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We discuss the scandal around the heinous Vanity Fair party lighting, Mark Guiducci's interview with Puck, the enduring genius of Sharon Stone, Tracey Emin's retrospective and the dream of being painters, romanticising spin class, Devil Wears Prada 2, reading 'Mating in Captivity', & more.
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Hello
I was excited about this today
I have a lot of these books, and I thought fuck it. I'm not going cancel cancel cancel
like cancel booking
Do you have the fear? Yeah, I need to I
Find it hard like I guess you're in a bit of a
Routine with exercising, but I find for me I haven't really gone to classes since I had Eli
Which like there's no reason for it at this point. It's just like cheerlaziness, but I find it hard to self
I like I need to create a romantic fantasy of
myself is like a
Pilates person or an F-45 person or like I have to buy into some sort of fantasy to like get myself there
You have to say that you already are the thing
That's what atomic habits see it and instead of saying I want to be a
Pilates girl you say I am a Pilates girl and what would a Pilates girl do? She would go to Pilates
Go to Pilates?
One at least once a year
Yeah, I don't know I
Dropped it off forever and then I was like okay, this is this is just stupid and so I just made a rule where I just have to go
Every second day and and so even though I canceled this morning. I'm gonna go this afternoon because
This morning I was like sometimes just feels like a treat even though I have to pay that $20
It's it's a self-care moment to myself to just like
Fucking relax at home for the morning. I made a smoothie. I made a coffee. I set outside
Yeah, that's nice, but yeah, I need to
Do more than just this
Because you don't walk it all in London. I mean in LA. Yeah, yeah, the walking was really really good last year
I
I like the idea of of getting
It's like weird fit like jacked like doing an F45 or like a Barry's or something that's totally outdated and like not the thing to do anymore
And I discovered I was like that's kind of appealing to me right now, but I do have an extreme. I
Do like extremes like instead of just going to Pilates twice a week in my head. I'm like I like that too. Yeah
Um, I love
Both Barry's and if 45 I got into if 45 like randomly again. I got into it in like 2017 and Sydney
Yeah, like every night and then I got into it again
Recently a couple of years ago and what circuit circuit training is that what it is yeah circuit training
I just the thing with that is
um
It's just quite fast and I think in less you know how to
properly lift weights and like what to do in those areas you can hurt yourself quite easily and I can really imagine you
Yeah, like pulling the floor back to the table
Myself trying to like deadlift 100 kilos. Yeah, um, but I think Barry's is I mean Barry's is sort of similar, but I think the weight stuff they do is less
Um, like it's it's not as hard to get your head around
I feel like I could see you doing
I know I hate spin that we know I hate spin too
Hate it and would love the idea of it like love the idea of being in a room blasting like the spy skills at 9 a.m
With a bunch of like girls and games that I hate cycling. Yeah, yeah, I really really don't like it either
It makes me feel weird
Like it makes me
Yeah, it makes it makes you feel like I'm just like peddling peddling, but like what am I peddling for? I don't know
It actually does like it does do that crazy thing where
You're in dolphins and then like they're saying the positive stuff and then you like start crying like that that has happened to me in spin for sure and
I can't coordinate the up and down like I don't
Not either and then I start with an arm stuff with the weights that I'm not I'm so uncoordinated
So
But I what I actually really could see you getting into what I think that you
Spiritually should be into is running because yeah, it's something that's kind of like
The one thing about it. I think I think
Once you got into it, you would just be like this suits me so much because you can listen to a podcast and run the
Or a beautiful park. I love that you can do it slow and at your own pace and at any time you want and it like I
I love that idea too
I really do because I don't walk like
Maybe walking just you
Maybe walking just think because I hate walking
I love the dye that go for a walk
Yeah, I don't like a
A meaningless walk, but I I love the idea
Like the best time I had last year with
Eli was when I realized that if he was in the prime and moving he was just happy
So I would walk to like so-ho
And then nodding I'd walk like 35,000 steps in a day or something because I just would walk the whole city and I loved that
Um, but now he doesn't like being in the prime as much so I'm finding it harder and I can feel myself getting like a bit
lethargic from not
moving as much
I just I can't do at home. I can't do I keep being like you have to learn discipline you have to learn focus you it's just so
It's no, oh, so there's a really cute. Oh, no, you don't look around there anymore
But I think what you should do is just try find a little we take
Jim around your area and then just start going to classes there like whatever classes they do like if they do a strength class
