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The Fed just admitted inflation is spiraling out of control while refusing to do the one thing that actually works—raise rates—and Powell is banking on hope and fantasy to save the economy, but here's why today's gold selloff is the buying opportunity of a lifetime.
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Peter Schiff analyzes the Federal Reserve's decision to hold rates steady at 3.5-3.75% while warning that inflation is spiraling out of control. February's Producer Price Index surged 0.7% monthly - more than double expectations - signaling that inflation is accelerating before Trump's war even began driving oil prices higher. Despite this alarming data, the Fed refuses to hike rates and instead clings to fantasies about future rate cuts based on wishful thinking rather than evidence. Schiff argues that gold and silver's massive selloff following the inflation news represents a buying opportunity, as traders fail to understand that rising inflation with stagnant Fed policy creates negative real rates - extremely bullish for precious metals.
The episode exposes how the current economic situation is far worse than the 1970s stagflation, with national debt at 125% of GDP compared to just 34% in 1980, making aggressive rate hikes impossible despite inflation running well above the Fed's 2% target. Schiff predicts the national debt could hit $50 trillion during Trump's term as war spending explodes, while the housing bubble shows signs of collapse with mortgage applications plummeting. He dismisses Fed Chair Powell's claims that inflation will magically return to target through "moderate" policy, calling it delusional given that the Fed has been wrong about inflation for five consecutive years while consistently missing their forecasts.
Chapters:
00:00 Show Intro and Fed Preview
01:21 Weak Growth and Rising Inflation
05:43 Hot PPI Shocks Gold Markets
16:01 Housing Bubble and GSE Risks
22:12 FOMC Decision and Market Fallout
32:07 Fed Blames Tariffs
33:30 Cuts Based on Faith
36:36 Oil Shocks and Easy Policy
44:05 Stagflation and Debt Trap
56:36 Powell Probe and Gold
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Well earlier today the Federal Reserve did exactly what everybody expected them to do including yours truly
And that was leave interest rates unchanged the Fed funds rate remains at three and a half to three and three quarters
Of course the right thing to have done would have been a substantial rate hike
But of course that did not happen
But what I want to discuss before I get into the details of the Fed's decision and the press conference that followed
I want to talk about some of the economic data that came out before
We got the news that really set the tone for the markets particularly the precious metals markets
We got news on inflation producer prices and this is for the month of February so it's really before Trump started a war
And remember last week I went over the horrible GDP numbers
In fact, I went over them on the Schiff Gold Friday market wrap because I think we got the GDP numbers at the end of the week
So I didn't address them on my main podcast. I did it at Schiff Gold
Make sure you are a subscriber to the Schiff Gold YouTube channel to get the weekly Friday market wraps
But I went over the GDP numbers which shocked everybody in how weak it was
Q4 GDP grew at just 0.7 annualized
Annualized not even 1% economic growth
Donald Trump is talking about this economic boom this miraculous turnaround that he has presided over
And growth is anemic
In fact for all of 2025 GDP grew at 2.2 percent
That's 20 percent below the 2.8 percent
GDP growth from Biden's last year when we supposedly had the worst economy in the history of the world
And now that we have the greatest economy in the history of the world it's substantially weaker than what Trump describes as the worst
In fact there was not a single year where Biden was president where the GDP grew as slowly as it did during Trump's first year
So what is this guy talking about when he's talking about a boom right it's all a fantasy
No, I had listened to an interview with Chris Christie and I forget where he was interviewed
But he was reflecting a recollecting a dinner conversation he had with President Trump
And he said that Trump told him and I have no reason to believe that Chris Christie didn't remember this accurately
Because it seems like it's a statement that you would never forget
He said that the president told him hey Chris you know if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes true
Not that if you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it's true
But that it actually becomes true that you can kind of will a lie
Into being true if you just say it often enough
And that seems what what Trump does with with respect to everything
So he's talking about how the economy is great and hoping if he lies about it often enough that the economy will become great
Because he lies it into into greatness but we have a very weak economy
Now we have more confirmation that inflation is really on the rise
And of course Donald Trump has been taking credit for vanquishing inflation
It's gone it's dead and buried he killed it right we had horrible inflation under Biden and he's already gotten rid of it
The numbers that we got for February just like Q4 GDP numbers were barely growing before the war
Right so if the economy was that week before we were having a war
Imagine how much weaker is going to be now that there is a war assuming the war continues
The same thing with the PPI numbers
These are prices from February
Prices are much higher especially for energy oils about a hundred dollars of barrel right now I could check I got the live quote
99 and a half is West Texas a Brent is above a hundred and ten dollars a barrel
But so oil prices are at least 50% higher now than they were
