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In this remaster episode I'm talking to Carla Wills-Brandon about her book 'Heavenly Hugs: Comfort, Support, and Hope From the Afterlife'
Does life end at death? The answer is no!
The nearly 2,000 cases of departing visions and visitations from deceased relatives and friends collected by the author prove that there is life after death. At the moment of physical death, departed loved ones return to the dying to ease travel from this life to the next. Friends, family, and healthcare workers also report seeing these loving spiritual travel guides.
Such encounters--reported by individuals from a wide variety of cultural, ethnic, and religious backgrounds--clearly illustrate that the personality, soul, or consciousness does not disappear or "die."
To live our lives to the fullest, we must relieve ourselves of the false notion that death is the end. Departing visions help us do this.
Heavenly Hugs will introduce you to both historical and modern-day departing visions, proving:
The dying have been reuniting with the departed--for centuries
Departed loved ones escort the dying to the other side or next dimension
Something has often been seen leaving the physical body at the moment of death
Famous people have experienced beautiful departing visions
Bio
Carla Wills-Brandon always wanted to do two things professionally: be of service to others, and write. After receiving a scholarship to California State University, Fresno, she graduated with high honors and a degree in psychology. She then went on to finish a Masters Degree in Clinical Psychology from the California School of Professional Psychology, Fresno, an APA approved school. Her husband, Michael “Tex” Brandon, also received his PhD in Clinical Psychology from this institution. After publishing eight books, and developing a successful private practice as a State Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, Carla decided to go back to school. Not interested in treading a traditional education path she completed a two year course of study and dissertation in a Doctor of Philosophy in Holistic Nutrition program at Clayton College of Holistic Health. Her dissertation was titled “A Four Pronged Approach to the Holistic Treatment of Food Disorders.”
Carla has published 12 books, one of which was a "Publishers Weekly Best Seller." Her most recent book, “Beyond The Chase: Breaking Your Obsessions That Sabotage True Intimacy” is proving to be a great success. She has also lectured across the U.S. and U.K., and has appeared on numerous national radio and television programs, such as Coast To Coast Radio with George Noory, Geraldo Rivera, Sally Jesse Raphael, Montel Williams, Art Bell’s Coast To Coast Radio Show, Uri Geller’s Coast To Coast Radio Show and Politically Incorrect With Bill Maher. Considered a relationship and trauma expert, many of her media appearances have been dedicated to discussing healthy intimacy, recovery from sexual abuse and trauma resolution. She has also appeared on several programs with her husband Michael, as the two clinicians often see couples in their private practice as a couple.
Aside from her work with relationships, intimacy issues, sexual dysfunction, addiction, trauma resolution and grief, Carla has been investigating spirituality and other related phenomenon for over a decade. Her major radio show appearances have been dedicated to topics ranging from Near Death Experiences, After Death Communications, Deathbed Visions and Premonitions. She is considered to be one of the leading researchers into deathbed visions. In her private practice, grief work, lectures and workshops she teaches people how to integrate these unusual encounters into everyday living.
Currently, she is working on another project involving the mysterious departing visions of the dying. Carla and her family live on an island just off the coast of Texas in a 100-year-old historical home, which recently survived hurricane Ike in 2008. She and her husband, Dr. Michael Brandon Ph.D., a Licensed Clinical Psychologist, have been in private practice for over two decades. They have been married for over 40 years. The Brandons have two sons, Joshua and Aaron. Along with this, they have one Golden Retriever, four kitties, one Chinese box turtle, and two Love Birds. Sadly, the tarantula did not survive hurricane Ike.
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remastered episode,
and I'm your host Simon Bound.
I've recently gone back
and listened to some of the very first episodes,
and I was reminded just how much
valuable relevant insight they still offer.
So, I'm going to re-release one
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In this episode,
Carla Will's Brandon talks about her book,
Heavenly Hugs,
Comfort, Support,
and Hope from the afterlife.
Carla has been investigating
spirituality and other related
phenomenon for over a decade.
Her major radio show
appearances have been dedicated to
topics ranging from near-death experiences
after death communication,
deathbed visions,
and premonitions.
She is considered to be
one of the leading researchers
into deathbed visions.
Thank you for coming on to the podcast.
You're very welcome.
Thanks for inviting me.
Your book, Heavenly Hugs,
is sort of all about deathbed visions
and that kind of thing.
Can you tell us what a deathbed vision is?
A deathbed vision
has been found
since who knows when.
I'm working on another book
where I'm having to do research,
historical,
archaeological research
into this stuff.
And I'm amazed
to find how far back
these accounts can be found.
I'll give you an example.
