FROM REFORM TO RE£££ORM - Feat. Ian Stone

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1:05We are back on our normal schedule which is a guest episode early in the week and there is a new era of British politics after the reform party to massive, hefty, clawed up in great, whole-kin donations. So here to discuss that with me is Ian Stone. I'm trying to think of a comedy link here in Stone. You've made many donations to comedy as a seasoned, I don't know. You were donated to the Labour Party? I don't know. What's your donation record? No, do you know what? The only donation I have ever made and people are not going to like this. On the day of Atonement in the synagogue, they'd ask you to make donations to Israel. And I have planted a number of trees in Israel. That shouldn't be controversial but in 2026 there will be some for whom it is. Plenty of trees. Fucking hell. You sign this boolika. Well exactly. I'm not saying where I planted them.

2:05It was actually a tree house. I don't want to go here because it was just that with set people. But we planted trees. But the thing was, you couldn't, because it's a Jewish festival and you couldn't write down the amount, what they do is they give you a little card and it would have various options of holes in it and you'd put the strings through the hole of the amount you wanted. And we would, as kids, we would quite enjoy going around people's individual cards and putting it through the 10,000 pound hole. So they'd get a letter from the synagogue. Thank you so much. You planted an entire forest and maybe like what? So yeah. And they didn't realize where everyone was being so pleasant to them and why their, why their sins were being overlooked by the rabbi a bit more freely that month. Yeah, never mind all that. That you're fine. Thanks for the truth. You're a good person deep down. One thing I also want to discuss with you before I mention the other subjects we'll be looking at is autumn. Obviously we had a prolonged, dependably good summer of hot weather.

3:10You know, like you can actually bank on it being good and then it's an annual thing for me as we move to autumn and you get these autumn lovers that I think they take pleasure in being contrarian in liking autumn in the first place. So I actually like autumn. I actually think it's some beautiful colors, beautiful leaves. You can have soup and none of it to me feels like I can, feels like an adequate compensation for the death of heat. I don't know where you stand on it. Soup. I mean, it doesn't love soup. I really do love soup. It's just not enough. You know, enough. No. Where do I stand? I mean, the colors are nice. I'm looking at me window now. There's some really nice colors. I'd rather it was hot. I'd rather it was hot if I'm honestly because I looked at a window and it was grey and I thought, oh, yeah, it's just going to get worse and worse in it. So I'm not, I'm not like I love autumn. I think it's a bit performative if you're actually going on about how much you love autumn. Yeah, I mean, that's my suspicion. And also, I think what you've nailed is when you said it's just going to get worse and

4:13worse, it's like that bit, you know, like when you mean you've veteran day rave dancers, that bit where you become conscious that it's the last hour and the moment you know it's the last hour, you might as well go. Just pack up and go there and then. Yeah. So you're basically saying that with the seasons as well. It's the middle of September. Stop it now. Yeah, yeah. So let's let's fucking, I think that's why bears started hibernating and they went fuck this, you know, do you think that's why? Yeah, I mean, I think there's something honest about winter, the stalkness of it. No fucking leaves, no hope. All is despair. That's true. The winter, no, the winter. I've always said this to you about Tory politicians. The Tory politicians I always had a certain admiration for would have one's like Norman Tebuk who said it like it was. I thought, I hate you, but you're honest about it. That's winter, right? Whereas, whereas Kenneth Baker, I know we're going back a bit, and it's a bit niche. He was like autumn to me.

5:14He was, he was trying to be all right. No, no, no, it's really nice. The colours, but I thought I know we can still, we can still sort it out. That's sort of five. So yeah, I'm with you really. I could do without autumn at all. And it's funny actually because somebody did say, oh, there might be a heat wave at the end of September. And I know we're meant to go. Not another one. Oh, good. That'd be great. I'll have a couple of weeks before finally we have to settle into soup every day's soup. Every day's soup, always with the soup. We're also going to be talking about the Lindsey Clancy trial. Now, I mentioned this quite a way back because I sort of got the sense that it was going to be a cultural war battleground. It ended up being very much that in the States. It was this case of this woman who killed her three children. And then the case was about her capability due to postpartum psychosis. But it's also worth mentioning again, because the juror, the lone male juror who held out is now sort of being gone after by the defense team and various parts of the American media.

6:14So we'll talk about the fact that maybe we should be grateful that our legal system isn't like theirs. And in the patron only season, I keep saying season here, a seasoned comedian, Ian Stone, is with all of his experience is going to give us an absolute belt out of a dearth story. New patrons, if you want the podcast early, add free and with bonus content, go to Patreon or you can do it for your Android device. You can even do it through Apple podcasts as well. You will get various benefits. There's some Jeff Norco on friends, gigs coming up early next year. And obviously you're going to get your name roasted. So the two we've got new patrons today, Ian, are Owen Phillips. Owen Phillips sounds like a diminutive little league one striker. And maybe that's because I'm thinking of Kevin Phillips and Michael Owen. I was thinking, be with see weatherman. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the regional lads. Regional player Owen Phillips with the weather in South Wales. Yeah, and he really, he really well wishes it up for the weather forecast. Do you know what? I don't know what that means when I like the sound of it.

