Democracy Goes Postal

0:00What's up, Los Angeles? Welcome to Love It or Leave It Live from Hollywood. I'm John Love it. We've got a great show for you tonight, but first let's get into it. What a week. CBS News reported on Friday that FBI director Cash Patel has weakened the bureau's rules for what is disqualifying in a background check for new agents. Some of these restrictions just went too far, said newly minted special agent George Santos. For example, in certain cases hiring a prostitute is no longer a deal breaker as long as the applicant has not done so for three or more times and not in the past ten years. This is just common sense at at Cash Patel because maybe you were too nervous the first time to have a good experience and she kind of laughed at the end.

1:06And and if you've stolen from an employer that's not disqualifying either anymore as long as it occurred more than three years ago. It's in keeping with the FBI's classic motto, Forgive and Forget. And applicants who have engaged in animal cruelty or bestiality may still be considered as long as the incidents occurred before the age of 18. Well, you know what they say. Kids fuck the darn disthinks. Bad news. Cash Patel fired counterterrorism officials and other seasoned FBI professionals for having investigated the president's crimes and his incompetence and politicization of the bureau has led to a mass exodus of talent and experience which has surely made our society more vulnerable to all kinds of crime from tax fraud to terrorist attacks. But good news. The FBI applicant who killed frogs as a kid and got fired from a crowbar in 2022 after they caught him on camera walking out with a cake every night only paid for two blowjops.

2:12In other harrowing DOJ news, two federal election monitors showed up at a polling place in Cheyenne, Wyoming without advance notice where they tried to interview voters and examine voting machines to the confusion of local officials. Damn it, Brian. Why'd you bring us here? There's a waste of time said one of the DOJ's election monitors. You said we were supposed to investigate urban areas, reply the other. Yes. Urban areas, Brian. Urban. Yeah, this is Wyoming's urban area, Mike. Jesus Christ. How did you get into the FBI? I only had sex with one chicken. We've been doing more of these plays in the episodes and I would say so far, I would say medium results. Wyoming's Republican governor, Mark Gordon, told reporters, quote, it was aggressive, unexpected, disruptive, certainly didn't seem to show respect for the state.

3:13The state's lieutenant governor could only shake his head because he's a moose. In other terrifying democracy news, Senator Richard Blumenthal released a statement by a whistleblower alleging that the Trump administration's scheme to monitor mail-in ballots through the Postal Service has potentially catastrophic problems that could disenfranchise millions of people. I knew it. Our nation's dogs were right about these guys all along. In fact, the Postal Workers Union and the National Association of Letter Carriers opposed the executive order. Said the head of the Postal Workers Union, this is the worst thing to happen to the mail since everyone stopped using the mail. Head of the president of the letter carriers, please send a letter. You gotta send a letter. It's insane how fun it is once you try it. For example, on July 3rd, 1776, John Adams wrote a letter to Abigail Adams that said, and I quote, I am well aware of the toil and blood and treasure that it will cost us to maintain this declaration and support and defend these states. And through all the gloom, I can see the rays of ravishing light and glory. Letters are pretty cool.

4:13Compare that to the dumb bullshit you text your dumbboard wife. Send a fucking letter. Fuck. A federal judge has issued a temporary restraining order to block the Postal Service from implementing the order. And there is a hearing this week to determine whether a longer-term injunction is necessary as the case makes its way to the Supreme Court. I wonder how will rule, said Samuel Alito, while raising a flag over his vacation home that says, I hate the Post Office. Speaking of letting your freak flag fly, transportation secretary Sean Duffy and his wife Rachel Campo Duffy appeared on Fox to share some marital wisdom. I'm gonna come back and give you my take on Sydney Swini's breast. Nope, nope, actually don't. Stop, shut up. Don't do that. But he continued. God made us a certain way to appreciate and want to meet with a woman and women are made the same way to want to be with a man. Add a Duffy. I'm glad the FBI just okayed bestiality because I'm ready to pounce on those sweater puppies. My God, look at those two jumbos smashing together, said a horrified air traffic controller,

5:18desperately trying to get Sean Duffy's attention. I just want you to imagine what would have happened if, in an interview, signed by side with Chastin, our former secretary of transportation, Pete Buttigieg, had said, check out the bulge on Henry Cavill, awoga awoga. It kind of would have been cool. Alright, I would have actually thought that was awesome. Alright, meanwhile, JD Vance appeared on a podcast to talk about religion this week. What I'm trying to focus on is doing as much of God's work as possible right now. And if that leads to the end times, okay? No, not okay. Not okay. Bad vice president. Not okay. Also, maybe before you get to doing God's work, you try doing some of JD's work. Though I do think it would take a miracle to reopen the straight of Hormuz. Some farm policy. Alright. Vance also defended Trump's use of AI-generated images and claimed Trump didn't mean to post a picture of himself as God when he did exactly that. He is so fascinated by technology and so fascinated by AI.

6:18And so like when people bring him these memes of, oh, looking what this building could look like, oh, you know, here's you hanging out with like Abraham Lincoln and, you know, Mao Zaytong, he'll be like, oh, that's like a still looking. It actually looks like a photo of me. That Trump must have lost his mind at the Disney Hall of Presidents. How am I up there and down here? And why do I look so? God damn good. It's funny at a JD. The president just loves his reflection. He actually was looking at his reflection in this little pond and he couldn't move. He was just transfixed and slowly rotted away until he became a flower that hated immigrants. Google this week. Change their maps. Just say Lake America for users in the US according to Trump's dumb fake executive order. Say it with me. Google. Said Google in a statement quote, people using maps in the US will see Lake America. Those in Canada will see Lake Ontario and those outside the US and Canada will see both names. Apple eventually followed suit changing the name on their maps as well, but in a slightly

7:18more beautiful font. Say it with me. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Map quest. Say it with me. Boo. Map quest is now the number one navigation app on the Apple App Store because Map quest is refusing to change the lake's name. Thank you Map quest for still instructing users to drive into Lake Ontario. And finally, we have one more joke and we may cut it and you'll see why. And based on where we're at together, I don't have a lot of high hopes. So this is sort of just for us probably. Iran and the US have traded strikes over the last few days, marking the first major attacks between the two countries since July. That's right. It's back to school bombing season. Uh oh, looks like it's back to me bombing season. And we've got a great show for you tonight.