In February right so wait till we get the March PPI numbers there probably going to be a lot worse but the February was already bad
So the prior increase the January increase was point five
Which in and of itself is a big number
Now the expectation was that it would cool off in February to an increase of point three
In fact point three was the upper end of the range
That had been expected the range went from point one
2.3
The actual number I don't have a drum the role but the actual number was
Point seven percent increase point seven more than double the upper end of the consensus forecast
Think about that number for a minute point seven if you annualize that because unlike GDP numbers that we get this is not an annualized number
Prices were up point seven percent on the month so if they did that every month
You would be looking at like eight point four percent inflation
Eight now this is not consumer prices these are producer prices
But obviously if prices are going up for producers what are they going to do they're not going to eat it right they're going to raise their prices right because
The first to feel the impact of inflation are the producers wholesale
It's not that they're just jacking up their prices right there costs have gone up
And consumers buy retail they don't buy wholesale in most cases
And so they only feel the effects of inflation
after the
Hose seller passes it on
So they get the price increase first and then they give the bad news to their consumers by raising their prices
So if producer prices are going up
Consumer prices are going to go up that's how it works that that's the process
So this is bad news on inflation
Now people are going to say oh Peter you're you know exaggerated you can't annualize point seven
Well why can't I I'm just taking the most recent month and annualizing it
But it's also possible that the next few months are actually worse than point seven
So it may be more than eight point four percent
Now if you just look at the year over a year number now
It's three point four percent so not as bad as my annualized February number but three point four percent
That's well above two
In fact the prior
Year over year increase the January number was two point nine
So in one month the year over year increase in producer prices has gone from two point nine two three point four
That is a huge move in the wrong direction the Fed wants prices to go down right has to get down to the two percent target
We're moving further and further away
Before the war before the increase in oil prices now if you take out food and energy it's actually worse
the
One month increase was actually not worse it was a point five
Which was still
Much hotter than the point three day expected but look at the year over year number three point nine year over year increase in
Core
PPI that's almost four
Double double the two percent target that the Fed claims to have
So this is really bad news the minute this news came out goal tanked
In fact before I even saw the news I saw goal was down about a hundred and fifty dollars. I was like what the hell what happened?
I mean and I went and looked at the PPI and then I knew what happened
And silver was immediately dropped like two and a half bucks
Now the reason for this reaction is the minute this news came out the expectations for Fed rate cuts were paired back significantly
And that was later confirmed you know later today when we got the FOMC announced minute we saw the dots and what everybody is projecting
So the expectations of a rate cut were pushed back in fact a lot of people now believe that there won't be any rate cuts at all for the rest of the year and
The other opinion is that we might get one which is not that many
And and so because
The odds of a rate cut went down
Gold went way down because gold was pricing in or at least the traders believe that gold is pricing in
Rate cuts and now that the rate cuts aren't coming or aren't coming as soon as people had expected
The price of gold sold off it's probably programmed in an algorithm you get hot inflation numbers
You automatically sell gold, right? You don't even have to ask any questions. You just kind of do it automatically
but
This is not bearish for gold nor is it bullish for the dollar
What this does is validates what I have been saying all along what I have been saying for years
Because the Fed has been wrong wall street has been wrong
The Trump administration has been wrong. I've been right
What I've been saying is that inflation is not dead and buried. It's alive and well that it's going to
Make a comeback and it never really went away because the Fed never
Put out the flame that it aborted the fight prematurely that it never should have hiked rates all the rate cuts
That started in the summer of 2023 when the Fed funds rate was five and a quarter to five and a half that basic
You know 200 points almost 150
Basis point rate cuts or hundreds said whatever it was if they were all a mistake
And that the Fed never really put the inflation gd back in the bottle and and now it's you know
It's it's running amok and I've been saying that and so what this data confirms is that the Fed is way behind the curve
That inflation is running out of control and that the Fed has no ability to reign it back in
Because even if the Fed is going to put rate cuts on hold
It's not going to hike that is the key
So what is the reality is it's not that the Fed's failure to cut
Is bearish for gold
It's that the Fed's failure to hike is bullish for gold because it's not nominal rates that count
It's real rates. That's what matters and if inflation surges and the Fed sits on its hands
Even if it doesn't cut rates real rates are plunging. Let's say the Fed were to raise
The Fed funds rate which it isn't even doing
But let's say it raised the Fed funds rate from three and a half to four 50 basis points up
Oh the Fed is tightened
But what if during the same period of time
Inflation goes from three percent to six percent
What's happened to real rates?