There is this rabbi
and he was getting ready
to cross over to pass.
And so he was laying on his deathbed.
And all of a sudden,
he saw his teacher
and he saw his father
at his bedside.
Now, they had preceded him
in death.
That's an example of a
departing vision.
That's just one kind.
Another kind would be
the type I had with my sister
who passed away a couple of months ago.
I had this strange dream
where she had come to me
and she had her backpack on
and the shoes she always wore
and the cords she always wore
and she said,
okay, I'm going to go now.
I know it's sort of like,
wow, you're so cocky.
You know, I guess some things
never change or invading my dreams.
And then,
later on that afternoon,
we received a call
but yes, she had indeed moved on.
So those are just two types
of departing visions.
One is for the person
who is getting ready to move on.
And one for the person
who is at the bedside
or who is a dear one
or a loved one who survives.
Many of us get
very confused
when we see this stuff
or hear this story.
And we get very confused
when we see this stuff
or hear this stuff
because our problem is
back in the day,
this is commonplace.
This is not something
that was unusual.
It was not unusual for somebody
who was getting ready to move on
to look at astonishment
in a corner
and then say
to relatives,
do you see that?
Do you see what I'm seeing?
And then describe
visions of an afterlife.
So
when we got into the
mechanical air,
what happened?
The scientific error.
We stopped talking about this stuff.
We decided it was superstitious.
I remember my grandmother
and my family
on that site is from Russia.
And there was just a rich,
rich tradition
and understanding that
this was just the way it was
and it was not a big deal
and nobody got their feathers rattled.
That a departing vision
was actually a sign
that
this dear one
was preparing to pass.
So
in my work, what I do
is if I'm dealing with somebody
who is not doing well,
when I start hearing about
these sorts of experiences,
or if they start doing
the deathbed stare.
The deathbed stare
is another type of departing vision
which is really misunderstood.
There is a friend of mine
who has a mother right now
who is preparing to pass.
And it may be months,
it may be weeks,
it may be days.
And sometimes she's here
and sometimes she's not.
Well, every once in a while,
she'll just stop cold
in her tracks
and she'll start staring
at a corner of the room.
My grandmother did this.
Stay at the corner of the room
and then turn back
and have a lucid conversation
with the son
or the granddaughter
or the daughter
or the granddaughter
or whoever is sitting there
at the bedside.
So those are just a few
of the types of departing visions
that I've been working with for years.
It's that classic
hospital sort of scenario
where somebody's lying in their bed
and they start talking to somebody
that we can't see.
Are there ever scenarios
where the people in the room
can also see the spirit
of the thing?
Well, I had one account
which was fantastic
in my opinion.
And yes, there are those
experiences.
There are those experiences
where the person
who is preparing to move on
suddenly looks towards the door
and sees bright light.
Or they'll see a deceased
relative coming through the door.
At the same time,
somebody at the bedside
will have the same experience.
So that's not unusual.
That's less reported
because people just don't
feel comfortable talking
about this stuff.
When they try to talk
to the medical community
about things of this nature,
what happens is that
either they're put on
tranquilizers or
put on tranquilizers.
So there's a real
misunderstanding in the medical
community. Thankfully,
there are a few folks
who have some clout
who are breaking this myth.
And they've done some research
in nursing homes
in the VA
to show that, look, you know,
these things are real
and these things are happening
in the medical community.
I remember
when my mother-in-law started
having these experiences.
Excuse me.
I had to take a sip of Pepsi.
I remember my mother-in-law
when she was passing
and she began to have
visions of my father-in-law
whom she called
and saw the
in Russian.
It's a pet name.
And so she started talking
about how saw this here
and started having a conversation
with him.
And the hospice nurse
of all the people you would think
she would have known better.
The hospice nurse
went running to the doctor
for medication.
And we had to escort her
so basically what we told her is,
look, we know how to do death.
That's okay. You can leave.
But she started having
these experiences
where she was talking to Solva
and then
but she wasn't going to go.
Oh, God forbid. No, no, no.
She wasn't going to go
because she was waiting for something.
And what she was waiting for
actually turned up.
Her mother who died in the gas chambers
of Auschwitz
Kasia showed up
to take her to the other side.
And once Kasia showed up
there's this huge healing that took place.
It was awesome,
awesome to watch.
People who have trauma
in their history
any type of trauma in their history.
If they have a departing vision
chances are
who they're waiting for
for a person
who might have
saved them from the trauma
or been there for them during the trauma.
That's not unusual.
I mean,
in this next book I'm working on,
I'm working on specifically
Holocaust survivors
who have had departing visions.
