DEEP DIVE: CYBORG COCKROACHES

0:00We know where to use makeup. Welcome to the Deep Dive where the difference between a conspiracy and the truth is six months. My name is Jack. I'm here with Lex. Happy Thursday. Almost the weekend once again. It's nice when you have a four day week. Everything feels discombobulated in a good way. I thought it was like September 2nd and I looked at the calendar and I'm like, it is the eighth. How did that happen? No. I know. Which means we're almost to October spooky season baby. Unless you're Alexis, you already have your spooky town set up ready to go.

1:00Literally this weekend, Matt went to our storage unit to get like our giant pumpkins, which I'm excited about. You guys have a storage unit? Yeah. See, we need one. Jared is very serious about how clean he keeps our garage, but I'm like, where are you supposed to put the Christmas decorations then or the Halloween or our giant skeleton? We just have him like put up in different parts around our garage, but that is a good idea. Yeah. And they're like not that much. It's honestly worth keeping the clutter out of your place. That's so true. And they're all like fire resistant. They're just a good idea. All right. And then you just like, then you're true, Krama Jason and the storage unit. That's right. With everybody else putting God knows what in there is, you know, maybe living in them. Who knows? That is very true. Well, before we start today's episode, of course, and each remind you if you want more first degree content, you can do that. We have this place called the Underground.

2:00It's all we're all of our premium content lives. One brand new episode every single week plus hundreds of backlogged episodes that you will never run out of time listening to. How do they join the Underground Lacks? So you can join the Underground through Apple subscriptions or you can join through Patreon and listen through the Patreon app or you can link your Spotify. And soon all of our Underground, first the Underground premium content will also be on YouTube. But right now we just have all of our content on YouTube. But soon it will be the option for our premium stuff there too. And then you can watch, which is, I don't know, the feedback has been great. Yeah. You can watch us right now on YouTube, right? 100% Woohoo! I need to start putting makeup on for these stupid episodes. My big mug is going to be on YouTube. The other thing I wanted to remind everybody of is if you didn't know we have a book club, I, we love it so much. It's like our favorite thing that we do every single month. This month we are reading the talented Mr. Ripley.

3:02Have you started it yet? And know how is it? I love it. It's definitely not our normal type of book. It's a little bit. It's interesting in like a weird way that I didn't think that I would be in two, but I'm like really feeling it. And apparently the movie is amazing. I saw the movie long ago, but I'm just stunned that you, just here you say you love it. You're a tough critic. I am. And like I said, it's not usually a type of book that I would like, but there's something about it. And I'm reading the, I'm listening to the audiobook and the audiobook guy has like a very pompous accent. It's not British, but it's like transatlantic. It's not really, but like a tiny bit, but so it makes everything sound so fucking like stuffy. So like Kelsey grammar on Frazier. Yes. Well, and it's all about like the luxury and Europe and a lot of it's in the South of France. So you're getting this like luxurious story told by the sky that just seems like such

4:06just stuck up little rich prick kind of. I don't know, it's weird. It's not what I would think that I would normally like, but anyways, I digress. We're having our book meet up at the end of the month like we do every single month and we would love for you to read with us and discuss the book with us and then come to book club because man, are those transformative? They're transformative and we started recording them because we're like, how can this conversation just go into the ether and not be seen again? So that, that's your chance to be part of our podcast, you know, and those are on YouTube as well. Yes. All on YouTube. Okay. Let's dive right into today. I think we have some headlines to talk about, right, Lex? Yeah. Really interesting stuff because we've been talking sort of in this ongoing capacity about what's going on with Chris Hansen and the documentary that was focused on him. And then of course, there's prime time coming out with Robert Pattinson and there's all the speculation about whether Chris Hansen is going to like prime time or not. And he's, he's buying ads, I guess, tears.

