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Roy, put a thumbs down.

Have a good one.

Come on.

So come in there.

You need the ball, the other balls here.

Embarrass him.

Oh, I can ball, you know.

No, you can't do it.

Well, you have to be good at one sport.

That is quite good.

Love that.

Can I have a proper ball?

Here you go.

Lovely technique, Ian.

Very good.

Now do it properly, just.

Yes, Jill.

Jesus, Jill, wait for you.

This is your two-mit, two yards away.

Here you go.

You got a duck in it.

Good.

That's a good one.

Gary, that's a really good ball.

You got a duck in it.

That wouldn't hit as well.

Gary, did you ball, Gary?

I used to like cricket.

Did you ball on the bat?

I had a bat in the back.

I feel was a good bat, somebody.

It's cool.

And the Macri-Hit Club.

Green Mount.

You really, you really whizzed that down in on me, Gael?

I like playing cricket, but not watching it.

I hate it.

Did you hate it?

No, I liked it.

I loved it.

Raymond, very much has come in by the way.

Yes, Ray.

Where's Ray?

Remember you kicked me in train at that time?

You've done my calf.

No shame.

Raymond, come in.

Come in.

Rade on me once.

Rade on me one time in train.

Who's got a chair?

My calf.

We've got a microphone.

He can't make it.

He looks a lot younger than you.

Is he younger?

Your Raymond is the best-looking football player.

I was going to say.

God.

He's not.

Can we see him?

Raymond is the best-looking football player in the world.

Raymond, you're coming for five, ten minutes.

It's me on his.

Yeah, Ray, you're good.

His handsome bro.

He kind of looks like me, doesn't he?

He's got that kind of James Bond energy.

He's got James Bond.

He could be James Bond.

And you're swimming.

Yeah, you could be an actor, Ray.

He could have been James Bond, bro.

Man's handsome.

And he's dressed so well.

I'm afraid to call a man handsome.

The rear was my goalkeeper coach.

He's secure.

Man's handsome.

Look at that.

He's nice to meet you.

That's right.

You're not a lot younger than me.

Nice rear, but man.

Did he do your way?

Remember, you don't mean training, do you remember?

Of course, I remember.

Yeah, I never forget them, I remember.

What was it?

Was he vex with him?

You were a captain.

Was he doing something?

Yeah, but listen.

What the f**k?

My first training.

And then you know it.

Why is it all for the first training?

The first training.

You played five aside.

Right.

And somebody jumped on my knee.

Wow.

Because I had a good tag.

Dived on the ball, I had the ball, of course.

And then I thought, who was it?

Who was it? Yeah.

Dirty.

Who was it?

Was it my thing?

Yeah.

I must be an actor.

Was my first training.

So I never got it.

You never saw it.

You've got it.

You've got it back.

How you did?

You did.

You did.

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Why is it everybody playing from around?

You want a ball up front.

What is the easiest way?

It's the one to play.

It's called popular opinions.

Wow.

I've never seen them as a top top player.

Not one man's humanity player

should get into the Premier League all time 11.

Terry, company, Ashley Cole.

I think that answers it.

Do you ever say to a player, or do you ever go down

so I can make a sub?

I'm too low, I might be in still being the job.

Was it like when you was 12 playing in the playground, bro?

I went in to go to the top of my game.

That is unbelievable, by the way.

Brothers, that's amazing.

Part of your greatness has to be getting your hands on children.

On children has to be.

Has to be.

Right, I don't know.

I just think there's too many rules.

And...

I've just let the two teams play the game and team win.

Yeah, but wait a minute.

We had an debate last week about players

who need to contribute to the professionalism of the club,

but they don't always play.

Now, you obviously would number two to Peach Michael,

want to argue with the great goalkeeper of all time.

How important is that role of a keeper

that basically is next in line?

I think it's a very important role.

I came to the club, I said, okay, this is my role.

I accept it, but I also had it in my mind.

You never know what's going to happen.

I met a bigger club, one of the biggest clubs of England at that time.

And I thought, okay, if something will happen with Peach,

I had my chance.

And I was there, and I had the feeling this was a special time,

a special group.

And I was right, and you have been talking about,

okay, you are the number two.

Maybe you can play somewhere else,

but my aim was to have a chance to win trophies.

And I was at the right time at Man United.

And I never wanted to change that.

And if you are the number two, okay,

but I had my part, and that was the most important thing.

And I had the feeling I had the appreciation of the players.

They respected me, because I was always working hard.

You can ignore it, but for me, that was important.

I had the feeling, okay, if something happened, I'm there.

I had the appreciation for the manager and appreciation from the players.

And respect.

That's what you want.

You're saying, like, Skokhas, for instance,

and now where they need the English keeper,

and Skokhas was playing a taboo seat before.

Yeah.

And then you get to

big pay rise to go and sit there, rather than

it's clear, but we would end it.

Four or five years ago, but he sat there at the city,

and no, and he's not going to have any chance to play in.

I think that's the difference here being the...

Yeah, so with the games, because obviously,

the speed of smile, I can't remember him missing too many games.

Yes.

When you were coming in, how did you feel?

Every time you came in, was you still, as Nerva says,

the very first time, because everybody's looking at you,

you know, like, Michael, come back and he'll probably play.

So if you make a mistake, like, oh, no, that's why he's number two.

Was you ever afraid of that situation?

No, I was not afraid.

I was looking forward to play.

Of course, there's always pressure.

But I had the feeling, okay, if you train hard,

and that's what I did, but I also played in a reserve team.

So I had my feeling with the game.

So if everything is okay, then you take it, but you're in a game.

And, well, I trained every day with the players, so I know them.

So there was not...

I felt it was an honor.

Right.

It was great to play with those guys.

That's why I always look back at our time, you know,

when people remember, some players gone back in 1999,

and the Bex, and gigs, you know, these, like,

but the players I would give most credit were players, like, rare.

Lads in the background are fringe players,

because they were amazing players, brilliant pros.

And, yeah, there was a lot of games where, rare, I'm not going to play,

but they were trained, they were pushed out of players.

They weren't sitting back on, I'll never have a player.

They were like, no, and I read, made a good point there, but they were ready.

I was ready when they were called upon.

So when they didn't get called upon, they were ready,

and they're done a brilliant job for the team.

Roy said last week he thought that a goalkeeper should be out,

allowed to be substituted after 15 minutes,

because basically, why should your football, other players,

so, what did you think of the Kinsky one last week,

where you get, I mean, I thought it was brutal,

but what did you think of it in terms of a goalkeeper,

a goalkeeper's perspective?

I think it's really hard, especially as a goalkeeper.

It's difficult.

Most of the time, you play or you don't play.

A player is always a chance to come on.

As a goalkeeper, it's not, and maybe you can have a terrible start,

which you still have to, yeah, always have to wait for the balls you get.

So you think the money should left him on?

I think so, yeah.

But I mean, it's hard.

You've been talking also about the players around,

around the football business,

where we've remebered, didn't it?