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11:24information to more people in a right wing media environment that gets a lot of misinformation and bullshit out there we need to compete. So head on over to CricketCon slash friends to subscribe. All right, please welcome to the stage that be my dream guest in every universe. It's Brian Possein and Lauren Lapke. Hi. Hi. Hi. Nice to meet you. Hi. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Come on in. What's happening? Hi. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having us. Brian and Lauren. Yes. You both star in HBO Max's new show Stuart Fales to save the universe, which is a spin-off of the Big Bang Theory. But you're not, listen, I don't, Big Bang Theory. You weren't either high up on the call sheet of that thing. No. You're not in the age of 17. Because you weren't. I was probably like 900 at the time. Neither of you were sheldon. No, I wasn't. No. And or young sheldon. No, no, no. You're neither or old. Thank you for thinking of giving young sheldon. That's very fun.

12:25Yeah. Yeah. It's giving young sheldon. So how did this, how does it come to pass that you're part of a spin-off of which, how many years ago was it? Oh my God. Well, it ended in 28 or 1918. It is. Right before the pandemic. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, for me, I came on in season 11 as Stuart's girlfriend, the guy who runs a comic bookstore. And so I was in, I don't know, just a handful of episodes, like eight episodes in season 11 and 12. And then the show ended. And I mean, you know, that's how things go. And so it was great. I had a great time. Got this call out of the blue, but I mean, Brian was there many more episodes than I was. Yeah, I did like 15 or so. Oh, there was a lot more. No, not a ton more, but a very memorable. But the first time I went on, I didn't, my character didn't even have a name. It was just like weird guy, which I'd done a bunch of those over the years. That's not my first weird guy. So yeah, and then they named him Bert and then they kept bringing me back and like Chuck will go, we love you. We'll bring you back. I was like, yeah, sure, because you never get told that again as an actor, you know, you

13:27get told that all the time. We got to do something together. Yeah. We got to bring you back. Right, right. This was so fun. We got everything. Yeah, but then it happened. And then so when he called me, my phone literally said Chuck Lori's office. And I he'd never called me before. And I showed it to my wife. And I'm just holding it like an idiot. I was like, you should probably answer that. I'm like, yeah, okay. And then he was like, we're coming up. We came up with this thing. We're reaching out to Kevin and Lauren. And I was just like, of course, like whatever it is. It was so surreal. He asked me if I wanted to do it. And he was like, for the right price. For my quote, I'll think about it. I've such a wow. That is an amazing opportunity. Thank you so much for thinking of me. I got a lot on my plate. I'm going to see if I can shuffle some things around and make it work depending on the deal. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. Now you do have a connection from years and years ago, right?

14:29Yes. I babysat Brian's son 15 years ago. That was how I first met you. Was playing on the floor with blocks with you watching yoga. She was back up. She was with our nanny. I was the backup. My friend was there, Nanny. And she would get sick every once in a while. And then I would show up and hang out. And it's so funny. Because I mean, I already obviously knew Brian was from TV and stuff. So I was like, I had moved to LA and I'm like, wow, I'm with the celebrity. Baby sitting his baby. All our nannies were like actresses and writers and comedy people because my wife's a manager. So she would just like talk to them and maybe talk about representing them and go, hey, how are you with kids? That's a cool, that's a cool bait and switch for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And now his son is taller than me. Yeah. He's taller in everybody. She was like playing with the kid. Am I in the business? Is this the business? Is this happening right now? Am I making it? Is this making it now? Brian, you talked to our producer Kelsey. And Kelsey was like, oh, do you have any stories about doing this show?

15:34And I want to just, this is a paraphrase of what you said. Oh, no. About any funny, on-set stories you said, I don't have any funny, on-set stories. But I'm the happiest I've been in years. Oh, that's nice. You're the happiest you've been in years? It's true. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Because as an actor, this is the dream. Be with your friends and to be on a show. And then to find out you're already doing, we already found out we're doing a second season. So like I, I've been the man guy my whole life. I've been like, everything sucks. And now it's, you know what sucks is I can't be that guy anymore. Right. Because I wake up going, this is awesome. You sort of some sort of like existential thing happening. For sure for you. Who are you? Yeah. Well, I have one story of when we were crying laughing. Oh, yeah. We made each other laugh while the, are you going to throw? He told it already publicly. Yeah, that's true. It was told publicly. So I thought it was okay to tell because it's very, I mean, it's not, I'm building it up. One of our fellow actors farting and seeing you. We couldn't stop laughing because he farted. Well, it was great because he had to push over an old lady who was a stunt person but

16:37also was like 80 years old. Yeah. And she was like on Star Trek. No, she was like, she was like, incredible. So she played a kid in like Goonies or something. But she's like 4'11 and she's amazing. But she, she, he had to run and push her down and then fall and as he fell, he farted. Which is like just the best thing that could happen to me. And only we, no one else heard it except for Lauren and I and we had to check with each other. Do you hear that? And then just crying for two days straight like every time we brought it out, we couldn't stop laughing. Yeah. As he fell on top of this, as he, as he fell on top of the device that helps us travel to different universes and he ripped it. Just ripped one. Yeah, it was kind of like Trump class and we were like, it was Trumpity I think. Yeah, no, it was like, oh. Farts, they're so funny. It's just always kills. It's so funny. It's so funny what, it's, it's, it's, it's a funny thing too because it's like, it's not that different from a sneeze, you know, in terms of like, it's not like it's just, it's not. It's not just a fun thing. It's kind of beside where it happens but not fully.