if they do a circuit class
um, I kind of hate hit classes um
Yeah, doing like a strength class is cute. Yeah, I love that. I love that you're probably muscular arms
I love having muscles muscles like um
I suddenly noticed that when I was rewatching friends years ago. I was like oh their arms
They like Courtney Cox and Jennifer I said how that must they're not just like they were muscle-y
I think these these girls are strong
These girls are ripped. These girls are nice. I just went to Alex the other day. I was like I want you to come to
reform it with me because I know that I'll be so much better than you
At it and he was kind of a little cocky where he was like I'm pretty like I'm not going to be that bad and I was like
A you will be mb
I'm really fit and then I was like oh my god
He doesn't even know me as a fit person because since he's known me. I haven't really I've been going to Pilates like every
Other day, but nothing other than that and whereas I used to be just like run all through London winter
Just running and running and running and I was like this this fucking guy
Doesn't even know that I'm a fit strong girl
That's like special though because I don't have we talked about this
I listened to the audio book of meaning and captivity as steparls book recently
Did you yeah, it was because I listened to her on Bella Freud's podcast and she was talking about it
And I was like oh, I've read her book the state of affairs, but I haven't read meaning and captivity
It's like so mind-blowingly amazing
I feel like when I listen or read books like that. I think it's so crazy
That that information just exists out there and every single person doesn't have to read it because it would save
So many relationships
It's yeah, she basically says that that there's this idea in like
Western particularly american romance that
Increased intimacy is like closeness and knowing more about each other and knowing each other's thoughts and involving each other and like more and more parts of your life
So talking to them about everything that's going on with work everything that's going on with your friends
Everything you ate in a day everything like that's what builds intimacy
And her whole argument is like that's what kills intimacy because the reason you're so attracted to your partner when you first meet them
Is like they feel separate to you and there's so much you don't know and that's where like eroticism exists in the separateness
So she says the whole dance is obviously when you are with someone long-term
Naturally like there's less separateness because you have all the same friends
You know each other's family and there's like routine and stuff
But you have to work to maintain
The separateness in your relationship
So like she talks about letting your partner see you in context
They're not used to seeing you because so many people say it's when they're most attracted to their partner when they go
Oh, I didn't know this about you or like oh, I don't know you were
The fittest girl in the Pilates glasses something it gives them like a new context when they start to feel like they know
Everything totally that's so true
But yeah, it's it's very hard obviously because it's like when you're
Living together
Yeah, but I kind of I kind of even noticed that recently because I mean now it's just kind of he travels a lot
Which which does add to the that's like that's like obviously a good thing for the yeah for keeping the eroticism or whatever
And even just like tonight he was like
Is it go yeah, should I do this dinner with these like guys in New York
Who are just like this this different this group of like random people that came together for this kind of
Intellectual summit at his at the mountain a few months ago, and he was like oh, I found it really
Stimulating and maybe we should all meet in New York or should I just go get a drink with like our mutual friend with page
And I was like I do it. I was like do whatever
And he looked okay. I think I'm gonna do this
Dinner and I was like okay, and I was just so zoned out like not even thinking about it
And then he was like yeah, there's dinner party. I'm throwing and I was like wait what you're throwing
I thought you guys were going to a restaurant
He was like no like this girl. I know has this crazy loft in New York and she started like hiring it out for people to
Have dinner events and so now all of that then we're coming to it
And then she's also inviting 15 people when it's this huge dinner party
He's like co-throwing with this girl in New York, and I was like what
And I was like that
I was like what is going on tonight
Like if that was
Yeah, like
Yeah, and this this happened like two days ago and this this sort of taken me like like four years and like 70
Zoom calls to organize
Um, but like it's that thing it's just being like wait who is this person who are these people?
What is this space? Where are you going and it like adds to that like mystique
Totally such a nice thing. I don't have that at all. I just sit at his house like all day every day when he's not there
Yeah, but it's it's also like the I I found with Zach recently was like anything to do with creative projects or something
I try to
Get him across every single element of it in this way that's it's kind of like why who are you doing this for?
