David Rutherford Show: NATO Broke Its Promise to Russia: 27,000 Nukes, "Not One Inch" & the Road to Ukraine

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3:09one of the top Russian officials who basically was condemning the West as imperialist and they're not the non imperialist, which was fascinating. We see the NATO leaders Mark Rout, who's been incredibly inflammatory after this alleged drone, Russian drone that was near a Ukrainian transport plane in Lipsig on an airport. We obviously see the Madame herself Ursula, Landerva, who was talking trash and basically saying we are going to, and she's the head of the European Union, by the way, non elected, but head of the European Union and basically saying we will not allow Russia to intimidate us, we won't tolerate these attacks, these terrorist attacks, so the rhetoric's pumping up. And then just yesterday we saw an incredible historic reality in the shift of German politics,

4:16where the AFD won in a land side in Saxony, and then the chancellor came out and said they were all in shock by what had taken place, and they thought essentially he was saying, and I'm paraphrasing, no one ever imagined that German nationalism would ever rear its ugly head again. And one of the interesting things about the leader of the AFD party, this woman, she basically has doubled down and said, not only are we going to stop Germany's involvement in the Ukraine Russia war, but we're also, we're going to pull German, if we win, we win, when we win, we're pulling Germany out of the European Union, we're stopping this globalist, we're going to kick all the immigrants out, we're going to stop funding them, like a complete 180 degree shift that what we've seen back dating from Angela Merkel in the early days of the European Union.

5:18You know, in what you have to understand, this is not stuff that just happened as a result of the 2021 invasion, the special military operation, which was coined by Putin, into Ukraine, right? This is a story that goes much deeper and much longer, and you have to understand that every war is fought on two different types of battlefields, right? The battlefield of propaganda and the battlefield of historical reality. And what you have to understand is this whole thing originated after the fall of the USSR back in 1991, and the players that were involved during all of this. Now to give a little bit deeper historical reality, you know, everybody understands, we partnered with Russia during World War II. Actually, there was also a partnership with Russia in World War I, France and England primarily,

6:24along with Russia, we're battling German, right? And a lot of people's, a lot of historians that I've read believe that was because of the economic, the speed and economic and military growth that Germany was engaged in in the industrial revolution. So the 1890s, the early 1900s, they were building more ships developing more military. They were, you know, and this was the Austro-Hungry and Hungro Empire, right? That this was involved in. And, you know, basically, Britain and France were pissed off about it, and it was jeopardizing their imperial domination, mostly Britons of the world, and a lot of their ability in terms of controlling the supply routes around the world. And as a result of this, what they want you to believe is that was, it was some anarchist assassin that triggered the entire thing.

7:24It's much deeper than that. It goes on for many years prior to that. And fundamentally, what a lot of this stuff always boils down to, what is economic power, global trade, you know, resources, certain countries, resources, the exploitation of resources, military power. And again, also going back even before, this region had been on and off and war throughout the last 1500 years or more, right? So you go back and you start going, well, what took place post World War II, our ally who was communist, and by the way, you go back and the question I always ask is, why did we partner with Russia? Knowing that Russia was being run, you know, the bolt, we knew about the Bolshevik revolution, there's tons of people that were over there and covering it. In fact, we actually sent over many people that helped develop the communist revolution

8:28and USSR from an industrial capacity post revolution in 1918. American companies were over there supporting, just like American companies were working with the National Socialist Party of Germany, right? IE Ford and a bunch of other big US conglomerates to help them develop steel and vehicles and military equipment, that whole thing, right? So obviously post World War II, Russians, and many historians will argue that the real front, the real most of World War II took place on the eastern front, right? I always ask audiences or when I'm doing a Q&A about historical relevance to modern foreign policy in my day job, when I'm out speaking, one of the questions I like to ask is, do you know how many Americans died in World War II? And it's a little over 400,000. Obviously, you know, casualties from that were far graded for sure in the impacts psychologically on people was great.

9:36But when you look at fatalities in Germany, it was about 19, I think 19.6 or 7 million, and then Russians lost 22.5 million people in that war, in the war. Now you aggregate that against what Stalin did in, well, first you had the red tear that took place immediately after the revolution, and then you had the hello to more, which took place in 33, 32, 33, 34, and other 10 million Ukrainians were annihilated, the coax, the farmers, coptic Christians were just completely wiped out, starved the death really, and then, you know, the millions of other people that were wound up, the egalitarians, the industrialists, the professors, you know, other political oppositions, the clergy, I don't even know how many, uh, um, uh, coptic Christian churches were burned and shut down after the Bolshevik revolution, but it's significant.

10:37And all of these things play a role. Now we ended up partnering with Russia because essentially I think England was pretty much broke, and they had expended millions of their, uh, their blood and treasures, literally and figuratively, and World War One and French probably had lost a little bit of their gusto for, uh, kinetic warfare, because they also lost millions of, of their young men in their engagement. So, uh, you know, when you look at the blitzkrieg and how fast the Nazis moved into Paris and took over Paris, and we're on the border of Britain, and you go, okay, this is profound. We need to, we need to recognize what this is. And, um, and then obviously, you know, Hitler eventually started as the war on the eastern front to push back communism, which was a huge fear of his that, uh, and when you, and you understand the history of post-World War One Germany, you know, Germany almost fell to communism in 1918 and 19 and 20.

11:41Um, communism had really made it huge, and it was actually the, the, the German soldiers who had come back from the front, who kind of got together and repelled that communist takeover. So, all of these things are relevant, but the most relevant was the Cold War that ensued afterwards, because the Germans basically like, well, the revolution is on. We're just going to continue this. And when, you know, Churchill, uh, Truman, and Stalin carved up Europe, they essentially gave Eastern Europe to the Russians, which, uh, just if you want to look at some scary history, go look at Czechoslovakia and what took place there. Um, there's some pretty horrific things that they were at, they ended up doing to their people, as well as other countries. And then obviously we had the spread of communism into China as well too with Mao Zedong, which then had his own red terror, uh, back in the 50s, 60s and 70s, which some high estimates, it's a hundred million, some low estimates, it's 40 million of Chinese people that they just tried to destroy.

