FKN Classics Double Feature! Jery McKinney - Reality Puzzle | Jeremy Ryan Slate - Fall of Romerica

0:00Enjoy these back-to-back classic forbidden knowledge news episodes. Today I want to welcome Jerry McKinney. He is an explorer of ancient wisdom and modern ideas, blending philosophy, science, and spirituality to challenge conventional thinking. With a focus on introspection and integration, he seeks to bridge the gap between the unseen and the practical. His work involves holistic life coaching and a high frequency clothing label launching in 2025. Jerry, welcome. How you doing? Doing great. Thank you for having me on. Excited to speak with you. Thanks so much for coming on. This is going to be great. You're one of those people that are using your creativity to bring about positive changes. That can be integrated into many aspects of our everyday lives. You offer holistic life coaching, and you're also going to be launching which you call a high frequency clothing label next year.

1:01I'd love to hear all about that. You also have some very interesting theories relating to the nature of this human experience, which we'll discuss as well. This is your first time on. Before we get into anything, tell us more about yourself and the work you're involved with. Certainly. I have a little bit of a unique background. I grew up as a pastor's kid. I was in school for theology at the age of 14 and already teaching classes by the time I was in my 20s. I always had this fascination with fashion. It began with wanting items that weren't in existence. I was like, oh, maybe I can make them. I got my first sewing machine while I was in junior high and started making wallets and that kind of thing. Eventually, towards schools and realized that men's fashion wasn't something that you could do exclusively.

2:02But it was more of an elective and women's fashion was more of the focus. I really dove into women's fashion and said, okay, well, let me see if I can do this for my education and I'll enjoy this. I ended up appreciating it as this really underrated art form. The best talent really goes to women's fashion. Through all of that and through my upbringing, I ended up taking these different routes through creative roles and working in finance for a while, ended up being a theology professor for a while. I've found a way to combine a lot of these different things that I've been interested in. A lot of it has to do as well with a health journey that I've been on where I ended up losing 50 pounds. I went from drinking half a bottle of whiskey a day to I haven't drank in a few years

3:04and it's not so much that like I'm sober, it's more, I just don't even want to drink. I don't want to do that to my brain is kind of where I'm at and I like the sharpness that I've been able to have and the mental clarity. And so then going from beyond just the health aspect of diet and all of this, I started to realize, what are we taking into our clothing? Because if we're sitting in this stuff all day long, why haven't we taken this beyond just what we're consuming to what's getting into our bloodstream through our clothes? And what is the healthiest thing that we're able to wear that would be good for not just our health but spiritually speaking as well? Were there any profound events along your path that really led you to your current understandings of the nature of this experience and your spiritual experiences? Certainly. So there was a lot of really pivotal books.

4:05So one that really opened me up coming from a Christian background is called The Spirit of the Disciplines by Dallas Willard. And what I hadn't realized is that I was very much divided from my body. And I was having issues with this association and kind of the faith movement of like you don't say negative things, you don't really feel these negative feelings. It had driven this division between my body and my spirit and we would often have these kinds of interpretations of the scripture that it's a flash more and against a spirit. And we need to do these things to get more into the spirit and more out of the flesh. But Dallas Willard really outlined this in a way that he said, what spiritual action are you able to do without your physical body? So that kind of opened up the door for it for me. And then I ended up going through some really profound and devastating life events.

5:05My dad had gotten cancer. I had had a falling out with my family. I was no longer working at the church because I was going through a divorce and I ended up living in my car for three months. And while I was living in my car, my ex-wife was pregnant with her third daughter. And all of this, I was at the worst place. I was at rock bottom. And I came across this book by this author, Jackson McKenzie, called Hole Again, that really got into this embodiment practice and somatic therapy. And for the first time in my life, I discovered how to embrace unconditional love and to not feel responsible for other people's thoughts and feelings. But to release so much of that baggage, so it's like these steps, like I had to have the Dallas Willard that would say, okay, this is okay within a Christian mind frame that you grew up in and that kind of system, then to lead into this hole again. But then through that too, I ended up finding a therapist

6:07and getting into a study that was being run out of Japan for the type of therapy called AEDP, which is a somatic type therapy. And I got a super discounted rate because I didn't have a lot of money at the time, living in my car. And it was like going from reading a book about the gym to getting a physical trainer, the difference and the amount of things that it really unlocked for me. And this helped me to decode so much of the dogma that I've grown up in and to be able to release some of that stuff and kind of move into a new season. And I found all these profound things. So this really led to the weight loss journey and being able to quit alcohol, being able to establish a new life. And it was this really profound kind of set of circumstances that allowed me to move into this. Could you tell us a little bit more about what somatic therapy and AEDP is? Right. So I always forget the acronym of AEDP,

7:09but kind of what's most helpful anyways, is just to kind of talk about the process. So if you're sitting with a somatic therapist, what they're going to do is get you out of the narrative. So traditionally in talk therapy, you sit there, you talk about your problems, they talk back. And that can be really beneficial to have this kind of conversation space without judgment and to verbally process some of your emotions. But a somatic therapy type would be totally contrary to that, in the sense that you're actually locating feelings in your body. So a lot of people now have read this book, The Body Keeps a Score, and they've realized that trauma is stored in the body. And this is something that neurologists and different people in the field are really coming to the conclusion of. Then there is trauma locked up in our body that can lead to disease. It can lead to mental issues. And what a lot of people don't get to is to the point of,

8:10okay, how do you release that trauma that's held up in your body? How do you go about the steps of letting go of that? And moving past it and allowing that to leave your body. So a somatic therapy, you'd be sitting down with your therapist, and you'd start telling a story about some traumatic event or something that happens to you. And they'd be like, okay, pause that. And you'd be thinking, I'm in the middle of this really important story. It seems so important that I'm having these aha moments. And I'm really getting to the root of like what screwed me up in life. But they'd say, stop, stop talking. What are you feeling? What are you feeling right now in your body? And you have to develop this whole new lexicon. And it does feel a lot more like working out than it does like having a conversation because it is this physical work. And so you start to describe emotions, but you're using a narrative again.

9:11You're using storytelling again. And they just gently guide you back to, no, like describe this sensation that you're having in your body. Because of a feeling is that into sensation in our body. And as you do that, it's really profound. The way that these messages come through. And it's like that thing, that tightness or that ache or that pain or that sharp stabbing. It was trying to tell you something. It was a messenger. And it was saying, hey, like you got to pay attention to this. But we had developed above that all of this storytelling and all this other stuff that didn't really address the root of it. So it's a really uncomfortable process, but extremely transformative as well. Now you mentioned how you use these therapies to escape your personal dogma and trauma behind that. And I find that so interesting how so many people have trauma behind the childhood experiences with religion and the dogma behind that.

10:22And in your talking point, you mentioned you had experiences of apparitions while trying to release the fear of hell. Could you tell us a little bit more about that? Certainly. So it is pretty intriguing when you get into the doctrine of hell. And you talk to a Christian about it because there is a pretty strong response generally that hell is definitely real. And the greatest advocates for how being the people who don't think they're going there is a peculiar thing to note. Because why are we advocating so hard for something that you don't think you're going there. So you want other people to go there. And I could think of nothing I'd like to do more than to burn hell to the ground, although it's already underground and it's already on fire. So I don't know if that's possible. But to release some of that attachment to this doctrine. And so this has led me to a tremendous amount of biblical study.

11:24But more from this frame point that I'm not beginning with plenary verbal inspiration or this idea that every word is inspired by God. Or all of it is inspired by God down to the choice of words. But beginning with the looser kind of mindset, not this mindset that saying I have to disprove every letter of this and unwrite it and everything about it has got to be wrong. And the Vatican has changed every single word of it and perverted it. But instead this because what I've realized is there's not a more prolific book than the Bible. There's probably around 8 million copies in circulation. So there's enough individual Bibles for one person or for every person in the world to have one. On average, Americans have four Bibles each. And then that's just kind of wild to think. And I think that we've lost touch with something with mythos.

12:28We've lost touch with something with allegory. And it recently occurred to me how long was it between Plato's allegory of the cave and the modern concept of cave people or Neanderthals. And what do we lose when we shift our understanding from the allegory of the cave to the actual science of and the archaeology of finding cave people. And I think it's really symbolic of where we're at in terms of society. And where we've advanced to that our emphasis has become more on science than it has become on the virtue on the wisdoms on the lessons that we can garner from these things. And one of the things that Greek philosophers talk about that I think is really powerful is not just knowing truth or having this kind of mental understanding of it, but having the right relationship to truth. And I think that's a really powerful shift that we can do.

13:29And thinking about this podcast appearance and coming on with you, one of the things that I've been contemplating is just I want to advocate for wisdom. And how we can regain and recapture some relationship that we can have to wisdom because I've listened to a bunch of your podcasts. And I love what you're doing. I think it's so incredible. And I listened to a lot of podcasts in general. And I'm just noticing this trend through a lot of podcasts that we have this truth or community, these people that are very into uncovering things. And the next conspiracy theory and what's the truth about this what's really going on. And I think it is a very good place to be in as a culture because we're uncovering a lot of things. But as we become maybe more obsessed with truth than where is wisdom in the equation?

14:31Where is the wisdom that informs our life and helps us live well and helps us relate well to this truth that we're encountering. You also mentioned earlier that you studied theology from a very young age and how the Bible is probably one of the most prolific books that we can read. Here talking points, you have a 4D puzzle theory. We are in a very technological age and our understanding of the nature of reality is related to our technological understandings. We're speculating if this reality is some sort of simulation. I'd love to get your thoughts on why we're here. What is the nature of this human experience and what is your 4D puzzle theory? Yeah, so the 4D puzzle theory, it's one that has not been very popular because it is kind of unanchoring.