17:39Sometimes you're in control. Sometimes you're not at all. Sometimes you can stop it. Sometimes you can't stop it. We all do it. It's a little gross. Right. But if you, if you, if you just, it should be, we should live in a world where you can just fart and say, I'm so sorry. It's like, it's fine. Yeah. It's actually totally, yeah. We all do it. What are you going to do? I was at a hotel this weekend and I woke up at like seven in the morning and I was going to drive home and the hotel was pretty quiet and like, it was, but it was a long corridor and there was a couple like 15, 20 feet ahead of me and he just ripped one. No. There's a massive fart, massive. There was just huge standing there and he was like, they were walking and we were both walking toward the lobby and I was, they didn't know I was there and now I'm walking through the fucking mist and we're, the base on the layout, we're going to come, we're going to see each other. Yeah. And so now like, they're joking about, she's like, oh, how could you do that? And he's like, whatever, but I do, they had no idea that they weren't completely alone

18:41and I was like, I need them to know they're not alone because in a moment we're going to have a moment and I said, I just shouted nice one. And he looked back at me like I'm an asshole. And I was like, I was doing something cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm cool. I'm acknowledged. I'm the cool one here. No. You're gross. I'm cool. I mean, I'm kind of glad though I don't have a husband who just is like, you know, some of these guys who come out and run just fart on me. Right. It's like, it's like, it's to be funny and I don't really like that. I mean, that seems like that woman deals with that all the time. Sounds like your husband's gay. I do that to Chris Slater once. You farted on him? I'm not intentionally. I farted outside of an audition and he came out of the audition and walked into my fart cloud. And as I walked into the audition, I heard him go, oh, God, damn it. He's so mad at my fart that he did his jack Nicholson impression.

19:49You can't handle the two. No, I don't have it. That was something. Something. Yeah. I didn't commit. I didn't commit that for sure. That's for sure. Now, Lauren, Brian, your nerd, that goes out saying. Your self-described. Yes, for sure. For sure. Say you identify your nerd slash nerd. Identify as a nerd. Lauren, do you identify as a nerd? Would you say you're a nerd? I feel like I am, but I don't necessarily identify. I feel like John, John Oswald, we are in our cast has been like, you're a nerd and I'm like, okay, fine. I like nerds and they're great. I just don't really have necessarily the honed in special interests that some nerds have. So I don't have a list of things that I'm obsessed with. Well, do you think at this point, like, so people, it will often happen that someone will assume I know Dungeons and Dragons, but I actually don't. I don't really, I've never played Dungeons and Dragons. And we were talking about why I, there was ways in which I feel like a nerd, but also I don't ever have the obsessive fan interest in any one thing. I kind of like, I dabble, but I never really sink in.

20:52And there's sort of like, I feel like becoming a nerd and becoming investing in something used to be more expensive just by time and effort. Right. And there's something we've lost that's made in being a nerd more accessible, but sort of ill-defined. Yeah, well, that's true too, because you'd have to seek out the things without the internet. You'd have to go find the cool store and get into it and I don't know, right? Right, but also nerdiness, I feel like the word nerd is thrown around for everything now. And it used to be, you know, it was like, derogatory when I was a kid, you know, it was like a bad thing to get called and then people started going, oh, I'm a nerd. Like I watch so much sex in the city and you're not a nerd. Just liking something doesn't make you a nerd. Right, right. A nerd is obsession and just having, you know, knowing everything about that thing and collecting that thing. And, you know, yeah, there's a, I feel like there has to be a kind of almost like, like to be a true, like archetypal nerd, you have to love something and be obsessed with it

21:53to the point that you don't realize that you are interested in something more than other people. Right. You know, there has to be something like kind of social thing where you're like, you're actually quite, you're a bit obsessed in a way that's sort of uncomfortable. Right, right. Now Brian, you were considered too nerdy for your high school Dungeons and Dragons group. True story. Yeah, yeah. So I tried to join and the guy that was, I was in seventh grade and it was an eighth grade kid that was running our, at my middle school, that was running our D&D club. And my mom was like encouraging me to join some sort of club. So I went, this is something I didn't, I hadn't played at that point, but I wanted to play. So she took me like, I don't think it was Barnes and Noble, but it was like books to work, got my D&D book. I didn't have my dice or anything yet, but I just had the book, the early book and I went to the meeting and this kid that I went to Christian Camp with and went to Sunday

22:53school with eighth grader. He just saw me and went, oh, Possein, and I just turned around and didn't even go into the building. I just left. You know, in hindsight, I think about that there is a, sometimes the worst, the hardest wrong, the biggest fights were from bottom wrong to first wrong. The kind of the most, the meanest, the meanest, the meanest bullies were the people on the second wrong of that ladder because there were so few people below them to target. And so I was just like looking up and like, what do you mean I'm not welcome in the library sitting hang school? This is the, were the kids that just go to the library for lunch and I can't sit with you? Maybe I am gay. I might not look like a nerd. I might look like a nerd. But my, but I have normal passions, say basic. Do you have a little croissant on your sleeve?