The remeberals, it's always hard.

Yeah, listen, it was good to happen,

but I'm just saying, these things can happen in the game.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong.

I felt for a goalkeeper,

but I also feel as a manager of a club,

if he thinks it's the right thing to do,

you don't have to agree with it.

If he was asking Romero, it's even worse, yeah.

So Romero might win to him, and...

So to him, and seeing that the lad is a young lad,

and so to him, I don't look like he was really affected by it,

and said, no, you know what?

You know what?

I don't know what a goalkeeper is.

It's a bigger challenge for any goalkeeper

when they're not playing a big club or they make big mistakes.

It's bouncing back, because goalkeepers will make mistakes,

rear-made them, smile them.

It's what you do afterwards,

and that's the big test for this kid.

How we react to it?

Now, it has to be in a positive way.

You know, when you were talking about it,

I was thinking about an other situation.

It was for the national team of England.

I was with David James, and Ben Foster, I think.

And Steve McLean, I had to make a choice.

Do you make a choice to go for the experience goalkeeper

or for a young player, Ben Foster?

He chose for a foster, and I do end wrong,

I think, against Croatia.

Very bad, with the rain.

Yeah, Scott Carson.

Scott Carson, Wembley.

Yeah, yeah, Scott Carson Wembley.

Well, that's it, too.

Yeah, but what?

Three, two.

After that, it was never good for the goalkeeper, of course.

And that's what you have.

If you make a choice, go for it, or you don't go for it.

Yes.

But if somebody takes you off after 20 minutes,

oh my god, imagine by yourself,

a man takes you off after 20 minutes.

Ian, if you miss one chance or two chances

in 20 minutes, and the man takes you off,

what happens to you?

Yes, true, but...

Yeah, that's the thing.

There's a full thing.

I don't have to need to look...

I think it'd be worse if you get through the game

and you get to penalties, like,

Vanga, I'll talk, um...

You think often you put it...

It took me a lot of time.

Yeah, put for the penalties, yeah?

The Dutch team.

So I think, either way, it's...

No, it's not, it's not played.

It's not played for a goalkeeper,

but I don't think so.

Yeah, that's the moment.

Imagine the manager's under huge pressure,

and he might think, keep down,

if you could have a timeout, he's thinking,

I think he might think I'm doing the right thing by the...

He might do, but at this moment in time,

all the decisions are back for Aaron Hanspars.

Did you ever go through anything

when you were a young keeper?

Like that?

Not in this way, never.

No.

Thank God.

Have you ever been a super goalkeeper?

I had, um...

one season, um...

I played my first game of the season.

It was against Feyenoord Rotterdam,

and it was a full house,

a full stadium,

and we lost five, two.

I saved two penalties

from Ronald Kumman and Larsen,

and the next game,

the manager put me on a bench.

Have you ever been a super goalkeeper in the game, though?

No. Never, never.

Never.

No.

You can see the five, don't you?

LAUGHTER

Yeah, well, you can see...

I'm not saying that.

That's not right.

But still, it's still a bonus.

But he played, uh...

After 20 minutes, uh, with 10 men,

Ronald out of help, maybe you know him.

He played also for Everton.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Uh, he got a red card,

and was over first away game against Feyenoord,

against the top team.

Another five.

It's been 20 minutes.

Yeah, 10 men.

It was five, two.

Save two penalties,

and the next game, you're out.

The next game, yeah, it's still, yeah.

It's still a bonus.

Ray Feyenoord, thank you.

Thank you, Jill.

What was it like working with Roy at Sunderland?

Uh, very good.

I loved it.

I loved my time there.

Um...

Yeah, I know, as a player,

but as a manager, uh, it's different.

Uh, I can understand where he was coming from,

and sometimes the players couldn't follow him.

The players were...

So he could?

Could not follow him.

It was, he expected high level.

Yeah.

And some of the players, uh,

Roy expected that,

but the players couldn't deliver that.

And that was, I think, was difficult for you

to accept that.

Well, it must have been...

Um, it must have been.

And the whole time he was, you know,

uh, put a lot of pressure on the players.

That's what he's supposed to be.

But I had a good time.

It was hard, it was hard, it was difficult.

Because Sunderland was at that time, you know,

they said that the Yo-Yo Club...

Yeah.

It was not easy.

It was not easy.

It was not easy.

They were lost, they were down the bottom.

But I think...

What my league was going to come, thank you.

You know what I mean?

I don't, again, people don't,

you don't get a lot of love for that.

Now, I think Roy did a very good job.

Only, uh, I think you can say this.

I think you expect more from yourself

or from the players.

Yeah.

Absolutely always.

Sometimes you forget the overview.

Yeah.

You can go on now, Roy.

That's right.

You know what I mean?

That's what I mean.

That's what I mean.

That's what I mean.

That's what I mean.

Roy, that was the last question, but I'll ask you the other...

Okay.

Goalkeepers, in terms of with that fee.

Are they being asked to do too much?

Four, that's a good one.

I don't think it's too much,

but you have to find the right balance between playing

with your feet or not.

And when are you doing it?

You know, you spoke about Tottenham.

The players has to feel comfortable,

comfortable with the goalkeeper,

in the way of playing.

But especially, you know, when you have to do it.

Of course.

Make sure you're in the game.

If you're not in the game,

just play the first 20 minutes long.

Long, yeah.

Why, why is everybody playing from around?

Why do you play from behind?

Why do you start there?

You want to ball up front.

What is the easiest way?

It's the one to pass it.

Go forward.

I'm going to urge it a six-hour box to the goalkeeper

in the middle of the goal.

Yeah.

I don't like that.

He's thinking about Tottenham, the athlete,

a call Madridkeeper, did it?

For Salonquí's goal, didn't it?

Yeah.

Just let it pass.

As we're in.

Yeah.

They can do it.

It's not a problem,

but if it goes wrong, you have a problem.

You make the strike as happy.

Absolutely.

It's the whole game now.

Exactly.

One chance.

One goal.

It's pressure on the goalkeeper.

It's pressure on the players and the manager.

Why would you do that?

No.

I think it's 10 minutes, 20 minutes.

I think everybody has the same opinion

that seems to come on this show.

Whether actually you're sort of a goalkeeper

or whether you're not a goalkeeper with your culture,

I don't see anybody saying anything different.

But Rey, thank you so much.

Rey, thank you for watching.

Thank you, Rey.

Thank you, thank you.

Thank you.

Really great to see you, Rey, as well as to you.

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Well, we've got a different type of show this week.

Unpopular opinions.

Wow.

No Premier League player in history

is better than a prime name-er.

No players like that?

Better than that.

That's what we asked our community to write in.

And the first unpopular opinion that's come in

from one of our community is said

no Premier League player in history

is better than a prime name-er.

That's great.

That's right.

Terry Henry.

Yeah.

Ronaldo.

Yeah.

Ronaldo.

Come on.

Sala?

Oh, no.

Even Hazard.

How do you say Hazard?

