starts with the same way somebody found you. Your phone number

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14:43Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the IHRT radio app. Wherever you get your podcasts. All right second hour play and buck kicks off now. Thanks for being here with us. Everybody and you know we talked for a hour about the Lindsey Clancy jurors who have come out. We'll continue to take calls and talk facts on that as we go through the show. But I didn't want to do Clay and I didn't want to do three hours today of really running through the same conversation. We did a lot of it yesterday. So with that in mind I would say we should talk about some of the other big things happening in the news too. One we'll get the audio of this. It seems it seems that our friends Ted Cruz may have just made a appearance on the view which brings up a lot of things. First of all a little bit of FOMO because Clay and Buck haven't been on the view yet and we have generously offered. We will go together. We will go separately whatever but we want to go to the view at some point and talk to those ladies and just help help them understand. Ladies of the view help us

15:50help you. That's what we're really offering here. Jeremy Guire also holds up. It's a great movie. I would say you like I know you're Jeremy Guire guy. You do. It's a great movie. Great movie. Great. He holds up. But Ted Cruz has been on the view. Something else though that is on our radar. We've got those midterm elections that's going to be heating up day by day as we get closer to it. Some interesting updates on Trump's pack spending and where that's going and a lot of money now going to be super charging the media buys but something I want to talk to the client I want to talk to you about this. As you know, we are on the AI revolution wave right now. It's like we're all on the surfboard. The wave is going. It hasn't crested yet and we don't know when it's going to, if it's going to crash down or if it's going to be a nice smooth ride. But we do know that it's happening right now. Optimus robots for those of you who haven't seen you can go check out videos

16:51of these things. They are a bit like what you would think the Jetsons robots would be like in real life. They can fold laundry. They can do household tasks. The first Optimus Gen 3 robots are they're going to be taking orders for them in the or public sales will begin the second half of next year. It's a conditional timeline. But that's what they think. Not that far off from you having a robot doing chores in your home. If you want one and you have like 30 grand as I think what they're going to cost something like that. They're going to be a little pricey to start. But then there's also this other thing that is happening in the background with you've got robotics. Yes, you've also got the AI race which brings in the data centers for sure. The data centers conversation which we've had here on the show. But just AI philosophically as a technology artificial intelligence and Clay, let's dive into this together. You keep seeing this from people at these companies. This is not the first time. It is the warning of impending doom from AI. Call it the SkyNet effect.

17:58You all remember SkyNet from the Terminator series. That's the cybernetic or the cyber intelligence that becomes self-aware and starts a war, a nuclear war with Russia. And then it kills all of us too. And then people are fighting in like a post-apocalyptic future. Jacob Coxen wrote this on X. And Clay, I'm just going to do a few. It's very long, but I'll do a couple of these. And then I want you to tell me if you buy into this. Is this something that you're worried about? Sky, he's a senior guy at Anthropic. He wrote, I resigned from Anthropic today. I spent the last three years doing pre-training research at both Open AI and Anthropic. Neither company is acting responsibly. They are racing straight to self-improving super intelligence and gambling with our lives. More thoughts below. By the way, this has 94 million views on X. So far.

18:59Just say, well, a lot of what are people paying attention to this? Yes, yes, they are. Do not underestimate, he writes, the power of this technology. These will soon be superhuman systems that can hack anything, revolutionize any field overnight, and acquire real power and resources. We have all witnessed the progress in each of these domains and progress is not slowing. The people building AI earnestly believe that it could kill us all by the end of the decade. This is not a marketing stunt. If anything, many executives and senior researchers will couch their phrasing in the press to sound sensible. But I hear the same people express fear privately. No other human activity poses this level of danger. Clay, make it make sense. My 18 year old says that you and I should be talking way more about AI because he agrees with everything that that anthropic employee just said. He has been

20:05regularly. I think the phrase, haranging his mom and me on this regularly. And what he is focused on is the idea that when AI becomes able to self replicate. In other words, when it reaches post-human knowledge and is able to iterate itself, that it is going to, and this is something that they think is going to happen in the next year or two based on the progress, that it then will spiral out of control and we will not be able to have any control over it. And you pointed out an interesting story that happened that he was talking about quite a lot, which is already in war. Russia has trained autonomous drones to basically attack fuel depots. And the concept behind that is they can send all the imagery of what a fuel depot looks like. And then they just send the drones out.