And I'm finding that
it's not unusual
for Holocaust
individuals
who are the daughters
or granddaughters
or great grandchildren
of Holocaust survivors.
We'll wait.
That they will wait.
I mean, death is a mystery.
There's a lot to it.
We just don't know.
But unfortunately,
we think we know.
We think we know.
And so we think the right medication
is going to take care of it.
It was not in pain.
She was having a very animated conversation
first with her husband.
And then
with her mother.
So,
in my opinion,
I think that
what happens in society
is that we get too full of ourselves.
I'm going to just be blunt.
We get way too full of ourselves.
And we think we know it all.
And so when we start hearing about
afterlife contact events,
a lot of us just kind of poo poo it.
You know, it's sort of like,
well, that's ridiculous.
Or that's, you know,
I am the all with all.
I can't tell you how many times
I've heard that.
And it drives me nuts.
I'm the all with all.
And you don't know what you're talking about.
And that could be a hallucination.
And
it does infuriate me.
I'm sorry.
I'm just not that healthy to not get infuriated.
Especially when it comes to the comfort
that these experiences bring.
These experiences
are near death experiences.
Except the person doesn't come back.
They don't come back.
What happens for them is that they
they really do move on.
And it actually helps the person in the process
of making that transition.
I don't think I answered your question at all.
I just asked if there are reports of other people
in the room seeing the visiting spirits basically.
Oh, let me answer that really quick.
There was a guy who I know
who was with his relative
who was preparing to pass.
And all of a sudden there were these,
what he described as angels coming down stairs.
And he was not the guy who was getting ready to pass.
At the same time his relative saw the same thing.
And there are accounts.
I have tons of accounts where people will see
a departed loved one.
If not by themselves without, you know,
just a visitation.
My husband saw his father sitting in our
parlor where we have a hundred-year-old house.
And in our parlor after he departed,
that's called an after-death communication.
A woman at the facility where my father and law was staying
also saw this individual.
That's an individual experience.
But combined experience, yes.
It kind of blows the poor person away.
Who's the one who's sitting at the bedside
when they do see that deceased relative at the same time
that their loved one who's transitioning
sees this deceased person too.
So that's just one of many accounts.
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There's also a couple of accounts in your book
where people see something rise from the body,
some kind of vaipa,
or mist or something.
That's my favorite topic.
And okay.
Way back in the day,
in the Victorian times,
there were these researchers.
And a medium ship was really something.
I went to Arthur Finley,
and I'm a, I'm a,
I don't know what I am,
but I'm a medium.
And I have to have mentorship
because my brain is my worst enemy.
And so,
not only had I received a lot of,
a very counts about this,
but at the same time,
while studying at Arthur Finley,
while studying at Arthur Finley,
I read about a lot of accounts like this.
I mean, they're so numerous.
Previous to that,
all I had were the accounts I received from people,
after doing a radio show like this,
or letters,
or people who wanted to participate
in one of my books.
And so,
previous to hearing about all of this historical data,
what happened was,
my cousin, Yvonne,
her mother escaped
Eastern Europe,
and she made it to the States.
Otherwise, she,
she wouldn't have survived.
And she came here,
and she couldn't,
she was a practicing dentist,
She had a pair of pins.
When they came to this country,
they couldn't practice their trade.
So, they had to take a step down
and do something else.
So, she was the dentist
and practiced.
But when she came to the States,
she just, you know,
she was a receptionist
for my uncle,
who was a physician.
But,
she got very sick very suddenly.
And my cousin was with her at that time, and so was her husband.
And as the ambulance roared up to the scene, my cousin saw a gray miss leave Antirine's
body.
Now my uncle did not see this, but Yvonne did, and it made an imprint on her.
An imprint is we have an experience like that, and it just sticks with us, it remains
with us.
No matter what anybody says, you know, we may not tell anybody about it, but we keep it
close to our heart, and we know that it's something real, that it's something.
So she had her experience, and then when my father-in-law was preparing to pass, both
my sister and I saw a grayish sort of light around him, and my sister, she started
telling my father-in-law, who was a die-hard atheist, you know, ex-communist who had escaped
the war, and then gone back as a medic and lost a ton of family.
She kept saying to him, go to the lights, go to the lights.
And then made him so mad, but he was also waiting for something to, before he left.
He was waiting for Hanukkah to move on because he knew that my sons really enjoyed that
holiday.
A lot of people will hold off on passing because they want to wait for a special date.
Many adults recently just did that, and I will think of it later.
But he passed on to Friday the 13th after the 10 o'clock news in my husband's arms.