12:43So, you know, but that Cold War was serious, and it was a serious threat, you know, it made it all the way to the Cuban Missile Crisis, you know, where the Russians had, you know, ballistic missiles in Cuba, 90 miles off the coast of South Florida. So, you know, the threat of this was significant, right? Communism's main articulated goal was to take over the world with a one-world government that dominated the world under the guise of communism. And so out of World War II, you had, uh, the North American, the North American alliance treaty, I forget what, bring up what NATO specifically was founded and what was the main mission under it? I actually, I think I have that here, hold on a sec. Um, what is it? What does it say? Yeah, the North Atlantic treaty. Yeah, the North Atlantic treaty. Uh, in this was, go ahead, sorry, go ahead, please.

13:44NATO, North Atlantic treaty organization was founded on April 4th, 1949, with the signing of the North Atlantic treaty, also called the Washington treaty in Washington, DC by 12 countries. All right. The parties, let me read you what the, um, the treaty and for Article 5, because this is the crux of this whole thing right now. It's the Article 5 agreement. The parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America, shall be considered and attacked against them all. And consequently, they agree that if such an arm attack occurs, each of them in exercise of the right of the individual or collective self defense recognized by Article 5 of the chart of the United Nations, 51 of the United Nations, will assist the party or parties so attacked by taking forth with individually and in concert with other parties, such action as it deems necessary,

14:45including the use of armed force of armed force to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area. Any such arm attack and all measures taken as a result, thereof shall immediately be reported to the security council, such measures shall be terminated when the security council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security. This is the official English text plus by NATO. All right. So, you know, post World War II, you got the UN that emerges and remember all these countries are chopping up the Middle East. That's also plays a role in what we're seeing going on over there right now. And then, you know, when NATO was initiated in 49, you know, this Article 5 was in place. And so, fast forward, remember, Article 5 in NATO was a direct correlation to what Communist Russia had done in Eastern Europe.

15:48I don't think, I don't know about Truman as much as Roosevelt, but certainly Roosevelt and Churchill, they knew who they were dealing with. But immediately after it was over, they're like, we're taking this, this, and this. And they're like, okay, we don't want to go to war anymore. You know, so what happened? Communist basically took over. And actually what country was split into Germany, West Germany and East Germany, Allah, the wall. And the wall was built and created. Now fast forward, I think what everybody really began to recognize. You know, Russia's challenges was facing some significant economic challenges as a result of the Russian Afghan war from 79 to 80, I think 89. It basically bankrupted them. They had a profound amount of casualties and really exposed them almost like the Vietnam War exposed us on a level that, you know, even superpowers have vulnerabilities to a high degree.

16:58And if you bleed a super power dry economically, it really can impact their ability to protect their power around the world in the various ways they do that. So all of that took place. And I don't think any of that is debatable. Like who went where and what is is is is those are the facts of the matter. Now the wise, that's where it gets into kind of this different, this different interpretation, if you will. And you know, what you had is when and there's the famous Reagan speech, you know, you know, Gorbachev tear down this wall and it was the liberation of Germany, the reunification of the German people that had been divided since, you know, essentially 1940. And, you know, that was kind of the representation that once that fell, once the USSR fell and kind of collapsed economically, that opened the doors really for America to be untethered.

18:07And who might be able to impede or quell our reach politically, our reach economically and most certainly our reach militaristically. Now when the collapse of the Soviet Union took place, the number one thing that was, I think, really difficult for so many American policy makers and people that were a part of all this was the proliferation of nuclear weapons, right? And you have to understand, you know, that's a big deal, right? At the height, I don't even know, I look up, Jordy, at the fall of Russia in early 90s, how many nuclear weapons did they have? And in how many countries had nuclear weapons? And then how many nuclear weapons we had? But all right, so you have this fall and obviously Reagan comes out of office, George Bush, senior comes in, George H. W.

19:16And is dealing with this and, you know, the people that were part of his organization that you really have to understand were key architects of the original NATO expansionist policies, right, to see their opportunity to, but not attack, but to exploit Russia's vulnerabilities because like the whole system collapsed and you had this economic chaos, all these oligarchs, you had all this basically all of the Russian infrastructure indices were basically purchased by these very wealthy corrupt politicians. All right, what did you have for us there, Jordy? Looks like at the collapse of the Soviet Union in late 91, the numbers looked like this, estimates of total stockpiles for Soviet or Russian nuclear weapons, the end of 91 are typically about 27,000 to 35,000 warheads.

20:18Wow, US nuclear weapons, the official US stockpile at the end of the fiscal year 91 was 19,000 and eight warheads, the five states that were recognized nuclear weapon states at that time, the United States, Soviet Union, United Kingdom, France, and China. There you have it, all right, so the Soviet Union collapses and all of these, uh, superferrous Soviet Union enclave's Ukraine, Kersikstan, Georgia, all these places had nuclear warheads in them. So you had the Secretary of State James Baker, you had his National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft, you had Lawrence Engelberger, Baker's deputy, you had Senator Sam Noon and Richard Luger, you know, all these people became infatuated with, you know, trying to recognize, hey, we got a real problem here.

21:26This nuclear warheads just get out in the world, we got a problem. So that became one of their primary components of, of foreign policy. Now in the middle of all that, obviously, is Ukraine, right? And so now these former Soviet states have this opportunity, right, with a very weakened, uh, Russian, what is it, Russian Federation, I think it became. Uh, you know, Gorbachev went away, Yeltsin came in and he's trying to consolidate power. He's trying to pick the right oligarchs to deal with. He's trying to rein in, you know, where this nuclear material is, right, he's trying to, you know, not have complete desertion of his military, how he's going to get his economy going from ultimate, ultimate collapse and into chaos. And so we see a profound opportunity at that point, uh, to get in there and, and, and mix it up, right, to gain strength, where in Europe, and all of the Eastern European countries that had been kind of overtaken now they have their independence, you know, and think about them all, they're got Poland, you had Latvia, Finland, you had all these, you know, all these places that were, uh, you know, dominated by these

22:47events. And, um, you know, I think what you really had is, you know, you have now this profound, uh, focus to reel in the nuclear material, but also capture and gain strength. So it's kind of, it's kind of interesting. And one of the things that I think is, uh, also critical to understand is, you know, there's also another component of this. And this is, um, article 10, um, that exists in the NATO charter, which I'm going to read to you right here. And this is the crux of, I think, expansionism. The parties may, by unanimous agreement, invite any other European state in a position to further the principles of this treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area to a seed to this treaty. Any state so invited may become a party to the treaty by depositing its instrument of ascension with the government of the United States of America, the government of the United States of America will inform each of the parties of the deposit of each such instrument of a session.