21:07And the drone knows it has been trained when you see a fuel depot blow it up. Three humans in Ukraine died in an autonomous drone attack. The key thing is there's no human in the kill chain. They call it. There's no human being standing over a button going, oh wait, it's about to hit a little lady in kids, abort the mission. It just is completely self driven and it goes through the kill chain autonomously. You could theoretically tell an AI drone today, I think basically, hey, go kill every deer in a county. And the drones would just fly everywhere. And when they saw a deer, they could recognize it. They would immediately kill it. When I saw the autonomous drone story, my first thought was, well, you could clearly train drones to just go kill any human without any interaction with a human at all. If you see a human age, whether they're combatants or not, they could do facial recognition. They could do it based on the they could they could send a drone out and say, here are the parameters

22:09of where we think you'll find this person roughly. Loiter in the sky now. Obviously, there's like loitering time and there's factors that will come in. But theoretically, they could send it to an area, let's say, of a city clay or area or a town in eastern Ukraine and say, when you see olegs, so and so, here's his facial facial recognition, blow them up. They could do that. So my question is, and this is for we've talked a lot about data centers, energy, everything else. Is it possible for AI to iterate to a degree where it provides its own power? That's the question I have. So this is where I because I've had this debate with my son and he is, he came in, I don't know, sixth in the nation in high school debate. So he's pretty good at debating. And my question, and I'm curious how many people out there that are super smart on this, because in other words, my response on, well, SkyNets eventually going to kill us all is running data on AI is incredibly

23:15cost intensive. And it requires a great deal of energy. We all know that we've been talking about it immensely. And this is what I call it, compute. It is your compute power. This is now the the word that everyone is using. So if humans decided that we wanted to shut AI off, is AI able to harness energy, which is expensive, such that it could maintain its own self. And as AI grows in complexity, the amount of compute power that it compute power that it requires to execute everything becomes more and more significant. And it's possible. Buck, here's one answer. It's possible that AI is so much smarter than we are that it's going to unlock ways to harness energy that we can even comprehend, right? Instead of oil and gas, there's a solar capability. That's my question, which goes to how scared we should be to what extent can AI self perpetuate

24:15and power itself going forward if humans one day decided, you know what? This AI's gotten pretty scary. Well, this is the sky net problem. This is the sky net paradox from the Terminator series, which is in retrospect now even more brilliant than people I think realize at the time. It was very successful, which is that they tried to, the phrase was pull the plug on sky net. And then it launched nuclear missiles because we had autonomous AI basically defense. It's like the Pentagon was running by a computer program. We launched missiles at Russia. Russia missiles come back and you have a nuclear nuclear, you know, Holocaust as a result. I'm not, I'm not nearly as concerned about this stuff as these people who are doing the AI research. And I know that's a little bit like saying, I'm not worried about this surgery no matter what the surgeons say. But I want to, I can, I can give you some reasons for that before I do that though. And I'm coming at it with a self deprecating understanding that like, you know, I'm not a surgeon. So, but I do know if a surgeon's lying to me. That's important. Jacob here is correct. Evan here, here's a guy that responded

25:20at other tweet. He's alignment science lead of anthropic AI. Anthropic is one of these top AI companies right now. These companies are worth so much money that it's, you can't even, I mean, they're putting valuations on them. But these companies are going to be the most valuable companies. Really, I think ever. But this guy who's the lead at anthropic AI on this writes Jacob, the guy who said it could kill us all is correct here. We really do earnestly believe AI could kill all humans. I personally think it is a greater than 10% chance within the next decade. I believe anthropic is trying its best. But we do not yet have a plan to solve alignment for super intelligence and are not clearly on track to 28 million views on that I might add. So, all these are ultra valuable was very, it did. I'd be distributed. This is probably the biggest thread on the internet right now on X certainly today and maybe for quite some time. Clay, I just think

