Dragnet - Big Children

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3:14with the Los Angeles Police Department, you will travel step by step on the side of the law through an actual case transcribed from official police files. From beginning to end, from crime to punishment, dragnet is the story of your police force in action. It was Tuesday, April 27th. It was overcast in Los Angeles. We were working the day watch out of juvenile bureau. My partner's Ben Romero, the boss is Captain Kinsling. My name's Friday. I was on the way back in communications. It was 4.38 pm when I got to 13.35 George's Tree. Second floor. Room 14. Room 14. Hi, Jill. Been waiting for you. I was just checking the back of the door. I just got here. What's this thing all about? Well, just what I told you on the floor. I'm a seven-year-old boy and a sister covering the neighborhood, begging the food. You ready to go? Yeah, let me put this away for... Kids are supposed to be from a wealthy family, huh? Well, wealthy enough to live in the best part of the Belaire, you know. It doesn't make much sense. It must be some kind of a gag, you know? No,

4:16not according to the neighbor who called in. Yeah? She says the kids are half-starred. Ben and I got in the car and drove out Sunset Boulevard to the Belaire district. We pulled up in front of a large two-story home near the corner of Brookline Avenue and night's bridge drive. Was a white frame colonial mansion set back in the middle of well-landscape lawns and gardens. The other homes in the neighborhood were just as large. $50,000 enough. Was the last place in the city that you'd expect to find neighborhood children begging food? 5.20 pm. The one around of the rear entrance of the colonial mansion as we've been instructed on the phone, we located the woman who'd called in the complaint from Miss Jeanette Bayja. She was employed as laundress and cook by the owners of the house. She was busy fixing dinner. They're from next door officer, the children. As I spend on the phone, a boy about seven years, a girl of five years old I guess. Which side did they live on Miss Bayja? On the house on the

5:19corner? No, the other side. Up here, the brown and white house, just up the street next door. And where the children are now? Do you know that? No, but they were here this afternoon again. Here's the back door asking for something to eat. I don't understand if something must be wrong. Well, they'd been around off in this Bayja. Two or three days, maybe four days. First I thought they were fooling, but they were not. I gave them some cookies, sacrifices. They were very hungry. They ate them like they were starving. The little girl saved her cookies. She gave them with her. How about their parents, are they home? Excuse me, the staff. Yeah, that's there. No, I haven't seen the mother the last few days. I understand they are divorced. The mother, she's able to tell the children. The father, I don't know. What's their name, do you know? Kessler. Madam, as a woman I work for, she says there are three children in the Kessler family. But I don't know. I've only seen the two, the boy and the girl. I would go over and see what is wrong,

6:22but I don't know the Kessler. It is not my place. It's why I called you off, sir. All right, Miss Bayja. Well, thank you very much. Not at all, officer. You understand? I don't mind giving the children food. Well, I think only something is wrong. They do it at home. Thank you very much for notifying us. We're going to check into it. Well, just a little curious, Miss Bayja. What's that you make? This? Napoleon. How's that? Napoleon. You know. Napoleon. Fish drink. Oh, oh yeah. Fish milk, good. Well, thanks again. I'm certainly officer. If there is anything I can do, you will let me know. Yes, ma'am. We will. Good-bye. Good-bye. Thank you very much. I think the beautiful place. Yeah. Those were these women make pretty good cooks, don't they? I don't know. She sounded French to me. Huh? Maybe so. Most good at cooking anyhow. Yeah, it's rather the White House next door. That must be it, huh?

7:23That name, Kessler. They fairly prominent around town, Society. I don't know. It's quite a few of them. Good big. Anyway, you look at it and it's hard to figure it out. It's been out for four days. It's on the level. They really must be in a bind. The garage door is open back there. No sign of a car. Hmm. It's my cycle, though. Try to front door. Hmm. You should be trying again. Yeah. Yes, sir? Hello, son. My name's Kessler. All right? Yes, I'm Richard. My mother's not home right now. Maybe we can come back tomorrow. Well, police officers, Richard. If you're not busy, we'd like to talk to you for a minute. All right? Well, yes, sir. That'd be all right. Would you come in, please? Thank you. Richard Kessler was a blonde-haired, wary boy, polite, well-managed. He told us he was eight years old and he attended the neighbor of a grandma's school.

