Girlbosses Aren't Independent; They're State Sponsored

Simone and Malcolm Collins break down Inez Stepman’s viral essay “The Myth of the Independent Girlboss” from First Things. They argue that the modern “independent woman” ideal isn’t true independence — it’s heavily subsidized by the state through taxpayer-funded programs, policies, and cultural shifts that externalize costs onto society.

Topics include:

* State-subsidized childcare and education

* Student debt (women hold ~2/3 of it)

* Lawsuit-driven affirmative action and HR bureaucracy

* Child support and alimony as hidden subsidies

* The explosion of “email jobs,” DEI, and nonprofit activism

* Cheap immigrant labor enabling two-income households

* The decline in teaching quality and volunteering turned into paid activism

They discuss how the “girlboss” has been replaced by cultural backlash (tradwife leanings on the right, anti-capitalist vibes on the left), why most “successful” girlboss stories in tech are illusory, and what policy changes (many already happening under the current administration) could shift incentives back toward family and real independence.

Show Notes

The entire concept of the girl boss may have been a lie.

In other words, the concept of an independent professional woman who depends on nobody is a farce, and so-called girlbosses are actually state sponsored.

This is the proposition of Inez Stepman in her essay The Myth of the Independent Girlboss and it really resonated with people.

Inez Stepman’s First Things Essay: The Myth of the Independent Girlboss

The Myth of the Independent Girlboss

Stepman writes: “The Atlantic published an essay by Helen Lewis declaring the “Death of Millennial Feminism,” while in Slate Jill Filipovic defended the girlboss ideal against what she calls an “absolutely enormous antifeminist backlash within which we are all living.” They both take for granted, however, that the girlboss has declined from her cultural primacy. That may be so, but she’s taken no comparable hammering in the world of public policy.”

“Whether the Millennial image of the girlboss, with its shrill first-person confessional style, is fading into cheugy-ness with the inevitable generational pendulum swing, the cornerstone of her appeal, “independence” from men and family, has never been so popular. On Reddit’s infamous r/relationships subreddit, half of all advice given amounts to “leave,” up from 30 percent in 2010 and still climbing. Nearly half of Gen Z choose financial independence over romance when surveyed, and nearly three times as many Americans say having a career they enjoy is more important than getting married or having children. In a 2023 submission to the New York Times’s execrable “Modern Love” series, divorcée Maggie Smith exhorts women “never” to be financially dependent on a man.”

She describes how dependence on anyone has come to be seen as an embarrassment, but argues that women’s dependence has just been shifted from men and family to a complex set of government policies and programs.

“The image of the working woman, the girlboss, remains the sine qua non of independence. After all, she pays her own bills using money she earned herself, or so it seems. But dig into the details and one learns she is propped up from every angle by laws, taxpayer dollars, and the ability to externalize the costs of her lifestyle onto others. In other words, the girlboss is often as much a dependent as Betty Draper, but her dependence is less honest, laundered through public policy.”

Stepman cites:

* State-subsidized childcare

* State-subsidized universities / student loans

* “Higher education is disproportionately attended and staffed by women. It is also funded in large part by the taxpayer, with an output that adds to cultural revolution more than to the wealth of nations.”

* “Women hold two-thirds of outstanding student debt, nearly all of which has been financed by the federal government. Unless serious policy changes are made to defuse this debt bomb, the high default rates will ultimately fall on the taxpayer, through whom the government already owns 93 percent of student loans.”

* “the wild proliferation of “email jobs” and administrative compliance positions that don’t add to the company bottom line”

* Lawsuit-risk-driven affirmative action for women in corporations

* “In 1991, reforms to the Civil Rights Act ensured that lawsuits over (often spurious) sexual harassment claims in the workplace became a major cash cow for litigants. Companies responded by bending the knee to the most easily offended, kicking off the era of “political correctness” and spawning an enormous industry that trains employees not to harass one another. These reforms also raised the stakes for employers to prove they were not discriminating on the basis of sex or race in their hiring and promotion practices, pushing them well beyond meritocracy into de facto affirmative action for women and minorities.”

* One might also throw child support in there

* Was just reading a different article about a divorced mom’s budget

* “I’ve been single for about five years now. Divorce has been a game changer for me. I would recommend it! My marriage afforded me a certain amount of privilege, as my husband made a good salary, and our combined income was close to $200,000. But even though I have less money coming in now, and I receive some child support, I feel more independent and confident about my financial position than when I was married. I think some of it was that when your marriage doesn’t feel secure, it can make you feel financially insecure. And leaving my marriage changed those feelings for me. I’m the only one in charge of my money now, and I like it that way.”

* Salary: Mental health counselor, $85,000

* Child support: $1,750 (Child support payments are not taxable to the recipient and not deductible by the payer)

* Urban-monoculture-driven jobs

* “Even more pernicious is the proliferation of Soviet commissar-style jobs, both in the nonprofit and for-profit sectors, that exist primarily to enforce political agendas rather than to produce value. In the U.S., the number of human resources jobs, three-quarters of which are filled by women, has exploded, roughly doubling from 2014 to 2024. It’s unlikely that managing a payroll has become commensurately burdensome in the past ten years; those additional roles exist to enforce diversity laws. The entire DEI complex is a giant subsidy for make-work positions staffed by women and racial minorities.”

* The outsourcing of domestic labor made possibly by lax immigration policies

* “In major cities such as New York and Los Angeles, up to half the nannies on the books are immigrants, and the real number is likely higher, with many skirting labor laws. The profile of other domestic task-replacers looks similar, with cheap delivery services such as DoorDash and Grubhub, staples for two-income households too harried to cook dinner, incentivizing an enormous black market that rents verified accounts to illegal immigrants.”

* From the cited article: “As of December 2024, [DoorDash] said its screening process prevents over 15,000 prospective Dashers from joining the platform/driving due to failing to submit the necessary criteria. Monthly deactivations of inauthentic accounts have more than doubled compared to 2023, with all of that year’s deactivations already being surpassed by July 2024. The company also says it prevents, weekly and on average, about 4,600 attempts by deactivated Dashers who previously violated verification policies from regaining access.”

Stepman notes the following adverse effects on society:

* Worsening education

* “The quality of teaching, traditionally a feminine profession at least until the college level, has collapsed along a timeline that suggests that diverting talented women into higher-paid careers was the cause. Let’s posit for the sake of argument that it’s better for those ambitious and intelligent women to be lawyers instead of shaping the future minds of both sexes in the classroom. Is it better for society as a whole that teaching has been relegated to a low-scoring backup plan, that still remains predominately female?”

* The cannibalism of volunteering and philanthropy into paid, professional activism

* “Volunteering and philanthropy, on the other hand, once the province of Gilded Age heiresses and women with grown-up children, have been professionalized, through correspondingly multiplying female-staffed NGOs. In short, the feminine impulse toward empathy that used to be predominantly applied to solve problems in one’s community has been transformed into permanent activism as a career. Instead of the Daughters of the American Revolution raising town statues, we have women whose career advancement depends on tearing them down.”

