Extra Credit: The Rise and Fall of a Frat House Ponzi Scheme

A while back, the Atlanta-based journalist Ashley Fonts was invited to speak at the University

of Georgia's journalism school, about her 25 years of investigative reporting.

To the talk, some students came up with questions, as they sometimes do at the end of lectures

they actually find interesting.

One of them had a tip for Ashley.

There was a kid who told me that there was a frat guy who had run a multi-million dollar

Ponzi scheme out of his frat house, and I thought, wow, that sounds pretty crazy.

Ashley made a mental note of it, and later, when she had some time, did some poking around

to see if this frat guy Ponzi scheme had been covered.

There had been some scant media coverage of it, but I really wanted to dive in deep, and

I honestly thought there is no way in hell that I'm going to be able to reach this guy.

The guy in question was named Sayed Arbob, and by this point, he had been charged, convicted,

and already served his term.

For the crime of taking more than $1 million from 117 victims in a scheme where he claimed

to be investing their money in a hedge fund.

But he was actually spending it on his own relatively lavish lifestyle.

He's fresh by that point out of federal prison, and there's no way he's going to talk to

a reporter.

On that point, Ashley was wrong.

She found Sayed's number and texted him.

Told him that she'd heard about his case and wanted to hear his side of the story.

He immediately said, yeah, just hit me up, send me a link, let's talk.

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Sayed Arbob is the son of two Bangladeshi scientists who immigrated to the U.S. shortly after September

11, 2001, probably the single most difficult time for a family of Muslims to arrive on

our shores.

They settled in a Michigan town called Ken.

He arrives in this white bread, midwestern, small town, and he's pudgy, and he loves math,

and he loves to study, and there is nothing more satisfying to say the numbers and patterns.

And there's a contest at his elementary school, and it's called the Pi Contest.

It's how many digits of Pi can you memorize?

And the person who memorizes the most digits wins an actual Pi.

Sayed won that Pi.

He later claimed in an interview to have gotten to the 360th decimal.

As if to prove himself, Sayed even did a version of this party trick off the cuff for

Ashley when they first talked.

He gave me about 48 of the first digits.

Sayed was obviously very smart.

He was also a talented pianist, but what he really wanted as a kid actually says was

to be popular, to belong.

It's a classic immigrant kid story, wanting desperately to assimilate and be part of the

cool crowd.

Honestly, it's a classic teenage story period.

You don't have to be an immigrant to feel awkward and desperate to belong in high school.

It's just magnified when you're also from a very different culture.

Unfortunately for Sayed, his parents weren't helping.

They were very strict and forbid not just drinking, but also going to parties and dating

girls, which only made Sayed want those things more.

He would sneak to the public library to make out with his girlfriend and the stacks.

He started entrepreneurship very early and started selling, you know, vape pens at parties

and selling some weed.

And what becomes very important to Sayed is the material things that you can get with

money that his parents are not providing for him.

Things like a cell phone.

He is learning that if I have money, I can buy things, people see me with those things,

and think that I'm cool, I'm one of them.

Sayed is a rebel, but he also loves his parents.

He wants to win his father's respect in particular.

And one of the few times he'd felt that respect was when he made him some money on an investment.

As a numbers guy, Sayed started to dabble in investing early in high school, in fact.

He opened an online brokerage account and started looking around for how he could make

his money work for him.

He's looking at these girls in the tight Lululemon yoga pants.

So that's what spinning in his head when he tells his dad, hey, you should really invest

in some Lululemon.

So his dad does, according to Sayed, invest in Lululemon and sees his stock portfolio increase.

And then that prompts Sayed to get more and more interested in stocks and trading and

the market.

Sayed's parents knew their son, his desire to have fun and chase girls.

So when his dad got a job in Georgia, he told Sayed that he could not attend the college

he wanted to do a tent, the University of Michigan.

That was, according to his dad, just too much of a party school.

You're coming to Georgia with me and you're going to go to the University of Georgia and

you're going to straighten up.

What Sayed's dad obviously didn't know at that point is that the University of Georgia

isn't exactly a safe alternative.

It's a legendary party school itself.

There's more bars than you can think of.

It's frat life.

It is party, party, party there.