26:23that there's always concerns with technology. There are even concerns about the internet. There were concerns about why it's UK people. The the humorism. There were concerns about nuclear nuclear vision, right? Which I think is very valid to think, oh my gosh, if we can split the atom, what's going to happen? And we did have we dropped two nuclear bombs as we all know. But the world didn't end and we didn't go into nuclear holocaust and I just think that we will adapt the world is going to change the world that we all live in. I don't mean your kids, your grandkids world, the world that we live in is going to change very rapidly. There will be some what's the I'm trying to think of something that's not absurdly euphemistic like growing pains is too euphemistic. There will be some challenges from this for sure. But the notion of humanity becoming extinct because of something that we have created this deus ex machina mass extinction Thanos moment. I just don't think I

27:24just think that this is a lot of people know that this is an incredible way to get attention. And if you're some nerds, he's been working on AI models for the last three years and you want to become super famous overnight, it's easy to be like it's going to kill us all maybe. Okay, I would also add if we don't do it, China will. So for everybody out there who's saying, boy, this feels like a risk, right? If you knew there's a 10% chance of humanity ending if it's if it's calculus was correct, you might say, and that's a little bit too much of a risk, I think, compared to the reward that we might get from AI. The problem I think we've got is China's not going to stop. So really, I think the one way we have to think about it is you talked about this. AI is basically our military. Yes. So would we allow China to accelerate military technology? And we just say, no, we're good sticking with what we have now. I think the answer is clearly no. I don't think anyone out

28:25there would say that's a decision we should make. And so I don't think we have a real choice here. Right now, one of the things that always happens is when somebody gets a big competitive advantage, they often then beg for regulation because it means that others are not going to be able to catch up with them. So you have a trillion dollar company, a part of me wonders whether the anthropics of the world and the open AIs and all these other different AI companies, part of the humorism is, oh, we need the government to get involved because when the government get involves, you stifle innovation and basically in many ways, freeze the competitive situation so that the people who are in a competitive advantage are able to stay there. Some of you probably are experts in AI. I think this is a far more interesting discussion than what do you think about data centers? Where is AI taking us to me is the conversation that should be happening? Not, oh, my goodness, can you believe

29:32they're building another data center? Because the data center is less of a existential threat, obviously, than the AI in game. My quick analogy on this also is our enemies, notably the Soviet Union, exploited fears over nuclear civilian and nuclear weapons to try to get a competitive military advantage over us and we're successful in doing so. And our nuclear technology is far less advanced than it would have been. Had we, and I mean for nuclear energy, which we would have think about all this stuff with climate change and CO2 and all this we could have skipped over if we had aggressively allowed nuclear, aggressively pursued nuclear energy in the way that would have made sense. Instead, we have hobbled ourselves because of fear and I don't want us to do that on AI. I think that's a good argument too. And it's happening quick. So I'm curious, 800-282-288-2 if we have any experts in AI. I'm not just talking about philosophers. I'm talking about people actually

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32:45by the way? Wouldn't that be nice? Think about all the time you spend just going through finding this paperwork, things like that. I think it's going to be enormously beneficial. That all said, there's going to also be some dislocations and some problems and it's going to be used. It's a very powerful tool to be used in good ways and bad ways. But I think that the people who do this thing of, I'm worried, oh, I'm an AI researcher and here's my thread on how it's going to kill us all maybe. Notice how it's always like, when you ask them percentage, 10%, 5%, 1%, okay, well, so what do we do with that? What are we supposed to do with? There's a 10% chance that this kills all of us. Does that mean we stop AI research? They'll say, oh, we need to have more governors if you will or I don't mean that. I mean, that in like the isn't it a governor with that? Yeah, governors on a card of like card exactly. Yeah, that's what I mean. We need more governors on AI. We need more guardrails put in. You know what? It's really going to be a mess. If you decide that you're going to