24:06Basically article 10 says, all right, because we're the king's shit on the block now, if we want to pull other countries in, we're going to make that decision on our own when we want how we want. And you know what, Russia, go fuck yourself. We don't care. Excuse my French, right. We're not should say excuse my American. So this is a profound thing taking place because this is is pivotal. So, George, look up when the first former Russian countries join NATO for me. All right. So, you know, you had this all this taking place. And then George senior gets bumped because of Mr. Bill Clinton or Governor Clinton, who was arguably one of the greatest politicians in modern time. So, I think it's something different. We had had we had had basically 12 years of Republican governance. I think people were ready for a change, if you will. And so, oh, Bill comes in and immediately is faced with all this stuff. All right. What do you got for us, Jordy?

25:12So, first former Soviet block countries to join NATO were Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic on March 12, 1999, 1999. All right. Let me back up. So, Clinton comes into office, right. And is really focused on domestic policy balancing the buddh, the famous agreements with him and new Grinch, Grinch, balanced in the budget for the first time all this. So, I really focused on this great domestic policy. The late 90s America was cooking. You know, we were really, you know, really at the top of the game. There was really no other competitors at that none. Prior to that, there was a couple of key things that took bait took took place. And February, this was they call this the promises, the promise that was never on paper. So, I really want to talk about my incredible partnership with one of my best friends. And that's Evan Hafer and the boys over at Black Rifle Coffee. I'm so honored to be a part of their organization and just really can't thank them enough for allowing me to participate.

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27:35It's fall in Jeep country and during the drive into fall sales event get a great deal on four by fours that refuse to be contained like Jeep Wrangler. Confidence built into every drive with the most awarded SUV ever Jeep Grand Cherokee and freedom that can't be denied with the open air freedom and Jeep gladiator. After 85 years, it's no surprise that Jeep became America's SUV brand get a great deal during the Jeep driving to fall sales event. Jeep is one more awards over its lifetime than any of the rest of the branch even the Jeep grill or register trademark CFC a US LLC. February 1990, Secretary of State James Baker in quotes made this remark made this remark to Gorbachev and quote not one inch eastward and quote and that was his his his guarantee to Gorbachev right and there was made at a German reunification talks about native jurisdiction in Germany never written and it was never written into any treaty ever whatsoever. You go back to article 10 that's exactly what it's saying United States reserves the right to bring anybody they want in the NATO and that's critical to understand because at that point right I don't think I think y'all's and was just trying to hang on for dear life at the time but remember you had a person that was rising in the political ranks and in terms of Putin at the time watching all this and watching what was taking place.

29:03Right so now the two narratives that exist out of this right both Russia claims a betrayed promise from Baker in the United States right and that all of Eastern Europe would never become NATO not one inch eastward but NATO says hey what are you talking about we didn't make any pledges to you we didn't promise you anything all we promised you is a you know a nod in a handshake that we were going to integrate Russian to European economic structures which is what you wanted in the first place because Russia has what a profound amount of what natural resources i.e. oil right oil liquefied natural gas all of these things which guess what Europe is you know can exist without the support of this type of energy support so all these things are percolate right all right. Now here was something that really was the crux of the shift of the power in the region and it took place in Budapest in 1994.

30:12So in 1991 Ukraine inherited 780,000 troops so they had a immediate full-standing army that was former Russia and then they also had the third largest nuclear arsenal from the US. From the USSR right so think about that you you you go from being a you remember the USSR completely dominating by communism now they're out you're an independent country trying to figure yourself out you gotta eight hundred thousand man army and you gotta shit on a nuclear warheads. Obviously this is freaking everybody out in the bushing administration in the US so they're trying to figure out so the Budapest memorandum takes place now Ukraine basically surrendered every warhead in exchange for security in quotations assurances now when you go back and you read all of these different things you have to understand the language that's chosen because language in these treaties or agreements or memorandum.

31:20So that's the way politicians and bankers and whoever that's the way they kind of manipulate the system is through the technical meaning of language right so the term assurances was used and note not guarantees now you know the document this document is the minimum on a security assurances in connection with Ukraine's ascension to the treaty on the non-polarification of New York. So I'm just going to read you the opening lines to this so I want you to get understand Ukraine the Russian Federation the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America like think about those other groups that are involved in this right welcoming the ascension the assession of Ukraine to the treaty on non-polarification of nuclear weapons as a non-nuclear warhead. So I'm going to read you the opening lines to this so I want you to get understand the word that's going to be called the nuclear weapons state taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specific period of time.

32:31So I'm going to read you the opening lines to this so I want you to get understand the word that's going to be called the nuclear weapons state taking into account the commitment of the United States of America. Remember, Jordi just told you the Russia and all of its territories had 27,000 nuclear weapons. How many does it take to annihilate everything? How many does it take to annihilate a country, a region, a city, right? Not probably not very many in particular a place like Ukraine or Eastern Europe which was on the table. All right, so this is the big scare, you know, and when you go through this the this the boot of pest men are in them. What it what's really interesting is the language that they choose in there and they're basically saying, hey Ukraine, you got to get in this non-polarization and give up all your stuff and we got your back, right? All of us, UK, Ireland, you don't see any of the other ones in there, but the United States and oh yeah, the Russian Federation's got your back too, right?