And he does a couple Google searches about the University of Georgia and it's like, score,

cool.

I'm down with that.

Once on campus, Sayed traded his Michigan look for a Southern Prepy aesthetic.

He's initially reluctant to join a frat, but he realizes, look, that's how you sort of

get in here.

So he pledges five cap a towel.

Complete with the traditional American pledging experience.

I don't know if you know what a cigarette walrus is, but that's one of the initiations

they do where you stick like 10 cigarettes up your nose and do push ups.

And then there's also something called the Edward 40 hands.

This one I'm aware of, basically someone affixes a 40 ounce bottle of malt liquor to each

of your hands, and you have to finish them both before being freed.

So he's well on his way to being a good boy, like his parents want him to be.

Once he was settled in the frat, Sayed started a day trading club, just some friends experimenting

with investing small amounts of money.

This is the spring of 2017, which is essentially a group chat.

And they call themselves the wolves of Broad Street.

Broad Street being the main party drag in Athens, and the street where the five cap a towel

frat house was.

Very quickly, word of the groups spread across campus.

More than 800 people joined up.

And Sayed was the ringleader, calling out trades he was making that seemed to be paying off.

And so they start to see him as this stock was, this trading was.

Many of Sayed's early picks seemed pretty obvious.

Amazon, Microsoft, etc.

Blue chips, but he had an eye for risk too.

One day he made a bold announcement to the group.

He tells everybody that he's gonna bet his entire portfolio, which is about $30,000, on

Janet Yelling, the Fed Chairwoman, increasing rates.

Interest rates, she means.

At that time, Janet Yelling was not expected to increase rates.

It was not expected to happen at all.

And so he gathers up all of his friends, people who were in the wolves of Broad Street

chat show up to the frat house.

Sayed was so confident in his prediction that he used his entire account balance to buy

up gold.

Because of the interest rate went up, gold prices would also spike, he surmised.

It's like two o'clock, spring day, 2017.

You got all these kids packed into the frat house, and they're ready to watch what Janet

Yelling does at a press conference.

Everyone was crowded around two screens, one showing the Fed announcement, the other,

Sayed's account.

So she announces that she is raising rates, and gold went crazy, and he immediately tripled

his account.

And so all of these kids are just jumping up and going, oh my god, you did it.

This is brilliant.

You are a genius, Sayed.

This legend, as an investment genius, was born that day, on a single, lucky pick.

Sayed himself remembers it well.

I like locked into the room, and everyone just started giving me a standing ovation.

Ashley actually ended up speaking to Sayed a lot over a series of months, and she recorded

the conversations.

This is what you're hearing here, and elsewhere, when you hear Sayed.

Here is frat house heroics, Sayed kept the momentum going.

So he starts telling people that he has created a hedge fund, which he calls artist profusio,

or artistic profits.

And it spreads like wildfire, and people start sending him money.

Students mostly, but not only students.

Some of the parents of those students invested money with Sayed too, after he reached out

in search of larger dollar amounts, guaranteeing 15% returns.

There is no such thing as a guaranteed return when you invest.

It was like the United Nations of Red Flags.

He sends a contract to these investors that it's riddled with spelling errors.

He lies in the contract saying that he's in an MBA program.

He's an undergraduate studying biology.

He's asking people to send him money via Venmo and Zell, and then taking that money and

putting it into his personal bank of America account.

Anyone who's invested in a fund of any kind knows that you get regular statements.

These days, you can check those accounts daily online, but at a minimum, your fund sends

you monthly and quarterly accounting of how your investments are doing.

I had primarily communicated with his investors via mobile phone text message.

And he would send a spreadsheet that just had a bunch of bogus numbers on them.

Nobody was really questioning it.

Not at first, anyway.

They were excited to watch the numbers go up.

For about a year, from May 2018 to May 2019, Sayed recruited investors.

Here's how he explained it to Ashley.

We did spectacular.

I was on an all-time high.

At one point, the portfolio value went up to almost $6 million.

No one really gave a shit about the structure of it because everyone was just making money.

He was clearly a talented salesman.

And once he had a good mark on the hook, he was especially good at getting that person

to keep investing.

There was always some urgent trade.

Some moment, the investor couldn't possibly miss.

He is incredibly persistent.