15:35And it has this way of kind of questioning everything because I think that the nature of existence is infinitely complex and it's impossible for any one person to understand. So if I were to stick to the simple stuff with the 4D puzzle theory, whether you think of this in a theistic view or you think of this as coming from source, I think we all come from one thing. And coming from that one thing that then we separate into many things, which is why we experience a very individual kind of life. And then I think that what we see through near death experiences and the reports that come back from those is that there's a uniting to the whole. There's this new connection that we have to one another. So my thought would be that we don't lose our individuality, but there's this new understanding that we have after life of the lives of others and the feelings of others.

16:44And I find it really intriguing if you look at really simple things or you consider really simple things. For instance, you've never seen your own face. You've never seen it the way that another person has never once. And even if you get a mirror like there are special mirrors that reflect your face the way that other people see it. So you're not seeing it in a 3D manner the way that that other person one. And then you could even question if we've seen anyone else's face in real time, because there is the speed of light at least it takes from their face to get into your retina, then for your brain to process. So with this we just have a very limited understanding of self. We have a very limited understanding of others. One of the things that I've been thinking about a lot lately is Ludwig Vittenstein.

17:44So he has this concept of a beetle box like these little children going out and each collecting a beetle. But no one can look into each other's beetle box. Only the children can describe the beetle to each other. And in this concept, he illustrates this really profound thought about our own human suffering and how it's like we have this beetle within that it's like our suffering. And we try to describe it with words and we talk about the colors of it or the experience of it. But we can't really show someone else our suffering. We can't really describe that in a way that they're going to be able to understand it. And I believe that this goes way far beyond just our suffering. I don't know what happiness is like for you. I only know what happiness is like for me and there might be similarities and I can assume certain levels of similarities. But it's going to be a different experience for you.

18:46So getting back to the puzzle theory and kind of how I think of this world. I think that no matter how much you study, no matter how much you talk to other people, no matter how many books you read, no matter how many experiences you have with plant medicine, or how many experiences you have of a transcendent kind of spiritual state, that you'll never fully understand this existence. And I almost see it like a video game or something that as soon as you get to the end of the map, it's spawning more map. And it's allowing further exploration and part of the nature of this experience, I think is found in what exists here and does not exist in the afterlife or exists in the afterlife and doesn't exist here. So this is kind of where I get back to the near death experiences. So if I want to know something about Italy because I'm planning to travel to Italy, I could talk to someone that's read a lot of books about Italy or has heard a lot of things about Italy or has seen it in their head or has had some kind of version that they can tell me or I can speak to someone who's been to Italy.

20:02And what's going to be kind of more reliable information is far as what might be in Italy. So when it comes to the near death experiences, the main reports that we get back from these individuals because there's a lot of researches that have figured out the common themes as far as what happens. And two of the most primary things are this idea of like unconditional love and a unification with people and kind of this oneness or this connection, at least that the separation we're experiencing right now is more of an illusion. Interestingly, we do see some of these things mirrored in quantum physics and idea of quantum entanglement and this interconnectedness that's even faster than the speed of light even faster than I'm able to perceive the light that's coming from your face. There's a connection on a quantum level between things.

21:02So when I'm hearing these stories about near death experiences and when I'm looking at the nature of the afterlife or what happens after here, I say, well, what's different about this realm, what's different about this incarnation and this experience and some of the massive differences are separation are not feeling unconditional love but feeling conditional love. Our time in itself are suffering are this kind of waiting that we have to do and the lack of that instant type of connection to what we want or to other people. And I think that there's something really sharp there as far as understanding why we're here by what isn't there. And by what is in the afterlife and being able to contrast those two.

22:04And so that comes back to the beetle box and this suffering because one of the things I think leads us to figure out the meaning and the purpose of life most and causes people to grapple with it the most is suffering. And we're always trying to explain the way the suffering. Yet I think that in some ways it is a feature and not a bug because you'll find some really interesting studies that kind of point to this that you'll have people that they're able to press a button that gives them an electric shock and a study. And they can do that or they can just sit and wait and they find that people just sit there pressing the button over and over again just to escape the boredom. And they'd rather have the suffering than have nothing because it at least is something interesting or I think kind of a funny way to illustrate this is when you smell something terrible and there's someone next to you and you say, hey smell this.

23:06Like what would make you want to smell that like it's unpleasant. But there is something interesting and connective about that and I think that the suffering that we experience in this world that we can use that then to we want to join a group that has a good explanation for it and they have all the answers and they're going to tell us why the suffering takes place. Meanwhile that that beetle box it's very individual in our experience of that pain is very individual. And so finding it in a group it may not give us the best answers every time. I love that this is such an important message right now is a very difficult time for people especially for those who are becoming aware that there's something fundamentally wrong with the way their previous perception of the world was especially with the rapid changes that we're experiencing. And there does seem to be this wave of awareness coming over people and unfortunately there's a lot of people that are subscribing to the perspective that this experience here is some sort of trap that we're stuck here that we are being siphoned from by negative intelligences and reincarnation is all about recycling us just so that we can be fuel for what we're doing.

24:34The fuel for whatever the negative intelligence is and I think this is a unfortunate perspective that a lot of people come to throughout their journey especially when they're in the conspiracy realms and they are trying to find these answers a lot of these theories are permeating right now because of the time that we're in our internet and the social media is being flooded with basically bad information that becomes difficult to find. That becomes difficult to decipher through but I really enjoy that perspective and what would you tell people that have this unfortunate perspective that this reality is just a trap. Right so that's something I've spent a lot of time contemplating like whether or not this could be a prison planet I found a lot of great things from the nostics and so this idea of like the dim urge and all of this. I've had this big resistance within and joining a group and like being part of this larger movement because of my background with dogma but when it comes to the prison planet concept my biggest resistance to that if this is a prison planet first off it's the best prison that's ever existed right right right because the amount of freedom that we have because if you think of if you're comparing to prisons you might compare the safety of that you might compare it to the safety of that you might compare it to the safety of that.

25:59You might compare the food that they have you might compare the comfort levels of the cells you might compare how much freedom I don't I can't think of a single prison that would allow this much freedom that would allow this much comfort that would allow this much joy and to me if this is a prison planet then our body is the shackles. Our body then would essentially be that prison so it's it's one of the gripes that I have with kind of the red pill kind of language because if we really are in this matrix then the red pill would be suicide. And I don't think that that would be the best thing to advocate for because maybe we have more to do here maybe we have more to learn here maybe we have more experience. And so when you begin to think of our body as this prison then you kind of get into this this dissociative behavior that you're not connecting to your body so this is where I like something like a Greg Brayden so Greg Brayden had done these studies looking into our DNA and and trying to figure out the signature on the DNA like who made us who edited us like is there some way in the DNA through geometry of the DNA.

27:22Then to figure out who made us maybe the artist left the signature and what he ended up coming down to and it was confirmed in all four languages through geometry is God eternal and human flesh and you'll even see this through the Bible that our bodies like into a temple. And I think that if we cause a separation from our body then we will experience this life as a prison but if we're able to connect to our body that's where we're seeing some of these really incredible almost magic level of kind of abilities then that people are seeing healing take place that people are doing an actual travel like all the breath work all the drinking of water all of these things. They've been hugely beneficial to people and I would I would advocate if you hear someone talking prison planet like which I don't mean to like insinuate that they're wrong word because really I don't think it's a good practice.

28:28I think everyone is a little bit right and I think that as each part of the puzzle that we have a piece of the larger picture. And by doing this judgment or by trying to relate everything under one theory and to unify everything under one theory I don't think the universe likes that I don't think that this existence likes that but there's going to be a constant resistance to it because even if we did come up with one what does that mean from someone else's beetle box what does that mean from their experience there's a universe inside of each of us. And we don't know how another person is experiencing the universe therefore how can we unify it all under one thing but back to the prison planet concept. I have this thing now I don't want to go to a doctor that's overweight right I just I just don't right right and like a nutritionist like when you look at whose in our government that is advocating for health and and is really good.

29:34And is running department of nutrition and it's like this person looks anemia or this person looks morbidly obese and they're telling me to drink soda and eat a lot of glyphosate and all these different things I don't think I'm going to do that. One of the things that I've noticed within the spiritual community is you can visually see a disassociated person then you see their body is speaking as well as their words and applying the same thing like and I really don't need to be rude and I don't mean this at any specific person but if if you're having like weight issues and like your eyes are shallow and like there's some kind of thing going on physically that we can see then maybe when you're telling us a prison planet that's more of a personal thing. And that's that's more of a personal perspective and you might be separated from your body because then in that case your body is the prison and I don't think our body is a prison.

30:44I think our body is this expression of divine it is the most incredible thing because that that would be the the first and number one thing that exists here but doesn't exist in the afterlife is this kind of material body that we have and I think we got to make friends with it and find ways to connect to our body and find ways to release the trauma find ways through all these modalities that have been coming up recently I think are very powerful. That involve like a greater emphasis on exercise kind of these things to jolt us away like a cold plunge these the emphasis on not putting chemicals all over us all the time and being able to clean things up and it's really incredible when you start to go down this path how you're thinking clears and how your emotions clear and how you build this greater relationship with yourself instead of feeling like we're stuck in the same way. Feeling like we're stuck here and everything is terrible.