It's not uncommon for people to wait until after an anniversary, a holiday, but needless
to say, before I go wandering off into the wilderness, my father-in-law was in, I think
he was in the hospital, and my husband said that he was going to go spend some quality
time with him.
And I said, sure, I think that's a great idea.
And so when he came back, he said, you're not going to believe this.
And he said, I saw swirls of pastel light living in my father's body.
And I said, well, that means that he's getting ready to move on pretty soon.
And at that time, as I said, I hadn't really studied these historical accounts.
And what I learned when I did that was that there were all sorts of examples, almost like
a pair, mere body shape, floating above the body of the person who's getting ready to
move on.
Of the mist, a lot of accounts of the mist.
But the one that was the most fascinating was the body that replicated the human body
and then it was standing by the body.
There are pictures.
I've got them in my other room that artists have painted in the 1400s, where there are
these examples of the spirit body, leaving the physical body.
Now when you have so many of those from so many different cultures depicting the same thing,
you have to go, hmm, wonder what that's about.
When all these different cultures, all these different artists are putting on paint, the
same experience at the death bed.
It does make one go, hmm.
So I love getting these accounts.
I absolutely do.
In one of my books, I think it's, isn't that terrible?
I can't remember my books, senior moment crowd, spiritually transformative experiences.
I mean, in that book, I have a whole chapter devoted to the mist experience and how people
can often be sitting at the bedside and see something physically leading the body.
I was in a meeting years ago and it happened to be in an AIDS coalition building, where a
lot of people, it was in the late 80s, early 90s.
There was the Holocaust of AIDS that was just really, really detrimental.
When I was sitting there and I saw a mist float across the room, well, a lot of people
like to get woo-woo and say, well, that's a ghost and this is this and this is your imagination.
I think that that was the spirit of somebody who had received help from the AIDS coalition.
Another time, this is kind of a strange story, but I'm going to tell it anyway.
I don't think I've ever told it on air.
We had this cat who showed up on our front porch and she just showed up and she was old and
feeble and she walked right into our house and made herself at home and she had the worst
yowl of any animal I've ever owned and she got very, very sick after a few months and
so I had to put her down myself and at the moment I put her down, my husband saw a light
of some sort leaving the area of the room where I was putting her down and going out the door.
So as I said before, there is so much we don't know about death.
I have a friend in Russia who has been working on measuring the size of the spirit forever
and ever and he's been poo-pooed a lot too.
He'll have confronted him and said that, well, you know, you don't know how many liquids
leave the body and the gases that leave the body and the this and the that and he just goes
on his business and does what he needs to do.
So not everybody sees the mess, I'm going to be really honest about that.
It seems to be something that people will see suddenly, they'll just suddenly notice
it and in the moment of the trauma, they'll notice it but they won't get enthralled with
it.
It's not until after the event that they reflect and they go, wow, what was that?
So and as I said, the mist that I have encountered, the mist that I have documented have been pastel,
they have been gray, they have been silver, they have been a variety of color and I don't
know what to say about that because I don't have the answer to that right now.
Hopefully somebody or someone like me will get some get some information on that.
I think it's just totally, totally fascinating and it does make sense because this physical
body that we are in, it's carbon and a bunch of water basically.
And so it's biological, it's very, very biological and I'll talk to people who have lost
a loved one and they won't want to go to the funeral because they don't want to see the
corpse because they feel that the corpse won't represent the real person.
My mother, when she passed, I remember looking into her coffin, it did not look like
her at all.
There was no life there.
And to from the mouth of babes, I'll never forget when my son, he was 16 years old.
His grandmother had died.
He told me he wanted to see her body.
I said, okay.
And we went and took a peek and he said, yeah, that's right, nobody's there.
So he knew nobody was there.
No essence, no life essence, no spirit, no soul, no person.
The vehicle that carried the soul, the spirit, was going back to earth and that all that
was, you know, and that the spirit had vacated the body.
So there's something that leaves the body.
I am very, very confident in saying that.
Another thing I read in the book that I thought was very interesting was when you went to
Raymond Moody's and you had something happen to you in the psychomentium.
That was, I've been a medium all my life and my mother was a medium and my grandfather
was a medium and the only one who didn't get the memo was me.
So I'd been having these experiences all my life starting with my mother and I'd
wrestled with it a lot.
I met Raymond in San Antonio at an IAN's conference and he is a character.
That's all I can say.
He really is a character.
Well he invited me and maybe four or five other people to his place and I can't remember
in the south somewhere.
He lived, he lived at that time in a millhouse, an old millhouse that had been transformed
into a home and it was right on a river and it was just a beautiful, beautiful setting.
