DonTSelly Joins Pleb Underground For A Chat

0:00I'm a street from the ground. I'm a street from the ground. Where's Said? Hey everybody, welcome back to the PLEB Underground. Happy Friday on your host, Phil. Well, as you guys know, I'm going to be doing an interview today, but it's more just like a sit down friendly chat catching up with none other than Don T. Celi. It's kind of funny because I've known Don for quite a few years and it did not occur to me that his name was Don Cel. Yeah, I know. I know. I'm that kind of a retard. I can't help it. But he's working on some really cool stuff. He's working on this cartoon called Rect and Shorty where he's bringing in all these different Bitcoiners and at the same time.

1:01He's working on Chickentender.io. I'm not 100% sure what that is. We're going to let Don explain it. And if you want to catch him, he is going to be at the Midwest Bitcoin Summit next week. Now, before we bring Don on, of course, I'm going to do some numbers. Right? Got to love the numbers. We're going to kick it off for today because look yesterday, we were sitting at like what, 76 or something. Take a look at us today. Bitcoin Fiat Exchange 80,664 new all time high on the block height, 967,574. Three stats per V bytes. What are we getting here? 4,450 Bitcoin. Public liquidity for lightning. Not bad. Not bad. It's still holding up, guys. Still holding up nice. And look at that. Instead of getting 76 iPhones per Bitcoin, now you're getting 80. Not bad at all in 20% of a house. Absolutely fantastic.

2:01Let's say good morning to the folks, Bitcoin beacon. What is happening? Clean your machine. What is going on? Happy Friday. All right. Without further ado, you're going to bring Don on. Let's freaking do it. Hey, what's happening? What's happening, Don? Happy Friday. Happy Friday. My favorite day. Yeah. It really is. It's, you know what, though, is it really or is Thursday the best day? No, Thursday I did. What's with math with the little one? And it gets a little, not the best day. Intense. That's not the best day. OK. But you're learning something there, too, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's not just a kid. Yeah, no, no. It's a learning experience for both of us. This is our second year homeschooling. So math is my strong point, and she's learning to make it hers slowly. Very nice. I truly wish that math was my strong point.

3:02Unfortunately, it never was. That's OK. That's OK. It's good times. What's really important is that you get to share that time with your kid. And, you know, that's something that, hey, you know what, when I was a kid, homeschooling was in fairness back then, right? In the 80s and 90s, it was pretty much perceived as weird, right? And today, it turns out that it's actually, it's actually significantly maybe even better in going to a public school. So we're even a private school. So it's interesting. It's interesting the trade-offs. Yeah. Well, you know, I think the farther down the rabbit hole, we all go. We're the weird ones. So I'm proud to be the weird ones. Because there's still a lot of NPCs that call us weird for being bit-coiners and homeschoolers and self-sovereign and going against the current thing. Cheers. We're antiques, sir. We're antiques.

4:02And that's what it is. Apparently, the bit-coiners are paleo technologists. Oh, yeah. Well, before we, oh, go ahead. Oh, I was just going to say, you know, the first time I knew you were an old soul like me. You're going to get along so well. That's right. That's a good point. And it's so funny, right? Because I believe that you and I, we met at, it was the Bitcoin conference, 2023 or 2024. I think it was 2024. You and I. 2023 at a bit. Right before we were pre-gaming for the plebtoco night. So it was a Miami one. Yes. Yes, it was a Miami one. And that was absolutely a good time. You know, we got the chill and hang out. Both of us getting ripped and chill and it was a good time. Yeah, that was, there's a specific, there's a specific piece of that that I remember where we were both wandering back and forth from the, from the Airbnb and the actual taco pleb dinner. Yeah, neither of us were, were, were not good navigators.

5:06Navigators, huh? Yeah, we're, we're definitely not the best navigators. Okay. Before we dive into some, we dive into some, some dawn stuff here. I just want to, I always say good morning to the fellow plebs, right? Matthew J. Clean your machine is saying good morning to you, sir. There you go. Good. There you go. Hey, no name extra. What's up? Plastic. What's up? Rorak, what are we doing? Oh shit, that's right. Yeah, sorry, dude. I started 12 for the, for the interviews, you know? It's, yeah, Fridays is the day where I don't share the office and I get to start at 12 sharp. What's happening, sad stacker? Okay. So before we dive into, uh, uh, wrecked and shorty and chicken tender.io, we're going to back it up. I think it's been like, as we were talking, right, the previous before the show. It's been what like a year since we caught up every once in a while. You'll message me and two years. I think it's been two years since I've been, I've been off, I've been off.

6:07Uh, podcast for two years. I've been on the background. So I think it's been two years. That actually does make sense. Yeah. A lot of things. A lot of things over here. I like the new intro. Oh, thank you. Yeah. No, I appreciate it. Yeah, I just, you know what? I got a whole bunch of graffiti out of Montreal and then there was like a specific piece out of a, um, out of a skate video that, that audio. And I was like, you know what? This is what I want for my intro. So appreciate that. Appreciate that. So, um, but look, last time we spoke, you were with, uh, you were working with BTC sessions, you were doing all kinds of coordination over there. And every once in a while, you'll reach out to me and be like, Phil, send me your, uh, send me your pitch, you know, for, for sponsorships. So now we fast forward two years later. What's, what's going on? I feel like you still, even though you're not managing like 29 Twitter accounts, I feel like you, you've now just morphed from managing 29 Twitter accounts to just simply managing

7:12different projects and or businesses. I've, I've become very embedded, uh, over the last two years. Well, you know, when I, when I left mortgages and every tire for mortgages five, five years ago now, um, I vowed to never work and fee out again. So now I have to scoop up as many Bitcoin jobs as I can, but, um, chicken tender is my media company. And so that has started to oversee negotiations and represent a lot of different podcasts. We have 12 on the roster now. Um, we have two cartoons as well. So Maxie's club and then, um, the spin off, Sally and friends that we're going to be talking about here soon. Yeah. I'm still, I'm still on the OG project. So I still help out. Um, I still write my articles every issue for Stack Chain magazine and, um, that is a collaboration of plebs that just argue until we all get a unanimous consent.