7:17You know, like when you see a applied MPs and they talk about the ronda and they really go for the others. It looks too much here. All right. And then you sort of think, I've got a hunch that you don't roll them that hard when you're just in normal world's life. It's a normal world's life. Your normal world's life. It's like the, it's like the autumn people. And then we've got an amazing name, Les Gallup. Oh, our standing name, Les Gallup. Well, I sort of feel like that is a character in a mountain-amish book who is a bookie, like a kind of independent turf accountant, old school type bookie with a dodgy coat, a sinister hat. Yes, I would say I would say a night in 40s or 50s black and white English movie, you know, passport to Pimlico. Les Gallup would be the news agent or something who's had to move. Something like that, maybe. We're going to talk about piss-take prices now. So just an interesting thing, my working progress leg for next year has gone on sale.

8:20And it was pointed out to me by several people. As I've become the kind of standard bearer for value and not taking the piss-take prices, I've kind of made a rod for my own back in a lot of ways, right? Because the money is charging for your working progress. Well, the same as I did two years ago. So there you go. Right. But that's not answering the question. How much are they? What are they? We're not talking 20 quid, are we for working progress? No, no, no. We're talking like 15, 16s. Then obviously, you know, there's the bookie fee. And then this weird thing that something used to, venue facility fee. Who you are, tour places at that? Yes. Obviously, I don't see any of that a couple of people have asked me, but I've kept it stable, but I've sort of realized, what a fucking idiot. Now, at the moment, like if I was to try to increase the prices, I would have to mention myself on my own show. And I was thinking about value. By the way, thanks for everybody buying tickets. First few days of sale sales were excellent. I think the Sudbury Gilford already sold out, if not very close to. But I was thinking about how we perceived the value of comedy.

9:23Right? Right, 15, 20 quid for a tour ticket around the middle level. And we really agonise as comics, don't we, Barry? I know that you're touring again soon. Yeah, so I'm on the second leg of my looking for the whale to us. I've done a few and I'm back out on the road now. But we agonise about it. But then I was also told somebody moaning about the fact that AFC Wimbledon, it's like 27 quid for the away end, which is a lot of money instinctively. I'll go, that's a lot. But then I think about what people pay for a main course in a restaurant, right? And that is often around the 25 quid mock, just for something that you eat within about, let's be honest, seven and a half minutes. Wagumamas mate, Wagumamas are on the road. I'm eating in Wagumamas is 40 quid. I mean, I like it and everything, but it seems a lot to me. So I think 16 pounds plus a facility fee is very reasonable for an hour and a half of, you know, barely thought through stuff. Yeah, yeah. I'll read enough for laptop. I mean, I do think though, when you then think about it in that way, then you think about

10:28stand-ups. I'm not going to mention the name of the comic, but a comic with reasonable international profile paid the Hammersmith Apollo, recently was charging like 59 quid for tickets. I just think for a bloke with a mic, that is long, isn't it? With bands, with shows, you know, with people that have pirated techniques or whatever, just because the simplicity of the art form, we should be able to keep it reasonable, right? I think 59, I don't know the comic is, so... Oh, I will bleep it out. Bleep it out. 59 quid. You can say what you really think, because I'll have bleeped out. No, he's good. He's good. I mean... He's not 59 quid, is he? Well, I don't know. I'm not sure he is, but I'm not sure anyone is, to be honest with you, for six, because it's all says not just you. It's you and your partner, let's say, or you mate, plus you might go for a bite to eat. It's costing you 250 quid to get for a night out, and it just seems a bit much, really. When it comes to stand up, you could, literally, you could re-animate the corpse of Richard

11:30Pryor, and I would still go 59 pound now. No, you're right. Right. Whereas I would go and see that, to be honest with you, I would pay over the odds for that, if I'm honest. All right. The only person that can charge 50 on quid is a reanimated Richard Pryor. The main talking point, our super patron who elaborates and illuminates on points made in previous episodes. So I was going through the venues for my work in progress, like... And I was mentioning a lot of places that sounded like they had prisons. So I said, like Ailsbury, Wolfer Hampton, Sudbury. It turns out Ailsbury, it does have a prison, I knew that. But there isn't a Majesty's prison in Sudbury. It's in Derbyshire instead of Suffolk. Wolfer Hampton has three prisons. That is not a surprise to anybody that's been to Wolfer Hampton. Three prisons. Yeah, apparently, yeah. Is that a good idea to build them so close to one another? I mean, I don't know. Is it not that it? What does it matter, I suppose? They're being kept in. It's not like they're going to knit across chat.

