Everything you need to know from the Transfer Window

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1:01I have full trust in our director of football, he says. Yes, you may as well, ponder upon that one. At Joseph O'Sullivan of course football writers with us as well. And I'm pleased to say that he's not so much on the away team as, you know, this is a friend of yours, you know, Joseph, there's lots of talk about you yourself, a football journalist and video creator with a niche for Italy where not much of the transfer of windows been focused on. We'll come to that in a moment for the benefit of everybody listening and watching. You can find Joseph's work at destination Calcio and South America in generally when you're talking about South America football in general. He's a writer for Forbes and you can check out his travels at football travel men on Instagram or YouTube. If you're not done, please do subscribe. He makes all the difference in televory else, you know, about it. So gentlemen, transfer window closes on Tuesday night at 11 o'clock UK time.

2:04And it's not the same across Europe, of course, so different transfer windows there. And that may have affected some of the last minute purchases or lack of purchases. We'll see what you think. Joseph, first of all, what have you made of the mad, madly expensive transfer window this summer? Mod and expensive sums it up, don't and I went to bed before the deadline and woke up and checked the socials and the thing that stuck out to me that morning was that not as much mad business happened in the final hours, maybe as I would have expected, maybe apart from Everdon, letting Beto go and the Balagun transfer falling through that was probably the most significant deadline day, a deal or lack of a deal. And body in general, especially within the Premier League, and I will come on to it the money that has been spent this summer and the magnitude of some of the transfers from

3:04what we consider big club or top six club to other top six club. And personally, for me, even though we absolutely love talking about football, has my head absolutely spinning down. It's been just madness, the money and the movement. Yeah, the most expensive signing said was, you know, last minute as well for Enzo Fernandez going to Manchester City for 125 million or whatever it was. That was, if you like, the headline signing, but it wasn't perhaps the most celebrated or excitable signing was it. It was almost as for me, something of an anti-climates because we'd be talking about it all summer long and at the end, oh, right, is that what all the fuss was about? Yeah, I agree. And sometimes you forget now these days that there's so many people involved in football clubs, there's so many people involved in transfers. And obviously that was the least surprising transfer right at the death. And you just wonder like of all these people that get in pain and awful lot of money

4:04working higher up in football clubs and things like this, we still end up with like the biggest transfer happening literally with hours to spare, which everyone probably could have predicted, I think, and there were various shenanigans going on back and forth. But yeah, it's, every time I think it's like going to calm down a little bit and get a bit less hectic and a bit more sensible, should we say? You know, because obviously some of the fees and money that we've been talking about has become a noply money almost. And every time you think it's going to get to that stage, football just has a lot of this unbelievable ability to just keep cracking on despite everything else. And but one thing I know of caution, which again, I was a great piece by Miguel Delaney actually about how a lot of these transfers are being used or they're being financed by a lot of credit. And there's maybe the bubble is going to burst at some point soon or start to things are going to start to bite. But it just whenever you think it's going to finish and whenever you think it's going

5:05to stop. And again, not just the money involved, the column inches, the tweets, the socials, the videos, the news reports, it's just, it's relentless and it almost feels like a relief that it has actually slammed shut as they would say. Yeah, Joseph, it won't be the first time I've mentioned this by the way, the Brazilian shut name podcast. I hope I've got all the dates right and everything. But I remember Alan Shere when he was signing a new castle for 30 million, I think it was a meeting or really just completely dismissing the previous highest transfer in the English game with I think real Ferdinand from Lee's to Manchester Night, it was about 18 million as I remember. But anyway, if I've got the figures wrong, forgive me. But Alan Shere then, back then, 20 years ago, whatever it was, he goes, well, this is the case to be the highest point for football ever. There'll never be more money in football than there is now. I thought, are you having a laugh?