She advocates for more work-from-home flexibility, homeschooling, and start-up communities and recommends:

* Ending mass immigration that undercuts American workers

* No more affirmative action for women or lawsuit paydays for women

* No more federal loans for universities and female-dominatd majors and degrees that don’t pay for themselves

* No more federal funding for “the female-dominated NGO complex”

“But let’s be clear: The status quo is maintained by a network of laws and policies that push women out of the home and into the workforce. Women who would prefer to work part-time or not at all while their children are young—still the substantial majority—must make heavy sacrifices to do so, sacrifices that were unnecessary forty or fifty years ago.”

The Critical Response

First Things posted the article on X and it got decent traction

Cathy Reisenwitz had a good take: “There is no girlboss vs tradwife fight. Both are media inventions. Most women have kids and work, now, and also at every point in recorded history.”

Some complained:

* @hollowearthterf wrote: The myth of the independent boyboss: This lifestyle could not exit if not for 13 years of free public schooling, FAFSA loans available for both college and trade schools, FREE labor from female partners and relatives to do their cooking, cleaning, childcare, the GI bill, etc

* Jill Filipovic wrote: “I guess the answer here is for women to return to subsidizing the male lifestyle, which would not exist if women didn’t massively subsidize it by doing men’s cooking, cleaning, laundry, childcare, and all other manner of life organizing.”

* Emily May wrote: tldr “women used to do a bunch of s**t that ran whole families and communities for free; but now they have jobs and less time to do those things (never mind that most community building work, volunteering, unpaid labor etc is still done by women) and we are mad about that, but if women bring up that it’s exhausting always being the ones expected to do those things; we will say that women put way too much pressure on themselves and no one ask them to be the weavers of the social fabric. so just stop! have you no agency?!”

* Labor Your Y Axis! Wrote: “1. Most people do not regularly order DoorDash or Uber Eats or have a nanny. Go out and meet some real people. 2. Perhaps you should be at home instead of working or taking your baby out for cocktails.”

* Though dream weaver responded: “Over 75% of Americans use food delivery services, you’re incorrect there. As for nannies, you’re correct.”

* FACT CHECK? How many Americans use food delivery services?

* Recent survey data suggest that roughly half to two‑thirds of American adults have used a food‑delivery or food‑ordering app at least once, but only about 15–30% use delivery services regularly (about weekly or more).

* One analysis finds about 75% of Americans have used a food delivery app at least once (28.2% weekly, 44.0% less often, 24.5% never).

* One YouGov survey: 17% of Americans have food delivered at least once per week.

* Another summary (also citing national restaurant research) puts weekly delivery users at about 37% of U.S. adults.

Episode Transcript

Simone Collins: Hello, Malcolm.

I’m excited to be speaking with you today on another episode of Women Are Terrible,

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Women, know your limits.

Simone Collins: and today we’re gonna talk about girl bosses and how they’re really state sponsored, or the entire concept of the Girl Boss may have been a lie. This, in other words, basically the, this concept of this independent professional woman who depends on nobody,

Malcolm Collins: this

Simone Collins: was an AstroTurf

Malcolm Collins: concept.

Like it, it wasn’t organic as you’re saying.

Simone Collins: Well, no, it’s not AstroTurf. It just isn’t a thing. And, and this is the, the proposition made by Inez Staman in this essay that’s recently gone pretty viral, called The Myth of the Independent Girl Boss. And it really resonated with people. So we’re gonna get into it.

And so in this article, Steadman writes this isn’t how it started, she’s just, I’m, I’m gonna, I’m gonna present her her thesis. She wrote, the Atlantic, published an essay [00:01:00] by Helen Lewis declaring the death of the millennial feminism while in slate, Jill Philippic defended the girl boss ideal against what she calls an absolutely enormous anti-feminist backlash within which we are all living.

They both take for granted. However, that girl boss has declined from her cultural primacy that may be so, but she’s taken no comparable hammering and the world of public policy. And I don’t know if you’ve been following this Malcolm, but it is true both in polling and in like general online trendiness, that the concept of the girl boss is definitely over.

It’s not cool. It’s not trendy anymore.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, God, no. Not at all.

Simone Collins: Yeah, it’s, it’s all now, like it’s more tra wife leaning, it’s more, you know, it’s, it’s definitely not. It’s not cool to be girl bossing. That, that sort of implies too much if you’re progressive, that you’re leaning into like the capitalist nightmare.

Plus it’s all pointless anywhere because of, of ai. And then if you are, you know, conservative, it, it’s, it’s about, you know, forsaking. Family and [00:02:00] country And children. For what? For what? Endless consumerism. It’s, you know, so no one likes it. Yeah. But anyway, she continues. Whether the millennial image of the girl boss with its shrill, first person confessional style is fading into cheekiness with the inevitable generational pendulum swing the cornerstone of her appeal.

Independence from men and family has never been so popular on Reddit’s. Infamous our relationship subreddit. Half of all advice. Given amounts to leave up from 30% in 2010 and still climbing nearly half of Gen Z choose financial independence over romance when surveyed and nearly three times. As many Americans say, having a career they enjoy is more important than getting married or having children.

In a 2023 submission to the New York Times is exer modern love series divorcee Maggie Smith, exhorts women to never be financially dependent on a man. So she describes how dependence on anyone has come to be [00:03:00] seen as an embarrassment, which it still is, I think, among women. Even though girl bossing is no longer trendy.

But she argues that women’s dependence has just been shifted from men and family to a complex set of government policies and programs. So women are still completely dependent. I mean,

Malcolm Collins: we have an episode where we say women have become nuns of the state. Is

Simone Collins: that what we’re gonna be focused

Malcolm Collins: on here?

Simone Collins: And Yeah, and I think that’s married to

Malcolm Collins: the state and they served the state

Simone Collins: uhhuh and it, it, it, I think now, you know, when we said that it didn’t really pick up or anything, but this was published in like a, a more widely read thing.

It really picked up on X not necessarily fully agreed to. I’m gonna read some of the critical response after we go over her arguments presented. But I think people are starting to realize that this idea that women were. Forsaking marriage and family and no longer dependent that they were, that this meant that women were independent and empowered.

No, they weren’t. No, no, they’re still just depending. It’s just now there’s a lot of like money laundering essentially. So she, she writes the image of the working woman. The girl boss remains the cyran non of [00:04:00] independence. After all, she pays her own bills using money she earned herself or so it seems, but dig into the details.

And one learns she has propped up from every angle by laws. Taxpayer dollars and the ability to externalize the costs of her lifestyle onto others. In other words, the girl boss is often as much of a dependent as Betty Draper, but her dependence is less honest laundered through public policy. So the things that she cites as evidence for her claim are one state subsidized childcare.

And this is becoming even more trendy because Zham mom, Donny and his. You know, just wrapping up his first 100 days is getting started on his universal childcare thing. So more and more people are gonna have access to this theoretically, despite income, like, or regardless of their income. She also cites state subsidized universities and student loans, and she points an angle that I actually didn’t know about.

So she, she does write higher education is disproportionately attended and staffed by women. It is also funded in large part by the taxpayer. With an output that adds to [00:05:00] cultural revolution more than wealth or nations sorry. The wealth of nations. And that’s true. I mean, right now, so many of the degrees people are getting kind of just contribute to societal unrest and don’t

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, no, I, I’m very strongly against removing any government backing of the education system.