12:31Well, they probably do, though, don't they? They're probably drones and fucking... They're sent drones between prisons. It's nice enough that you can throw drugs over the wall without having to use the drones. Yeah, they're also... I got a bit of pushback because I'm doing a tour show in... Well, I said from... From, mate. Come on. From. Well, then spill it like that. I mean, it's like, you know, the place in Oxfordshire, tame. Yeah, there's nothing for that. Yeah, there's nothing, listen, I went to do a gig in a place that they called Chiddingly, right? But it's actually spelled Chiddingly. Of course, it's spelled Chiddingly. And I was saying how friendly they were, right? Obviously. And they appreciated that. They really did. But it's... There's no need for it, is there, really? And they got so arse, how is there so great to be here in Chiddingly? But they're almost waiting for you to say it, aren't they? Because they quite enjoy it. They're a little pet peeve. I remember there was a period in the northeast where, like, comedians from London used to get stick from going up north. And the stereotype was, and doing jokes about the tube,

13:31you know, the tube network or tube travel. So I used to open with a joke about so I was on the tube the other day and then they would all start bracing and I go, oh, fuck off. You know what the tube is, all right? Like, don't act like just because you haven't got one here. You know, by the way, Liverpool's got one. Newcastle has got a Metro. I think it was just jealousy, actually. I think it was just jealousy. You got any upcoming dates in Liverpool or Newcastle, man? Just a... I never gig in Liverpool. You never gig in Liverpool. No, I've just feel like the demand would be soft. Let's put it that way. And the last time I tried to do a tour show there was 2017. It was a long time ago, mid-lead, or maybe 2018. And it was a hot water venue. And we went for the smallest possible room, like it was literally like 40 seat, you know, and I still didn't sell it out. So I tend to go towards Southport, the slightly more small city conservative. Yeah, I see what you're doing. Yeah, that makes sense. Actually, okay, I mean, listen, next time I'm in Liverpool, I'll have a word. I'll see if there's any.

14:32I'll ask around. Aver word is also a very good podcast. Yes, it is. That is a partially born of Liverpool. I mentioned, also from a previous podcast, that I mentioned Damp Squid. And I got more feedback on that, misnomer than anything I've ever said in the podcast before. It's obviously a Damp Squid. And David Domain says that a Squid is a stick of low-powered, explosive. For modern use, yeah, ranges from discharge mechanisms in foreign extinguishers to pyrotectnics in films or older squibs relied on being arid to work. So squibs that got Damp would do. There you go. So I hopefully I can draw close to the whole Squid Squid. I mean, yes, I mean, yes, but, you know, would there be anything other than a Damp Squid? Well, my low-edwards made this point as well. So I mean, that just means I was even more of a fucking idiot for saying it. Or maybe that's what I'm in. When I said Damp Squid, maybe I'm in something being exactly that, which it needed to be. What must be more than that?

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16:38A fad to some, the future of money to others. We see crypto's trillion dollar swings. The end of jobs or the end of human struggle. We see the endless funds fueling the AI hype. While others follow the noise, we follow the money. Learn more at bloomberg.com. The thank you and the fuck you. I'll do the thank you. Ian's going to do the fuck you. My football team, AFC, Wimbledon, it's really weird. We've played five league games. We've won two, drawn one and lost two, which given our budget, our playing budget in league ones, actually pretty good going, you know, it's up there. No way, mate. I think we've won three now. One of one three. We won three, drawn one and lost one. And yeah, given your budget to, I think, lost two. So we're actually seventh. Given our budget, it's as good as seasons we've had. But honestly, I don't know if this is like a sort of malaise affecting all football fans because of the constant churn of podcasts and social media. But just every time a team sheet gets posted online,

17:39they're like, fuck this team sheet, fuck their club. It's a constant spew of rage on the chat forums. And I just, I think it got to the point where football, where you're an Arsenal fan, you're enjoying it. Almost nobody enjoys being a football fan for hardly any of the fucking time. No, I mean, it's obviously right now it's fun for us. But last season, when we won the league, I wouldn't say I enjoyed much of it at all, really. A lot of it was just pain. And oh God, we just got over the line and thank heavens for that. I mean, maybe you'd have a slightly bigger budget where we're happy to pay a bit more to go in. But you know, you're something you're... No, you can't really have it both ways, can you? You're mown about the ticket price and then go, well, on our budget, I think we're doing quite well. Well, imagine what you'd have done if you paid £29 a game. So you just said, well, you can't really mown about a ticket price when you're a fan-owned club, but just hear yourself say that and think about football fans. Of course they can mown about that. They mown about it all the time. They, we've got fans that genuinely think that we should be,