6:06For Seb's theory to be realised, do we, the punters, the football lovers not have to pay a price, are he saying, look, we're flipping fed up and I am actually, because I had to pay some some description just the other day for my older brother. I was just thinking, watch a little bit more football, come on now and it was so expensive I was like, it's taking a minute. Does it not need us, the punters? And there's no indication as far as I can see that we have been satiated that we're full. Yeah, I mean, quite literally the burden of the club budgets has fallen on the punters and on the match goers because it's not coming out of a brand which is pocket anymore or whoever else, you know, every penny that they spend has to be in the book somewhere that they made it and that's why apart from Brentford actually which Seb might have a word on who did a very cool thing with that two year short release. You can tell us that on a doubt in a minute but it's just two, three, four kits per club

7:11per year, less season ticket holders, more VIP boxes and this is all actually very relevant. It may sign to people that it's not relevant, it's completely relevant, it's what's keeping this transfer machine, keeping it tick over. So yeah, we are a part of the issue in a way, doesn't it? It's maybe gone past the point of rebelling our revolution, the game is how it is now. It's a trick you want to contemplate. I'm more excited by the post transfer window scenes as opposed to the circuits of self knife, for example, spur squad high on earth under deserving, is that going to go that's like that needs to be a documentary, that's going to be absolutely fascinating to be honest. I don't know if you'll be around in two months time. But yeah, I think the Enzo circus, I didn't even mention it as a deadline day deal because like you said, it was a foregone conclusion come the end.

8:15That's another one that will only get more interesting as time goes by and as Manchester City play Chelsea, because I also know we're going to speak about maybe some of the things Enzo has said since he made that move. Yeah, okay, but we may as well start with Tottenham as you've started there already. I was going to go and start with Enzo because he's the big name. I'll tell you what, let's start with Enzo and then we'll come to Tottenham because I'm intrigued, as I'm sure everybody else is by what insight you can give us as to how long Dezobi is likely to last with this squad that they were assembled now. And they have spent, you know, I don't think they spent the most of all the clubs, correct me if I'm wrong, Seb. Tottenham, they're in the lead, but I think you might have picked them at the end. They spent more money than all the clubs. Yeah, I'm pretty sure City have probably spent more. And yeah, given everything and then I'll see it comes. Everyone talks about what goes in and what comes out. Yeah, I think, I mean, Joseph mentioned Brentford there.

9:16I'm, yeah, I take my daughter there quite regularly and I was there for the first game of the season and you couldn't have picked two sides that were so different in what they did. One side that had cost so much, you know, a hundred million to Nali in Sentinem of Field and I know Fernandez was injured, but you couldn't have picked two sides. It looked so different in the fact that one looks like it had been very well put together, not like it was getting put together very haphazardly and that told in the performance and the result. And, you know, and then they're going and they're going to go and lose to Newcastle as well straight off the back of that, you know, you could probably put it down to a bad star or whatever. Or maybe Brentford probably didn't get the credit they deserve. I mean, they did get a lot of credit, but again, Brentford was so good, they would have given any team a real, a real go that day. But yeah, I think it's, it's funny, isn't it, Tottenham fans? I've been saying for years and years, spend money, spend money, spend money and then when you go and have this splurge, it's just like, oh, this is what it's like.

10:19It's probably similar to what we have Peter Hootin on the podcast that very recently and it's like Liverpool, again, Liverpool fans were saying, you know, to the owners, the Fenway group and things like that, all the money that had come in, let's spend some money and when they do, it doesn't always work, you know, and again, I think we probably go back to another podcast where we've had recently, the Man City one, say what you want about Guardiola, but they did seem to manage to mold this, this collect, this collection of incredible players together very well. But Tottenham, yeah, I do fit, you know, I fear for them, I think, Deserby, the way he is and the manager he is, I think he's going to, he's going to have to move quickly because otherwise, these Tottenham fans, again, it's all relative, isn't it? You know, they've struggled, they won the European League a couple of years ago, but they've struggled in the Premier League, so it's all relative and they're paying, going back to Joseph's point, they're paying a pretty penny, those fans are pretty penny at Tottenham, so there is an element of they do deserve to see better, certainly better return on what

11:23is being spent and spent out. And a large chunk of that pretty penny is going to shareholder, let's be real now, it's not just on 100 million for San Drone, to nearly however guilty he might be. I would love to know if you both think he's worth 100 million, if not, what is he worth? Because it's not so much how much you spend, but how you spend it, isn't it, Joseph? Under the circumstances that Tottenham were in, which Seb was alluded to, the 17th twice in two seasons in a row, 17th, you know, this is Tottenham Hartzepal we're talking about. And the jokes are still going around North London. Yeah, 17th, two years in a row, haha, haha, and there was pressure from the board. In fact, there was so much pressure this time around, there was, with the fear of relegation right up into the last game of last season, that suddenly you could get season tickets as easy as you wanted, you know, they were sending me letters, Tottenham Hartzepal sending me letters, they're like, look, you know, it's a good time to get a season ticket.