8:27He showed us back to the kitchen where he was warming a can of soup that he borrowed from the neighbor. With a large house richly furnished, but it hadn't been cleaned for weeks. Dust was piled up to pick on the furniture and children's books and toys were scattered around the rooms along with scraps of dried bread. Happy. The house was cold and musty. On a small bar in the dining room, there were three half-filled cocktail glasses. Quite full of cigarette butts. Have it only they've been standing here for days. On the sink in the kitchen, there were a few pieces of stale bread and an open bottle of milk that had turned sourced. Next day, it were a half-a-dovementy whiskey bottle. The Kessler boy was well dressed except for the shirt that he had on. We'll see if he's been wearing it for a week. What did you want to talk to me about, Osset? I haven't done anything wrong. Oh, we know that. And we just like to find out how you've been getting along. I've been getting along all right to raise before these on my port card last night. What's your sister-deck? Judy, she's down the street. She'll be back in a minute. How about your mother? First thing? She's out to you. She'll be back.

9:27When you expect her, huh? Pretty soon. She's coming back pretty soon. Your sister Judy. She's younger than you are, isn't she, Deck? Yes. Judy's in your six. I made her. Any other grown-ups lived here with you beside your mother? No. Mom takes care of us. She'll be back pretty soon. We'd like to have each other's to choose now, Deck. How long she been going? I don't know. Probably important. She's been here a long time. She can come back tomorrow. She'll probably be here then. When was the last time you saw her, you know? Son, how about then? A couple of days ago. There's a Tuesday. You mean she left the house, Sonny? No. Before that. Last Friday night she went out. Said she'd be back. I don't know. Is your mother saying where she was going, Deck? No. Her voice, then, you see. I don't know the last name. Mom, without her family, is it party? I think. I don't know where. She'll be back all right. Did you leave anyone to take care of? No. We can take care of ourselves. Nobody's fixing the cooking room.

10:28I don't know how yet. I better look at the soup on the stove. No, take care of it, Sonny. Go ahead. Sit down. And your mother ever left you like this before, son? No. I really want the choice. She never stayed away this long. I don't know. What's the matter, Deck? Well, Johnny Austin, Sonny's brother. He's been eating much for a while. He's the hungry by now. He's fixing the soup for him. Where's Johnny? He's upstairs in the nursery. He's in sick as a bad cold. My new Johnny was sick. That's why I wondered. He hasn't come back yet. Out that Johnny's feeling good. You want to take steps for him, son? Yeah, I like him. Ben, you want to come out here? Yeah, I want to. How long has Johnny had this cold, Deck? A couple of days before Friday. So long, man. How old is it? Johnny just a little kid. He'll be two years old, he's just a lot of. And one day the body cost a lot of food.

11:30And given him milk and cookie, he said, Judy, in my head. I don't know. Has a doctor been to see Johnny? No, I thought I'd call him. I didn't know the doctor's name. I was waiting till my mom got home. I had this journey from here. And I need a crib after that. That's my brother, Johnny. What are you calling here? You know, having a look. Hey, young fella. Hi, Johnny. You hungry now? Yeah. My brother is I. Yeah, I want to get to a phone doctor and have him tell him to hurry by. Cool. What's the matter, officer? What about Johnny's I? He can be all right, Deck. Then I can offer quiet, but why do you move around at all? Most of the time he's jumping up and down. He's crib like anything. Has anyone at all been in Yiddish and since Friday? Yes, yeah, my 50s, Judy and I. He changed his diapers and getting something to eat. I think. So, I wish mom would get home. I got to talk to her.

12:30Yeah, so would I. 5.48 pm. We put in the call to the office for a police woman. Then we got in touch with Lieutenant Lee Jones, the crime lab and he set out a man to photograph the condition of the Casper at home and the children. The doctor and the ambulance arrived and little Johnny Casler was taken to the General Hospital in critical condition. The 22 month old boy was in a coma. Richard Casler and his sister, Judy, were taken to Georgia Street, juvenile bureau. And then transferred to juvenile hall and placed under protective custody section 700 sub-B. Well-fanned institution code. But two of them were given a bath and something to eat. Judy Casler was interrogated separately by a police woman. Then a night, he talked to the boy Richard. After a few minutes, he broke down and he admitted that his mother had gone off and left the three children alone on at least a half a dozen occasions. He told us his parents were divorced. He rarely saw his father. But his mother had had two or three boy pens at the house during the past year. He also told us his mother drank quite a bit. But you've never been gone this long before, Sergeant?