31:45Through my journey I've come to realize for me that the most important things in my reality that I can focus on is how I view things my perception and the fuel for what brings beauty and wonderful things in my life is my willingness to participate with it the imagination and creativity. That I put out behind it it seems to be this fuel for positive outcomes and positive energy and it perpetuates it and I know I've been saying this for years and it sounds like new age will be us but it's the absolute truth our perception is everything. Definitely my uncle used to say attitude is everything and I really hated that phrase when he used to say it but I've recently been coming back to it and that's not to say you won't experience deep pain but it's a perspective of that deep pain that you have and if I were to leave people with a somatic practice there's an author called Tara Brock and she has this idea called rain and so record it.

32:59And so recognize allow investigate non-identify so a lot of people don't even get past the R of that of recognizing like I'm having a big feeling like I'm having a big sensation and often we don't notice a feeling in real time we notice a feeling once it's become a large breaker like we don't see this swell we don't see the undercurrent we just see this massive like burst of anger and we're thinking why am I so pissed off. Like why am I so depressed and we only recognize it once it's escalated to that point but if you can learn to recognize early on what those feelings are that you're having those big feelings then you can move on to the next step which is to allow and this is something that is really difficult because we feel like we're going to be swallowed alive by those feelings and especially when it comes to these negative feelings right and to be honest like I I came to this point of realizing I didn't know what I was going to do.

33:59I didn't trust my happy feelings. I didn't trust feeling good because of a fear of hell because like that was going to lead to some kind of ego or because maybe I was feeling good because I was doing something bad and sometimes doing something bad feels good and so there was like this disassociation and kind of this twisting mentally that I had but just sit and allow a feeling allow a negative feeling allow a hurt feeling allow that sadness. Then you can move on to investigate because feelings really are messengers so one of the intriguing things about leprosy is when when people get leprosy they lose feeling and their nerve endings and so if you go to a leper colony you'll see a lot of disfigured people because if you're someone that is dealing with leprosy and you're grilling a hot dog and it falls down into the colds if you reach out and grab that hot dog.

34:59You're not going to feel it but you are going to face the consequences of it. So I think that we have gotten to place some of us of numbing our feelings numbing our emotions and not being able to connect to that side of ourself and therefore we're walking around our souls are completely disfigured and we don't even realize that and we're dealing with all of these down line kind of issues not realizing even though those negative feelings they're good because they're a messenger they're trying to tell us something they're trying to tell us hot don't touch don't stick your hand into a burning barbecue and word continuing to do these things in life that are essentially sick in our hand into a burning barbecue. We're having the same fights with people because we're not listening to the emotions we're staying in abusive situations because we're not listening to the messengers so if you can recognize and allow then you can investigate which is as simple.

36:04Okay, feeling what are you trying to tell me and there's often a really good message there. So then when you get down to the fourth point and it's not identify so essentially this is no feeling gets to tell me who I am it doesn't define me and it doesn't get to tell me what to do so I kind of imagine this whole thing like a feeling knocking at your door. You hear it and you're like oh there's a feeling here allow is like oh come in take a seat and investigate is okay you can say your piece what are you trying to tell me. And then not identify is okay but you don't live here like I'm not setting up a room for this feeling and defining my whole life and putting up posters on my walls that are this feeling but you can go now and if you're able to walk through these steps you really do see a release of that feeling you're able to deal with them more in the small level learn the lessons that they have to give you. Something that I still struggle with occasionally is this strange guilt over becoming successful on my own and doing what I do as a creative job growing up in a religious family having this ethic instilled in me that I have to follow in my father's footsteps be a lawyer or something prolific like a doctor or you won't be received.

37:27Or you won't be respected or some sort of corporate job where I'm bringing in hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and when I first started to go down this path which I never expected it just start out as a fun hobby when I first started to be able to support myself from this career there was so much overwhelming guilt and I didn't know where it came from I didn't understand it but I do now I know exactly where it comes from. And I still struggle like I said with that occasional feeling popping up but I had to realize that I do deserve this this is my life path this is what I came here to do and I'm grateful and blessed to be able to do it every day and it's an incredible thing but it's unfortunate that we have these things like guilt over success that gets instilled in us. Yeah, I think one of the most powerful things that we can do is to forgive ourselves and to let go of things and one of the things that's intrigued me is when people are like I don't forgive that person like I'm never going to forgive them because where does the energy live that negative energy it doesn't live with that person it lives with you that's its home

38:52and you're saying that you're going to make it stay there and for what reason because you're afraid that someone else is going to do it to you and you got to protect yourself sorry that's not going to work but as you vibrate at that energy and as you hold that energy you actually attract that energy and you attract more people treating you that way and repeating cycles. And so when we talk about forgiveness the most powerful thing is you're addressing it at home and so I advocate for forgiveness it doesn't involve like I'm going to go talk to this person I'm going to tell them what they did wrong and tell them I forgive them why would you do that it doesn't live with them and like maybe if you feel like they're holding some kind of shame or guilt about hurting you yeah like that's a nice thing to do for them but to deal with that is a good thing. So I think that's a good thing to do is to get rid of that and then to step in and realize if we don't give something to ourselves when we give it to someone else it's always false it always is and so whenever we try to show love toward other people but we haven't extended love to ourselves and self love that love is going to express falsely because it's not really a love for that person if we look underneath it and I don't mean to say this in an unkind way.

40:13But what you'll notice if you really pay attention is that is us trying to feel good about ourselves that's us trying to get a response from that person that's us trying to look good around other people that's us trying to overcompensate for whatever shame or guilt that we have but if we extend love inwardly then we can do an outflow of love that's not rooted in people just liking us. That's not rooted in I need to make up for the bad things I've done and so when it comes to self forgiveness I found it really powerful to just sit in long meditations and like recognize because the way there are mind works is what replay the same succession of memories that tell us that we're not good enough that tell us that we should have done something wrong and when you actually look at the nature of memory it's very fallible we don't actually know what happened and we'll never know what happened. And actually the events that we think we know the way that they played out the most which psychologists would call flash bulb memories and they've studied all these flash bulb memories like 9-11 or like the challenger explosion and they'll interview people and say what were you wearing what were you doing and then they'll interview them six months and a year later and their answers change drastically because every time we remember something we're remembering the same thing.

41:42We're not going to filing cabinet where things have been kept exactly like we left them but we're doing a creative act of reconstructing that thing and it becomes like a photocopy of a photocopy and I think if we were to look inside people's brains we'd be shocked at what their photocopying still how far it's gotten from the original and ask hey don't you think you might want to let this go let go of this feeling or let go of this lack of forgiving yourself and I think that's what I'm saying. I'm kind of these mental patterns in the cycle this memory leads to that memory in this person said that and I felt this and it just strengthens it while getting further and further from the truth when really like why do we feel this need to hold on to it to that level. I'd like to think that the era we're collectively heading into is that of personal accountability and I think that's the solution to all of this I think we like to blame the parasitic ruling class the lizard people for the problems that we have but we're the ones that gave them the power we're the ones that keep voting these people in we keep participating with draconian agenda eating poise.

42:59The reason is food we're perpetuating it basically and I see that the more we take personal accountability and pull out of those anti human systems and start taking care of things that can fundamentally make a difference and make things better that's going to have an infectious effect on the next person and it seems to be the answer to it all is just personal individual accountability. When and to come back to the idea of life reviews and and kind of the near death experience what a lot of people report in their life review is that they feel every interaction that they had from the other person's perspective and they they see themselves really see themselves and really see the other person and and seeing feel from their perspective so. I think that we have to rethink at some point our meaning and our definition of success and if success is really what we're shooting for in life and we're having these life reviews that aren't about how much money we made how many people we impacted on a grand scale it's not about like all these accomplishments and legacy and that kind of thing it's about how we made other people feel.

44:17On the simplest level and one thing I'd really love to advocate for is we need we desperately need more coaches we desperately need more mentors and the problem is we moved into a capitalist age when it comes to spiritualism and so go and try to find a spiritual leader that's free go and try to find a program that's free they're all really expensive and then when you set it up under that in the value is. Like X amount of dollars then the promises of that program become how much money you're going to make and it's it's all this self feeding system and what gets lost in this process is the passing on of wisdom and I kind of blame the boomers for this and like I don't mean it against them so much is I think they got kind of hoodwinked to move us into this capitalist age I don't think that we have a lot of boomers that are giving back to this generation in a way that's not going to be a good thing.

45:17It's free it all costs money for a program they fully bought into this capitalist mindset when it comes to wisdom and the exchange of information and mentorship and I think that one of the most powerful things we can do even with this imposter syndrome or with this kind of like I don't know if I should be able to do this is can we each find three people to pour back into and it has nothing to do with money money isn't required for it and money isn't the end outcome like that we're trying to do it. We're trying to help them with but we're passing on these life lessons that have come with age. You mentioned earlier that next year going to be launching a high frequency clothing line first of all tell us about what you mean by high frequency clothing. Sure and so there have been these studies that were ran then measure the frequency of different fabrics so linen and wool were each found at the frequency of 5,000. Organic cotton organic hemp any kind of organic other fiber besides linen or wool came in at 100 synthetic fabrics came in at a 5.

46:29So just to get perspective on this a human body resting is at 100 a dead body is out of 5. And then when you talk about 5,000 it's so exponentially above our resting rate that they've actually found the wrap wounds and like a flax bandage which is what linens made from and overnight the person will be healed. Like there's been some press that's been brought recently to band aids causing cancer. Well imagine if we just went back to flax we went back to linen and how that could accelerate healing kind of an intriguing connection to this is the Bible actually talks about not mixing fabrics not blending fabrics and it talks specifically about not blending linen and wool. So linen wool both out of 5,000 but if you blend them because the frequency actually goes at an opposite direction cancels each other out and so you're your back down to zero.