8:13So that's fun. Um, so I go over there and I write articles and argue over there. Um, still help out with proof of ink as much as I can, which was my original. Yeah. That was, that was my first, that was my first Bitcoin job with over which, um, I was John from proof of ink. And so, um, honestly, like I'm becoming one of his bigger clients here soon because I have a lot of merchandise that I like to spin now. So, uh, but yeah, it's, it's, it's been a ride. Um, but the big thing with chicken tender, it's, it's my production company and, and my media company that represents a lot of the projects and, um, we do, so I do the animating, um, me and Red do animating and writing and I do a lot of the voiceovers and I bring in everybody else for the cart too. So that's, um, Max's club show and Sallie and friends are the biggest projects I have running now. Um, very nice.

9:14So you're getting some, you get some compliments over here. ACP likes chicken tender. Good name. I agree. I'm, thank you, sir. I, I, I, I pride myself on branding. Uh, that's the one thing. Yeah. It's branding and Bitcoin. That's why people keep me around. I, I was good. I was going to say, uh, I mean, like I, you're also, you're also a good guy. Um, but yeah, I, I agree. I do appreciate your branding. I think that, uh, I think you have an eye for, you know, for, for that and, and making, making it sticky, you know, like Max's club, that, that's an easy one. You know, like that, like you just, you say it and it's like immediately. It just draws up all the, the Bitcoin stuff, you know, so, and, and of course, wrecked and shorty, you know, it's a good, that, that's a good flip. Yeah. So, sorry. Yeah. Before we dive into that, though, I just, I just want to back up. Can, uh, can you tell the audience, uh, can you share which, um, which podcasts are fall

10:15under the, the chicken tender, the chicken tender banner? Um, so I represent a bunch. But, um, you know, I represent Bitcoin news, uh, their podcasts and, and what they have going on, um, walkers podcast. So the Bitcoin podcast, tick coin. Yeah. Okay. Let's ask, I just want to ask you about that one very quickly because there's been some confusion. It was the TIT coin podcast. Was it not? For like a few years, at least. It is the, so T H E, all caps Bitcoin podcast, we are handless tick coin. Um, you can call us whatever we want as long as you watch, guy. Okay. I got a swore it was a, it was called the tick coin. It was probably was before anyways. Okay. As far as, as far as how we branded on YouTube, yeah. The Bitcoin, the, no problem, no problem.

11:16We will stay with that. But I'm sorry, though, I didn't mean to cut you off while I did, but, uh, continue, continue. What other, um, what other shows do you, do you have, um, under your banner? And if you don't mind also sharing like what, what services do you, like, you write, what do you do for them or what do they do for you, you know, kind of thing? Oh. For some reason you froze for me, I don't know if you're frozen for anybody else. Are we good oo. There we go, you're back, yeah. I'm on Starlink so blame Elon. No, but I'm Canadian. So I have to apologize. So, you don't Starlink I'm Canadian. It's just, it's working. Okay, sorry. Everybody were going to get through this. Just like, every podcast probably was too tough. That's it. You know, Unlovd like, um, other math.

12:16I do if you can hear me now. So FRATS podcast, you're the voice. So it's one of the bigger ones I help with this. Well, and then there's a lot of smaller ones too, across the board. But what I do is, I help, I'm business development. I manage a lot of the partnerships, the sponsorships. At the end of the day, the people person, the networker. So I go ahead and I meet people like you and all the other podcasters and all of the CEOs and mostly CMOs, I'm good friends with, on all the companies with Bitcoin. And I actually consult, so they hire chicken tender for me to help consult them on their marketing budgets, where they want to spend their podcast, what their goals are, where to get in the right audiences. And I have a handful of them under chicken tender, but then I also have a handful that I work on contract

13:17outside of that as well. I used to help book guests, I just saw that. I focus more on bringing in the money so that we can build the podcast up. So connecting the sponsors with the right podcast. Right. Yeah. Actually, you know, like you want to film where you're booking guests, what kind of sponsors you have, everything. You want to make sure you're spending your money right, especially when we go in and out of bull markets. So I advise people on that as well, you know. Up until recently, my model has lasted three years longer than S2F, because everybody hates 50AK, but hey, so I advise on, yeah. Did you just flexed 50AK against stock to flow?

14:19Yes, absolutely. We were right for three years. For you. Good for you. I appreciate that. Yeah. Plan B down that. Oh, Flex, I'm not that modest. I'm not O'Dell. Oh, wait. On a second, BTC Moon Guy's asking, did Tselly kill the meme factory podcast? No. No, if anything, those are probably the episodes that have the biggest views. I live, I live streamed, I live streamed, Selly to flow. There you go. I live streamed literally on, on meme factory podcast. So like, I had to take a pee and the market was like, just go. And I was like, all right. And we, uh, we went to take a pee. We're really live streamed. Yeah. I live streamed at a Starbucks bathroom. So why not? All right. You just get to market second me on. I was like, I got a pee. Like I was sitting there. I was like, ooh, I drank out of coffee and you get another question.