They've gone way down. They've gone from positive
50 basis points to negative two hundred basis points
We that is bullish for gold that is bearish for the dollar the traders haven't figured that out yet
They're not thinking long term. They're not connecting the dots
Right, they're not playing chess here. They're just reacting to a move at phase value
And they're just saying oh the Fed's not going to cut. Yes, they're not going to cut
But the bigger point is that they're not going to hike either
Despite what was said today the Fed's not hiking and that is the problem
Inflation is running out of control and that's not bullish for bearish for gold
That is extremely bullish and you should buy today's dip as soon as this podcast is over
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All right, now before I get to the the fed rate
Decision decision discussion. I want to talk about another
Data point that came out earlier today
That confirms
What I have been forecasting and that is the weakness in the housing market
In fact the housing market is a bigger bubble now than it was in the 2000s
And we're headed for as big if not a bigger decline in nationwide real estate prices now as we did then
Which means an even bigger financial crisis
Now
mortgage applications
collapsed in the most recent week
Led down by
Refinances that fell 18 and a half percent
So the total index was down almost 11% with purchase purchase mortgage purchases were pretty flat
But the refined market completely dried up
And the purchase market is going to be drying up because
Mortgage rates are rising along with bond yields
And that's despite the fact that the GSEs
purchased 200 billion dollars
Worth of mortgage-backed securities in order to artificially suppress
mortgage rates to
keep
Bubble-like home prices from deflating
Which of course would help solve the affordability problem
But Trump has made it clear that he doesn't want to solve that problem by creating another problem
Which is real estate prices going down
Which is going to happen
Because when real estate prices are this overpriced
And
Mortgage rates can't really
collapse
The only thing that can happen is prices go down because
Real estate prices are a function of what the buyers can pay
Because ultimately your house is worth what you can sell it for
Not what you want to fantasize about selling it for
Not what you want to pretend that you can sell it for because anybody can put a house on the market
You can list your home for anything and pretend that's what it's worth
But at the end of the day, it's worth what you actually get when somebody buys it
And we're going to start to see some sales as the economy really goes into recession
And the war will help push it there as well as the higher prices that will result
And you're going to see big drops in real estate prices
Which is going to be a huge problem
And that is one of the reason
That shares of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have been imploding
In fact, they were probably the worst performers of the day
I think Fannie Mac was at about 13-15 percent
Fannie Mae rather, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae
They're I mean, they're two separate companies
But you know, they're pretty much the same trade
But Fannie Mae
Closed at $4.63
It got to 16 bucks last year
Now it was a big run up to 16 bucks
On all the talk about an IPO or releasing them from conservatorship
And if you remember, I was saying that this was impossible to do
That you can't really privatize them unless you're willing to let mortgage rates go up
Which Trump doesn't want
So he wanted to have his cake and eat it too
He wanted to try to privatize it
But maintain the government implicit guarantee
Which would make the guarantee explicit which you I would be a disaster
So I was speculating that nothing was ever going to happen and it was just all a bunch of hype
So that some of his donors could cash out the Fannie and Freddie shares that they bought prior to the election
But I think one of the reasons that
The story is quickly evaporating
Not only because of
Fannie and Freddie having bought 200 billion of mortgages that they're now losing money on as mortgage rates are now rising
But I think that people are starting to realize
That Fannie and Freddie
ensures something like seven trillion dollars of mortgages
And if this is a real estate bubble which it is and the real estate bubble is going to pop which all bubbles do
There are massive losses that are coming for these GSEs
Probably bigger than the losses that bankrupted them last time
So who the hell wants to buy into that?
I had to privatize Fannie and Freddie ahead of massive losses
The whole idea was that these businesses are cash cows
They're cash cows as the bubble is inflating
The problem is you got to give all that cash back
When the air comes out
You know, that's what happened before before Fannie and Freddie went into conservative ship
Yeah, they were making money hand over a fist as they were underwriting and ensuring bad mortgages
Then of course when they all went bad was when all the losses piled up and the taxpayers got stuck with them
The same thing is going to happen again. It's ironic. They were talking about hey, let's privatize it
Right
And I'm you know, I knew this was a huge bubble. Yes, they've been making a lot of money
But all the profits of the past simply so the seeds for the losses of the future
Yes, the US government has got a lot of money in Pat prior years
Because of Fannie and Freddie now they're going to have to give all that money back
Because they've guaranteed all these mortgages. They're going to have to make good on the guarantee
Only this time it is explicit because they are in conservative ship
And so there's no doubt now that everybody who is holding debt that is guaranteed by Fannie and Freddie is going to get paid back
The question is where's the money going to come from? Well the money is going to be created out of thin air by the Fed
Just like they do everything else. So it's massive inflation
But you can see that so we got weak housing data
And even the federal knowledge is that housing is probably the weakest part of the economy and the economy is weak overall
And and the president is trying to prop up the market
But anything he does to prop up the market
Ultimately weakens it further and weakens the fundamentals of the economy
But so we've got weak economic data
We've got strong inflation data
And it was with that backdrop
That we got today's FOMC decision
It was nearly unanimous, but there was one descent you could guess who that was
Moran
The you know the president's lackey although
Last time there were three descents and I think there were there were two guys that wanted
A bigger cuffs or one guy that didn't want any cut, you know when they when they did a cut or I think it was
Was that what happened last time was a 20 phase based five basis point cut
But there was one descent who wanted a cut
25 I guess 25 basis point cut
But what is more significant is that not a single FOMC member wanted a hike
And based on the data
A hike is what we need because everything the Fed was claiming
Turns out to have been false the Fed has been wrong about everything
And they don't even admit that you know when when pal was given his prepared remarks
You know
He did mention inflation and he described it as being somewhat elevated
Which I think is one of the most you know
Gross understatement that you can make somewhat elevated
It's not just somewhat elevated. It's way above target
It's at least 50% above target
But if you look at the more recent data. It's more like double the target
So how is that somewhat elevated?