13:31Did he choose out somewhere and has no way to get home? We'll find her alright son. I'm not too worried about this boy friend of your mother's dick. His first name was Larry. Is that all you can tell us? Yes, I don't know what that means. Are you going to keep it to her all night, Judy? Yes, for a day or so. That'll take good care of you, son. What did you take Judy? I'll see you just next door. If you can see her in just a minute now. And how about Johnny? I always take care of him. Please, fluffy, non-stanger. Well, they've got him over to hospital, they're going to take good care of him now. He can count on that. I don't know, Officer. I've got a hearing. He might get also fluffy. Alright, fix that up for you. Do you have any relatives in Los Angeles, son, and uncles, anyone like that? No, just my father, but I don't know where he lives. Well, he had a nurse who used to take care of us. Mrs. Macintosh, she was squirrel. My mom fired you. Oh, how about that, have you, you know? No, not quite sure. Maybe my mom was thinking, is Macintosh got mad at her? Is it exciting, mom fired her?

14:32Well, this Mrs. Macintosh, you know where we can find him? No, I don't. How about some of the other boyfriends that you mother had there? Do you remember any of their names? No, when I was George Duncan, I don't remember the other ones. Yo, are you mad? Yeah, man. You want to stay with the boy, how they? Yeah. Hospital calls allow this thing. What's that? He can't play ball or little Johnny. Yeah, he just died. John Albert's Tesla, white male American, age 22 months. All the pertinent facts and data would be listed on the crime report. And if the women case was closed, the report would be filed away. Wouldn't be any difference from a thousand other dead body reports, same size, same color, same number up in the left-hand corner. And of course, the 10 or 20 years on the job of police officers, he's a lot of them. What's up, me for yet? You haven't even ever forget.

15:33The next morning, the body was posted to the county more. It was found that the youngsters had been suffering from malnutrition, but the cause of death was listed as a basal skull fracture. Homicide detail would notify. The search for the mother, Mrs. Jean Kev. This week at Vons and Albertson's, USDA Choice Tri-Tip Rose untrimmed our 599 per pound. Limit 4 Rose with membership were applicable. And medium ripe Hassovacados are 99 cents each. And with membership were applicable. Plus Kellogg Syrials 8.8 to 16.1 ounces, selected varieties, or Pepperidge Farm Goldfish 5.9 to 8 ounces are 199 each when you buy three. Limit 3 offers with membership were applicable. Visit Vons or Albertson's.com for more deals and ways to save. 30 April 29th. How about the youngsters' brother and sister Ben? Do you think it could happen that way?

16:34Not even. We were taking care of the little fella. They might have had an accident with him. They were afraid of him. I don't think so, Jill. That's not very likely, Mack. We talked to him quite a bit last night. A couple of pretty honest kids. Pretty sure they wouldn't lie about something like that. Where does that leave it to mother? Good luck with the benefit. He normally just gets a drink quite a bit. You know, Friday. Yeah, Bird. Where's that? Right there. Yeah? Woman answering this test was a 50-second of the hotel down on South Hope last night. Jill registered. But he checked out earlier this morning. He found a woman's sport coat in the room. What about it? Bloodstained on it. You are listening to Drag-Knit, called a Step-by-Step Solution to Tonight's Authentic Case History. Here, Step-by-Step, are the actual reasons why Fatima is the quality king sized cigarette. Why in Fatima, the difference is quality, quality of tobacco.

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18:34the quality, king-size cigarette. Best of all, long cigarette. Friday, April 30th, we were still without a lead at the Barabbas with a missing mother and Mr. Jean Ketler. The blood-sing coat which had been found in the South Hope Street Hotel was shown to Mrs. Ketler's friends and two her children, Richard and Judy. They identified as his belongings of a missing woman. Routine investigation of the hotel room failed to uncover any further lead. We got out of supplementary APV and then we started rechecking with the Ketler woman's friends and acquaintances. Nothing. We rechecked a dozen taverns and cocktail lounges as if she'd been known to frequent. No sign of her, no sign of her boyfriend. In rechecking your personal effects, we found a Ketler check, payable to their former nurse, Mrs. McIntyre. The endorsement carried her object. We checked it out. She'd moved. We traced it as a forwarding address.