No, Hazard, Hazard, Hazard, Hazard, Hazard.

I like name-er, but I've never seen name-er as a top top player.

Yeah.

Like, I was messy, Ronaldo.

And that kind of thing.

He could have been, but something just he didn't get to that place.

He was up on me.

Obviously, I played against him with a lens in the beat of 7-0

and that front three was name-er, Suarez and Messi.

I know, I could back up.

That sounds like a hard one.

Did you not park the bus?

Did you not try and sit in?

No, but name-er to fair.

He's the one that...

But was a 7-never and it could have been 17

or was just 7-year-old every time they took a shot?

Yeah, but I just, I'm looking at name-er.

He was unbelievable.

Look, he was unbelievable.

Name-er, is it because he just hasn't won the World Cup

that we're saying this?

Or is it because of what he's...

No, that's not just to work up stuff, is it?

Has he ever been likeable?

Has people liked him as much as...

That's the thing.

Is it the likeability of the World Cup?

He left away, he left...

It was a press and it was just all a bit...

I think he always got to impression.

He was, again, very much about money and maybe wasn't a team player at PSG or was...

And in order these lands can be...

Listen, can be selfish.

You can be selfish in the right way.

Don't get me wrong.

But, yeah, he was never kind of that likeable, was he?

No, am I wrong with that?

No, no, no, no, no, I'm not into it.

How many Premier League players in history are better than him?

But I think we...

We watched him tell me he was an alder.

What about money?

I don't care. I don't care. I'll put a hazard on him.

He will be better.

I think so, yeah.

Did you look back at the stuff he did?

No, sorry.

No, not sellers, not really.

I think so, name-er.

You think sellers are better than him?

Yeah.

Sellers are not better than name-er.

I left a fight waiting for that one.

Sellers are not better than name-er.

No.

How long was he on the last level?

I think he was go the past on,

but I think he was still always overshadowed by Messi.

Yeah.

I was talking ability-wise in respect to...

Because if his ability-wise, I think he is better than seller.

But like, longevity probably is seller.

Probably naked, as a player, I'm going with a...

Ordered by the name-er.

Right, he had the abilities there,

but did he just do it enough?

Well, this is the problem.

And this is where the top players should get the credit.

Of course.

You know what I mean? The pressure they run that...

And to perform consistently in that players, yeah.

Like Wayne did from the age of 16.

You know, it's something I constantly say.

Hmm.

Right.

Next one.

Pep wouldn't be anywhere near it,

if it wasn't for the money.

Sell it again?

Pep wouldn't be anywhere near it.

The manager is you mean?

Yeah.

No.

You need to walk the top player as a cross,

but what he's done in the game is win,

reassure the trophies as one,

the Hungary's kept.

No, Pep's up there with all the time, yeah.

And the fact that he is so good,

is why he's up there with the money?

Because they can see what he's capable of doing with good players.

Why would Pep want to...

Roger has gone manager team now.

He's got to try and get them to do it.

No, he's proven that with the right players,

he's the...

A part of being a spam manager has gone to the right job.

If you don't want to be a guy, he's got to bear me in the guy,

he's south to the back.

Well, that's clever management.

Picking the right, walking with top quality players.

If you've seen many managers,

you've had massive amount of money.

Yeah, we don't know where near the record, what Pep's got.

And what he's done with younger players as well,

like Ford and O'Reilly, like...

What I love about Pep, when I walk with a young player,

I love when I see Pep getting a big result somewhere.

It's like his first win here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Keeping that motivation, that hunger.

For all the trophies, one, all the few barbies got no doubt.

I think that's amazing.

Again, none of us have walked on the room.

Listen, he might be hard-working, maybe puts players

on the pressure, whatever.

That's what the top managers do.

You know, they push people, you know?

Really?

You know what I mean?

It's what you try and do.

Put them on the pressure.

Yeah, put them on the pressure.

You know, he seems to not want to freshen it up as well, don't you?

Yeah, he's got that.

I think it's a nonsense, this idea.

I mean, the reason that, like, these clubs are placing that money with him,

it's because he's the best.

Exactly.

Yeah, trust him.

You wouldn't give him the money.

You wouldn't give him the money.

The reason managers get sacked is because they don't want to put money

because of the results, but they also don't want to give him money.

Again, because they've already given them money once, and they're basically now.

Yeah, you lose a trust in nonsense.

It seems addicted to the game, but it's like he just...

...stounded again.

Yeah.

Okay, this is an interesting one.

Not one man's uniting player should get into the Premier League all-time 11.

They were a successful collective unit, but not an individual standout.

So they've then sent a top 11 through.

Edison, Walker, Terry, Company, Ashley Cole.

I think that answers it.

Right, as well.

De Bruyne, Vieira Gerard, Salah, Shira, Omri.

He's a hell of a team, by the way.

That's what we're just forgetting about.

He's a midfield, where he's sculled.

Yeah, he's a midfield.

So let's just start at the back, Edison.

I mean, I would go Schmeichler or Edison all day.

That's what he's the most obvious one, to be fair, I think.

Yeah, I'd see that.

Yeah.

That's what he's the most obvious one.

Yeah.

I'd have Gary Neville in my right back.

Well, yeah, but I think you can't say,

some people would say, and I was speaking to Kyle the other day, and I said to him,

you've got nine to six England caps, which is absolutely incredible.

He's got to, or he's won the treble.

He's got all the accolades.

He's played the highest level.

And I said to him, the differentiator for me, Kyle,

I think, between me and you is.

I think that I was probably more a positionally.

I said this to him.

Positionally, I think I knew the position better than you.

But if I was playing as Vinicius Jr.

or Mbappe, one on one, I said, you did only put...

It's a very different time.

Yeah, but I get that.

Yeah, I get that.

I think he, him managing those players over two or three

appearing in the Champions League.

I just thought was unbelievable, even.

No, but, Kyle, who is the right back in Liverpool?

It's Kyle. No, you know, I'm going to put you in.

You can't debate it. You can see his subjective.

Some would say, Kyle, some would say me, so you can't.

Yeah, what I'm saying is, is that...

A smile on the brain now.

Yeah, eight Premier League's playing in that man United side.

Continually, the consistency is what I'm going for.

Is that Vinicius or Mbappe?

But, right, it's not nonsense, though, is it?

It's not nonsense, but what I'm saying is, you know what I mean?

You could have easily been in there.

So, let's say Kyle would stick with that because we need

subjective, if there's some people, you know, people will say Kyle.

Okay, cool.

So, next one, John Terry and Vincent Company in centre backs.

So, Terry has to be in there, for me then, it's probably,

I'd say, real, we'll tell you.

Everyone who played with the App stand though,

who would be the best centre half that you've played with?

Well, the ones you've got, Van Dyke.

You've got them, yeah.

They didn't play, like, hundreds of games.

Two seasons, yeah, three seasons.

And we're talking about, obviously, they're all in their prime.

They're in their prime.

