Do managers need to be former players? + Bobby Valentine joins FT

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2:03We can have a long conversation about that. Some of the quotes in this article gave a lot of respect to Vitelo for the way that he commands a room and the way that he can speak to a team. The other side of it is just exploring how players feel from a comfort perspective in terms of someone coming to a sport without coaching experience or playing experience at the major league level or even at the pro level here with someone like Vitelo. It just starts that way. I want to go through the pole itself if we can show the results because it's really about the entire perspective of the sport and how we might get more from the non-playing sector that enter the manager role down the stretch here, not down the stretch. Over the next course of the next decade, say as the game is definitely tilted itself sometimes towards number lovers. So the pole says 83 out of 99 pole would feel comfortable playing for a manager who never played pro ball. 15 said no. One said not sure.

3:04Okay. There's context to this too. So the article talked about Nick Castellanos being somewhat vocal about how he was not loving Rob Thompson and Kevin Long when he was with the Phillies because he didn't feel like they had big league playing experience and he couldn't relate to them. Even though both have extensive coaching experience in the major leagues, it's extensive extensive coaching experience and both played pro ball. So it's not like they don't know what it's like to be earning a living playing baseball and then be told, no, you're not good enough and go home because that's some of it for some of these players. Hey, what's the comfort level with someone that hasn't been there before? Crats, you started us off since you know, you spent tons of time in the minors and the majors. You've seen this. What do you think if you were asked, right? And you're not anonymous like all the players that were on here. What would you say, not just the yes or no, but then why? I mean, yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But there's always going to be a but there. And I think there's two ends of the spectrum.

4:04The ends of the spectrum are Tony Vitelho zero big league experience jumps right in from pro ball to exactly what Nick Castiano said. Well, I can't I can't respect that guy's opinion. Neither is right in my opinion. Neither is right. Tony Vitelho needs to be able to understand like he doesn't even know what to tip guys. Like he doesn't even know how to like take care of the clubhouse guys or because he's never been in it. It's not anything against him. Nick can't sit there and go, I'm not listening to anybody. It's never that's never hold the stick held the stick under the brightest lights. Like you can't you can't do that. But that's that's the debate with a lot of things that we could talk about today. To me, the reason that I feel like one day I could be a really good manager has zero to do with what I did in the big league. Because if that's the case, I got no shot. Albert Pooho's is going to be a great manager. The reason Albert Pooho's there's some like a little trepidation.

5:06How's he going to connect to the seven bottom players on the roster? He's never been those guys. He's always been a star. He was a rookie. I think in 2001, 25 years ago, and he was in the all star game. He's in 300 for 10 years. You know, some of those guys just don't necessarily understand what's like to be optioned. Understand what's like to be optioned in doing well, but then come back and then be expected to play a different position. All that stuff. The manager role is all about how you make the people feel on the roster that are taking the at bats and throwing the pitches. Because if you don't make those guys feel a certain way and each of them needs to feel differently. Then you're cooked as a manager, whether you're a good team or you're not, your role as a manager is to get the most out of the guys that you're given. And if you don't succeed, you're gone. Yeah, spot on. And I. I've had a manager before who.

6:08Who plays long years and didn't really say much to us to just let us go play and you're looking for a little reassurance. But at the end of the day, you're professional of the doing. And then you have managers that are all day every day talking to you and making sure this and that. It's your preference really. And I don't I think I would feel comfortable whether it's a guy that's been there before or not. So yes, my answer would be yeah, I would be totally comfortable with having Tony there and seeing his philosophies over a year span. And he's going to change him next year. Like I'm not saying all of them, but there might be some he tinkers with. That you know, he's like, I don't know if that worked or he might have meetings with the players. They talked to me, be frank with me with all these decisions that I made and what we went through and practices and spring training and then the games. Is there something that you feel that you got to talk about where you're like, we can get away with or we should get rid of or we should keep. No, that's that's so true. Yeah, but I can I can I can poke holes in any hiring.