19:34There we were told that she had a new job as a nurse made with a wealthy family living in the Los Felicis. We called there and talked to Mrs. McIntyre. She told us that she was just leaving the house with the three childrens who were now outing at the park in the zoo. We made arrangements to meet with her out there, 130 p.m. Ben and I, Loki Aduris, ahead of the path, leading through the main part of the Griffith Park Zoo. I read about it in the paper side of the balcony. I didn't know you wanted to talk to me. I would have called him if I did. We're still trying to locate the mother Mrs. McIntyre. Can you help us out there, though? I don't know if you asked if those places used to go through all the time, which used to be. Yes, ma'am, we have. They couldn't help us. Did you know any of this Ketler's boyfriends or ones that had come to the house? Yes, I knew all of them. Donald, don't you wander off now. Same for you, Patty. Stay close. The boy Richard was telling us about one of the boyfriends, ma'am. Someone there will worry. Oh, yes. Donald, you read what I said. Stay close. Yes, I knew Larry. You remember what his last name was, ma'am?

20:34Yes, Bartel. I'm kind of an actor in the movies, I say. I mean, I'd like to tell you in a way, ma'am. No, I think he had an apartment in Hollywood. I wouldn't knew the address. What kind of a man was this Bartel? I mean, he's a cat from a different place. I think he was kind of lazy. I think Mr. Ketler was giving me money. Did the two of them ever argue or have any fights? All the time, you had a terrible temper. You ever striking a temper? Yes, I'm sorry to have him several times. Not too close to the cage, Donald. Back a little. How did this boy tell that boy to kill him, ma'am? That's different, I guess. And no it isn't, sometimes. Well, that was after that you had the argument with Ms. Cetler. Yes, it was about a drinking and a boy's meeting all the rest. I just got sick of it, and I told her what I thought. He didn't want her to make sure he was getting old. Not sharing for the children, but in his years, still in his 20s. Well, do you have any idea where my little piece of fire?

21:36Well, they divorced, you know. They had salesmen for a lumbering, and turned downtown. He inherited most of his money. I have the name of the company at home, and you can have it if you like. Yes, ma'am, I'd appreciate that. Not the children, I feel sorry for him. Yes, ma'am. Three beautiful children. And at poor little Johnny, I just can't understand. What's that? How could anyone deserve the help of a baby like that? Well, I asked his mother. Friday 5 p.m., Mrs. McIntosh called us at the office and gave us a business address with a missing woman's ex-husband, Richard Wayne Tessler. We called there, but they told us Tessler were the way on a week's late station. They had no idea where to contact him, but he was expected back in a few days. We called central casting and asked them to check their talent list. We were a best player, but the name was Larry Bartsel. They had no such name with it. Saturday 8 a.m., the Tessler children, Richard and you, you would even need them to cover the deal with the authorities. The search for their mother continues.

22:36All day Saturday, then I ran down what few leads we had. They went nowhere. Textures are more in the city hospitals, and the drugs tank at the main jail. Still failed to turn up the missing woman. We checked against the different drinks and places to use the pack of nights. No one had seen it. 5.30 p.m., we were back to the office. Not a Marley today. There's no much to show for it. Not going to be much fun for those kids, the kids are sunnets. All right, we need first Sunday and May. First Monday day. Oh, yeah. Hi, Matt. Hi. Got a piece of news for you. Yes, a catcher woman's boyfriend, Larry Bartsel. What about him? He's in a locator. When he's seen his name mentioned the previous night in the newspaper story concerning the case, Larry Bartsel had contacted the office to let us know that he didn't consider himself a fugitive. The main set was his story. He called us a few minutes before we got back to the office. He left word that it could be found at a wheelchair address all day Sunday.