You're talking real Van Dyke Company,

real Van Dyke, like Tony Adams, as well.

Tony Adams, you know, because obviously,

you're playing with him so long, and I see what he's gone for.

I just know where I'm never going to...

Soul Campbell. Tony.

Yeah.

Yeah, but this is not a debate, we're having it.

No, no, wait, this is just, of course, you could just...

You could argue, Terry and Company.

You could argue, Terry and Company.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't think you could say it's madness, is it?

Exactly, yeah.

Of course.

Leftback Ashley Cole.

Love Ash, I mean, Dennis Owen, my leftback, however,

you can't deny Ash, and what he's done, and...

Truthfully, no, be round about Peter,

listen, we're on about a bit, to meet Dennis every day of the week.

Yeah, I would go to Ashley Cole.

I'm talking about a right foot of playing leftback, as well, you know what I mean?

I've got Dennis.

I've got Ashley Cole.

Listen, that's fine.

Yeah.

No, no, no, no, please don't, that's what we're doing,

give me a opinion.

But the analyse, Dennis Owen, what he'd done week in week old,

defensively, very, very good, really gone forward.

Yeah.

Nothing on many chords, Ashley's actually called scored.

I got a assist.

Dennis was also adding that to his game.

Yeah, three days.

Dennis was playing today, and he was being moved tomorrow a bit.

Maybe it felt.

Yeah, I mean, our knowledge of Dennis is incredible.

Of course.

I think if you actually went into a poll of probably people,

now they probably would say, Ashley Cole, wouldn't they, how would I imagine?

I probably would say so recent, it's more recent.

Maybe a whole reason.

I'm not saying what you're the player.

You spoke about your right back, I understand that,

but I think Dennis, have a try.

Well, we're doing what they did in the Premier League,

like, long jeopardy, or, as a player.

A bit of this, look, a bit of everything.

This is a guy who, obviously, to be fair,

he's been a little bit provocative,

knowing that three of us played for money, and I'm looking at it a little bit,

sort of, neutrally, and trying to think,

where's he coming from?

Okay, I think to be fair is, you can't,

I mean, Edison's the one, I think, just completely wrong.

Okay.

That is just completely wrong.

I think that's Michael, to be fair, he's just not,

that, that, that.

And if it weren't Dennis, I'd left back.

Yeah, you'd need Dennis, but I agree, Dennis, left back.

However, I can see why people would go.

Sometimes, Ashley Cole, I've done this.

If you were, no, I can't see that.

I know.

And if it's not, if it's not, if it's not,

if it's not, if it's not, Michael, Simon.

No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

If it's not, if it's not, Michael, it's Seamons.

Okay, Debrauiner, Vierre, Gerard.

Ah, this is so difficult.

It's tough, eh?

It's tough, eh?

Paul Sculls, David Silver.

It's not what you do, these are glum pads.

It feels like it's good.

It feels like it's good.

Yeah, but if you get the, the, the beer, it is.

Yeah.

Put them three players are bringing players on.

Yeah, well, just, it's cool.

Yeah, again, we're talking about, like, the cream here.

But then we're talking about the cream here as well

in, in my team as well.

Like, yeah.

Salah, Salah, Omri.

Salah can't make my front free in front of Wainbury.

Yeah, Wain, what, what are we doing now, though?

Renaldo's, you know what I mean?

Renaldo's, now don't Wainbury.

She is, Wain and Renaldo's.

Wainbury.

Wain has to be in it from 16 man's kicking ball down.

I think you have to be in it, Wain.

I think Gixie has to be in there.

Salah can't be in front of Wainbury.

But you would also say shearing Omri,

you have to be in by the way.

No, you don't.

You could sit there and say shearing Omri,

you could easily sit here and say shearing Omri

have to be in there.

Yeah, you could.

Well, you can't say that have to be in there.

No, you could.

I could sit here and say I want to share

the greatest goalscoring Premier League history

and particularly Omri probably vaulted

the greatest player in Premier League history

by probably masses.

You couldn't sit here and say like,

you know, I mean, shearing Omri, we are coming

from a different angle in terms of what we see, you know,

of course, when we support and difficult.

I can't get over Wainbury not being in front of Salah.

What's wrong with that?

I think it's just an absolute...

Or an out of question.

..to say that not just tonight to play it.

Yeah, it's an unpopular opinion.

It's an unpopular opinion.

It's an unpopular opinion.

How do they have to play it?

How do they give Gixie out?

You're going to give Gixie out as well.

Yeah.

Skullsy.

Gixie Skulls, yeah, I agree.

But to be fair, I'm just saying,

would people pick Terry Omri over Gixie?

On the sheet here?

Terry Omri...

Salah's to the right, on the east to the left,

and shear is up front.

No, but...

And of course, Max was Salah being ahead of him.

That's only, yeah, that's the only one, Salah,

in front of Ronaldo, probably.

People say that I'll Ronaldo didn't do it as long as this,

but like Ronaldo's Ronaldo.

Beckham as well?

Yeah.

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Next one, a popular opinion.

Throw-ins should be replaced with kick-outs.

No.

That's awesome, Venger, isn't it?

Isn't that done by my boss?

Yeah, but no.

That's not my boss bringing out that foolishness, is it?

Is that what one of us in Venger's usually doing?

I mean, the throw-in...

They've got them just stopped throwing in the box,

and they're kicking in the box.

So it's a free kick instead of a...

You didn't even ask that one, girl.

It's just too many rules to put in the boss-out one.

It's so unpopular.

I don't even like it. That's why it's unpopular.

I don't like it.

That's a stupid one.

There must be a better one than that.

Like, you're going to not do throw-ins.

You know how old I was when I first took the throw-in.

I was so happy.

By the way, who's got the three...

Who's got the three rule changes for the World Cup in the summer?

Should we do those now?

Oh, yeah, right.

I've seen those.

Something like, if you don't leave the pitch within 10 seconds...

If you don't leave the pitch within 10 seconds,

if you number going up as a substitute,

you get what happens?

It's at one minute.

10 seconds.

That's too much.

And can you leave on...

You have to leave exactly where you are.

What if you're an obstetad?

You've got to leave the pitch.

Just step off over there.

I don't know where you have to walk around the pitch.

I hate that.

Imagine doing that on Anfield or...

Exactly. Tottenham.

Yeah.

That's going through.

A player is substituted.

He will have 10 seconds to leave the field.

If he takes longer,

the player coming in must wait at least one minute

before entering.

Yeah, one minute.

So you're literally...

So you could...

So you could a goal could be scored.

You could have done for 10 minutes if you don't get off the pitch.

That's quite a good rule.

I like it.

I don't.

I didn't get off the pitch.

I hate plays walking off.

Ten is a bit short of your...

That's not locked up.

You're always within 10 seconds.

Why do you not just book the player who's going off the pitch?

Have you seen...

Have you seen the pitch?

No, but then punished...

I think punished him as well.

I'll punish him now.

He's getting booked.

He's walking off.

It's all about time wasting, isn't it?