Yeah, I mean inflation was not anywhere near below
The 2% target as it is now above it
Mentioned the housing market is weak and again, I think that's an understatement because it's massively weak
It's about as weak as it's ever been
I mean just you know before the collapse because the reason it's so weak is that nobody can afford to buy houses
Because the prices are too high
Well, we know how that's going to be resolved
But he said that the Fed is attentive to both sides
Of the market but that they are well positioned to deal
With either side meaning that the Fed feels
That if the economy weakens
their positioned
To cut rates and if inflation
Worse gets worse
There's somehow in position to do something there as well, which I don't know what they're going to do
I mean not not cut rates because that's not going to cut it right if inflation is getting worse and all you do is nothing
You know, you're not going to put out the fire by doing nothing right you need you need to hike rates
And you know that ain't happening for a number of reasons
um
So
Pal basically said look we think the Fed funds is pretty much going to stay in the current neighborhood 3.4
Maybe as low as 3.1 over the course of the next year. So maybe a cut right
But he also admitted that policy is not on a preset course
You know that you know, we're going to
remain dated dependent
And it depends on what's on what's on what's going to happen
Anyway, of course most of the interesting stuff
Was not in the prepared remarks
But in the Q&A that followed and again looking at the markets
Most of the damage in the market so though the the the markets ended up closing on their lows gold was down
Close to like 200 bucks $190 silver was down over $4 the Dow was down. I think over 700 points
percentage-wise. I think the Nasdaq was down a little bit less
You know Bitcoin, which had rallied
You know back over 74,000. I think over 75,000
Was down now. It's down about 71,000. It's still hanging in there. I mean, I don't know what's keeping it up
I mean, it's going to collapse any day
But it got another bounce. I mean a lot of buying from Michael sailor. There's a lot of pumping going on
Trying to keep this market from imploding
But you know, it was down
Um, so there you know, it it wasn't as much
But there was one particular comment and I'm going to get to that
You know shortly
That was made during
The Q&A that caused the markets to hit new lows
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One of the things I've already done is I set up a a watch list of a lot of the stocks I own
And I'm scrolling through them now you can see that most of the stocks are in the red right because my stocks
I own a lot of gold stocks that got clobbered most of the green on my screen
Were stocks that went up overnight like in Asia that weren't impacted by the us sell off
And of course, I own a lot of oil stocks and the oil stocks were pretty much all in the green today
But most of my my holdings were in the red
You know the biggest drops in the mining sector
But again, this is a great buying opportunity for those gold mining stocks because the traders
Have got it completely wrong we be 55% off not 50% oh maybe they are
All right, well, I don't know I guess the I guess the sale is 55% off
And then I get an extra 15% on top of that is that is that the deal
Anyway, hopefully that's it, but but we either way. It's a great deal
So just just use my link, but these
This the the gold stocks really sold off they were down like what six percent seven percent
Again, investors don't get it
Higher inflation is good for gold. It's not bad for gold
It doesn't mean that oh no, the Fed is going to just leave rates alone and that's going to do it
That's going to do the trick. It's not going to do the trick
the Fed needs to go
Paul Volker
On inflation and that's not going to happen right we had the Fed has to get medieval and you know
It there's no chance there's no chance of that happening and you can easily
Figure that out if you listen to the press conference, but anyway, let me talk about some of the stuff that went on during today's press conference
So
The first question he got
We should defend look through the war related
Increased in oil prices now first of all oil prices were going up before the war right
But now they're going up even faster
and
defend basically
Or power rather
Basically said look, we're not even going to think about that right now because we're still trying to figure out the effect of tariffs
We're still trying to figure out if the tariff effect is over and that seems to be the more important thing right now
Before we start thinking about oil
Um
And and the guy also said the same guy that asked this question
As pal look you know
You've been above target for five years
In your inflation
Which is true well above target for five years now
And he said
Does the fact that you've basically been so wrong for so long
Does that influence how you're thinking and again
Pal just fell back onto tariffs and he said well, you know
We've had things happen to interfere with our progress
And he said tariffs did that okay, but that was last year
20 tariffs are only an issue in 2025
That's one year out of the five years that they've been way above target
So what's your excuse for all the other years you want to blame 20 25 on tariffs?