And at that time he was studying what was called the psychomentium.
The psychomentium was based on the seer going into an ancient times.
The seer, the person who's the prophet or above the prophet, going into a cave and staying
there until they had a vision.
And so what he did is he built these psychomantiums to kind of replicate that experience.
In his house, I think he had, there was one that was made out of blankets and one I went
in there, I thought I was going to die because it was so hot, I thought I was going to suffocate.
And then there was another one that he had built into his house and then there was one
that some mechanically minded person had put together for him and it was upstairs.
There may have been one more, I can't really remember, but no alcohol was allowed, no cigarettes,
no drugs.
We had a vegetarian meal and he would lecture us about the history of the psychomentium about
how these people, these prophets, these seers would be asked to have a vision by the king
or the emperor or whoever to reveal information about certain situations that would help them
get through whatever trauma they were going through.
And I thought it was fascinating.
And his house was full of books, they were stacked everywhere and it was fun just to
kind of roam around his house and sit down on the stair and just kind of pick up a book.
But anyway, we all went through these psychomantiums and after dinner, I was so tired, I really
just wanted to go up and sleep.
But something told me, Carly, you need to go in that one last psychomantium that was mechanically
put together.
Now what these looked like were, even the one that was a blanket one, the cave that was
made of blankets, that's what I like to call it.
There was a mirror hung on the wall, that was it, a chair, no lights, no nothing.
That was it.
And it was pitch black, dark in these things.
And so I remember going into the one that he built into his house.
And I remember just sobbing and my grandmother had passed and my grandfather wasn't looking
really well and all of that older generation, all the people who had been my anchors were
moving on.
And so I had been grieving for all of them.
And so I went into the built-in one and sobbed and sobbed and sobbed and sobbed for everybody
who had been there who was moving on.
And that was very healing, but I didn't really have any experience.
And then after dinner, I went into this last one.
And in this last one, I sat down and I thought, okay, we'll see what happens here, we'll
give this a whirl.
And after about five or ten minutes, all of a sudden, this mist began to come out of
the mirror.
It poured out of the mirror.
And at first, it scared me, it really scared me because I didn't know what it was, it
was out of my realm of experience, it was the unknown.
And so I said to myself, we're here to learn, we're here to learn, we're here to learn.
And as I said, that more of the mist came out and then it, now I want you to listen to
me while I'm talking about this.
I want you to see how imprinted this is upon me, even though this happened several decades
ago.
But this experience is so imprinted upon me that I can still describe it in detail.
I can't describe what I got at the grocery store yesterday, but that's what happens with
these experiences is that they imprint on the brain and the emotions come back.
So I began to see these orbs, the mist moved into the shape of orbs and these orbs started
circling me and the temperature inside the psychomantium dropped a little bit.
And then I felt one of the orbs go through my left side in my chest heart area.
That was the most intense feeling of love I had ever had in my life.
Even some, but it comes along and they open up the psychomantium, they don't even knock
just over and they say, how are you doing in here?
I said, oh, I'm doing fine, I'm doing okay.
And then they closed the door and of course the mist had gone away, but it came right back.
It came back.
And so a continued to circle, the orbs continued to circle around me and I just kind of sat
there feeling I knew it was all of my relatives who had moved on.
I knew it was the spiritual essence of all of them and that they were there to reassure
me that everything was okay.
And I've had this doesn't meet and I've had the same experience since then that net
not nearly as strong as this.
But then some yokel did come along, I left the door and said, it's my turn now, you need
to get out of there.
That was the end of the experience, but I was so moved by it, I didn't know what to
make of it.
I didn't know what to make of it at all.
And so when I got out of the apparatus, I had to go to the back and outside and I just
sobbed and sobbed and sobbed and sobbed.
And I didn't sob because I was sad, I sobbed because it was so beautiful.
It was such a beautiful experience and that it was one that I wasn't real quick to share.
I told Raymond about it and I never put it in any books, I never talked about it publicly.
I just wanted to hold on to it because it was so special and it was mine.
Eventually I did put it in, what is the name of that spiritually transformative experiences.
And so that's something that I'm not asked about very often, but I can tell you for a
fact that when I do start talking about it, the imprints, the emotions, the memories,
the just seeing it all is so incredibly strong that it brings back the whole experience and
I'm very grateful I had it.
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Was it very therapeutic?
It was therapeutic in a sense that there was a lot, from that point on, I always knew that
my relatives on the other side were there for me, always, I've always known that.
We have arguments, we have arguments, every once in a while I get mad when my sister
passed away, I was angry at my mother for spoiling her, so we had words, because we have
to remember that those that transition to the other side of the same people, it's not
like they become angelic beings, you know, who have been hit on that head with the fairy
wand.