When he sees that someone is a sieve for money, he is going to be texting them relentlessly,

saying, I'm about to make you some easy cash.

Send me another 10k.

Most of these investors were giving Sayed a few hundred bucks at a time, maybe a couple

thousand.

But one woman, a cashier from a local supermarket who's brother went to the University of

Georgia.

And $48,000.

Another guy, a former student, gave him $100,000.

An incredible score that came with some unfortunate strings.

That investor wanted their money back pretty quickly.

And of course, he didn't have that because meanwhile what we're talking about is he is

bawling at the mall with other people's cash.

So he goes on lavish spending trips to Las Vegas.

Meanwhile, while he's in Las Vegas.

He's tweeting picks of him winning presumably at games, wads of cash.

He puts on Instagram, MGM has put him on security alert because he's clearing them out.

And all of his investors are seeing this, that he's going to Vegas and he's spending

this kind of money.

So he spent money on clothes, parties, shoes, ton of liquor, adult entertainment.

Even a red Corvette, which he featured prominently on his Instagram.

He's also buying drugs.

He's also using cocaine.

So it is a downward spiral if ever there was one.

Syad was buying lots of stuff and partying more than ever.

Probably to escape the mounting pressure of people actually wanting to see some of the

money he was supposedly earning for them.

And at some point, I started making riskier and riskier bets on the market.

I remember four fully value has like dropped like almost a hundred thousand dollars.

It was just like crazy.

The walls are closing in and he needs to start paying people back, but he no longer has

the money.

So what I did was I started selling drugs.

I took a riskier and riskier bets on the market, even like going to Vegas to try to

gamble to make some of the earnings back.

Just crazy, crazy like desperation shit that I was convincing myself would work because

I'm like, yeah, you know, it's worked in the past.

It was as you're probably imagining a towering house of cards that was about to collapse

on Syad's head.

And this pressure from investors, especially from the guy who gave him a hundred grand,

is where the Ponzi scheme came in.

He starts to get one investor to send money to another investor to start paying them

off.

In like the sloppiest way possible, asking one person to send funds via the smartphone

banking app cell directly to another person with some half-assed explanation about why

this sloppy method was above board.

It was one of Syad's oldest high school friends from Michigan who caught on first.

After he ended up in direct contact with the guy who was owed a hundred grand.

After they went to the SEC and laid it all out for an investigator who confirmed what

they already suspected.

What Syad was doing was definitely not a hedge fund.

When Syad found out that I was affiliated with going to the SEC and he goes, how could

you do this to me, man?

I've known you since we were 14, you're screwing me over like my life is ruined.

I said to him, if you did nothing wrong and you were actually investing our money, then

you have nothing to worry about.

He made it, it seemed like he was a victim and that I had put him in this terrible situation.

He was going off, I'm like, I hope you're happy, I'm never going to be able to get a job.

I spent all this money at school for nothing, I'm not going to go to med school, I'm going

to go to prison, couldn't believe that someone so, you know, crazy in such a situation

could actually think the way he thought at that time, it's unbelievable.

It did not exist in real life.

It was taking other people's money and putting it in his personal bank account.

Which is also illegal.

The SEC called Syad in for an interview and as he tells it, he went willingly, he wasn't

worried at all.

Everything's going to be okay, I'm just going to have to lie to them and just hide a bunch

of stuff from them.

At this point, I have such a huge ego that I think that I'm so much smarter than everyone,

even government officials that have already done the investigation.

That's exactly what he did.

Syad flat out lied to the SEC investigators who had been studying him for months.

I read the transcript, you can almost hear the enforcement officers who are questioning

him laughing at this 19 year old kid sitting in front of them lying through his teeth,

saying all the money that these people gave me were gifts.

And sure, I did use some of the money for operating expenses.

That wasn't it either.

He lies to them and says that he is getting his MBA.

He tells them he's been accepted to the University of Michigan when he hasn't for graduate

school.

They say, Syad, what is it that you ultimately want to do?

And he says, oh, I want to start a biotech company.

School is a cucumber, exits that interview, goes to class.

This tactic did not work.

The US government froze his assets and agents searched his parents' home in nearby Augusta,

terrifying his poor mother in the process.