33:33Meanwhile, all Americans thinking about is how do we get rid of those that nuclear material? All right, so, you know, one of the interesting things that arises from that and I highly recommend if you're if you're into this go read the boot of pest men are in it's really fascinating the language they use on their who are the signatories of this and what are the ultimate things, right? When you go into this, you know, these are not treaties, you have to understand right a treaties much different than a man Miranda or an agreement, right? And they're not as binding treaties are the ultimate binding thing and international politics and working with other country, none of these were treaties, right? You did have treaties dealing with nuclear weapons, but you know, now look at where we're at with those treaties, how many different countries also have nuclear ups, we pull up all the different countries that have nuclear material now. All right, so, you know, over the next years, you know, you went into all these other different agreements and this paperwork and another the next one I, you know, the one that really kind of popped out for me was the NATO Russia founding act.

34:53And in this NATO basically said I quote has no intention, no plan and no reason and quote to permanently station substantial combat forces on new members territory language both sides now accused the other of gutting. All right, what he got for me, who how many nuclear countries are there now? As of today, there are nine countries that own nuclear weapons, roughly 90% belong to Russia and the United States is Russia United States China France United Kingdom India Pakistan Israel North Korea. Let's see nuclear materials and much wider category looks like it's around 190 states. Okay. So late now it's mid 90s, you have all these agreements coming out the in this the Budapest, there's assurances that and these are all assurances basically that Russia is trying to adhere to because their vulnerability at the time and Ukraine is a pivotal plays a pivotal role for Russia in multiple ways.

36:06And one, it's the bread box for Ukraine, but other it's got the the USSR fleet out of Crimea, what gives it access to all of Europe the Mediterranean, the whole thing right. If you don't have that then their whole ability everything else goes northern through the Arctic and down through the North Atlantic right which most most of the NATO countries, they had total control of that region anyways and if they could shut down eventually shut down Ukraine and Crimea would be a huge military impact on on Russia. All right, so in this 1997 NATO Russia founding act again, I told you there was no intention, no plan, no reason to permanently station or sub substations substantial combat, post on new members territory right now also in 1997 you had the Ukraine, you Russia Ukraine friendship treating right and this is where Russia formally recognize Ukraine borders including Crimea.

37:11Crimean I just told you why Crimea is important for the Russian fleet alongside the black fleet sea base and deal. In the same year NATO Ukraine charter on a distinct partnership right and that's those assurances started to come and play but you notice in those where you don't notice but in those what started to happen in as NATO the United States they started aggregating direct agreements with Ukraine leaving out Russia now. So what do you have if you have Russia that has this huge military dependence as well as economic and you know a grain dependence all these other things you know and now the sudden you start to see Ukraine cutting other deals what are you going to do if you're Russia easy you're going to start to try and influence the political situation going on in Russia right now obviously there were other places that were struggling in this Bosnia hurts a govenia the Kosovo stuff. Kosovo stuff was going on all of this is poppin so it's making obviously Eastern European NATO is starting to play a bigger role in all of this it's having direct impact in these other countries that's got to get Russia a little bit you know like oh this is a little bit what they said they weren't going to do their push in Eastward a little bit all right.

38:32So you know one of the things that I'm going to reach you the founding act on mutual relations and cooperation and security between NATO and the Russian Federation right this was what took place in Paris France on 27 May 1997 I want to read some of this to you because this is important. All right the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and its member states on the one hand and the Russian Federation on the other hand here and after referred to as NATO and Russia based on an enduring political commitment undertaken at the highest political level will build together a lasting and inclusive peace in the Euro Atlantic area on the principles of democracy and cooperative security. NATO and Russia do not consider each other adversaries they share the goal of overcoming the vestiges of earlier confrontation and competition and a strengthening mutual trust and cooperation the present act reaffirms the determination of NATO and Russia to give concrete substance to their shared commitment to build a stable peaceful undivided Europe whole and free to the benefit of all of its people making this commitment at the highest political level marks the beginning of the war.

39:56So the idea of the development of fundamentally new relationship between NATO and Russia they intend to develop on a basis of common interests and reciprocity and transparency a strong stable and enduring partnership the act defines the goals and mechanism of consultation cooperation joint decision making and joint action that will constitute the core and mutual relations between NATO and Russia. So when were the first NATO countries expanded again. March 12 1999. So just two years after they signed this whole thing where NATO in the United States are basically saying, no man we're good don't worry we got you we want to work with you and there's actually a lot of record of people in the Clinton organization and people that were in government that were like hey let's integrate Russia's economy into you know our fold let's let's deal with let make it like a European country and we'll integrate that.

41:03We'll integrate them and we're work with them in all this but again there was some die hard neocons that were like hell no we're going to make Russia pay for what they did to us right and by the way you always got to have somebody to be at war with right in order to keep the machine going and everybody working in all these organizations that are are fixated on. One of the defining characteristics of of any empire democracy dictatorship whatever you want to call it is is always having an adversary right if you got an adversary you got somebody to fear and you got a place to put a shit on a money to all right so Russia science this thing they're like cool we're going to be integrated into Europe and sell our wares and sell our gas and sell all this and it's going to be awesome we're going to stabilize our economy that's been in free fall for 10 years. And we're going to get back you know and redevelop as an international Titan of commerce and and a power in the world.

42:09Not so fast we're going to expand NATO eastward and I think at that moment it really begins to to change right right and you know one of the things that that first waves east you know in the the also the whole idea of NATO's integration with Kosovo and what was taking place and you know I have bodies back in the late 90s which we seem like you know last last century you know I had bodies that were in the teams doing operations in Kosovo and they were like many times we're like why the why are we here like what's our purpose here what are we doing this is like a localized thing between different political boy like what are we doing which is really important to us is that we are doing the same thing. Which was the irony and that was kind of interesting because if you go back and you look at Yemen and we pulled out of Yemen we pulled out of Sudan we pulled out all these other failed places that had nothing to offer but yet the conquest of eastern Europe was an essential component of what expanding

43:16NATO putting pressure on the new Russian Federation right that's all at document just go look up go read some of the old speeches by Baker read read the speeches by Clinton read the speeches by the members of NATO NATO heads generals of NATO you know it's all this presence of the European to strengthen the European Union. All right so one of the interesting things and you know in 90 in 99 you had Poland hungry and Chetra public join in 2004 right now remember what took place from 99 to 2002 give me a hand Jordy think internationally think a major Jol in world focus on international fears or international engagements what what began to happen.