Okay, what about 2024? What about 2023? What's your excuse there?
I mean obviously the Fed doesn't have any
They don't want to acknowledge how wrong they've been because you go back
To their forecasts and it's always two percent inflation is coming two percent inflation is coming
And two percent inflation
Never arrives now another reporter asked a good question
Said okay given the fact that the inflation numbers have been hotter than you thought
What is the basis?
for
Cutting why is the committee looking to cut rates and by the way of the of the 19
members, right
12
I think that there'll be one more cut
Between now and the end of the year and seven
Think there'll be no more cuts
Right that the cuts won't happen until 2027, right
But there's still a bias to cutting right because you got 12 members thinking they're going to cut rates
But why if inflation is now higher than it was before
Why are you still thinking about cutting rates when you're not making any progress?
In fact, you're going backwards, right? And this was his answer again. I'm not making this up
Powell said that the reason that they are forecasting
Rate cuts even though
inflation is headed in the wrong direction
Is because their forecast is that they're going to make progress on inflation
Their their forecast is that inflation is going to go down
And because they are forecasting that inflation is going to go down
They are assuming that they're going to cut rates
but
Based on what have they assumed that inflation is going to go down based on nothing
because remember
It at an earlier FOMC meeting
Powell let the cat out of the bag
He said the reason that they forecast two percent inflation is because that's their mandate
And they believe they're going to achieve their mandate
So because their mandate is 2% inflation
They forecast 2% inflation. Not because there's any actual evidence that inflation is going to be 2%
It's because their mandate is 2%
So that's what they want to forecast. And that's what they're doing here
They believe they're going to make progress on inflation because they believe they're going to achieve their mandate
Because our mandate is 2%, they're not going to say we're not going to achieve our mandates.
So they want to say, yes, we believe we're going to achieve our mandate.
And because we believe we're going to achieve our mandate, we believe we're going to cut
rates.
But it's all based on belief and the belief is based on nothing other than a wish.
It's a fantasy.
It's make believe.
This is what they hope.
They're basically saying we hope inflation comes down.
And because we hope inflation comes down and we hope that we're right, we're forecasting
rate cuts based on what we hope happens, happens.
That's basically what they're saying and pal actually admitted that he's made no progress.
He said, despite the fact that we've made no progress, we still believe we're going
to make progress in the future, even though we're basically making no progress in the past.
Now, another question, he said, do you think the higher inflation is based just on the
oil shock?
And he really didn't have an answer to that.
The other he kept saying about oil shocks is that history shows that you should look
past them.
Not really.
I don't know where he's reading that, what history books.
In fact, it didn't work out too well when we looked past it in the 1970s, but he immediately
pivoted that question back to terrorists and he implied or not just implied flat out
stated that the slow progress now was due to terrorists that if it wasn't for these
terrorists, maybe we would be at 2%, but the terrorists have got it all screwed up.
But he also asked him a good question, said, what gives you confidence that inflation
will return to target if your policy is only moderately restrictive, which is a good question.
And the answer is it won't, right?
They even admit that they're not very restrictive, they're, they're, they're moderately restrictive.
No, I don't think they're restrictive at all.
I think they're easy.
I think they're accommodative.
I think rates are way too low.
So they are stoking the inflation fire.
They're not putting it out, they're, they're adding fuel, right?
And, but the reporter said, well, what makes you so confident?
And he didn't even answer the question.
He just pivoted over to tariffs again.
And he said, well, we're waiting to see what happens with tariffs.
He says that we're hoping that when the tariffs worked our way through, that we're going
to go back to the low goods inflation that we had of the past.
He said, back in the past, goods prices didn't really go up very much.
They were flat to negative.
And so we're just hoping that it goes back to the way it was in the past.
Well, why?
Why should it go back to the way it was in the past?
Look at all the money we've created.
Look at all the inflation we've created.
And look at what's happening with the dollar.
We know, and look at what's happening with trade.
Why would we go back to the way things were in the past?
There's no reason to expect that.
It's actually different.
The cheap goods that we got in the past are in the past.
In fact, Donald Trump has made that clear.
The goal of the Trump administration is to stop importing cheap products.
That's the whole purpose of the tariffs.
That's what Trump wants.
He wants the world to stop ripping us off by selling us cheap stuff.
Well, the reason we got cheap goods in the past was because of that ripoff.
Because we got to import all this stuff.
Well, if we can't import it all because the tariffs make it more expensive.
And now we got to make the stuff ourselves.
When we do that, it costs more money.
Well, that benign effect, those low goods prices that Powell is counting on to bail us out
to come back.
They're not going to happen.
You know, he's got like an ostrich.