Ultimately, a so-called bill of information, basically the equivalent of an indictment

written by a prosecutor without first going to a grand jury, was filed against 22-year-old

Syad, our Bob, in October of 2019.

They charge him with one count of securities fraud.

And that document is interesting because it says that not only was he promising some

of his investors 15% guaranteed return, he was promising some of them 56% guaranteed

return.

It boggles my mind how people could fall for it, but I think that just speaks to what

they perceived as his charm and his expertise and how we want to believe there's some genius

young person that we've just discovered.

There's something to that.

The combination of a truly charming and self-assured person speaking with confidence and the belief

most of us have that we will, on occasion, stumble into amazing opportunities is quite

a cocktail.

It didn't work on the feds, unfortunately.

In September of 2020, Syad pled guilty and was sentenced to 60 months in prison.

I didn't even comprehend what he said at first when he said 60 months.

Like I didn't actually do the math, right?

And then after he said the 60 months, I was like, oh, he gave me the full five years.

And I was just in shock.

He thought that he had charmed the court and that there was no way they were going to

really throw the max at him, but that's what they did.

He got five years.

He was 23 years old.

He was ordered to pay more than half a million dollars in restitution to those 117 defrauded

victims.

But the story in no way ends there.

He doesn't just go off to prison because it's 2020 and COVID is raging.

And Syad tells his attorney that he has a heart problem.

That condition that actually could not confirm, but whether or not it was actually real,

the claim bought Syad a year of quasi-freedom, a kind of house arrest because it was deemed

too risky to send a guy with a heart problem to jail during COVID.

And instead of spending that time with his family who are utterly heartbroken about

this, he holds up with his girlfriend and Atlanta at her place.

And credibly, he pulls another financial scam.

Syad Arbob awaiting a federal prison term on financial fraud charges went right back

to scamming.

That story is after the break.

Some cases fade from headlines.

Some never made it there to begin with.

I'm Ashley Flowers and on my podcast The Deck, I tell you the stories of cold cases featured

on playing cards distributed in prisons designed to spark new leads and bring long overdue

justice.

Because these stories deserve to be heard and the loved ones of these victims still deserve

answers.

Are you ready to be dealt in?

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Welcome back to Camille Elliott.

Syad Arbob's second financial scam didn't become apparent until later, but it actually

predates his sentencing.

It began in May of 2019, right about the time when the Ponzi scheme was blowing up in

his face.

Syad convinced several of his friends to participate in this scam called free writing.

It means that they deposited funds into brokerage accounts from bank accounts that they knew

lack sufficient funds.

This is a little complicated, but basically some online brokerages will give customers

what's called instant deposit credit.

You're given digital funds to invest the minute you make a deposit long before that deposit

has actually cleared.

So now this band of young men uses that credit to buy and sell securities.

So securities are tradable financial assets.

Basically what they're doing is they're exploiting a period of time when if you say you're giving

money to a brokerage, they're giving you credit and they're taking that money.

Taking that free money from the brokerage and putting it into stocks that are then sold

before the initial deposit clears, they use the proceeds from those sales provided it's

a win to pay for the original trade while keeping the profits.

But they never spent their own money to begin with.

Those deposits would not have cleared because the bank accounts weren't funded.

It's a sham from the jump.

They're stealing money from brokerages.

According to the feds, this scam went on from May of 2019 to sometime in 2021, which means

it was ongoing as the Ponzi scheme case proceeded through the legal system.

So there's a new case developing right on top of the original one.

When Syed finally reports to prison, it's to a relatively cushy federal prison in the

Atlanta area, which by the way is the same one that Carlo Ponzi himself was held in.

Many years ago.

Carlo Pietro Giovanni, Guglielmo Tabaldo Ponzi to give his full name because yeah, there

was a real person behind this term we now use so freely.

Charles Ponzi, as he was better known, was an Italian who scammed North American investors

out of millions in the 1920s with the postal coupon arbitrage swindle.

All you need to do to ride out this type of place is put on your crocs, your sweat

pants, get your instant noodles, watch whatever's on the television and just ride out your

five years.

But that is not Syed.

He immediately gets a phone.

He starts continuing the free writing scam.

He is posting on Instagram, taunting his victims, you know, like, oh, you thought I went

to prison to look like I'm in prison, bitch.