5:08But what are his ads for? I think for his network, True Blue, where he's still doing to catch a predator. So which is really smart because it's just really smart. And he's also talking about if he's unhappy with that he might sue. But anyways, I guess the film, prime time, premiered this past week at the Venice Film Festival. And apparently people are raving so much about Pattinson's performance. Apparently there was a seven minute standing ovation after the film premiered. And people are like, there's Oscar buzz that he might be nominated for an Oscar. And he was asked, you know, if there was like a press junket afterwards and he was asked explicitly about Chris Hansen in the film. And he said, obviously, I hope he likes the movie. There's something electrifying about him. I would hope the amount of inspiration his character has given a lot of people for years is some kind of compliment.

6:09So that's a pretty positive thing to say about Chris Hansen. So not like maybe the portrayal is not as, I don't know, controversial as we think. I'm sure it's complex. I mean, from what we've been given, like the little nuggets of information, it does seem like it's going to be kind of a salacious portrayal of him that seems to be more focused on like his narcissism and his like his want to be a celebrity. Like that's what I was sort of getting from it. But you know, it can also be nuanced and layered. They are Robert Pattinson takes these roles that I think that he can really like throw himself into in a very three dimensional way. So I mean, I guess we'll see. I'm so excited to see it regardless. But I think it's so interesting about what you were talking about about like the tidbits we've seen in the film where it's like the characters definitely talking about ratings and about being like number one and things like that. And I think that's so interesting when you talk about true crime because like we've talked

7:11about the value of to catch a predator and how much it has educated people about child predators before people really knew. And it is this tangled thing where it's like if you want to educate people, the show has to do well. You have to please like the networks and like I can see how that happens. I mean, having a true crime podcast, we see how that happens where it's like you're delicately balancing like being respectful and telling the stories, but also wanting it to succeed. And it's like if no one listens to the story, it doesn't help anyone. If it doesn't reach anyone, what good is it? And it's always this like dynamic of trying to make it succeed without exploiting. And it's like I do think that'll be interesting to see how they handled that. And also like I do think too that 2026, even though we're coming to the end of it, which is fucking crazy, I feel like this is the year of nuance where it's like we have to let go of the black and white and realize like multiple things can exist at the same time

8:14and bad and good can exist at the same time too. Well, and then it's also just like nobody is fully 100% altruistic, you know, ever. So I think it's like even if you're showing parts of that, the parts of, you know, his self obsession or whatever it is, that's just a human part of it, everybody, you know, at the end of the day, it's like nobody is just doing something out of the good of their heart 100% of the time. So it is a lot is nuanced is layered and yeah, a lot of things can happen at the same time. But regardless, I think it's going to be a very interesting and it comes out soon. I think I can't wait. I know. So excited. And we have another, okay, so a lot of news coming out of the Venice film festival. I'm sure you saw it, Jack, the Nathan Fielder, Elizabeth Holmes. I don't even think it's a full trailer they released. They release like a snippet or two. Yeah. And I remember I don't know if you do vaguely like a year or two ago, there was like a

9:17photo circulating of him visiting her in federal prison. Never. And like what the fuck? I don't even know if there is a picture. I think it was just like a headline and people were like, this cannot be real. Nathan Fielder with Elizabeth Holmes, how would this duo ever? Like how can this happen? So if you haven't seen it, you need to go Google it now or put it in TikTok or whatever. It's a clip of them talking, they're at her home. She's sitting on her couch. She's like bouncing her baby, her newborn baby with her foot and then like staring into Nathan Fielder's soul. And the two of them are just having this exchange where she's just like, wasn't she saying something like, I could of course I am being 100% genuine with you. I'm not talking about it. I would have to see you. Why would I? So like, and I watched a lot of Nathan Fielder. This is the first time that I think I've ever seen his character crack.