Simone Collins: However, she, she writes in this is, this is what really surprised me is she wrote. Women. Oh, well, it doesn’t surprise me, but I didn’t know this. Women hold two thirds of outstanding student debt, nearly all of which has been financed by the federal government. Unless serious policy changes are made to diffuse this debt bomb, the high default rates will ultimately fall on the taxpayer,

through whom the government already owns 93% of student loans. So I didn’t know that. I mean, that makes sense, right? If women are getting jobs that don’t actually make money. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: But I didn’t know two thirds of student loans are owned by women. Yeah, when they, yeah. This is literally just a woman handout when they want to default on student loans.

I also wanna take a secondary thing here where some people will be like, oh. You might be talking about the majority, but it’s not that no girl bosses [00:06:00] exist. You know, there’s some women who are like independent, powerful CEOs. And I’d point out in our circles, you know, we hang out with a lot of tech entrepreneur types and stuff like that, you know, VC types, everything.

Mm-hmm. So we know personally a number of women who I think the public would perceive as fitting that none of them are really girl bosses. It’s, it’s pretty much all fake. The like I’m thinking, remember the one who, like her company popped off and then she like went crazy and started doing yoga or something?

Oh, yeah.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And decided to be a yoga instructor when she had like a company that was worth like $50 million. It went, it more than that must have been because it was VVC major rest. It must have been around like

Simone Collins: 500. Well, in many, many so-called girl bosses. We’ve, we’ve met and known in the past, like in our Silicon Valley circles.

Just raised money on a failed startup after a failed startup, which is common. I think men have done this too. But they, they haven’t necessarily made anyone money which is another big thing. Yeah. So that’s, that’s also [00:07:00] an, an issue.

Malcolm Collins: Well, and then a lot of them get, we move up in the VC industry without necessarily making good bets.

Right? Like,

Simone Collins: yeah.

Malcolm Collins: This is another thing that we regularly see. It’s, it’s, it’s it’s, it’s. There just are far fewer successful women than people perceive them to be.

Simone Collins: At least in, in the business realm, which may just Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Well’s, what boss means girl boss means

Simone Collins: yes. It means, yeah. You, you’re, you’re, yeah.

There’s, there’s no like girl boss who lives on a home stand and like eats her own food. That, that, that’s, you know, even if you’re not married, you’re still like a prairie wife. Even, even if you’re just married to your freaking field of wheat. So she also cites. Quote, the wild proliferation of email jobs and administrative compliance positions that don’t add to the company bottom line, that’s a big one.

And he talked about that a lot in everything you do. Like from the Pragmatist Guide to Crafting Religion to the Pragmatist Guide to Governance, those two books that you wrote, and then also the podcast all the time. So that’s true. In addition, she talks, and this is something that [00:08:00] we haven’t talked about a lot on our podcast, but she cites lawsuit, risk Driven, affirmative Action for Women in Corporations.

So let me write as, as she describes it. In 1991, reforms to the Civil Rights Act ensured that lawsuits all over. Often spurious sexual harassment claims in the workplace became a major cash cow for litigants. Companies responded by bending the knee to the most easily offended, kicking off the era of political correctness and spawning an enormous industry that trains employees to not harass one another.

These reforms also raised the stakes for employees to prove that they were not discriminating on the basis of sex or race in their hiring and promotion practices, pushing them well beyond meritocracy into defacto affirmative action for women and minorities. So there you can see, there’s this multi-pronged affirmative action program that wasn’t explicitly made as affirmative action and one that like one, you’re in danger if you’re not.

Like almost artificially favoring women in [00:09:00] promotions and hiring. And two you’re at risk of making a woman a lot of money if she does catch you doing something naughty and sues you successfully. And three, there’s this whole long house based training for don’t sexually harass people. And I think that that’s largely often staffed and run by women.

Um mm-hmm. Gotta tell by the horrible bureaucrat nature of them. I, I’ll never forget when one of our friends who was staying here and working from home here showed us the training he was going through. And it was so bad. It was so bad.

Malcolm Collins: The government and bureaucracies burn it down. Like, I’m not usually pro genocide, but like something needs to be done about bureaucracy.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And I was just skimming another substack that I like to. Read sometimes called the purse, which goes over people’s budget and finances. And it occurred to me that another thing that could be thrown into this category. [00:10:00] Arguably is child support. Because they, they’re, I was reading the profile of this divorced mother who wrote, I’ve been single for about five years now.

Divorce has been a game changer for me. I would recommend it. My marriage has had afforded me a certain amount of privilege as my husband made a good salary and our combined income was close to $200,000. But even though I have less money coming in now, and I receive some child support, I feel more independent.

There’s that word. And confident about my financial position than when I was married. I think some of it was that when your marriage doesn’t feel secure, it can make you feel financially insecure. Like she doesn’t have control over all of her money, I guess. And, and leaving my marriage changed those feelings for me.

I’m the only one in charge of my money now, and I like it that way. Her salary as a mental health counselor, again, that’s just, that that sort of female industrial complex is $85,000. And she gets $1,750 a month in [00:11:00] child support payments. So she’s so independent. That’s post-tax money and that, let’s see, time is 12 ‘cause I’m terrible at math and sleep is $21,000 a year.

So she’s making over a hundred thousand dollars a year thanks to the fact that her husband is now legally obligated. Well, her ex-husband is legally obligated to financially support her by the state. So I think that also falls into this independent girl boss thing. She’s like, oh, I’m independent now.

Like, but she gets a stipend from her ex-husband, like that they’re legally able to put men on the hook like that.

Malcolm Collins: And you see this all the time. So many women who are claiming to be girl bosses, they’re doing stuff like this, alimony, stipends, et cetera.

Simone Collins: Yeah, yeah. State subsidized stuff because technically they’re at the poverty line.

But they could be, you know, shoveling money away somewhere. Like it’s, I think it’s really easy if you are unmarried especially if you’re unmarried in an entrepreneur to basically. Make your income poverty level and then utilize the very abundant state [00:12:00] resources, especially if you’re also a parent.

You can basically get free healthcare depending on the state, but very likely free healthcare, food assistance, maybe even housing support and free childcare for you and, and your kid. Like, and that’s a healthcare for you and your kid, which is just. Wow. But yeah, again, not independent. Not an actual girl boss.

Then she describes the urban monoculture driven jobs, again, quoting from her article. Even more pernicious is the proliferation of Soviet commissar style jobs, both in the nonprofit and for-profit sectors that exist primarily to enforce political agendas rather than to produce value. In the us the number of human resources jobs, three quarters of which are filled by women, has exploded roughly doubling from 2014 to 2024.

It’s unlikely that managing a payroll has. Before or has become commensurate burdensome in the past 10 years. Those additional rules exist to enforce diversity laws. The entire DEI complex is a giant subsidy for [00:13:00] make work positions staffed by women and racial minorities, which, yeah yeah, and nothing more to say there.

And hopefully

Malcolm Collins: ai, I mean, AI is gonna completely transform women’s role in society because it’s gonna hopefully take these sorts of

Simone Collins: positions

Malcolm Collins: first.

Simone Collins: But the point she made actually, which I think is very apt, is. You don’t do this, you haven’t done this part of any of the businesses, but this idea of like payroll and compliance and stuff with state and local taxes, et cetera, like that is automated by whatever payroll provider you use.

