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as we finish drawing here on a Tuesday.

Still to come.

The great Gary Parish,

talking to some more college basketball with you.

Time now, however, to give you the things

that you need to know.

You may not want to know these things.

You need to know these things.

Need.

That's the important part.

We care.

We like want,

but needs more important.

Sometimes you'll find out that,

you know, what you need is what you want.

You can't always get what you want,

but if you try sometimes,

you just might find you get what you need.

Oh, wow.

I did not think I was going to do that

when the segment began,

but it was there.

I had to take the shot.

Now I'm mixed proud of you.

Yeah.

Let's hear from Brad Underwood.

You know, he's a case state alum.

Mm-hmm.

It's going to be Coach In Illinois.

It's going to be Coach In Illinois in Houston playing

the Houston Cougars.

Is that fair?

Um, it's...

I don't know.

Probably not.

I mean, a team who's not a one-seed.

There are two.

They probably shouldn't be home for their own...

No, regional.

But...

I still take it to your Curtis.

Yeah, but I'm always told people, you know,

I said this last week when the brackets first came out

and Missouri was in St. Louis,

and they should have...

They should have...

I was like,

if you think you can do this better,

you put 68 teams,

or 64 teams into eight regions,

or eight sites,

while following all the restrictions they have

or who can play who in the conference games

in the first two rounds,

you do that

and not have one mistake like that.

It's impossible every year someone has that habit to them.

Cal Baptist was 90 minutes away from their place

and Kansas has to go halfway across the country.

It happens.

It might be a little bit easier to avoid that in the sweet 16

by making figuring out,

okay, we know Houston's in this region.

Let's not put them as the two in that region.

That would have been a lot easier to prevent,

but there they are.

Mm-hmm.

So no whining?

Nah.

Okay.

Let's hear what Brad Underwood had to say,

the head coach of the Align Eye,

says it won't be a factor.

I don't give two rips about it,

to be honest.

You know, that's for all you guys to talk about

and all the...

I guess it's a conversation piece

and it's a question I'm getting a lot,

but you know what?

The Align Eye Nation will show up.

There's two other big 10 teams there.

I hope they cheer for us.

But it doesn't matter.

I mean, you've got to play great to win.

You know, we'll play in Africa.

We'll play him wherever it doesn't matter.

And it's just one of those deals that...

It worked out that way.

And if we beat them,

it'll be because we played better.

If they beat us, it'll be because they played better.

It won't be the crowd.

I don't think they have any plans to play it in Africa.

No, but you get his point.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

He's not going to give his team an excuse coming out of the gates.

Yeah.

Like, why would you say, yeah, it's actually ridiculous.

We shouldn't be here.

Like, oh, yeah.

Oh, it's not going well.

Well, they got all the crowd.

As opposed to...

You're not going to listen to that in his idle.

Yeah.

As opposed to someone else who...

We'll get to it in a minute.

We'll get to.

Brandon would have asked why the big 10 hasn't had

a national champion since 2000.

Look at the teams in the sweet 16 that we've played.

The big 10 is loaded.

The big 10's old, you know, last year it was a freshman dominated league.

And I think everything goes in cycles.

But, you know, you start looking and you start seeing the success of teams

and their old, their veterans.

The league has great, great guard play this year.

The best it has since I've been in the league.

There's a lot of size in the league.

You know, and it's only one team's going to win.

We've been to the final four.

You know, teams have been to the final four out of the big 10 a bunch.

You know, you just got to keep knocking on the door.

And your time will come.

But this year is exceptional.

It was extremely difficult, no matter who you played,

to go on the road and get a win in this league.

Great coaching, great players.

And this year was exceptionally tough.

Has he been to the final four with Illinois?

No.

He just...

Yeah, like the big 10.

Yeah, like the big 10.

So two years ago, Michigan State's been, I think, six times since 01.

I was just...

It was Michigan a couple of times.

Wisconsin, Ohio State, Illinois, Indiana.

Illinois's lost the championship.

But...

Yeah, Roy and...

But in Purdue lost it two years ago.

So there've been a handful, but no title.

Yeah.

I think it's more anomaly than anything.