47:29So I began to look for like where can I find more linen one of the biggest things with linen is the ring clean and like we're so used to cotton I love cotton cotton is always my favorite fabric. Between a hoodie and jeans like can you get any better than that and both using cotton so what I'm working on is developing proprietary fabrics there are linen but look and feel like cotton. So there are going to be less of that summer weight it's not going to look like you're having your eat prey love moment and you just got back from India now you're wearing some kind of linen mumu. But kind of more everyday basic items that are going to be in this uplifting kind of fabrics so there's a high frequency aspect to it but then there's also the forever chemicals that are garments are treated with. So there are several chemicals so like if you look at a dry fit or you look at a water resistant type of item the reason that they have those properties is because of chemicals that they've been treated with and those chemicals are forever chemicals.

48:35Then by the way when you sweat leach into your bloodstream and our blood brain permeable and so we're having toxins go into our brain. From the clothing that we're wearing and when you think about this in terms of workout attire you're getting really sweaty and your pores are opening up and then this stretch fabric that has been treated with some kind of moisture wicking type of chemical is going right into your bloodstream. And so we're going to see I believe more people moving into this already MIA the like rapper artist she just release a line where it's all based on silver and so it has these 5G and Wi-Fi blocking kind of blocking out things so there's an anti microbial nature of silver and I plan to use some silver some copper and some other materials like that. Another thing I want to do is put crystals like inside the side seams with because I don't even care if crystals work or not I just like them like cool rocks.

49:42But and I always have them in my pockets and it's kind of annoying because they're like jangling around but just to put them inside of the garment where you don't even see it and then wrapping them with copper wire that then is connecting to shocker points. And then flipping the whole chemical side of fashion where we have these forever chemicals leaching into our body and which by the way can also be hormone disrupting and then in our underwear this could be leading to some of the issues we're having with infertility but to flip that on its head and say well we know a lot of herbs that are good for us. There's already companies that are doing CBD and leggings that are helping with inflammation that kind of thing but I'm wanting to use shunga because shunga you can get in powder form and it has like 5G and Wi-Fi blocking kind of properties and like clears the air around you. As well as different herbs that we can put in that are beneficial for health for spiritual growth for wellness for weight loss for a piece of mind.

50:47So yeah I kind of have a lot of direction as I'm going in with this but yeah we're looking to launch here in 2025. Man this is something I've never even considered and I can hear my audience now like oh we have to worry about bees and poison by our food and water and now our clothes. Well yeah unfortunately our clothes too that's insane you know think about the forever chemicals and when you mentioned high frequency low frequency clothing what could be the extent of negative effects from low frequency clothing. Well so like we know about the government using different frequencies and using different sound technology and like even David Bowie was a whistleblower on the black noise kind of concept and so everything is really carrying this tune it's kind of singing to us the whole universe is singing to us and so when we have these these objects around us or we have objects on top of us because if you look traditionally.

51:54In to spiritual kind of groups they always wear linen why are they always wearing linen like a person of the cloth that's essentially what we're describing is linen the shroud of turin like that's linen and and linen is tremendously old we don't even know where it came from it's one of the oldest crops that we have in the world and linen for some reason it does have this connotation with kind of spiritual scent and so we're going to have this kind of a lot of things that we can do. Even stepping back and stepping back and step back from stuff like that's a part of our relationship with people we're putting a few of our people in. There's a lot stuff that we can gain from that. blanket on something, you're going to suffocate it. And I wonder if we are two degree being suffocated, because we know what's in the water. We know they're putting fluoride everywhere. We know what's in the air, and maybe there is some discussion whether or not they're spraying stuff into the air through chemtrails.

52:55But at least it there is pollution, and that these all have an impact mentally. They all tamp us down mentally, that they're showing that IQ points come down from fluoride and water and toothpaste. And I wonder the same with our clothing, then if we wear clothes that aren't limiting, that aren't this wet blanket, then we'll see an increase in cognitive function as well. I've noticed a few companies, mainly shoe companies that have started developing footwear that helps ground, and that's something else that recently become aware of, is the fundamental problem with a lot of our footwear, where we don't make contact with the ground, and we don't get that beneficial energy in the frequencies that come from it, right? Definitely. So yeah, that rubber totally disrupts our ability to ground. And if you go back to older cultures

53:58in the way that a village would work, walking around barefoot, or even I've seen some really ancient shoes that have metal devices on the bottom of them, and if you wear certain kinds of leather, or like you're saying these shoes, that people are now making, you don't lose that connection to the earth, and kind of having that electrical output, like where you're not holding all of it inside of you. So I'm not even the best person to talk to you about the whole science of the electricity and how it's moving through us. I do have organ devices. I got some from the guy who runs Organite out of Organ Washington. Yeah, he actually connected me to you, so I should give him a shout out. But I love having these kinds of things in my life, and I kind of rely upon people like Isaac to have the broader understanding, but there certainly is something that if we're running around in rubber shoes all day long, then we're disconnected from the earth.

55:00And I think through a close, in the same way we'd be disconnected from the atmosphere, that is kind of creating this barrier from the atmosphere around us and the energy around us. Right on. This is great information. Jerry, is there anything that we haven't covered that you'd like to leave the audience with tonight, or any final thoughts? I just really appreciate being able to come on and appreciate what you do. You've had some real heavy hitters on, and so I feel honored to come on with you today. And really just, let's get wisdom. Let's put the emphasis on wisdom, because truth is really awesome. And I'm loving this time of revelation, all this stuff coming out, but it doesn't ensure a good life. And I don't think that at the end of this existence and our life review, we're gonna be sitting there and measuring how much truth we uncovered. But I think that more of a factor will be,

56:01like how we made other people feel, and that requires this other skill of wisdom. And so I really just wanna advocate for that, and advocate for people finding someone to mentor and to pour wisdom in, because we need to undo some of this generational thing that there's gotten off, because we used to respect people older than us. And I think that we've maybe gotten so obsessed with being right instead of getting it right. And wisdom gets it right. Being right, it's this noun, and we try, we're protective and defensive, but if we're trying to get it right, one of the things that we're gonna be involved with is passing wisdom down. And we're gonna do that more of a humble kind of way. And so I really wanna advocate for that. If folks are interested in keeping updated with the progress of your company and finding out more about you was the best way that they can do so. Yeah, so I'm totally off-grid with social media, but if anyone wants to reach out,

57:03they wanna hear more about the clothing brand, or they want to figure out how to be a mentor or a mentee, or they just wanna talk. Whoever wants you can email me, my email Jerry with 1R, so that's J-E-R-Y-M-C, as in the first two letters of McKenney. So Jerry, M-C, at proton.me, and I'm sure you'll put it in the description. Excellent, Jerry, thank you so much. Definitely love to talk more in the future, so much more we can get into. And until next time everyone have a wonderful evening, we will talk again tomorrow. See ya later. Hello friends, at some point in our journey. Today I wanna welcome Jeremy Ryan Slate. He is host of the Jeremy Ryan Slate Show. He studied literature at Oxford University, and holds a master's in early Roman Empire propaganda. His podcast was named number one podcast by INC Magazine,

58:05as well as Top 40 Under 40 by Podcast Magazine. Jeremy, welcome, how you doing? Hey man, thanks for having me, I'm stoked to be here. Thanks so much for coming on man, looking forward to this. Today we're going to discuss the profound parallels between the fall of the Roman Empire and what we see here occurring in the United States right now. And if you have it, no disease parallels, maybe you're under a rock, maybe you're in a cave, but this information is definitely essential right now. And as we look at what's unfolding, it's not gonna be an overnight process. This is a slow roll agenda that we've been seeing and full for a very long time, but there's definite concern about the overall direction that we've been headed in this country. So there's a lot we can get into before we do though, this is your first time on. Tell us a little bit more about yourself and what led you to look into the parallels between the Roman Empire.

59:08So I run a PR agency called Commander Brand, and we work with a lot of podcasts and new media, and been doing that for about 10 years. I've also run a show myself since 2014. We talk about politics and culture and things that I feel matter most in the world. I live in Northwest Jersey, we've got a couple dozen chickens, a very fat pig, and my wife and I also have three daughters. So you know, very hard to do in that. So in terms of the Roman Empire, by the way, my pig is almost like having a third dog. It's a very interesting experience. You just kind of roam around the property. But for me, the Roman Empire, I arrived there in a really weird way. In undergrad, I was absolutely obsessed with Alexander the Great. So like I've read every book you could imagine about Alexander the Great, actually I have a bust of Alexander the Great at my desk. I'm very interested in everything about Alexander. So I read this one really weird obscure article by this Jesuit priest named Father Kuthbert Laiti.

1:00:10It was written around the turn of the century called Augustus at Actium. So Actium is the final battle of the Roman Civil War and it's what leads to Augustus not right away, but eventually becoming the first emperor. The thing he does is after winning the Battle of Actium, he actually goes to Alexandria, which is in Northern Egypt, and he prays in front of the sarcophagus of Alexander the Great. And I'm like, that's really weird. Why is he doing that? And the thing I actually ended up diving into is if you look at a lot of the imagery and things like that, that Augustus is going to use, it's a lot of propaganda and things that he's learned from Alexander. Because Alexander had actually convinced people he was divine and had created a pretty strong worship cult of himself. So for me that really took me into studying the worship of Roman emperors and things like that. And then a few months ago, well a few months ago, about a year ago, this whole men thinking about the Roman Empire trend started. And my wife actually noticed a different told her about it because I guess it happened on TikTok, but I'm not on TikTok, so somebody else told me about it.