Really?

Do we like that rule?

I could see where they're coming from.

Maybe give a 15 seconds go.

10 feels really short, isn't it?

It's just me.

It's just me, I don't know.

That's quite a quick run, isn't it?

10 seconds goes like that.

Right, next rule change.

If a player asks for medical assistance on the field,

he must leave the pitch for one minute.

Exceptions can be made.

That's an important addition at the end, I think.

That's just a...

Grey area.

Yeah.

Cousins can be made.

So do you know what's happened?

And I've seen it a lot to be fair.

Yes, yeah, to be solved for the lot and in league two.

And I see it a lot actually.

The keepers now are going down on six to five minutes.

I mean, Raya does it a lot.

Yeah.

You know, a lot to play on.

I'm not going to go to keeper.

I'm not going to go to keeper on a last night.

Yeah, I think I'm sorry last night.

You know, when I first noticed it,

the women's game...

Yeah, yeah.

We did it in 2015.

World Cup, I think, was at the Markshamson.

But we used to do it about, I think,

it was 30 minutes and, like, 70,

if to go and get tactical advice.

Yeah.

Just with it.

I hate it.

Look, I've known it's been going on for a bit.

In fact, actually, your coach is like,

Yeah.

I actually think if a goalkeeper goes down, now,

just play on.

Right?

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Last but not least.

Last but not least.

If only team goal, we'd just say you've got five seconds.

You know what, I saw last night in the game last night.

It was...

It was athletic comedy, sort of.

And he tried to go down on purpose with...

He didn't have it.

And the referee just went...

Get up.

What about this real?

If a keeper goes down...

Right.

I think the first half, you can have to accept it.

If a keeper goes down in the last 25 minutes of a match,

there's an extra two minutes added on just automatically.

Yeah.

You'll add a minute on to the extra.

Yeah.

So just stop and do it.

If it's genuine, they will go down.

And they'll be injured, and you'll know that.

Yeah.

If you're not, you get an extra bit.

I find strange when the keeper's done it.

Soften to the last thing.

Soften score.

You want to look against the team.

Look, blow in the lead.

You go on.

Go on, get the...

Go on, you're gone.

What are you slow on the game, then?

Yeah.

You've got them where you want them.

Go on, get the second goal.

Yeah.

When I would say that, I mean, guys, I saw...

You've seen a lot of sofa matches.

I have...

We actually, sometimes, have been too guilty of going free after getting one.

But rather than just saying that...

Okay, let's manage and control the guy.

I thought we'd manage the game last...

In the last 15 minutes, quite well.

Last night.

Did you not...

I thought we had to manage it quite well.

After we went one, they'll up.

Yeah, but the game finishes one, they'll...

The other side to that is...

Soften, you could say we've conceded maybe a lot of their goals, maybe.

Go on, get the second goal this time.

Yeah, yeah.

Smell it again.

Maybe if you're wanting to put you in the pressure, but when you're on top of them,

just finish it.

Get the job done.

Yeah, yeah.

Thank you, Jim.

So, anyway, this rule...

If a player has a medical assistance, he must leave the pitch for one minute.

I don't like the 30-second rule, but the same exceptions can be made.

Now, that's, obviously, if someone's a genuine angel,

because people can't get genuinely injured.

But are we happy with the rule or not?

Yeah.

Because, like, if there's something wrong with him,

he's probably going to need that time.

Yeah.

There's something genuine need wrong with him, but...

There's nothing wrong with him.

What are we doing then?

How?

Okay.

What are we doing then?

There's too many grey areas in the game.

Well, I think you like the rule.

I just feel like I'm wanting...

There's more to go with this rule.

But I don't like the 30-second rule when the player's genuinely injured

and they have to go for 30 seconds.

Yeah.

If a player goes down in the first half of a game, I always say he's not genuine...

He's going to be injured.

Yeah, because he's not going to go down.

The time-waste...

He's not time-waste in the first half of a game at Nill-Nill.

So my point is, if he goes down then, and it goes for 30 seconds,

and then he misses a set piece or defending a corner or something like that,

you're punishing a team for a player by the injury.

Well, how can you be injured and come back on after 30 seconds?

Yes.

Like, you're saying he's genuine injured.

If he's genuine injured, he's not coming in after that.

He's not coming back.

Even after a minute.

Well, back to last week, and you can't be...

You can't treat him on the pitch, aren't you?

The same, you can't move them to treat them on the pitch.

And then you've done the treatments.

You've got to often, and then you can go behind.

But usually, if you're getting treatment on the pitch,

you should be like badly injured.

If you do get treatment on...

If you get treatment, you've still...

You get the treatment, then you've got to wait one minute.

One minute now.

I don't like it.

Well, that's what you said you did before.

I feel like I've changed my mind.

Change my mind, girl, because...

And plus, do we know if they're injured?

Why are we putting time on the pitch?

No, I think this is.

I think these rules need moving to the last 25 minutes for Matt's 20 minutes.

I don't...

These rules...

I just think there's too many f***ing rules, and...

It's just a little f***ing.

You just let the two teams play the game.

Mm-hmm.

And she...

You f***ing went...

Yeah, but wait a minute.

Yeah.

What the f*** is this?

Yeah.

What the f*** is this?

They were way pitch-milled and...

Where's the people that are using tactics now?

We don't know if they're injured or not.

That's the thing.

If people...

Slayer, stop f***ing lightning.

No, I don't ask them.

No, do I ask them to use...

Just a little bit.

Just a little bit.

I've got a question for you.

When you were a manager,

did you ever tell a player to go down so that you could do something?

No.

Did you ever give a tactic to a team?

Did you ever say to a player,

or did you ever...

That was like a make a sub.

And she would have, and it might be in still being the job.

Yeah.

Did you get me?

Of course.

No.

It's funny to me.

It's funny to me.

It's funny to me.

It goes in tratian.

That's all you think of.

I love it.

I'm trying to just bring so many different things into the game,

which is running the game.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's running the game.

It's boring.

It's just so many different things.

What are breaks?

Is there just breaks?

Two teams play the game.

What are breaks?

Right, we'll have to be fair.

You need the Walls for example, a manager.

This is dead for me.

Modern football is in danger of eating itself.

Unpopular opinion.

Yeah, but all these rules we've just been discussing.

That's why I've just said that on that.

Yeah.

That's a popular opinion.

Yeah, that's one thing.

Garif, I thought Garif, you've always been interested in some times.

When you have an opinion, and you're sort of retired,

or you feel like a bit of a dinosaur,

don't you?

Coming up with this type of modern football is eating itself.

But when hearing someone who's so close to the game,

saying that he thinks it's boring to watch.

Yeah.

I think what he said on the show a couple of weeks ago was real.

But we've had a few people on here,

and obviously even pass players who want to,

they're frustrated with the game.

But that's all emergency said it, or I think we've all said it.

I think we've all said it.

But now Garif bails 36.

He's just retired in the last year or two.

And he's saying it.

That's a real worry, I think.