18:41like, even though everyone loves our history and how we're created, they're like, no, get the Saudis in. You know, like all they want, all they want, they don't care about the unique nature of the club. They just get some blood money and get some oligarchs in and we'll get back to the premiership where we belong. I don't give a fuck about the premiership. I don't really. I'd happily just stay in league one forever. It's a decent level. You get the odd chef of Wednesday down there, but you'll still play weird little teams like Bert and Albion. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. OK. The fuck you, Ian Stone. What is your fuck you? Well, there's a story related to this that is related to piss-take prices, which is, I paid £7.99 for a sandwich on an easy jet flight. And the reason a cheese and ham sandwich, right? £7.99. And the reason I paid it is because before I got on the flight, I bought myself a snack for the flight, which contained nuts. And then when I got on the flight, they said there's someone on here with a nut, a severe nut allergy.

19:45So, you know, if you've got nuts, don't open them because, you know, you might kill them. And I thought, well, then I was like stuck then in this position where I didn't have a snack. And I had to pay £7.99 for a cheese and ham sandwich. And I was thinking about it and thinking that... I'm sure that person would have informed the airline that they had a nut allergy. So, why did they wait until we were on the plane before they told us? Why don't we get like an alert? You know, so watch out for the snacks you're going to buy. So that we could buy snacks accordingly is my point. And, you know, so the fruck you really is too easy, yet for not telling me, I mean, assuming... £7.99. So, one thing I want to know is, what's that toasted or was that cold sandwich? No, it was toasted. It was toasted. So, a person labour, a person labour. Yeah, and there's also an aircraft facility fee.

20:48I don't know what that was. So, but anyway, that was £2.65. So, I just felt was a bit much and I felt like I was forced into position, really. But I did, but on the other... I did save a life. What you really want to know at that point is go, just how likely is it that they would die? Let's just give me percentages, all right? Let... Treat me like a grown-up. LAUGHTER OK, we're going to talk politics now and this huge earth-sharing double donation for reform. So, yeah, late last week was on the Friday, maybe even sort of breaking into the Saturday morning, reform UK's cured record-breaking, 72 million windfall in just 48 hours, which was driven by two matching 36 million donations from the cryptocurrency billionaires, Ben Delo and Christopher Harbourn.

21:48It's nice to have matching 36 million donations because if they're just being one there, look quite messy. I don't know about you, it just looks a bit... Symmetry. Got you got... Symmetry in your dodgy donations. Well, nothing been proved in terms of dodging this, but let's talk about the two people first, right, before we get into it. So, a lot of people will go, well, who are these people and what do they want? That's the most natural question when it comes to huge crypto billionaires. Donating for philanthropic reasons. So, Ben Delo, I know a bit about Christopher Harbourn. Philanthropic reasons, is that what you just said? That's what they're saying. That's what they're saying. Okay, fair enough. I'm trying to be objective here. I get accused of being a bit anti-reform, so I'm trying to do a bit both sides this. So, you can absolutely climb in now how you want. I'm trying to go to this with my eyes open. Ben Delo, right, so he went to basically a state school and stuff, and then he got loads of patents, got very rich. And I don't know if you know, see in stone, but he invented the perpetual swap, which is characterized as possibly

22:49the most successful derivative in the history of capitalism. Now, does that warm you up to him? The most successful derivative in the history of capitalism. Thank God. I remember when it first came out. I remember, and I was talking to my kids, and I said, finally, the perpetual swap is here. Well, you know, how empty our lives have been. Out to this point. Thank fuck for that. It doesn't sound. I mean, it sounds like constant scrolling to me. Like, you know, the perpetual swap to sound like something that you're not supposed to do, but what do I know? Right, maybe David DeMain can fill us in. So that's good deal, though. Bad deal, though, is that in 2022, he was convicted in the US for failing to implement adequate anti-money laundering controls at BitMex. I mean, why do all these things sound evil? BitMex. They all sound like things that Tony Stark is trying to either owns or is trying to shut down. All of it, all of it. I like, I like, basically, it depends what he's done. You can say, good deal or bad deal, though, at him. I had deal, though. Deal or no deal.