1:01:11And she's like, honey, you're relevant now. I'm like I'm relevant now. So I've been talking about the Roman Empire ever since because to me I've always seen the parallels, but I think for a lot of people, it's not even that they don't see the parallels. It's that they had just have no idea anything about Rome, which has been kind of the stranger part. Now speaking of seeing the parallels, how long have you been aware of the level of deception that we've been subjected to, especially here in the United States? I know 2020 was a big eye opener for lots of folks. I had been into this since about 2012, looking at the alternative history and some of the government corruption aspects, but when did it really all come together for you? Gosh, and now I'm trying to think about this. So I'm almost 40, but this is back in my high school. Gosh, you look like Alex Jones. I'm a year's old, dude. I know, right, dude, I'm 38. So I don't look like I'm the age I am, but back in high school I discovered Alex Jones,

1:02:12and that was the rabbit hole that takes you into the rabbit hole. So I think the first book I ended up reading was Jim Mars. I ended up reading a whole bunch of Jim Mars books. Then I got sucked into a Vondanican and a whole bunch of other stuff. So it was an interesting road that brought me here, man. Now when we look at our history, it's extremely difficult to decipher the truth, especially with a lot of the information that has come out over the past few years. About the propaganda we've been sold about our history, it's very difficult to navigate some of this stuff. You look back even 10 years before now and it's difficult to decipher what really happened because of who writes our history, the powerful, the victors, much less looking back hundreds or thousands of years ago. So how do you decipher through this information

1:03:13and what really tells you that something is accurate about our history? I think that's the hard part too, because first of all, you have to have a good understanding of cause and effect. And I think oftentimes many people can't see a cause and effect. They kind of believe the narrative of it and I think that's the hard part. But it's often history leaves clues a lot of times and I think that's what you're missing. So like Emperor Karekola, for example, him and his brother Gata end up taking over together to be co-emperors after their father, Septimius Severus dies, but they hate each other. And Karekola is actually gonna have Gata killed and have any iconography or pictures or anything of his brother destroyed. So it ends up being very difficult to actually find out anything about this guy Gata and who he was or that even existed. But some information comes out of Egypt and later on we find out a little bit more about him. And I think it's often coming about being a truth seeker and looking for the different clues because many times pieces are just removed from history

1:04:14or destroyed or whatever it might be and it's understanding that. But it's also, you have to understand what perspective your history comes from. So one of the most hotly debated things in history is what year did Rome fall? The traditional date is said to be 476 in the West at 476 AD. But if you look at that time period, what has actually happened is kind of your last 50 years of emperors are child emperors and emperors in name only run by barbarian kings. So in 476 this general odowaker retires the final Roman emperor and it's not that the empire falls it kind of just fades out and becomes a Roman kingdom. But if you read a lot of the history which comes from the East, the emperor Justinian comes in with a military force to try and re-conquer it and bring it back into the Roman Empire. So of course they're gonna tell you about the fall of the Roman Empire because it would make them look bad to say, like well to save the thing we had to destroy it. And I think that's often the problem is you have to understand the sources you're reading, what would they want it to have seen happen?

1:05:15Or what would they have cared about? And I think that can be one of the really difficult things when you're looking at history and understanding where it comes from. Right on. Now I wanna look at some of the most profound parallels that you see between the fall of the Roman Empire and what's unfolding right now. Before we get too deep into that, what is your understanding of the overall big picture of what we're experiencing now? I know there's multiple different levels, technocratic power level, the one world government aspects. This overall further suppression of freedom, especially here in the United States, no matter what direction we're headed. But what do you see as some of the reasons why we are in the current situation that we are? Man, how much time you got? Because I can tell you that's a much longer conversation, right?

1:06:15Because I think like you can see the Roman aspects that have those matter, but I think at the same time, you kinda have to have a bigger understanding of the world we live in, right? It's because there's so many different things going on at once. Like you have kind of the world economic forum side of things. You kinda have the Chinese Communist side of things. And what it seems like to me is there's a whole bunch of groups supporting each other until they kind of destroy the power structures and then they're gonna fight amongst each other for who actually gets to be the one in control. I think, you know what I'm saying? I feel like there's a much, much bigger thing at play here. And I don't think, you know, it's, you get strange bedfellows where you see a lot of these groups working together. But I think eventually when they've destroyed US power, destroyed Western power, they're gonna fight amongst themselves for who's in control. It's, it goes pretty deep, man. Do you think it's an intentional, long game plan, multi-generational agenda that has been at play that is being passed down?

1:07:17I think that here's the problem is I think bad people are pulled to politics because they love corruption and power. And I think that's one part of it. But then you also have to ask the question of who are the money and the people behind those people, right? Because often who you're seeing are the puppets. And I think that's another thing to understand. But if you look at kind of post-civil war and even post, and even the progressive era is a lot of what destroyed what America has even been. And that's why I went when people talk about Rome, they're often talking about the fall, the Roman Republic. And I think while you see some of those things happening on the world stage and you see those happening on the global stage, to me, we haven't been a republic in a very long time, right? If you look at the pivotal year of 1913, right? You have the 17th Amendment passes. So the state legislatures no longer have representation would have helped us a lot during 20 and 20, right? Because that was where the election went. You look at the income tax amendment passes. So you're no longer keeping all your income. They try to, another income tax, another smaller one, briefly after the Civil War, but it's very short-lived.

1:08:19But then you have the Federal Reserve Act, which passes over the Christmas holiday and then becomes law from 1913 into 1914. So really America as a functional republic in my opinion ceased to be in 1913. So I feel like this has been a long-term thing of how we got here. And a lot of it comes down to money interest and bankers and kind of the people that are controlling things. Because if you even look at the second world war, on the second world war, the bankers and the military industrial complex were funding both sides. Why? Because they make money. And I think that's what it comes down to. Is there the larger interest behind a lot of this stuff? And the fact that our politicians love corruption just feeds it. Where should we start when looking at the parallels of the fall of the Roman Empire? Well, I think often, you know, Edward Gibbon who wrote Declinum Fall of the Roman Empire, it's like the most famous book written on it. And he cites around 200 different sources of why the Roman Empire fell.

1:09:20But I think if you want to break it down, there's really just two. And those two could be seen as inflation and out of control immigration. And if you want to look at kind of when that starts to happen, it starts to happen right after the son of Marcus Aurelius, who's communist. Comedists is not really interested in being emperor. He's just kind of a spoiled adult child. He would rather be a gladiator and he'd rather fight in the arena. And he spends a lot of money in order to keep the populace happy. So he's often wasting money on social programs. So if you want to look at kind of where we go from there, it's not the actual start of the crisis of the third century, but it kind of starts the domino effect that's going to cause the third century crisis. So in the third century, you have a series of weak rulers that are going to lead to what's called the crisis of the third century. What starts around the 230s AD and is going to go around to, really, if you want to pull it out to 280, you could do that. But what ends up happening is in order to be emperor,

1:10:22it's the one who raises the biggest army that could be emperor. So you basically have armies declaring their general to be emperor. So you have somewhere between 40 and 50 guys in a hundred year period claiming to be emperor and they would raise an army and fight each other. Now, there's two problems this is going to cause. Let's get back to our inflation and immigration argument. In the 160s AD, there's what's called the Antonin plague where about 10% of the empire dies. So there's a lack of military men. This is now made worse by the fact that these generals are raising armies and declaring themselves emperor so they need people to fight. So what do they do? They start bringing in barbarian tribes to fight in the Roman military. Now, they had always fought in the military to some extent, but never directly in the legions. They always fought in something called the Roman auxiliary. So you are bringing in people that aren't Roman to fight in the Roman army and they're bringing their families with them to bring them into Roman territory. So you start to have this immigration issue happening. Now, if you are controlling people by might, well, how do you control those people?

1:11:23You control them by money. So whoever could pay their military the most was going to have the best military behind them. So what do they start to do? They start to actually add other metals to the currency and devalue it. So it could be copper, tin, other things that are going to decrease the value of the currency. So by 270, the silver coin is actually just bronze. There's no silver in that coin. So this is the problem you get is by 284, we have 15,000% inflation. And we have millions of people that have come into Rome that aren't Roman. And this is the problem you're really doing with. Right on. Now, you also talk about the tactics that were used by Augustus that created this basic cult and cult following. And you compare it to modern social media influencers, politicians, celebrities. Talk a little bit about that. Well, if you want to look at it, one of the biggest things

1:12:23that Augustus does when he becomes not even emperor, he becomes this word called print caps. Prince or First Citizen, because Romans didn't like the idea of kingships. They wouldn't like anything that signified kingship. The word emperor actually comes from a military commander imparator. It's borrowed later on. But a lot of what he does initially is symbolism is very, very, very important to him. So he is one of the first ones to start minting all the coins in the empire with his face on them. And it's important because when people use money, they see your face, right? And all of the statues of himself are only at about the ages of 30 to 40. Though in his old age, he's not going to look like he's been doing very well. So people are going to have this idea of who he is. And he's positioned like an influencer, right? Because if you look at a lot of our influencers, they've become kind of our gods among men unreachable people. Whether it's because they have a blue checkmark or because that they seem to always be beautiful and not age. It's a very similar thing where we've basically

1:13:25taken these people and we've deified them in a way. We've made them gods and made them unreachable people. That is exactly what it gusts us to. It's a very similar concept to how you control people. Because if this person doesn't age and everything we do has to do with this person, well, this person is now controlling our thoughts and actions. And I think that's what you start to see. And even how people act when doing certain things on social media, they curate a certain image. They curate a certain look. They curate a certain feel. And that is what people are doing. They're trying to recreate this almost human divinity in a way, you could say. And when we look at both sides of the political spectrum, it has become so ridiculous and theatrical that it's hard to ignore the things that don't fit into place, some of the narratives that don't make sense. And some of the things that you're seeing with your own eyes that they're trying to present one way that comes out another.