Yeah.

It's definitely not as exciting, I think.

It's getting more and more.

It's too stopped out.

It's too stopped out.

I still get it.

Do you guys sound crazy?

Yeah.

I look and I listen to everybody say that it's getting boring.

I listen to fans say it worries me.

But when I go to a game, I'm going to the United Village weekend,

or it could be Arsenal Chelsea Cup.

I still feel excited.

And when I'm watching the game, I don't feel bored.

I don't feel like I still feel quite excited.

Too many players, cultures, whatever, trying to cheat.

I think that's the time to cheat.

There's too many stops down.

It's just constant stops down.

Is it game or advantage?

Is it gaming or advantage?

You want to say the correct word?

Whatever.

I just think there's so many things to cheat on.

Not all the time.

You know what?

When you try to keep it school down,

you're just looking for an advantage.

Newcastle do it a few months ago at United.

Try to do it.

You get the liberty to manage your centre to keep your bams

and the board down.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, to be fair, I mean, I remember,

because yeah, they made a big,

like a tactical substitution, didn't they?

Yeah.

Because United, I think, played with a four out of the five

that game.

It was when our room changed.

And I think that Eddie said,

get down to the keep.

Yeah, straight down, yeah.

Well, when we were playing,

I'd be shouting at my teammates to get up.

If you want the games to get on,

you want to tell your player,

and you want to,

you're not saying,

I'll stay down,

let's go and get a drink and do this.

You're saying, get up, let's keep playing.

Yeah.

Like, keep the momentum.

The floor of the game, yeah.

But I've never met anybody like you,

like a street football mentality,

to be fair.

Well, you're, you're, you're, you're,

you're going to the ground at school.

Hmm.

It's the ball went all, like, over on to the,

you'd be gutted, wouldn't you stop the game?

Can you imagine as well?

Like, good to the ball.

The game would stop.

Or if the ball burst, you'd be like,

oh, no, we've got to go.

But can you imagine, no, can I just,

a picture?

So Wayne made his debut at, like, 16.

Can you imagine when he was in a playground at 12,

what he was doing to people?

No.

What was it like when he was 12 playing in the playground, bro?

I went in to school at that time, I can't.

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It was out of there.

It would be moments of delay,

so he was going to be dinner, and I think he was too old.

I can't imagine you at 12 when you're playing it.

Sixth is crazy.

Yeah.

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The USA in the World Cup will be the worst ever.

As a team, or the whole time?

No, the USA, the tournament.

I don't think, I don't know.

I, I never feel that the, well, once the game starts,

once the football starts.

Yeah.

I think it'll be amazing.

It always kicks in, you know, wherever it'll be amazing.

It's probably just, logistically, the thing in Canada.

I think people think about...

You're not...

Yeah.

You're not getting worse in South Africa.

You're not.

Like, the atmosphere of the state, you know what I mean?

We were driving into the USA game, the first game.

We played with driving in, there was pitch black,

there was no fans there.

It was just...

No way you'd normally go to a World Cup,

there was fans everywhere.

There was no fans everywhere.

Yeah.

It just didn't feel like a World Cup at all.

It's really interesting.

Well, America won't be like that.

America won't be like that.

You'll get a lot of fans, won't you?

America will be...

I think it'll be really good.

I think the conditions will be out.

The conditions travel prices, the trouble at the moment.

I think people are sort of saying this is going to be like a bad thing.

But do you want to think about the Americans?

Obviously, you're played in 1994.

The Americans are still the best at...

Yeah.

So, not a sport.

Not a sport.

Yeah.

Yeah, the biggest in the best.

Yeah, I agree.

Just like that.

Yeah.

The Golden Generation is better than this current England squad.

Yeah.

It's so difficult one time.

No, something.

I just don't think you can because of the achievements of this current squad.

They've got to two finals, two semi-finals and a quarter finals against France.

No, I'm talking about better individuals or what they do.

I just think that there are two.

Well, there's just a statement.

It's done popular opinion.

Very popular.

Because this current squad of it, I think, to be fair, got to places where the Golden Generation never did.

Yeah.

I do think that if you haven't got injured in 2004, I think.

I know that you...

No, no, no, no.

I do think we would have gone on to the final.

I do think that.

Yeah, but never.

Is that not part of the challenge of a team missing your players and adapting and rolling with it?

You're talking about levels there to hear like...

I think if you...

If you go like we've just done before with the...

No, United Lads in the top level.

And if you go with that Golden Generation, if you like to call it and go individually and positionally,

you probably have the majority of that team in there.

Yeah.

But if you go on as a team and a collective of what you've been, then you go to the team.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Absolutely.

Okay.

Bruno would easily get into an all-time man United 11.

I had to show him an all-time man United 11, didn't he?

Bruno was in there.

I can't believe what it was that did it.

So Bruno gets into an all-time man United 11.

Let's get...

How many are playing in the middle, sorry?

Let's get Bruno's stats.

But two.

The British stats are incredible, too far.

We know it's stats.

Did they put an 11 there?

Go.

So as we call it...

No, it's basically nobody getting a trial man yet.

Yeah, but they haven't put him in an 11.

They haven't put him in an 11, so we could say he can't get in there in front of such and such.

It's a statement.

It's a statement.

Well, I don't like this game, girl.

What?

It's too much loose ends with this game.

What do your classes like a good player with its stats?

I think Bruno is a top player.

To get into Manchester United, the tall-time 11, I don't think so.

Yeah, I think it would be hard.

Will you think...

You've got...

Cantina.

It's all in the field.

Yes.

You've got Cantina.

You've got all your attacking players.

I just don't think...

Just on stats alone.

Yeah.

101 assists, 105 goals.

That's what he's got.

That is unbelievable, by the way.

Brilliant stats.

Amazing.

No, it is.

They don't believe it.

They're incredible.

What do you say?

That's not the question you ask.

But you are talking about getting in front of people like Bobby Childe and that attacking people.

Of course.

Best child and skulls.

And what a Bruno leaves in the next couple of years and he's not got even a couple of league titles under his belt.

That should count.

Part of your greatness has to be getting your hands on chalk.

On chalk has to be.

Has to be.

Right about.

If you're comparing a taller player, you've just mentioned there.

Great players, you, great characters.

Or Rob's.

Exactly. Again.

Rob, obviously.

Any position, Rob's.

Yeah, those creative.

Yeah, of course.

It's such an unpopular...

I don't like that question.

Oh, bro.

I hate it.

It's all these.

Shouldn't have asked that one.

What's Bruno?

What's Bruno?

What's Bruno?

What's he wanted?

He's a trophy-wise.

FA Cup league twice.

How long has he been...

Has he won the FA Cup twice?

How long has he been on the club?

Five, six years now.

League Cup of one.

He's been longer.

Longer.

He is.

He's won the FA Cup and the FA Cup.

Right.

So, after you know it in summer, he moves after a cup.

Look, the counter argument to that is that up until night three,

when Brian Robson was 35, 36, he'd only won two or three FA cups.