33:46have Chuck Schumer in charge of AI legislation or something like that. Okay, they're all only going to the whole thing. We've seen this with the internet already. The whole thing becomes a giant mess. The second, the people who have no understanding of this whatsoever are coming up with kind of willy nilly regulation, which is going to be based on what the donors want them to do anyway. And there's going to be a lot of backroom dealing. So my thing on this is we'll be fine. It's going to be overall, I think, a positive. And I also think that China really hopes that we act like we're scared of our shadow on this one. Bernie Sanders has called for the government to shut down all AI. So if you're out there and you're just not an AI person, I think it's worth asking how often is Bernie Sanders been right in his political career about anything? So the fact that he has come out and said the government should insist that AI stop. He means our government. China's

34:48not going to stop. I imagine. Sorry. Yeah, no, I was just going to say, Buck, so imagine if, you know, it taken away from AI and just say, imagine if we said, Hey, our military is strong enough as it is, we're not going to continue to evolve at all in the military. That would be a point of lunacy. That is, I think, what would rapidly happen is the caller. We got a couple more callers here who I think went away in. It's not a situation where we can just say, Hey, okay, we're going to stop doing this. Whoever gets to generative AI and that's basically AI that can run itself and self perpetuate is going to control the world. Yes. And to the point, if they don't teach us in school at all, so some for a lot of people, even if you're a history person, you really love history, you may not know this, but the Soviets ran a long running, what they call the KGB called active campaign. So that's sabotage propaganda assassination things like that, all fond of active

35:50measures. They had an active measures campaign to hinder US civilian nuclear energy by playing on Western fears, funding and steering, overlapping peace slash environmental groups, and turning any accident into an indictment of all nuclear power while building a large nuclear sector clay. Is that that's the key part here, everybody? The Soviets in our country, oh, nuclear, and they would wear, and you're like, Oh, how will they do? They had organizations like the World Peace Council, the US peace council, the National Council of American Soviet friendship, Communist Party USA, and then all kinds of journalists and individuals and plants all over America for decades to make everyone think, if there's a nuclear plant, three miles from me, my kids are going to have three heads, you know, this was the whole, oh, we're all going to die in some conflagration while the Soviets, now they messed up with Chernobyl obviously, while the Soviets were building nuclear plants as fast as they possibly could. See, it's the same, doesn't I'm saying we have seen this before everybody,

36:51and I know right now there's this thing of like, oh, people on the right are just, they're just taking really, Klan, I were the guys who weren't listening to anybody among others, but weren't listening to anybody about COVID, the science, the shots, the masks, all that stuff, but we're now taking orders on China is an AI threat, I mean, give me a break, like this is, this is very obvious, if you think it through, Tracy works in AI and he wants to talk to us, Tracy's a guy, Tracy, what's up? Hey, what's going on guys, I watch all or listen, every day, sometimes I watch on YouTube, I just have been losing my mind because I know for a fact, in my lab, I code Baron Metal as they call it, on a Google server, I build live and the first thing I do is lock down the log in so that all your equipment can't be hacked or stolen, your API keys can't be stolen, but I'm here to tell you to make an AI do what they say it's done, like hacking, hugging face, and you can confirm this is what they did, they turn off the safeties, then they give it a live

37:56internet access, so there's something to hack, and they want to scare us so they can say, we're the only ones who know how to really regulate this, and we let big AI regulate it, you won't have to worry about censorship, they had the ultimate in censorship at that point. So what I agree with in, by the way, I think they're playing us for fools and they actually want more power. I presume that you are optimistic, give us an in your mind and optimistic vision, if you were calling back in in five years, right? So you're calling back in in 2031, what do you expect AI to have done, what will it look like for the average person out there, how will their life be different? I've spent a lot of time worrying over that, it's one of two visions, if we allow the government and big AI to regulate AI so that we can never have uncensored AI with filters on it, telling us what

38:58we can know and what we can think. Then we will take the biggest tool for disconstructing government bravo sierre that's ever been put in the hands of free people, and giving it to them, and we will never be able to, when they do these document dumps of a million documents, we now have something that if you have a hardest that tells it, only give me output that's verified by fact, you just filtered out all of their propaganda, you have solved the problem of the information age, too much noise, not enough signal, but not if we let them regulate it to where guys like me can't build platforms that will tell you the truth ever, it will only tell you what big AI says, and the filters let through, and that is the danger. Now the other side is we win, and AI is a free market, and guys like me get to keep building, the big guys have to serve the customer, but if they get to lock us all in like they do with their software, oh my, good lord. Thank you for the call, but what I would say too is this is so important for AI.