10:18Like he is looking at her like what the fuck is going on? Like with such bewilderment and just like I can't even believe what's happening right now. Like his expression on his face is something I've never seen on him before. And I saw somebody analyzing her facial expression because everyone's like, everyone's reacting strangely. Well, it's like, it's called the dissociative gaze where you do it when you're like uncomfortable. It's just so like, uh-huh, where you're, it's the, the analyst, I think she's psychologist or something. It says it's usually happening when you're disconnecting from your emotions. Interesting. So she's, and so to give context to this documentary, which apparently is a three hour film and Nathan never intended to be on camera. He was just going to produce it and be behind the scenes with Lance Oppenheim, who also directed prime time. I know it's so crazy. So it's all the same people. Yeah, but so apparently a month before Elizabeth Holmes had to turn herself in to a

11:21port to prison to serve her 11 year sentence, she let them basically move into her house and film everything. She moved in with her and her husband and their kids. And apparently also we learn in this documentary that there is a plan for when she gets out of prison to launch a new and improved fair nose. And I'm like, what, what is happening? She just is like, once a scam artist, always a scam artist. That believes her own shit. Like I truly think that she believed in that. And in a sense, like I know that she knew she was scamming, but like there, I think that there is something in her that like drinks her own cool aid in that sense. Well, and I think she also is another nuanced character where I also am of the mind that she didn't do anything that people like Musk and Sam Altman, they're all doing the exact same thing. She just was made an example of exactly. So I don't even know that she's a scammer.

12:22She's just not as, she wasn't sneaky enough, I guess. I don't know because all these people are doing the same thing. But I'm just like the fact that she's going to relaunch it. And I'm like, maybe she's trying to do like what Anna Delvy did, like pivot because Anna Delvy has a career now. That's not based on scamming. And she's become sort of like a villain and like leaned in her second influence or kind of. I honestly love her. I think she's the most deadpan hilarious person. But she, I mean, Holmes is giving like uncanny valley. She's acting weird. Yes. I mean, but she's always been like that. She's always had that very kind of uncanny creepiness to her. But I was reading the variety article about this. And apparently she's only in either the first hour or the first half of this documentary. Allegedly. I don't, I, it's, this was in variety. So I'm assuming it was somebody that I'd actually watched the, the, the movie at the film festival. But so what happens the other two hours? So she like goes to jail.

13:23And then I think Nathan stays there and continues to film with her husband. But then Amanda Safrid comes in because didn't she play her in a movie about her? A scripted project. I don't know if this was before that movie came out. But apparently she comes in and this is where it gets like very Nathan Fielder. She comes in and then starts reading all the lines that Elizabeth Holmes had said and like really like getting into the character. So it's like a very meta situation. So she moved into the house and act like her with her husband and kids. I don't know. But like it's giving, it's very like it's giving like the rehearsal and stuff like that where he's getting very meta, very bizarre and like we're, we're taking a turn. So whatever it is, it's going to be incredible because it's him. So I genius. He's a genius. He is unlike anybody else. And the most absurd in like what he does is obvious in some ways where you're like, that's the that's the logical next step if you're insane.

14:26Yeah. You know, like the rehearsal that he did with the becoming a plane captain. I've never I've never seen. I'm actually going to watch it again. I've never seen anything when he's like, I have to go back to my childhood memories and he has the giant breast and he's breastfeeding as an adult man. But I was one of the only times that he's ever broken character too is what he was doing. Like the breastfeeding and he's like, was he breaking character? It was I don't think every second. I don't think I've ever laughed so hard in my life. And then he ended up coming becoming a commercial pilot. It's like there is nobody that could have it's harder to a bit than this guy. So that's why I'm just like very excited to see whatever he makes with this Elizabeth Holmes thing is going to be incredible. And I am going to be on the edge of my seat until it comes out. Oh God. Anyways, we're talking a lot about like the media. Let's talk a little bit about Earl Meets World. Yeah, did you watch it? No, did you? Yeah. So I just finished it last night.