United.

So, my point is, he's like, the greatness of sort of Brian Robson as a player

when he was playing for England, playing for United.

He's just leaving Gerrard at Liverpool, obviously, on the Champions League,

but he also only won cups.

So, I think there are sometimes a player that does stay with a club that's like,

holds that club together through a difficult time.

And Bruno has been a shining life in United.

So, it's that...

I mean, if you put...

But I think, regardless, I don't think he gets...

At least I...

So much respect from the thing...

What he's doing in a...

A poem...

You know, he's seen what's been for the last few years.

He's been by far the standout player, and it's started very good.

But, to get in the team ahead of some of the players, all the money in the history,

I couldn't put them in there.

No.

Sometimes there's players...

And I've looked at players over the years who've played for teams,

and they've got amazing stats, but the team doesn't really make progress.

I draw it all my say to players, and it just don't mean Bruno.

I draw to your stats for a bit less, but your team will win a bit more.

Yeah.

Yeah, because that makes sense.

Yeah, it does help.

It can't be just what stats.

Yeah.

It's like all the players winning those trophies, you know, I mean, that's what it feels like.

All the players you've played with, you're going into the biggest game.

Who's beside you in the midfield?

Like, you don't look at stats.

It's like, who would you want beside you?

Yeah.

What do you got, guys?

From your...

You know, United is.

Yeah.

You could pick...

You could pick Scores, you know, maybe.

Yeah.

But he was good.

He wants to battle with it.

Yeah.

Because he's time for Liverpool.

Yeah.

Into the midfield.

So in the insi-left United, I thought it was a big blow that...

Because a young lad, that summer sparky left and insi-left.

And like, we were obviously young players at the time.

And we were actually breaking in.

We played in that final before they left.

The one against Everton, whenever to beat us.

And he was a blow that, because them two were massive characters in the dressing room.

But insi was like...

Insi was amazing with young players.

He was hard with us, but he was amazing with us, you know.

He really looked after us properly, insi-like, you know.

When we got back to the...

We got back again.

Dinosaur's got back to when we played.

But all these players, we kind of tore what we mentioned.

And we talked about the modern player.

Insi, Sparky, all these lads, Raymond, whatever.

Proper characters.

Yeah.

It's a fucking...

It's the characters that get you over the line in certain games,

or when you have a difficult few months.

And it's the guys in the background, who are the fringe players.

I was like, where's that soul for all these lads?

You come into my play.

You talk about 15, 20 games.

But they were ready.

They were really top-roars.

That must have been worse.

I still think he just showed a lot of characters, or Bruno.

Bruno, yeah.

He played very, very Mr. Games, those years.

Oh, yeah, I'd give him credit for all that stuff.

He was available.

I mean, that's it.

Just that right.

Imagine you're not in the area that you're in.

Imagine you're not just born at the point whereby...

Right.

...stri-let's focus on signs.

You come and play it united.

And you obviously come into a great team nightfall

with great lads.

You talk about...

Imagine you're born when Bruno's born, and you come...

And you're that...

You take Bruno's place, and Bruno goes back and plays when you play.

There's an example.

What impact...

Yeah.

I do think timing is...

Is it...

Is it...

You know, because for Bruno to be fit...

If Bruno was playing in our team, he would have won titles.

Yeah, we could sit here for next 20 minutes and speak for the highly of Bruno.

And this might...

Might hang up on him a little bit.

An amazing player.

More talented, I could ever dream about.

Fantastic.

But I just got back to the great players

as something the great players make your lads around them better.

Yeah.

But if they're signing shit around, you're like...

And they'll beat you for like five years.

But you've said a few times.

You know, they kind of all have been shit.

They've spent hundreds of millions.

They've stopped walking out.

And that's not on Bruno.

That's the environment.

The team, chopping and changing managers, recruitment.

But I still look at Bruno at certain times.

And I'd have high standards of players.

You're talking here about comparing the Bobby Chaplin and Rob Warnall these lads.

And I still think the top players...

What I watch week and week out, different levels of football.

They're great players.

Make yours around them better.

I just think Bruno...

I don't think he's got that in his locker.

And that's fine.

He's got a different DNA.

And he's probably thinking, no, no, I'm doing my thing.

And I'm getting all these goals and stats.

And I would just, on certain days, look to God.

Just come back a little bit and be more digging where the team can get a result instead of you and your stats.

It's someone's...

I'm contradicting myself.

Because you need a player...

Yeah, I would say that.

I think playing him in a deeper role in midfield was to be fair, not right.

I think where he's playing now in that number 10 role, I think, is perfect.

Because it allows him not freedom to be able to go and do what he should be doing, which is good.

I get all that.

Yeah, but ultimately, you're playing for Man United.

We're talking about players who don't necessarily want to win stuff.

But when we are experienced that you're united.

And if you're saying,

Incy, Scots, you're all these lads.

And I'm thinking if we're in a game and Bruno's in our team and not in our team,

I still think you'll be rubbing your hands up against Bruno.

I just think...

I don't compare him to the lads we've just mentioned.

And maybe that's because I've got loyalty to them lads.

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OK, an Arsenal one.

You don't like this game, but you're going to get an Arsenal proceed.

If you and I have been given the same financial backing and support

from the fans and club as Arthetta has had,

we would have won the league at least twice by now,

possibly even European trophy.

Yeah, it's not bad, I mean.

You know what, I think that, you know, that's cool.

So what's always leveled against him is the fact

I didn't give him the time.

I don't think they did.

But when you look at Una and what he's done with villain,

what he's trying to do with villain with all their kind of like PSR

or all the money that they can't spend whatever it is,

I think he probably could win a couple,

I don't know if he'd win that much,

but I think we would have definitely won something like that.

The timer for a manager's huge.

His timing at Arsenal, when he was a bit younger and Arsenal

maybe might have been a bit more...

Maybe the timing for a manager.

So sometimes you go,

I think if you spoke to him,

no, he'd be gone.

Not an Arsenal experience.

It was fantastic for me.

He didn't walk up, but I learned a lot.

I know what he has done and maybe he didn't have an Arsenal.

I'd only go to a job when I have my people around me upstairs

because that's where he comes alive and he's got,

he's probably in charge of everything,

which he's probably is a villain.

But it's probably hard to get that control

at an Arsenal or a man United.

There's too much stuff going on upstairs.

But he's got a villain he had obviously in Spain.

And maybe that's his environment.

This is where I'm comfortable.

But Arsenal have done well to stand by.

A manager hasn't won the trophy for five years

and believe in him.

Because I think he's going to get there this season.

But I think there's been a massive progression.

A massive progression.

A progression and I think that has been brilliant.

For all their patience, they're going to get rewards.

I think not just the next few months.

Because Arsenal obviously, you think they're going to get the hands on one trophy anyway.

Maybe two, but from Arsenal's point of view,

now Tet and their point going, listen, that's just the start of it.

We've got no director of football

and this is the start.