12:24I say, well, do you a deal? We're not asking for 1000, we're not even asking for 100, well, virtually. And yeah, there was a panic, there was a certain amount, there is a certain amount of panic in there, in there's some a transfer window. I wonder whether we're looking at the wrong thing when we look at the transfer window that Tottenham has had, whether we shouldn't be looking at the reasons why they signed this person, you know, was Sandro Tanali a signing that was, oh, let's get the talisman of new castle because he can fit in nicely into our squad. And remember he's got to hit the ground running like all these players do now from the beginning of the season. Or whether it was a signing that, oh my goodness, we need somebody better in midfield. Oh, let's go for that guy, he hasn't done too badly, but not really understanding why

13:26they bought him. Yeah, I mean, the Kraken players, the Tottenham was bought individually when you look at the Manter Manifold, S&AC, who obviously broke into the Argentina team, was brilliant for Bournemouth. We know that Andy Robertson has passed his best, but he's still a, you know, top level professional left back in someone who you'd imagine would have a very good influence in the dressing room as well, which is something that Spurs obviously need. And then the likes of Fernandez from West Ham, Tanali, like these are top class players, even Mudric who hasn't played for a few years, deservedly worked with him at Chakdar and said he'd be one of the best players in the world one day. And so I'm kind of excited and almost hopeful for him that that goes well. But like you said, money aside, it's almost can you bring all these players into your squad and get everything ticking right at the same time. But then when you consider that I think it was last week in a press conference, um, deserve to be commented on the fact that you can buy quality players, but you can't buy mentality

14:29or something like that. I just don't really like the notes coming out of the club with the minute and you think you said or mention the word chaos or chaotic there, Don. And it does seem like I'm sure there's some sort of thought browsers are planned behind all this, but it all seems a little bit messy. And I don't think you would bet that everything's going to click into place very quickly, James Spurs. If this is a Roberto DeZurby squad, then why should he, you know, why might it come to the point where the magic breaks and he leaves the club anytime soon? If it's his squad, if he has chosen the players, if this is his team, then he's got a stand by it, hasn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that mean that's why I would agree with Joseph, you know, when people are talking about mentality and things like that, that when managers start questioning that it does start to make you think, well, and especially publicly, you know, you always hear

15:30rumors and things like that in this stage, but when they start to say these things publicly, it always starts to feel like it might be the beginning with, you know, where any two came in, it seems ridiculous to a point, but it does feel like it might be the beginning of something really difficult. Like I said, that's why I think he's going to turn it around very quickly and, you know, the highs of, or the high of staying up last season is already quickly evaporated and you know what football's like. It's become momentum is a huge thing in football, whether it's whether you're a good team, whether you're a bad team, but once you really, you know, once, once a media start questioning things and once, once the play, you know, you hear these comments and once the results don't start happening, things can unravel very, very fast and it will be a shame because I quite, you know, I think it's as a character, obviously, you know, regardless of whether, you know, there were a lot of Tottenham fans that weren't, or certainly a sizable minority, weren't happy that Deserbio obviously went there, given what he'd done with Mason Greenwood and what he'd said about Mason Greenwood. So, it's, you know, but I do think it, someone like him should be in the Premier League and

16:34you know, when his style of football works, as we've seen, it is a very attractive style of football, but yeah, really, really I'm starting to get concerned and it will be very interesting to see how, you know, how it develops. And equally, there are those players, like you said, Tarnali and the Madrid, you never know, they football, we just don't, we can all sit here and we can all say these things, but we just, once they cross the white line, some football is the best way, it's the best spot in the world. Something, something can click, something can change, something can happen and before you know it, it can become very different. I mean, ask, ask my own United fans about that, you know, one week there, they, everyone, they've been awarded this terrible team that lost a hull and then the next minute they saw the sudden, okay, maybe that'll be back or whatever it is. So, it's, it's a very difficult business to, and very difficult thing to manage all around, I'd say, but yeah. It's been all kachinkachinkaching, it has to villa though to be fair. I mean, they've got 170 million for Morgan Rogers. Pff, it's what I can say, sir.