40:02I'm with them by the way, just as a great call, go ahead. Where AI is getting its information, you and I use GROC. Elon Musk has said that GROC's goal is to be maximally truth-seeking, where the input is coming in for AI, when they're using Reddit forums, and when they are scanning for as much information as they are, the output is only as good as the input. And so I'll use as an example that isn't very significant, Open AI, when you asked Open AI initially, who would win a high school boys team or a WNBA champion, that Open AI said the WNBA team would win, because I bet it's been coded to believe in Girlpower Yay, we're not going to be sexist. GROC said, oh, the high school boys teams likely to win by 30 or 40. After Open AI got ridiculed, they went back in and they changed the answer, and now Open AI says a high school boys team is likely to win, but it's only as good as the parameters that are put

41:05in place. And so if you have restrictive parameters, the information that you're going to be able to get out of it is going to be less effective. I just say I've replaced, which I thought one would this ever happen, Clay? I've replaced Google it with GROC it. I agree. I go to GROC as my first line of search engine, because I don't want to be served a whole bunch of ads, and then I don't want the Google teams, you know, secret algorithm propaganda. And I know I want an answer from something that I trust and people might say, oh, but now you're trusting GROC, I trust GROC more than Google, yes, yes, I do. I trust Elon's company and what its mission is more than I trust, whatever they're doing over at Alphabet, which is Google's parent company. So, Jarelin in California. Before in Los Angeles, I am a software developer, and I don't work on AI directly myself. I'm not a machine learning expert or anything like that, but I do use it in my work. I have a little story

42:08for you. When my dad was in college in the 70s, his school counselors told him and all of his class mates that if they wanted a career that was future proof, they should become punch card operators, because of that 10 computers were running on punch cards, and computers were obviously the wave of the future, and they thought that that would be a secure career. And then fast forward, you know, 50 years, about 15 years ago, I was learning to become a software developer, and I thought my career future proof, unlike my dad's punch cards of the 70s, because everybody's going to need a website, everyone's going to need software. There's no way that this career is going anywhere anytime soon, and you know, it's now 10 years later, and AI has basically taken away my job, not entirely, but there's a lot of hiring managers out there who would prioritize AI over hiring a junior software developer, because they think that it's cheaper and more efficient. You're bringing up an excellent point, can I just say, that it had been a decade ago, the snide phrase of the left, remember this,

43:11was learn to code for people who, you know, have a trade, you know, work with their hands, it's learn to code, like that was the answer. Well, now coding is doing the coding, and people that can do electrical wiring or build something that people need, or, you know, advance carpentry and plumbing, they're in demand, and software engineers, the software is doing the engineering. Geraldine, what do you think about AI? So here's the thing, AI, as it is developed right now, does not think, and Clay, you were just talking about it. I think you and Buck have a pretty good grasp of how it works, but I think the, especially, well, I think the general population has not have a good idea of how it works, and especially the, the scare mongers out there don't. It does not think. The best it can do is look at proximity of words that other people have thought of, and then generate answers based on percentages, which is why AI hallucinate. So I also use AI instead of Google now a lot to ask it, just like general knowledge questions, and a lot of the time it's