They go to the other side and the journey continues, the spiritual evolution continues.
So if I'm doing a reading, it's not unusual for someone to present themselves, someone
from the other side to present themselves in their spiritual evolution on the other side.
So the way I look at it today is I can't reach out and really touch them physically, but
I did learn from that experience is that they're there, for sure.
And so for, I've had, I almost died a couple years ago, I had a mercer thing in one of
my knees.
And so I've had to have a couple of knee replacements and some other ugly stuff.
And I knew all my relatives were there.
I knew every single one of them were there.
And I always know when they're there.
So and that, that instance, yes, it was therapeutic.
At that point, I recognized for sure that this is an evolution.
And do you ever get any information about reincarnation?
Is that something that you believe is a reality?
I think it's a choice.
That's just me.
I think that some people choose to do that.
I think people can also choose to be part of a spirit team.
Oh, we are going off to the, we're going to wander off here a minute.
A spirit team is a group of spiritual, spiritual individuals on the other side who as a part
of their own evolution choose to be of assistance to somebody who's here.
And we can have thousands, I mean thousands of these people, these spirit people working
with us.
And I believe that they help us get through trauma and drama and life if we ask, they're
not going to interfere with our lives because we have free will.
But that is their choice.
It's their choice to be in that position.
And then I believe that there are others who pick up the choice of reincarnating for
whatever reason.
So like I said, I think there's so much about all of this that we don't know that we're
too hoarded and too toyed to really take a look at that.
I know I have a spirit team.
I have a spirit team that helps me when I'm in a bad spot that helps me when I do readings
that helps me when has helped me trim it into this way through all these health issues.
And so I think the possibilities are even more than we realize.
So those are the only ones that I'm really aware of.
Looking back to your book, you talk about a book called Death Bed Visions by Sir William
Barrett.
Could you tell us a little bit about that book?
Okay.
Sir William Barrett's book was published after his passing.
And he was a physicist.
I mean, he was a renowned physicist.
And he was kind of like atheist.
He didn't believe in anything's real spiritual.
And he was married to a gynecological surgeon.
And so neither of them woke up one day and said, Hey, we're going to go into afterlife
contact.
It just didn't happen that way.
What happened was that his wife and her work began to notice that the people she was
treating would oftentimes say out loud, Oh, there's my father standing next to the bed
or, Oh, there's my mother.
Back in the day, there were people who would be in the armed forces, World War One.
And they would be sitting in their tents.
And their loved ones, of course, would be far, far away on the other side of the world.
And they would suddenly see the materialization of a sister or brother or somebody.
And when they would see these materializations, they didn't know what to make of them.
In one instance, there were two soldiers and they both saw the materialization of one
of the men's sister.
Then months later, and they would receive information about how the sister had passed.
So they had seen the sister at the moment of her passing, but because they didn't have
Wi-Fi or internet or cell phones, it took a while for the information to get there.
And so they couldn't really talk about it openly with this situation, this other situation.
When the gynecologist would perform surgeries and these women would come close to death and
they would have these experiences one after another, it was the first time they really
couldn't be ignored.
And so she and her husband started taking a look at the consistency from account to account.
They wanted to see, okay, are these hallucinations or are these, is there really something going
on?
And so what they discovered were several things.
They discovered that when a person was passing, let me just tell the story, it's easier.
There was a woman who was preparing to pass and she saw one of her really good friends,
slash cousins.
And she said, oh, look, there's, you know, so and so.
And then she said something about her father being there and her father, I think, had passed.
Now, this cousin, friend person had passed while this other woman was in the hospital dying.
So she would not have known in any way, shape or color form that her friend had passed,
no way.
When she was told that her friend had passed, she was shocked.
She was almost shocked and she would say, no, no, she's right over there.
She's right there and she's waving at me.
And so that's an account where somebody is passing.
And then they see somebody else who has passed, but they didn't know they had passed.
There were a couple of presidents, US presidents who had a similar experience and I'm not
even going to name them because I'll get it wrong.
There one was passing and without being told knew that the other one had already passed.
So this couple, what they did is they collected these accounts and they discovered that they
were comforting.
They discovered that children, if children were in these visions, they didn't have angel
links.
So for years and years and years, what had happened is that advertisements had put
on people who are passing or who are in heaven or who are on the other side.
And what they discovered is that there were no wings on these on people in the next
realm.
They discovered that they looked the same as they did before they passed.