17:35As we cons that may end up being a decent deal for us, not 55, only what kids going off to Alhilar, well, that's more about the tax men than anything else, isn't it? And you retirements, they've got $55 million for him. Look, they've done a lot of decent business, but how have they spent that money, Joseph, of all the, and I don't know the players, I've got to confess, but of all the players they've signed, the one name that sticks out for us, you know, follow the Premier League for the time, is Nicholas Jackson, 65 million from Chelsea. You just come back from, was it a year's loan over at Biomunic or wherever it was? Yeah, in Biomunic in Germany, and he went there on loan because really nobody wanted him last season, but now, as some villa, what, I'm not knocking him, because he decent, from what I've seen this season has been decent, but then you look at 65 million from a position where nobody, well, I didn't say nobody wanted you, I apologize, as you said that, but you never got a chance for over the line for him last season, you know.

18:38Jackson makes me think of theme over and or a player like that in terms of, you know, frustration. Under the right management. Under the right management and certainly a confidence player, you feel like on their day or on their season in the right scenario, they could be absolutely fantastic, like a lot of Chelsea fans are made to the spoke to be about Jackson and said, you know, can be the best and the worst. But I feel like he's a last minute solution for outgoing and injury problems and I personally am a lot more excited. Not that I think Jackson will be barrican, add to the squad, the two names of the villa signings that I really like are Manzambi, who Sean for Switzerland in the World Cup. I saw him at close quarters, of course, in the Europa League final in Istanbul and he was far and above the best player for Fryberg, you know, they just kept passing it to him, he's playing

19:41kind of a inside left position, I guess. He was so good, he was so good. I'm not surprised the villa have gone because, you know, I am really saw him at very close quarters in the other decent game, even though they're always heading for a hiding or a beating, anyway. Yeah, you've gone from Manzambi and who else do you say to you? Majo as well, he scored against PSG and the super cup, of course, both of them are injured at the minute for Recall correctly, and Majo at the end of that game are entraining since then before the season started, got injured, the young striker. I mean, that's the only time I've seen him play, but he looked unbelievable against PSG and that much scored a great goal, could have scored more goals, so powerful, so quick, so aggressive. And then Manzambi similarly, but like you said, born a second striker position that can run with the ball and make things happen, when those two guys are fit and playing together, that's going to be something really,

20:42really exciting to watch for Asdenville, I think. I don't know when that'll be though, and obviously in the meantime, they've had a slow start and lost pretty much the spine of the team, you know, from Watkins way back to Debu Martinez and Morgan Rogers, so going to be a really interesting one for Villa this year. Yeah, they let Martinez walk virtually all the way to Chelsea, to Sanford Bridge, but the Ibrahimine Bay from Paracensure Man's said that has got to be a highlight. I mean, fair enough what Joseph was saying, but with him as a forward there, Asdenville have got an option which I don't think Oli Watkins quite fulfilled, or if it's the other way around, if the team didn't fulfill Oli Watkins ability in that, or potentially in that, maybe in Bayer can be the answer. He's certainly something he's exciting coming from the Champions League winners. Yeah, definitely, and I'm glad you mentioned

21:44him actually, because when I went to Joseph, I was mentioning those players, that was the other one I had on my list as well, but I think it's interesting now, we come to a point where given everything he's done so far, one the Europa League, got him in Champions League successfully, Emory again, if he manages to mould this unit together, maybe not so quickly, but certainly over the course of the season, and do well and be successful, then I think it's probably time he probably gets a bit more credit than he probably has had in the Premier League and in England, because I think he's done amazing to get to this point, and again to lose the spine, I think two lemons is arguably, I mean, for 35 million, I think that's just still an incredible bit of business, and I know that we have to do least scores, but players like that, I just think he's done amazing already, and if we can mould this unit together, and who's to say you can't give him what he's done before, then I really think then