He's got his head in his sand and he can't see what's going on.
So he should have no confidence.
There is no way inflation is going back to 2%.
Either the Fed knows that and just doesn't want to admit it or they don't know it.
Because that's how ignorant they are.
Now somebody asked them to how high, like you know, would would prices have to go up?
Oh, I'm going to hold that hold out for a second.
Now he reiterated that there is a risk that inflation could go higher and there's a risk
that the economy and the labor market can get weaker.
And Powell said we are prepared that if the economy gets weaker than we think, if the
labor market gets weaker, we can cut rates.
And that is the appropriate policy for weakness in the labor market is to cut rates.
And he said, however, if inflation is higher and basically the way they assess the risks
and at least they assess it correctly.
The risk to the labor market is that it gets weaker and the risk to inflation that it
gets higher.
So there are risks to both sides of the mandate that have opposite policy responses.
And he acknowledged that dilemma, although he downplayed significantly the extent of it.
But he said we're ready to cut rates if we need to.
But if inflation is stronger than we think, we can raise rates because that argues for
higher rates.
And then he immediately corrected himself and said, well, we can at least not cut them.
So at first he said that we may raise raise and he's well, well, no, we'll just not
cut them.
So that's how they're going to fight inflation by not cutting rates, not by hiking them,
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But that's not enough, that won't cut it.
If inflation is going up, you need to get ahead of the curve, you need to get aggressive
on your rate cuts.
If you just leave rates where they are, you fall further and further behind the curve
as inflation accelerates and you're staying still, right?
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pal about rate hikes if the subject had come up.
And he said, yes, in their discussion, the possibility that the next move on rates could
be a hike that was raised.
So they talked about it.
Maybe for the first time they talked about, is it possible?
Maybe we'll have to raise rates.
Now he downplayed it by saying, look, nobody believes we're going to raise rates.
Nobody has that in their model, but the possibility did come up and that really hit the markets
again.
But I'm sure if somebody brought up the possibility, it was quickly shot down, they're not going
to do it.
And I think that was obvious when pal corrected himself about hiking rates in response to
higher inflation and walking that back to not cutting them.
So basically there are two things that the Fed is considering, cutting rates or not cutting
rates.
They're not considering hiking rates, but by any objective measure, that's what they
should do.
Now of course we have a weak economy.
So hiking rates are going to harm the economy, but you know what, that's what you have to do.
We had a weak economy when Volker put interest rates up to 20% and in fact it made the economy
weaker obviously.
So we've got a big inflation problem and it can't be solved without some sacrifice.
You're going to have to weaken the economy, especially when the economy is a bubble.
Part of the reason for inflation is excess consumption, excess spending as a result of cheap
money.
You take the cheap money away, you take this consumption away, you take the spending away.
Well, there's all the GDP.
So the GDP has to collapse.
You can't get rid of the inflation without getting rid of the phony GDP growth that the
inflation has created, which is why they're not going to do it.
Now one of the most ridiculous responses had to do with stagnation.
Somebody asked Powell has the Fed considered the risks of stagnation.
Now of course, we already have stagnation.
So they're basically saying have you considered what's actually happening?
The actual economic environment that we're in can best be described as stagnation.
So it's already there.
I mean, so you're basically saying have you considered the actual reality of the current
situation?
Has that ever come up?
And Trump, I mean, Powell immediately caught, you know, distance the economy from
stagnation by saying, look, we don't even have anything close to the stagnation.
He says, I don't know how you define stagnation, but I define it as what happened in the
1970s and he said there we had double digit inflation.
We had very high unemployment and he said today it's nothing like that.
He said we have historically low unemployment and inflation is only 1% above our target.
So we have low inflation, we have low unemployment.
So I don't even consider this stagnation.
So I don't know why you're even talking about it, right?
So first of all, stagnation doesn't only relate to the 1970s.
It simply is a condition of slow economic growth, check, we got that and higher inflation.
Check, check, we got that too.
Yes, we don't have double digit inflation yet.
We're not in recession yet, but those are not conditions that make stagnation possible.
They just mean it's a lot worse.
If you have recession, not just stagnation.
If you have really high inflation, then I think it's like an inflationary depression.
That's really where we're headed.
But you can't forget that one of the reasons that if you just do a numbers to numbers comparison,
which is what Powell was doing.
If you just compare the official inflation rate today to the official inflation rate in
the 70s, and you compare the official unemployment rate with the official unemployment rate.
You're not making an apples to apples comparison.
I don't even think you're making an apples to orange a comparison, right?
You're making an apples to bricks.
They have nothing to do with one another because the methodology for computing, both unemployment
and inflation, has so dramatically changed over the decades that they have no relation
to one another.
If you wanted to compare inflation and unemployment now to the 70s, you would have to adjust how
we compute it now.