Probably not the wisest of ideas.

I was just like trying to show people like, hey, look, I'm not in trouble.

Like, I'm still enjoying my life.

I'm in prison.

I'm trying to convince myself at the same time and in trying to think that this is all

Joe.

Great.

Like the first interview with the SEC, this belies a naivete or an arrogance or both.

Regardless, actions have consequences.

This bad behavior did not go unnoticed by the feds.

They pulled Syed out of the cushy prison and sent him to a far worse place.

One of the most dangerous, notorious prisons in the United States, which is known as Getmo

North.

It's in Marion, Illinois.

The proper name is the Federal Correctional Institution, Marion.

It's where Muhammad Salome, the Palestinian who was convicted of the 93 World Trade

Center bombing is held.

It's where Russian arms dealer Victor Boot is Daniel Hale, the NSA leaker, just sort

of a cast of characters.

The infamous mob boss John Gotti served his time and died there.

As he put it, he's like, when I was in Getmo North, you know, he just stopped carrying

about stuff that he used to care about.

Things like money and drugs and showing them off on social media.

Of course, there was more to Syed than that and it started to come out.

I used that time to start focusing back on my education and start focusing on the things

that I loved, including my parents and myself.

Just being able to hold my name at a respectable level.

Syed worked on his MBA while in Marion and applied to PhD programs in economics.

His intelligence has never been in question.

I took the GRE.

I got in the 99% tile for the quantitative section and then the 98% tile in the verbal.

So I was a top candidate, obviously, if I didn't get incarcerated, I would have been

a top candidate for any university.

He had the gall, one might say, to apply to UGA.

The University of Georgia did reject him, but he did apply to Howard University.

Syed must have behaved himself because he was released early in late 2023 and sent to

a halfway house in Georgia.

And not long after, he was a free man.

Syed accepted that offer from Howard University in Washington, DC.

And after requesting and being granted permission from his parole officer to leave Georgia, started

attending graduate school there.

He's still enrolled and lives in the DC suburbs.

He was getting his life together, but he also sounded lonely.

This is the version of Syed, our Bob, that Ashley Fons encountered when she reached out.

I was a social person, I'm not anymore.

It's a fear of being social that comes and hits the back of my head.

There's a voice inside my head that tells me, no, you can't make friends because they

will eventually turn their back on you.

So what's the point of even making friends unless it's for business purposes?

Also the only people that I really talk to are people that I make money with.

Speaking of loneliness, he did meet someone on a Muslim dating app.

I was very upfront about myself, hey, I just got out of prison, this is why I went

to prison.

This is what I have on the table, this is what I plan on doing with my life.

If you'd like to be a part of my life, I would more than willing to accept you and

would love your presence and what I can offer to build yourself up to.

And she was pretty candid with her life situations as well.

She had gone through her own struggles.

So she helped me build myself up by to help build herself up.

And yeah, I mean, now the first year of my PhD program I got a 4.0, then now I'm just

waiting for what's next to come.

Biods Achilles heel seems to be hubris.

He likes attention and there are plenty of examples out there of him appearing to be not

very contrite about his crimes.

Like there was an episode of the HBO anthology series Generation Hustle recorded before

his first prison term in which he told the story of his schemes sounding apologetic but

not very enthusiastically apologetic and also quite defensive.

Like when he explained why after he was indicted, he posted a picture of himself

dressed up as Jordan Belfort.

Belfort being the real life financial scammer played by Leo DiCaprio in Wolf of Wall Street.

Or I try to find a funny situation where people don't think there is, you know, I always

like to have like a light side on a serious note.

There was also the interview he did on the podcast Locked In with Ian Beck, another guy

who'd been charged with financial crimes as a young man.

In the interview, you can hear a difference in how he speaks with this guy, one of his

peers, compared to Ashley, a journalist.

He's blowing it out with Bick.

Like when he told this story about getting served, this super hot girl comes to my door,

right?

And she knocks and I open it and she's like, Hey, are you Sia Ed?

I was like, Yes, I am.

She's like, Hey, here's your paperwork.

You're indicted.

I'm like, what the fuck?

They sent a hot girl to serve me paperwork and it was just extremely crushing.