15:26It's a reality show on Netflix based around Alex Earl's family. Obviously, the influence are, you know, not exactly our topic of conversation. You're on the first degree, but I love her. You like her, right? Mm hmm. Yeah, she's cute. I really she's young mid 20s. You're just kind of following her life around. But what does tie it back to the first degree is her step mom is very interesting. And I think when Alex Earl started blowing up the story about her step mom kind of got rehashed and blew up as well and keeps getting rehashed through different story lands on the show. Um, but why don't you tell our listeners who her mom, her step mom is so her name is Ashley Earl now, but she was known as Ashley Dupree. And she basically was a gal from New Jersey who moved to New York City to pursue a music career. And you know, she's like, how am I going to live the life I want in New York? I don't have a music career yet. In a friend told her that she could make a thousand dollars an hour, basically escorting

16:29and going on dates and air quotes because that some people do just go on dates. Usually not. Usually there's like sex involved and that I'm not judging. That's just what it is. And basically she should like, that's what she started to do to support herself. And it was no big deal. She was probably making great money until in 2008. It was revealed that basically Elliott Spitzer, who was the governor, um, was involved with an escort named Kristen. Okay. And the FBI was like getting all involved in the scandal. And Kristen turned out to be Ashley Dupree, who is now Alex Earl stepmom. So he had to resign as a result of this. And it was like such a huge thing. Remember? Like I don't remember the details of it because we were like, oh, you don't remember it. No, no, I do. But now it wouldn't be a big deal. I don't know. I know it's like such a one article. Yeah. And he'd probably still keep a job. Yeah, exactly. But there was like such a massive deal back in the day.

17:31Yeah. And she was 22 at the time. Um, then she said she moved back to Jersey. And when asked in a article that followed whether she felt responsible for his downfall, she said, if it wasn't me, it would have been someone else. I was just doing my job. That's fair. Amen, girl. Yeah. It's, I mean, we're not going to shame her. He's just as responsible for the, he is responsible for the downfalls her career. It's not her job to protect him, right? No, and I'm sure she got like death threats. And of course, it's a woman's fault. It's like very monocle Lewinsky. Yeah. But I guess she was the other woman in the relationship with Alex Earl's dad. And then I guess Alex Earl and her had like a contentious relationship. And now they're getting along. Yeah. I mean, that's a big story. And on the show because they do have like this very interesting relationship. And what I learned last night watching the show is her stepmom, actually, she's only 41 years old. So she's a year older than us, which is just so crazy to watch because it's like, I watch Alex Earl. And I'm like, okay, I'm obviously not near your age, but like I feel kind of close to

18:34your age, even though we're like 15 years older than her. But then it's like, no, we're really the different stepmom. This is a mind fuck. But her dad's older. So I'm not sure what their age gap is, but it's like an interest. So she's only like 15 years older than Alex unsure about the dad. But then you think about the Elliott Spitzer thing. And I'm like, the dad is 58, the dad is 53. Okay. She's like kind of in the middle of the two of them. Well, she's young. I mean, that's, if you would stepmom, only 15 years older than you, that would be very weird. And they started dating. I think this is how I put the two together. I think that she started dating Alex Earl's dad when she was like 23 or something like that. And then Alex Earl was like, oh my god, that's younger than I am now. I can't imagine like being in your position with these young kids. And like, so they have a very interesting family dynamic, which I think makes the show interesting. But yeah, there's a lot of lore behind that.