So they put together this list of consistencies and then they tried to present it at some
of these, you know, back then, Victorian cycle, psychic, psychic organizations, institutions
and they got, they got, oh, you know, Shushu on down the road with you a lot.
They weren't taken seriously, we'll put it that way.
And as I said, the book, the little book, it's a very thin little green book, I have an
original copy.
It was one of the first books in the modern era, if you call the Victorian age, the modern
era that discussed this.
Now on down the line, there came a couple of other scientists and one is named Haroldson.
He's still living.
And he and his partner decided to replicate what the folks in the first study had done.
And so what they did is they put together a big, big survey, huge, huge survey.
It's put, you can find the survey in the hour of death.
That's the name of the book.
And so what they did is they put together this huge survey asking all these questions about
what did you see as death drew near and they passed it out to nurses and doctors and
had them fill it out and they did not call it a deathbed vision.
They called it hallucination because they knew that if they said deathbed vision, that
people would just, they wouldn't take the study seriously.
And what they found were similarities to the first study done in 1924.
So they were doing their study starting in the 50s, I think.
And so what their study proved was that if an individual had a departing vision, there
are much better patient.
So you could have a patient who is incredibly death phobic.
And they would have one of these experiences.
And then all of a sudden they would be very, very, they would change.
They would be like this radical change in them.
They would be, the fear would be gone.
They would feel comfortable with the concept and idea of passing.
They would be more concerned with those they are going to be leaving behind.
So they found a lot of characteristics that were similar to the first study.
Now since then Peter Feinstein who is another researcher and he is in your neck of the
woods, he did studies in nursing homes and hospitals.
He hooked up with a woman who is a registered nurse in Ireland and replicated the study.
And you know what?
It's consistent.
It's consistent.
The people who come to visit are not the person that is the grocery clerk, the checks out
their groceries.
It's not somebody they just met.
It's not the person that traumatized them.
I get that question all the time.
I don't want to be greeted by the person who molested me or hurt me.
But there is always a greeting with some spirit person or persons who have come to escort
us to the other side and show us what it's going to be like over there.
And it has all the characteristics of the departing vision.
The only difference is that the person who has the near death experience comes back.
Or as the person who has the departing vision, they carry on and they make the transition
to the other side.
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That consistency across all those years, that really tells us something, doesn't it?
The people are not just hallucinating all sorts of crazy things.
Yes, because when I had the departing vision with my sister and then she passed away, I think
she passed away at that moment.
When that sort of thing takes place, and then we find that there are other accounts that
are just like that, where somebody comes to visit and they come to say, I love you and
goodbye.
I'll still be here.
I'm sorry I have to go.
When that kind of stuff comes up, that's consistency.
When you have a patient who's been very combative and difficult and death-bobic and all of a sudden,
my mother-in-law was the most death-bobic person on the planet, on the planet, but when
she had this experience with her husband and her mother, all of a sudden she felt comforted
and she was not scared anymore.
That's the biggest gift is that there's this sense of fear evaporates, and it also can
help with pain reduction.
You have somebody who is...
They're just going through a really, really rough time.
They're scared of death.
They grew up in a family where people didn't talk about death.
They went to church, yes, but they never talked about death and reality.
Children were sequestered away from death because people thought it would hurt them to see
a corpse, just all of that stuff that has gone on in our society for the last number
of decades around death.
We have a whole society of people who are passing right now, who grew up with that, and
there was a woman who had a Holocaust and what happened with the Holocaust, but also people
who were in Germany who didn't do anything, who had nothing to do with the Nazis, went
through a lot of trauma, a lot of trauma, and scientifically researching that, and we
see that their responses are exactly like that of a Holocaust survivor.
This friend of mine had had an experience like that.
When the Allies came in to Germany, she was put in a camp at the age of 20.
She had a really, really rough time.
She was on her deathbed, and all of a sudden she started speaking in German.
When people are preparing to pass, a lot of times, if they have another tongue of origin,
if they're French, or if they're Italian, or if they're Russian, my mother-in-law started
speaking Polish, and we had to get her to Western.
But they will begin to speak in a different language.
My friend started speaking in German, and her husband said to me, what do I do?
I said, talk to her in German.
What we discovered was that she was having conversations with somebody about her history,
her past history.
It was an incredibly healing experience for her, because we've been atheists of life.
I think that the medical world has a lot to learn from these encounters when it comes
to palliative care and taking care of patients.
But the so many medical staff just dismiss it, and they say it's imagination or hallucination
or something.
And they want to give them drugs.
Well, they want to give them drugs.
They don't care for the family very well.
I haven't seen very many hospice people be attentive in these situations.