1:14:25So it seems like at the highest levels, either a lot of narratives are falling apart or they just don't care anymore. But the level of theater has gotten insane to me. We're presented with extremes on both sides, especially this time around to me has gotten over the top. What do you think about that? Well, I think education pays a big part in this, too, because in the conversations I've been having about the Roman Empire for the past year, the thing that surprises me is not that people just have the wrong ideas, but that most people don't know anything about it. That's been the more surprising thing, is that I feel like people have very little knowledge about it. And this goes back to our education system. Like our literacy rate, though they want to prop it up, it's dropping, right? If you look at when education changed dramatically, it changed in the time of the Industrial Revolution, because what are they trying to create? They're trying to create soldiers and factory workers. And that's exactly what they've done. They've created people that cannot differentiate between the narratives that they're being given, and those people are much, much easier to control.

1:15:26And I think that's why AI is it's scary from even the perspective of creating skynet or something? It's actually scary to me from the perspective of losing literacy, because I think that's the road we're going down, is we have people that they haven't read a lot. They don't have an ability to differentiate. They aren't aware of how these things have happened in history. And those type of people are very easy to control, and we're just being let off like lambs. Just from my perspective, it seems like something has changed since 2020. And a lot more people are seeing through the propaganda, which I think is a really excellent thing. I think people have been abused enough, where the people have been abused enough, where they've gotten to the point, they're like, well, this doesn't make sense to me. And I think honestly, you know, whether you like Trump or don't like Trump, I think if you kind of look at how the political spectrum has gotten all out of whack, it's so interesting, because it's kind of like, the left has gone so far left that anything to the right of them is far right, where for the most part, if you look at Trump on the political spectrum,

1:16:28he's a moderate in the 1980s, but it's things have gotten so out of whack. And I think a lot of people woken up to that, and like, this doesn't just make sense to me. Now, in one of your talking points here, you say that the media likes to claim that Donald Trump is Julius Caesar, the next Julius Caesar, but based on your research, there was already an American Caesar over 100 years ago. Tell us a little bit about that. What? Well, so I think you have to consider that Julius Caesar in history is kind of the person that ends the previous thing, and Augustus is the person that begins the new thing. So in my opinion, you could look at somebody like a Woodrow Wilson as being more of your Caesar-type character, because of, you know, if you look at how close mouth he wanted to keep people during the First World War, it is wild. Like, it was the aliens that did the Solution Acts that came out under him. So he was a rough individual, and a lot of what America was, you know, you could make a case for right after the Civil War, but right after, but during the progressive era,

1:17:29it destroys what America is, and then FDR kind of creates this next thing or the new thing, which is very interesting, because you look at a lot of the social programs we do, those come out of FDR's time. And I think the problem is people don't fully understand Caesar and who he is. And if you look at Caesar historically, his entire career, the guy is broke. He would have been a patrician or a rich person by class, but he didn't really have any money, because his family, his father had kind of a bank derivative of the family. So his entire career, he's borrowing money in order to compete in the political sphere. And in 59 BC, he's what's called console. Console was kind of like being president, but they would have two of them at once, because they didn't want one man to hold power. So you would have two guys that would hold the console ship as colleagues. So his colleague is a guy named Marcus Biblius. And Marcus Biblius is a frontman for one of Caesar's biggest enemies, this guy named Kato the Younger.

1:18:30And what ends up happening is the, there's these two political factions in Rome. There's the uptamades or the great ones, and those are kind of your rich, wealthy people, the Senate, and the populares. So those, you could compare them to your modern populists, people doing things for the people. And Caesar, one of his first major reforms he wants to do is land reforms, because a lot of public lands had been taken by these wealthy individuals and turned into farms for their own profit, even they're supposed to be public land. So Caesar wants to take these lands and give them to troops as a pension when they get back from war, because for a lot of them, after war, they don't serve a purpose and they're kind of beat up. His colleague Biblius doesn't want this to happen. So what Caesar ends up doing is taking the vote directly to the people. And the people actually chase Biblius into his home, and he doesn't come out of his home for an entire year. So they end up calling it the consulship of Julius and Caesar, rather than the consulship of Caesar and Biblius, which is what it would have been called historically.

1:19:32So he's consul for a year, then he goes for nine years to serve as a general and gall, and basically in large Roman territory. And as his, this was called a pro-consulship, basically being a consul outside of Rome. When he is on his way back to the city, he finds out to the grapevine that his enemy, Cato, wants to bring him up on corruption charges for his time as pro-consul and as time as consul. He ends up bringing his ten legions through the north of Italy. He gets to a river called the Rubicon, leaves nine of those legions there, takes one of them across the Rubicon, and all of his enemies actually flee the city of Rome and just give him the city. So that ends up being how Caesar ends up taking powers. Everybody just runs away. So now he'll spend the next several years chasing those people across Europe and Asia and Biblius, or not Biblius, Cato and some of the other guys are actually going to commit suicide, and then Pompey the Great's going to be killed by the Tolemay king and Egypt. So that's how Caesar gets in the power.

1:20:34Now the thing you have to understand about Trump, Trump may not have agreed with the terms of the last election, but he's not in office anymore. Caesar never relinquished power, and he used a military force in order to do that. So I think to compare him to someone like that, when we haven't been a republic in a very long time, it's just a very difficult thing to do. Let's get a little deeper into some of the propaganda used at the time, social engineering, culture creation, and the parallels to what we're seeing now. So the biggest one is money, and this goes back to what we were talking about earlier, because money is something you use every single day. So you could look at a coin and a weak emperor typically would put verbiage or the picture of Rome's founder, Romulus, or its first emperor Augustus to try and make himself look stronger. And oftentimes that was not going to be very effective, but it was a propaganda thing because people use money every single day. So now they're getting comfortable with you.

1:21:34So you see that. You also see, it's interesting because they're kind of like secular polytheists, if this makes sense, because Romans would use the gods when it was useful to them, and they would ignore the gods when it wasn't useful to them. So another thing is the idea of augurator, bird signs. So the word inauguration that we use when someone takes office actually comes from the word augurator. Augurators were people that would look at bird signs and tell you what they meant. So if they wanted to make a big decision, they would say, okay, well, let's see what the birds think. Well, oftentimes it would have to be what did the augur want to read from the birds, and they would have to understand what they were beginning. Another thing they would do is to look at the liver of animals and understand, you know, what is that thing telling us? So you can actually look online and there's maps of the different parts of the liver and what they would look at to tell them what that meant. And maybe they'd like the first liver, so they'd go kill another animal and look at that liver. So that's a really interesting concept as well. There's a big climate change in the second half

1:22:39of the third century, and the emperor thinks the way he's gonna fix this is by making everyone sacrifice to the gods again, because he thinks they're getting too far away from it. So this is another way to get in control, which to me sounds very similar to a lot of the climate cult stuff you're dealing with nowadays. But these are a lot of different propaganda tools that are used as well as you have to consider what a big part of Roman life, things like chariot racists and gladiator games were. Culturally, they'd always been a big part of people's lives, but they get even bigger after about 79 AD when Vespasian builds what you know is the Coliseum, but it was originally called the Flavian Ampitheater. So now the actual size of these fights gets so much larger and attracts people in. And for a lot of them, they're betting at an extraordinary level on these games. So now they're tied in not just in the distraction of it, but also of taking their hard-earned money and betting it on these games. So it's pretty extreme the level people get to and it can kind of show you why the money class

1:23:41were able to continue controlling like they were. Now there's many that speculate that throughout history, our ruling class has been from similar or even the same bloodlines as in our ancient past. Is there anything that you've looked into that could indicate any of this? I think it's possible because you even look at how many of our presidents are related to each other, which is kind of weird. What if you go back a certain amount? Isn't it Obama and George W. Bush are actually related to each other, which is kind of crazy? So I'm sure because if you look at a lot of these people that have been in a lot of these political positions, families hold power for a really long time. You look at in the UK. In the UK, there's a lot of, I think what is there? 12 banking families in there that still hold a lot of power and have for hundreds of years. So I think to say that that doesn't happen, it's not having an understanding of history. But I don't offhand, I don't know any direct ties from, I would say the Roman Empire to there, just because of how dramatically things change at the end.

1:24:44I know you kind of see in around the 800, there's this attempt to revive the whole thing by the Pope creating the Holy Roman Empire. But it really would have been confusing even to the Eastern Roman Empire that was still in existence and Constantinople because they would have called themselves Romans too. So it just, they try to tie themselves to that lineage but I don't know any direct descendant lines. Let's talk a little bit about the parallels that we're seeing now with the immigration crisis and some of the tactics that were used by the Roman Empire. Well, the big one that happens is as I've mentioned, they need more people to fight in the army, which is a really, really big part of it. But also as well, Roman Emperor is after, after Tiberius, who's the second one, they spend a lot of money. So they're often bankrupting the treasury. And in 117 AD under Emperor Trajan,

1:25:46Roman expansion stops. They actually make a decision that we're no longer gonna conquer other people and we're just gonna hold the territory we have. The problem with that is that's how new wealth came into Rome and that's how it continued to grow. So once that stops, you're cutting off a big part of your money supply. Now as you go into two 12 now, we've went almost 100 years in the future, there's a real need for tax money and Emperor Caracalla is gonna take about 30 million people overnight via an edict and make them citizens. But they're given citizenship without the vote as opposed to citizenship with the vote. And now you've enlarged citizenship and exhortment and amount, but the thing people don't often consider is Rome had a lot of social programs. The biggest one of those is what's called the grain dole. So there would be a certain amount of grain that the Roman government would purchase and give to every citizen. So now by becoming a citizen,