19:35It's been a while since the Epstein files came out. Everybody has forgotten about them 100%. You know, business is usual as we suspected. But there is one name that came out recently in the files. And it's a name that we're familiar with enough. And that's Frederick Fakai. So how would anybody know what that name is, Lex? Well, it's so funny. I remember when we were like in our 20s, that was like the expensive shampoo and conditioner that everybody wanted. It was like, and I was like, holy shit, I haven't heard that name in a while. Like, I think there was a Frederick Fakai salon and Beverly Hills. And it was like the celebrity sort of like place to go and get your hair done. And I don't know when that shuttered and when that disappeared. But it was like a big thing for a long time. And I was like, holy shit, blast from the past. I totally forgot that name. Yeah. So what the headline is is that there is a group of seven Jeffrey Epstein survivors that are accusing Frederick Fakai and his salon of helping Epstein groom all of them to make

20:37them look as young as possible. And in doing so, enabling his years of abuse. So what happened is these seven women filed a civil lawsuit on September 1st, a week ago against Frederick Fakai, his business and longtime employee Patrick Cooms. And basically what they were saying is they Jeffrey Epstein would bring these women to the salon, bleach their hair, give them bangs, give them very young looking haircuts, and then use that to groom them into looking like dolls for Epstein's and whatever the clients' likings are. One of the Jane Does talked to CNN. She said that she went to the salon. She wanted to get her hair cut to shoulder length and the stylist told the woman that those are not the instructions that she got. And then she proceeded to give her bangs that she didn't want. So that was was kind of happening there. What I think is really interesting is I searched Frederick Fakai's name on the Epstein files

21:40and he comes up more than 1200 times. A lot of receipts for visiting his salon. Jeffrey Epstein got his hair cut there all of the time. But then what's interesting is it's like is Frederick Fakai himself involved or is it just this? I mean, obviously. But then it's, you know, going, he had salons in the South of France, he had them in Manhattan in LA, like all over the place. So there seemed to be this kind of like handshake that he had with the salon business as a whole where it's like, I can bring my girls in here. You can put bangs on them even though they say no. And you're going to do whatever you can to make these girls basically look as young as possible. So bizarre and like cliche and disgusting. Well, and it's, you know, we've talked about this in the past where he had his hand in everything. And there was all these little things that happened that ended up building into the empire that

22:42he had in the entire sex trafficking ring that he owned, you know, where it was like these look like the doctors, the lawyers, the banks, the hair salons, it was like everything was happening simultaneously. Yeah. Hey, so Frederick Fakai's lawyer ended up responding. And he said these allegations are false. Mr. Fakai has done nothing wrong. He was never in San Trope with Epstein because that was the one, one of the genitals said that he'd Jeffrey Epstein himself dragged her into the salon. He said he has no idea whether any Epstein victim was among the tens of thousands of people whose hair was cut every year by the hundreds of Fakai salon employees. So that was his response. I didn't know him. I met him at a party once. Clown nose. Yes. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Well, speaking of creeps, let's talk about a big scandal slash them pretending it's not

23:47happening. Scandal right now that like literally pictures in your face screenshots. Yes. So we'll fortune. Okay. Hosted by none other than, isn't it Ryan C. Crest? I don't know who's working. I think it's Ryan C. Crest. Yeah. So Ryan C. Crest hosts Wheel of Fortune now, which is so interesting when they when they debuted that I was like that is so seemingly out of his age bracket. Like it seems like very old for him, but like maybe not. Maybe we're growing up with Ryan C. Crest. Yeah. But here's the thing. So you know how game shows have like and here's your host like the announcers. So they have an announcer named Jim Thornton. And he's been there since 2011. And he's become a popular figure among fans, especially on the game shows, social media platforms. Well, he's gotten in some trouble. Big trouble. Big trouble. And here's the thing like so he was on an American Airlines flight back in May from Charlotte

24:52to LA. And he was on his laptop and a passenger behind him. And it's unclear whether the passenger knew he was anybody or just I don't think so. No, right. She basically could see over his shoulder and see the chat room that he was in. And it appeared to be a chat room for. PDFs. Okay. We have to we have to be careful what words we actually say because it might gank us off YouTube. So PDFs. Good luck. Exactly. So. And all the messages are super disturbing. And basically this passenger who saw this after the plane landed alerted the staff. And alerted the captains and they got law enforcement involved. And I was like, that's amazing. But you know, there's a lot of disturbing stuff in here. You can Google and see these screenshots for yourself. They're very reason though. And there's a section within these messages that somebody is like, wow, you're on a plane right now. What did they say?