44:16I like I think of his wife 2k 9 11 9 11 it's the rise in radical Islam right and a lot of people you know there's arguments out there that basically you know the the our performance in the 80s funding both Iran and Iraq the Iran Contra us funding the Muhazhidin in Afghanistan and then essentially turning our backs on them after you know the Russian war Russia pulled out you know in the rise of what al-Qaeda and bin Laden and you know you had the 93 bombings in the towers that took place right with the the blind shake which a lot of people you know there's a contingency of Muslim brotherhood that's involved in there and they were radicalized in Israeli jails and then there's a tide of the Saudi royal families right so all of a sudden the Middle East starts popping right and there was these terrorists attack that really exploded in the 90s and this is when I I went in the military 95 and really became more aware oh shit this this whole other thing taking place in the Middle East and what's going on.

45:29I remember I went to high school with a kid whose family worked in the for the oil companies over in Riyadh in Saudi Arabia and he would tell me about what it was like going growing up there and it was just you know it was really bizarre to try to you know his perception of how Americans were looked at or integrated in the society in any way you know and then you had you know also you had this kind of explosion of these other golf store the states and they're funding and development of their oil production and it really began to pop. So then you have the coal bombings in 2000 where we actually can go back to Kenya the the bombings and Kenya and the embassies there that came back down in 99 then you had the coal bombing and then you had 911 and I think at that point you had this profound shift away from you know what the new focus had been in this kind of decade of the and this kind of decade of global, the initiation of kind of a pseudo globalization of American dominance

46:36in might spreading eastward through Europe into Southeast Asia, obviously, you know, NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement with Bill. So we just shifted our focus a lot, and then 9-11 happened in everything now. We have this new enemy, and the enemy is in quotations terrorism, which isn't even a person, right? It's just, it's a verb, it's an action, it's an idea. And so we pivoted and kind of in the background, there was also this kind of NATO expansion that was taking place, right? We've got our eye on the bouncing, shiny object of the war in Afghanistan, and then obviously, 03, the war in Iraq, because Saddam Hussein was a partner with al-Qaeda, even though he was not even a Sunni Muslim, and that was kind of, I mean, a weapons-a-mass destruction, but he didn't really have weapons-a-mass destruction, you know, that was all convoluted, and I can

47:39do another show on that later if you want. But over here, you still have now, everybody's distracted by the Middle East, guess what we're going to do? We're going to expand NATO more. So in 2004, which is called, in quotes, the Big Bang of NATO, seven more countries were introduced to the NATO organization. Jordi, bring up those seven countries for me, right? So, you know, again, you want to reiterate, you know, the 90s was a profound economic collapse, right? You had all these default, un-international IMF loans, all this. You had oligarch looting, all right, they had holled out the military. In fact, one of my dad's incredibly rich friends bought two big jets during that time and had two big jets. And this is what the craziness was going on. Go ahead, Jordi, what are those seven countries? So you're talking about seven countries they

48:44joined in 2004. Is that right? Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia. All right. So imagine you have this decade of chaos. You find the get what date did Putin come into office? Bring that up for me too. So you. It's a good question. It was keep one second on. It's a notably this is NATO's largest single enlargement. Ever. Yeah, and oh, yeah, and oh, for and that's all you got to understand. That's also when things began to get trippy or tricky in Ukraine as well too. And I'll get you there. All right, when did Putin come into office? It was December 31st, 1999. Wow, just snuck into that century, just barely. And obviously Putin comes in. If you don't know his background, he grew up in the KGB.

49:44You know, and really has a profound sense of defeat and wanted to bring Russia back to the forefront of its prowess as an international global superpower. All right. So he comes into office. All this has taken place. He's trying to regain power, consolidate national power over these oligarchs. He's putting a bunch of people in jail. He's, you know, he's clean and house essentially. Well, in 2003, you had to tozla island. And this is the thing nobody talks about in any of the stuff I've seen, right? And this is where Russia unilaterally builds a dam toward Ukraine's tozla island in the Kirch street, where an arm standoff took place. The first serious post-Soviet test of Ukraine borders, right? Crimea rehearsed 11 year early, 11 years early. And this is why the Ukraine clock, I believe officially starts in 2003, right? Because now you have arm conflict. Basically,

50:52Putin says, I think the NATO guys, they're full of shit. Now, obviously he knows the deal with another next countries of the seven countries that expanded in 04 and 04 because he has spies all through the European Union, guaranteed. Remember his whole thing is he understands the necessity of espionage. And, and the Russians have traditionally always been like one of the most elite espionage units or capabilities in the world. They always have just go back to you want to go down a interesting rabbit hole. There's a great book called Stalin. I highly recommend you read it. In that book, the author claims that there were like 20 plus communists that were embedded in Roosevelt's immediate cabinet or deputy cabinet members. 20 plus, right? So these guys are really good at this type of trade crap. So you have tozla island and then all of a sudden, 2004 hits the major seven country expansion, right? The Iraqi invasion. We're like, oh, mission accomplished and

51:56all that, which then starts the insurgency, which you can better believe that I'm sure that Russia played some small role in moving weapons and ammunitioning explosives through Iran, right? Maybe through Syria, because you had Assad going in there, right? You had they have close relationships with all those organizations, right? So, but the big one that hit is what? The orange revolution of 2004, right? And this was the formative thing that really kind of I think basically inspired Putin to be like, oh, shit, we need to gain control of this. This is beginning to get out of control. And again, for all of this, and I know I'm dumping a truckload of information, right? I want you to keep it in the simplest terms, right? Think about your home, right? And think about your neighbors, right? Think about who lives next to you on the left, on the right behind you and across the street, right? All of us have had a shitty neighbor before. And what it causes the

53:02type of emotional strife, whatever it might be, whether they leave their junk cars in the front yard, I guess I'm responsible. I had done that in the past. I'm sorry to my neighbors for doing that, but it was my green machine, whatever. That's another comment to come. All right, but you have these neighbors. Are they a threat? Are they dangerous? What are you going to do to prevent it? What are you going to do to fight it? What are you going to do that? Now go on a macro scale. What if we had China had ballistic missiles in New Mexico or in Canada or whatever's going on, right? And you can argue that China's been waging a covert clandestine guerilla war against us by the through the use of fentanyl in the cartels and immigration and bringing in people who ate America. They've been waging this war for the last 30 years themselves, right? So think about what hope and finally, now we're doing something I think potentially about it. She had to be seen what the outcome will be. But Russia's thinking this Putin's thinking this. So all of a sudden you have the color revolution.

