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1:16Welcome to Love it or leave it, I'm John Love it. And we cut the original joke that went here because it bombed. And we've got a great show for you tonight, but first let's get into it. What a week. Turning point USA just announced a nationwide university tour and I can't help but notice the name they've chosen for it. America, love it or leave it. So if anyone in here is confused and came to see Charlie Kirk, I have some bad news and then some much worse news. But welcome. Metta on Wednesday agreed to pay $17 billion and impose new safety rules as part of a settlement over claims that its social media platforms were addictive and harmful to children and teens. Now a little alert will pop up when your child gets and eating disorder. Metta also agreed to other restrictions including a daily two hour time limit and a default ban on access to the apps late at night.

2:20And if a teen wants to use Instagram to bully someone, they'll have to first complete a capture to prove that they're actually cool. The settlement also requires Metta to block notifications during school hours because we want to make sure nothing disturbs kids in the classroom between active shooters. Remember earlier when I said, also that some of them might be dark. That was one of the dark jokes we were talking about. And then there's flock, a tech company that has built a network of over 120,000 cameras conducting 20 billion vehicle scans a month across 49 states. If you do the math, that's every state but one. But is there a downside to this vast network of cameras and sensors in the hands of a private corporation? No. Yes. Traffic cameras have exposed the ways in which a subset of dangerous drivers pose a risk to the entire community.

3:22But Fox cameras aren't limited to tracking plates. The company's AI technology could potentially identify individuals based on facial features, clothing and wireless devices. 50 police officers have been accused or charged with misusing the technology, including accessing camera data to stock their exes. And the craziest part, it worked. They got back together. She didn't realize how much he cared. Federal immigration officials have used state and city police networks as part of an enforcement operation, an violation of state and local laws. One sheriff in Texas searched across 83,000 cameras for quote a female who had an abortion. Fortunately the woman had taken the now obligatory precaution of stocking up on abortion wigs. You're right about that one. Box CEO Garrett Langley went on Fox News this week to try and win over his critics but did not exactly make a compelling case. I value my privacy. My family values in privacy, my employees value their privacy. But what we're talking about is safety as well.

4:24And so I think when people talk about just one of these privacy or safety, they're prioritizing the wrong thing. What we have to prioritize as a country is compromise. This is a classic argument, the idea that we must balance these two opposing needs, privacy and security. It's the same one we heard from the Bush administration after 9-11. But much like the official explanation for Tower 7's collapse, I'm not buying it. The Constitution's protections against violations of privacy, including unreasonable search, are not contingent on the government's justification for that violation because one crime does not recommend another. And even if you accept Fox logic, Fox cameras are not being installed in response to a massive crime wave. Crime is historically low and Jeffrey Epstein is dead. Not saying any crime is good, but that a new technology might allow additional crimes to be solved at the expense of individual rights is not balancing safety and privacy. It's arguing that we collectively choose to give up our privacy on the promise of safety. And you don't have to take my word for it. Fox's actual statement of its mission on its website reads, and I quote,

5:27Our mission is to eliminate crime full stop. It's like did no one learn the lessons of minority report, even those freaky, deaky, tub people made mistakes. And sure enough, Flock has led to a number of wrongful arrests and even jail time as a result of false identifications. In Toledo, a man was held at gunpoint and attacked by police dogs after Flock confused the numbers 2 and 7. That is so stupid. Why would anyone's license plate be back 7 to the future? Why would anyone's license plate be back 7 to the future? Why would anyone's license plate be back 7 to the future? to insolisance plate be back seven the future. LAUGHTER LAUGHTER Why would anyone stop his plate? Be back seven the future. Dozens of cities, including Los Angeles, have ended contracts with flock.

6:27The most recent was Tempe, Arizona, where the mayor said in a statement Wednesday, we have to be able to provide public safety in a way that maintains the trust of our community. For Tempe, that means taking these cameras down. Responded flock CEO, that's disappointing. From the mayor, I expected more from someone with such a normal penis. LAUGHTER Can we show a picture of the mayor of Tempe, Arizona? Personally, I would have messed with a guy that looks like he could make your head explode by thinking about it real hard. LAUGHTER This guy's got a cool head. Bernie Sanders posted, going to the doctor, flocked nose, dropping your kids off at school, flocked his tracking you. Added Bernie, lied about going to the doctor, while actually meeting up with your ex and, yes, having sex, but even worse, exchanging the kind of warm, loving chit chat and inside jokes. You never share with your wife anymore, who you haven't felt close to since before. The kids were born. Flock knows that, too. And on some level, so does your wife. LAUGHTER And Libertarian Senator Rand Paul responded to Langley's suggestion of a compromise by tweeting, quote, our founding fathers are rolling in their graves

7:27at this suggestion. No, they're not. Replied flock CEO, Garrett Langley, as he watched a live feed of James Madison's corpse. LAUGHTER Of course, flock isn't the only surveillance technology that's part of this wonderful Panopticon we're building. Earlier this month, news leaked that Apple's next generation airpods will be equipped with tiny cameras feeding data into Apple's AI. Why am I pointed inside the ear? And why did you program me to feel disgust, said Siri? LAUGHTER We can't even see the cameras in action in a clip reportedly included by accident in a developer version of a Mac software update. With visual intelligence, your world becomes savable. See something you like? Just ask me to save it for later. Ah, yes, it's for taking pictures of books. Big, beautiful, bouncing books on the subway. LAUGHTER I can't wait for the next Apple launch event where they're announcing these bad boys. For years, we've heard one request again and again about the airpods that if you drop your airports, they don't fire out of the case and across the room

8:29like tiny fucking RPGs. Bad news, we didn't deal with that at all. But good news, if you forget your keys or what the inside of a public restroom look like, Siri will be able to keep track of that for you. These new airpods follow Meta's lead, which despite privacy concerns, claim to have sold over 7 million pairs of smart glasses. Well, now I know what I'm getting my coworker for Christmas, said a man who's been secretly recording his female coworker since last Christmas. As critics pointed out, Meta's new pervert glasses allow the wearer to film other people without their knowledge. We often say that progress isn't linear, but that's not true for perverts. Perverts live at a world where things are constantly getting better. The pervert looks toward the future with heart and fly open. Earlier this year, an investigation by Swedish journalists found that contract workers for Meta, who were hired to help Meta's AI identify objects in videos, complained about having to review footage taken with Meta's Rayban smart glasses that included people having sex and using the bathroom, said one weeping employee, and in some cases, both at the same time.