25:52Uh, where was the screenshot? Um, wait, you're on a plane, right? What if someone sees? So it's like he's telling everybody in the chat room that he's on a plane right now. Um, they're talking about a bunch of disgusting things. One person's like, how are people so addicted that they can't go a few hours without looking at something illegal, basically like referring to the fact that like he has to be doing this on the plane in front of people in public. Um, but yeah, it's pretty insane. Um, to do ever. And so it's really hard to do on the plane with your computer sort of like, he has a sort of angle to house. So the person across from him can definitely see what he's doing. He's in an aisle seat, not a window seat. You know, so like computer pointed towards the aisle. And here's the thing. It's, it's this weird phenomenon where like, just like when you're driving your car, you don't think anyone can see you and they can.

26:54It's like that. But like, do you remember Jack a while ago? I was on a flight and I texted you. And I was like, the girl in front of me is on your Instagram. And I, that I zoomed in and set you a picture like she went from yours to Kelty's. Oh my God. And I was like, you're, it's not private. Whatever you're doing, the person behind you include like, and that was innocent, right? That wasn't bad. It was just like, what are the odds? No, whenever I'm on a plane, I, I assume everybody on the plane is looking at whatever I'm doing on the internet or whatever I'm doing on my phone. Like I am so hyper aware when I'm on a plane, I'm like, don't, don't do anything. You just sit right there on, like, I don't know. Don't go to TikTok cause your algorithm's fucked up. Well, there's also all these TikToks of people, like people sitting next to people and they're talking shit about the person next to them. And they're like, I can see what you're saying. You're like being racist or you're being whatever. Yeah, yeah. People think that they can't see what they're doing.

27:55And then do you remember I texted our group chat because the guy next to me was on FaceTime with his like uncle. People doing sane stuff on planes. Dude, people at the, I mean, there is nothing, the airports, the Wild West. I don't understand what happens to people. But let's go back because he, his lawyer told TMZ his excuse and it's absolutely mind-blowing. I mean, you think from a lawyer, excellent, excellent, excellent lawyer because like, it's a reach, but I see what they're doing. But basically the lawyer said, you know, Jim Thornton has become active in suicide prevention advocacy since losing a close family member to suicide two years ago. So what he does is he spends time visiting chat rooms and offering support to individuals suffering from suicidal ideation. But he was in a chat room for pedophiles, not suicide. Yes. And he was in it. And apparently then they continue and say, um, listen, once he realized where he was, he

28:56navigated away, yet in these screenshots, you can see that he was there for 57 minutes. And I can't tell. I can't tell if he has said anything in these screenshots. Like I couldn't tell which one of these people was him. But if any of them are him, none of them seem to be like, oh, if you're struggling, you can talk to me as an advocate. No, all of these people were like, you're on a plane, buddy. Like they're all good friends. Yeah, you're on a plane. I can't believe you can't wait until you're home to look up this kind of material. Yeah. Of course. So after this all came to light, apparently like this hit TMZ, even though this happened back in May, and they fired Jim Thornton, okay? But they didn't address it publicly. And then I was looking up information about this today so we could talk about it. And Wheel of Fortune is very interestingly like launching a bunch of new stuff. Like there's an article that came out today saying, Wheel of Fortune announces new rapid

29:56fire gameplay change for season 44. And it's like, okay, you're literally trying to push this news about your creepy ass announcer down in SEO so that people see less of it. So it's not the first thing that comes up. And they're doing a good job. Like honestly, the people who are working for like them are more effective. I mean, it's frustrating now. Yeah. I mean, PR tactics 101, you know? Yeah. Very strange. I just have like a quick thing to talk about that I saw that was very disturbing. So we obviously we covered that fake French baker from Phoenix that went on the Manus Fear episode of the surrounded where he talked about how much you love the Manus Fear and those whole thing got us kind of into some conversation about the Manus Fear. We've talked about Clivicular a little bit.