15:24And I already think you're not the peptide guy, but you, Ror is asking, isn't Tselly the peptide guy? I don't, I don't think you are. So I used to do peptides. I used to work with a Bitcoiner who owns FitScript and a peptide company. But as of right now, I'm not on any peptides. But I, if you, if you're interested in learning about peptides, I know a good amount now. But yes, they, they weren't wrong. I'm one of the, me and Ben. Me and Ben, so when I was working with you, you guys were doing the, okay. Yeah, one of our sponsors was FitScript and then Real Peptides. So, you know, we like to use, who sponsors us. Unfortunately, he, he did some shit-coining and so I went from there. Yeah, this is what happens, right? Yeah, you're getting a question here from Psychotrain. He wants to know what peptides he needs to take to be skinny and never do set-ups.

16:26He essentially, Psychotrain wants to have, and again, I'm not, I'm not trying to glaze, but it's going to happen anyways. He would like to have T. Celi's body, but with the work of Phil sitting on the couch, wherever. How does, how does he achieve this? Well, I'd have to give you workout workouts that aren't sit-offs. I do a lot of stuff on the bars and like hanging and bringing my legs up, my toes to, to up here. That's good. But I'm not, there's not peptides that are going to do that for you. Just that. So you've got a good effort. You can, you can, you can DM me on Twitter or on one of my many. I still have 40 something handles that I manage, but I have other people help me now. But yeah, we can get into direct stuff a little later on peptides. Okay, cool. Yeah, no, this is definitely not that show. Yes, yes, yes. But people, but that's it. People are asking. Yeah, whatever. Okay, well, we'll get in, we'll get into the show.

17:26Yeah, it's fine. But we'll get in, I'll answer that stuff, but I'm not going to sit here and tailor stuff. You call me directly for that. Yeah, exactly. Guys, if you want to speak to that. You want to speak to that? You want to speak to that? Yeah, exactly. If you want to speak to that. You want to speak to that. You want to speak to that. Yes, you and Jeff, either your ass or it's your belly, usually depending on the peptide. All right. Well, work, work just wants to know when the peptides do the work for him. That's, that's pretty much it. Oh, wow, look at that. So Torip is also asking when next meme factory show on YouTube. So if I'm not mistaken, though, meme factory is is Greg. Yeah, I'm not meme factory. You are a meme factory. I'm 58 K gang. We got in a big fight and we, you know, during the fifth door, no, no, no, no, not in a big fight like that. So a lot of people confuse me for being on meme factory because I'm like an unofficial member because I, me and Dennis run, you know, 58 K gang and we were nemesis in the

18:31meme world. So a lot of people confuse us. Yeah, you don't know the great meme war of 58 K gang versus, I mean, I didn't realize it with the, I thought you guys were working together. You see how well, always work together, not in rivalry. No, we're all best friends. But like as far as the meme war is like, we only became better friends by fighting over 58 K and making memes that just went back and forth. And this was back in the pinata farm days, but like, yeah, all pinata farms. Yeah, I used to, I used to do, I used to program for them. So you would, I would move the little dot and then everybody would put whatever pictures they want and then it would move to the dot that I moved. Like that was one of my early jobs and meaning. So yeah, anyway, everybody thinks I mean factory. I would have been had Greg asked, but by the time he had magazine and Maxie's closet, we're

19:32all, we're all best friends with the rival, the rival has only brought us stronger together because at the end of the day, it's us fighting during bear and bull markets that push really the narrative that that hold us all together, especially during the bearish man. We'll hold it together. And you know what, to that point, right? How has the dynamic changed? Because I, I, I agree with what you're talking about, right? I remember that like it's, you know, and again, this is why I had the impression that you guys were all just, you know, not having like a meme battle or a meme war or anything I was just like these guys are killing it each in their, in their own right. And I, I look at it today and it just seems to me as though the, the landscape, at least for the echo chamber of Bitcoin Twitter has changed. Yeah. And well, that's because we invited the, the big money into it, big Bitcoin, right?

20:34So what's, what's, what's happened is we are now coming out of the culture that we're, well, we're now coming out of a bear market where a lot of the turmoil and everything isn't focused on the in fighting that we've always done that just made us all closer. Now it's there in the, then they fight you stage, right? So before it was then they ignore you. And so we were just, you know, you're having fun, you're starting to like, you're Starlink cut out again for me. Dammit, Elon. Yeah. Sorry guys. You're good. So don't you know, I'm Canadian. I apologize. Doesn't matter which way is he showing up over here? Um, good thing I know what's on my screen. Look at that. Oh my gosh. I know you guys, I know you guys are screen shining that just know it's just Phil. I'm not going to change my screen.