54:03The first really big global color revolution that I think came on my radar for sure. Like, oh, that is a different kind of thing right there. And basically, if you don't remember, there was a rigged presidential runoff. You had the pro Russian candidate, Yashenko, first Moscow back, Yukonovich, Yukonovich, and Yashenko survived Digitoxin exposure, Dioxin exposure, which is like a poison. Remember, his face turned all pockmarked and all this. And that disfigured his face, right? There were mass protests that came out, a court ordered rerun to which guess what? Yashenko won and he was pro Western. Now that put you basically made the hairs on Putin's neck stand up, right? And Putin perceives this whole thing as a Western run color revolution. Now keep that in mind. Western run color revolutions. Now, you know, this is

55:10connected to I think Trump's desire to get rid of USAID because all you have to go and punch in and we had a gentleman from the libertarian Overwatch come on and he talked about the historic history of color revolutions. And this is what he talked about. And there are ways the US government can initiate fund support through USAID, through the national endowment of democracy, through its funding of other sub NGOs, the Open Society Foundation, just to different judicial NGOs, immigration NGOs, and then outright, you know, organized crime as well too. So all of a sudden you have this color revolution, Putin's freaking out, it's on his doorstep, now he starts going. And I think this was a basically, there's been a lot of pundits who argument this was a dress rehearsal for what potentially could have taken place in Russia. The fulfillment or facilitation of a color revolution in Russia to what overthrew Putin who many Neocons always

56:18like to articulate Russia hates Putin, they don't like him, there's no support with him. And the 90% way he's elected is just fake, it's fake numbers and fake polling. When, you know, I guess we have fake polling in America as well too, but whatever. All right. So all the sudden this goes down and now I think Russia's on notice. Like NATO and the United States are actively engaged to put NATO on the doorstep of Russia with the ultimate desire being what to integrate Ukraine into it. Now the sudden you have a whole nother level of thing because remember Russia is now beginning to export even more energy overseas into Europe, right? And Europe is journey. Look up how much energy Europe was purchasing from Russia in 2004.

57:18All right. So Ukraine is the pipeline state, right? It is the main transit route for Russian gas to Europe, the 2006 and 2009 they call them the Russian gas wars, cut mid-winner supplies to the European homes and Moscow's proofs of concept for what? Energy blackmail. What was it in 2004, Jordy? In 2004, Russia was already the EU's largest single external energy supplier, especially for gas and oil. Natural gas, Russia supplied about 29% of the EU's total gas of imported gas, Russia was roughly 40 to 55, 40 to 45%. EU imports from Russia were about 4900 petajoules. Let's see, Germany was the biggest buyer. What else? Russia accounted for about 26% of the EU's oil supply, about 33% of crude oil imports, 189 million tons of crude oil imported from Russia.

58:26Okay. So again, what do we just establish? The EU gets a shit ton of gas from Russia, but more importantly, who gets the most? Germany, right? So Germany and Ukraine have always been this critical component of Russian politics, Russian engagement, Russian access, right? Whether it's ideological and go back, who was, who there were three people that were related that were in charge of Germany, England and Russia. Bring up those names for me and what the relationship was. All right. So you have the energy gas work. So what happened? You have Nord Stream 1 and 2 was built, basically to bypass Ukraine and separate Europe's gas from Ukraine's security, which was an ingenious idea, right? Now the Sun. All right. What'd you get for those? Who were those three? There were three royal cousins who ruled at the start of World War I. Oh my goodness.

59:32Kaiser Wilhelm, Kaiser Wilhelm II German Emperor King George to the fifth of United Kingdom and Zara Nicholas II of Russia. Now I tell you that and you like, rot, that's stupid. Why do you have to bring that relevant point in? Because I'm telling you, unlike America where, you know, our focus is in tranches of it seems like two years or it's like an election cycle. It's like every four years as how we're breaking down American historical relevance instead of 20 years at a time, 50 years, 100 years. But over in these areas, they're talking about hundreds of years of diplomatic relations and wars in the back and forth. And so not even, you know, 100 years ago, or actually a little over 100 years now, but when this was going down about a hundred years ago, the head of England, the head of Russia and the head of Germany were related. That's a relevant point you have to

1:00:35understand, right? Because there's deeper aspects of this than just the political ramifications of communism and Western democracy or all that. That's the fluff that we are sold on propaganda. What lies beneath are what? Right? It's, it's oil. It's power. It's banking. It's commodities. It's gold. It's all of these things that are the real drivers of the world and its economy, the world and its powered structure. That's the underlying component. And when you throw in 27, thousand nuclear warheads, that gives this country that's been in disarray that's now filling in and getting itself back together again. It gives it, it's a power. Nobody's going to go into Russia and a full out Russian invasion. Because why if they decide to launch, you know, 17 ballistic missiles at England, England's basically a parking lot. So this is a greater context. And that's

1:01:41why ultimately when you talk about the European Union, there's another sidebar. We're going to do another show about the European Union and how it came about and why. Because I'm following this new guy that I just found Elon Musk has been reposting him. And essentially he's been laying out the historical relevance of this guy. And he's Polish. And I think Poland plays a major role in all this information as well too. But he says brilliant historian and he's talking about these basic communists who, while they were jailed by Mussolini and back in the day, they concocted these ideas for the modern European Union, the UN, all these other things, right? The UN's a little bit broader because you had the oligarchs of the United States as well as as as Bank of England and all these other people that really kind of concocted the European. And the League of Nations prior to that and the Council for an affairs and all these, you know, these gloat, like, you know, these high-ranking