23:55It's just, I think it's a symbol for the, for the front of the company. Oh, okay. I was excited. No, it's my little croissant. My little croissant. The point is when it comes to nerddom, you can't always judge a book by its sexy, sexy cover. I'm going to ask you both to make a ruling when we play nerd or not. Yes. Here's how it works. I will read off a famous person's name and a little bit about their nerd credentials and you'll decide, is this person a nerd or not? Okay. Here we go. First up, Henry Cavill. No. Actuary book. Oh, sorry. Now, wait, wait. Oh, I think I know something about him. Oh, wait, okay, okay. I won't judge a book by its sexy, sexy cover. Right. You like, you had a visceral reaction. No, I just thought there's no way. Maybe there is a guy. He is a diehard warhammer fan, which is the one where you paint stakingly paint figurines. Wow. Oh, fuck. He is. Wow. Giant handsome nerd. They exist. That's kind of hot. I met a couple handsome nerds. He also paints those little things. He paints, he also built his own computer.

24:56Oh, be fucking nerds. I know. He's got it all. Okay. Nerd or not? No, he isn't nerd. A hundred. He is. He is. He is a pretty nice nerd. Yeah. An honorable nerd mentioned for Joe Manganello, who runs a D&D event. Yeah, he's a nerd. I didn't know that. I played with him. You did? So he came to my house and played D&D. And my wife told all her friends. Like, oh my God, he came with a box of his characters. He was nerdyer than me. I never, like, I paint figures, but I never had them all. That's cute. Alphabet, I bettically, in a box, like him and Pat Noswald, those are the two. Yeah, didn't Pat Noswald write a, did he write it forward to your nerdy book? Yes, yeah. And we used to play D&D together, and we were roommates. I didn't know you needed to have a figurine in the game. You just kind of talked about.

25:57Yeah, you can play it different ways, but. It's cool to have one. Yeah, it's cooler. Yeah, yeah. I struggle with a game where there's not clear rules, and somebody can be in charge and decide what happens. I like to know, I like to know what's in here. I like it. I played it once before, and I really enjoyed myself. It's like improv. Say that again, but be. I'm hell-hasted. No, it was great. Next up, Sam Altman, open AI founder, he's heavy into sci-fi novels, and luxury cars like this $2 million car. That's a $2 million car. Conex egg regera? Oh. I don't know. I have a Bugatti, that's the one I know about. Wow. Okay. I mean, I just have a Bugatti, but that's not like that. I mean, I think that's fancy, right? I mean, not as fancy as this. I think of Bugatti as entry-level luxury. Okay, this is $2 million. Right, what does it do? I don't know. Nothing a $200,000 Bugatti can't do. That's not what I'm going to tell you that much.

26:57So it's like, that's not be crazy. Yeah, he's a nerd. Yeah. I think he is. I think he is. Even though he said in July, artificial intelligence will reshape the material conditions of human life on a scale that no technology has accomplished since the harnessing of electricity. Yeah. Well, he also said that people should talk to their kids through an AI app. But he's also probably said, wedgie's heard. In many ways, this is what we're dealing with is the ultimate. It's like, revenge of the nerds. No, that's what that is. It's actually like, be careful what you wish for. It's actually, there's no more dangerous force than an angry nerd. Like, like, when the sphere in the book sphere gets mad. I don't know that one, but yeah. Yeah. And finally, Megan the Stallion. Oh, no. Find out. Self-described, weab and baddie, she loves anime, she's referencing Jiu Jitsu, Kaisen Aruto, an attack on Titan and more in her songs. She's an extensive history of cosplay as anime characters from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure

27:57Soul Leader and of course, Sailor Moon. It's cool, yeah. Yeah, I think that's your name. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Wow. I love that. Thank you to Brian and Lauren. You can see them in Stewart Fails to save the universe on HBO Max and you can go to Atlorn Lapkes on Instagram for live dates and BrianPosane.com for Brian's Dates. Yeah. And we'll be right back. Thank you. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It Or Leave It coming up. Love It Or Leave It is brought to you by Tommy John, whether you're stuck on a long flight or parrying through a full work day. The wrong underwear can ruin your entire day. But Tommy John has completely solved that, introducing their new dry comfort underwear, designed to keep you cool, dry and comfortable year round. It helps regulate your temperature, so it's not just for summer. It's built for comfort in every season. What sets it apart is Tommy John's first ever brushed microfiber fabric. It gives you an ultra soft luxurious feel while still delivering elite stretch, breathability, and moisture management. Plus, you still get all the signature details. The stay put, waistband, the quick draw fly, and supportive contour pouch. Got to have that pouch. I love Tommy John, but we're at every day.

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31:00It's time to tuck into another delightful interview with my next guest, Trinny the Tuck! Welcome. Hi. Thanks for being here. Wow. This is messy. It's a little messy. And wait till we get to the questions. Okay. So I want to start with this because we've never met and I was so excited to talk to you because I want to just play this clip. So just to set up this clip, this is from Snatch Game All Star 7 where it's one of the best Snatch games of all time. Jinx is playing. Wow. You had to bring up her as the best Snatch Game of all time. I'm about your trust me. I'm going to have such a compliment for you. Thank you. Just just just please, I promise. So Jinx is playing Judy Garland. You are playing Leslie Jordan. And I believe you have one of the best jokes I have ever seen on an unscripted show. I think and I want I'm here. I want to play the clip because it is truly probably my favorite joke ever on Drag Race.