It's there's something nice about like being on your own shit and being like just in your own world and your own land doing your own thing and not
Fort like shoving someone into every element of that. It's just very easy to do
Yeah, but there was something I loved loved about like how it felt to just sit with things that I didn't have to spill
And when you're home with a baby all the time you're kind of just like
When they come home
Yeah, and I can feel myself just
Boring him to fucking tears like because also nothing's happened as well
I mean, I'm like that with the animals like when I when I let my guard down and I start being my true self
I'm literally like look at look at Polly look at her look. I'm like sending videos
Yesterday I was like sending videos of of Polly at work just being like look at her like and then I was like, okay
This is not that interesting. Keep it to yourself. Okay
Okay, you know, yeah, I I feel like it's a very good
Thing to remember because we were kind of doing the opposite thing where it was like a couple of weeks ago
We were just like, oh my god. I love doing everything together. Let's just start doing everything together
Which is beautiful. Yeah, yeah, but I was like let's like I was like when you go swimming
I'll go to Pilates and then we'll get home at the exact same time and then we'll make dinner together
And then we'll do this together and like that is very cute, but
Yeah, there's something so romantic about just like
Doing your own thing and it is so hot seeing someone
Have their own shit going on. Yeah. Yeah
100% I want to listen to it. I didn't realize it was about that at all
Yeah, it's really really good. It's about eight hours on audible like it's not crazy long a little audible
cranked back up
Back on speaking of audible. I just
Whipped through Sharon Stone's memoir
Love fucking love Sharon Stone. I am obsessed with her
So last week when we were like I think we just finished the pod and I was like oh my god. Sorry my phone's blowing up
Um and my friend was asking if I could interview Sharon Stone
Like the next day and I was like oh my god because it's my special day and I'm going away
Um a beautiful text to receive nonetheless
Yeah, beautiful video. I know I was like I was like I really want to but I was like is there any flexibility?
Like it's literally my birthday. I'm not in LA
Which is like no flexibility and I was like okay, we're late fine
And then they moved it to those day
So I could do it
And I like
I've always loved her kind of abstractly like I don't I actually watched her in casino and um January
Yeah, love which was the first time I'd ever seen it at the and I saw it at the cinema which was amazing and
then I
Yeah, it was like
basically
Started playing her memoir lids so much about her rewatch her and basic instinct on my birthday night
Which was here in the form and um
Then interviewed her and she was
It's perfect
Was the interview for her memoir or did her memoir come out a while ago
Her memoir came out ages ago. It was just kind of like an easy way for me to
Her memoir came out remember when everyone said talking about the scene and basic instinct and how she didn't realize that
That was what was happening is that true so she genuinely wasn't told
So she had underwear on and the shot was meant to make it look like she didn't have underwear on
Well she while she still did and then the director told her that
She was like, oh, can you just take the underwear off because it's kind of reflecting on the camera
So it can tell that you have underwear on so she took it off not realizing they could see straight at first go
And then the first shit
Yeah, and then the first time she saw that scene was in a like room full of
The whole casting crew watching it for the first time and she freaked out left the room called her lawyers
Was gonna try and like get the whole thing shut down
And then she says in a memoir that she sat back for a second and was like
I need to see this outside of myself and I need to just see this as like a movie and what's gonna make the best movie
And obviously that's an insanely amazing shot if it wasn't my own
vagina and so she
Ended up letting them do it, but she was like
super shocked had no idea
That's really fascinating because
Yeah, it's it it remains like I think in an era where there's so much over
oversaturation and so much like sexualization and porn and whatever
It's it's like still to this day when you watch it quite
scandalizing
But not because it's so
Um
It's not even it's not even that like
Well the first time I saw it I was like, oh this is what everyone made such a big deal about like it's a small tiny moment
It's literally just like half a second half a second
There's something so erotic about it because it's so I don't know it's like because it's not so
What is the word I'm trying to think of?