44:14going to know, but a lot of the time it's also wrong, and I have to push back and say, no, you hallucinated that, and then it will admit that it made it up, because it's just looking at patterns and saying, well, this is the most likely answer based on the patterns of language that I've seen other people like that I'm seeing in the internet, or from my training data, but all of that training data and everything is reading off the internet was made by a human at some point. The point at which AI is going to get dangerous, if it ever gets to that point, is, is when it can genuinely be creative, when it can think of things without having to look at patterns that humans have produced first. And I do this as kind of parallel to like the airlick scare of the 19 of the 60s, the population bomb idea of, you know, airlick said that we were all the world was going to starve to death in 30 years because the population was growing, but he failed to take into account

45:16improved agricultural methods. AI, it could go either way. I think we're sitting on the cusp, it could either become incredibly dangerous, just like everyone is predicting, it could, maybe we will be able to teach it to learn to teach it to say actually think, and then we'll be living in the iRobot future where the silons are going to take over, and we all have to bow to our robot overlords and or things of a way to outthink it just like, you know, how in, and I'm quoting all of these sci-fi movies and books because as Shelley said, Poethor the legislature, the unacknowledged legislatures of legislators of the world, I think science fiction writers are pointing us in the right direction. There was already an Isaac Apama, aasama story called The Gods themselves, the premise of which was that we live in a not too distant future where all of our energy needs are taking care of by siphoning it from a different, from a parallel universe, and this allowed

46:18us to live in perfect luxury because that energy in his economy was the stopping point, right? So we had enough energy to like power AI, power robots, and then we live lives of luxury because we had machines to do everything for. I don't know if the problem is going to be energy, I don't know if the problem is going to be, we won't actually ever be able to train AI the way we're hoping to to think for itself. I don't know, you know, what the issue is going to be, or maybe none of that will be an issue. We're standing on the cusp right now and it could be either AI does become so powerful and takes over, or maybe this will be like the Y2K scare and it turns out to be a big nothing burger in 10 years and we're all like, well what were we so afraid of? But we won't know until 10 years from now and that's only if we keep developing AI and you guys are spot on. Thank you for the call, Geraldine. I think the most interesting aspect of all of this is energy. Energy energy energy. Can we unlock energy that is far cheaper than what we have so far? Can

47:25AI help us do it? And what will power the AI revolution? To me, it all boils down to energy at its baseline level. Look, I yesterday I was in Washington, DC. I met with Frank Siller. I met with Larry, the top ad buyer there. I met with Frank Siller's family, Rachel Compost, Duffy, was there interviewing him about his brand new book. We were at the Hayes Adam hotel. Overlooking the White House, Frank was with the president yesterday at the White House. It is a somber week. Friday will be 25 years since the September 11, 2001 terror attacks. As the audience knows, Frank started tunneled the towers to honor his brother, Stephen, one of the 343 firefighters who died on 911. Stephen's son, Stephen Siller, Jr. was just nine months old when he lost his dad. He spent the last four months bringing a 16,900 pound still beam from the World Trade Center to dozens of cities across the US in the tunneled tower,

48:29steel across America tour. Yesterday, that beam was in DC, president, Trump there for a special ceremony. The tunnel, the tower, steel across America tour concludes in New York City at ground zero on Friday, September 11. The tunnel, the towers foundation is hoping that seeing a piece of history up close will help Americans remember, learn and never forget to support tunneled towers like both Buck and I do join us in donating $11 a month at t2t.org. Help America to never forget. Additionally, you can make a meaningful impact by donating car or land as well. That's tthenumber2t.org. Welcome back in, our number three clay and buck appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We have had a ton of reaction pouring in as the Lindsey Clancy jurors have all spoken. It's not going to

49:34surprise you. We've got some takes from the view that are very supportive of Lindsey Clancy. We've got two different new polls that have come out both in Michigan and in Maine both showing the Democrat in the lead. Abdul Al-Sayed up three in the CNN poll and up three Troy Jackson is in the main poll. Take those polls for whatever you want to in terms of the value associated with them. President Trump, as we speak right now, is headed to Dallas for the midterm convention, which has never occurred before both Wednesday and Thursday taking place in Dallas. Tomorrow I will spend the day in Dallas. I'm running around buckle. Have you so low? I'm going to be doing some work there going in and out in Dallas in the same day. We're going to get to a bunch of your talkbacks. We're