23:51Deal, though. Yes, get off the couch. I told you, bad deal, though. Crypto billionaire sounds awful. Don't you think? I mean, is it as a phrase Crypto billionaire ever been used in a positive way? You know, and we thought we were all going to die, and then we were saved by the Crypto billionaire. That's never happened. Or who's moved in next door or Crypto billionaire? Oh, I can't wait to meet them. No one's ever said that. You have an apartment. Let's like the Crypto billionaire comes. No one's ever said a positive thing about Crypto billionaires. Until today, I imagine. I share some of your anxieties, but like I say, I'm trying to go into this and believe what I'm being told. And he is a philanthropist now. And he's put money in. He has, in fairness, he has put quite a lot of money into education. That is a fact. But he was also, we mentioned that the fine that he got in the US, he was subsequently, he was subsequently pardoned by Donald Trump. So there you go. Ha, in your face, there was you thinking that he was a bad guy, but he's been,

24:51he got pardoned and the context of that is of no relevance. Did he get fined? How much did he get fined? And was it, you know, what was it? Well, I'm guessing it's quite trivial, some in the grand scheme of things. $10 million. Was it $10 million? It sort of reminds me of Sting when he's in the dock at the end of Cordrof India and the judge finds him 75 quid, which was a lot of money in 1979. And anyway, could I write a check and all the other mods started laughing. It sort of feels like that. All right, let's talk about Christopher Harbund. So people might know him already because he's donated, I think both of them have already donated, but he's the guy at the center of this 5 million donation to Farage, which the question is whether or not it should have been declared. He on his LinkedIn profile, he says that he's an engineer, a pilot, an investor. Well, what could you, how could you have an issue with that? He made his money in aviation, defense and investment and in cryptocurrency. And there's nothing he'd be able about cryptocurrency. It's just an imaginary kind of money that people invent and that's fine. In order to keep more of their own. How dare you? You don't want to surprise me.

25:51It's a service. It's a lot when Roman Abramovich bought Chelsea and we need some sort of spending controls. And I, I don't know, maybe to get, not get fine and stay within the spending limits for a format to trade is about a shop for Annelise Duns or something like that. I can't believe the cynicism, man. I learned it from you, mate. He said, I've already accumulated enough wealth for the rest of my life. I'm now committed to putting that to work for Britain and humanity as a whole, right? But this morning on the today's show, Ritt Nick Robinson, who listeners will have their own views about how objective he is or isn't, he said to Richard Tys what do you think first attracted to cryptocurrency billionaires to give tens of millions of pounds to a party promising to cut their taxes to limit regulation their business and limit competition for them as well. And Richard Tys said, their patriotic love for a fantastic country that is being ruined under socialism. So he's dealt with that. And to put to bed, put to bed. Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, I think if everyday folk can rely on anyone,

26:53it's crypto billionaires who live six thousand miles away. That's be fair, right? They're the ones who've got their own, they're best interests. Oh, haven't they? Really? They're thinking about the buses and about local services and stuff like that. The crypto billionaires. That's really all they think about, really the money rolls in and they spend their time thinking about local council issues. It is fair to say that business donors donated to the stories because they want influence for business trade unions donate to lay because they want influence for trade unions. Crypto billionaires donate to reform because they want influence for a better life than the improvement of wellbeing. It seems like a leap, right? It seems like a leap. But let's move on to the sort of like hypocrisy of the uni party, Labour and the Tories, right? Tories have kept suspiciously quiet, which says to me that, well, we'd obviously love to have that, right? So, but Labour have got down the front foot. And I was thinking of here, hypocrisy because you mentioned about Chelsea getting bought out by Roman Abramovich, but the problem with football clubs is that, again, it's like that's like, well, we're just annoyed because our billionaires

27:55and there's billionaires as your billionaires. And Labour, they took 5 million off a hedge fund just before the 2024 election, right? Obviously, you know, it's not 36 billion, but it's still 5 million. So the problem is, is it, who draws the line at which acceptable donations from shady financial or intated organisations and not? Who gets to decide that? I think Margaret Hodg. Margaret Hodg, yeah. I think Margaret Hodg, I think we can all agree that if anyone to draw the line, it's Margaret Hodg. I mean, I think this is sort of the problem with political donations, you know, because if you don't get the taxpayer to pay for it, there are only so many options, aren't there, really? Large corporations on the right, unions on the left, individual donations. But I always think if the government said to people, what do you think of the idea of dodgy foreign individuals who acquired their vast amounts of money in questionable circumstances, giving huge donations to political parties and then who now have undue influence over government policies? I think most people would say,

28:56I don't like the sound of it. And if they said, what's the alternative? And the government said, you pay for it. I think quite a lot of people are go, when you say dodgy and questionable. Yeah, yeah. You know, so I think there's a lot of hypocrisy all the way around. But what does it mean in practical terms that they've got 72 million quid? Is it just going to be loads of billboards of Richard Tyson, Nigel Farage? Is it, what does it actually mean? Well, it's interesting, isn't it? Because there is this being this sort of schism in reform, whereby a lot of the people that are intended to vote for them in red wall type constituencies, they're not, you know, they're not high. I think that there's been research suggesting they're not high net wealth incomes. They have like quite a small country of posh voters and then a lot of people on slightly lower incomes. So... They're not ABC ones, are they? No, no, no. So you've got the people like, Jim Rick, Farage, UCIF, Tyson, who instinctively you go, this is a very faturite sort of top tier to this party.