It's not like penthouse like it's like it's something more restrained is just like the definition of an iconic cinema moment
So it's very cool that I don't like that that's how it came about
But it's very cool for to have seen that
Totally yeah, but it's also very hard to convey
now the amount of
Like the uproar that caused yeah, yeah, it was
Absolutely insane like she went from being
I know everybody to being the most famous person in the entire world
Not just because that film was a huge success, but because of that scene and so she was just like
It was she was it was a scandalized like she was being called a whore
She was being like chased down the street. She couldn't go anywhere and public anymore
The police had to move her out of her house like I don't even understand. I was reading this interview
for research and they and
They said that when I think they were trying to convey how famous she was, but they said when OJ was on the run
I think I think what they were trying to say was like when OJ was on the run and all the police and all of the world
We're watching this car chase down the freeway
Other police officers had to come to Sharon's turns house and move her into a safe house because she was so unsafe from like fans
Oh, wow, I didn't I didn't I still didn't really get the OJ correlation
I was like was he coming for her or just fans
But she had to get moved into a safe house because she was just yeah, it was like
So Hector and she also said it was crazy because she got paid. I think um
My god, what's his name Michael
Costa he got paid yeah, Michael does he got paid $15 million for that role and she got paid seven hundred thousand
And he was already like a massive actor and she was she was a nobody to the point where I think 12 actresses had refused the role before they actually
But was it wasn't casino before
Because is it no casino was after great. I thought casino was her breakout role
No, yeah casino is her second big one. I mean it was like right after
So cool, but
Yeah, so she got paid seven hundred thousand dollars and it's suddenly having to have the enough money to
Yeah, like doesn't have the infrastructure. Yeah, she doesn't have the infrastructure. She's lived on in a normal house
That's wild
But her life has been
absolutely
Insane so she in
2001 like right after the fucking 911 she suffered a
brain aneurysm
She had like a like a stroke
And then was bleeding in the brain for nine days without anyone realizing and she was like so she went into the hospital
But no one knew what was going on with the bleeding in the brain
And then she back she got told she had a one percent chance of survival and survived it and then for years afterwards
like couldn't hear out of one ear couldn't walk properly like
So crazy
Hmm. Oh, she's so heaven. So what's what what was she like when you met her?
she
So she's no one for being kind of
Like what's the word? I think she's like breastly
Yeah, and I think it's just because she kind of she's very smart. She knows her word. She talks she speaks her mind
She says how much she talks about feminism all the time she talks about like
I don't know women aging and Hollywood she talks about
I don't she's just very outspoken and I think people obviously like hate that and a woman in a woman
Basically the my editor who commissioned me was just like I just want
You to know that like maybe at the start she might take a second to warm up to you
And I was kind of like
Honestly, I love that about a person. I love that. That's why I love cats
Yeah, right run up and jump on everyone's fucking lap and lick them in the face before you
Let everyone over you like a challenge. Yeah, and um
So I went into it kind of just
Not I was I was just like I'm gonna match her energy
But also through reading her
This is so funny because it makes me sound like I'm like saying something really nice about myself
But through reading her memoir I kind of realized she's quite psychic
And I think she really reads people's energies and I was like I'm gonna come into this
channeling the energy of my raky mother
Yeah, and like just be very chill and and kind of and she
At the start
Was a little like who are you?
Basically, and I was like honestly fair enough her where my your sharing stone
And then she warmed up and she was amazing and she was so funny and it was this interview
Between I don't know how much I can actually say before it comes out of like the format, but she was
Hilarious and she's been painting since the pandemic and she's like
She basically picked up a paintbrush from the pandemic
She was really good at painting when she was younger and she went to art school before she dropped out and started acting and
Her paintings are amazing
Like she she's very very good at it. It's because she actually she paints all day every day in her house
And she doesn't even like I don't I don't know if she doesn't care about acting anymore, but I think paintings given her this like
Way to be artistic and creative without having to rely on anyone else and she's just like one over the art world
It's like so I got it. It's so cool
I always think especially nowadays that the coolest job in the world is being a painter
There's just something about like being in a room with the canvas and the pet like I just read this
I try to go to Tracy Evans new retrospective at the tape on Friday, but they it's like so insanely
I've never thought to book a ticket for exhibition in advance and it was like
You can go in four hours. It was really weird
Wow
But I read this book that has just been published. I can't what it's called
It's called my heart is this and it's conversations with her and this art critic about
Because you know Tracy. I meant it used to be all those like neon signs like the neon writing that was really what she was known for
As well as like my bed the installation stuff
That now she basically just paints and this whole book is about this whole process of her
Avoiding painting. She's so fucking cool. She did this
She was kind of painting kind of doing photography kind of doing installation pieces
And then wanted to get back into painting in like the early 2000s
And so she did a performance art piece in like Amsterdam
Where it was just her naked in a room trying to make herself paint for like 10 days