50:35going to get to a bunch of your calls, but I would just say this off the top. I wish they had to ask me when they should schedule the midterm convention. Tonight is the NFL kickoff game. There will be 30 million plus Americans, including me, who will be watching as the Seahawks, the defending Super Bowl champions are taking on the New England Patriots. One of the most iconic certainly of the 21st century franchises in the NFL. I can't imagine why it makes sense to have President Trump going head to head with the NFL. And it's not just Wednesday, but on Thursday, the NFL will also have a big game taking place from Australia. The Rams, who are the pre-season Super Bowl favorite will be playing the 49ers. Can I just jump in really quickly? Because I have a

51:36very strong who are you who are you taking 3.5 points spread with the New England the Seahawks? Well, with hard rock dot bet slash clay, I am taking the Seahawks minus 3.5, although buck based on how my picks went for opening weekend of college football, you could do much worse than just saying I'll take the exact opposite of what Clay just took. Well, I'm going to say I'm going on a hard rock to place my bet on the stout New England Patriots. So there's plus 3.5, which means you get over a fuel goal. Buck, who made this decision? They could have waited till next week and they could have said, Hey, we're going to do the midterm convention on Tuesday and Wednesday of next week. There's no NFL competition. There's no overlap at all. If you're trying to cut through the noise and if you are trying to in some way talk to young men, they're all going to be watching the NFL. I don't understand why you would decide you can look at the calendar. I

52:40would love for someone to tell me why they decided to go head to head with the NFL on both nights. Trump is going to get crushed by NFL viewership. And even if you say, well, the important thing is to just kind of cut through that you're not going to cut through the noise. Whatever happens in those games is going to be the primary conversation that most young men, most men period are going to be talking about. Why did they do this? They could have gone next week, Tuesday, Wednesday. There's no football overlap. By the way, in Texas, probably the most football crazed market on the planet. I do you have any idea? I mean, I think we got a talk back on this because I was thinking like me talk back a Hey guys, Tom from Louisville tonight and tomorrow night, we have yet another example of how pathetic and stupid our Republican party is having this convention opposite opening games of the NFL season. How brilliant they are. They just continue to shoot themselves in the foot and ruin

53:44everything that Trump is trying to do. Thank you, our Republican party. But I think that everybody deserves this because if Trump had said I want to do this on the moon, they would have put him on an airplane and sent him to space to try to do it, right? So the Trump team agreed to this timing. Now, maybe there's something to do with American Airlines arena was already scheduled on other days. And they ended up with only having these options. I'm sure there were some scheduling logistical decisions that were made, but I just got to tell you it does not make sense to me the way that this is structured at all. I mean, does it make sense to you? Do you get it? No. I don't have some answer to why they would want to ignore. I mean, I did not know about the football game until you mentioned it. So that tells you where I am on these things. But I know enough to know I wouldn't want to put like the Clay and Bucket Stravaganza up against the first football game of the season.

54:47So that's I don't get it. I don't know. I mean, I do a sports YouTube show. I never go head to head with actual games because the actual games are the things that everybody is watching. You don't go head to head with actual games. So if somebody has an idea of how this was able to happen, I'm surprised it hasn't been a bigger discussion point. It's evident for some time what day the NFL was going to kick off, but nobody competes with the NFL. Everybody just gets out of the NFL's way because it's the ultimate steam roller of all other content. And so I get it that the people who are die hard, political, officianados may well be paying attention and watching multiple hours of this. But your goal was not to get die hard, political, officianados. It's particularly in states like Texas to make sure that people realize how radical James Tallerico is. And my concern is that a lot

55:50of those men that could be reached and a lot of women too are going to be doing what I'm doing. And that is putting the football game on and watching it and paying way more attention to it than anything that happens tonight or tomorrow. Well, also, I think that particularly you don't have this isn't a presidential election year. And you don't have Trump on the ballot. And this is going to be about those key individuals stayed in and congressional race, statewide for Senate and congressional races that are happening in the places that we're all watching. Meaning the focus should be on that. I don't really understand the point of a, I mean, I understand the point as in what they think it's doing. I think there's a reason this hasn't been done before. And I think they may be reminded of that in the aftermath of doing this is my sense. But I could be wrong. It's rare, but I could be wrong on this one. And we'll see. Um, and we will see indeed. All right, Alex has been waiting for a while. By the way, you guys can weigh in if you think that I'm wrong on this, but 800 to a two to a day two,