29:58And it does feel like there's a reckoning coming for them where the public might just say, what are you? Because we definitely share your view as voters on immigration and certain cultural things. But what are you when it comes to everything else? Because you just go that much money sloshing around, there's going to be dodging this, there's going to be, you know, even if it's like waved through, and I'm sure Labour will fucking bend over backwards to find a reason that they can't have this, by the way. But presuming they get the money, this is, you know, more money, more problems. I think that it's going to be a hard line for them to tread when they start to start to seem to be the money party. Yeah, yeah. Well, I think there's something in there, the fact that Nigel Farage got so much stick for taking five million quid off Christopher Arbonne. And instead of going, well, I won't do that again, it's gone 36 million, great. But this is... This is to the party, it's for campaigning. It's for campaigning. Yes, it's not for individuals. I just, I do think that there is a hypocrisy problem here.

30:59It's a bit... Angelo Rain has definitely got a growing problem with hypocrisy because she says, you shouldn't be allowed to do second jobs unless it's me on LBC. This is quite a... People shouldn't do tax avoidance unless it's me or my gaff. She's got to stop going in front of the press when there's any chance that they can ask her about hypocrisy because Louis Goodall was saying, you know, what about that five million from the hedge fund? She was like, well, that's different. We haven't promised them anything. And he said, well, reform was saying that they haven't promised these guys anything either. I agree with you. I agree with you about that. I tell you something else. If I was giving 36 million pound to a political party, I'd want some influence. I mean, that's... Yeah. I mean, I would... I would have one of us sit down with a prime minister once a week. I'd like... You do the quay in one week, sorry, the king now. You do the king one week. You can do me the next. All right. For your 36 million quid, I've got some things to say. I mean, the fact that they're just giving it... Because... What is it, Philanthropic? Yeah. It's too... Goodness of their art. It's too much bullshit, isn't it? But you could say that about all politics, couldn't you?

32:00So it's just more of it. Yeah. Well, I mean, the legislation is that... donations from individuals could be capped to £100,000. If they failed to satisfy strict 12-month UK residency requirements. So I mean, it's interesting for reform because if these two donors don't fall inside of this, it'll be more kind of narrative to them that the establishment is trying to thwart us, which they can parlay that for good electoral reasons. And if they do get it, what I've got 72 million quid, so if... Win, win. Is what you're saying. Although I think they prefer the money. I think they prefer the money, but, yeah, get ready for... Get ready for seeing a lot of reform propping up. Popping up in advance on your Facebook or your Instagram feed. I think it might be a bit of a damp squid, to be honest with you. LAUGHTER MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC Hey Spotify listeners, when you travel with American Airlines, you'll enjoy comfort and convenience at every altitude.

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34:01Now, over here at Mint Mobile, we're seeing sunny skies and dropping prices every plan to just $15 a month. Give it a try at MintMobile.com slash switch. Up from payment of $45 for three months. $90 for six months or $180 for 12 month plan required. $15 per month equivalent taxes in these extra. New customer offer for initial plan term only. Greater than 50 gigabytes. Okay, just to remind of the working progress dates are on sale now. If you go live nation or ticket master. I'm going at some places. As I say, I'm already selling out. I'm going at some places I've even never been or haven't been for a while. So canterbury haven't been there since some weird show during COVID. And Froome. I'm going to Froome. I'm going to Grantham. I'm also going to Hull. I've never been a Grantham for a tour. I don't think I've been a hole for maybe seven years. Bradford as well. And over. These are places that people have said Jeff come here. Why do you never come here? So if you don't, it's over to you now. You've got to buy the tickets and hopefully we'll start building up a sort of legacy of touring there. Ian, what dates have you got coming up need to look at?

35:01Well, well, I'd say St Ostele. This is the same thing. These are all places that I haven't been before. Oh, actually, no, I've been to Luton before. And I think it's slowed down. And I'm going back. But come on, Luton. St Ostele, Luton, Tainmuss, Loughborough, Tivaton and Newbury. They're all in October. It's pronounced to Jean-Muss. Oh, to Jean-Muss and Tivaton. I'm sorry. And Luga Bowra, Gug. Yeah, and you go, if you go to my website, in Stone, comedian. And all the dates will come up on the landing page. And you can just press the button and go to the one that is nearest to you. One, two, three, four, three, four, five, four, three, four, three, four, five, All right. We're going to talk about Lindsey Clancy Trial. So I mentioned it a few weeks ago. And it's been a huge story in the US. It's also featured in sort of mainstream news here. But as Lindsey Clancy, a wife and mother, she was facing trial.