There, there is nothing to do aside from. Review and approve pay or ask your, you know, someone else to approve it for you after you set it up. And it’s all like automated. There’s, there’s nothing complicated to do. The software that your business also pays for, does it all, your job means nothing if that’s mostly what you do.

And like, hiring and, I don’t know, maintaining people. If, if there’s a big, big, big corporation and you’re there basically to fight that lawsuit. Industry referred to earlier in the article. Then I can [00:14:00] understand it, right? ‘cause your job is basically to reduce and remove the company’s legal liability by doing the necessary things to show that you are not vulnerable in a lawsuit or liable in a lawsuit.

But that, that’s it. That’s the only time I can really see it justified. And then basically she be a lawyer, not an HR person anyway. She also talks about, and this is another, another big one, is the outsourcing of domestic labor. It was made possible by lax immigration policies. She writes in major cities such as New York and Los Angeles.

Up to half of the nannies on the books are immigrants and the real numbers likely higher with mini skirting labor laws. The profile of other domestic task replacers look similar with cheap delivery services such as DoorDash and GrubHub. Staples for two income households to Harry to cook dinner.

Incentivizing an enormous black market that rents verified accounts to illegal immigrants. Did you know about this Malcolm?

Malcolm Collins: No what?

Simone Collins: So there’s this big problem and she, she links to an article about this. So I fell down a little bit of a rabbit hole on this, [00:15:00] but there’s this whole world of renting out DoorDash and Uber Eats and other types of gig work accounts to.

Illegal migrants and immigrants because they can make decent money on them.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, so like you create one and then you have them pay to use it?

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm. Yeah. You, you rent it out and there’s this whole market of it. And like people like sort of DM each other about them and you, you pay for access to it. And this is troublesome for a couple of reasons.

One is like if for example, and this happens, I’ve seen a lot of people talk about it on social media. People just stealing their DoorDash orders. So they’ll just pick up the order and then eat the dinner. So they don’t necessarily use it for earning money, so that’s one problem. Another problem is, let’s say that they commit a crime of some sort, like as an Uber driver or something.

It’s very hard, obviously to prosecute or find that person if they are not who they say they were. And then of course, on top of that one of the articles that I read in relation to this, there was there was a big issue [00:16:00] of basically. People who used to make like, you know, natural American citizens or whatever used to make a lot of money on DoorDash and Uber Eats, like decent money, like maybe $20 an hour, $25 an hour at good times.

Yeah. And now they’re basically making next to nothing because the market is so flooded with. All of the illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants, and, and they, they, they noted specific times that it just like exploded basically when people figured it out. And the market kind of came online. And from one article that was cited by, by the author of this one I.

It, it, it says, as of December, 2024, DoorDash said its screening process prevents over 15,000 prospective dashers from joining the platform or driving due to failing to submit the necessary criteria. Basically meaning like they got caught, and that’s just the ones that got caught. Monthly deactivations of inauthentic accounts have more than doubled compared to 2023 with all that year’s Deactivations already being surpassed by July, [00:17:00] 2024.

The company also says it prevents weekly and on average about 4,600 attempts by deactivated dashers, who previously violated verification policies from regaining access. So just that gives you a little bit of a picture of like the scale of this issue. But anyway, I, I think it, it, it, it does, the point that the author is making though on the Girl Boss issue is that there is incredibly cheap labor that’s subsidized by our country’s failure to enforce its basic immigration laws.

And a lot of this may have taken place in the Biden administration because looking the other way helped to subsidize certain people’s lifestyles in a way that they liked and they didn’t want that to change. So she, she notes the following statement. That is the article. The article’s, author notes the following adverse effects on society one.

Worsening education, and I hadn’t thought about this or maybe in a while I remember thinking like, or hearing about it once or twice. But worsening education. She writes the quality of teaching traditionally a feminine profession, at least until the college [00:18:00] level has collapsed along. A timeline that suggests that diverting talented women to higher paid careers was the cause.

Let’s pause it for the sake of argument that it’s better for those ambitious and intelligent women to be lawyers. Instead of shaping the future minds of both sexes in the classroom. Is it better for society as a whole? That teaching has been relegated to a low scoring backup plan that still remains predominantly female.

That’s an interesting point because we, you, I think had pointed out just the maybe there was one study that showed like the average IQ level of people who now get degrees in education and it’s. Kind of abysmal.

Malcolm Collins: Oh yeah. It’s really bad. Like

Simone Collins: the,

Malcolm Collins: the people who have degrees in education level are like borderline retarded at this point.

Simone Collins: It’s bad. And, and you could argue that there’s this brain drain of all the women who decided, well, I’m gonna become a girl boss, and. Now we have really, really like low quality educators who are left. And of course there are exceptions. There are many wonderful teachers out [00:19:00] there. But on average, you know, many people who would’ve been teachers are now trained to girl boss.

Also she, and this is something I hadn’t heard about talk before and I really. I think it’s a very good insight. She notes the cannibalism of volunteering in philanthropy into paid professional activism. I’m gonna, oh my God, like, that’s a really good point. Yes. She writes, volunteering in philanthropy.

On the other hand, once the province of. Giled age Hess and women with grownup children have been professionalized through correspondingly multiplying female staffed NGOs. In short, the feminine impulse toward empathy that used to be predominantly applied to solve problems in one’s community has been transformed into a permanent activism as a career.

Instead of the Daughters of the American Revolution raising town statuses, we have women whose career advancement depends on tearing them down. And Oh

Malcolm Collins: my God, yes. And that is, that is essentially I mean this is a, an existential civilizational problem.

Simone Collins: Yes.

Malcolm Collins: That this [00:20:00] exists. And it’s something that I think that you know, EFI or when we accumulate more wealth and have more followership that I would want to attempt to tear down because I think it’s, it’s going the

Simone Collins: nonprofit.

Malcolm Collins: Complex, nonprofit, industrial complex.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I think really shining a light on just how corrupt and pointless it is. Yeah. And even the ones that people think are, because we’ve worked in it to some extent and I do not think people understand how much it’s just lighting money on fire.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah.

It’s just, it’s just funding the lifestyles of a bunch of people who are not actually solving the problem. And really just, again, this concept of activism as a career. We, you talked about a lot in the practice guide to governance how. Mission creep. Is inevitable in a nonprofit if it depends on fundraising for its livelihood.

So if you don’t make money through your program work or from like just the benefactor who like owns and runs the nonprofit you are dependent on fundraising to succeed. And so what are you gonna [00:21:00] get good at? You’re if you’re gonna survive. You’re not gonna be good at solving your problem or being focused on addressing the issue that you’re built to address.

You’re gonna be good at raising funds successfully, and that’s a very different type of job. And also you have to spend all this money and time on signaling and showing how you’re doing a good job, but not actually doing a good job. In fact, the worst, the problem is that your nonprofit is supposed to solve the better.

What I hadn’t thought about was that this also applies to people. That when a person’s job depends on their nonprofit instead of, you know, like they don’t need the money, they’re just doing this because they want to, they’re focused on keeping their job. They’re not focused on, you know, doing good in their community or whatever, like actually seeing results.