7:09Sure. Oh, the Rangers are bringing Bruce Bochi back. He's not connected with the young players. He's not. Oh, World Series. The Giants higher Tony by tell on when they hired him. I remember when they hired him. I was skeptical of it just because of how much of a difference it is to be the man on campus to be only connected to these guys. Some of them for three years max four years. Some of them mercenaries brought in to play for your college program for one year. And he developed his style that he wanted and that takes years to develop and have people buy into. But because Buster Posey signed it because Buster Posey did the vetting and he's the one that brought him in. I'm like, I'm a board. I like it. Like and just because it doesn't work for Tony doesn't mean it was a hundred percent his fault or that nobody else from college can ever do it. It's really going to be what's the fall back?

8:11What's the fallout from this season when players start talking when players start going to other organizations because there's been plenty of managers that have not done well, but have had spurts of doing well in the big leagues. And the reality is, how does the overall picture look? Do they get another job because players say that guy was awesome. He connected so well with every single guy in our lineup and got the most out of us, whether we were really good in the standings or we just did really well for the team we had. The postseason run is heating up for Major League Baseball teams, Kratzi, you can go see all these games, all the important games, whatever your team is. They have a great chance almost all of them at being alive for the postseason. So you can go on Seeky and find whatever team you want, whatever game you want, whatever matchup you want to try to help cheer your team on to the postseason. Yeah, look ahead of your schedule. Go on to Seeky. Essentially, your teams either in the playoffs or the team they're playing as a chance in the playoffs. So all these games in September, you got to get on there, get your green dot, figure out where you're going to sit, do it ahead of time and use the codes.

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10:24I'm like, you can't do that here. That is not what I'm talking about her like that. I just like that. Plus we've been taking your calls listening to your voice mails and giving advice or at least trying to. So if you've got catching up to do now with the perfect time, listen to Hey Jonas on the I heart radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Solid, solid argument. I give a comparison. I know he's not a baseball guy, but Greg Siano from Rutgers went to Tampa Bay, Buckeneers. And he was done within two years, three years. And he's like man, and I know he said it for his is one of the toughest decision I made. And I probably should have stayed and anyone back to Rutgers like. There's guys that can keep going and that could do it. But you know NFL college, two totally different monsters, MLB college, two totally different monsters at the end. I'm not saying that to put down Tony, but some guys just don't have that in them to go from college. To a professional sport. And I think there are there's a reason that the best businesses leaders organizations go to like athletes and they're like, OK, well, what makes this guy a good leader.

11:34So if you're not asking questions, if you're not willing to improve change, adapt to the environment around you to the people and around you to get the most out of those people. You're definitely cooked as a manager and maybe because we're putting Tony Vatello on on the burner here. And this is who we're talking about because Drew, Tara, Drew, Tara, sorry. With the national Blake Blake, Tara Drew, catcher probably could be probably could be a manager, but he's been a coach everywhere. But they've had a what's considered a successful season. It's really about how you make the people around you better and not about your ego. And I think the mantra or the view from the outside was maybe Tony's got a little bit too much of an ego for the big leagues. Maybe because he's out there and voice driss and we had him on the show in spring training and he said, we were we asked him about jumping into the stands after he said, you work an entire season to get to that point.

12:38He's like jumping in the stands was just like it wasn't choreographed. It was just what I felt like I had to do because of the excitement of accomplishing the goal that we set out for. So you got to take your you got to take your previous opinions away from whatever it is that you think somebody's going to be and evaluate what's happened in the season and have they improved in certain areas from a relationship standpoint. And then from there, the players just got to do well. And then the college coaches and it's changing a little bit with NIL, but college coaches are the show sometimes right recruiting is still a thing. I know it depends on money now too, although the money's not. Not a baseball baseball. I know, but my point is even for college baseball, right. Tony Vitelos was a brand there. I want to play for Tony Vitelos. I know that guy right here at kid and the money's the same at whatever school you go to. Oh, I know that guy.