Because Arsenal want to be around the next four, five, six, seven, eight years

and try and dominate it.

Would you and I have won the title by now?

If you've been backed?

I'd have to say that.

Actually, I've got that support I would say.

Yeah.

But it's quality.

That's what I'm thinking as well.

The way he's attention to detail and what he's done.

He's not a million miles off of me clear with the attention to detail.

So if he got that same backing and, like you say, the timing.

Yeah, I think he could have done it.

Would you and I am going to be a candidate for Manchester United in the summer?

No, because what we just said, the structure.

You don't, you'll go there.

No, he would go there, no?

Yeah, but no.

I think he's...

No, I'm just saying.

I know, but you talk about managers.

The top managers, Pep and Clude.

The top managers manage upwards as well.

They call the shots and the people above them.

Yeah.

He's got that a villa.

He would have had it.

He didn't have an answer and go back to the table.

And I know something you can't just automatically go to a job

because you've got control everywhere.

I think what it's he doing in the villa and the people above them

suits him down to that.

That's a good point.

So he'd have to have his own people.

Yeah, I think that's a strength manager.

I want to thank you.

I learned that my poor license.

I think he would do a job though.

Yeah, I think Michele's manager.

I don't think he would be that desperate enough

to sacrifice all that to go to even a united.

I think Michele's got the power of these managers.

No, I don't think so.

Yeah, I don't.

Fingers crossed, Michele, I can finish it.

Last one.

Probably leveled at us, maybe, or not all of us.

Those who haven't managed in the top tier

should temper their opinion on managers working in the game.

Listen, I'm ball-a-league manager.

I'm a ball-a-league champion.

Kind of questions.

I'm a winner.

Did it mean like pundits and stuff like that?

I think that's what it's saying.

I think when I look back at the jobs I've done,

I think I've asked my teams to try and play

the way a Premier League team will play.

So I think I'd be actually suited better

to a Premier League team than to what it was.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, but are people also questioned pundits' opinions

who've not managers?

Yeah, that's the question.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah, but that's who you're going to get on then.

You're not going to get on top of the game.

You're not going to get on top of the game.

Ex-managers are like pundits.

Exactly.

No, but also in general, when we're doing games,

we can go.

Yeah.

The standard pundit, you mean?

Yeah, yeah.

We should manage in the top tier.

Yeah, no.

It would be leveled at you.

Yeah, but I'd like to think it gives you a chance.

But you've courted a good level.

But for me, given an opinion on a football match,

it's not about people in a green.

But if you've played at decent level,

you've managed a court, international football opponent.

Yeah, it should give you a little bit of help along the way.

But it doesn't mean you're going to be right or wrong,

or people are going, yeah, we agree with you.

Actually, I worry when people agree with me all the time,

the man in the street, I don't want you to agree with me.

Exactly.

You'll be watching the game after 15 pints.

You've got to give a bit of expertise to it.

But yeah, that's all you're doing.

But even the fat fans have been watching the game for many, many years.

They could qualify for talking about it.

Well, you're doing that, aren't you?

Exactly.

That's what they're doing now.

Like, fendipity.

Imagine if you started to choose, oh, you can't do it

because you didn't play there.

You didn't play in that tournament, are you?

But what I find out on the TV?

Right, he does the women's game.

Like, do you have to have done something?

I'll talk about men's football.

Like, do you have to have done something?

Well, what it is, man, you know what we do?

Still fair and we work.

And I find it strange when other pundits get on board

and disagree with what you've said.

You're going, that's just a wrap.

Why you doubt?

Why you question us?

You're just another pundit.

Other pundits seem to get upset with other pundits opinion.

And you've got, that's what it's the game is about.

We could all watch this game here, everyone in this room.

And we see it a bit differently.

Yeah.

But because we've played the game and managed to go,

I'd like to think, I might be a step ahead of you.

It doesn't mean that you get blows here,

but then go, hey, I can just say that

because I've played a certain amount of games.

And you still do your homework.

You still watch the game and go,

that's what I'm seeing today.

Actually, I've been playing on you that many times.

I've been in the dressing room where...

Yeah, of course.

I'll think something new, something different or...

Yeah.

But you've managed, right?

And we've done a bit of coaching.

But certainly when you're doing games and people ask,

what would the manager be doing?

It doesn't mean to say you're going to get all right wrong,

but you're going to...

No, I have an idea of where the manager might be coming from.

I'm trying to see it from a manager's point of view.

Just because I've managed.

Sometimes good, sometimes bad.

But you're just...

And tightly give your...

Everybody else.

Everybody else.

Everybody.

But I don't understand the other pundits out there.

Who get upset with the other pundits opinion.

You go, that's fine. It's cool.

You're cool, you're jets.

You know what you mean?

Well, you shouldn't be saying that.

You're backing in, you're backing in.

Everyone's backing somebody.

Well, that's what I've found.

It's the people who...

I don't know.

They're different things.

And they just want to come out, yeah.

Just because of the...

The pylon that can come with...

I mean, I think to be fair.

If you've played football or if you've watched football,

I never doubt the opinion of a fan who's watched their team.

Yeah, absolutely.

If a fan has watched their team,

50 games in a season.

Of course.

Every minute.

They've got an unbelievable amount of knowledge

of that club and that player.

And, you know, we watch Liverpool 15 times a season.

If you watch Liverpool 50 times this...

When I watch Liverpool sometimes,

I don't think they're boring.

I don't think that they...

I don't get bored watching Liverpool.

I think I'd say quite like them.

If you speak to Liverpool fans on mass,

they're like, nah, I think that it's not right.

They watch them every week,

every minute of every single game.

We don't.

But that's just a mean to say on our right-goat.

You know what I mean?

No, I get that.

But what I'm saying to you is that,

I think the fans, ex-players, players

have a right to have an opinion.

And a lot of the time,

I think managers to be fair.

That's why in the games...

I've got experience of managers and being a manager.

Managers are last to see the problem sometimes

because of their stubbornness and their paranoia.

Now, they're also highly qualified

doing a pressurized job.

But they have very, very...

Managers come in.

No, that's what Amran just...

He was stubborn.

Yeah, he was stubborn.

Managers come in with an idea.

They stick to it.

They have players where they have blind spots,

where they can't see a blind spot.

The copy-manage is a good example with Amarie Mattry.

Yes.

So, you see that?

And then they're last to change.

But everybody in the crowd that can see it.

Just get a copy in there

or change the system ribbon.

And we'll back you again, yeah?

Yeah.

So, a fan...

Again, you're on the other hand.

So, I'd want to...

Fans can all...

You have to take care of it.

If you start listening to other fans' opinions every week,

you'll get a job of...

No, I don't.

But they're quite...

What's the actual...

One popular opinion.

Those who haven't managed the top day

should temper their opinion on managers working.

Like, fans have opinions about certain players,

or certain clubs.

One week, you know.

They're certain fans of their favorite team.

Yeah.

Because we're walking closer to everyone.

I don't get that one.