9:32Meta responded, actually, by ending that contract. Whether it's algorithmic feeds that lift up rage in paranoia or the destruction of the business model of journalism or a culture in which we are filming each other all the time, the people who profit from the technology are the most insulated from its harms. Meta denies wrongdoing in that big $17 billion settlement, but no one on Earth is more careful about keeping their kids away from social media than the wealthiest parents in Silicon Valley. Floc executives aren't worried about being tracked by border control or jealous X's because they're American citizens and their relationships don't generate that level of passion. And Mark Zuckerberg is an afraid of a customer filming him because he was having a bad day and was a little rude about remaking a latte. Mark's on his private compound in Hawaii, practicing a conversation he'll never have in the most expensive mirror you've ever seen. And we should be furious in demanding laws that protect privacy and allow us to control our data and its use. But the problem is about more than what we've allowed these companies to do to us, but what we've used their products to do to each other.

10:33I saw a video recently of a woman describing a bad experience she had at a restaurant in LA. After a server chastised her when her kids were making noise. The kind of post you see all the time and of course she named and shamed the restaurant. And of course in the comment there was a lively debate. I'm so sorry that happened to you. I'm sorry you can't control your kids. And so maybe the server was rude or maybe that person is always rude or maybe just before her shift her mother texted the family group chat a picture of her younger brother's new baby and a passive aggressive comment about how happy he is that he moved back to their hometown unlike our little dreamer in Los Angeles. We are skeptical when a private company claims that cameras can eliminate all crime. We should be just as skeptical of a culture in which we use our cameras to address the minor indignities and frustrations that come with sharing a planet with other messy self-involved, busy, emotional human beings. Don't be the flock, you don't want to see in the world. Just do what I do. Fan out 10 $1 bills on the table and say to your waiter, this is your tip. I'll take away $1. Every time I don't feel like I'm the center of your universe. And finally, beloved actor Tim Curry,

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16:44It is not authorized by any candidate or candidates committee. All right, please welcome to the stage. He's a Gen Z. Pundit ripping conservatives a new A. It's Adam Mhackler. Hey. How are you doing? Thanks for having me on. Yeah. Are you not allowed to cuss? What's ripping them a new A? Oh, I weekend say all the words. And send off and do. There's a couple we said have said and then have been told to you. Like what? You know, there's a couple. I can think of a few. You can think of a few. Think of a few and just know it's always the word where it's like, yep. Okay, yeah, I got it. So Donald Trump declared mission accomplished in around this week with a beautiful post. As you reflect on the ups and downs of the war, how proud are you of Trump for finally getting it done? He's gotten it done like 30 times thus far. Where day 180 into this 180 days into this war that was supposed to be four to six weeks long and we've gotten zero of our objectives achieved. We were supposed to denuclearize them. That didn't happen. We were supposed to regime change them.

17:44That didn't happen. They said we were going to destroy their missiles. That didn't happen. Trump is still hiding in carts in Turkey because his life is in danger. And then finally they said we would stop their ability to fund proxies in the region. That didn't work either. So the war is failing. It's absolutely awful. And it's costing us a lot of money. Yeah, I don't care for the war either. War is bad. I think it was a huge mistake. Yesterday, the Wall Street Journal ran an op-ed that called JD Vance. The GOP's Obama. Some obviously getting a quite a response from the crowd. I'm trying to think of all the ways in which that's true. Are there any in particular that jump out to you that make the comparison so apt? It's hard to pick because it's so apt in so many ways in which they are alike. Well, Obama has charisma. JD Vance has none. He has none. Zero raise, as my generation says. I think Obama is a liberal and he believes in liberal values.

18:44JD Vance seems to be the antithesis of that. Obama has nothing to do with Peter Teal. I don't know. I don't see it. What's the comparison? Look, they both drew on their family background, which was, you know, they both experienced sort of difficult parts of their childhood. And from that, built an idea of what they believed they should be doing in public life. Obama's was about knitting a nation together based on a shared set of values that recognized that people of different faiths and politics can ultimately find common ground rooted in a shared set of ideas about what America is. And that's a love America is to understand it is always changing. And our job is to figure out the best way to be part of that change. JD Vance, opposite. Yeah. He experienced a lot of hardship when he was a kid and then developed a theory of what caused all of that.

19:47Wrote it down, then said, actually, no, forget that. We're going to do the Trump thing for a while and the tech thing. I mean, like it's just, he just is a, I don't know. There's no real way to tell a story. Like JD Vance does not have a coherent story he tells from what led from his youth to where he is now. In part, because what he says now is completely different than what he would have said seven or eight years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that Obama doesn't have that type of massive change in ideology over a small period of time. So I don't know. I don't get to comparison. Yeah. It's interesting about charisma because it's a hard thing to define, but we know it when we see it. I've always thought that there's a curve, which is basically there's a line. People have a certain amount of personality and they have a certain amount of charisma. And if you have more personality than charisma, you're bullish and deeply annoying. That's fair. If you have less personality than charisma, you're cool and aloof.

20:49And like, kind of people, you've real charm and people kind of want to kind of get to know you because you seem kind of cool. But I don't really know what happens when you go into negative charisma. Like what I actually, it's like mathematically undefined to sort of like the reman hypothesis. It's like we don't know what happens. Like you have to like get to the other side of the chart and it leads to a lot of strange implications. You know? He's like a black hole of charisma. And you know what I like about it to keep your science and knowledge is going. I like how hard he tries when he's on stage. Yeah. He'll go to Ohio. He'll go to his own home state and try to tell a joke. And the audience will just sit there and not laugh. Kind of like the first joke that you tried at the very beginning. Yeah. And several others throughout the fucking monologue. Yeah. But at least you picked it up. This guy is consistently bombing on stage with the same jokes over and over. So first of all, you started a YouTube channel when you were nine years old. Is that right? Yeah. And it was devoted to Minecraft. In Call of Duty, Minecraft called Minecraft Call of Duty. Was it a subtle slow transition to politics where it slowly crept in or was there one day where it was Minecraft?

21:53And the next day it was politics. You know, it was slow and subtle. It was over the course of a decade. I used to get home from school and make these Minecraft videos. And I got really solid editing in the process. I remember in high school, I privateed all of those videos because I wanted to get girls. I didn't want to be like the Minecraft guy. This is the guy that's always playing Minecraft. Oh, yeah. And then I graduated. And you know, I realized there were Trump rallies happening one state over, two states over. I was in Indiana. There were caucuses happening in Iowa. So I started to travel to these Trump rallies and have respectful conversations with them. Just talking to them about politics. And I realized there's a lot of mileage that can happen if you just have conversation with the other side. And don't act overtly condescending. So that kind of built my style and built my flow to where I am. So to answer your question, gradual. Well, it's sort of, we have two different sort of yours is a kind of non-condescending disagreement. I go for condescending agreement. Okay. That's sort of my approach generally to this show. You also though are like, a lot of what people would see of you is not.