22:45he should definitely get more of the credit than he probably has it has done in English football, sorry. It's okay, I thought you were going to talk about tealumans as being a steel for men in the United, it's the way that I see it, Joseph, you know, 35 million games are... If he keeps playing like he plays against, played against whole, then they'll be glad he's off the books, to be honest, I didn't see much of the Epswich game, I actually turned it on when things were very much in the balance, and between Maguire's Hampole and then deflected shot into own goal, and the penalty, you know, that wasn't a five-two game at all, to be honest, so I think the United start is more questionable perhaps than that big victory suggests, but yeah, back to Villa, and like Seb said, Emory, just the amount of years he's been doing for, and he did something that other teams have not been able to do, which was

23:47sort of break the glass ceiling of Europe, but at the same time, not completely fall off the face of the Earth domestically, and now time and time again, not only are they competing for top four, but at the same time they're competing in Europe, whether that's trying to win a Europa League, or be competitive in a Champions League, so yeah, deserves loads of credit, Emory, but perhaps this year knows the biggest challenge yet. What the goon is have done, they pay 75 million for Bruno Gamerero, Seb. Well, what do you make of that, but also the fact that maybe they didn't quite push the boat out for a couple of players that they were keen on in this window, okay, fair enough, Julian Alvarez might have been a little bit out of their reach or the desire of Athletico Madrid to entertain them, maybe some people say they could have got them, but there's

24:47one or two other players they've had their eyes on and decided after a while that they weren't going to pursue it as well. I wonder if they've made the right calls this season, whether they needed to strengthen a little bit more or not? Yeah, possibly, but I think, I'll be honest, I was concerned about how the lack of certainly Sacka and the Inge and the Enryce and players like that, obviously Sacka's scored the winner the other night. So I was genuinely concerned because they paid so much football and again, I think you guys mentioned on the Champions League, like we return on the Champions League, how difficult it is to play weekend, weekend, Premier League football and do well in Europe, you know, and to get to the final to lose on penalties, you can't get much closer than that. So they've obviously expended so much energy and then you have obviously a busy world cup, but I'll be honest, I think I just think that there's, again, talking about momentum, I just feel like they've probably done their right business and I wonder if they're maybe keeping their powder dry a little bit for maybe either January or maybe at the end of the season, I just think they think

25:50that they've got everything that they need at this point in time and I think it's very different, you know, maybe we go back, I'd mention Liverpool again Liverpool won the league and then went out and and then thought, well, that's really, really strengthened and really pushed the boat out now, wherever the signings and the players that they brought in were, they spent an awful lot of money. Certainly for Liverpool team, so maybe Arsenal and should be content with kind of what they've got and added a few, got rid of obviously, Hazus and Martin Ellie players and Trostside as well, who have been on fairly decent wages, so maybe they're seeing what happens next and have got and believe in what they can do, certainly for the next six months if not the rest of the season. I mean, they are everyone's, I mean, there's pretty much to a person I know, they are the favourites for the league aren't they, overall. Yeah, he's not wrong there. Yeah, so maybe it's okay and maybe it's actually quite, maybe it's quite good to be reserved as we've seen, not everyone has been that in this transfer window. Yeah, favourites for the league, Joseph,

26:53but not favourites for the Champions League, which is what they want to be. And well, I don't know, I'm not an expert on these things, you are much more so than me, but I'd have thought to win the Champions League, you're going to need to score goals and there's a problem for Arsenal of not having a decisive centre forward. It's still a question mark, isn't it? Perhaps, yeah, I think they've sure it up, they've, you know, bought another 40 centrebacks and brought no one excited me, so I think we can see Arsenal perhaps comfortably, but not too excitedly winning the Premier League again, whether that makes the difference in Europe against a PSG or a Bayern or Madrid is another question. I personally and obviously not as an Arsenal fan would have loved to see the Veniceia's transfer happen. In terms of how it might have transformed