You would have to use the same methodology that we use in the 70s to the same data sets.
And if you did that, you would find that both inflation and unemployment are at least
double what we are currently reporting.
And if you double our inflation rate and double our unemployment rate, you get similar
to what we had for most of the 1970s, which we concede was bad.
We have the same thing today, which is not acknowledging it.
We're pretending it doesn't exist because we've made it disappear through the magic of
government statistics.
But the other thing that Powell said about the 1970s was he said that the risks that we
face now are nothing like the 1970s, meaning that the 70s were way worse than, I mean,
we got it easy now.
I mean, don't worry, it's not nearly as bad as the 70s.
He said all we got now was a little tension between our policy goals, right?
Nothing to really be concerned about.
I mean, the one thing he got right in a way was what he said that it's nothing like
the 1970s.
And in that sense, I agree only in that it's way worse than the 1970s.
That is the difference.
See in the 1970s, the national debt was not even a trillion dollars.
It didn't even get to a trillion until the early 80s.
So we didn't have all this debt.
You know, I think our debt to GDP back then, I don't know, was it 30, 40 percent?
Let me take a look at that, let's see if I have it, national hold on, because I wanted
to bring this up anyway, but let me look at the national debt, let's see if it has that
just off the top of the head, debt to GDP.
So 1980, yeah, so 1980, our debt to GDP was 34 and a half percent, 34 and a half.
Now it's 125 percent of GDP.
It was 34 and a half, again, this is just a bond of debt.
I'm not talking about any of the unfunded liabilities.
And obviously during the 70s, it may have been a little less than that because we were
racking up a lot of debt, you know, in the 70s.
So during the 70s, it was, it was probably a bit lower than that.
But let's say, let's, you know, it's 34 percent.
And so we had the ability in 1980 to put an end to the high inflation.
We were able to raise interest rates to 20 percent because we could afford to pay 20
percent because we didn't have a lot of debt.
And the majority of the debt that we had was financed with 30 year bonds.
So even though we had to pay 20% to issue new bonds, we still had locked in a lot of
debt at very low rates that we didn't have to worry about.
Contrast that to the current situation where we have 39 trillion in debt.
In fact, just yesterday, for the first time, the national debt, it clips 39 trillion.
So we will be at 40 trillion shortly.
In fact, the war is going to make sure we get there even faster.
In fact, Donald Trump, they're already thinking about an extra 50 billion in an emergency
defense appropriation to fund the war, which of course is just going to be a down payment.
Now nobody is asking for a tax hike to cover that.
Nobody is saying, hey, let's cut spending someplace else to offset the extra 50 billion for
defense.
No, let's just borrow it, throw it on top of the debt pile with everything else.
Again, Donald Trump says we have to sacrifice to win the war.
And by sacrifice, he means higher gas prices, right?
We need some short term pain for long term gain.
Okay, how about let's sacrifice and pay for the war?
How about government spending cuts or tax hikes to cover the 50 billion, which again,
is just a down payment.
What about the next 50 billion and the next 50 billion?
Where's all that going to come from?
Well, we know where it's going to come from.
We're going to borrow it.
It's going to be more debt and it's going to be more inflation.
In fact, I think there is a chance that during the remainder of Trump's term, which is
what, about three years, the national debt might hit 50 trillion, 50 trillion.
That would be an extra 11 trillion, which is what three and a half trillion a year in
debt.
Very easy to do that.
We go into recession that lowers tax revenue, increases expenditures.
We know interest rates are going up that increases the cost of pay, of servicing the debt.
And the war is going to add a tremendous amount of spending, even if we win, we're going
to have to pay to rebuild.
So even if there's peace, we get stuck with another tab after we pay for the war.
So this is going to be a massive increase, but the point I'm making about the comparison
between now and the 1970s is that we have all this short term debt.
And so if interest rates just went to 10%, let alone 20%, let's not even talk about 20.
Let's talk about 10.
And obviously, if rates went to 20% in 1980, when we were a much better credit risk than
we are now, when our debt to GDP was only 35%, and now it's 125%, when we had a trade
surplus instead of a trade deficit, when we were a creditor nation instead of a debtor
nation.
In fact, we were the world's biggest creditor, now we're the world's biggest debtor.
We were a much better credit risk in the 70s than we are now.
And so given the deterioration in our credit quality, we should be paying higher interest
rates that we paid back then.
But let's assume that it's only 10%.
How are we going to pay 10% on 40 trillion in debt?
That's $4 trillion a year in interest.
The government only collects $5.4 trillion in taxes, but how much tax revenue would
the government collect if interest rates were 10% of fraction of what it is now?
In fact, my belief is that if interest rates went to 10%, government tax revenue would
collapse and they wouldn't even get $4 trillion a year in tax revenue.
But we would owe $4 trillion a year in interest on the debt, not right away.