Yeah. They need to, they need to keep their job and that, that doesn’t necessarily align. With the mission. So that, that was huge for me. And I, I, I really, yeah, I mean it’s, I, I like to read a lot of historical [00:22:00] texts and, and consume that kind of stuff in, you know, old etiquette guides and, and whatnot.

I think we don’t understand, as people living today, how incredibly prevalent it was for married women who were mothers who were busy, who had lives to do a lot of meaningful volunteering work.

And

Simone Collins: what a big impact that had on communities and what a support it was for local communities and even like larger causes abroad, they would, you know, raise money and give in kind to donations.

And now like people, there’s this like big revelation of like, oh my God, direct cash grants are so groundbreaking. Whereas like. People, just mothers housewives, like churches used to just do that. Still do that, but not in as much anymore because we have this giant NGO complex. So anyway, that was for me.

She, ultimately advocates for basically, I a

Malcolm Collins: quick question before you go further.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: How could you break apart the nonprofit industrial complex?

Simone Collins: You got a firework [00:23:00] lit under you? I think so. I, I feel like the Trump administration actually has a, a shot at this. And it’s interesting reading this article because she addresses a lot of things the Trump administration is working on, you know, eliminating all the DEI like related funding.

Trying to get rid of some of this. I guess

Malcolm Collins: you’re right. A lot of it does come from the federal government, so just

Simone Collins: stopping

Malcolm Collins: the federal government paying for it is a, is the number one thing.

Simone Collins: Well, yeah. So what, what she advocates for in her article is ending mass immigration that undercuts American workers.

So that’s not related to the NGO complex, but no more affirmative action for women or a lawsuit paydays for women. She advocates for no more federal loans for universities and female dominated majors and degrees that don’t pay for themselves. And I think that would be a big one. ‘cause a lot of the NGO.

Positions are, I would say, moderately downstream of NGO position degrees. And there is a lot of ‘em out there. A lot of ‘em. I

Malcolm Collins: think you’re right. Yeah.

Simone Collins: And she also, [00:24:00] oh, and she also, one of her specific things is no more funding for what she calls the female dominated NGO complex. So yeah, just not giving those grants anymore.

I mean, largely dismantling USAID was a huge step in the right direction. I also think that as, and you pointed this out in some other episodes, and there have been some articles about this. The generation of philanthropists that used to give to these types of organizations dies out. These organizations will start to die out as well.

So maybe give it time. I don’t know, but yeah, we’ve gotta think about this. Yeah. How do you take it out? Apologies in advance to my friends who work at these. Sorry, but they’re wrong and evil.

Malcolm Collins: They’re all women and they’re not doing anything.

Simone Collins: I mean, can you guys see that? So terrible. You the female industrial s And once

Malcolm Collins: these women are unemployed and desperate, then they’ll get married.

Right? We just gotta cut them off from state funding too.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Now, now we have to, now we have to go for all the state funded programs. I don’t know if you [00:25:00] saw but the Trump administration’s most recent prenatal list move was to change Title 10 which used to provide a lot of basically birth control support.

Okay. I think grant funding. And now they’re like, Nope, it can’t be about that anymore. We’re not gonna fund you if you, for example. Aren’t gonna rat on teenage girls who are trying to get like abortions or birth control or, or STD testing. We’re gonna tell our parents like, you have to tell our parents no more of that.

So one thing that they’re trying to do essentially is prevent the urban monoculture from standing between young ladies and their families, which I think is Oh, that’s really good. Yeah. That’s very based. It’s like, no, until they’re adults. These young women belong to the culture of their families.

Give those cultures a chance

Malcolm Collins: that’s

Simone Collins: people are gonna be like,

Malcolm Collins: well then more young women are gonna get pregnant accidentally. And it’s like, well then more young

Simone Collins: women are

Malcolm Collins: gonna have babies. Good for them.

Simone Collins: Yeah. One of our friends too, [00:26:00] Raffi Greenberg, his, he just published a rather controversial substack article on why one of the greatest threats to human civilization is birth control.

Like we’re seeing a shift here.

Malcolm Collins: Raffi posted that, that’s spicy for Raffi.

Simone Collins: It’s spicy. I know Raffi

Malcolm Collins: love it.

Simone Collins: I love it. Can he enter his spice era? Because I’m ready for it. I’m super ready for it. Yeah. We’ll

Malcolm Collins: see.

Simone Collins: Come

Malcolm Collins: on base camp.

Simone Collins: The spice must flow. It’s good. It’s good. The spice must

Malcolm Collins: flow, right?

Simone Collins: Yes.

Malcolm Collins: What, what, what would we do to, to to rile him up if we got him on base camp?

Simone Collins: I don’t know, man. I don’t know. I don’t know if, we’ll, I mean, maybe we’re, we’re too spicy for him to come on, but I, I’ll invite him if, if you’re up for it. I think that’d be fun. Do

Malcolm Collins: you think it would be good? Like I, I’d only wanna do it if we could get something really spicy to talk about.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Well, yeah. I guess we’ll see. We’ll see. But yeah, I, I, things are shifting. So. Yeah. Anyway, the Trump administration was basically no more of this allowing state funding. For removing girls from accountability in their own cultures while they’re still in their parents’ households. So I think, [00:27:00] again, the Trump administration is really.

On the forefront of this. And as much as people like to be like, well, they’re doing nothing, they’re actually doing a lot. And I think that’s cool. But anyway, the whole point of this article, and this sums it up with, with a final quote, I’ll read from it until we get to the critical response. Mm-hmm.

She writes, but let’s be clear, the status quo is maintained by a network of laws and policies that push women out of the home and into the workforce. Women who would prefer. To work part-time or not at all. While their children are young, still the substantial majority must take or must make heavy sacrifices to do so, sacrifices that were unnecessary 40 or 50 years ago, which is super true.

So anyway first things, which is the platform that this article was published on, they posted this to x the. The, the author as well in Stedman also posted it a bunch of times and it got decent traction though. Made a lot of people real mad, real mad. Though my favorite take came from Kathy Reitz, who wrote, there is no girl boss [00:28:00] versus tra wife fight.

Both are media inventions. Most women have kids and work now, and also at every point in recorded history, and that is true. What we’re really talking about is kind of enough of mine, of minority to cause a meaningful difference and to cause real damage. But most women are like not terminally online, pretty based working and raising kids like that.

That is normal. I, I agree. But okay. Here are the complainers. So great username hollow earth turf. ERF, not ground wrote The Myth of the Independent Boy Boss. This lifestyle could not exist. If not, for 13 years of free public schooling, fast full loans available for both college and trade schools.

Free labor from female partners and relatives to do their cooking, cleaning, childcare, the GI Bill, et cetera. So she’s trying to point out that men also get help. But I think she doesn’t address adequately the fact that women disproportionately get the [00:29:00] lawsuit paydays, they disproportionately get the child support if there’s a divorce.

Mm-hmm. They disproportionately get the DEI jobs, the bureaucrat jobs, the email jobs the useless degrees where they’re not paying off their student loans that are probably gonna get forgiven or forgotten or inflated away. So I don’t buy it. Jill Philippic wrote, I guess the answer here is for women to return to subsidizing the male lifestyle, which would not exist if women didn’t massively subsidize it by doing men’s cooking, cleaning, laundry, childcare, in all other manner of life, organizing.