I'm sure there's an element of like they've been focusing on football too much.

Yeah.

I think they'll probably win like three out of the next six.

I'm going to be like, okay, you know how it's long.

It's been since the SEC or how it's been since the big 12 was won it.

The SEC had seven teams in the sweet 16 last year.

Yeah.

And the big 10's got six.

And they had the champion last year, SEC.

SEC's got four, but none of them are heavies.

Curtis wants to throw, you know, my Syracuse coach under the bus.

No, just struck the distinction.

And I hadn't thought about the distinction of that clip until I heard in the context

with the clip from Brad Underwood, which was just the other way around.

Yeah.

Syracuse, the ladies team was blown up yesterday.

31-0 Ronald do that to you.

Yeah, what was the final 90-something to 40-something?

Yeah, 95-49.

But the Yukon called off the dogs.

It was at one point after the 31...

It's like 60-15, wasn't it?

Yeah, after the 31-0 run it was 53-8.

And it was 65-12 at the half.

And then they played pretty much even Steve in the rest of the way.

I think Gina called off the dogs.

That's the kind of score you get when you're coaching the little tikes.

And it's the first year of the steal.

Yeah.

And one team's got some kids with some 1-2.

And the other team don't.

Yeah.

That's what that looks like.

Of course, I've seen some scores in some of the high school.

If you get a lower level, you know, state girls basketball term.

And there's one team that just blows everyone away.

You get some 65-12 scores, but not a Division I college basketball, usually.

Felicia Leggett, Jack of the Head Coach of the Syracuse Orange,

is tired of taking your teams to Stores, Connecticut, and March.

To continuously have to come to Yukon in every single school that I go to

is unfair to the young people.

I don't know what it is.

Somebody said, is there something that they might have against me if that's the case?

I would need to communicate about that, but for us to be what we've done,

and our body of work to have to come and play the best team in the country.

I mean, Geno has this thing going, and he is, I love what he's done.

But I thought deserved a little more respect after being in his business for 37 years,

and to have to come and be in this particular bracket every freaking year is unacceptable,

if you're on the committee, and you've been around for more than a year or two

or five to 10 to 15 years, you understand what that looks like.

I've been on those committees to see how it's done, how you can put people on different lines,

put us on a 10 line, give whatever.

But for us to continue to come to Connecticut year after year after year is to mean,

it's a personal attack.

I looked at numbers.

Last time they were in the tournament was two years ago.

They had to go through stores, and they lost a pretty competitive game.

The last time they were before that, she wasn't there, she was still in Buffalo,

but the coach then, quit in Hillsman, had to go through Connecticut.

So the last three times the Syracuse has played in the second round,

they've lost at Connecticut.

But her last trip at Buffalo in 19 was also at Connecticut,

and they lost by 12.

Well, let's get them off campus.

Yeah.

I mean, I know what they're doing, they're wanting to sell tickets,

and then you're going to reward the team that has the best season.

I get it, but I mean, aren't we at a point?

Should.

Like, you know, to me, even if you're going to smaller buildings,

you know, okay, so you don't have to go to the United Center in Chicago.

Go play at any one of a number, you know, if you go to Vegas,

don't, don't play where the nights play, and it's, you know, 19, 20,000 play

either at the Orleans or play at, you know, over at the,

you know, the big white hotel down in the end,

where the, where the aces play.

Um, what the hell is that one that you want to see the Aladdin?

It's not the lad in the, um, not Mirage.

No, no, no, no.

This, now down on the south end, all the way down, all the way past the Luxor,

it's across from the airport, across from the leadership, what the hell is that called?

I did shows there.

Oh, Mandalay Bay.

Mandalay Bay.

Uh, go down to the Mandalay Bay.

They've got an 8,000 seat arena and play it there.

Just get off campus.

I like to see that happen, but I, I, I don't like hearing this,

but my assumption is, okay.

I want to underscore this and draw attention to the fact that this is happening.

Yeah.

And so next time when they're like, oh, it just so happens that the line has this.

Look at that.

Syracuse.

Well, we better not do it again, or we're really going to, I mean, to me,

this is her work and the refs.

Yeah.

And she says she's a very veteran coach.

Yeah.