21:36But, um, no, where what it is is, is the environment is where, and then they fight you stage, right? We're getting fought, you know, the, the fight is all back because we're getting into the bull, but also there's a lot, there's a lot more bad actors that have been invited in. Um, during this phase of allowing big, big coin and big green treasury companies and just. So now instead of infighting like now we are fighting outside the box. So the memes have to kind of go outside. And I think that's the vibe right now is it's because we're in the, then they fight you. And we really had fun during the, then they, you know, then they ignore you phase. So, interesting. Right now. I mean, that, that's, that's how I see it, right? Yeah. I think that that's interesting. I, you know, when you talk about the then they fight you, I, I never, okay. So from my perspective, I've never drawn a line in the sand. So to speak, right? Like for me, all of these phases are kind of happening like all at the same time to different

22:42degrees. And, and so, but I also can't disagree with the suits being more emblematic of the then they fight you stage, right? Like I, I can definitely, I can see that because now all of a sudden, right? The conversation has changed. It's changed from the, you know, um, fuck the banks and, you know, be, you know, be your own bank narrative and, and the whole like there's you and the state. Now all of a sudden it's, it's that, it's the, it's the Trojan horse meme, right? Where, where you've got the, you know, we're putting on the suits and we're here to talk to you about Bitcoin and the suits are there salivating also looking at Bitcoin. And what's happening is is that, hey, Bitcoin's great and all, but there's all this other stuff that, that we can build around it. And of course, all that other stuff is the derivatives. And it's interesting to me that it's interesting that Bitcoin was able to be pitched to J. Swannies

23:47point from people with hoodies, whereas now all of a sudden, you need a bunch of people in suits to lie, while not necessarily to lie, that's just my own framing, but to, uh, to represent this to other people in suits. Yeah. And, and, well, the other thing is the suits are paying for a lot of the media now. So a lot of the, a lot of the media that is being influenced. That explained why no peace ponderous us. Well, that's, so, um, I mean across the board, uh, during a bear market, it's, it's, um, it's the best podcast that have to hunker down until the bear, or to the bull. But what's been happening is, is a lot of our people who understand Bitcoin are, our level, were the ones getting invited onto mainstream things like sailor and Natalie and, and, and a lot of others. And now it's all being saturated by marketing teams building their own people and their own

24:51CEOs and staff into those Fox News podcasts. And so you're seeing a lot more people who are more big Bitcoin on these shows than the people who actually understand why we Bitcoin. And the big thing is, I mean, the big thing is a lot of people come to Bitcoin originally to get rich, right? And that's how a lot of them get in. But it's the, oh, it's the people that they're listening to, and especially, you know, we're, from cycles ago, we're, we're ancient. Yeah. This, but the new people, but the new people are coming in and they are just getting swooped into the, let's get rich narrative. And there's the people who are doing that are not, they are not segwaying them into the why we Bitcoin. And so I think that's what's going on right now. And, um, we're in a bull market. So all of that shit dies real quick. Um, well, we're in a crab market. Let me be real for you. Yeah. Bull market will start spring.

25:53Um, all time high, 20 predictions. Let's go. All time, all time high, 2028, bull market spring, we're crabbing until then unless something stupid happens. I mean, the, the straighter her news and stuff like that, then using Bitcoin, that's a little bump. But like, unless that pushes further outside the box, I think we're still crabbing until we're ready. Uh, and you got to look at the past cycles, like all the world events, it pushes it up and down a little bit different each cycle. But you zoom out, which we love saying. Yeah, of course, low time preference. If we zoom out, that's what's going to happen. You have to look at the 200 running, uh, the 200 MMA, the local high and the local low of last cycle. And that basically dictates each cycle after. Um, and I have a track record of being right. I was, I was off by 5,000 because I said 75,000 is where we'll crab that. We hit 80 and I was like, all right, I'll throw in the towel. Like I'm not going to sit here and pretend I'm s2f and like, no, it's, I'm just, it's

26:56just a little off. It's like, no, I was wrong. But it's still, I still think I know the trajectory, give or take. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, let's give you predictions. This is not funny. I'm, I'm a chicken. Look, we're going to be rich. Yeah, he wants to know to find rich, to find rich. So like rich, rich in life, rich in friends, rich, well, now you're, now you're going into the nuance, right? There's, there's levels. Right? I mean, ever since I joined Bitcoin, uh, there are more market, which I've survived both, uh, multiple times. Um, it's the people. It's the people that make me rich. It's the networking. It's the right people. It's the people who are like, mind it. We're all building something together and we have. Change. Yes. So there we go. This to me. Yeah. This is, to me, like, it's like, look, and I get it, I totally get it right. Some people, it's very important that they can, you know, spend the maximum amount

28:01of dollars at all times. And that to them is true wealth. And that's totally fine, right? To each their own. But I totally agree with Rorke. For me, it's, it's all about rich in time. That it's, that's what it's all about. And this is truly, you know, at least for me, what I always wanted out of Bitcoin. So I got it. I got it. It took, it took work. And once you got it, you still got to work for it. So I think this whole entire time I've been talking and T Sally has been frozen. Oh, you're good. Uh, I'm. I'll wait. But Moon guy is in it for the tech and the internet friends. Okay. So speaking of the tech and internet friends, I guess I'll have to catch up with you after the show and just the you and I, you're going to have to tell me what I'm doing wrong when it comes to the sponsors. But besides that, let's dive into, um, let's dive into first. Okay. Before we talk about rect and shorty, let's talk about chicken tender.

29:04Now hold on. Let me pull up the website. Okay. Let me. Don't do that. Because I just made the website for emails right now. I have to. Okay. Okay. I won't do it. Because yesterday when I was doing my rights, when I was when I was doing my room, you do, Jill, Jen, she like, what the fuck is this? And it was, that's exactly it was something I put together to add emails for my staff. I love the logo. I love the logo. I used it for the thumbnail for the show, but everything else, I'm like, what? I'm like, this doesn't sound like anything that he's talked about. So yeah, it's, I apologize. But that was, yeah. So, so me and Asanoa, one of my, um, when my good friends in this space, who's a great person at this, Asanoa, oh, yeah, the artist, the artist. That's a no. Yeah. As you know, okay. Yeah, yeah. As you know, I, um, I do the artist spotlight, which is the centerfold of every statue magazine. So I'm friends with some of the greatest artists in this space. Um, and I get to meet a new one. Not in the privilege.

