The Karol Markowicz: Seth Dillon on The Babylon Bee, Elon Musk, Free Speech and the Future of AI

0:00This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Why are you dealing with listening to Armstrong and getting on demand? We're not boring. Lot of news is boring. And tedious. And depressing. And makes you angry. You don't want to live your life like that. Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty. We're Armstrong and Getty. We try to bring you the truth and help you figure out this crazy modern world. How about something about a comedic tone? What? We have a winner? Yes. Listen to Armstrong and Getty on demand on the I Heart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marco Wood show on I Heart Radio. My guest today is Seth Dylan, CEO of the Babylon B. Hi Seth, so nice to have you on. Hey Carol, good to see you. How did you start Babylon B? Are you sitting around being like, I'm funny, I'm Christian. I should have a funny Christian site. Actually, well, there's there's a lot of misinformation floating around out there about who started the Babylon B.

1:07I often get credited as co-founder or founder of the Babylon B. I'm not, I wish I was. I wish it had been my idea. I had to clear that up. You know, yeah, yeah, you bought into fake news. Now, the story of the B started with this guy Adam Ford. He had a very close friend of mine. He had been running a comic page on Facebook called Adam Ford Comics. And they were like funny Christian comics. So it was stuff about church and culture. And he was doing the art and the captions and everything. And he developed a little bit of a following. And I think he had about 30,000 followers or something like that on Facebook in the early days. And so it was his idea to start sort of an alternative to the onion that just approaches the issues from another worldview. From a Christian world view in particular. And he launched the site with the tagline, your trusted source for Christian news satire in early 2016.

2:07And it was just him initially. He bought a WordPress template. He threw a website up there. He came up with the name Babylon B. He was kind of, you know, trying to think of what would be a really good name for this site. And basically the name is a reference to how the Hebrew people were in exile. And he's trying to think of how, you know, basically Christians are in this sort of like position of being in exile in our culture. Where we're on the outs, we're on the outside looking in and trying to fight for our own views and values. And in a culture that's very adversarial to us. And so the Babylon B, the name there is sort of this reference to how we're writing these dispatches from a state of exile essentially. So, um, and that involved where, where do you come in? Oh, I hacked the site, took it over and stole control of it. I was gonna say we haven't heard of that guy since. Yeah. No, it's, it's, it's really interesting. I came across the bead the way that a lot of people did.

3:07It was showing up in my Facebook feed. But this is back when I still use Facebook. I don't use Facebook anymore really. I mean, every now and then I log in there to say happy birthday to somebody. Right. Um, but, um, but I used to, I used to use it more. And, uh, and I was seeing these headlines, um, you know, some of the early church jokes like Holy Spirit. I'm able to move through congregation as fog machine breaks. You've got this like cloudy sanctuary where you can barely make out the stage. Um, you know, stuff like that was showing up on my timeline. I'm like, this is really funny. This is like, it's not cheesy. It's legitimately funny. It's a lot of inside jokes that I got because I'm a pastor's kid. I grew up in the church. And so it was my world that he was satirizing and that he was doing this, um, satire through the lens of. And so, um, it really spoke to me personally, but I also saw the engagement that it was getting. And I'm like, okay, this is, he's, he's on to something here. Whoever this guy is. Um, and so I ended up reaching out just like a cold message. I think it was through Twitter, like a DM. To Adam just saying, you know, what you're doing is awesome.

4:08It's great. I wish I had thought of this. Uh, how can I help? Is there any way that I can help? Do you need funding? What are you trying to accomplish? Um, and at the time he was working out a deal, um, back then, uh, it was actually with the daily wire. Um, they were going to take over the B and he was going to sell it. And, um, it wasn't just because he was trying to cash out. He was like, he was deeply concerned about the censorship stuff that was happening. You know, the B is getting fact checked at this point. This isn't. So we fast forwarded now from he started in 2016. And that's when those early headlines were coming through. Um, I reached out to him in late 2017 or early 2018. And, um, and at that time, you know, that was when, uh, Facebook had started enrolling in listing, you know, snopes and Reuters and all these others to do fact checks on the platform and treat everything is harmful misinformation. And so he's like, this thing, this isn't going to last. We're going to get shut down. Everything we do is fake news. And they're, and they're treating it as though these jokes have a truth rating. They're true or false. And we keep getting marked false. So he's like, if the daily wire wants to take it off my hands, I don't have to do with that risk anymore.