Hospice comes in, and they provide the drugs for care, which is fine.
I don't think anybody should have to die in massive pain.
But I don't think that an overload of drugs is a good thing either.
And they tried to give my mother-in-law who had no pain whatsoever drugs, and we told
them to get out.
So a lot of people, they have these events, but the sad thing is, here's the sad thing.
I have another friend in Italy, and his son died, and it was a very, very sad thing.
And when his son was dying, he looked out the window, and he saw his relatives and
spirits, some of his relatives and spirits.
With lucidity, he turned to his father and told his father about this.
This was incredibly healing for his father because his father, Claudio, knew where his
son was going, and he knew his son would be okay.
So here you have this massive healing for this entire family, which wouldn't have happened
if the son was over-medicated.
Does that make sense?
So a medication to a point to make somebody comfortable, I would not have wanted my mother
to be suffering so badly with the cancer.
She came to me at the moment of her passing, and she just let me know that she was moving
on, and that she cared for me, and that was very healing for me.
What would have happened if she had been over-medicated, totally over-medicated?
I just, there are so many things that go on at the moment of passing, and so we have
people who like to, they're skeptical, and they put their pen in their pocket, and they
want to explain all this stuff away, they drive me nuts.
And Wikipedia, the only place I'm listed in Wikipedia, is as a nut job by a major skeptic.
Well, this certain person, this is a person who is so death-phobic, I'm not going to
mention names, but so death-phobic that they have come up with all these different reasons
for why the departing vision is not real.
Even though every single one of these explanations have been, they've been researched and dismissed,
they still keep talking about, well, it's the dying brain.
It's not the dying brain, that's been dismissed, that's been measured, quantified, it's not
the dying brain.
Well, it's medication, over-medication, well, no, that's not any there.
Well, it's the illness that's making it happen.
And no, because research has shown that it doesn't, the illness can be different from
person to person, and one can still have a death-bedder departing vision.
So these guys are making a lot of money on television.
Television companies love having these skeptic guys on TV, and they spout off their words
of wisdom, which don't make any sense to me, and then they get paid a whole lot.
So they have an investment, they have an investment in keeping these myths going.
And so what happens is that you have medical students who come in, and they're first or
second-year.
Trying to talk to them about departing visions is like sticking a knife in one's heart
and twisting it.
It's kind of...
They're really that bad.
It's bad, it's bad.
I lived down the street from one of the largest medical schools in the country, and I wanted
to replicate Heralton and Oasis's study, but I did.
I tried to present this study, which had been replicated so many times, to the board,
the Palette of Care Board at this institution, and they basically said, no, they said, no.
These are people who are working in the field of Palette of Care.
And I was shocked, absolutely shocked.
So I could not do the study on my own, it would have been way too expensive, and so I felt
very sad about that.
But that's not uncommon.
A lot of money is spent on cancer, which is, you know, cancer is a deadly disease, but
I think that Palette of Care is with all of the boomers coming to a place where they're
beginning to transition, and you know, how can we make this a better situation for not
only them, not only their families, but for us.
How can we do that?
I think it's a very important task, and I don't see it.
I just don't see it around here.
Once in a while, somebody will send me a dissertation on departing visions that they're,
you know, doing, and they just, they want to, an okay or something for me, but that's
it.
I mean, I just don't see huge studies outside of Peter Feinstein and a few others in
the UK, and over here, I just can't really think off the top of my head of anybody doing
anything that's spectacular.
Outside the VA, now this is interesting, the VA picked up the baton, and they decided
to do research on vets who are passing, and they basically got the same results.
Well, it means something, doesn't it?
Yeah, it does.
It does mean something.
Yeah.
It means that something's going.
We've come up to a full time now.
Okay.
It's been great.
I'm so glad you talk.
And you explain so much.
I'm glad.
I'm glad.
And if anybody has any questions, they can definitely contact me on Facebook, just plug
in Carla Will's brand and then you will find me.
Can people get your books, they're on Amazon, aren't they?
Yeah.
Just go to Amazon and plug in Carla Will's brand and, and I'll tell you the truth.
I'll tell you a secret.
I buy all my books back used.
You can fit in them for a really good deal.
So, you know, be sure to check out the Abe's books and some of these used book venues.
You can get a, you can get a good deal, plus there's there on Kindle.
I think some of them are also on whispernet.
So yeah, you can find me and you can find them.
Do you have your own website?
Yes, it's www.carlowertheC, Will's W-I-L-L-S brand and B-R-A-N-D-O-N.
Oh yeah, dot com, that's right.
Okay, thank you very much for giving us your time and explaining so much for us.
Thank you so much.
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