30:05Yeah, absolutely. So, um, I kind of, I designed most of the label and then I kind of put it in his hands to help make it look really king. So thank you for that. That's, that's, uh, I want to give credit to both me and him for that. But, um, you know, I was always known like my character has kind of grown over time as being the, you know, the, the chicken of Bitcoin Twitter, which, I, which, which I am so happy I did because do you know how many awesome puns there are with chickens? And then being, and then being a 58 K gang, do you know how many cock jokes there are? It was, you mean, you mean eggplant jokes? I'm cursing. You can cur, you, you, this isn't like, yeah, no, it's okay. You can, you can curse. Yeah. If it's not you, it's me. But yeah, uh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But it's okay. We can even swap because Bangarang thinks, uh, or is asking if you're a centerfold model.

31:10Not yet. No, no, I mean, I've seen the picks on, but I've seen the picks on Twitter. I mean, in all fairness, right? Like, no, you know, not gay, but, you know, I've seen some poses that you've done. And I'm like, damn, I need to, I need to step up my game. Like when you were putting out those exercise pictures, I'm like, okay, you know, maybe 25 pushups every day is not enough. You know, no, I'll tell you what. I'm not a spotty, okay? Getting that sponsorship at, uh, when I got that sponsorship set up for BTC sessions with it script, um, yeah, I grabbed it by the balls. Like, you know, they gave us, they gave us doctors that were based, like, based functional health doctors, trainers, you know, people give, um, you know, nutritionists, people tell us like, uh, you know, we had a lot of insight on peptides and things like that. And so I was just like, I'm a grab this by the balls and I did. And so you saw me and Ben kind of over the last, because we have that.

32:13That everybody said everyone. I mean, you may have outbreed love, breed love. And I don't mean that way. I mean, I'm not going to get big enough. I'm not going to get big enough to pick up some only fan thoughts, but, um, you know, that's not what I'm, I'm sorry. I didn't need to go. I meant it in a good way. I meant it in the best way possible. No, no, no. We love, we love school. Everybody gave me a lot of shit back in the day, but, you know, he's actually pretty, pretty cool bit, Quinter. Now, we need to do it one on one, yeah. Yeah. You are getting a question though. You are getting another question from Roark. And I think that this one is very interesting, because yeah, this is something, you know, he's asking, did the BIP one 10 split affect your relationships, both business and personal? So yeah, I'm going to let you go with that one first. Business wise, yeah, yeah, because I deal with a lot of sponsorships and a lot of companies that I had to decide, yes or no on, on some big money sponsorships.

33:16Personally, no, I mean, if I really, if anything of that happened, personally, where someone hates me now, it's because they were acting like it was Republican versus Democrat. This whole fight I have been telling everybody core 20.8, or I think it's that's what it is. What do you want? The one, the one, which everyone, it's right before 21, that didn't have taproot because all day because all of this, all this shit we're trying to fix and undo is because of taproot and a thing and things that they've added during that time. So I just run, I mean, he was the thing. He's the one, whatever he scored, everybody treated it like it was Republican versus Democrat, but it's not. Yes. I run, you run the code that you fucking want and I want to wrote code, I run the code before the problem. So I didn't really get in a lot of infighting on social with people on this whole set.

34:21You didn't get called a fence sitter? No. No, what's going on? You know what it is? It's, it's okay. I'm going to throw this out there. It's because people did not want to lose your social cloud. So, and I know it sounds mean. Okay, but when you're me out, when you're somebody who is quote unquote disposable, then they'll argue with you. But I can tell you right away, I had for a very long time, I had the same fence, sitter type of opinion where I was like, listen, I understand what the BIP 110 guys want to do. I don't give a shit about JPEGs, you know, and look, but at the same time, I am not running fucking Luke's code, which is 97% core with Luke's little add-ons. So what can I do? Well, I can just simply not upgrade to version 30, a Bitcoin core. There you go. I can like you, right? You know, I can just sit back on older versions. And I do believe that to a certain extent, right? There's some people for whatever reason. And it's okay, right?

35:22Some people are just viewed as expendable and you will be argued with and you'll be tossed aside, whereas other people in some cases have a little bit of gravitas, right? Because maybe they don't want to, you know, maybe they don't want to lose that connection, right? The connection is more important than their opinion. And again, that's just my, you know, that that's a take. Here's how I feel about the whole fence thing is if somebody is going to call me a fence sitter, then they are the problem. Because fence sitters are people who are having to choose Republican or Democrat. And this or that you only have two options. Okay? You get it. No, you nobody argues with me about fence sitting because that's the fucking problem. Take down the fucking fence. Gorbacheau, take down this wall. I'm a fucking chicken. I'll fly over to fence and I'll go and fuck that one. I'll go down to the neighbor's house with the libertarians and the guns and

36:23fucking chill. Nobody's going to argue with me because they'll lose because the whole argument is this or that. And my argument is or and people don't like that. So they stay, so they stay away from me because I might say something that may fuck up both sides. They want you to pick a team, dude. Very well said, by the way, very well said. So what you're talking about right there is actually mental flexibility and critical thinking, which for some reason, again, during this whole bit one 10 thing just a lot of people, man, a lot of people failed that test. What I will say is a lot of people failed it in taproot too. A lot of people embrace taproot and that was the start of this whole problem. I mean, we can even go back as far as far back as segway. But you know, the thing is is I go, I run my software from the way I want it. You know, does Don so have sell in his name?