1:02:46elitist clubs that were ultimately moving towards a one-world government. It's like capitalistic communism if you want potentially. All right. So now you have the energy wars that take place. That's all having its regaining Russian commerce and their GDP is huge. Well then in Bucharest in 2008, you know, this is what took place. And this Bucharest summit, NATO summit declaration that Ukraine and Georgia in quotations will become NATO members. All right. So again, remember what I told you. It has nothing to do with the invasion of Russia into Ukraine in the winter of 2021. And by the way, a lot of that, if you don't, if you've forgotten what Kamala Harris said in a internet and a NATO security summit, oh yeah, Ukraine's going to be a NATO, right? And that's what

1:03:50they said. And they're very quickly after that. You know, there were comments by her and by President Biden, well, we're going to take out Russia's ability. We're in the Nordstrom one and two magically were blowing up. And and blame Russia for blowing up their own pipeline, which gives, which produces 40% of Germany's order and something like billions of dollars in revenue to Russia. We're going to just shoot ourself in a foot and blow up our own pipeline. So again, that's what's taking place. So at this Bucharest summit, they make this these two countries announced with no membership path, no timeline, no projection. Well, Putin being in the room was like, now I object, because remember, Putin has a seat on the UN Security Council, the overall governing body of international security and peace, right? But NATO and these other kind of US are like, no, no, we're going to make them, we're going to make them a part of NATO. Ukraine is going to and Georgia.

1:04:52And Georgia, if you don't know, plays a major role as a former Russian Federation as a USSR estate, because out of the Caspian Sea, you have the BTC pipeline that was being built. And how do I know? Because I was in Azerbaijan in05. And we actually tried, I was working for Blackwater, tried to get the security contract to protect the pipeline through Georgia and into Turkey. And into the, which was going to produce two billion, two million barrels of oil a day out of the Caspian to the European Union, right? Remember, Georgia has close affiliations with Russia. In fact, where was Stalin originally from? Georgia. Okay. Again, you got to look where's the money flowing. All right. So that basically really exacerbated Putin. He got pissed. Russia invaded Georgia. And pretty much everybody in the region was like, oh, shit, like Putin's piss now.

1:05:57And only the folks out of Brussels and the European Union and NATO were just like, oh, it's no big deal. We're going to keep the pressure on. So now 2010 to 2013, this was kind of the moment where everything really got advanced and exacerbated. Now also remember, where's the United States and this? Where eight, nine years into the global war on terror, most people are growing tired of it. What's the end result? What's the mission? What's this? We've spent, you know, I don't know, $64,000,000, $5,000,000. We haven't deposed the Taliban. Al Qaeda's left and reconstituted. Now we're getting into a civilian, we're initiating a civil war in Syria. We're meddling in Libya. We're messing around in all these other places. It's not just Iraq and Afghanistan. And so you coat of it, you coat of it, who wins the legitimate

1:07:01election in Ukraine. And this is all, remember, the color revolution in Ukraine did not stop the madness of Ukraine. So you have this post-color revolution chaos politically. You know, there's obviously the Russian influence. There's the West influence. There's NATO influence. There's Ukraine trying to figure it all out. And you know, you have the Krakhev pack, which extends Russia's black fleece seat lease to 2042. But in 2013, under Russian intense Russian pressure, Yanukovych abandons the EU Association agreement at the last minute. And Euro, Medan erupts. February 2014, 100 protesters are killed in Kiev. And Yanukovych flees to Russia. All right. So you have basically the guy who, you know, the post kind of color revolution guy who's

1:08:10trying to figure out what alliance is it NATO, is it European Union, is it Russia? And he basically says European Union screw you. We're more Russian than we are European. We always have been, if according to Putin, since the 1500s. And we're going to go there. Well, guess what? The Medan Revolution takes place. And if everybody just has to go back and do a little research on the Medan Revolution and see what protesters who was funding them, just type into your AI. Did USAID play or fund any NGOs actively working in Ukraine and the Medan Revolution. If you don't remember, we had Ole Miss, the late Lindsey Graham over there. We had John McCain over there. You know, you have Victoria Newland over there handing out waters on the streets and promoting Ukrainian independence and all this. And it basically, you know, that's what happened.

1:09:11There was the Medan Revolution. And there's this famous phone call between the ambassador, US ambassador to Ukraine and Victoria Newland basically gaming who they think would be the better leader for Ukraine. And you just got to Google search that, which is profoundly interesting. All right. Now, you know, a lot of people, immediate after this, the Donbass war initiates, which was led by people, the Russian back separatists that obviously Russia was saying in MH17 and July, was shot down by Russian supplied missiles. 298, actually, civilian aircraft was shot down. 298 civilians were dead. The Ukraine took after that the infamous Azov battalion began to wage a guerrilla war in the Donbass region against Russian influence over there. And there's some great

1:10:14documentaries about that. And I think and you had Minks 1 in September 14 in Minks 2. And these are agreements, but basically we were trying to broker ceasefires in this region that froze the war, but never resolved anything. You know, and so again, as you just use a little bit of deductive reasoning, starting back in the early 19s with nuclear proliferation worries and the concerns. And then as, America gained its stride and its dominance internationally, you start to have the expansion of NATO in 99, 04, all the way up to the most recent, where the most recent conflict or war began in the fall or the winter of 2021. Now, one of the interesting states, you know, the things that

1:11:22took place is, you know, there was an agreement of potential agreement between Zelensky and Putin. And then the other thing is Zelensky's background. If you're not familiar with the Zelensky's background, Zelensky was an actor. And he did, you know, he was a comedian, a very famous and prolific in Russian. And there was a guy who was very powerful in Ukrainian politics and Ukrainian media. He owned most of the large television stations. Well, in 2019 or 18, I think he built a TV show around Zelensky, which basically he was an actor that wanted to run for president of Ukraine. And it was under the guise of no war, like he was the peace president. And he ends up winning. And it's this glorious season. And, you know, it was one of the most successful TV shows. Why?