1:26:48it's not just that they tax you, they now also have to feed you. And as I mentioned with climate change happening a lot in the second half of the century. So I think people here climate change and it's this new term that gets used, climate goes through cycles and it warms and cools and everything else. So the climate changes in the second half of the third century and grain prices start to skyrocket. Double and triple, whatever it might be, for Romans, a lot of their grain will be coming from Egypt. The Nile River would flood every year and that flood would lead the soil around it very rich and great for growing grain. But as the Nile River stops flooding every year and starts flooding every few years and then after that, not often at all, the supply of grain is a lot harder to get and becomes more expensive. So you now have people that are citizens that you are now draining the treasury to feed them as prices are doubling and tripling. And then you have these generals fighting each other that need more soldiers. We'll have to get more soldiers you bring in barbarians off the provinces. So you're expanding what it means to be an empire

1:27:50and you're expanding people you have to feed and house and clothes and everything else. And it gets a little out of control. And the thing I look at now is, though immigration by the end of the third century is a lot higher, I think in the past three years, we had almost eight million people come across our southern border, which is it's wild to consider that. And I don't think people truly consider what that does to the welfare state and what attacks that is in the welfare state. It's very similar to like a cloud and piv and strategy of overwhelming the welfare state and that's what can crash a country. And on top of that, I'm sure there is some intentional targeting with some of this flooding of the immigration demographics of people that are being let into some of these countries. Well, because I think we've been told to think that, being nationalist or having a culture is a bad thing, but that's what makes us a country. Man, like borders, currency and culture

1:28:50make you a country. And I think for some reason, I don't know if it's a communist ideal or whatever it is, but we've been told that these things are bad things and they're dirty words, but that's actually what makes countries countries. Let's talk a little bit about Rome's third century crisis and how it relates to this year, but we're seeing. So I would say right now we're somewhere in the beginning of that because if you look at the third century crisis, what is it happening? This goes back to the idea of these generals raising an army and declaring themselves emperor and fighting each other. I would say we're somewhere towards the beginning of this because by 284 AD, they're at 15,000% inflation, we're nowhere near that yet, but it's getting fast. And I think that if you consider Romans could make money in a computer like we could, well, it would get worse even fast, even faster. But you have this idea of all of the immigrants

1:29:51coming across the border and then you also have the money being inflated. As I mentioned, they're adding other metals to the money, whether it be copper, tin, whatever it might be. So the value of money is going down. In the 280s, you have a reforming emperor come into place named Diocletian and he tries to do a few things under fixed that. The first being offering a new silver coin, which people don't trust it because they know the value of it isn't what they thought it would be. And then he also tries price controls, which causes inflation to get a lot higher. And it also creates a black market because people don't want to trade in traditional money. So it creates a lot of issues. And if you see where we are now, immigration and what we're doing with our money are the two things that are really killing us. When it comes to what's happening right now with our financial systems, with the economy, and I thought we would have seen a major, major crash in recession right now, not to say that things are wonderful and inflation is ridiculous. But what do you, well, they changed with the words, man.

1:30:53Right, right. So how do you see this unfolding with our financial systems? Well, I think one of the big things that people don't talk about with Constantine, who was the first Christian emperor in the East is around the year 313 in a city called Triere in Germany. He minced less than 100 gold coins. What he'll then continue to do throughout his entire reign is mint a few gold coins every single year. So by the time he dies, the Eastern Empire is actually on a gold standard and it actually gives them standard money. And I think the thing that's interesting about that is if you look at what we're doing here in the US, our money isn't tied to anything. So governments can do whatever the heck they want to kind of spend us into oblivion. If we were tied to something, it would be a lot harder for them to do what they're doing. But the thing you have to consider as well is if we change over to a hard currency, it's gonna get really rough, really fast. That's why I think the idea of Constantine

1:31:54doing a few gold coins every year and basically transitioning over a 30 year period is something that really gives the East stability. And that gold coin is gonna last from, as I said about the year 313 to around the year 1000 without being inflated. So I think to consider if you could change us over to a money that is worth something, we might be in better condition. But if you did it all at once, it would be an abrupt thing that could actually crash the system as well. What are your thoughts about where we're at right now with our entertainment business propaganda? We're also in this interesting time where there's a lot of shifting to what people are paying attention to the type of media and entertainment people are absorbing now is going to streaming services and social media and things like that. But what we've seen with Hollywood, especially with the woke air of the past few years is just a lack of interest. There seems like there's a lot of losing money

1:32:56and the propaganda is now shifting into these social media and independent media realms. Also, I've been seeing more than ever, AI used for political propaganda in many different ways. So we've entered an interesting era of how we're interacting with technology and how it's being used for propaganda purposes. Talk a little bit about what you see unfolding right now, especially with social media and propaganda. Well, I think that's the interesting perspective you see because if you look at the Romans, their reality would have been what they told it was. And I think with where we are in history, we have an ability to talk like they have never, we've never had before. And I think that's the interesting thing to understand though it has become harder to do things in certain places, but if you look at like X and rumble, you can say a lot of things right now. And Romans didn't have that ability

1:33:58to be that open about their communication. So I think the thing that's interesting is it seems like in some ways people are waking up enough where the dam is cracking in Rome, they didn't have that ability. We just looked at their world is going away and that's the end of it and there's nothing you can do about it. I think now we're in a time period where we're seeing the culture start to shift. We're seeing the reality start to shift. And we're seeing as long as some of these courts have balls enough to do something about it, we're seeing also some of the censorship start to back off a little like you. I think even Zuckerberg the other day admitted a lot of what he was doing during the 2020 election. So I think we're seeing the tide start to turn. And it's something that did not exist in Rome. They did not have an ability to communicate like we can now. And that's why I think frankly, we have an opportunity like we've never had in history before because shows like this exists to actually turn the tide, which we could not do in past times in history. Because I am highly red pill, very conspiratorial minded, I checked out of politics a long time ago

1:35:00and I just see it as divisive theater and just a higher level of propaganda and mind control for the people. Like I was telling you earlier, the level of theater that has infiltrated this beer's upcoming election, we've even got biblical and theological implications creeping in there. And it's just become highly ridiculous in my eyes. But there are some that believe that voting a certain way will ultimately benefit the greater good or even individually in their lives. But the way I look at it is both sides are highly controlled and no matter what side we vote in there, it's going to be a continuation of the same agendas, the same ideologies just portrayed in a different way. And either side is a trap. What do you see unfolding with either side?

1:36:01Maybe we can get your thoughts about the possibilities that we could face as a country with Trump in office or Kamala. Well, I think the thing you have to consider is, if you kind of look at where we are right now, the media hates Trump, the powers that be hate Trump, they've tried to kill him, whoever it was, I just don't believe the story they've given you. It's interesting to me. So I think the thing you have to consider is, and you even see this with the RFK endorsement and the gay aber endorsement. I think we're at a point in history that, whether you like him or not, there's enough people that hate him that I think it's at least better than the alternative to have in there because I am terrified of where this country would go with someone like Harris who didn't win a primary. They basically just took out the old guy that they had stuck in there in the first place, removed him and put her in. Like the puppeteering of this stuff is extreme. And I think just to see the weaponization of the justice system,

1:37:03the weaponization of the media, the weaponization of the DOJ and the FBI and things like that against one person, whether you like him or not, maybe he's the right kind of wrecking ball. And I think at least we have that kind of alternative that maybe we can have something better come after that. But I think now there's enough people that hate this guy, which tells me he's probably not in their club. And if you look at one of the major reasons that people don't like, people like RFK and don't like Trump is because they're class traders. They're supposed to be rich people and don't like care about rich people things. And it seems like for the most part, though Trump may be very into himself, he's doing a lot of things for the most part that are good for people. And I think where we are in history, there's enough people that hate the man that tells me, well, maybe we'd better off with that in office. Now, when we also look at a bigger picture or try to understand the big picture of what's unfolding, I look back at the events of World War One, World War Two, the assassination of JFK, 9-11, then COVID, and these all have these fingerprints

1:38:06from these same groups. You can find connections to every single event that have connections to very powerful people that are still relevant in our modern times. So I look back at all these string of events and wonder if this has all been a long game to collapse our system or if it was intended a different way. What do you think? I think it often comes back to a collapse at the system, right? Because if you look at it, the people behind empires only want them to last as long as they can control them. And when they start to feel like they're losing control or they're playing the money game a little too long, they're gonna collapse it and start something new, right? Like if you look at it for a long time, the British pound was the global reserve currency. You know, then the US dollar has been the global reserve currency. It's often the moneyed interests that are gonna drive a lot of this stuff and they're only gonna drive it as long as they can

1:39:07control the currency and control the people. And once you start to see that crack and break down a little bit, they're looking for their new game. And I think that's where we're at because there's been, I don't know if you've followed this has been a discussion of multipolarity out there. And are we reaching a multipolar world where there's not really one hegemon, you know, where we maybe have Russia and China and the US all having equal co-equal power? And I think to me, that would sound like they're trying something new because they preferred the single hegemonic country for a very long time. And you know, whether you like the idea of American empire or don't like the idea of American empire, it's we are an empire in a lot of ways. And I think many times they're trying to figure out who is that next empire that can put in place. Again, looking back at events of 2020 and previous events, there always seems to be this invisible boogie man to keep us in line, to keep us in fear and to keep us relying on daddy government for the protection

1:40:07from our invisible enemies. COVID was the most recent big opportunity to present this invisible enemy. And because there always has to be the next one, there is inevitably going to be something in the pipeline that comes down that is manufactured to a certain extent. But because- Monkey box! That's what I'm talking about, man. But because I have seen a lot of mistakes and failures or maybe it was intentional who knows over the past few years, a lot of people woke up to the corruption. There's a lot more awakened souls on this planet that are questioning things now than I believe there ever was before. So there has been some benefits to what's unfolded. But do you think that collectively, at least in the United States, that we would go along with another mass trauma event that shuts down the world?