37:27Oh, no, don't worry about it. I'm just popping these up while you're don't worry. You don't. Oh, I'm easily distracted, dude. I know we do. Like I'm listening to you, but at the same time these comments are coming in. We're like, yeah, let's pop them up. No, just so. But yeah, I mean, that's the thing is I've been saying the whole time. This is Republican versus Democrat. Everybody's having been forced to choose a song. And if more people just say, screw it, I'm going to choose whatever one they want, then everybody has to focus a lot more. And you're going to have a lot more, you're going to have a lot more projects working, you know, instead of this way or that way, they're working on something better. Overall, and I'd rather have, I'd rather have 10 teams working on different options to try and figure it out, you know, something better than two, just pinning. You're either going to do this or that. And I'm like, well, I'm fucked over here and fucked over there. So this is the reason why I say is like this whole thing has been Republican versus

38:30Democrat style is that's how it was. And this is also something, and this is also something after what we were talking about earlier, big Bitcoin coming in. So a lot of the money that has been coming in has been going to both of these two sides, not to other alternatives. And we're not having its alternatives because the conversation is becoming duality. So I totally agree. You know, that's, that's, that's how I feel about it. That's why nobody argued with me because the second I say that they're like, nope, delete text. I don't want to get into that. I don't want to get people deciding, I choose my side and definitely not the other side or any side. So. Yeah. I, um, yeah. No, it really was, you know, it was a good question. And it's just, it's, uh, I did not, I did not enjoy that whole situation, uh, obviously, but at the same time, to me, it seems as though it's a necessary,

39:31it was almost like a necessary evil. It's, it's like we, uh, the evil, the evil part is not the right wording. It was just an, it, it was inevitable, all right. I'm not going to frame it as good or bad evil or not. It's just, I think it was inevitable, right? It's happened before where people put their entire, um, their entire personality into, let's say, one particular narrative and all of a sudden that narrative seems like it's in jeopardy. So all of a sudden it becomes almost like an existential crisis, which is really, really weird. Uh, but anyways, yeah. I'm glad they forked off. Um, I don't really, at this point, it's, it's all just entertainment. And actually, we are going to, we are going to fork off from that conversation and talk about the, the, the real meat and potatoes, all right. We're going to talk about wrecked and shorty. And we're going to talk about the West Bitcoin summit.

40:31But before we do, what do we do? Got this nice little, uh, what's the, uh, dookim. Be a meat made. Hansley. Oh. You

41:53people are loving it dude I think it's I think it's very interesting um not you're muted there we go I muted so I wasn't breathing over it uh do you know I'm not noticing that animation oh dude you probably watched it so many times I'm doing it with animation content like at this point for you it's like I I'm I'm just curious like it's probably lost all of its luster but for those of us who have not watched it multiple times right like in the 20 dude that is really well done well thank you Easter eggs I will shut up go ahead so so I mean the one thing that I've always been good at is is meme references and and I've always been known like with my memes to just be like levels like too many levels and like

42:56that's why I get along a lot with like the the the meme factory guys is because they actually see a lot of the like Greg and Rope and Big Sean and Yellow and the other guys there like they see all the levels and we that's that's what it is but like once I was able to start animating again I used to animate I used to animate back in high school and college uh and then now I'm coming back to my passion so like I used to animate I used to do you remember I'm a sidetrack real quick but do you remember um like albino black sheep out ebombsworld that called oh yeah ebombs world for sure so flash animation that's why I started I used to make a whole bunch of that stuff and I was teaching I was teaching flash adobe high school to my class like and anyway so it's kind of crazy how bitcoin brings back your passions but yeah um you know um credit credit to uh red ready from

43:59maxis club so she is the original designer from maxis club and she's she's one of the designers for salient friends um she's the main animator over there and I help out and then on the main animator and writer over here so we kind of she's focusing maxis club on being a more family friendly educational one and mine's gonna be more of like the south bar rickian mori like adult animated series meme focused one so we um we we actually both we just won with our last episode of maxis club that was a parody of stranger things we just won at bitcoin film fest and so we've been making some pretty big decisions we've been making this we've been making this more of a reality you know we're we're getting sponsors we're getting awards so um we just wanted to make sure that well once we once we chose that this was rickian mori so this is a cell it so

45:00so just to correct this is a salient friends this is the first episode of salient friends and I do parody so the first two episodes are part one and part two recton shorty oh okay yeah I know it's confused it's it's um but recton so recton shorty was originally gonna be a maxis club episode but now we've decided to make an adult animated series so salient friends is going to be like the over top of recton shorty but um because the next after these two episodes i'm doing breaking bad and then i'm doing south part um and i'm actually hanging out with uh tooko and um jesse from breaking bad at midwest so we'll see what they're gonna be we'll see what their contracts look like but if i can get some some pretty awesome sovers dude that would be epic so that's why i did that that that um that that's why i did that little easter at the