1:12:22Because this is Ukrainian oligarch who had very substantial connections to US, let's say, diplomats. If you remember a lot of what was taking place during that time, or actually prior to that back in 14. And so where you had Hunter Biden, Joseph Biden's son who was vice president at that time worked for this oligarch's gas company. You had some interesting dynamics going there. And then obviously when Biden came into office, there was some interesting commentary. There's the famous thing when he was vice president, where basically there was an investigation being run by a Ukrainian person in their DOJ, who was trying to investigate corruption, US corruption between these oligarchs and feeding money. They were putting money in and the money was going out. That was fascinating. There's something to look into there,

1:13:23which has been highly talked about. But now you have Zelensky, who's this actor. Well, that comes out. Well, guess what? In 19, they fund his actual running for president for the elections taking place. And because this guy pretty much dominated all of the major media, the top channels, all that. And with a profound assistance, you got to go out and look up who USAID was funding in terms of media funding. There's one article that I found that alleges that nine out of 10 media companies in Ukraine, over the last in the Biden, during the Biden administration, were being funded by USAID and some other government-US government-affiliated organizations. Zelensky goes in coincidentally just before what? Russia invades and instead of being the president for peace, Zelensky is basically shut down all

1:14:33political elections. He's chastised a lot of Russian Orthodox Christian churches because he believes there are a hotbed for espionage and information. He shut a bunch of them and prisoned a bunch of their bishops and priests. And it gets us to where, you know, over the last five years, we have roughly 1.5 million and that's, you know, nobody knows for sure how many Russian boys and Ukrainian boys have been annihilated in the meat grinder of the war, which is now in a complete stalemate from Donbass all the way through Crimea, Luntonsk, all these areas. And now we're where we're at. And I did that. I covered this a little bit in last week's episode about and the week in review about what's taking place over there. And now what you have is you have the rise in a nationalist organization, the AFD in Germany, which is struggling economically, is struggling

1:15:35with energy assets. There's some reports and I don't know if I'm trying to find the source of these and I haven't been able to, what's people are saying that potentially this winner that Russia is going to because actually look this up, Jordy, how much oil our natural glass on average per year has Russia supplied to EU and Germany since the war has been going on. So, you know, and another thing again, I just want to reiterate in 2003 or 23 in 2024, guess who also joined NATO, Sweden and Finland, thereby putting NATO right on the border of Russia. Again, not one inch eastward, back to James Baker. All right. What is it?

1:16:36Since Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine in 2002, EU and German purchases of Russian oil and gas have collapsed from pre-war levels, but if not gone to zero. So 2021, the share of EU gas imports supplied by Russia was about 45%. That's a lot. 2022, it was falling. 23 is about 15%. 24 was about 19%. 25 is about 13%. The pipeline was shut down again after Ukraine transit stopped. Yeah, that's going down. It's going down. And so what, how does that affect the economies of the European Union as well as the economies of Germany? And that's essentially where we're at, where you have the new head of the AFD, who just won a huge election last weekend. Basically now doubling down and saying we are not only going to pull ourselves out of the European

1:17:36Union, we don't need to be a part of NATO. We're going to kick all these immigrants that, that these globalists have left in. We're, we're going to reintegrate nationalism in Germany. We're going to be proud to be German. We're going to fortify our defenses. We're going to build up our economic might again. And guess what? NATO and the European Union are freaking out as a result of what's taking place. And so what do we have? We have a new invested interest in negotiations to which, you know, we also saw Wiccoff and Jared Kushner, who by the way are also involved in the strategic negotiations of some type of settlement in the Middle East, in Gaza. And so I just find it fascinating, you know, to understand and give you context to why this is going on and the relevance of scale. This is not something new. It's not an unprovoked attack

1:18:40like they want you to believe. That's a simplistic way. You have to recognize that life, politics, global politics, domestic politics, foreign affairs, espionage. None of this is what they want you to believe it is, which is black and white, good, verse evil. It's not that. I grow up. I ain't not to be harsh, not to be whatever, but I don't want you to feel like I'm doing condescending. But this is the reality of the situation we're in. These are hyper complex problems that are derivative of not some simplistic idea of democracy and freedom of people that are oppressed. You're talking about cultures that are thousands of years old, hundreds of years old, right? And you're talking about a legacy of revenge, a legacy of dominance, of what's taking place. And the context of England, Germany, and Russia is something that you have to understand.

1:19:47This is historically important that you realize the connections to all of these places. And then obviously our connection as the US and the role we play in all of these specific engagements in this diplomacy. It's much bigger than anything we would like it to be in terms of just binary, X and Y, or ones and zeros. It's just not the way it is. And again, we always like to say history repeats itself. But I don't know if it's repetition as much as human behavior is consistent. It's iterable. People seeking power, people seeking money, people seeking control. It's the same games that are played. They're just on a different scale.

1:20:48Unfortunately, the scale that we're talking about is a scale that could devolve into at a low end, a major regional war between the European Union, NATO and Russian, Russian allies, which include China, Iran, and other places, Pakistan, which is nuclear, and maybe Turkey, which is also part of the European Union. And there's a bunch of dust up that then was relative with their alleged and Turkey, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, in relation of a defense pack against Israel. And all of this is interconnected. And that's what's problematic about it. And so before you can make a conclusive decision or opinion on everything, like what we believe here at the show, Jordi and I, is that our mission is to educate you, to give you some greater context and details of why all of this matters.

1:21:49Because the only way you're going to be able to get involved, whether you pressure your congressman or a senator or your governor, or whether you how you invest or who you vote for, you have to be educated. Because I'll tell you one thing, I would much prefer not to go into a global war. I definitely would not prefer to go into a global nuclear war. And I would definitely prefer not to go into extracted and some extended long wars again, like we did in the global war and terror, where another generation of young American boys and girls are subjected to something that is really about globalization, conquest of power, the dominance of energy production, all the traditional things that have basically been fucking up the world for the last 100 plus years.

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