56:55Alex in Arizona, what you got for us? Hi there, Clayton Buck. First of all, I'm a long time listener, I've listened to Rush for many years prior to that. And very conservative person. So I come out from that standpoint, but I also come out of having a wife. I was very normal, very healthy, no mental illness, prior to having kids. And after our kids were born, she suffered from many things, including five years of literal health, of delusions and psychosis. And lots of doctor visits and lots of all kinds of things happening that I don't need to go into. So you wouldn't, based on your experience, if you had been on the jury, you would have found Lindsey Clancy not guilty. Well, I'm just going to say this. Number one, I'm not a lawyer. But I do, I do think my, my opinion, she is guilty, but she, and she needs to be in a mental institution. I don't know if they're not guilty. I don't know enough about the not guilty. So let me explain,

58:01what, let me explain it. If she is found not guilty by reason of insanity, then she goes into a mental health hospital. And whenever they deem her saying she can leave free and clear. So if, and that could happen as quickly as 40 days, now when exactly medical professionals would say, hey, she is no longer insane. We have been able to treat her and she is now sane and able to exit this mental hospital. She would then go back out into the quote unquote real world and would be totally free. So she could be in the mental hospital for as few as 40 days and then go back out. And I disagree with that as well. So I don't know the, I don't know the right answer. Lee Lee, although one thing I do want to talk about is if she didn't kill her kids and nobody has expressed this, what was her, for reason of insanity, what was her motivation for killing her

59:05kids? But she wanted a better life, which she's tired of being a mom. None of that's been expressed so I think you have to answer the question without insanity. What, why did she kill her kids? Thank you for the call. To me, this is entirely the wrong debate. And that's why I have said, and I hope some states are going to do this. State legislatures need to look at why we allow insanity defenses when children are murdered. To me, that's the real question here because we know she killed them. There is no dispute on that. There, there shouldn't be a defense of, oh, I wasn't, like you did it. Those kids are gone forever. Should there be consequences when children are murdered for any reason, whatsoever? My answer is yes. And I don't particularly care. And I think for sure most men are with me on this, what the motivations are. But it's a good question, Buck. I mean,

1:00:09from a philosophical level or just a larger societal discussion perspective, what percentage of murderers are mentally ill in some way? I would submit vast majority are mentally ill. Well, certainly in people who kill their own family members. Yeah. I mean, look, most murders in this country involve, as I understand it, I mean, I'm going a little bit on the fly here with the statistics, but usually it involves drugs and crime, basically, meaning that people are shooting each other over drug turf. And there's a huge number. If you're looking for one category of what are most of the homicides, for example, in Chicago, it's gang members shooting each other. That's that's that's the or or shooting somebody in the course of a crime, but it's criminal homicide versus a family murdering a family member out of some situation like this. Fortunately, that's that's rare. But I still sit here and I go back to what I mentioned with psychiatrists for

1:01:13a long time now, struggling with the existence of evil in psychiatry as a field because that feels very almost religious as an answer, but that is what they are left with with some of the patients they deal with. It is not about some extreme abuse they suffered as a child. It is not about hearing voices or paranoid delusions or whatever. People just can choose evil too. That is a thing. And you can and now there's a whole question is the why would anyone do that? And that even feels like you're getting more religious in your leaning, you know, why would why do good and evil exist? And you get a bit existential here, but this is a real thing. It has existed for a not just evil good and evil, but I mean that people in the field of forensic psychiatry will say this is just who some people are. They want to do this. And you're not left with a better answer than that that they have chosen evil. So I think that is something that the caller, by the way, I think asks very valid, very good questions, but I think sometimes that is the answer.

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