13:38I win. He goes viral. He seems like he commands the boys. He seems like a good time. I want to go play for him. Right. He's got the mix that I'm looking for. That's branding that you don't need as much in major league baseball, but not nothing. Right. If the two offers are the same and you're looking at you like, I don't want to play for that manager and you do want to play for that manager. You're right. Right. Like in major league baseball, is it a factor not nearly as much, but in college. Crats. It's a huge factor. Huge factor. Absolutely. Absolutely. Huge factor. But when you're saying that, I'm like, okay, who would I, if somebody called me and was like, hey, I'm going to sign with the Cincinnati Reds. Hey, their new manager is this guy. What did you think of them? There's only a few guys that I've ever been around in baseball as managers. That would be like, what's your other choice? And I'm in my mind. I'm thinking of three managers. And I won't say their names, but I've talked about them a certain way since I've been on here and it has nothing that has very little to do with them as like game callers or how they, how they handle situations.

14:44It's all about whether or not that dude was a turd and treated people around them like turds. And that's, that's the reality of it. So I don't think Tony Vitel is at all in that category. I think the team, I think the free agent would look at and go. I don't want to go to San Francisco. I can't hit homeers not because Tony Vitel was going to take homeers away from me. Look, like Rafael Devers is Rafael Devers and Willie Adama. So the first two, two dudes in like 25 years or something to hit 30 plus homeers in San Francisco or as a, as a giant for an entire year. So that's what I think of as a player like rarely as a manager such a turd where you're like not playing for him unless you have your own personal beef with that guy. Can I ask you guys just a quick poll at the finish line here show of hands. Would you because this came up in the story. Some guys had a problem with this. This was their line. Would you be okay with a manager that has not played past the high school level like forget pro didn't play college ball.

15:50As no experience playing at a level beyond high school show of hands. If you'd be okay with a manager who did not play above high school baseball. So you need at least you need at least college or pro ball experience. Man, this is hard one. How much did he coach? Right, I know that this isn't a vacuum. I would be a little skeptical. I mean, we need a yes or no. I would not be coached a lot. He's coached in the minors a lot and now he's going to get a chance and he's been a base coach. I'm the ball, but I would I would be like, all right, let's see what this guy's got. I'd be a little weary. I guess the dude just walks like he can't. He walks like a narp. I like non athletic real person. Like he walks like Todd on the basketball court. Terrible thousand points. No, no, no, I don't I don't think I would feel comfortable with that. Now that doesn't mean he couldn't win me over. Doesn't mean he could be in my bench coach for two years and be like that guy is an absolute unit.

16:54He knows exactly what he's talking about. It's like Scotty Braun going to manage a team. It's like Scotty Braun shooting. You don't want it. That's what it's like. He just you don't want me just get you. He's ready. But that's that's a great that's a great example. Scott, you know the game. Like you know the game more than anybody that I've ever met that hasn't played. You're not you don't have an ego about it, but you know what you have. So to me, that comes across and that's confidence. And that's what you need as a manager. You need to have confidence that I get my lane. But I also understand what's going on here. Yep, I think for me, me, right? And I have nothing for this since I didn't play, but I wouldn't want me managing a person like me me in a front office. Great. Cool. Get it. You know, dug out leading the boys. It would be tough. So I'm with you. I get you guys. We could have your hair in the front office. We couldn't have your hair in the front office. If that was there, be intimidating.

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20:16The great entertaining insightful Bobby Valentine joining us right now Bobby V. It's great to have you on. You've got some good ones here with Eric Crats and Todd Frazier with you too. We brought you on to chat of course, at least to start here about 9 11 and 25 years since that time. So I wanted to get right into that with you and what this day has been like already for you to think back to that moment. Well, I thought back about it most every day since then, but you know when you have this type of anniversary and so many people calling and so many people well wishing and so many thoughts being revisited. It's a heavy day. It's it's heavy on my mind and heavy on my spirit and I'm just wishing everyone the best that is still trying to heal those wounds that were inflicted 9 11 25 years ago.