Malcolm Collins: Well, you do that for me.

Simone Collins: I do. But here’s the thing, and because I’m like, it’s true and there’s a lot like the, the actual cost of that is incredibly high.

Malcolm Collins: Mm-hmm.

Simone Collins: But here’s what, if I wasn’t doing that for you, you just wouldn’t get those things and you’d be fine.

Malcolm Collins: That’s true.

Simone Collins: Yeah. The women subsidize men never asked for that.[00:30:00]

Men didn’t need their home to have potpourri in it and to be decorated for Halloween and to, they don’t need their stupid little, like you just ate jelly beans for breakfast. ‘cause I didn’t catch you soon enough to give you properly made scrambled eggs with a little. Whatever. I scramble

Malcolm Collins: eggs like once a week.

Don’t pretend like you give me breakfast

Simone Collins: for day. I gave a, i, I made, I made a scrambled like helicopter for Octavia this morning. I, I’m try, I try, I I ask you every morning and you’re like, oh, I just want milk. But that’s the thing. It’s like, oh, I wanna do a high effort breakfast for you. And you like, is

Malcolm Collins: I just want milk.

This is, I think you’re catching something really big here.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Women. Subsidized men to live the type of life that they wanted, that women want.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Men didn’t ask

Malcolm Collins: for

Simone Collins: that. Men

Malcolm Collins: didn’t ask. I don’t want my clothes cleaned every day. I could clean them before I met you. It’s once every six months or so, you know?

Like, I

Simone Collins: know. I

Malcolm Collins: don’t, you’re

Simone Collins: like. Kid’s clothes. I’m like, well, it’s covered in mud. You’re like, it’s not gonna get them sick. So it’s, [00:31:00] yeah,

Malcolm Collins: I need the floor cleaned. I don’t need things organized.

Simone Collins: I know. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: This is all ridiculous, extra.

Simone Collins: I know that. And that’s the thing. It’s like, no. Women didn’t subsidize men because the men would’ve been fine without that and they would’ve gone into build things and do cool stuff Without that, like that is just increasing it.

It’s adding luxury to their standard of living. I mean, I’m sure you don’t mind having the meals that I make for you in a cleaner house and you know, not getting a staff infection from your clothing, but like you could be fine. You’d go to an emergency room and get treated for it and then maybe throw away and burn your clothing and buy all new stuff, but like.

You know, you’d be fine. It’s like the that one episode from Parks and Rec, where they go into. God, what’s their names? Chris Pratt’s house and he is like,

Speaker 4: There’s an exposed wire above the bathtub as well. Oh yes. Shock wire. I call it that. ‘cause if you take a shower and you touch the wire, you die. Yes, that is accurate.

Simone Collins: . And like that’s, [00:32:00] that is the level that is the standard with which men are very happy to live.

They’re fine with it. They’re just like, don’t touch the shock wire from

Malcolm Collins: my room. Like my

Simone Collins: room. That is your room, right? Your entire room is the shock wire. I swear to God I don’t go in there. It scares me. Jordan

Malcolm Collins: Peterson’s whole like, clean your room.

Simone Collins: Make your bed. Your bed. What a person. He’s the longhouse.

Is he the male? Longhouse? What is that?

Malcolm Collins: Jordan Peterson is the male longhouse. I could even be an episode like

Simone Collins: the male. Yeah. I’m kind of ready for that.

Malcolm Collins: No wait, man. I’m gonna tell you something. You don’t need to do that. Yeah, you don’t need to change. You just need basic grooming. And your clothes need to not smell that.

Okay. That is when you wash them, when they smell bad or look bad.

Simone Collins: Malcolm, you’ve, you’ve crossed that Rubicon. I’m sorry friend, but I literally have to close the door to my room because if this, that’s my entire, that’s my entire room, my, I feel like I’m going to throw up. That is how bad it is.

Malcolm Collins: Do you wanna, do you wanna do a, [00:33:00] a room clean this weekend

Simone Collins: in the name of Health and Safety, please? Yes. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: How long

Simone Collins: has it been

Malcolm Collins: about a.

Simone Collins: I don’t know. You don’t like it when I do it. You’re like, I’m, I, I, I, I work super hard to like, disinfect it and, and deify it and take like, scrape the, like layers of like rotted cheese that somehow ended up on the floor.

And then you’re like, oh. You know, like, I mean, it’s, you’re not trying to dismiss the work I did, it’s just. It, it’s, it’s it worse for you? Like, I’ve broken the rats, like your nest has been ruined. The, the patina, the terroir is gone. You know. Well,

Malcolm Collins: it’s true. It’s, it’s, it is, it is. It does, it does worse for a bit.

Because it’s too

Simone Collins: clean. You, you so much. Yeah. You have to like, you have to build back in the it’s like an unseasoned pan, you know? Exactly. Like you now have a seasoned pan, you know, you work so. And I just, I just take dish dump to [00:34:00] thing and ruin it and ruin it. You can’t make any good dishes in there anymore.

Oh, I’m so sorry, Malcolm. Fine. I understand

Malcolm Collins: that there are safety, health and safety reasons probably at this point to do something about my room situation

Simone Collins: when you, you know Yeah. When you reach the asthma gold level of, like, the smell of the rotting rat that cooks in the sun wakes me up every morning that that’s like, that’s what, you know.

Yeah. You

Malcolm Collins: don’t think I’ve got my life together more than asba gold and, and the answer is no. I do not.

Simone Collins: But I think actually Mondal is another really great, you know, he’s very good at articulating this level of, of, of standard, of living with, with which men are happy to live. He is like, listen, you know, in like a, like two hours, I could clean this up and like he’ll say this when he sees people like hoarded houses and stuff that are really ruined on a stream or something, but in reference to his own house.

And it’s true. You know, you go through your room with a, with a couple big trash bags and like it gets done. Whereas like I will spend all this time, every single day to try to keep things up to like, you know, the 80th percentile. Yeah, and it’s a [00:35:00] lot of extra time and you’re like, why would you do that?

That’s stupid. It’s wasteful, but that’s just like women versus male preferences. So women being like, I do all this work for you. No, they do all that work for themselves, but that’s why it’s very difficult for men and women to live with each other. Anyway. Emily May wrote, TLDR women used to do a bunch of s**t that ran the whole families and communities for free.

But now they have jobs and less time to do those things. Nevermind that most community building work, volunteering, unpaid labor, et cetera, is done by women. And we are mad about that. But if women bring up that it’s exhausting always being the ones expected to do those things, we will say that women put way too much pressure on themselves and no one ask them to be the weavers of social fabric.

So just stop, have you know, agency. And I think it’s just another example of like women being like, how dare you? NN not recognize the work that I do. That’s only for me that no one asked for.

Malcolm Collins: No, it’s really that way. Even living with you, you know, it’s like I’ve, I’ve asked you, for example, the kids’ beds should really [00:36:00] be changed at least only once every two weeks.

Simone Collins: Malcolm,

Malcolm Collins: you’ve, I know,

Simone Collins: not bear the cheese, the milk, the urine, the vomit. Our kids are messy,

Malcolm Collins: can accumulate one more week without them getting sick.