5:10And I can, you know, make some money in the process. Great. But that ended up not going through. And so initially he kind of blew me off politely. Um, but then came back to me and said, hey, if you want to fly to Michigan and meet and talk, I'd like to get to know you. We'll see if we can work out a deal. So we hit it off, um, spend a couple of hours in a pub somewhere having a beer and just, you know, talking about the B and our past and, uh, experience in Christianity and the cultural issues and everything. And he was like, you know, let's do this. You know, I'll sell to you instead. So I ended up taking it over in March. I think it was of 2018. So for the past, you know, eight years it's been under my, uh, leadership. What were you doing at the time? All kinds of things. I mean, I so my, my, um, my experience in, like my career started in internet marketing. So, um, I graduated in 2004. I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life. I mean, I was like, I was interested in a lot of different things. So my dad was a pastor. I had a strong interest in theology and Christian apologetics and stuff like that.

6:15Those were sort of, those were more personal interest, not really vocational in the sense that I didn't really know. If I wanted or had the potential for a career in those areas, I did actually enroll in seminary, um, for a little bit of time. I was at Dallas Theological Seminary, um, exploring whether or not I wanted to go into that world. Um, but my first job out of college was at enterprise Renacar of all places. Because I needed a paycheck and I'm like, okay, well, they have this program management training program. You know, it, it, it sounds fine. I, I just need a paycheck. I need somewhere to work. I'm like, I'll, I'll do this. They actually require a 44 year degree for that, which is so many of these crazy jobs require a four year degree. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, well, you know, it's something that the problem was I was working for enterprise in South Florida. And they make you wear, you know, pants in a shirt in a tie. Uh, and you're, you're doing so many jobs at once. You're handling customers in the office, but you're also going out back and washing cars. And so I was like scrubbing cars in the middle of the summer in, in Florida.

7:18I'm like, this is not going to work. I am miserable. Uh, it was a long hours too. I did meet my wife there though. That's kind of like a little, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Funny little side story. She was in a road rage incident on the highway and, um, and ended up crashing her car. Somebody was like passing her and cutting her off. And so she tried to pass them and cut them off. She ended up losing control of her car and crashing. Wow. And so she needed a rental car. It came into the office. Uh, huh. And I rented her car. So this is the blessing of God putting me at enterprise, right? Yeah. Because I ended up meeting my wife and the mother of my children. So, um, she's renting a car and you're like, can I get your number? How did this happen? No, I was, you know, people don't meet in real life, like basically anymore at all. And this story just sounds like it's from like the 1700s. Right. Yeah, exactly. Like we just met out there in the wild, like living our lives. You know, I'm doing my job and she's like, she's having one of the worst days of her life. Because she's like, it's an insurance deal.

8:18And so, um, the car's wrecked, you know, she was driving irresponsibly. She's got to pay for a rental car and it won't insurance the car. That was her, you know, her driving responsibly. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's, she's still a reckless driver. She's a little bit more controlled now. She's got kids in the car, but it takes, takes effort for her to be controlled. Um, so she, uh, she would end up happening with, it's funny actually. Because enterprise's tagline is, will pick you up. So I think that's, you know, you picked her up. But, but I didn't ask her out. So I, I didn't want to get fired. I'm not trying to flirt with, you know, customers and, and ask them on dates or anything like that. So I didn't, I didn't say anything. I just run into the car and, and she left. And, uh, she ended up calling the office later that day and asking me out to dinner. So she asked me out. She picked me up. Low old. That's really amazing and impressive. Yeah. Um, but anyway, I wasn't working in enterprise when I bought the B. I was long out of enterprise. I, I didn't last very long there. Um, I ended up, I ended up pursuing something that I, I also had a personal interest in,