21:17I want to talk still about 9 11, you know, the game, Piazza in that home run man just go back to how surreal that kind of was and how you know baseball was an afterthought and then all of a sudden when it came back on and kind of drew a lot of people together for sure. Yeah, you know that time was a different time. People tough guys like you guys and and the guys in my locker room and the people who lived in New York were experiencing fear real fear fear of their lives fear of the unknown and how do you deal with that? You know, how do you how do you now tell guys put on a costume right out there on the field entertain put on a good face put on a good show will shower will leave go home to our families everything will be OK. You know the bravery that the brave showed by getting on a plane and coming to New York and you know, she stadium how that was a thorough fear for planes every game you ever were there and the New York Mac guys who had the security of their homes.

22:28After after being in Pittsburgh and coming home and then being with their family and hearing the idiot manager say hey guys let's have a practice because we're thinking about playing again and we're even thinking about playing in New York. When you talk about leadership and you talk about managing a group of people. You know that that was the biggest challenge I ever had in my life. That's what we just talked about how much you heard about us you know talking about what managers really mean to players man couldn't have put you more in the forefront of what it takes to deal with something like this. That game specifically and I want to get to so many other things I watch the doc will have a be network the other night but that game specifically. When you show up to the stadium what was your thought when you know that there's going to be and you're privy to probably a lot more information than even the players and you had a hold things back from the players. The fact that there's snipers or or or security on the roof and you're looking around like even chills some of the stuff that you guys are talking about like just brought back memories for me what was it for you.

23:38Yeah well you remember she stayed in the middle of the building and I got there in the morning and it was kind of quiet driving in even though there was checkpoints but then I saw the metal detectors. Then I went to my office and I couldn't get into my office until the dog that was sniffing in in the locker and into my bathroom. You know cleaned it out and said it was okay for me to come in and then with the military people in the uniform people in the staging people you know it was a it was an event that was created to to bring a bit of joy in people's life. It was more of a broadway production going in than it was really a baseball game. We're going to have Lysa Menali we're going to have the national anthem we're going to have you know the the first responders but it became a baseball game and and when we went down two to one and you saw the innings ticking away and we're playing against the brave so we've never beat wherever we played them.

24:40You know the game started taking precedent and then when the superhero came up when Mike walks to the play and he takes the first picture we go Mike what do you do it he'd love taking the first pitch but this one's right down the middle and we're thinking we oh gosh we have a chance of tightest game or more in the next one that's down the middle winds up in orbit and everyone says you know you couldn't script it you could script it if you're a god you could script that one and we're going to have a chance to play. We're going to have a chance to script that one and and God scripted that game and and the world changed the little after that. 100% I've been in COVID games where there's no fans I've been in game seven of the world series fan interaction fan feeling you feel that tell us about what you felt from the fans that night in New York people people that were directly affected by what was going on because the smoke was still smolering. The fire was still smolering. Yeah. Well how do you feel fear how do you feel uncertainty that's what was in everyone's mind and heart whether you were an usher or a fan or a player or a guy with a long gun up on the on the top of the stadium the uncertainty of what was going on and there was in fact a lot of talk and a lot of discussion of whether or not we even should be doing this right a couple of miles away from the game.

26:07That's right a couple of miles from an airport couple miles from ground zero New York what are you kidding you want to put a target on something how about a stadium of 40,000 people when the national national attention is on it wow what a target that is so those discussions not only with the fans but of course with the players were constant so you could feel the the the the the the the the the the the uncertainty they didn't know whether to scream yell boo yay or or or just sit there and watch until Mike at the home run and then they knew exactly what to do and God what a transformation of a feel in in that in that environment what a transformation it was unbelievable such great words I watched the doc last night like I said and correct me if I'm wrong you guys were in Pittsburgh and then you bust back to New York correct yeah and the thing you said in the doc was the feeling that you felt and how silent the bust was when you came around the corner