Is, is this ing

Simone Collins: this woman? I can’t, I can’t hear myself think over a mess. Like I would be so much more productive as a human if I were not surrounded by the level of. Mess that I already am, like, it’s painful for me. It’s like, like a dog whistle. No one else can hear it but me. And it hurts. It hurts so bad.

Malcolm Collins: Oh my God.

Simone Collins: But yeah, I know it, I know it’s for me. I, but also I, I, I know how these women feel because, you know, I’m scraping. The vomit off of a pillow or something and I’m grumbling like, why am I the only one who ever does [00:37:00] this? And it’s ‘cause I’m the only one who ever cares. Right. And that’s, that’s this tension that I think exists between average male and average female standards that we just have to acknowledge is there.

And I think you and I have reached a very healthy Deante where you’re like, Simone’s gonna Simone. And I’m like, Malcolm’s gonna Malcolm and you have your room and I have my room over here, got my flowers. Like, you got your tiles of cans. It’s all good. His and Hers, Mars and Venus. Okay. But we just have to accept that and just like let the yin and the yang do their.

Do their thing. Okay. It’s, it’s fine. Yeah. Yeah. And then labor, your Y axis wrote one, most people do not regularly order DoorDash or Uber Eats, or have a nanny go out and meet some real people. Two, perhaps you should be at home instead of working or taking your baby out for cocktails, which I guess maybe this author did.

And then Dreamweaver responded, over 75% of Americans use delivery services. You’re incorrect here. Ask for nannies. You’re [00:38:00] correct. And I, I mean, I think it’s fair that like. Not everyone constantly orders out and stuff, but I did a fact check on this and what that person was ci, that doesn’t so

Malcolm Collins: true.

75% of Americans order out,

Simone Collins: no. See, that’s that, that is where this person was actively misleading. One analysis found that about 75% of Americans have used a food delivery app at least once. You and I have for sure.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. But like once every three years.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Well, no, we did it when we were in New York with your mom who’d be like, okay, everyone we’re getting food on Seamless.

And so that, that’s when we did it. But but yeah,

Malcolm Collins: we’ve never, like, I wouldn’t pay for that myself. Right? Like that’s incredibly misleading. If

Simone Collins: it’s actually though, it, it’s somewhat striking still to me because this is, it is just so one, eating at a restaurant is already like a strike on your financial responsibility record in my book two.

Ordering out is like, wait, are you serious? What are you doing? And then three like it, because typically you can get free delivery from a local restaurant, but using [00:39:00] DoorDash or Uber Eats mm-hmm. Then you’re paying even more. I’m like, okay, now you’re just a financial card. So that is like three strikes and one u gov survey found that 17% of Americans have food delivered at least once per week.

And that’s another, another national restaurant research based summary. Found weekly delivery users at about 37% of US adults, which is, wow,

Malcolm Collins: 37% are weekly delivery. Guys, if any of you are in our audience, can you just either send that money to us or light it on fire? Do

Simone Collins: something. Can you just don’t, yeah.

Like you feel really. Cool. I mean, I think it’s a federal offense, right? To burn money, but like you feel a lot cooler doing it.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, it’s cooler, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah. I mean, and, and if you’re anti-immigrant, apparently you shouldn’t be, shouldn’t be ordering DoorDash because No. But

Malcolm Collins: what are we doing for dinner tonight?

Simone Collins: I was gonna suggest to make [00:40:00] some. Of those very fine vermicelli noodles with the broth, if I can find it. And those meatball things.

Malcolm Collins: I actually really wanted that broth tonight, but I don’t need it with noodles.

Simone Collins: Okay. I guess

Malcolm Collins: I can do it with noodles.

Simone Collins: I mean, I figured the noodles and the meatball thing, it’s just the broth.

‘cause it’s, it’s also like it’s in the eighties today, so it’s really warm.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Let’s just do the broth.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: So

Simone Collins: for with the meatball things or not, because my goal is to empty out the meatballs for the freezer.

Malcolm Collins: Tom Young bro Broth is that what it’s called, right?

Simone Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: No, the, the meatball things I would do with Buns on a different night.

Simone Collins: Oh, Hawaiian buns.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, like two meatballs on Hawaiian buns that are toasted would be

Simone Collins: like

Malcolm Collins: really good

Simone Collins: Vietnamese meatballs.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, the Vietnamese ones, either Puck chow or whatever they’re called.

Simone Collins: Something like that. Butcher. You’re really

Malcolm Collins: good.

Simone Collins: Good. Well, yeah, it’s hot now, so I’m trying to think of things that you would like that [00:41:00] are hot, friendly.

Malcolm Collins: You don’t need to, your, your, your food is, I I’m not a temperature dependent eater.

Simone Collins: Oh. I eat something a little bit healthy. Oh, I wanna use a lot of the green onions we have left. So maybe

Malcolm Collins: I’m just so out of it after leaflet stream yesterday, I would lighter just look at it. So it literally went from what was it?

Because I was, I was looking at it here. It literally went from. 7:00 PM to 5:00 AM and it got 20,700 views.

Simone Collins: Good Lord. I mean, I.

Malcolm Collins: And of course, you know, it’ll be clipped, put on YouTube and then get another 20,000 views or something.

Simone Collins: Oh, I really look forward to watching those two of my favorite people.

Finally, I get to watch I, that’s, that’s once collide for me. I’m really looking forward to that.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, no, I was, it is, it’s a lot of fun.

Simone Collins: We’ll see. Just tell, I actually think I’m coherent. You got,

Malcolm Collins: try to make it a regular thing, so, every other Friday I may do it. Yeah, I, I learned doing it on a weekday is stupid.

Simone Collins: Oh.

Malcolm Collins: [00:42:00] I’m not, I’m not subjecting myself to that again ‘cause I basically need to sleep the entire next day.

Simone Collins: Well, but you need to help me out with the kids on weekends so I can work.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I will do that too, but I will get to sleep in, you know, so

Simone Collins: Oh, oh, right. ‘cause you have to bring weekday episodes live.

I forgot you have basically a standing appointment at 8:00 AM Yeah, at 8:00 AM every,

Malcolm Collins: every morning.

Simone Collins: Okay. Yeah, that’s a good idea. That’s also good because you were invited to do a Chris Williamson round table in Austin next Tuesday, and Oh, I was, I think, worth it for you to fly out. It’s with like limestone and some other people.

What other people, I mean, how many, like some tism? Yeah, I can check right now. But I’m like, dude, you should do it. You should do it. I

Malcolm Collins: should.

Simone Collins: And also like, you need a change of scene. I think you’ve not like last night’s experience for you. Like just getting to chat with someone who like wasn’t me really for you.

So let’s see. She said Y Yang. Yeah, yeah, [00:43:00] yeah. Maybe Brad Wilcox and maybe Coleman Hughes.

Malcolm Collins: Brad Wilcox, he’s the guy who runs the whatever institute,

Simone Collins: He has to do for family studies. He’s a, he’s like the sort of pro marriage guy.

Malcolm Collins: Mm-hmm.

Simone Collins: Coleman Hughes. Super cool. Like I, it would be super fun in, in Chris Williamson’s studio in Austin.

I think you should do it.

Malcolm Collins: Okay.