9:21which was this booming field, this internet marketing world that was taking off like crazy. Because you had, um, all these companies that were starting to dump millions and even billions of dollars into online marketing because it was the most effective way to reach customers. You had the past, you know, with, put TV ads up, you tried to target certain demographics. But your ads showed us so many people that aren't relevant to who you're actually trying to reach. And, um, and Google search comes along, AdWords and, and, uh, and Yahoo's program and whatever. And you could buy keywords like specific search terms, like bid on them so that when people clicked on ads related to those terms, they came to your sites, you were only bringing the most effective. You're bringing the people into the funnel that actually actively were seeking what you offer. And so I'm like, this is going to be huge. So I started dabbling around with that and learning how to do that. And I worked for several different marketing agencies before starting my own. And that's how I got out as an entrepreneur in the internet marketing space. And so that was the first several years of my career was in that world,

10:23either working for agencies or, or doing my own thing with internet marketing. And then, and then a transition from, okay, I don't want to have all these clients and we're all these accounts. I'm going to start some of my own businesses, acquire some businesses and do some of that. So I was basically, generically, you could call me an internet entrepreneur at the time. And I took over the B. So you take over the B and you start to grow it. And then 2020 happens. Is that your kind of pivotal time? For what? For, for, for growth and for, you know, I don't know, a billionaire buying a site for you. Something like a long those lines. Yeah, 2020 was interesting. I mean, you had, you had Black Lives Matter, you had COVID, you had all these things kind of coming to a head, you had cultural woakness sort of reaching its, its peak. And, you know, Trump was in office for several years and then out of office. And so we're suddenly on conservatives are suddenly sort of on the outs, which is a,

11:26it's kind of a great place to be in with comedy because, you know, when the leadership is opposed to you, you know, they are, they are the constant target. They're still a target when they're aligned with you, but less so because you agree with them more. So it was kind of a rich environment for us from a, from a comedic perspective. There was a lot to make fun of and it actually, it was, it became one of the more challenging times for the B. Because we found ourselves in that weird situation where so many of our jokes were coming true. And it was hard. It was really difficult for people to start discerning the difference between satire and real headlines. And so there were legitimately, legitimately a lot of people who believed that our headlines were real. Right. Around that time it started to happen more often. And that one started not the B, the other site where, yeah, yeah. Did life are true? 2019, I think late 2019, yeah, 2020, that's when not the B got its start. And it was, it was started specifically because of that problem where you had all these real headlines that seemed like satire, but somehow weren't. And so we're like people, people kept posting real headlines and saying, this is not the B or this is not onion, this is real, this is actually real.

12:33And so we piggybacked on that and we're like, okay, this is actually a great opportunity to create another sort of humor based entertainment media news site that, that isn't satirical, but is, but is hitting those things because that's a great compliment to what we do with the Babylon be already. And it's getting all of those tags and references attached to it. So, so that's how that was birth. But yeah, that was a, that was an interesting time for us. It was, it was when we had the most censorship, the most opposition. So the biggest challenges there, the most support, you know, universal support from people on the right, the rights a lot more divided now than it was at the time. And so that was kind of where everything sort of came to a head with a Twitter thing didn't happen until 2022. And if you want, I can kind of sketch out what happened there. Yeah, tell a telly audience. But it was a, that's actually a, one of the best examples I can give of a situation where a real headline comes across our feed and it's, and it seems like parity.

13:35We, you had USA Today naming Rachel Levine. They're picked for woman of the year. And, you know, Rachel Levine is not actually a woman. Yeah, Rachel, Levine is a transgender was a transgender health admiral in the Biden administration. So it's a male who is being named a woman of the year, which feels like it's something straight out of a South Park episode. You know, this is, this is something that 10 years prior, no one would have believed if they saw it. They would have thought it was satire. They would have laughed at it like it was funny. But it was something that we were supposed to be taking very seriously. And so, you know, we look at a headline like that where like, how do we, how do we do what we normally do, which is exaggerate or caricature the real headline to make it funnier than it already is. And, and we, we couldn't really think of a good one. We, what we ended up going with in response to that was, you know, this is an opportunity to actually say something provocative and true. Provocative because it's true, actually. And for the first time ever, name our pick from man of the year.