27:15whatever highway you guys were on and saw what you saw can you tell us how that is just tattooed on your mind like again I got chills again after thinking about what you how you how you stated it in the doc well you again nothing scripted right and we were on that road before I mean in a passenger car we never took a bus from Pittsburgh so we were never all together in the same place and I remember telling a couple of the young guys who are on the bus hey you know when we come around this next we're going to spend we'll be able to get a view of Manhattan so you know take a peek let's see what we see and what we saw was horrifying we didn't see the buildings we saw a cloud of smoke we didn't see the Empire State Building in upper Manhattan we just saw this this ridiculous cloud hanging over Manhattan and what I said in the documentary and I heard it last night myself and I don't I love the words that it gave the sound of silence new meaning you know because from that moment on and it was about an hour to to Shay Stadium there wasn't a word the wives weren't talking with the husbands the players weren't talking with each other the trailing secretary wasn't talking to the bus driver

28:35it was absolute silence and that was unifying huh that that we've been through all this and we saw it on TV and all of a sudden it was real to us that we're seeing with our own eyes and we're all seeing it together that's the reason these guys and that was the greatest group of guys that have ever been stumbled in my mind the veterans and the young people the the foreign guys and the domestic guys I mean it was a special group of guys who bonded because we had all of these bonds hey and you know one quick other thing you saw the doc the guy C.J. Quackenbush the kid came to the all-star game with his father right last game ever ever together and and Chris Quackenbush lent us his plane when when a group of us were going from Miami to Washington scene at C. George W in the White House who you know I worked for in Texas and he said I could bring a group of guys up in one of our off days so we use Chris's plane to go up Chris was with his team and with us the all-stars in Seattle Chris goes to work in 104th floor he goes down on 9-11 that that was a unifying feeling even though Johnny and I and others had close relatives and friends who are there that this Quackenbush guy

30:02connected us even worse though so Todd zeal did a really good job putting that whole thing together and you know 25 years is a long time but you know if you're suffering for 25 years it seems like an eternity. Hey everyone it's the Jonas Brothers with the Hey Jonas podcast we've been catching up with some great friends Paul Rod Michael Boulbaix Seth Meyers now Lauren Jake Shane and making some new friends while getting into what's really like to have sisters like Alex National. She likes to control everyone and tell everyone okay well control is a harsh word I would say that's a harsh word I am more outspoken growing up a lot of the times because she was so quiet I would speak for like the both of us now I'm working on like thinking a mom is really not thinking before I speak and Joey King you know if you're like mom is yelling at your sibling and even if you're annoyed with your sibling you just like won't let that slide it's like you only you can yell at your sibling I'm like you can't do that here that is not what talk about her like that I just like that.

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34:12during that time and you guys did food drives, impact things and just went out to the community. I say get even said you guys went down to ground zero just to talk to the police officers and firemen. Do you feel like that's because you're a very, very involved community philanthropist throughout your career. Is this the best thing that you've ever done and been a part of and yet still maybe felt like you didn't do enough? Todd, spot on. Thanks. I tried to do everything I could as did the players and remember we were directed by Jay Horowitz. Jay Horowitz was a community minded person who was our peer director. He was getting the calls. He was getting the letters. He was directing us, hey, can you get to this firehouse? Hey, do we have a few guys to go to this elementary school? Hey, we're going to have a party on Halloween at the restaurant. Can we get some guys to show up? We were really, really involved.

35:13But you know, you don't just go on the street and say, hey, we're here. We were directed where we got where to go and it was because of Jay and his direction that we touched so many people. And again, we got a lot of smiles when we were out there, but we got more tears than we got smiles. So it was tough on the guys. You know, usually you go and you're given the autograph and the kids are smiling at everything school. Most of these places, memorial services and firehouses and schools and knocks out knock on the doors to homes. There are a lot more tears than there were smiles. And once again, a credit to the guys that they've persevered. Okay, it's been absolutely incredible here in these stories and everything. It's just touching too. I mean, what you guys, what everybody went through, the impact it's had on everybody. I want to talk a little bit about coaching now. Move, just switch gears a little bit. Whoa. Yeah.