32:04So I just want to play the clip. I'm the best from all time. They changed it to Drag Race. That if you that I fucking was that just off the top of your head was that just in the moment you thought of that and did that joke was there any part of it that was scripted. You do know what was coming. No, I you know I was bored at Snatch Game because it was literally the Jinx show. She literally was incredible. And I was just there. I was like, girl, I'm so I'm like ready for this to be over because she's literally singing and singing and singing. And then I was like, oh wait, she set the wrong lyrics. And then I was like, she changed it to Drag Queen. And so it just came out naturally. And I was just talking to somebody about this had RuPaul interrupted at any point before that. I would have never said that. And then it wouldn't have been right. It was such a great, it was so funny because it was sort of this unremarked upon thing

33:09in the show. And actually it goes to something deeper about the show. So the original lyric was like, gentlemen, start your engines, made the best woman rate win. And then it was changed to Drag Queen. To Drag Queen. In part because there were non-binary people, trans people that were participating. And like it was so and and Jinx used the old lyric, which was fine. And then you did that. I wonder if you thought about how Drag Race has changed. You've changed how you identify since being on Drag Race. I think a lot of people that were on the show, especially the very early seasons, it was still at a time when it was cisgendered men being Drag Queen. And now it's changed a lot. And I wonder how you feel about that. I think that the show has evolved. The vocabulary has evolved. Like knowledge has evolved. For me, Drag has always been not just an art form and something to explore like creative stuff, but also to explore gender identity and how I feel in that form.

34:17So I always have identified as an in between before I even knew what non-binary was. And so when the non-binary movement became really popular, I was like, would you tell I'm right now? So in, yes. Love it. But that's kind of, I was like, that's what I mean. But when I say in between, it's like I, of course, was born a man. And if someone called me a man, it's hard to offend me. But I genuinely feel very like not either or. You said when you had posted something and then deleted it. And I'm sorry if I shouldn't bring it up because you deleted it. But I thought it was very vulnerable when you talked about how you viewed yourself as trans non-binary. And in that post you talked about your struggle with whether or not to identify as a woman, in part because you worried about whether you would look in the mirror and like the woman

35:20you saw. And I wonder if you've, if, how you feel about that has changed, if that's still how you feel. So I didn't, I deleted it off of my feed, but I had it in my, like, the little bubble thing that you have on your, like, the story thing. I don't know what it's called. Maybe an Instagram too complicated or on tour. I can't. Technology is, I'm ranting. But I didn't delete it. It was somewhere on my profile, somewhere the kids could find it. And so I still think to this day that I'm still exploring, like, how I feel. I would have transitioned a long time ago and I actually did try whenever I first started a drag. Like I got on hormones and all of that. I just, I am a very vain person and probably going to help for that. And I really want to not get into a situation that I'm going to regret. And I, so I think if I can't look how I want to look, I'm, I'm fine looking how I look

36:24out of drag now. So I'd rather be semi comfortable than like really uncomfortable if I were to make the wrong decision and regret it later. But it was, what I, what's interesting to me about that is I think in part because there's so much hostility to gender non-conformity, whatever that looks like. And there's so much, there's so much politics. There was, there was a lot of like, on the part of people, pro trans, pro trans movement, the pro LGBT movement, there's a lot of fear around allowing any connection between body dysmorphia or just like just not liking the way you look and gender dysphoria, which is not feeling like you're the gender that you were assigned when you were born. But they are a little, they are connected for people. And that, and maybe if we weren't so worried about what happened in politics, we'd be able to be more honest about the connection between how you want to present regardless of gender and how you want to present in your gender.

37:26What is really interesting is people in general, especially in politics, try to fit everybody. You're either this or you're that. And as humans, no two humans have the same experience regardless. No two humans think exactly the same. No two humans go through life the exact same. And two people that are questioning their identity, whether it be sexuality or their gender are totally going to think totally different. I don't, even if I was to transition to live my life on the binary of being a trans woman, I still don't, I didn't grow up feeling like I was a little girl as a little kid. So there's other trans women who have grown up feeling they were born a little girl. So it's different for everybody. That's why I say non-binary because I don't, even if I was to get beautiful breasts,

38:32I still don't know that I would identify as a trans woman. I would still be non-binary. Non-binary, beautiful breasts. Yeah, exactly. Now, I didn't realize when you were the co-winners of All Stars with Monet that you didn't film it as a tie. I didn't know that. You didn't see the reaction? Well, I saw the reaction, but I thought that was, that I thought I didn't understand. What was happening when this, when you found out? We were all confused. So we were watching this at a bar across the street from a Wow studios and like their office building. And so Monet thought, she won, I thought, I won. But you filmed it both ways. Yeah. Yeah, there's a double crowning. So because there were leaks during Rajas season, I think that was like season three, since then they've done multiple crownings.

39:33So you actually find out when it airs? You find out when it airs. And so Monet thought, she won, I thought, I won. And what's crazy is, while we were getting dressed, there was a leak on Reddit that my boyfriend who was dressing me that backstage and Monet's dresser saw. But because all the world of wonders staff was back there, they couldn't tell us. They were literally this close to us and they knew that it was a tie and couldn't tell us. And so we're just like, we won. I won, I won. She's just like, I won. And so when it showed, I was like, what the hell? And at first I always, I always used to tell people I was confused. Like I didn't hear. But it was more like, I can't believe they did this. And if I don't get this full $100,000, I'm going to be pissed. But you did both get the hundred.

40:33But we both did get the hundred. That's a cool one. And so after that, when I realized we actually got the hundred, I kind of calmed down. But you know what, I'm in it for the money. And so that's when it hit us. And you know, we, they took us immediately from there after we found out to the Casey Musgrave concert. No, it was not fun. Not because of her, they had its backstage the whole time. And they brought us out at the end of our concert to do like the big announcement to like the world. And backstage, when we're waiting for hours, we pull each other to the sun. We're like, I wish they would have just picked you or they should have picked me. And because as a competitor, you want to win or you rather the beat that the person because a tie can take away from that. But what we really learned throughout that year, we didn't, our reigns did not cross paths

41:35a lot. We looked separately, probably because both of our fees were a lot. But later on, like we, after we gave up the title, we did tour a lot more together. And I would not change that for anything. I really love Moni. I think she's so different than me. And one thing, because when we won together, this was in the height of the Black Lives Matter movement and all of this rhetoric of Black versus White. And it really had me thinking much after we found out that we won, how great it was on an international television show that you have a Black person and a White person both queer being uplifted and shown as equal. And that really made me feel very okay with that decision. Now, Monet did say later on the show that you were a little savage about in competition.