Simone Collins: Do I have your, well, let’s, let’s get to book that. Okay. I, I mean, obviously I, I handle your life with all my stupid feminine standards. Booking all your stuff, you know, cleaning all your stuff that you don’t want clean. How dare I? Anyway, how dare

Malcolm Collins: you.

Simone Collins: Oh, dare I,

Malcolm Collins: I love you too.

No, it’s gonna be fun going down to Austin, seeing Chris again. Mm-hmm. I haven’t met Brian, whatever his name is. I,

Simone Collins: I think Brad Wilcox. We met Brad Wilcox at the first art conference. Oh, nice. Yeah. It’s very cool, but we’re terrible [00:44:00] with names so you wouldn’t remember. I’m sure once you started talking with him you’d be like, oh yeah.

Okay. Right. You’re super cool. Thank you. Yeah, maybe you could meet up with RA while you’re in town. I don’t know.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, see who the round.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Okay. I’ll get to organizing that for you and I think you’ll have a good time. Good. Anyway, I love you and goodbye.

Malcolm Collins: Bye-bye.

Okay. Well, I love you. Today’s episode. It didn’t do that well, but it didn’t seem to do particularly poorly either.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: You notice 10 outta 10. It’s not like, let’s see where we’re at right now

Simone Collins: compared to your other ones recently.

Perhaps is, is, that’s the issue, you know,

Malcolm Collins: 6.4 K.

Simone Collins: 6.4 K is terrible. Really isn’t for like, does Malcolm,

Malcolm Collins: what your convention to attend.

Simone Collins: Come on man. It’s good. Look, I like it. Okay. Can we turn up the light on you a little bit?

Malcolm Collins: [00:45:00] Okay. I also sent you the video for Twitter.

Simone Collins: Thank you. Okay. Let me get that downloading now, ‘cause I have the Patreon post just sitting there, but, oh.

Then right after this, and before I go down to

Malcolm Collins: very interesting experience to stream one, I didn’t know that streamers had to stream for that Long.

Simone Collins: Streams do seem to last a really long time, which is it, I think one reason why you end up getting streamers as being some of the most popular news commentary people because one, they need to fill their time slot.

And two, you can take clips from that and turn them into YouTube videos and be prolific. So you have prolific, news commentary on current events from people also who have been forced to really hone their work because they’re spending a lot of time doing it. They’re getting constant chat feedback. And even like monetary rewards for really like doing a good job.

So mm-hmm. Is it any surprise, I mean, these are people who are [00:46:00] being circumstantially trained to be the best.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. You’ve gotta, I mean, I’d say it’s a completely different art form than doing YouTube videos or something like that. And I, I had no idea. Yeah.

Simone Collins: Good to edit. You have to be like rapid fire, instant feedback.

That’s how you develop the best intuition. Right?

Malcolm Collins: Stay on top of the chat. For people who aren’t aware, I was on leaflets channel and we streamed from 7:00 PM till 6:00 AM it was like

Simone Collins: you have a whole new level of respect for her,

Malcolm Collins: but yeah, I was like, you do this every day.

Simone Collins: She’s amazing. Well, and on top of that, developing like a whole, whole platform, a whole nother world.

And all of it’s more. Well,

Malcolm Collins: she runs a number of businesses.

Simone Collins: Oh yeah. Also the plushy, the plushy business. Yeah. She’s, she’s a Plushie. Barrs. She’s, yeah. She, she has it all. What can, what can we say we get,

Malcolm Collins: we should we get plushies made Simone

Simone Collins: with giant glasses?

Malcolm Collins: Well, I don’t know. What, what are our avatars?

We [00:47:00] don’t, do we have. I guess I’ll ask AI

Simone Collins: A gear. A gear has like zero personality, so I don’t know how that’s gonna go. We can just sell giant, really heavy metal gears. Just get them from machine parts companies. You have, you have extras from your run. Sell them to us.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Send people gear.

Simone Collins: We’ll put them in our Etsy shop and market

Malcolm Collins: like

Simone Collins: everybody else’s,

Malcolm Collins: like squishy and fun.

And also it’s just like an industrial

Simone Collins: deer. Buy your deer. Get you literal, real, like literally gotta get you gear. Gotta get the gear. Gotta

Malcolm Collins: get, yeah.

Simone Collins: Gotta get the gear. We’ll make a great AI commercial for it. Just you Wait. Gotta get

Malcolm Collins: here. Well she showed me a great new service for doing AI videos.

Oh yeah. That is way better than AI had seen before. Which is yeah, I’ll share it with you.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: It’s a seed dance.

Simone Collins: Never heard of that. Ooh.

Malcolm Collins: And if I hadn’t just woken up, I would’ve experimented with it already. I’m looking at integrating it with our website to see if our, we can get working on our fab.ai.

Simone Collins: Okay, let’s try that out. [00:48:00] But I’ll get us into today’s episode because it’s a, women are terrible episode.

Malcolm Collins: Women are terrible.

Simone Collins: Well, this episode of women are Terrible. Well,

Malcolm Collins: that’s not the people are sure to click on that. Like, guys love learning.

Simone Collins: Oh my God.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And, and then the al one, they’re like, Simone’s always more anti-woman than Malcolm.

Somebody

Simone Collins: times. It’s easier for me to do the anti-woman ones. I don’t know. I was just watching a an arrest video that Aspen Gold was commenting on during his dream where a woman gets arrested from refusing to leave a Ross because she wasn’t allowed to. Not pay for things ‘cause her boyfriend works there or something.

Something. Wait,

really?

Yeah. And ASM Gold was commenting ‘cause I think he watches a lot of body cam footage on his stream. Like the, the, the female law enforcement officers just tend to put up a lot less with women’s nonsense. It’s like zero, zero pity. They know exactly what’s going on. So there’s that.

Oh, the, the jelly beans. AKA gummy bears according to Tyson. Well, I just woke

Malcolm Collins: up and [00:49:00] I need to stay awake.

Simone Collins: Breakfast of Champions. Yeah. You

Malcolm Collins: jelly beans are the Breakfast of Champions. This is the,

Simone Collins: yeah. Okay. That’s, I would’ve made you, it’s fine. It’s fine, Simone. It’s fine. Okay. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 6: I see your size. What are you working on? Iny.

Speaker 7: Okay, so what’s wrong with your peanut butter sandwich? It’s all peanut butter.

Speaker 8: The butter has four honey. Is it, oh, is it that it has peanut butter on it? Yeah. So next time you want a peanut butter sandwich, but with no peanut butter, what do you want next time?[00:50:00]

Speaker 7: Only honey only. I don’t think that’s good for you though.

You like honey. I do too. I think a lot of people like Honey Octavian, what did you learn about this morning?

Speaker 8: Oh, I forgot. I forgot the other night. You forgot what you learned about this morning, yesterday. That’s how forgetful you are. Mommy forgetting. Yeah. I forget the other night. Very well. I forget. What does that mean? Like my brain is like.

A reading brain. Did he say he doesn’t [00:51:00] have a reading brain? He doesn’t have a reading brain. I realize when I type into ai, I type in learning, uh, without, you do not like the way he’ll be like learning. He ain’t got good learning. Can you learn me something today? Learning, of course. AI thinks I’m an idiot for sure.

Speaker 6: Look, it thinks, it knows everyone’s an idiot. I think that’s the key thing.

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