She's been a head coach since 2003.

She's been an Indiana Hofstra, Indiana Buffalo, and now Syracuse.

Yeah.

She said 37 years.

And that was a, a clip of about minute 15 of a nearly three minute answer.

And it was her opening statement after the game.

At one point, she began that by saying, you know, I, I, I want to be able to,

you know, I'm thankful for being able to do this.

But, you know, I want to be, I have to say something here.

When I tell my, my players to woman up, I need to do it too.

And that was her, her kind of doing that, standing up for her players,

standing up for her program.

And you're standing up, I go and like, we shouldn't have to go play with your team

because we can't win.

I think she felt like she was defending them, but she does.

I may not be the best move, but my hope is, and I'll be happy to hear somebody

be like, she's just a winer.

I'm not going to argue with you.

I mean, if she didn't coach my team, I might be saying that too.

But I think it's, it's an example of her working the room.

Yeah.

Working the committee.

Yeah.

Don't do this again.

I just wanted to underscore so that everybody nationally knows.

Yes.

I have had to go, because she had to go play him at Buffalo too,

which she's at Buffalo.

She had to go.

Syracuse has had to go there three times.

Yeah.

And they do it more regionalized, but like, you know, come on.

I think we're at a point with the, with the women's sports.

We can go ahead and run the show the way it needs to be run.

And, and yeah, this Yukon team.

I was looking at their SRS rating on reference.

It's the second, it'd be the second best Yukon team they've ever had.

To the 16 team.

And it maybe is the best.

I mean, they look like it.

They're there.

We mentioned this earlier.

Maybe it was yesterday.

They're the favorite against the field to win the national championship.

How often do you see that in any sport?

And they're just destroyed 40 point.

They're average margin of victory.

There should have been 40 points or unbeaten, obviously.

That's the, the, you're a one.

You already have a seeding advantage.

Would you need the first two games to be played on your home court?

No, they don't.

But if everybody else is getting it, that's what you get.

I get it's not on Yukon.

It's like Yukon sometimes.

I must say it's, it's their phone.

But do they need an additional benefit?

The sport, I think, is big enough now where they could go to some places and start selling out.

Branch out.

Play your, all those games that first, the magical day of college basketball is Tuesday.

It's Thursday and Friday.

Spread those games a lot of the country.

And I, like I said, we'll go to watch games.

They'll go, I love this sport now.

I, I get it if you don't, you know, you're not going to play in Ford field or something for your championship game.

You, but you're going to play in an arena.

They sell out arenas.

Yeah.

Maybe you don't need the biggest free.

Every town now has arenas that are eight to 10,000.

There are different events that you could, you could definitely get a place where you can fill, fill the building and get an atmosphere.

And then you get a premium on tickets.

Yep.

You know, so anyway.

All right.

That's some other college basketball news.

KU, maybe it's going to be open, North Carolina might be open.

Florida not messing around.

They're looking to extend Todd golden again.

This will be the third contract extension in as many years.

Athletic director Scott Stickle said today, we're going to do everything in our power to make sure he always knows that he's really valuable.

In other words, we're going to give him gobs of money.

Lots of cash.

By the way, can you imagine an official having to work?

Not him.

I mean, he asked it, but that was thinking of the Yukon.

Danny Hurley on one side and met Cronin on the other.

That's probably officials dream.

What do you think?

And and golden is kind of becoming one of those guys to be becoming that guy that the exchanges he had with Ben McCollum were just like, dude, come on.

Cincinnati is hired Utah States Jared Calhoun as its next head coach.

The deal is for six years starting at 3.7 million per.

Who'll be introduced tomorrow.

Reports had K state reaching out to him.

And then suddenly right after that, since they fired their coach.

Yeah.

Like, this is where we all knew this was going.

Yeah.

3.4 million for K state's coach, 3.7.

Calhoun only gets 300,000 more.

Yeah.

Which is more about, I'll come back to Alexander getting a lot of money.

For seven years of Elmont with no tournament appearances.

For sure.

For sure.

And they're in the same conference now.

They're going to meet at least once a year.

That'll be it.

And we talk about two separate hires.

And how well, there's two we need to track for.