14:35We're going to start doing man of the year. And our man of the year that year was Rachel Levine. So we said the Babylon, these man of the years, Rachel, Levine. And of course, you know, we knew that there'd be a consequence to that. We expected one. But isn't crazy even just a few years later, like you knew there would be a consequence to. Oh, yeah. And, and even just four years later, we don't expect consequences to humor anymore. It's, it's really, you guys shifted the game. Like it was because of Babylon being because of Elon Musk buying Twitter that were no longer concerned about making a joke and being. Yeah. We've come a long way. It was, you know, at the time, Twitter before Elon's ownership, it was, they had two very contradictions. And they were very contradicted things in their terms of service, right? They had, they had their mission statement as part of their, their platform that was, you know, we are a, and these are their words, a platform for free expression without barriers.

15:37Right. And then at the same time, you had their, you know, their progressive woke ideology baked into the terms of service so that if you misgender somebody, if a man identifies as a woman and you refer to them as a man, then that's hateful conduct. And so it's like, okay, well, that seems like a barrier to free expression because it's not only, it's not just my opinion that this person is a man, it's literally an objective fact that they're a man, and I'm not allowed to say it. So you had, you were in a position at the time in those years that you're talking about 2020, 2022. In that time frame, you had two choices. You could either just silently ignore or go along with that, that project, that narrative, or you could challenge it and face consequences, which were up to, you know, suspension of your account. And so that was, as concerned as Adam was back in 2018 about the fact checking, it got a lot worse later on when I got to the point where you know, it wasn't just that, oh, you know, satire is being treated as misinformation, we overcame that pretty easily by,

16:41by actually threatening to sue everyone who labeled us misinformation. The New York Times, for example, said that we were trafficking and misinformation under the guise of satire. And we told them that they were trafficking and misinformation under the guise of journalism and to retract it and they did. So that was kind of easily overcome. It was ridiculous to treat satire as misinformative. But the hateful conduct thing was the thing that really threatened to get us wiped off the internet and destroy our business. But this is a thing. And this is something I think that's important to emphasize. We were well aware of that when we published the joke. We knew that this could mean we lose Twitter and Twitter is how people like Elon knew about us. It's like how it's how people like Joe Rogan knew about us and became fans of us. And so to have a platform like that with that kind of reach, that kind of influence, millions of followers and be faced with, well, do we tell the jokes were support we need to be telling that it must be told right now or do we zip our own mouth shut just to stay safe on these platforms.

17:41And we chose the former because we just felt that it's our obligation first and foremost as comedians to address these topics with comedy. But it's also our right as Americans to engage in the discourse and play a role in shaping how people think and feel about these issues by telling the truth. And so it was it was very very difficult to have to make judgments like that. It's like, okay, well, you know, but this is self-defeating. If we do the right thing, our business is going to die. So we didn't expect could have never expected that a benevolent billionaire would notice that this happened where we published this joke we get suspended we refused to take the joke down. And he's like, you know, maybe I just need to buy Twitter because this is insane. He reached out to us about it and talked to us about it. And it was I always have to add a comment here about how you know this wasn't like it wasn't just the Babylon B, right. Elon wasn't like, okay, the B's my favorite comedy site. I must buy Twitter to restore them. It was speech is restricted to the point where bad ideas can't be challenged anymore.

18:45Wokeness he spoke in very hyperbolic terms about the, you know, the harmful effects of wokeness and how it's insulated and protected from the top down to the point where you can't challenge it you can't even joke about it. And so the B was just one notable and obvious example of how how restrictive the platforms were being. And how detrimental that was to the discourse because you couldn't actually have open debate about these things. And so it did catch his attention. I don't take credit for him buying Twitter. I think he was probably going to do it anyway. But yeah, he was really upset that our account got suspended for that. And you locked out. Eight months. So between the time that we got suspended in the time that he walked through Twitter's headquarters carrying a sink and saying let that sink in. That was eight months we were sharing a Twitter jail cell with Donald Trump who was also suspended at the time. So that was a that was a crazy pivotal moment not just in the history of the B but literally in the history of the country and and how you know the marketplace of ideas has evolved and changed over time.

19:55And so it got very restrictive for a while now it started to open back up again if we served as a catalyst in that and so part of that. Then we are just you know we're we're obviously proud of that role that we may have played but I do think it was just part of a bigger a bigger issue. You know this was this was a real speech issue for everyone and the B was just an example of that. I think the credit to us goes in the fact that we we stood firm on what we believed we were willing to pay a price to to say what we think with no with no foreign knowledge or foresight that you know someone like Elon was going to come along and bail us out. And I think that's what you didn't do with an eye on somebody saving you right did it because we thought it was the right thing to do. And I hope that encourages other people you know like you it seems so dark and that there's there's never going to be a positive outcome and so why should I take a stand why why should I you know. Fall on the sword myself or and and take a hit if it's not going to make any difference it can make a difference it does make a difference and the more people who do it.