42:39Are you, how are you as a competitor? How tough? I'm a hungry bottom, honey. I wanted all. No, I'm a Patrick Queen. So I'm a competitor. I definitely, I will say I'm a fair competitor though, because there's times that I could have been shady, especially on All Stars 4, that I didn't. I really wanted to compete against the best. So I did not try to sabotage other people. I wanted to be. Are you thought about it? Of course. What was an example of a time where you could have played dirty? Well, the time that I eliminated, Latrice, who had already been eliminated, there were several of the girls that made it to the top four that I could have just eliminated. I could have pulled their lipstick and then eliminated them instead. And I think Monet was in that group. Wow. Yes. But, at the time I really played fair. The thing is though, if I was to go back now, they changed the rules and how they play

43:43the game now. It's very much strategy and I would be so shady. I would be vicious. I want to go on traders. You should go on traders. I want to go on traders. Let's go on traders pretend we hate each other. Yes. I would be the best fateful. It's exciting. How do we get this? Let's get this. Hey, send this to peacock. Yeah. Hey, get this to peacock. Bill, get this to peacock. Send these to our contacts at peacock. Send it to the bird. Does anybody know anyone? Does anyone know anyone at the bird? Sorry. You just finished your European drag tour for the naked tour. You're now headed to Brazil and Asia. How is like a US audience different than an international audience? What it comes to drag? I think the US is so spoiled. We have so much great drag here and you can find it anywhere, especially in LA. I think the fans here are so spoiled.

44:45They're kind of like, it's Trinity. But like going to Brazil where up until maybe last year they just got a franchise in Brazil of drag race. Like, it would be few and far between that the queens would travel down there to Brazil to do shows. So it would be insane. It would be insane. I don't know if you've ever heard from other guests like musicians would go to Brazil and everybody would be like, come to Brazil, come to Brazil, come to Brazil. Literally all of my comment section come to Brazil. Come to Brazil. And so they're way more excited in places that they don't get drag all the time versus the US. Although my fans here are amazing too. But I think that in places that don't, it's like I'm from Alabama girl, the country. I grew up in a town where we didn't even have a red light. So if there was a band that was coming, we were really excited. So I would imagine it's kind of the same.

45:48When you don't have a lot of that, like something cool, when something cool comes to town, you get excited about it. Something cool is coming to town. Yeah. Now, it's time for segment we're calling Trinity Untocht. The body is here, bitches. That was nice. Now you host a podcast called I Live For This where you and Chantel Sparkles, you get pretty personal. I don't think it's a lot you don't talk about. So we have a lightning round game in which we want to ask you hard hitting questions in one of your quick reaction. Okay. Here we go. Trinity Untocht, lightning round. Are there any trends in drag right now that you think are repulsive or even worse, boring? Oh, yes. Then drag artists just straight up copy other things that they see. I need some creativity. I need you to be something different. I also think I know we're supposed to like all drag, but girl put on a pad.

46:50I want to see a little bit of shape. It makes the clothes look completely different. Some people, there are caveats. Some people have that model-esque body and they can get away with it. I want to see somebody that I would rather see somebody that's very voluptuous with a lot of shape than a little rail with some fabric on. I just need some shape. We need some shape. Are you afraid of getting old? Of course. Girl, I've had like three face jobs by now. I say that like nose and all of that. Yes. Who does that? I don't want to get old. I am getting old. I'm getting old. Some people don't. I'm afraid of getting old, but some people have a better attitude about it because they understand that it's inevitable and to be afraid of something inevitable is to give up your skin. Well, I'm just to be used to surrender to something into which you have no control. Okay. Well, before I was on drag race, I was also a national makeup artist for brand. I got to put makeup on very mature skin and I don't want to look like that.

47:58All of fans, if anybody is old and you are embracing it, good for you. Well, that can never be me. But they won't. You understand the alternative. What? Well, you have enough face lips where my lips are out to here? Yes. Oh, I see. Thank you. No. Yes. Oh, you know what I found out that we both had our ears pinned back? Yes. I regret it because I think having point ears, my ears out would have been like a signature for me. Do you regret getting your ears pinned back? No. I don't regret anything. One of those. No. I have all of the pieces of skin. I'm actually making a puzzle as we speak. Oh. That's so beautiful. Wow. What a beautiful piece of art. What a lovely. Cut it off. Great. Is there a celebrity you want to tell the stop getting work now before it's too late? No. I think, listen, I think that if you, plastic surgery is personal and if that is something that you want to do and it's not hurting you and you are happy, yes, do it.

49:06And if you are happy with the way you look naturally, good for you. But I support anybody that does anything that doesn't hurt anybody else to be happy. I agree. I agree, Plyley. I also think I agree with all of the, I also like that you talk about it because I think people pretending they haven't done it. I think is the wrong world. Oh, I think the Kardashians. Can I say that here? You can say Kardashian. Okay. Yes. If you look at it before an after picture, girl, there, nobody's believing that, sweetie. No one's believing that. Okay. So you're about to be on drag race for the first time. You can go whisper something into that version of yours right before they go out. You have one last thing, one piece of advice. They're about to go out for the very first time. What would you whisper to yourself right before your first time being on drag race? Immediately seek out the producers and suck their dick. So smart. You want a beautiful piece of advice? Yes. Strategy. That's, and that's called strategy. All right.