And you could just come and like watch her and she'd sleep and like eat and go to the bathroom and then try and paint again
And she'd paint something in destroy it and whatever but she turned that
Into the art which is so cool
But uh, she just writes so late in this book so much of it is about how exactly the same thing she sits in a studio nine hours a day every single day
Um, I felt so jealous reading it and she said that her favorite painting
She's ever done which a lot of people consider to be like a masterpiece. It's called my ship or something
She painted it. It's like such icon behavior. She painted it
Looked at it and was like fuck that's I think the best painting I've ever done
sent a photo to her
Like assistant and her galorist or her agent or something
Ah, and they're like holy fuck that's amazing
And then she got wasted drunk two bottles of wine and like painted over and woke up and took it and was like what the fuck
My god
And then she spanned it around and like played with it some more and then she was like and then it was even better
Yeah
Got drunk and painted over it
Drunk and painted over it drank like two bottles of wine. She's so she's painted the coolest
Painters are the fucking coolest. Yeah, and I
Yeah, but also like I get obviously obviously you have to have the talent but at the same time Sharon Stone was just like
She just locked herself in her bedroom. She said her sons were like please mom
Until like come out like she's like
Just bought all of these canvases and then so it's selling her furniture so the canvases would fit in the house
Like she was just like deranged and we're just paint and paint and paint and her whole thing is like
She says in her memoir at one point that like she loves which is I don't know why it kind of just stuck with me
She talked about how she loves meeting priests or monks or like rabbis just anyone who
Who has this
Faith but also just like a vocation and dedicates their lives to something and learning about something and kind of like living
Living for it and then she was like and then she also talks about discipline a lot
And she just she just she's I mean to be fair like I actually love her like early work almost the most
But she's just gotten better and better and she started doing so it was um landscapes
very like abstract expressionism
type
emotive sort of like
paint
Slashes and then she started doing portraits which I don't like as much and now she's gone back to landscapes
And it was so iconic when I was talking to her she was like I
She was like I just painted this today and it was just like above her five place already
Like the game just icon babe. I was just like I just want it up there
Completely. It's so good. Yeah, and then it said I googled Sharon Stone reviews and it says the second searches
How did Sharon Stone lose 18 million dollars and it says that it was this in the book. She
All her finances were like mismanaged while she was recovering from her stroke
Yeah
Just you know that discuss oh no, no, I don't know. I I like kind of a remember if that wasn't uh
Um, but I'm just sending you my favorite
Why did they not work?
A very piece of her arm. Oh beautiful. It's so so nice, right? It really is
um
But yeah, absolute
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Howdy howdy ho and welcome to fantasy fanfellas. I'm Hayden producer of the fantasy fangirls podcast and your resident lover of all things
Sanderson and I'm Steven your bookish internet goofball, but you can call me the smash daddy
And we are currently deep diving Brandon Sanderson's fantasy epic misborn, but here's the catch
Steven here has not read misborn before that's right hey hey
So each week you'll get my unfiltered raw reactions to every single chapter and along the way
We'll do character deep dives magic explainers and Steven will even try to guess what's next spoiler alert
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Um
And yeah, I'm just glad she exists. I want her to have another exhibition
In LA so I can yeah, so you can go so you can buy one for the abode
Um, should we talk about we talked to last week about the Oscars and Vanity Fair
Afterparty um, but like in the days afterwards this like
Uh, a Hollywood reporter article came out about how scandalized all the attendees were by the bad lighting
And I have to say the lighting was truly
Fishes there's not the word for it. I don't I can't understand how that happened especially with the new EIC kind of
Cutting the guest list and half and being super um
strategic and like I don't know about the whole thing like how was the lighting that bad
I had a moment of being like was it on purpose as like a talking point or like a putting celebrities in their place or something
because it just felt like
Difficult to imagine how that could slip through the cracks because it's not hard to light people in a flattering way like the
Like it was it was harsh and light than
normal
I don't know just like a flash camera paparazzi photo that's like absolutely not being lit like it was it was
Raw overhead
Like the trumpets and that issue
Uh, so I I did wonder like I don't know. He seems like a bit of a master of
The spin and publicity and I'm like I don't know. I's probably too conspiratorial, but I just don't
I just feel like he wouldn't want to
To be pissed off. Yeah, he cut the guest list and half and then he wants the people who come to want to come back obviously
I
And I like completely heinous unforgivable way. Obviously. I loved it because it was like
fascinating to see
or
There's always this sense I think of like people in
Hollywood now get this work done that like make some look good
On camera or in like a filtered Instagram photo, but if especially when we've seen people at the shows and stuff in real life looks quite jarring
um, but you never
Really see it, but I don't know. It's just it was just strange
I felt too close to home for me. I literally had a dream the other night
that I
It's like snow white at a dream that I looked in the mirror and then and I'd wrinkles everywhere
But it was like I was this old, but I was like
But I was like no, but like I was I was the same. I dream now. I look the exact same. I do now
But I just like it was like this close up and there were like all these crazy wrinkles under my eye like everywhere
And I was like, oh my god. This is just what I look like right now. What the hell?