21:04If we have been a small account maybe nobody had noticed but even small accounts and large numbers can make a difference and so I try to encourage people all the time to you know do the right thing even if it comes at a cost maybe even especially if it comes at a cost because that's when it's really needed and that's when it's going to affect real change so. Elon's take over there was was massive and and there has been like you mentioned a dramatic shift in how it's played out. What are you most proud of in your life. I'm a father of two amazing sons they're ten and just turn thirteen. I'm probably most proud of them you know the fact that I have started a family and have that responsibility and seeing them grow up into little men it's actually sad to think about I I don't know if you do this I'm more and all the time that my children are not going to be children that much longer. So far I also have ten and thirteen but I also have sixteen and she's like one foot out the door yeah that's I I don't even like to think about it very much I there's just nothing that even touches that the pride and joy of being a parent and seeing your kids grow up with good values and good judgment and you know they're funny they're smart they're talented they're great at sports I mean even if they weren't I'd still love them and be proud of them.

22:27But they are all of those things which is a great bonus yeah and of course I'm biased as their father but I would say that's when I'm most proud of I mean there's there's different categories of things that you can be proud of right I mean professionally I'm very proud of the impact that we've had at the Babylon B you know I I joined the Babylon B as a Christian conservative who saw that it had this potential for great impact. I've long held you know I have this belief that that piggybacks on the back of something that's just Lewis said about how we don't need more Christian books we need more good books written by Christians I think that the B is an example of good content produced by that happens to be produced by Christians it's not just like four Christians by Christians and right right and some kind of cheesy cheap imitation knockoff of something the secular progressives have always done better I think I think Christians and conservative and I think that's the most important thing to do is to do that. And then it's of course not all of them that uses serious derivatives have to prioritize the quality of what they're producing not just a beating people over the head with a message but doing something real

23:33something that can actually be impactful because it speaks to the culture itself. And I think the B has done that. I mean, the evidence of that is everywhere. The fact that I was on Joe Rogan's show a couple of years ago, you know, and that Elon knew who we were and was a fan of. These aren't Christian conservatives. We went well beyond just the early church audience that Adam had fostered when he first launched the B. We now have broader cultural impact. Well, the question to ask is why? Well, because we make good content. We make good content. We have talented writers that are addressing the issues from a novel perspective. We did something unique and we're moving the needle. And so all of those things, I'm proud of the work that I've done fighting for life and against the radical gender ideology, you know, battling, battling bad ideas in the public square so that they aren't taken seriously because when they are, they have catastrophic consequences. I'm proud of all of that. So. I love that. This juice shares Babylon B several times.

24:35Yeah. Yeah. Well, the juice like us and probably because we don't hate juice. Well, that helps, but I'm not sharing you because you're good people. You know what I mean? I'm sharing you because you're genuinely hilarious. I know. I just don't want to like, I don't want to minimize. Yeah, you've been amazing on Jewish issues and you've just been such a fighter against anti-Semitism. But at no point am I like, ooh, I'm going to share this hilarious Babylon B piece because Seth is so good on, you know, juice. It's just not about that. It's your fun. Well, let me say, I'm proud of that too because I would, one thing that I won't have a regret about later on in life when I'm looking back on what I did or didn't do or what I said or didn't say. I won't look back on my life and think, you know, during that time when someone needed to be speaking out, I stayed quiet because I was scared.