27:55their team on the counter attack, I think Arsenal fans should have been very excited, but also just the idea of bringing a player like that to the league and how it would work and how he would work and what difference could it make for them in the Champions League. So you'd have to ask Arsenal fans who'd be a lot better place to tell you if they've made enough difference to beat a PSG this year, but I think between the tweaks they've made in the summer, sharing things up and perhaps a lack of an obvious contender, their definitely favourites for the league, but I will also add to that city uncommensingly and then convincingly, I've started with two wins. Alan's clearly going to score goals again, lots of them, and I'm fascinated to see how their midfield, their new midfield works with Boade, Elliot Anderson and Enzo Fernandez, because those three in Alan Delone, if they're all at the top of the game, in the system works. Surely

28:56they have to be the ones that are going to put it to Arsenal again. Yeah, Chelsea, I'm looking at Morgan Rodgers we mentioned earlier on, 170 million, Max Sence Le Quire, Crystal Palace at 51 million. I think that's a good deal, I think it's a little bit too much money, in my view, but I think that's a really good deal, because you look at the business at Palace and I can just from the opening game see how he fits into Chelsea, how about you, sir? Yeah, I think he's obviously a very good player, isn't he? And I think you know, you don't get in the French squad, even if you don't like makers many minutes, as he probably would have liked in the World Cup without being a good player. And I think Chelsea, obviously, changed tact slightly. And I, in terms of getting some real quality in, and I just think of Alonzo as well. And again, the lack of European football for me, and I keep saying it, and I've said it, the lack of European football is going to be a huge thing for them. And it's just the relentlessness of the Premier League has certainly, like I've just mentioned before with Arsenal,

29:56and other teams have been seeing again what Man United do, and now they're back in Champions League football. But the relentlessness and this no European football, rejuvenated Palmer, which was, you know, so obvious, but it's not actually nice to see, because the Premier League English football needs players like Cole Palmer being at their top of their game. And you know, you can talk about the international team all day long, but we shouldn't have been there or not, but people want to see Cole Palmer doing well, and they want to see like Morgan Rogers, you know, it was expensive, right? But I suppose the other thing about this before, you know, we talk about these figures and these amounts of money. £170 million is obviously an obscene and insane amount of money, however, which way you look at it, right? But then if you're Chelsea, you can make £10 million profit on a dilapid and make these profits, and then all these things, add up and actually £117 million to Chelsea might not seem a lot. I mean, it still seems the level of money and the back and forth and the come-ins and go-ins doesn't seem quite right to

31:00me just from a, I'm a football purist, so I'm going to say that and I don't know if it's, it's almost become like a, you know, a farm, you know, a player farm, so to speak, even right down to the academy level where they're bringing all these players in and then they sell them for X amount. I just don't, it doesn't really appeal to me, but what I would say is it's evidently somehow, and again, I don't know how given the numbers involved, but somehow it seems to be working for them, and they're like, well, I say this, you know, we've only received journalists and respect to journalists talking about Chelsea being very, you know, with rumors of investment or bolly and people like that leaving. So maybe it isn't working financially, but on paper at the moment, it seems to be, and I think that, yeah, I just think the lack of European football and, and Martinez, everyone, I mean, we've talked about obvious signings, you know, over the years, but, I mean, it's obvious that Chelsea have needed a higher quality goalkeeper, and they've obviously got one in Martinez, and I know that I was a couple of, speaking to Chelsea founder when the other day, and they just said little things, you know, he came out, and rather than just like applauding

32:05the Chelsea fans for the first time, you know, being back at it, he was giving it all this, and that's what Martinez does, the personality that he's got, he doesn't care, he doesn't hide from anything, and that's what makes him the player he is, but little things like that, I just think really made me think that Chelsea are going to be the ones to knock on the door, and maybe man see, and ask them might get distracted by other endeavors, but yeah. Wow, yeah. And obviously in this space we've got this broadcast, we can't go through all the signings that have happened this summer, and there are a few other eye opponents, and feel free to add any in either of you, but I wonder if I could ask the question in this way, if you could pick one transfer over this summer period that will be a genuine success this season, which one would it be Joseph? I'm torn between Elliot Anderson and Andrew Fernandez for City, to be honest,