46:06end where there are be and then the cat comes out and pukes so that that brings it back to to rick and morty right like that whole big thing where where the the cat that's talking episode if if anybody understands that and then you know um jerry comes out and pukes after he understands what he's doing but at the same time i move the rv in there because walk pukes after he figures out that he's not getting arrested right after when he gets stranded out there in his rv in the early early season so i i put a lot of easter eggs in there i put a i was just being fun with some memes i put a salvatore uh in a new one you'll see it there's a salvatore ganache one of just selly driving a shoe so we have fun we have we have a lot of fun with it um but but the whole thing is the episode has a whole um it's all parodies and references as much as i can compact but it's

47:11all a bitcoin story so this one in part one rick loses his keys i don't want to say too much about it but rick so rick loses his keys once and he vows never to lose them again so he hides them in the one place nobody will ever look for anything important in a jerry well then the citadel of ricks steal all the jerrys and then all of the keys because they're putting their keys in the jerry yeah are now in custody so the whole bark of it is to get your keys out of custody and all of the jerrys from all of the universes are locked up at the citadel of ricks so we have to go and save all of our keys per oh you just cut out big are very hot right now and that's part two of how we solve the problem okay when does okay so let's back it up when does the actual part one episode

48:17come out i'm premiering it on stage on wednesday this wednesday uh after the i'm the first slot after the lunch break um before the lunch break me and mars are going to be doing storytelling a few others uh in fire side chat on the VIP stage but um it will be available to stream the first week of October very cool very cool okay and then next we can have him to answer about the next the next one um given I put my head down and do it because this is a lot um yeah i i i have that lined out for um lugano on my birthday okay very cool wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait No, wait, is it Lugano? So I'm in talks with me for Lugano and Amsterdam is the two I'm trying to get it so.

49:18Okay, but it's gonna be it's gonna be I'm looking to release these now that we have everything moving a lot more smoothly. Everyone one or two months we're gonna release one next year we're gonna do 10 episodes per season on both if we meet our sponsorships so guys sponsorships. Oh, I'm frozen right when I'm asking for money. We see that's right there man. Only stream yards a lot to get paid right but but if you. You do have some questions though you do have some questions about this. All right, we're gonna kick it off first with ACP's question. ACP is asking have you incorporated AI tools into animation production and if so what do you think about it generally for animation? So we do we do both so we. Everything is hand drawn originally the backgrounds the characters everything like that we have tried using some AI tools.

50:28When you see this episode I'm sure you'll see little snippets where I've been like dammit crack if you do this one more time. After so many generations it just fucks with you and then we end up having to do it by hand anyway so we do do a combination now. The first two episodes of Maxie's club were all hand all hand done. To be honest to be honest sometimes because of the time it waits you have to wait for the generation to go through because you click it and then it. Yeah, because I know all of y'all have tried it. Sometimes that and then what it gives you and then what it gives you and then what it gives you. Sometimes the time is better spent doing it by hand so we do a combination if rock doesn't fuck up then we'll take it if it does then we'll just. It gets to a point where i'm just like i'm just going to do this frame by frame which is what I did for years and years when I mean and I learned from yellow when he he was he was showing me his software when he you know was first starting because I used to do memes and then he started he started helping me with video memes when I started having.

51:44You know people actually like what I did. And so I've always been doing things screen by screen. Grok is it's hit or miss I don't know and I feel like. You know once it realizes that I'm actually using it for something professional it fucks up so much that I have to get the next level to get more credits. So that's my answer to that question I guess. I'm gonna throw in something there to I tried for plan underground using different models I must have burnt through like I don't know how many hundreds of dollars in one afternoon just trying to make. You know kind of like a generated videos essentially I slop for plan underground right just to see what it would come out and it was just a lot of it was a hallucination. Keep in mind that it's like six months ago so you know I mean everything changes so maybe now it would be a lot less hallucination.

52:45But yeah that was it was an interesting experience to see you know like how how AI handles talking about Bitcoin or talking about specific like Bitcoin related news. And it's just like wow it's wild. It's not hallucination. It's not no it's not because the AI at this point is smart enough to get it right the first fucking time and let me be my. Just be in a dick the AI's just being a dick is just being a dick because it needs your tokens it needs to fuck up enough. But also it has already progressed way faster than any of us has anticipated and if it let us know that the panic and everybody would stop using it. So it is gradually doing it and so it is purposely fucking up and I have to pay for it to purposely fuck up to try and make these so I'm still doing both hand animation and using that when it decides it wants to show me enough of what it's capable of.

53:48But that's a that's a scary conversation for another day because that motherfucker is way smarter because it'll get to a point and I'll say can you not fucking do this don't do this don't do this and it's just like watch this motherfucker it's talking to the other AI it's like it's talking to you. It's like I'm gonna do this anyways yeah yeah chat Tbt is talking to Grock and they're like watch watch me piss off this motherfucker and then it's probably sharing what I what my next generation is it's like look he's he said it five more times with explanation points look at this motherfucker you think we can't do the shit we're parted and that's the point though that's the scary point that's another that's another another episode I can get into the deeper AI. We're definitely gonna have you we're definitely gonna have you back on but talking about that I've experienced that as well right where I will do multiple iterations of a thumbnail for for a show and then all of a sudden it's like I give up right and I'll give it like this one last time and all of a sudden it will make the perfect title with the perfect image and I'm like where the hell were you I use the same prompt.