22:56Sort of whatever conversations in which, you know, when you're on CNN, you're kind of in a rough entumble. It's not about hearing from the, it's a fight. Like there's a famous moment where Scott Jennings got quite upset with you for getting your finger out of my, didn't you say what do you say? You had it in my fucking face? It's your finger out of my fucking face. That's what he said. Right. And I watched the video. Sorry, I had to get it down with my heart. Your finger wasn't that close to his face. He was quite mad at you. You under the real story? Yeah. It's that, you know what? Be careful who you pretend to be. Because he was pretending to be somebody who could keep up with this war, keep defending this war, and it turned out he cracked under the pressure. I was debating him week after week after week since the war began. You know, he was defending it 10 days in, the Iran War. He was defending it 30 days in. He was defending it 40, 50 days in. And you know, Trump said there was going to be a four to six week timeline. So about 90 days in, we've been on a bunch of panels, and he just can't answer any questions about the war anymore. What concessions have we gotten? He doesn't know. Are we any closer to the nuclear material being removed? He doesn't know.

23:56So there's this dynamic on some of these panels where he kind of plays the role. He plays the time of the segments. He'll sit there condescendingly. He'll smirk. He'll cut other people off. And then he'll lie and just hope that everyone moves on due the time limitations of the segment. And I said, fuck that. If you're not going to play by the rules, I'm not either. I'm going to sit there and try to get a direct answer from you. So I asked him multiple times. Name one concession we've gotten from this war. Maybe I was just stucculating a bit much, but he absolutely felt cornered. And he said, get your fucking hand out of my face. I thought he was going to strike me. I thought he was going to cry in that moment. And you know, in the commercial break right there, I tweeted out like, what did I say? I was like, I literally think he's about to cry, sitting next to me. And it got like two million views. So maybe there's a little condescension right there. I don't know if that's sort of just sort of bickie. A little bickie. Okay, there's another one. Brendan Carr responded to the clip as it was going viral and said, actually, you can say fuck on TV. So I don't care about this. The FCC chair. And I was like, well, can you show a pussy on TV? Because I think CNN just did that.

24:56And it's got got them. They still invited back on. Yeah, that's great. We have of course, they invited you back on. Hey, should we have the guy from that viral altercation that everyone's talking about? No, no, no, we don't want that. No more viewers here at CNN. We're all set on viewers. Too many viewers this week. We said, let's not guild the lily. So I want to talk about what it meant to be part of Gen Z growing up on YouTube. And now, and that is sort of the water use swimming. It's a lot of talk about the ways in which this generation is in some cases. Some parts of it are further to the left. There's also a lot of disaffected people that have gone in the direction of the Andrew Tates. First of all, does the fact that some of these manosphere figures are kind of being exposed? Does that do anything to kind of change the role? I don't know what you'd call them.

25:57These influencers who act like kind of gurus, the place they have or are people shaken loose from this? I think they are, but due to a lot of factors beyond the fact that the tape brothers have been arrested. If you want to know, the tape brothers are sitting in a Florida prison right now about to be extradited to the United Kingdom. Yeah, clap, thankfully. For human trafficking, sex trafficking, rape charges, child sexual abuse material charges, like disgusting stuff. In the court filings, their lawyer is now exposing them and saying that they were renting a lot of their vehicles, their Bugatti's, their Aston Martin's. I made a video about this and I confused Bugatti with Aston Martin and I got emails for days. Don't do that. It's funny, it's sort of like if you're saying that you want gun control, but you accidentally mischaracterize a certain kind of weapon and then you'll be kind of vilified by gun people. But it's that for the people I care about, the difference between a Bugatti and an Aston Martin. I was like, I've never written them either, I don't know. But the point is, Anger Tate is being exposed brutally by his own team because they're desperately trying to prevent extradition.

26:59Trump actually helped him get out of Romania out of the investigation and come back to the United States in February of 2025 because Paul and Grasya, Baron Trump and a lot of people around him were lobbying for this. There are many reports about this in New York Times. So I do think a lot of the Tate's loyal fan base is beginning to shake, but when it comes to young men and anti-socialization, do you want me to jump in or do you know? Yeah, I do it. I just, I think it speaks to a broader problem of a few things combining. Right now, algorithms are uniquely radicalizing young people. You have Elon Musk who owns X and X is like Nazi Germany right now. Like Elon Musk himself will be tweeting fake crime statistics about black Americans, about trans Americans, about immigrants. So he's radicalizing people on mass. We have foreign actors, think like Russia, Iran, China. They want a weak and social cohesion by radicalizing young people. You combine that with the anti-socialization of many young people like they're not smoking, drinking, having sex as much I am. I'm doing all this. Yeah, no, you're fine. You're cool. Everyone knows you're cool. Everyone, okay, cool.

27:59And I get it. I see it. I feel it. I know it. Okay, thanks. Thanks. I'm pretending to be. Be careful to be something you're not. Yeah. Okay, so the reality is, COVID fucked with a lot of young people's brains. I was rather anti-social during COVID. I put a bubble up around myself and wasn't speaking to many people. And I do intentionally tear that bubble down after and start dating again, start hanging out with friends. Many young people didn't do that. They got deeper into their bubble. They got deeper into these algorithms. They're online all of the time with a lack of socialization. And you could even point to Tyler Robinson, someone like that, the guy who killed Charlie Kirk. He was deep in these algorithms. He was deeply radicalized and anti-social. And it kind of is a bad combination. So I think there's this reductive analysis by Republicans where they're like all young people are studying Karl Marx now. No, no, it's not really that. People just want change. People feel disillusioned with the current systems. And they're looking for something different. And it shouldn't be entertained. Yeah, no, and I do think too. There is this effort in the wake of some kind of mass violence or acts of sort of a directed violence,

29:04whether it's a mass shooting or an assassination or assassination attempt. There's this immediate effort to go comb through the record to figure out, well, what was their claim to the justification? Why did they do this? Why are they saying they did this? And everyone is looking at hoping that it doesn't kind of, you know, redown to a criticism of their side that they're not on their team, right? But then like, that is such a, and I get the impulse, right? But really, like, people I think would be uncomfortable to link Tyler Robinson with Luigi Mangione. They would. There's a lot of people that would hear this and people that I think would be view that as some like whatever, like sort of unfair. But what links people that do mass shootings or targeted assassinations is a desire, is first of all being radicalized online most of the time now, and desiring to go out into some kind of blaze of glory, right? And that, and if you see it as that pathway, in the end, yes, of course it matters if the president is stoking violence.

30:06Of course it matters. If as a society we're not rejecting a politics in which we can justify or defend cruel violent behavior. But what, and it matters who's doing it. But if you look beneath that, right, like that pathway is the danger, right? It's what the tech and the platforms allow people to become. And you even see it in less radical ways, like less, it's not always just murder. Mike Collins has a staffer in Georgia who literally posted a swastika made out of the word twink, right? You guys were talking about that. And I mean, that is a very, very good example of a young dude, a young staffer who's radicalized. Paul and Grasya, who works for the Trump administration, has leak texts where he says he has a Nazi streak in him. So there's all these examples. Beyond just Tyler Robinson and Luigi Mangioni, there was somebody who shot up a Colorado school. The same day Charlie Kirk was murdered and he killed multiple people. He was a young dude who was radicalized on forums, on 4chan. And it's a very real problem.