33:06massive fees aside, I think, the idea of planning against one of them in the middle of the park, is nauseating, but the two of them, how they might lay out alongside each other, even the mutual respect that they might have garnered in that England Argentine game at the World Cup when Anderson was one of few people who was chopping messy diners, I was best met, I think they will delve galvanize that city dress and room on the pitch and everything, and with Helen and his new hair up front, I'm really convinced that them and City will be obviously not Guardiola City, but definitely not to be written off. Yeah, his new hit, just go ahead. Sorry, Joseph, can I ask? Just, and again, I'm probably not in the same camp as you with regards to Fernandez. As someone who obviously knows I'm Tingen football extremely well anyway, but as someone who has followed probably him more closely than certainly I have, but am I missing something? When I watch Chelsea and what Hayes of

34:11Warkut winner, I'm really, I'm not going to sit here and say he's not a very good football, he really is, but I just wonder if he's the 125 million, you know, the most easy, easy as good as that in form. Oh, you tell me, I'd love to know your thoughts. I'd love to be convinced, because it's to me, and I'm not the only one. Obviously there's various people that will say, they can't quite see it, but we miss it. It's a tricky question, because like you said, the idea of anyone being worth that sort of money and Morgan Rogers being worth $117 million, it's so inflated and it's so hard to compare and judge these players on their prices. But in terms of that price representing a world's class player in that position, then for me, there's no real darts that Enzo fits the bill. I really like him as a player. I feel like he's someone that you would absolutely love to have on your team, on any given day, whatever the weather,

35:16like it's, you know, it's that Argentine mentality, like it's, you know, we win or we die quite literally anywhere he's ever been and he's still very young. He's won trophies. I love that he's not one of these sort of like modern, very specific role players. He's sort of more traditional number. He will win a ball back at the edge of the box. And a second later, he'll be on the edge of the box, sort of smashing one in and he can pass and he can move. I think he's absolutely top class and he can do everything. He's definitely what he would say is passionate and what other people would have other words for in terms of his in terms of his character and stuff like that. But yeah, I think if the price is labeling him absolutely world class, then as a player, I'm definitely a far. Yeah, good analysis and good critique. Generally, it makes sense to me now. I hope he makes

36:17sense to you as well, sir, but nobody else listening. Yeah, yeah. So I think when, yeah, I still, yeah, I bristle slightly at the other off the pitch stuff and I think the statement was all over every single back page today and stuff like that, which again, can be overanalyzed and certain words are being picked out. The fact that he's making a statement and a quite a long worded statement is actually quite refreshing, I think, in this day and age. It's very easy to sort of. And again, just put yourself up there and hold out the reception when he goes back to Sam and bridge won't be won't be great. I mean, it wasn't great when he played for them in the friendly of the week. But I kind of admire it a little bit, but I just, yeah, no, I'm genuinely like maybe I'm missing something and again, without saying I'm not sitting here for a second and saying he's not obviously a very, very good footballer and a very good fielder. But yeah, I wonder if in this instance, Chelsea, I've got the best end of the deal of that, you know, making a 25 million pound profit on a player. But yeah, well, maybe just, yeah, just to come back on that said, but I think it was Iroola said

37:19last week in an interview with Stephen Gerard, actually, about the identity and the connection between players with fans and this idea that's maybe forgotten a lot in modern football that Iroola said that he wants to put into his Liverpool squad. And I think this is why even for off the pitch reasons, previous high profile events and even just all the Argentina stuff recently in the character that Enzo is, in spite of all that, what Iroola said is fans will come to again every day and they won't be able, none of them will be able to think they're able to put a free kick in the top corner, but they'll all be saying I would run for that ball, I would press for that ball, I would die for this, I would do that, I would tackle that. And I feel like Enzo, almost like he alludes to in his leaving statement, it does feel like you've put a fan on the pitch, except he does also have that

38:21ability as well. And all those non-technical traits that he has, when they're in Argentinian colours against England is one thing, but I think a lot of Chelsea fans absolutely loved him for that reason. So yeah, I think he'll be very popular at City and even a lot of Chelsea fans, even though they'll show to him or whatever when he comes back to Stanford Bridge, I think that's why a lot of people really, really like him and can get behind them, respect them as well. And it's interesting that in Argentinian media, after the Argentinian England game, a lot of them were commenting on the likes of Bellingham and Anderson, because they almost saw a bit of that from them the other way and that's something that's really valued and respected over there. And to come back to the statement, it's sort of hilarious at the same time, the fact that the statement was very long and at parts of it, its contradictory makes me feel like it did come from him, like it wasn't