25:37You know, I was afraid that people like Tucker Carlson or Megan Kelly or Nick Fuentes or Andrew Tate or Candacellans or somebody like that. I was afraid that somebody like that might attack me personally or come after me and you know, they have more reach and influence than I have. I might lose followers or something. I won't have that regret later in life because I went ahead and spoke up when I felt something needed to be said and done. And so I'm proud of that too. I mean, it's, and I give a lot of the credit for, I guess, that part of who I am, that character development that I've had came a lot from, you know, my parents, my upbringing and the example that they set for me, you know, they're bold truth tellers, they're unafraid. And so they have a fearless son. Yeah. And I hope my sons are that way. You know, I don't, I, it is as bad as it is that there are so many people promoting bad ideas out there. It frustrates me every bit as much and it's, and it's just as wrong to be silent in the

26:43face of it. And so the cowardice that I see out there is, is equally a problem. But so I'm proud of the fact that I haven't succumbed to that. Give us a five year out prediction and it could be about anything at all. A five year out prediction for what's going to happen in the world five years for now? Anything. Because, you know, like, just go music, mix a, like, anything you want. Well, I don't know. I mean, I think the thing that's going to change the world more than probably anything else or the course the next several years is the rapid development of AI and what that does. I think that the, I think it is a big challenge trying to predict what that's going to look like. You know, I, I already, I thought that by now things would have already changed more substantially than they have. There's still a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. There's still most, most people still have jobs. My eyes are not diving to me all the time. Like, yeah, and AI is not doing your job for you. It was so wrong, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

27:43We have to correct them a lot, don't we? You have these back and forth as a, and I, and how do you even know if it's, if it's just being agreeable or if it's actually changing its mind? Does it have a mind? Yeah. So I, I think that's going to be the biggest change. What, how, how that looks, I don't know. I mean, I had a weird experience the other day. I was driving around on my Tesla. It was self driving me. Uh-huh. And I was connected to a starlink, uh, and using my iPad. And I'm like, and I'm on Groc using a Groc bot. Yeah. But the future that Elon is building for humanity is a weird one. It's so different from, from what we experienced in the past. Yeah. A lot of things that used to be, uh, a human tasks are going to be handed off to robots. And I think that's coming in the next five years. And so how that changes things, I see a lot of positive in it for making things more efficient. But there's also a lot to be concerned about and how, you know, our, we will sort of, in a lot of ways, lose our humanity. Um, you know, a lot of things that we do now that we think about now, um, that we work

28:45hard on now that actually matter part of the parts of what make us human. We won't need to do anymore. We'll be able to hand that off to something. And then, and then what we just become like the, the, uh, the slabs and, and Wally that, um, sip on milkshakes and, and, uh, and ride around on these little hover carts that carry them because, so overweight, they can't walk anymore. Um, well, we lose our humanity, I guess is, is a big question mark there. Um, but that's, I mean, in the next five years, if, if I'm just thinking broadly of what's, what's going to change, that's going to be the biggest thing is how, is, is, how that impacts how we work, how we live, how we interact with each other. Um, already, you know, we, we saw over the course of the past 20 years, you know, you, you and I grew up, um, before smartphones and, and everything and social media had taken over. Yeah. Look how much that changed things. People just sit around a table now. They're all looking at their phones. They're not even interacting with each other. Um, what's it going to be like five years from now? I don't know. Seth, I have loved this conversation. You're super interesting.

29:45I, my show almost never runs late as my audience members know. And, you know, here we are a few minutes over, but I'm sorry. I talked about, awesome. I could keep this going. I'm like, I shouldn't have done like a longer segment with Seth. Um, leave us here with your best tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives. Ooh, and I've got to be brief, right? I don't know. Um, I think selfishness is a big problem. So I would say if I'm, if I'm going to give you just one thing, um, it's not all about you, uh, and focusing less on ourselves, being willing to, being willing to make light of ourselves, uh, even laugh at ourselves, but allow ourselves to be of service to others. There's nothing more enriching and rewarding in life than doing that. I mean, as a Christian, I mean, as part of the Christian world view is to, is to adopt that kind of mentality and be more of a servant. Um, uh, you'll never get anything more richly rewarding than, than adopting that mentality over the, you know, how can I serve myself best? I love it.

30:46Thank you so much for coming on. He is Seth Dillon. Check out the Babylon Bee if you don't already. Read them every day. They are so funny. Thank you Seth for coming on. Thank you. Why are you listening to Armstrong and Ketion Demand? We're not boring. And tedious and depressing and makes you angry. You don't want to live your life like that. Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty. We're Armstrong Ingetty. We try to bring you the truth and help you figure out this crazy modern world. About something about a comedic tone. We have a winner. Yes. Listen to Armstrong You Getty on Demand on the iHeart Radio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.