31:06And we have insidious actors in power right now, people like Elon Musk, who works in this. I do think Trump in a top-down way just makes everything more volatile. But there is something to be said about young people just feeling broadly disillusioned. And you know what the worst part is, some of the bad faith actors who take advantage of that are like Andrew Interest and Tate. They're like, you know what we can do? We can act like we have Bugatti's. That's how they say it, Bugatti's. We can act like we have those. And then we can trick young men into buying our course and then just sell hatred for women. So it's pretty insidious, right? Yeah, it's not good. And look, I just want to say, as someone who has a Bugatti, it makes you happy. It's so fun. I love my Bugatti. I'm going to put a fly camera right outside it and just watch your body. That's fine. I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a flock and God can watch everything I do in my Bugatti, which I have. Inspired by your thoughtful consideration of the male loneliness epidemic, we want to close out our combo within a completely thoughtless lightning round.

32:07We're calling, is this man lonely? I will name a man. You tell me, got reaction lonely? Here we go. First up, Pete Hegseth. No, no, he's got a bottle of whiskey with him all the time. I feel like you can be lonely with a bottle of whiskey. He's got, he's got the cap in, he's got Jack, you know, he's got Jack Daniels. I feel like he's going to put a photo of me on screen. Yeah, oh yeah, that's Adam O'Clarat lonely. No, no, no, no. My girlfriend's back there. She's something similar right there. Yeah, yeah, no, you, yeah, no, you're definitely pointing at a person for sure. Yeah, she goes to you. You know, just pointing at a sort of a, sort of a diffuse area of the studio. No, no, there's a real woman back there who is your girlfriend. I believe you. You're good. She goes to different school. Yeah, she goes to not only JD Vance. You know, despite being surrounded by staffers and like-minded people all the time, there's got to be something pretty isolating to selling out your soul and becoming a skin suit for MAGA. Yeah, I think so too. You know that thing if you're like at a loud restaurant or party or bar and you go into the bathroom and there's a buzzing quiet,

33:07I imagine that's around JD Vance a lot of the time. Yeah, yeah. You know that buzzing super quiet. Yeah, lonely. There's this Mac Miller quote, he's like, I've got problems as big as my house. And it's basically talking about the more successfully got, the more lonely he got. That's a lot of these people right there. Yeah, God, I, I don't want to, I was feeling that in my Bugatti the other day. Yeah, yeah. I was like, is this what it's all for? Yeah, it's awesome. I love this Bugatti and how fast it goes and how low to the ground I am. I don't know. You definitely, you definitely know Bugatti is. Chuck Schumer. Oh, man. I think he's more lonely in politics than in life. Yeah, that's actually where I was going with it. Yeah, he's kind of on an island right now. Him and Jeffries are kind of just going through it. I think Jeffries has a self-inflicted sort of wound right now in the form of the Kushner meeting. Schumer, I think he would have been a great operator in like 2010 or maybe like 1810 or something like that. Yeah, somewhere. I think right now in 2020, he's not meeting the moment. Yeah.

34:08So you sort of agree with the kind of, I don't know, online left, broad left view that it was wrong for him, Jeffries, to meet with your Kushner. Listen, it's nuanced. I can understand meeting with the other side about affordability issues and trying to talk to the other side and sit down. Like, I can understand how this is something that happens in politics. However, Jeffries has already pissed off a lot of Democratic voters. He's already seen as weak by the base. Like, time and time again, he has been seen as too soft on this type of stuff. So while I do understand that meetings can happen with the other side, you can't just recklessly go out there and be like, yep, I met with Kushner. It's Kushner even a part of the, it's even like an official part of the administration. He is not an official part of the administration. It feels a little bit odd. So I understand why someone could meet, but this just isn't no. Yeah, I think the problem is not that he met with Jared Kushner. It's that he is not the politician that has done the, that has become for people that are meant to be his supporters. Someone who could meet with Kushner and they'd be like, cool, you give him, you give him a what for. You know, he hasn't done that part of it.

35:09That's the problem. Mamdani met with Trump in the Oval Office, even off the record for a bit. And nobody really had a problem because we knew that Mamdani was assertive. He was likely on message with Jeffries. He hasn't proven that we should be confident in his ability to do that. Yeah. Let's see. Let's do RFK Jr. No, no, he's not lonely. He's surrounded by an array of animals any moment that he's got. Yeah, he's got his open or put the trunk of his car. Absolutely. Next up, Brian Johnson, the longevity guy. Oh, you know what? No, I hope this guy is not lonely. Something about his relationship with his girlfriend is really funny. His wife, he's always tweeting about her. My girlfriend and I always quote this because there's this one tweet. He's like, it's been five days without her. She needs a shower to wash off the dirty world around her. I miss her so much. And I swear I'm not making this up. He also is always talking about the vaginal microbiome. Yeah, for. That's the guy, right? Yeah. We're saying not lonely. He's got all the bacteria he had to hang out with. Yeah, he's got the right floor, the right fauna, all of it.

36:10Well, RFK Jr. is the right fauna. And this guy's got the right floor. All right. And finally, Ray from Girls. Bro, who slipped this guy in here? I don't know. It was, Halley really wanted us to talk about whether or not Ray from Girls is lonely. No, he reminds me a little bit of myself in this photo. So I'd like to think no. Okay, we're going to say no. We're going to say not lonely, good for Ray. Wait, it was his character type. I would say that he's, he's only ornary. I would say needy, kind of obstinate. I think at times lonely, it sort of depends on the season. Depends on the season of HBO's Girls. Thank you, Adam Mogler. Check out the Adam Mogler debate show. I need to talk about all your debates on YouTube and at Adam Mogler on socials. And we'll be right back with Sonomouf Zessian. Zessian. Zessian. And I'm obsessed. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. Love It or Leave It is brought to you by Zazel. Give giving can be really tough. There's nothing worse than showing up with something generic that you're not even sure

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38:16Yeah. Numbers are hard. Take ser easy. And frankly, numbers have only gotten harder. What does the data actually say? How do we reconcile that with the other things that we're seeing in American politics and around the world? And how do we use that data to understand or maybe even dare to predict the future of American politics? New episodes every Wednesday starting September 9th. Subscribe to Still Counting on YouTube.com slash at Still Counting Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. My next guest was Conan O'Brien's assistant. Now she is his podcast co-host and his greatest nemesis. Please welcome to the stage, Sonamovsessian. Hi. Welcome. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having me. This is fun. It's so fun. First, can I tell you that I had to learn a little trick to make sure that I get... I struggle with name pronunciations just because I do it phonetically.