50:06Look it up. Strategy. Chess. Yes. Checkers. Yes. If I were to get one cosmetic surgery, what would you recommend? Huh. Your ears pin back. I already did that. Again. How could you say that? No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. No, look it. Let me look. Let me look at you. Let me look at you. You're very handsome. I don't know if I would suggest you have something. I would just make you pay for me to have something. Well, it's got a two for one. Let's just pick something from the menu. It's even get a deal. No. I love a deal. My doctor already, I have a stamp card. The next time I go get another nose job, I'm getting my knees for free. Wow. Yeah. I won't get one half-ball. And on that note, thank you Trinity. Everybody, listen to what I live for this with Trinity Tuck and Chantelle Sparkles and Catch Trinity on the naked tour this fall across Brazil and Asia. To all our friends in Brazil and Asia, listening, check out the tour. Yes. We're right back. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It Or Leave It coming up.

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52:09That right there covers your membership fee. So sign up now before this exclusive offer ends. You cannot get this deal on the website. It's only through our link ThriveMarket.com slash love it. I'm Nate Silver. I'm Galen Drook. And I'm Claire Malone. We're back. This time with our friends at Crooked Media for a new show called Still Counting. Yeah, numbers are hard. Take ser easy. And frankly, numbers have only gotten harder. What does the data actually site? How do we reconcile that with the other things that we're seeing in American politics and around the world? And how do you set the data to understand or maybe even dare to predict the future of American politics? New episodes every Wednesday, starting September 9th. Subscribe to Still Counting on YouTube.com slash at Still Counting Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. Let's welcome Lauren and Brian back to the stage. Come on in.

53:11Let's sit back down. They say the squeaky wheel gets the grease. But what about the cranky wheel? Terrific. Let's find out with a spin of the right wheel. Here's how it works. The wheel will spin in a land of one of our faces. Then you ran to about a top of 60 seconds. It's that simple. Let's spin the wheel. Lauren, it's landed on you. What would you like to rant about for 60 seconds? Online reviews. OK. OK. If you're going to leave an online review about a product, a place, a food, you can't include your personal problem that happened to you while dealing with that thing. You can't give something one star because you had a bad day. And you can't give shoes one star because they didn't arrive on time for your event. I hate when I go online and I'm trying to buy something or go to a restaurant. And the reviews are all skewed by people who have their personal problems coming in the way. And I have to talk for 30 more seconds if you can believe that. I will because I can talk about anything at any time.

54:12I'll give you a one star review really quick for something that I just experienced. OK. I want to think of it right now. The thing that it was. Oh, my husband having the lettuce disease. He got the lettuce disease. I think so possibly right now. And then we've been dealing with that at home. OK. One star for having the lettuce shits. Wow. Yes. And I have five seconds to go like this. Yeah. Thank you. I feel like getting the lettuce disease now is like just when you thought it was safe to go back in the lettuce. I know. We thought we were out. Now tofu has ink in it. What's with the tofu? I just read that right before I came out here. Oh, no. Not the tofu. Uh, let's spin it again. Brian, it's Lenz on you. AI in like Apple music and Spotify. Oh, here we go. Oh, I should have done that. I could have put up 10 seconds by doing that.

55:12To Android's dream of electric sheep. Maybe I don't care. But robots make shitty mix tapes. I've had, I've made mix tapes most of my life. And I've done it on my own. And I've let some AI do it in the last couple of years. And it's terrible. Like they'll get it. I'll go like, hey, play Iron Maiden. They'll play Iron Maiden. And then they'll go, what about the food fighters? And I'm like, what about go fuck yourself? I didn't mention the food fighters. Why are you bringing up the food? They're nothing like Iron Maiden. Like, what a stupid fucking robot. Like, listen to good music. I suggest you just priest. That fits with Iron Maiden. Do your homework, stupid robots. Yeah. Yeah, the algorithms that kind of create the playlist, your discover list, and all the rest, they go through these phases where it's like, sometimes,

56:15it's like, hey, I know that I listened to three songs from 1950s, like Rock. But I like other music. Right. That was three songs. Now I'm only hearing Jimmy Valentine and the something sisters. And it's like, I need something else. I need the food fighters. That's the problem. Which I love. Sorry. Sorry that you're wrong about that. I play my kids music on Apple Music. And then suddenly I'm getting fed Danny Go and between all of my Fleetwood Mac, which is not what I want to listen to either. So during the pandemic, my number one song of the year was Rain Sounds. That's so sad. You love Rain Sounds. Yeah, yeah. I need some noise to quiet the noise so that I may sleep. Spotify. But then it might suggest you like Rain Sounds. So you might like reigning blood by slayer. And it's like, no, no, I don't. But I do.

57:16But I wouldn't want Rain Sounds. Can I tell you an intrusive thought I had when I was in a Rain Sounds era, which is I would go and pick a 12 hour recording of Rain Sounds? And I thought, God, and I'm so sorry to put this into the universe. I'm sorry. What I would think is if you could make a 12 hour thing of Rain Sounds. And then at hour four, you put in class breaking, window opening, footsteps. Where's the money? Where's the money? So scary. And you would not know. Because how would you just choosing? It just looks like Rain Sounds. And someone would fuck up your fucking brain. You'd be fucked up forever. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's scary. And so then I would be like, how do I trust this Rain Sounds? You would never know which one it's in. Yeah, you could check all the right. Do you have any intrusive thoughts, Trinity? Oh, yes. About five while y'all were talking. All right, it's been an even.