39:23just a PR team. I'm sure someone was translating it because I saw the word fondly or something like that and I was like, your English definitely is not at that level. But the fact that it was long and passionate and contradictory, you could tell he was ghost-riding or it was ghost-ridden definitely and it did come from the heart. But it was quite hilarious that all of this was then 24 hours. He said, you know, I'll be happy for Chelsea if they do well. I wish you nothing, but the very best. I feel like he genuinely means that, but what's just ridiculous is that he's gone to a direct rival whilst his very own new best interests are in direct competition with those of Chelsea. And then he's obviously said, I've always dreamt of going to a big club or something along those lines, which again, I don't know if we should read into too much. That's he's just in Man City mode there, do you know what I mean? But yeah, something that you've made me

40:25think more so is almost the ridiculousness of the statement. It's almost more genuine in a way. Okay, and clearly from what both Joe and Seb have said, you need to read the statement. It's worth reading anyway. Well done. I'm a fan. I'm a supporter. Let's leave what Argentinian footballers might feel they need to represent to one side. And I don't really have an issue with that either because I get it. I get it. However, I'm here for the football and Enzo Fernandez when he puts his boots on for Chelsea. More times than not. He hasn't always been brilliant, but more times than not, he is exciting to watch. Anyway, who would you go for then? Seb, as the one player, this transfer window that you think could make a difference during the course of the season? I mean, it's probably a bit easy to say because he's played two games, but

41:28everything I've seen of San Gare at Brentford, I mean, I went to a preseason friendly and Rennes as well with my daughter. And even then, you could tell that this player had an error by him. And he has taken to the Premier League already ridiculously. And like, people are turning round in their seats when he does something. And I'm not saying like he does this amazing skill, but it's the vision he sees and the space he finds, the ball retention, that get in the ball back, but then to keep it and then to move it. And then just do a very simple but perfect pass. It's not like he's pinging a quarter back style. He just gets it, puts it directly in front of the the fast attacking wingers that Brentford have got. So I mean, it's probably too easy to say that, but I think he's very exciting. And I really do think it's the stats back of what he did in France last year. This is what Brentford do so well, but I really do think this could be a genuine like a player that go, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll go on much bigger and well, I say much bigger

42:32and better things. Brentford, one of the best teams in the Premier League at the moment and rightly so. So, but yeah, I mean, they're already talking about it. I don't know how he's going to progress and move on, but I do think he's going to be a joy to watch for not just for Brentford fans, but Premier League fans, I think even the other day against Leeds, he just picked the ball up, beat two players and got tackle. But then one it back again, I just think he's got a real freshness and an eagerness about him. And yeah, I think he's he's he's the one certainly Premier League wise. So yeah, I could sit here and talk about how excited I am to see the English people players in into, you know, do well. So with John Stone's jet spence, Curtis Jones, I think Curtis Jones much underrated to be honest. But yeah, certainly the Premier League sang R.A. would is definitely keeper. I know it's one of the best songs in Premier League football at the moment. I want to dance with Sangara, you know, it's a it's a it's a good one. It's really it's it's it's it's it's certainly a hit on the terraces. And I keep it, you know, it's a nice fun joke up front song. And I think he's really got a good head on his shoulders. And I'm very excited

43:34to see how he progresses. And yeah, hopefully my daughter for sure will hopefully he's in red and white stripes for longer than perhaps he might end up being. Yeah, everything fans came out of the great song for Balassee. You remember when they signed in from Crystal Palace. And then, you know, he did one big run down the wing and they did it all the Z-Cars theme or whatever it was. And after that, you got injured, you know, a swim again. So they had the great song. Just be careful, you don't jinx somebody without me because yeah, anyway, that's about it this time around, guys. They're obviously will return to the transfers in January as you would do because that would be an interesting one given, you know, what we've achieved or learned this time around. I wonder if anybody will have any money to take part in the January transfer window. But I can't wait. Can't wait. And of course, Joseph, we shall talk again very soon and said, well, your teammates are what can I say? Listen, thank you for listening to the Brazilian shirt name podcast

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