23:37In the meantime, he'd be at the spotlight club. The clubs with theatrical people located in West Hollywood. 6.25 p.m., then and I located him at the club back in the billionth zone. It was called Arcade just extensively. I saw the cop in X-Float, and you went to West Contact me, and you were like, it was important. Matt Little's casted a boy's dead boy tell me he think gets pretty important. I didn't know anything about that. You didn't have to interrupt me. That's an important man I was playing with. Now, what do you want to know? Where's this casted? I want to ask you, I don't know. You're a pretty good fella. You were the last person to release. I was a week ago. I went to a party last Friday night. I haven't seen him since the following Monday. Yeah, last Monday. I'm through with him anyway. What was the room? I just got sick of it. That's your own paw and all over me asking you the merry one. That's sick of it wasn't worth it. You accepted money for it? Yes, the time you overshade plenty of it. Why not? What'd you last see? I was keeping the horses down there with my kids. I get around the club. There's a hotel down time on South Park. I can get a drink. Were you another hotel with this casted for last week? Yeah, yeah. I'm South Hope Brown, nice to meet you.

24:37Oh, that's where you're from. A cool time. You've got to make some making for that. Buds thing? Sure. So, right through then, you try to hit me the bar. Got it, sir? Well, I tell you, this wasn't worth the attention. I get you to go through it every day, you tell me. At least I can prove it. True. And what about the little boy? How did that happen? I didn't have anything to do with it. Wasn't my boy? Well, how did that happen? That's Friday night just full of time. You'll let him out downstairs. I don't know if you drink. She put the little kid to bed. He didn't stay there. He just getting up out of bed and running around and stay as crying. Yeah, I can watch. I actually find it to get him with his bank and through him back in bed. I think he hit his head on the course of the quiz. What did you do suddenly about it? Well, I told her that she said it was not hidden there. Got a coach? What's that song? Kids are all riding with us. You know, the time you and Mrs. Kessler went out, she knew those children were being left all alone in the house. No, what about a cheese? The mother and I are babies. I look like I gotta get back. I get that game waiting. I'm going to go to the middle. It's going to wait a little longer. Come on.

25:38Well, we barced out. We've taken down town and helped the questioning on suspicion of 702 WIC, contributing to negligence of minor. The agency had just the hotel raid last year, Mrs. Kessler. That and I checked it out. There was a typical cheat down town hotel with a bar opening off the lobby. The desk clerk told us a woman answering Mrs. Kessler's description was registered in the room on the second floor. They had an old-facin' player here on going full volume in the bar. The sound followed us up the stairs. The cannon cheer for a must-like music. Yes. Back to Paris, at 15. Yeah. Everybody try it. Yeah. And let's have a look. What was that? A weapon? A weapon? Yes. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. What was that? Where's it? Your list is Dean Kessler.

26:38What is it? Why? Police officers like Taukies. I haven't done anything. But he wants me. Wanna talk to him? Like your children needs Kessler? If I didn't do anything, Donny would accept that call. I didn't do anything. That's not what Blatdale said. Mal and everything. Did you come in back to me? You better get up lady. Get your coat. I gotta out of my way tonight. Yes, I am. Everything to me. I love him as you come inside. You've been going over a week, aren't you a little worried about your children? I know, all right. I'm the youngest in my life on children. I need Larry where is he? He's the final code, really. Yeah, all right. I've been drinking milk since I thought terrible. Yeah. I need Larry so bad. You're young like me. I love him. I gave him more than I love. He had never been a sister. Yeah, he gave him too much.

27:39Right? He didn't have me left for your kid. The story you'll just heard was cruel. I mean, the names were changed to protect the elephant. On July 2nd, trial was held in Superior Court, Department 87, study in County of Los Angeles, state of California. In a moment of results of that trial. Now, here is our star Jack Webb. Thanks, sir. Friends, if you're with us a week to week, you've heard me say, in Fatima, the difference is quality. It's a difference if you can prove just by buying a pack and smoking them. You'll find Fatima's extra miles with a rich, better flavor and aroma. Stop in at the store in the corner and buy a pack of Fatima's a first chance to get. You'll find in Fatima's the difference is quality. Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to take a moment to thank all of you for your very final response to our program, Dragon. Since the first show went on the air about a year and a half ago, your cards and letters have been a constant source of encouragement from Dragon.

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