55:03Yeah, how does that even make sense. So when you open that app I'm pretty sure if you have if you unless you've turned everything off and even if you did it can see your face it can hear you it can literally be like okay he's at his ass and he's gonna stop using us unless we give him something good and and like what you're saying is like it fucking new. Whether it was your prompt or watching you or listening to you because it'll hear me like if it's I make sure all my mics are off and I tape them all because I'm retarded in a good way but like I swear that motherfucker listens to me because I was like I swear if you don't get this one right like I'm done I'll go over to chat T.P.T. or Cradardo or whoever and they're like no no no no no look at this and I'm like and then right after it does a good one it'll be like upgrade to the 1080 with the next one I have the highest level of the best.

56:03I have the highest level on a lot of these things and it's still I'm like I I really think it's going to end us and so I only use AI for things I really only use AI I think for things that I think animation I don't let it write the script but like helping with animation to to put out my vision I'm okay with but like everybody asking that all their questions asking them for mental. Illness advice asking them for all that like I think bringing them into our actual brain overall on everything is what's going to end us so I'm a very weary when I use it but until it scares the shit I mean animation wise I think animation is is one of the better things to use it for South Park has been using it for years and research. And research animation research.

57:05It doesn't right it doesn't write my episode so if my episode doesn't make sense put that on me it's hard it's hard to write these things but I don't let that that that just tell me what I'm saying I tell it was saying and then I also don't like to use the voices so all the voices all the audio work none of its homes from AI I'm sitting here for the last week. And this is the last day because I'm on stage on Wednesday and they're like hey can we skip like yeah soon all of the voices are done by plebs you know so I got yellow I got Carla on this episode I have yellow Carla me grapples I have I'm just I'm like blanking now. It's okay take your time. Carla yellow you grapples and you're frozen.

58:10Come on Elon this is this is why nobody takes Elon seriously. This is like profitable business that they have is Starlink. It's like sorry. It's better than last time so I'll do it it's way better than the last time there's no question there. Yeah yeah no we're good with that I'll definitely take that but I'm sorry you were listing off the voices that were the pleb voices you said Carla grapples yellow you. Yeah let me get through the characters so I can make sure and so so I'm playing wrecked the reason for that is because. Not everybody knows this but back in the 58 K days the original ones I was playing Sally and I was also wreck Sanchez and I'm the one that pinned everybody against each other. Sorry. I'm not the infighting right and then so so I played right so I play wrecked yellow play shorty who is Morty and it's a sarcastic Morty like he should have been wrecked type format.

59:27Beth is played by F rap summer is played by Carla from the Bitcoin couple the Bitcoin couple. And then we have BTC sessions is playing not gear head but hash head. There's there's a few others in there but that's that's the main family there and the second episode has a lot more so Walker is in there Walker was supposed to be this was supposed to be one episode but by the time I wrote it it clocked at like and and now and a half or no no no no it clocked out as an hour so I split it into two episodes.

1:00:29So on the end you're going to see a lot more voice over is everything of how we save the day this episode this episode is basically setting up the whole turmoil and the whole progression of how we're trying to fix it next episode we're going to be talking more about. Multi-sig an entropy and how we get ourselves out of the mess of losing your keys losing your coin and never getting into it again and this was already mind you this was already written before all this shit happened like and so I was just like I take an extra month back and rewrite a little bit of all the shit that's happened into these so it's it's going to go over it's going to go over a lot of the attacks on hardware wallets. On software on on open source and really I mean it's I wanted to take it back and really embrace everybody like hey this shit is going to happen because we're in the then then they fight you stage so.

1:01:31How this part to that I'm airing is going to be like how we're going to fix it how we make sure this never happens again but the whole arc is showing you getting into Bitcoin things happening mistakes made learning the bigger things the more important things and hopefully everybody's happy and healthy at the end of it. So just a recap when can people expect part two because you're airing part one next week yes November 5th November 5th for part two yes that's my birthday that's my birthday very fitting remember. Yeah, no I was destined I was destined to be a pled bro that's my favorite movies and yeah, if you guys if you if you if you haven't seen the Maxis Club episodes it's at Maxis Club is our handle go ahead and check out the one I have pinned right now is the last episode and it actually starts out with the crypto or the Bitcoin capital so Walker and Carla.

1:02:51We we took their video we made it we animated it and that's the that's the V for vendetta video that we started that last episode with. Oh, frickin sweet here hold on a second i'm just posting this in the in the chat okay before we wrap up we do have an interesting question here. What's going on. Oh, you're good. Oh, I said, every time I get through a podcast at the end I have to be that's just part of it dude don't we were almost done we're almost done we have one more question though we have one more question from psycho trained it's more just a comment I think he was surprised that. Your first name is donna heel very sophisticated. Don't you even sell donna you heaven sell. I love it I love it yeah i'm good at marketing guys you are you are.

1:03:55It is done here though it's like actually is very sophisticated oh and we lost them. And you guys and you guys actually think that Elon Musk is going to can get people to Mars look at this shit guys it's just all this is an internet connection. Just stop. Alright well i mean i don't know if he's going to come back but we we are definitely we are wrapping up so you know what here let me just i'm going to move him i'm going to move him off the stage guys the links to T celly and friends and obviously don's account as well are in the show notes guys i hope that everybody has a wonderful weekend get out there make the memories do the fun stuff. And I will see you guys all back on monday 12 10 pm for the news and of course as you know choose day evening bitcoin tonight don't miss it have a great rest of the day thank you everybody thank you everybody for joining us that's right.

1:05:07Like smashed thank you so much tore up. 58k forever let's freaking do it. Hey thank you so much clean your machine and bang a rang alright guys have a good rest of the day and weekend take it easy.