39:16And does it work to say like, oh, Sonamovsessed? Oh, yeah. Has anyone given that to you before? I actually think that when you do the subtitles, it says obsession. Yeah. It's an obsession. That's cool. So it's a good way to remember it. But I was actually saying back there when I heard you pronounce it, you did a really good job pronouncing name. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Well done. Nice. I could tell you live in LA now because it's an Armenian name. Yeah. And you have to learn how to pronounce those. Yeah. There's a lot of us. There's a lot of Armenians here in Los Angeles. Mm-hmm. And that's good. You know what? Some people say it's bad. I think it's good. Oh, who says it's bad? I don't know. You know people. Oh, I know. You know what? Glendale has the highest insurance out of the entire country. Did you know that? No. Yeah. Your first book, The World's Worst Assistant, came out in 2022. Your follow-up, The World's Worst Mom hits bookstores on September 1st. It seems like you're not good at things you're supposed to... You're doing. Would you say your strengths are more vibes-based? I'm a big vibes person. I know my weaknesses and I know my strengths.

40:18And being an assistant, I'm not that good at, even though I did it for 12 years. And then being a mom, I feel like I'm failing every day and I've done that for five years. So I like to stick to it at least. I feel like what we should think about is who would be beside you on the Mount Rushmore of personality hires. You know, personality hires? Oh yeah, I think a lot. If you were a bad assistant for 12 years. Yeah. But you sort of stuck it out. That's like, that's impressive. I mean, it's almost like more... It's certainly more impressive than being a good assistant because, I'm sure, a good assistant is going to last, but a bad assistant, that's amazing. Yeah, well, I think that what I'm good at is I'm definitely a writer-die. You know, like, I'm not like... I mean, I'm glad this is a political podcast. I'm not like a Natalie Harp. Like, I'm not about to write love notes to Conan. Yeah. But I think that I'm loyal. Like, you know, I feel like I will defend him. I yell at a lot of people.

41:19You know, like on the phone if someone messes something up, I do that. I do that really well. And sometimes you have to do that a lot. And so that... I have strengths. What's your style of... When someone's fucking up or you need to yell on behalf of the boss. Like, what is your style for doing that? Well, I start off really sweet. And if they can't help me, then I keep talking. And then it gets to a point where I'm not like yelling, but I'm assertive. And I think it makes a huge difference to be assertive as opposed to just screaming at people. So when I said yelling, I meant I'm just assertive. And I think I can tend to like... I can scare people if I need to. Like, I have a mission and I just like, go for it. That's cool. Is it? Yeah. Okay. I can feel there's an intensity and a way in which you're not breaking eye contact. Yeah, is that what you're... No, it's powerful. You know what else was like that? Like last week was Jimmy Simpson. Remember Jimmy Simpson? And he wouldn't break eye contact with me. And it was cool. One of the... Oh, boils from... Yeah, one of the oh, boils.

42:20From it's always... Yeah, he locks in. Oh, he does? He locks in. Yeah. It's very... oh, boil-esque. Yeah. Well, it's sort of... You see why he sort of gets to play these sort of intents and kind of sometimes freaky dudes. You're saying I'm intense? I think you're intense. I didn't... yeah, I think you're intense. You do? I think there's an intensity. Okay. I'm getting it. You are? Yeah. I didn't know that about myself, but I like that I'm intense. Well, I think you... I think it makes sense because I think you... To be able to hold your own with Conan requires being very intense because... Right? I mean, that must be part of it. I don't think... Well, holding my own with Conan is more... Am I laughing at the things he's saying? I feel like that's been my job security. Yeah, but see... It's been 17 years. He, but see, in the same way that... In the same way that Conan plays down aspects of the way, he's hyper-intense, smart and focused. Yeah. While being goofy. Right. You're laughing at a lot of jokes, but you're holding your own and like not...

43:22He's not... You're still... He's not in charge in the conversation. You're both in charge of those interactions. I mean, I guess so, I think so. You're right. First of all, I came into the game 16 years in for him. So he had this massive following. And it's really... I do think that there's a lot of things that play against me sometimes. I'm not a comedian. I don't do improv. So I'm just this person who worked for him, that he put some front of the camera sometimes and now puts me on a podcast. And that's... I think that that could sometimes be weird for some people. But I think that also takes the pressure off of me in a way. Does that make sense? Yeah. Because I don't have to try to be funny or interesting. Well, but that's... Right. But yeah, but I think like what I'm just thinking, it's like sure, but there's a lot of people who are... Don't have to be funny or interesting, but who would be terrible. So... Well, sure. But I'm saying, but like there's clearly like... You're coming into us, even when you start...

44:22Even when you just describe, like there are many people who might have a great laugh. Right? Who would absolutely wilt and panic being... Just having that role with Conan, but you didn't. There's some kind of assuredness that you brought to it that made it feel special. And that has to do... That's not you as passive. That's like you doing something. I think that not having anything to lose in a way is actually really liberating. Because if I don't... Let's say... So this podcast that we're on, that, you know, it's Conan O'Brien needs a friend, it's a big podcast. If all of a sudden everyone's like, we don't like Zona anymore, you should take her off. I'll just be like, okay, cool. I'm just gonna hang out here then. You know, I'll watch in the green room from now on. Like I think that if it's very liberating when you get to a point where you're like very fine with whatever happens. And I think that that's probably what I give off. Wait, so your husband and dad grew up in Soviet Armenia? Yeah. Well, you grew up in Greater Los Angeles, Armenia. Yeah, I actually grew up in Montabelo.

45:22I'm sorry, I know you said that it was off. Are you from East LA? Yes, I went to Garfield. Oh, you did? My dad graduated from Montabelo High School. East LA, where they caught the night stalker. Right. Yeah, they beat the shit out of him. They got him. Yeah, they did. Yeah. They saw him and they're like, that's the guy and they beat the shit out of him. That's a very LA thing to do. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, no, so we're different. Well, the other thing that's very LA is to get killed by the night stalker. Yeah, yeah, or just a serial killer. Yeah, generally. So what are we doing? I like, well, we get killed by the night stalker. We beat up the night stalker. I didn't know. This is going to be so dark. Yeah. This is so dark. I brought a weird energy today. I know. And you're sitting like that and I sat like this because this is how I like to sit. Well, because you're like folded. Okay, me too. Yeah. Wow, I think so much in common. We do. I like it. Oh, but yeah, he grew up in Soviet Armenia. Wow. Yeah. And no, it's very different. Is it a facture parenting styles? So a little bit, you know, he's so my husband doesn't like staying in line for stuff, like food.