58:17MUSIC PLAYING Trinity, what would you like to rant about? OK, so I am tired of people trying to turn drag queens into Disney princesses. I mean, I literally am a glorified stripper. It's in my name. Trinity the Tuck. I have a penis I know. And it goes between my butt cheeks. I don't want to read books to children. I don't like children. I embrace the phrase drag is dangerous. Because I hate children. And some drag queens, I get it. They can read to children. I am from Alabama. I can't even read. So I say, bring back crass drag. We suck dick. Some of them do drugs. I can't. My nose will collapse. But, yes, bring back crass drag. We say shit, fuck, and we still have sex.

59:19Yes. Yay. Yeah. Bring it back. I love that. I love that. Let's spin it one more time. All right, I'm going to just, the first sentence is going to be trouble. Trouble. OK. I'm not sad, Dolly Pardonnide. And I know how that sounds. Because, and if you're sad, I respect and understand why you're sad. But my honest reaction to the death of Dolly Pardonn is, if we are sad about Dolly Pardonn dying, then we're sad about the best version of what it means to live a life. Because here's somebody that came from nothing, became an international star. And it was a no-hitter. There are no misses. There's no, she was incredible. She is beloved by all. There's no scandal. There's no years in the wilderness after an insincere apology. There's just books to children. And being beloved and beautiful music

1:00:20and having a 50-year marriage and then leaving the earth one year after your beloved husband, having had a beautiful career and getting to see the full resolution of your talents and becoming an icon. It's like, if you are sad when someone like that goes, what the fuck hope does the rest of us have? When I die, when I die, I want to say like, you know what? That's a wrap. I did OK. I did the best I could, and I got to the end. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. I think it's a good perspective. I do feel very sad that she died, and I was definitely crying about it. But I also think that she had a great life. Absolutely. But I think people were mad that one of the good ones went away again. And there's so many terrible options that would have been better. Yeah. Well, I mean, like bad people, that would have been a better option. 80-year-olds. Sure. There's some 80-year-old, yeah. You could just say Trump. Yeah. I would just, you know, hell is patient. As the saying goes, and I hope you're patient, because we are back.

1:01:20Woo! Woo! And we're back. And we're back. Woo! I'd say this evening show was perfect to a fault. Fortunately, my producers wrote down all the faults they found in my performance tonight, which is why it's time for a second. We call second thoughts. Here's how it works. I have a list of second thoughts as suggested by the producers of this show for ways in which I could say to do better in the future. They have a lot on there. Yeah. They have a lot of notes. They have a lot of criticisms. And that's how we improve. That's how we improve. If you have any second thoughts, would welcome them, I would also note that we've introduced something called the kudos. And that's where I've done something that they think is good. And if I have done something good, they tape an M&M to this piece of paper. That has not happened in many weeks. I wrote a play about election monitors and performed it myself. I needlessly introduced a joke about the god Narcissus

1:02:22that we all knew wouldn't work. And I'm sorry. I also used the term sweater puppies. Nice. For boobs. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I'm sorry. It's a regret. It's regretting. Like the 50s? That's an old one. Yeah, sweater puppies. I don't know when that would be from. Doesn't feel. Why are they puppies? I immediately said to my guest, quote, you weren't very high up on the call sheet. That's not bad. That's not bad. It's not bad. For me. My cookie, OK, was it? Yeah, he's fine. Yeah, he's fine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't keep saying I have a Bugatti. People will believe me. Oh, I did believe it. I can't believe it. I fully believed you. I don't know anything about cars. So I just was like, sure.

1:03:23Yeah, well, because I have a, I mean, they're kidding. I have a Bugatti. Oh, OK. Oh. Oh, no. It's not like a crazy one. It's like one of the sensible kind of daily kind of a great commuter Bugatti. And it's not like lime green or anything. It's just orange. It's just like, which is basically red, which is fine. It's just normal car colors. The bright orange, run of the mill, commuter Bugatti. I tried to wedge myself at the Trinity's inevitable trader season. I tried to ride your co-tails right all the way to the, just Scotland. You would have been an immediately my target out of there. I told you strategy. Wow. Shouldn't you not say that? Yes. Interest of thought. Do anyone have any regrets? My regret is my rant, because I didn't, you know, I was just, I was just tap dancing, you know. You take it great.

1:04:23No, it was so fine. I just couldn't have to use the full time. It's more like a time, it's a speed limit. I wish I had known that. Yeah. But I was sort of enjoying you. I was enjoying you flailing. You sort of, you've decided that you had to go the full length of time. I decided that and I decided to flail. You know, it was a lot. And I just take it back. And I wish, you know, I think everyone's reviews are great. Mm. I, I guess I regret saying I hate kids. No. No, because I should have said I really fucking hate kids. I'm at a beautiful place to leave it. Thank you so much to Lauren Lapke, Spritebosan, and Trini, the Chuck. There are 62 days until the midterms will be back on Friday with Bruce Campbell and Paula Poundstone. Have a great night. Love and Relief is a crooked media production. Our show is produced by Kendra James, Dome of Graph, Kelsey Gante, and me, John Love. Our production team includes Hallie Keeper, Sarah Lazarus, Roman Borcellino, Peter Miller, David Toll's Claudia Shang, Jay Banks, Gavin Purcell, and Matt DeGro, and our staff is proudly unionized with the writer's Guild of America East.

1:05:28I'm Nate Silver. I'm Galen Drook. And I'm Claire Malone. We're back. This time with our friends at crooked media for a new show called Still Counting. Yeah. Numbers are hard. Take so easy. And frankly, numbers have only gotten harder. What does the data actually cite? How do we reconcile that with the other things that we're seeing in American politics and around the world? And how do we use that data to understand or maybe even dare to predict the future of American politics? New episodes every Wednesday, starting September 9th. Subscribe to Still Counting on YouTube.com, slash at Still Counting Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.