36:03Because in January 2023, she killed all three of her children. And a defense team, they said that she was not criminally responsible due to severe post-partum psychosis. The prosecutor said that they were intentional and planned because she had sent her husband out for errands. She sort of planned the timing of it and stuff like that. But there was obviously strong medical evidence that, you know, she was not in a great frame of mind. One would suspect. Jury deliberated for days after a six week trial. But they were sort of deadlocks. And then it emerged that it was a mistrial because one juror would not exceed. They needed a total kind of majority on the jury. And it went and it's now going to a mistrial. So it kind of was an interesting story because it kind of drew out. It siphoned out one particular area of the cultural, which is a brand of, I don't know if it's like feminism. I don't know what you call it. Whereby the inability to actually hold a woman accountable for her actions. Now, I know that the post-partum psychosis was one thing.

37:05But there was a whole corner and a big corner of the internet that went from that to, I think, he did it. Even though, like it was beyond that, like the defense would know nobody who knew anything about the case was saying that he was had any culpability whatsoever. It was interesting to see before we get on to chat about this juror that's sort of been doxed and almost named in the press. Did it sort of drift across your social media radar this trial? I mean, it's funny because you said this to me yesterday. We're going to talk about the Lindsey Clancy trial. And I haven't been following this story because I find the interest in all this, perhaps a touch sensationist. I mean, because in the end, we have to have an opinion, don't we? I'm not on whether we think she's capable of doing it because we know she's capable of doing it because she said she did it. But whether she was in a right mind when she did it. And my honest opinion is I have no idea, right? But all I do know, I do know that she chuts herself out of a window so she wasn't in the best place mentally. I will, that I know.

38:05But what was interesting, like I say, I don't know about the trial. I don't know whether it was reasonable to sort of acquit her on the grounds of insanity. But the way that the people went after the husband, it was like there was just this corner of obviously vast majority women that just go, I know he did something and no matter what facts that they were presented with. And you go, well, I just know and you sort of go, it's not like they seem to be applying the principles of a guy that maybe, I don't know, cheated on a stagdoo to a high profile murder case. I just found it, I just found it really, it's really hard to get comedy out of this because it's all really fucking dark. But I just thought the worst thing possible has happened to this bloke. And I was just imagining just logging online and there was loads of sort of female amateur detectives going, yeah, but was he attentive enough? You go, you know what? Even if he was a really inattentive shit house, but even if he had been ever in an affair, I think that that still doesn't justify what happens.

39:06No, I mean, I did, last time I've been reading about this all morning, to be honest with you. And I read one of the jurors, well, as far as the houseman is concerned, I, from what little I know, I don't think he did it. I don't, I don't think he did it. But what do I know? I've just come quite late to all this. As far as she's concerned, they interview one of the jurors on TV, which I find the whole thing I find a little odd. So they come out, this appalling, this, this, this, this, this, this woman killing these, these children and the trial. And this juror went on TV, she said, all throughout the trial, we had all the witnesses. There'd been nothing but good said about Lindsay and how amazing of a mother she was. She said, every way you look, there was just love in the house. There was a big sign that said, it's a wonderful life, right? And I thought, well, okay, hang on a minute. I mean, I, it is a wonderful life. But are you saying, because there wasn't a big sign that said must kill the kids that you believe her?

40:08Is that what you're saying? Because I thought, I'm not so sure I'd want you on a jury. If you're actually coming out with shit like that, because that's nonsense. Well, it sounded like a lot of people went in there with a, with a kind of ideological sort of attachment to Lindsay's case. Whether or not they were mothers who went through a difficult time afterwards, whether there was some sort of feminist element to it. But it was really weird to see people turning up at the trial with pink shirts. And it was like, when, it went from a thing of saying, look, maybe we don't do enough for women with post-partum psychosis and that thing too. I'm actually like a fan of this woman and saying, we love you, Lindsay. And it might, you know, I'm dunked out that in the past, there have been men that have benefited from, you know, kind of Adam and Eve type thing, where it's definitely Eve that bit the apple was awful. You know, now it's very much Adam. It's being chased out of the guy. Adam done fuck all in this case. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Yes, there is, there but then isn't it true that every jury, they all have their preconceptions as to about any case.