36:14My question to you is we've had a poll about, you know, Tony Vitelow and his coaching and his the way he coaches people. The poll was talking about basically, you know, guy with no professional experience, would you be comfortable having a manager like that? And my, I want to see what your opinion is on that about being a manager in the big leagues. Do you think a guy needs to go through the bushes and the grind to be a manager? Do you think somebody, you know, maybe not a superstar who's played before can be a manager in the big leagues? I would love to hear your opinion. Hmm. You know, in 1973, I played for a guy named Bobby Winkle's. He went right from Arizona State to the California Angels and was a manager. And I saw how difficult it was for him then. Now, because there are more college players and there's more notoriety and his brand, I think it's a little easier. But remember, coaching is giving, right? And if you're going to give the person on the other end has to be willing to

37:15receive in the major leagues because the time is so short and time is of the essence, I got to get hit today. I've got to, you know, make a strike today that that receiving and puts up walls, right? You guys know you guys were players. Oh, I'm going to let this go in this year and out the other. I don't trust that guy. I'm not listening to that nonsense. Well, to build that communication line is really different. And what it usually takes is commonality. In some way, you have to connect with the guy. Speak his language, try to speak his language, understand his hometown. Oh, I've been to the Dominican Republic. Anything that could connect you with the player that you're trying to get to and give to is of the most importance. And I'm going to tell you what, Tony had a tough time. As good as he, I hope will be in the future. And as many accolades as he gets in the future, this has been a tough time for him because

38:19it's difficult. If it was easy, everyone would do it, right? It's tough stuff. My next question to you about managing, it's a new error of how management is. Now, do you think you could handle what's being thrown out there? You know, not necessarily making the line up some managements. Don't do that. Would you be a fan of that? Or would you be like, hey, man, this, this ain't for me. I know my guys and I need to be, I need to have a little bit more Paul during my managerial career. Well, you know, I was going to say, I managed because I had too many lineups. You know, I like moving lineups around. I like using analytics. I like all that stuff. But there are a lot of days I wish it was somebody else's responsibility to make out the line up because I was going, where do we go from here? Geez, oh my, we can't get ahead. This guy's too tough. So I think, yeah, I could adapt and adjust because I was an athlete. You guys were athletes. What athletes do better than the normal person is they adjust and they adapt.

39:25So I think I could. I would hope that whoever I was working for could adjust to some of the thoughts I had too. And it wasn't just the one way street, but it's different. And, you know, no one likes change. Let's make that, let's make that clear. Except for that person that's in, you know, implementing the change on others. Right? Yeah, yeah. That's fair, that's fair. People haven't changed. How we handle them does. So how about the current state of the Metz? Give me what your view is. How close you are, how far away it is you are. What's the current state that you're watching in the Metz as a team, but also the organization? Well, one of the great, great honors of my life. I got into the Hall of Fame a couple months ago. And I spent a few decades in the uniform. So I'm a real fan. You know, not seeing the three big guys play together very often, you know, Soto and Bessette and the Lindor, you know, they only had a handful of games.

40:30It seems like where they played together. And a team needs them to be, you know, solid. Then you could build around the rest. And they really didn't have that this year. And I think it's pretty remarkable that they played as well as they have, you know, since the break, kudos to the young players. Playing as a young player in New York is a difficult chore. And doing it once is tough and doing it multiple times is even tougher. So we'll see what happens next year and years beyond. But I think right now the Metz are in an okay place, but they're not where they want to be. Yep. Well said. Well, Bobby V, thank you so much for joining us on this, you know, day when we think a little bit harder and a little bit longer about 25 years ago. We appreciate it and the context is important, especially for a lot of youngsters out there listening who maybe weren't even born for that time period. So thank you, Bobby V.

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