It would take a few years to cycle through.
But remember, we keep adding debt.
If we're adding $3 or $4 trillion of new debt a year, all of that new debt has to be
financed at 10% and all the debt that matures has to be rolled over at 10%.
It's not going to be long before our interest expense exceeds 100% of our tax revenue.
Now of course, before we got anywhere close to that, we would have a major sovereign
debt crisis, which we could be having soon.
So when Powell just brushes over stagflation and claims, oh, we got nothing to worry about.
It's nowhere as near as bad as the 1970s.
We got a lot to worry about because we're in much worse financial position than we were
in the 1970s and he knows he can't hike rates.
All the Fed is thinking about doing to fight inflation is to not cut rates, but that won't
work.
If rates are already too low, when money supply is growing, when credit supply is growing,
and it's continuing to grow, we have a massive problem.
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Um, another thing that that that Powell mentioned, and they do this all the time to try to deflect
blame when he talked about the big inflation that we had coming out of the pandemic.
He said that we had this inflation all over the world and it happened everywhere.
And the reason the Fed likes to remind everybody that inflation was a global problem and not
an America problem is to try to say, look, it wasn't our fault.
There was nothing we could do.
Inflation happened all over the world so you can't blame us.
And that is all BS.
The reason inflation happened all over the world is central banks all over the world
made the exact same mistake.
So that doesn't get the Fed off the hook.
Just be false.
The ECB had bad policy just because the bank in Japan had bad policy just because all these
other central banks had bad monetary policy and they all slashed interest rates and printed
a lot of money, doesn't let the Fed off the hook for doing the same thing.
In fact, the fact that there was inflation all over the world in response to the fact
that every country in the world did the same wrong thing that just proves it, right?
No country escaped inflation because every country made this mistake, right?
Every country said, oh, we got to cut interest rates.
We got to print money.
We got to have our people stay home and we got to flood the economy with cash, right?
That was a boneheaded move, but all the central bankers made it because they all read from
the exact same playbook.
The final point I want to make before I sign off for today, Powell did acknowledge that
he is not going anywhere.
Even after his term is up and we have a new Fed chair, as long as the investigation,
the criminal investigation, grand jury investigation against him is open.
He ain't resigning.
He's staying at the Fed.
And I think the reason he's doing that is leverage because he knows that Trump wants him
gone so he can, Trump can replace Powell with another one of his lackeys.
And so what Powell's going to say as well as long as you're going to continue to investigate
me, I ain't going anywhere.
And so the only way that Powell's going to resign is if they close the investigation
and give him a clean bill of health, which I know from experience, they never do, right?
You know, the government investigated me for tax evasion and money laundering for over
two years.
And that was, you know, 20, 20 is they started the investigation in 2020.
They ended it mid 2022, right?
Found no evidence that I did anything wrong.
So the grand jury disbanded, nobody was indicted, nobody at the bank was indicted, none of
the customers have ever been indicted.
Nobody associated with the bank was ever indicted.
I was never indicted.
But the government never closes the investigation.
I asked my lawyer about this.
He said, look, can we get the government to officially say the investigation is over and
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And they said, no, they never do that.
They never admit that they found nothing.
They never admit that they stopped investigating you.
It's just, they just don't do anything, right?
They don't charge you, but they don't say, you know, you're innocent.
They just don't do anything.
And which I think is unfair, especially when they illegally leak the investigation.
And in my case, it was worse because they implied that I was guilty, even though they knew
I was innocent.
But if they know that the investigation has been leaked, the least they could do is
admit, you know what, we didn't find anything, the guy was clean.
But they don't do that, even in my case.
Now obviously the PAL investigation wasn't leaked, everybody knows, right?
You know, it's not a secret investigation.
They made the whole thing public that PAL is under investigation by this grand jury.
But even then, it would be a stretch to actually get the government to do this.
But maybe PAL is trying to leverage the fact that he's got this one card he can play,
which is I ain't leaving.
And see if you can get the Trump administration and the Justice Department to do something
they never do.
And that is admit that an investigation is over and that they found no evidence of wrong
doing.
But anyway, that's it for today again, I'm going to do a shift gold Friday market wrap
on Friday.
We'll see if we get a big bounce back in the price of gold and silver, maybe cooler heads
will prevail.
You know, we're at 4834 right now on gold.
So we're below 5,000.
I've been saying that any move below 5,000 probably won't hold and that we won't stay below
5,000 for long.
We'll see if I'm right.
We can get back above 5,000 by the end of the week.
Silver is about 75, 66.
It's been very volatile, but it's still all the volatility is way north of the $50 break
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So silver is still a massive breakout as far as I'm concerned.
So by golden silver, but the biggest pullback has been in the mining stocks.
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But we're going to get some phenomenal earnings, even if the price of gold and silver
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