Sia Ed's been a good chunk of the interview, seeming to blame his strict immigrant parents

for his crimes, saying their rules kept him from learning the difference between right

and wrong.

They had made strict boundaries and I would always ask why, right?

A lot of Southeast Asian kids face this diaspora and just a lot of immigrant kids in general

because they don't understand why they have these boundaries because it seems like it's

a punishment.

In reality, parents think that it's a protective mechanism that they're enforcing, right?

But this inevitably amplifies like the disobedience of the children, like as you see for myself,

I fucking went to prison.

My heart really breaks for his parents.

His dad started calling people, he said, on his own, offering to give them just straight

money.

So his dad was trying to bail him out, which I find even more heartbreaking.

In his conversations with Ashley, Sia Ed seemed to have recognized the gravity of his actions.

He kept calling himself a degenerate, that he had no ethics, no morals, that he has no

friends, he regrets what he did to his victims.

He said that he's trying to pay them restitution, at least the ones that I was able to talk

to said that they haven't received much at all.

But maybe this is just a facade.

It is, after all, in his best interests to come across in his interactions with the journalist

as a man who recognizes the error of his ways.

That's the cynical take.

The more generous one, people grow up.

I still have to accomplish a lot, especially by making my victims whole, but I am strident

towards these goals.

And I have a pretty clear pathway into achieving that are very discreet.

Nothing is unrealistic, everything has a pathway, and it's a very strategic.

And I just love the way that I'm living life right now.

And I'm glad that I was able to have that reset time.

However, inter-conversations Ashley also saw a lot of the Sia Ed from the story you've

just heard.

The person who scammed his friends and their families and just kept going.

There were definite moments of selfishness.

He's just extremely braggadocious.

I would say there were moments in our interviews where he is trying very hard to convince me

that he is a stock genius, that he is an options trading genius.

But yeah, of course he's going to come across as somebody who is sorry.

I hope it's genuine, but I wouldn't gamble on it.

So what is Sia doing now?

He's still in grad school.

He's also, he says, working on the side.

He told me that he's doing what he called independent contracting or just consulting on

structure of businesses and just brokering deals mainly in private equity.

He's working with a cannabis company, he said he wouldn't tell me the name of the cannabis

company.

He's also working at a sort of like almost like a secretarial job.

In other words, he's still hustling just in a different, definitely healthier way.

One thing hasn't changed though, Sia Ed is still dreaming big.

Maybe our third interview, he sent me a treatment for what he envisioned as the multi-abisatic

television series about his life.

And it definitely portrays him as kind of like a misunderstood genius.

The title.

It's called In the Red.

Actually pulled up the document Sia Ed had shared with her.

It says this limited series follows the rise and fall of Sia Ed Arbob, a gifted but prideful

Bengali American student at Georgia Tech.

Sia Ed's journey is more than wealth and status.

It is a search for belonging, validation and peace.

Sia Ed represents a tragic figure in the immigrant experience where the weight of inherited

and self-made dreams threatens to crush him.

Sia Ed is still young.

Time will tell what he does with his life from here.

I can honestly say I do wish Sia Ed turns his life around and I hear nothing but great

things about him and I certainly wish no ill will on him.

The victims I talk to are extremely pissed off and want their money back.

I mean there's one side of me that believes everyone deserves a second chance and he was

young and made all the heinous mistakes you make when you're young and then some.

So I hope that he really does change his ways.

But I also wouldn't be shocked if we learn in a couple years that he's been charged

again.

America is, as they say, the land of opportunity.

Sia Ed Arbob certainly could reinvent himself, people do it all the time.

He could also not change it all and make a fortune all over again.

That can be a movie or a whole new scheme.

Stay tuned.

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On our show Chameleon, we dig into real-world deceptions that are just plain mind-boggling.

Cons, cover-ups, and the people who stop at nothing to hide the truth.

But sometimes, certain events simply defy explanation.

If you're drawn to stories that go beyond the explainable, check out So Supernatural.

Each week hosts and sisters, Russia and Avent, explore strange encounters, larger than

life legends, and stories that defy logic, and they unravel every possibility along the

way.

If you're ready to dive into the unknown, listen to So Supernatural or ever you get your

podcasts.