L.A. Dream.
Permiated my
Yeah, my subconscious
Yeah, I mean, I haven't like clipped through all of the images, but I but I feel like at my it must have been a mistake
But also how could it have been a mistake because when you do lighting like you do a billion tests
You're people stand there and you check the lighting. Exactly. I think I think it was like I'm not saying that he planned to
Make people look at attracting them like a gotcha way
But I think he wanted the images to look differently this year or for it to feel a bit more like I think he was trying to do something different
Right. Yeah, yeah, just the color
Like the gray
I know
What is this bit that's like so the the quotes which is truly outrageous, but one of them was really funny
Also while you find out I want to talk about the carpet for a second because I saw this
Real of this girl who went this is went to the Oscars the next morning after they packed down and was trying to get
Some of the red carpet for her house
And she got there at 8 a.m. And then she was like fuck it's all gone like it's it's completely cleared out like the whole things
That I know I I knew I should have gone to her at 5 and she was like let me just go check the dumpsters
And she goes around the back and they've just dumped all of this carpet in the van
Wait, is this is this a thing people voted
Like it's not a thing. She just she just did it. Oh
That's insane. I know and then she um
Went around the back and then was just so but it was like huge like huge rolled up things like you she couldn't carry
So she's like in the trying to get in the dumpster to get the smallest piece she can find
And the smallest but she can find is still like a huge huge rug
And so she's like
Hauling it like pulling it down the road and she gets at home and cuts it and gets it cut and put into her house
Put into her house because it's like good quality. I don't know if it would be good
Why would it why they're like why did she want it? I
Guess just for like free rug
The drugs are expensive
I think they just aren't expensive, but yeah, I would say something to not get good quality if they're gonna like throw it in the van the next day
Exactly, and is it true? Is it trodden? I guess it's it's like kind of a piece of history. I would ask them yes
The foot shapes of
Gwyneth and
Timmy and Nicole
Someone goes in this article. I've been shot at a million parties of anonymous long-time Oscar party fixture
I've been shot at a million parties, but the setup for that party was always sublime when you pose for the pat at the vf
Gala even the ugliest stars knew they'd come out all right. It was like magic
And they say but on the side of the stars
It was so crazy right there. I felt like I was standing under clear glides. It was like a hundred degrees. Anyway, I
I listened to the new
editor um
Mark
Is it judu judu chi?
Gwadu chi?
Yeah, it's the anti-anti-anti-atalian
behavior. Mark even pronounced swallowing
Gwadu chi
went on pucks
The the the town talk of the town
I listened to it too after you said that to me. Did you love it? I thought it was so great
I was like I love that there's interviews like this happening now where they're a little bit combative and
Yeah, I did really like it. The part guy was funny. He was just like tell me who you cut from the gist list
And he was like, I'm not gonna do that. He was like a magazine's even relevant anymore. Come on tell the truth
They're not because he found it. I found it park Matthew Bellamy and um
Was it the Hollywood report of ages and I like how bullish he was on it
Yeah, he was like let me tell you what I think it vanity fear. Yeah, he was like okay
I know I didn't even realize it was video I was driving and realized it was video into a halfway through and then I put the video on my phone
Was I drove just like it's his facial reactions there was these weird cuts like I think he
Called him afterwards. I was like cut that cut that cut that
Oh, really? I didn't know. It was just like awkwardly. There was just some awkward cuts, but they think that's really funny
Yeah, yeah
Um, that's really funny because I kind of thought that I was like it's crazy that they're just like leaving the whole thing
Um, but when he was like he was like okay, you tell me
What your idea of you're like your new vanity ferris and let me tell you what the role of vanity ferris
And he was like the problem is which is kind of what we've seen is that
You he was talking about Hollywood specifically and he was like you don't like
You kind of have to be you kind of have to do puff pieces today
Yeah, you could it like access journalism which is probably a phrase forever, but I was like that's literally it like you can't
To get the access you can't do
Proper journalism anymore because why would someone talk to you?