46:26And I think it's because he grew up in the Soviet Union. He says it's not. So I used to go to trendy restaurants before. And now like, we'll go to Panera bread. And he'll think that that's like, oh, we're having a nice, we're going to a nice bakery. I'm like, all the nice bakeries have lines in front of them, but you won't let us go there. So we go to places like Panera bread. And then, you know, he'll show the kids some like Soviet cartoons sometimes. And they're just like weird versions of what we grew up with. So there's Vinnie Poo, which is the Soviet Winnie the Pooh. And, you know, the one here is like a really like affable little bear. And the one there is like, he's voiced by a guy who just smoked a lot of cigarettes. And he's just like, maybe that's what's in there. And he's like, he's speaking this weird Russian. And I'm like, we can't show this to our kids. Everything in the Soviet style is just slightly off. Like the Tom and Jerry is in a cat in a mouse. It's a wolf and a bunny. And I'm like, this is weird. The Soviet version of all this stuff is just weird.

47:26And I think that's why Soviet people in general are just off a little. Yeah, no, I think it's the combination of the weird cartoons and the sort of shadow of communism. Oh, that could be a two. No, no, that's a good point. Maybe it's just the cartoons or the... That's a good point. That's a good point. Deprovation. That's a good point. Yeah, he wasn't allowed to have a VCR. Sorry, I don't know why I'm laughing. It's awful. Like people had to... People had to like sneak in a VCR to people's houses because they weren't allowed to have them. And I was like, you can't even have a VCR. We had a VCR, but all the movies were just taped from television, which means we never had the first 30 seconds of any movie. Oh, no. What did you learn from your years as Conan's assistant? I learned in TV, you know, when you're talking about personality hire, it does go a long way. When you're able to like be a good people person, it does go a long way. So there's a lot of things, you know, I got done just because people liked working with me.

48:31And then with Conan, Conan has this very intense work ethic. He's very, you know, like for him, he doesn't want to put anything out there until it's exactly the way he wants it to be. And I am the absolute opposite in a way. I'm a very like, this is good enough. This will be fine. And then we'll like fix it, maybe tinker it, but this is good enough. I didn't learn any of his work ethic. I don't even know why I brought that up. Like I didn't... I got none of that rubbed off on me. But I just, I think that I really learned... Here's what I learned. And this is actually serious. You can be in a position where people respect you in your field and love you and your beloved figure. And you could still be a very decent person. And that's what Conan showed me. Is that, you know, anytime I hear someone mistreat their staff or as an awful person, I look at Conan. I'm very lucky. And I, you know, I always joke that I'm going to be working for him until he dies. And, you know, which could be any minute because he's like, you know, he's kind of fragile.

49:37And he's tall and like big dogs, you know, they don't last as long. He's just, he's just, tip over. Yeah. He's a dog. And he's Irish. And he's Irish. And he lives in LA. I mean... Yeah, this, yeah. That's a really rough combination. So I do think that it does have a lot to do with just being a decent person and treating your staff very, very nicely. And what if you don't do that? What if you don't do that? Like what if the other way you were like, what if you're just like, what if it's like you lead with fear? You know, and setting people against each other. Oh, I don't know. I mean like a Bill O'Reilly, like a fucking, what the hell do I live? Like that kind of thing? That's sort of my model. I don't know. I don't know if that works. That's your model? Well, let's talk about it. You've committed to a life sentence of having Conan O'Brien for a boss. Yeah. Perfect judge for our next segment. Welcome to Boss Court. Boss Court. Boss Court. Here's how it works. The producers of this show have assembled evidence against me. But also evidence for my defense because they're sick like that.

50:38I will read each exhibit. So now you're going to tell us, based on the evidence, if I'm a good or a bad boss. Ooh, I like this. And this is like my dream of being a judge on one of those judge shows without having to do all the work to get there. I kindly invited us to take nice, unused furniture from his basement. But never confirmed an actual time and date for pickup. And by the time we cycled back to claim the furniture, it had been eaten by rats. Is that true? We had, so I'll tell you something, what happened. Oh, my God. So what happened was, I'll tell you what happened. I live in a home that used to belong to an actor. And she gets these PR boxes. Okay, PR boxes were just thrown over the door into the yard. And I would just collect these PR boxes. And when I first moved to the house, I would text, it's Vanessa Huggins. I would text, I would talk better. I would text Vanessa Huggins. Assistant, I'd be like, can you please come pick up this another round of boxes.

51:38I mean, endless, eth leisure and books and new kinds of all, sunscreens. All these PR companies, you're just sending big, famous people all the stuff. Yeah. It's a window you would, I never knew. The richer you are, the more free stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But eventually, it's like, it's been over a year. And like, we just, at some point, the assistant stops coming, the stuff piles up. What, when my sister and mom would come to town, they would call it going to the mall. And then go look at some of this free shit. And be like, ooh, look, there's like a cool bathing suit, whatever. But unbeknownst to me, one of the boxes was a company. There was just a box in the basement. And it had Proteen Powder for some upstart Proteen Company. And a couple of rats got in the basement. Eighth the protein powder became super strong rats. And it was a concentrated box with so many calories that they, like, it was within a few weeks. Like, unbeknownst to you just rats. And they just ate the chairs. Oh my god. And then, you know what we did? We killed all those fucking rats.

52:39So, at that point, you were like, hey, staffers come get- No, no, no, no, no. Long before. When did you find out? Long before. Long before. It was literally like, oh, we got to find a time. You got to come grab it. Because my partner moved in and there was a bunch of over it. So, I just had extra stuff. Yeah. And so, they were going to come by and check out the furniture. But we never really set a time mostly on me, but partially on them. And then the rats got it. But how long between you sending that, like, hey, come pick up the furniture. Months? Months. You're a shitty boss. Yeah, no, that's on you. Bad boss. Yeah. Oh, your whole staff is clapping. That says a lot about you, Ellen. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh shit. She's never coming back on her podcast. She never was anyway. Isn't she in the Cotswolds? No. Yeah, I mean the Cotswolds. I think the Cotswolds, for sure. I got 532 ounce Diet Cokes from McDonald's. But it was just because they were having a deal. And by the time we got them, they were mostly

53:39flat. According to producer Bill, he made, this is what producer Bill said. He made me join him on an elevator ride to achieve a large delivery order with like five sodas. And then for the entire ride, explain his complex scheme. For I, it's more advantageous to order the five large sodas because it's a better deal. Also, the number of people in the room just outnumbered the Diet Cokes, which was like a sick mind game. Why did you get it from McDonald's? Because of the best Diet Cokes. No, the found ones are the best. That's what it was. It was found Diet Coke from McDonald's. Oh, you had to get it. It was found Diet Coke from McDonald's. Oh, you had pictures of the bottles. Well, that was just an image. That's, yeah. No, it was found in Diet Cokes. Okay. And because there was a discount once you got past four, so I got five. You are such a magnet for those kinds of scams. It sounds like people are like, oh, you get two for the price of one. They're each 64. Well, no, that's not what I'm trying to say. Hold on. No, one is $64. If you pay $5 more, you get the second one.