30:58And there's a lot of like Maxing that people do. You know, it's like looks Maxing height Maxing. It's a very Clivicular like kind of came up with us. So there's something new that the Manus Fear is doing and it's called Pharemone Maxing. Okay. What they say that these men are doing is they're going on a first day or second day with women and they're not showering. Okay. They're showing up with their Pharemones to lead the way, but not just not showering. They're also not using deodorant. They're not wearing cologne. They're just letting their natural musk build up. So just to let those Pharemones and their freak flag fly. Now I think this is disgusting because there are very few men that have good smelling Pharemones that like usually it's the partner that you end up with because there's something about them that you're just so drawn to. But a random man on the street with their BO just stinking up the place. I really have an issue with.

32:01We don't want this. Like if you're doing it for to get girls, why don't you ask us and we don't want this? No, we don't want this. And apparently some of the pet because you know everybody's going to take it to the Max because it's Maxing. Some people are going further and apparently they're drinking their own urine to affect their Pharemones supply. And then wearing unwashed and sweaty clothes. Yeah. Good luck with that. Let us know how that goes. Let us know. I don't think it's going to go the way you think. It really grosses me out. Gross. I hate that. And another another loss for the manosphere like that's a no. I mean, that's the problem when you don't talk to women and you just go farther and farther down the manosphere and you're just other men that are in the same kind of position as you. You're all corroborating each other's fucked up thoughts.

33:03That's when we get to Pharemone Maxing. They're kind of showing. I'm not going to show her either. Fuck women. Well, let's go on a date. They could just take out or leave it with my sweaty pits. And then they're mad when the women don't have sex with them and then they hate us. And that's the thing. Well, they're not going to have sex with someone who smells. Yep. And that's how it just keeps on going. Rinse and repeat or don't rinse. Just repeat. Good luck with that manosphere. I have something interesting to tell you about. Yes. So this is crazy. There's a Brazilian woman who was just convicted of being a 37 year old woman who pretended to be 12 for two years and tricked a family into giving her a place to live. It's a real life Natalia Grace. And by the way, Natalia Grace was exonerated. She really was young and her family. Was she? Or adopted family. Yes. There's just so much to that that I can't even remember where that ever went.

34:06So she was pretty sure she was exonerated. Yeah. And like that all that stuff was really unfair and like mean. But this woman, her name is Amanda Maria Sousa de Oliveira. She pretended to be a 12 year old autistic girl to trick family into giving her a place to live. And she carried a doll, used a pacifier and drink from a baby bottle. And she explained to me her adult physique by claiming hormones were forced on her by parents in early childhood. And basically this is how it started. She apparently approached the victim couple at an evangelical church, introduced herself as Gabrielle and claimed to be 18 years old first. Then she backpedal. She says, no, I just said that because I didn't want to get in trouble from like my abusive family, I'm actually 11. And I've been sexually abused because I was these hormones were forced on me. Then so this family takes her in and she persuaded the family not to enroll her in school or

35:10formalize any adoption paperwork, arguing that it would just help her abusive family find her. So this is what she was doing like manipulating them so she wouldn't get caught. Yeah. This worked for 16 months. The even through her 12th birthday party gave her a decorated bedroom with toys and she talked in a baby voice and somehow she managed to convince them to pay for like ozemic and weight loss drugs. And only was the fraud uncovered when her adopted aunt, so the sister or brother of this couple, became suspicious and then did like photo searches online and found reports of a similar case in Rio de Janeiro three years earlier. So when she was arrested, she was carrying a doll and using all this stuff and when she was confronted, she basically just dropped the act immediately and spoke to officers like in an adult voice like the jaguar.