Yeah, it's like why would a PR lead someone be on the cover if they think you're gonna
Thrash them, but Mark was basically being like that's not true
Like we do and he was like like the politics one of like all the Republicans um, and he was just like
No, I'm not talking about politics. I'm talking about Hollywood like I don't see you guys slamming celebrities or slamming like
A director or someone just big in Hollywood anymore because
Yeah, and you're not gonna get the access to not only that celebrity, but every other celebrity that PR
Thumb represents and like most of them and just with the three big major ones
That I that's sorry the thing I meant to say before that was why it was in my head of why I thought maybe the vanity ferris lighting was on purpose
Because we didn't really talk about it at the time because it was over Christmas and we were on break
That there was this big scandal with his vanity fair where he sent a
photojournalist into the White House and then like proceeded to take quite truly the most heinous images
You could ever imagine of like the JD bands and like
I think Rubio and a few other people and he says look we do that. We're not afraid to take on the White House
But it's like he is never gonna get access to the White House ever ever ever again
Like that's just the reality of the way it works. So he did that one time
but um
Yeah, the point kind of stands. It's funny that the interviewers with Park because in a lot of ways Park is kind of doing
What old vanity fair did because they're like
upstudy and
Less polished and they are kind of able to go after things in that way
Like Lauren Sherman can be really honest about what she thinks about shows and like what rumors are in the fashion industry because they're not sponsored by
Louis Vuitton and Dior
Exactly. What else was he saying in that that was interesting?
He said yeah, he's cutting the part you cut the party
size and half
um
Because he wants to make it more exclusive again because basically vanity fairs kind of become
Which is what this which is what the guy on the podcast was saying he was just like
Yeah, so you know like the vanity fair party is now just a place where people like pop in then they leave
Because there's too many people there and there's people taking videos and then they go to like fiancee's party
Which is where they really want to be
Um, but it kind of is that thing if like people will pop in
Pajrata, I think ocean john's party is the same people like pop in and then they go to vanity fair
If they have an invite and then if they have an invite to a different one they leave vanity fair and all the people that
Don't have invites other ones stay
Yeah, yeah, it must be so complicated because there was this quote in this Hollywood reporter piece from Emma Stone
Who made like a little bit of a snide comment about the vanity fair party
She's uh someone asked if she was gonna be there and apparently she shrugged and said it's really weird
Even if you're nominated it doesn't mean you can go like obviously Emma Stone was invited
But I was thinking how probably back in the day
The Emma stones of the world could just bring whoever they wanted because probably at those after parties
You want to hang out with a bunch of people in like sound and music and like the crew on your film
And if they're all suddenly like not allowed to come
Must just be a head fog
Yeah, like she was probably talking about how she thinks she can't get in with her friends or something. Yeah
Yeah, because he also said the guy
What's who's this pop pop guy what's her name?
Uh, is it Matthew?
Oh yeah, Matthew and Belonin
Matthew
Yeah, Matthew
Maybe called Matt as a nickname. I'm not sure was like um
He was like so can all the
Oscar nominees go and he goes all the winners can go and I was like okay
So like you don't know you're you're going to this party until you win
And then he was like yeah, but like if Timothy Shalamey rocks up with all his publicists and like
Yeah, producers and a and a crew of like 20 people can they get it and he was like yeah
Sorry, not Timothy. Yeah, that was confusing. Um, Michael. We joined
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he said Timothy because I think it was it was pretty it was it was like
God god hell that guy looked stressed in that video. I was like I can only imagine
The I don't even reckon he's getting that
Yeah, actually he probably is I was gonna say he's probably not getting that much
It's probably going through like other people in his team, but he probably is from like really have agents at like WM
and stuff calling him and like screaming at him
And have to be like
Thank you
Probably mainly screaming at his assistant or right, but some would get through
Imagine man in the door
Yeah, Hallesh, Hallesh, some of many people would show up without being on the list
Yeah, and like you say they'd show up with an entourage of like like Timothy Shalamey would just arrive with like 20 people around him
And they'd they'd just be trying to shove everyone in
And people would be like wait what you got like god bless those door people
Yeah, because also like I'm with Timothy like literally being walked in with Timothy Shalamey should get you in like would usually get you in absolutely anywhere
Yeah
Yeah, there his instincts are right. It's right to turn this into a
Kind of court controversy in some ways and I liked that he at the end he doubled down and put him a liner on the cover
um
Which I like that he did that like he he kind of said we're trying to create