1:41:08I would hope not, but at the same time, emergencies have always been used through history to justify things, right? You know, whether it's the Reichstag fire justifying the enabling acts or whether it's 9-11 justifying the Patriot Act, which they had tried to pass in numerous different pieces and until we got the right emergency, no one was willing to pass it. Or even look at going back to the Roman Empire, one of the ways that the Republic, which eventually becomes an empire, starts to break down is people stop obeying terms of office. What I mean by that is typically, when you were gonna hold a consulship, you could only hold one every 10 years. But there's this general named Gaius Marius around the year 100. He holds the consulship seven times and he didn't live to be 70 years old. So that tells you of a problem. And what they did is they said, oh, well, we have this war against Gerthe and we have this war against the Kimberi. And because there's war, we can't use the standard way we do things.

1:42:09We need to give this guy more power more often. And that's what starts to happen. Is we use the powerful use emergencies or the constant state of emergencies in order to push the next level what they're gonna do. And after Marius, terms of office don't matter anymore. People are holding it at too young of an age or they're holding too many of them or whatever. It doesn't take very much to destroy the rule of law. And we have seen this numerous times through our history. You know, whether it's the Gulf of Tonkin, whether it's something like, you know, like you mentioned the JFK assassination. These emergencies are used to push over the next thing that in normal circumstances, people would not accept. But under emergencies, people will accept anything. You know, how does Augustus become the first emperor? Not because he said, okay, I'm your emperor now. They get to a point where the Romans have been through civil war for a hundred years and he's the guy that gives them peace. So he threatens to lay down his power and people demand he be their ruler.

1:43:09That is exactly what happens. People will sacrifice their liberty for security. And that's why oftentimes, you know, malice forces will use emergencies in order to push through things people would not accept normally. You talked a little bit about how there's debate over the dates of the fall of the empire. Talk a little bit about your understanding and maybe what's more accurate to you. So I believe the idea of the Roman Empire kind of falling out somewhere, falling apart somewhere around the four seventies. But I don't think it's this kind of mashing and grinding and wailing of teeth that people want you to believe it is. I think it's more or less, the money starts to collapse as we're bringing in barbarians. The empire becomes less and less Roman and more barbarian. So it just kind of morphs into something else. But what people want you to believe is barbarian invasions. Yes, some do happen.

1:44:10I'm not saying there weren't any. But I believe it's that the empire just kind of transitions into something else as it becomes less Romans and less money. But the Western Roman Empire or the Eastern Roman Empire by conquest tries to bring it back together and it destroys what's left of the city of Rome. But throughout history, there are so many attempts to tie the Roman Empire to different time periods. Even look at the Nazis calling themselves the Third Reich. Well, because the Third Reich means a Third Empire. So they thought they were kind of the Third occurrence of the Roman Empire. So I think you can kind of see a lot of these different things to our history. And that's why it's one of the most hotly debated things of when did it fall or did it fall because there's even the whole other side that says, well, the Roman Catholic Church is what the Roman Empire became. And in some ways, you can see some of the power structures there and a lot of the verbiage there. But I don't think it's a direct lineage from one to the next. Do you have hope for the future?

1:45:11And maybe for the last few minutes, we could offer possible solutions or words of wisdom to at least prepare for what could be in store for us here in the United States? Well, I think to not prepare would be stupid. Like you have to have some preparation, whether that's, you need to get out of cities as a big part of it. Being in a city is not a good place to be right now. I live on five acres with a whole bunch of chickens and farm animals, and I'm very happy doing that. Now, do you out there listing how to do that? You don't have to do that. But I would say in some ways, you do need to be prepared if the shit ever hits the fan. The other thing is getting involved in your local communities because a lot of people have just kind of given up the ground locally and say, oh, where I live is safe. And oftentimes, if you look at how things change, they change on the local level first. National politics aren't worth as much as you think they are. It is getting involved locally in your community. I think we saw this a lot during the pandemic of places that did mask and places that didn't

1:46:12or places that had different social distancing requirements and places that didn't. Where I live, it's like the pandemic didn't happen because people here were involved in their local community. And I think that's a big part of it because the government cannot push those things on you. I think the other part about it is, we have to solve our currency at some point in time. We cannot keep doing this because a fiat currency will only last so long. And I think if you look at it 10 years ago, we were somewhere around 60% of all global transactions are done in the US dollar. We're barely over 50% now as bricks and other currencies have started to come in and some countries are even trading in Chinese yuan. So we need to do something about our currency. And we also have to solidify our borders because if we do not, the welfare system will take that currency problem and exaggerate it, which means it's going to get worse even faster. So if you don't have borders, if you don't have a currency, you don't have a country and you need to get involved locally. But the reason I'm hopeful is because platforms like your show

1:47:12exist where we can actually have these conversations and do it out there in a way that we can discuss these things. In other points in history, this did not work because people could just be shut down. And that's why I'm actually very, very hopeful about where we are right now. Any thoughts about possible answers to the currency situation? How do you feel about cryptocurrencies, gold, silver? I know this will still upset people, but I'm still on the fence on crypto. Like the whole thing of we don't know who the guy that created Bitcoin is, it's just a white paper out there. Like to me, that sounds like a CIA program. But anyway, I'm on the fence on crypto. I like the idea of having something different. But to me, the only store of currency we've had for thousands of years is gold. The problem we would see with our currency is we're so far over our skis, we spent money for so long that we don't have. If you get us on a gold standard, it would be pretty bad

1:48:12for quite a while as we're trying to figure out what our currency is like. So I do think if you're going to do something like that, you also have to bring industry back here at the same time because we cannot be a service economy like we've had and fix our money. It doesn't work. So it also gets back to having larger tariffs to actually force companies to start trading here again. One thing we didn't get to yet is the state of censorship. And this seems to come in waves. But I am concerned about the future of voices and shows like this because the next wave of censorship could come any day now. I've already lost a YouTube channel with almost 50,000 subscribers. I just did a show right before this. And they're like, man, your numbers are really good. You're a good at shadow man. I'm like, yup. Shadow Manning is off the charts for all platforms. So this is another thing that's concerning. Where do you see this? Do you think that we'll still have these voices within five years?

1:49:18Well, I think it actually comes back to more of us getting loud. Oftentimes we want to say, oh, I have kids or I run a business or whatever it is. And it's when you get into a time in history, when people cannot speak, if you don't try to speak as well, you're enabling it. And I think that's the problem we have. We are in a time where everyone has to speak the truth. Because if we do not, there won't be anyone around in a number of years that can speak the truth. So it kind of comes down to, you know, I don't care about what your liabilities are, what you're responsible for, whatever. You have a responsibility to be out there and speaking the truth. And that comes down to all of us because they cannot censor hundreds of millions of people. But they can censor a few thousand or a million people. And I think that's what has to happen is we have to have this, you know, this kind of critical mass to be able to do that. Because if we don't, it's very easy to handle that, right? We look at what's happened on, you know, all the people that I kicked off a Twitter all the, off the, over the years. And all of who I can't, like myself, speak on YouTube. So it's a big problem, man.

1:50:19That day ever comes where we get kicked off the air. It's gonna be making a Mad Max style vehicle with a bullhorn on the top and me just riding around yelling my show to people. So if it ever comes to that, I can't, I keep thinking, I keep thinking of the days, I don't remember this is Alex Jones drive around the bullhorn with his van and stuff. That makes me think exactly that. Hey, man, you never know. He could come to that. So last few minutes we have, tell us a little bit about your podcast. Yes, so my show is called the Jeremy Ryan Slate Show. Many years ago, about 10 years ago, we started as the creator on life show, but after the effects of 2020, a lot of the things that I've always talked about privately, I actually can't, Grassroots campaign for Ron Paul twice. I started talking about publicly because I got to a point where I'm like, I can't stand for this anymore. So we talk about politics, culture, things that matter the most, handling your health the right way because a lot of the information you get at that is bad. So we try to help people be less effect and more positive in the world out there.

1:51:20And we're having some really great conversations to help people at the moment. We're bigger in audio than we are in video because it is a little bit harder to censor an audio podcast. But man, we have gotten crushed on YouTube in the last couple of years. Yeah, it's not a good time to be talking about this stuff on YouTube. We just keep creating new channels and stuff and hopefully one of them will stick. But Jeremy, thank you so much. This was fantastic information. Before we close out, let the audience know one more time where they can find more about you, your podcast, and get all your content. Yeah, so once again, thanks for having me. If people out there are business owners or they're people with a big message and they want to get the word out there, that's exactly what we help people do at my company, Command Your Brand. So I put together a really great resource for them called Command Your Empire. So if they go over to Command Your Empire.com, it's going to cover a lot of the basics you need to know to avoid censorship, get out there, get your message out there and really start making an impact. So Command Your Empire.com where they can find me. I am Jeremy Ryan Slate on every platform.

1:52:21I only use my middle name because my parents named me after a cowboy actor, not because I am a serial killer in assassin of some sort, because often people with three names are. I use it just so I can get found. Excellent. Jeremy, thank you so much. Great information. Love to have you back on in the future. Much more we can discuss. And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow. See y'all there. Hello friends. Have you tried what may be the most powerful antioxidant known to man? C60 purple power. My C60 story has led me to great health mentally and physically. It's helped me personally lose weight, have more energy and fight aging in general. You can also get C60 for your pets. Our dogs love it. They may live forever. Go check out C60 for yourself. If you use the link right in the description, you're going to get 10% off your order plus free shipping. They have some incredible new products

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