36:11And she was sentenced to a year and a half in prison for doing this. And I'm just like somebody who can do this, you should be getting an Oscar like imagine doing this get a Hollywood baby, but 16 months. And like also, why would you want to do this? It's like so then you have to act like your 12. You can't do what you want. You can't drive a car or go anywhere or like, yeah, you just have to pretend to be a baby for two years, almost. It's kind of gross. I think if a man was doing this, you would be like, there's something deeper than what meets the eye. Yes. So it's interesting to think about that with this. Yeah. And so I was stunned and I just had to talk about that. And she's a real life in telliagreus who actually was almost 40 for 10 to be 12.

37:14Oh my god. Could you imagine? I think we have to, no, I can't, but I think we have time to talk about one more thing. Okay. You choose. Okay. Cyborg cockroaches. I was hoping you would do this. I don't know what you think it is, but I don't know. I am basically blind researchers in Queensland, Australia have basically taken giant burrowing cockroaches. I think they're like this big. Yeah. They're the most popular ones. They basically anesthetize them, right. They give them anesthesia. And they basically immobilize them to make sure they cannot feel anything during the implementation process. Then they plant an electrode into the insect to control it like a zombie. Okay. So then they use in a small electrical signal to activate and stimulate the nervous system.

38:15So they respond to this computers command. And now they're called paraborgs. And they're, they're using them to rescue people and natural disasters. People. So basically what they're trying to do is use, because they can fit anywhere. And they want to use their cockroaches with a removable navigation system that enables them to be remotely piloted through complex terrain and rubble. The size and strength of the cockroaches allows them to carry cameras in miniature medical injectors to deliver supervised emergency care to people trapped in claps buildings to basically be like, here's a vitamin B12 shot to keep you alive from this cockroach. I am not buying this for one single second, but it's working. Like you can click on these links. It's, they're doing it. And they're doing it with bees. They're doing it with beetles. And they're going to have these entire like swarms of bugs that they're controlling with electrodes to all carry out different functions.

39:20I, one, why can't they just have little drones? If they can do all of this on a cockroach, why can't they just put it in its own little plastic container? I think I don't know, but the thinking may be, is that like, you know, the, the trope that cockroaches are like indestructible. Yeah, I was thinking about that. Like, but like, think about mechanical failures with a drone. Like if you're 200 feet underground and they're being controlled by radio frequency, like what if, what if the signal goes out or whatever? And I guess the thinking is like, I don't know the answer to that. Also, I'm like, yes, this is how everything with technology starts where it's like, they're using it to, to, you know, rescue people from a collapsed building, which number one, that's very niche, that that's very specific. Well, you know, we did just see this giant wall of water into bed and they're still finding people underground.

40:20So like, there are scenarios, obviously, where it's useful. I get it. But then it's like, I don't know if I'm just too pessimistic about the future, but it's like, this seems like a very easy thing for them to turn to use this some sort of like a weapon on people in a very unsuspecting manner, because it's just bugs. You know, if a swarm of bees came through, we wouldn't know that they had cyborg things on them and they were shooting out poison. And you're going to scare me with this cockroach, are you? Because it'll work. I will not come out of my room. I know. Well, one of our friends just texted a group chat that there's an acid cloud happening in LA right now. So I wouldn't come out of your room, Lex. Listen, there's thunder out there right now. It's not, it's not feeling very like safe here, but that's how it's been, you know, but I don't know, cyborg cockroach, like, what will they think of next? Well, what will that even turn into? I stay tuned, I guess. Yeah. Well, I feel like this is a great time to tell everybody to keep those tinfoil hats on.

41:23Maybe they could really protect you from when these cockroaches start diving bombing us. Yeah. And we don't want the electrodes getting in our brain and being controlled. Absolutely. That would be the excuses from the gym thortens of the world next. It's exactly exactly. All right. Well, keep them on tight and tall. And until then, we'll see you next week. Bye. Bye.