Like journalism and like portraits of you know what vanity fair was in like the great and garter tina brown heyday
The problem is like I understand the fantasy but it just isn't gonna happen like the the
The only way that works is if someone is in you're in a power dynamic way you have to hand over that power to somebody
Then just no one anywhere will
Even like an aOC would do a cover maybe
He said it was so interesting how he said that no Kardashian had ever been on the cover
I vaguely remember that green cutter never wanted to cut actually on the cover
Which is
I mean you've got to give it to Anna like she really did put Kim on the cover at the precise moment that caused the maximum
PR upset like it was perfect timing people lost their fucking minds
Yeah
So crazy
It's funny also because you would think she like what I think of Anna as is not someone who wants to do that
Yeah, she has these like instincts that are kind of baller
Yeah
No totally I would just think that she would be such a kind of um gatekeeper of the Kardashians not getting into fashion that she would like hate doing that yeah
Yeah, I love that that's wrong. That's not true
I'm curious what the next I saw and half the ways like on the cover of Harper's Bazaar promoting
um
Devil was part of two which I thought was interesting
Hmm, I'm nervous for this movie. I don't know if I have if it has my full vote of confidence, but not at all
Yeah, I saw the trailer again, and I was like the new trailer and I was like if these are the jokes they're pulling out for the trailer
Yeah god help us
um
Honestly
God help guys. I keep feeding to take my ADD pill. I'm gonna take it now
I keep like I just can't remember it's 10 that's okay. I'll still go to sleep tonight
The other day it was like midday and I was like should I take it should I not chat was like just try not to take it today
And I was like I can't do a single thing
Share someone goes I love you girls, but how much you use chairs really worried. That's a completely valid criticism
We
This morning I go. I know it's a really different, but there's me single parenting these two animals preparing me all for parent
It definitely does. I know that's what I said because I literally got home last night
spent four hours trying to research how to put a cat door in
Hmm because there's like different like I was like can it go through this glass pain and like the dimensions are wrong
I was like should it can it go here? I'm like measuring can it go here?
This is hot literally took me four hours and then I was like imagine like looking up the fucking truck
And then I was trying to find a new vet
And I was like imagine if you were trying to look up like candy gardens and schools for your kids and like yeah
Nannies and all this shit like the amount of research you have to do and then I work and then Polly was sick
So I had to make her rice and boil chicken and then I was like this is just like nonstop
I was right still still reading. I'm not finished
So I feel like we could talk about it um
Maybe on the patreon, but as part of that like you know how the cut did that
Oh baby weak
As part of it someone wrote a piece going maybe knowing too much about motherhood has ruined me. It feels impossible
To pass through my wants and my anxieties and fears. I wish I knew less
And I'm like halfway through reading it. It's really interesting. I think it's a really good point
I think for me
I really thought that I would be like a prepared reader
Across things listening to podcasts and I kind of can't put into words how little
I prepared
For anything and I it was definitely better for me like I think there's a certain point at which
Um, it's not to say it's all instinctual and you just know as much as it's like I don't really understand
Wigging yourself out for something difficult
Before
Presents itself because there's to me it it was just never helpful to read about like what to do with this abstract concept of a kid
That's not in front of you
But the crazy part about it is like once they are in front of you and you're like what the fuck's happening
Everything's so chaotic that you um
Really struggle to find time to do any research, but I don't know I agree with the sentiment of that article
The she's also saying she's not even researching
She's not even reading about motherhood like that. She just has which is kind of like me so many friends with babies
And she's in like a group chat of all of her friends of babies and they're talking about like
breastfeeding and latching and like so boy
Crazy crazy stuff non-stop and she was like
One sick and she'll read it and be like God I could never do this and then the next sick and she'll read it and be like wait
The joys of motherhood I need it and then the next sick and she's like I'm not like she was just like it's back and forth and it's like
Driving me insane and I was like that's kind of funny because I think I like think about it so much
Or like the ups and downs of it or the good and bad parts of it so much that it kind of makes me
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's it's not helpful because none of it. It's worth just yeah, she literally goes actually literally goes
I am just kind of I'm just like maybe I just
Fucking get pregnant and then there's no truth. There's no like thinking about it anymore
Yeah, it's like getting a tattoo like you know, it's been the first time
Think you get bad if you didn't have one because you just have one so you get on with it. Yeah
Yeah
Fish all interesting
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