41:13You know, we can certainly say that about people of color and what would happen with juries, you know, with things like, I mean, there were nine women on the jury. Is that, is that, was that a good idea? The guy, the loan standout juror apparently had some sort of domestic violence issues. Because I thought, is this like 12 angry men, right? Is this base a like 12 except in this version, Henry Funder thinks she's banged to rights and he's trying to convince the rest of them. This is basically what it is. It'd be like 10 angry feminists and one bloke that doesn't want to get cancelled and a guy that doesn't give a fuck about anything, which is not as that catchy as a title. No, for the film. You mentioned about the weird culture of American legal system whereby these kind of high profile cases collapse and then they'll do the rounds. And like, as you say, you've had jurors, several different jurors. One, in one case, we're interviewed as a three and they were talking about how this one guy wouldn't change his mind no matter what was said to him.

42:15And I thought, thought that that's not unreasonable. If you don't agree with 11 people. But then they threw in like his race. And I thought, why, they came out that he was a black guy and in several different interviews that came out. And I sort of thought, what the fuck is happening here? This is America, isn't it? The race is like the original sin, isn't it for them or slavery? I suppose you could say. But in the end, I heard them say it just comes down to an inability to move past your convictions is what one of the jurors said. And I thought, I don't, well, first, I don't think you should say that. I think that's the wrong phrase to use in this particular case, even though he wasn't convicted as it turns out of domestic violence. Yeah, I don't, I find the whole thing a little bit public. That's the point. The sentient, when I said at the start about sensationalism, that's what I'm talking about really. I don't want to hear from jurors. I mean, there's some jurors in the past have written books about their experience during a trial.

43:18I don't need to read those books, really. I mean, the other issue with was some of the logic being deployed. Ironically, you could argue took feminism back a little bit because they were talking about the effects of hormones and emotions. And they were, I saw quite a lot of really interesting TikToks done by younger creators, which were talking about the parallels in some of the language used with that with men that were saying that women shouldn't be allowed to vote. It wasn't a capable of controlling their emotions. Pregnancy sends a woman into a temporary state of derengagement, becoming a mother. They are often quite hysterical. And I did think there is a danger there whereby you're sort of, you're abdicating women of agency, right? I would imagine all people that murder a bit, fucking men, also then you go, all right, which point? And I do really like, I do understand the post part of me is a particularly vulnerable air for women. I do get that. I imagine that everyone that takes a life has a degree of mental illness, right? So again, it's almost like the donations thing. We sort of established that there's an spectrum who decides where, where culpability stops on that spectrum.

44:25Margaret Hodg. Margaret. I think it's got to be Margaret. Yeah. Hasn't it? Thank you for getting out of me out of that. I was really heavy philosophical question. You reminded me, it's not fucking question time, Jeff. It's a comedy, topical podcast. Yeah. No, thank you. Thank you. We know nothing. Okay. We're going to do a patron only now for everybody else. It'll be the end of the show. But with Ian Stone right now, we're going to do a dear story. All right, that was, I mean, genuinely one of the most bizarre, pressurized, weird situations we've ever had for a deaf story. So thanks very much for sharing that with us, Ian Stone. You sort of look a bit, if you want to listen to it, go to the Patreon and join you, be able to hear it. But sometimes people look cleansed by having remembered these. It looks like it's just started off all again for you, all the trauma. It was, it was awful, Jeff. I mean, you said to me, I would go, come on a light hearted little podcast, talk about a woman who murdered her three kids and my worst death story.

45:29And you know, I'm not comparing the two. No, I'm a little bit, I am comparing the two. Well, you definitely did in you didn't have an excuse. I know, listen, if you go see Ian Stone on tour, just one of the funniest, most like absolute guaranteed bullet proof, actually, ever going to see do comedy, say just like you, Jeff, just like you. Oh, sorry, sorry. You just like Jeff, just like Jeff. I mean, I was about to say the same thing. Thank you. Thank you. So we're we're about to be installing this or then I'm touring in the spring. So you should come to both and and also I'd like to say that I'm incredibly philanthropic as well. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's an illness in serenity entirely. Jeff is a brilliant, Jeff's a brilliant comment. Jeff knows exactly what he's doing. And me and I and the thing is I really appreciated in Edinburgh. Jeff was sending audiences to me and I felt I felt bad for a couple of days for not sending any back the other way to be honest with you.

46:30But I have done in the past. Yeah, I feel bad about that too. But let's pick that up next time we go out. Right. Ian Stone, thanks very much for appearing on what most people think and we will be back with a lot of political news happening. We'll be back with a breaking news episode later this week. Yeah. Ryan Reynolds here for Mint Mobile with your summer price forecast. Now unfortunately we're seeing rising costs across the country with possibility that big wireless hates you. 100% now over here at Mint Mobile we're seeing sunny skies and dropping prices every plan to just $15 a month. Give it a try at Mint Mobile.com slash switch up from payment of $45 for three months $90 for six months or $180 for 12 month plan required $15 per month equivalent taxes and fees extra new customer offer for initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes me slow and work is busy.

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