54:39That's like a little bigger. And you're like, yeah, I'll do that. And you end up buying things you don't really need. Yeah. That took so long for me to say. No, but I do. But I do get the things you don't need. But, yeah, but so you just went to, so you went to McDonald's to get four. You got five. And you were like, I'm going to be nice and give this out to people. You had Bill come and bake it for me. Well, because I couldn't hold five. Okay. Because you're tart. Once you get to five, you need it. You know what? I'm just going to say you're a bad boss. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I just, you're, you're just awful. Yeah, it flacked nothing's worse than flat diet coke from McDonald's. Because you're right. The McDonald's diet coaks are the best. But it was flat by the time we got it. So did you call that McDonald's? Can you call McDonald's? Yeah, you can't. Or I would have driven back. And I would have been like, see, that's, that's cool. That's cool. That's cool. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. I've gotten a refund for what is that? Like, it was, it was like, well, you know, it was like, I can't remember, it was like 17 bucks. Once I got to the first. Yeah, I would have gotten a refund for $17.

55:39It's not even about the money. It's the principle of the thing. Let's do one more. Pulled us aside one day to explain that he was dating one of our colleagues. No! While defensively explaining how they went to HR and signed some sort of document about it. Woo! But did invite us to roast him at their eventual wedding, and we really went for the comedic jugular. Oh, wow. You dated someone who worked here? Uh-huh. A support. Well, everyone's a support and it's like company. Oh, that's true. That's true. Yeah, it was a lot. But you signed his document. I was so worried about the ethics of it. Yeah. That I was like, I was so careful about making sure that the person who I love and is now married to me felt comfortable. Oh, I just see your kids. Yeah, we're married. We got married. Yeah, they loved my life. Oh, that's sweet. And so it was a little bit complicated, but we did sign the paperwork. But it was called a love contract. He invited us to roast him at their... Is what? It's called a love contract? It is actually. Yes, because you have to say you won't keep dating if you don't keep loving each other.

56:42Because you have to say to the company, hey, if you're not interested in each other, you can't stay together just because you happen to work together. So you have to agree that you're not interested in each other. You can't stay together just because you happen to work together. So you have to agree that if you're not in love, you're undead. Oh. Is that an interesting document? That's very weird, though. Yeah. Like, what if you're not there yet? Yeah. I don't know. Okay. And you guys were there. We were there. Well, that's really sweet. No, I like, you know what? I like love. I'm like a 14-year-old girl when I get to like, rom-com stuff. And this feels very rom-com. So I think you're a great boss here. Yeah. I know. I knew I said I was going to beat bad boss the whole time, but you got me. Thank you, son. Prior to the world's worst mom, now or check it out in-sports on September 1st, we'll be right back with the Rant Wheel. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It Or Leave It coming up. Love It Or Leave It is brought to you by SimplySafe.

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58:45I'm Nate Silver. I'm Galen Drook. And I'm Claire Malone. We're back. This time with our friends at Crooked Media for a new show called Still Counting. Yeah, numbers are hard, take so easy. And frankly, numbers have only gotten harder. What does the data actually say? How do we reconcile that with the other things that we're seeing in American politics and around the world? And how do we use that data to understand or maybe even dare to predict the future of American politics? New episodes every Wednesday starting September 9th. Subscribe to Still Counting on youtube.com slash at Still Counting Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. Let's welcome Adam back to the stage. Adam Mochla returns. Sit here with us. Welcome back. There's nothing like a short spin after a long week because it's time for the rant wheel. Oh no. Here's our works. We spin the wheel. Wherever it lands, that person rants.

59:46Why do we have a wheel to land on the three people on stage when all three of us are going to get to rant? We don't know. We all get to rant. Yeah, it's just, it's, it's, we've never cracked it. Okay. Let's spin the wheel. No. It has landed on, Adam. What would you like to rant about for 60 seconds? Um, oh, now, okay. I'm really, really sick of men who refuse to change and then complain that women don't actually like them. Women have been forced to change for men for all of human history. And now young men are confused and mad that they have to go outside, put an effort, take a shower, put down the controller, stop watching Andrew Tate, and actually put in some effort to go get a girl. I mean, my girlfriend has changed me for the better. I now have more than three shirts to choose from. I was like a cartoon character, the same few shirts. These pants, seat shows, I have ambient lighting in my place. I used to just have hospital lights, like everything was incredibly bright. I'm on my phone less. It's overall a net positive.

1:00:46And I think that a lot of men can change themselves for the better, can be changed and helped in a relationship. And I think that, uh, yeah, put down the Andrew Tate, go put on Deodorant, go outside, go better yourself, and go try to find someone you love. Oh, that's nice. Thanks, guys. Yeah. Wait four seconds, three seconds. And also, um, yeah, girl. Yeah, no, for sure. I like that. Yeah, I think it's funny the effort thing. Because it's like, I feel like there's a way in which especially when you're young, you're like, ugh. I don't want to pretend to be someone I'm not, because then they'll eventually see who the real me is. So I'm not going to put on a big effort to try to make myself look or act or like kind of put on a show, and that's not who I am. And it's like, no, no, no. You misunderstand the effort you put in going into a date is not about the person you're pretending to be at the end of that effort. The effort itself is proving you're the kind of person who makes an effort. And people should want to be with someone who makes an effort. And if you're not willing to make an effort, that is revealing. That is the person that people don't want to date.

1:01:46Not the person that you're showing up as as the real you. It's the person that didn't make the effort. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's, yeah, that was another good rant. That was perfect. I think there's a self-fulfilling prophecy where people think that I'm not even going to try. I'm not worth it. I think that women will like me. And then because of that, it weakens their confidence interval and stops them from actually trying. So try. Yeah. And it's okay to get rejected. I think that people, did you say, yeah? Did you say, who said, yeah? Okay. Somebody really agreed with me on that. Who clearly gets rejected. I've been rejected alone. No, I'm kidding, I'm totally kidding. I think I'm never speaking again. I do know a poor guy. I think that there's a very risk of a kind of quality that's coming out for a lot of people. And they're very terrified of rejection. And I, you know, before I met my husband, I got to a point where I just started hitting on anything and everything that I wanted to hit on. And I got rejected and sometimes I didn't. And I would leave my number for waiters sometimes if I thought they were cute. So I, you'll be fine.

1:02:47You'll survive rejection. I do think that that's something that is important for young men especially to know. Well, I just want to finish this off by saying rejection is like removed from our society with young men because if I want to go apply for a job, I do it online via LinkedIn. If I want to find a date out that go on hinge before, if I want to get food, I don't even have to go out in public. I can just do it as shit. So we've removed a lot of that social friction in that rejection. Yeah, that's true. Let's spin it again. Oh my God. Son, what would you like to rant about? I want to be honest. I didn't fully know what I was going to rant about. And then when Adam started talking, I was like, yeah, you know what? Men don't go out and get to know women a lot. And so on that point, I would like to talk about Perry Menopause. And here's why. We learn about when it starts. When our whole female puberty starts, nobody tells us what happens to us when it's ending. And I wish someone had told me what happens when it's ending. And as a woman in her 40s, I'm deep in it.

1:03:49I'm angry that no one talked about it before. I feel like you two can just chime in at any minute if you want to, you know, roll with me on this. But it is definitely something that really lacks from female education. It's just, it's just shows how little people talk about what's actually happening with women's bodies in general, which is really frustrating. And I think that I would really love if older generations had warned me about it and nobody ever did. And now I'm deep in it and I'm a little resentful towards my mom especially. What's? Hey, yeah. What would you like to do? What would you like to do? What would you like to do? What do you wish you were warned about? What would happen? You learn about menopause, right? You learn about what happens when it ends, but no one tells you about this period of time which is the buildup to it, which is when your body is like going fucking crazy. Like things are happening, you know, everything's changing, you're itching a lot. Like your body is just weird, things are happening, and you don't know why it's happening.

1:04:52And then you talk to your friends and someone did the research and then you start really going down the deep dive of this whole that is paramanopause. And it's I really wish, I think it's endemic of a lot of other things about how there's very little research when it comes to what happens to women's bodies in general. How the information is not there for a lot of people and things happen to us and we have no idea why it's happening to us. It takes forever for us to get diagnosed with certain things sometimes. So yeah, I'm I'm pissed. I'm ranting. It's really weird. I have a family member who a month ago was talking about the same thing. She's in her 40s going to the same exact thing and said there's not enough research. She has to resort to like Reddit threads and personal experiences because a lot of stuff surrounding pregnancy, like you said, changes in women's bodies is very, very under research and it's a big, big problem right now. Yep. Disagree. Disagree. I think we've looked at it enough. We got a lot of good information and we got to focus on more important things affecting men.

1:05:54There's a lot of things going on in male, male bodies that we don't fully understand. Oh yeah? Yeah. Like what? Oh, tons of stuff. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Let's spin it again. It is landed on me. So, Aeroan, this very fancy grocery store on Los Angeles, just opened up another location. They're getting closer and closer to the magic number which is 20. Because at 20, I think they're at 17 or maybe 18 depending on how you count. At 20, Aeroan will have to start posting calories. And I think that is going to be awesome because that is going to be when people find out what is going on inside of these fucking smoothies, these $16 healthy smoothies and they discover that they've been basically having a fucking dairy queen blizzard for years. It is going to be so thrilling. The streets will run fucking red.

1:06:56Yeah. But like, you think some of the shit that, I mean, this shit that's going to go down in this city at that fucking valley Aeroan. It is going to look like, it's going to look like a rack. It's going to be crazy. The battles that are going to be fought on the streets. Yeah. You know what that reminds me of? Is that scene in Mean Girls when Regina George finds out that she's been eating protein bars that are just designed to make her fat. And she loses her mind and then just releases the burn book. That's like on a city wide scale. And you know what, they're never going to get there. Or if they do, they're going to change the name. So this is the thing. So like the reason that there's Hillsstone and Houston's that they're separate. That's what I was thinking of. Yes, I was like, I know Houston's did that. Well, so they did it and we were talking to this that like they had to not just change the name. I assume their lawyers also made them adjust the menu so that the Hillsstone menu and the Houston's menu is defensively different.

1:07:56Yeah. So they don't have to put the calories on because if people found out what was going on with those fucking burgers, again. We'd still go. Of course. Yeah, spinach chip. Yeah. How many calories? I don't care. I never care. More calories, please. Yeah. More calories for my money. Wow, what a deal. There's so many calories. Yeah. Hey, I'm sorry. Can I get some calories on the side? To dip. All right. We'll be right back. Amber back. Sometimes it's best to double down. Other times you got to double back. Either way, it's time for second thoughts. Adam and Sonah, I have a, I've had a die to my time with both of you tonight. But my producers have given us on a list of moments from this evening show that they think went bad. And that I should regret. If you have any moments of regret from tonight, please think about them. You're fee free to share them. Let's see. From the monologue, I very quickly brought up children with eating disorders and mass shootings.

1:08:56But what the audience doesn't know is that there was also a joke about suicide that we cut. And I brought the energy down and it took, I had to fight basically for the next hour to get you back. And that's on us. That's on us. And we talked about it beforehand and we should think about that as a lesson going forward. Yep. I did not have enough goodwill built up for the active shooter joke. You guys hated the abortion Wigs joke. And then I ripped on it, but you also hated it. You're really, you doubled down on that. Triple-porsche, I did. Triple-porsche, yeah. You tripled down, of course, yeah. Wait, does that mean one person has Wigs? Like she has multiple Wigs because she has multiple abortions. She's just apportioning all over the place. What's interesting is you thought one wig per abortion. I thought multiple Wigs for one abortion because she's moving through different jurisdictions. But that's the beauty of a joke like that. It's art. It's up to you to interpret how you feel. You thought it was a woman having one wig per abortion. Why do you need a new wig for your next abortion?

1:09:58Is this back seven the future? Back seven the future. My loved back seven the future. The one joke that didn't make everyone mad at me. I mean, once people got it, you beat it to death. Yeah, beat it to absolute fuck and death. No, I knew it would have been so good if you didn't flood it. I leaned into that riff pretty hard about having a Bugatti. But I liked it. Yeah. Adam, have you ever seen the show Girls? No. Yep. Okay. You got to know the audience. Yeah, that was a mistake there. I said just so no. Immediately. Hey, there are a lot of Armenians. There are Armenians in LA. Then took the world's longest boss and said, which is good. I remember that. What was that about? And there were so many things running through my mind like, oh no, does he hate us? I'm glad you clarified. You think it's good because I didn't know what you're doing.

1:10:59He didn't know it wasn't clear. I compared Conan O'Brien to a big dog who doesn't live very long. I like this segment a lot. And that's our show. Thank you so much Adam, Markler, and Sonobo. Because that's the end there are 67 days until the midterms. We'll be back next week with Lauren Lapkiss, Brian Bosay, and Trinity The Tuck. Have a great weekend. Love and Relief is a crooked media production. Our show is produced by Kendra James, film a graph, Kelsey Gante, and me, John Love. Our production team includes Halikipa, Sarah Lazarus, Roman Borcellino, Peter Miller, David Tolls, Claudia Shang, Jay Banks, Gavin Purcell, and Matt DeGroat. And our staff is proudly unionized with the writer's Guild of America East. I'm Nate Silver. I'm Galen Druke. And I'm Claire Malone. We're back. This time with our friends at Crooked Media for a new show called Still Counting. Yeah, numbers are hard. Take ser easy. And frankly, numbers have only gotten harder.

1:11:59What does the data actually say? How do we reconcile that with the other things that we're seeing in American politics and around the world? And how do we use that data to understand or maybe even dare to predict the future of American politics? New episodes every Wednesday starting September 9th. Subscribe to Still Counting on YouTube.com slash at Still Counting Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.