You know, down the road.

You're certainly going to track Casey Alexander and Jared Calhoun the next three or four years.

Jerry McNamara won a national championship with Syracuse in 2003.

He'll try to do it now as their head coach.

In the last three years as an assistant under Jim Bayheim.

He spent one year as an assistant under Adrian Otrie last two years.

I think it was at Siena where he, you know, was engineered a near upset or at least engineered a heck of a performance.

Yeah.

Against Duke in the opening round.

He's now back at Syracuse as their head coach.

The NBA is on Milwaukee's rear end about Yannis.

Employing that Milwaukee is tanking and damaging the integrities.

Damaging the NBA's integrity by wanting to shut down the all star forward for the rest of the season.

They haven't asked that.

First of all, they should have traded him a year and a half ago.

But if the plan is to trade him, don't get him hurt.

They're looking out for their franchise.

That's what they should do.

It's what they should do.

If you don't like that, then loosen up the rules on being able to move players around.

Or don't allow free agency.

I don't know, figure it out.

But like, why would you not do what's best for your parent unit fund is 500 grand?

Fine.

Fine.

We have this asset.

We need to trade him.

We're not getting him hurt.

I'm all for it.

NFL News, Joe Flacco's agreed to a one year deal with the Bengals.

He'll make up to nine million, six million guarantee.

Lamonte David, 12th time captain of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, has called it a career.

14 years.

Turn 36 in January.

He is done in the NFL.

We will take a break when we come back.

We talk college basketball.

Gary Parrish, our college basketball insider, is next.

I welcome back here in the program here on Sports Radio 810WHB.

Let's talk some college basketball with Gary Parrish, our college basketball insider.

He joins us here in the program.

Gary, how are you?

I'm all right, man.

How are you?

Doing very good.

Let's do some house cleaning here before we get to the tournament.

Missouri's season.

And the four years that we've seen out of Dennis Gates.

Is that an average for what a team ought to do?

Is he exceeding expectations?

Is he below expectations when you coach in the SEC?

I bring it up because some Missouri fans are kind of like, you know, Rinson repeat.

We're seeing the same thing all the time.

Is this all that, you know, you should you be happy?

Happy with it.

I mean, certainly you want to go to the lead eight and final four and maybe win a national championship.

But is this like, hey, this is as good as you can expect.

Don't be thinking you're going to walk on this.

Because you're more likely to get worse than better.

If you're thinking that Dennis Gates isn't getting it done.

So there's a lot there.

I don't think you can say he's exceeding expectations.

But I also don't know that it would be fair to call it disappointing because he has been in the incident of late tournament in three of the past four years.

Obviously, the one where he missed it was really bad.

I mean, he's been in the lead eight and he's been in the lead eight.

But outside of that, you know, he's taken Missouri in one of, let's call it, two toughest conferences in America to the NCAA tournament.

75% of the years that he's been the coach.

If that's not good enough, then that's that's a totally different conversation you need to have about investing and resources and NIO and revenue share.

So what I want to say is that I understand what the fan base is going through because I live through this on some level with Josh Pasteur at Memphis.

Josh would consistently, at least early on, get to the NCAA tournament, but never really did damage in it.

Like maybe when a game, but never too, like quite literally, never too.

And that came on the heels of the John Calapari run.

And so fans were like, hey, going to the NCAA tournament is nice, but we want more.

So you know what Memphis fans have learned since they pushed Josh Pasteur out the door that going to the NCAA tournament is not a birthright for a basketball program.

And that if you start thinking our next coach will be better than the guy who gets our program to the NCAA tournament more often than not, you might be right.

If you hire Ben McCollum or the next Ben McCollum, but there is a decent chance that your next hire is not going to be as good as the one you were already frustrated with.

And that has certainly been the case at Memphis.

They pushed out Josh Pasteur who was going to NCAA tournaments to get Tubby Smith.

Things got worse. Then they pushed out Tubby Smith to get the penny harder way.

Things didn't get worse, but things aren't going well.

The truth is you look back at every coach who's run the Memphis program since John Calapari.

And nobody's run it better than Josh Pasteur.

And the fans pretty much hated him the entire time.

That could be going on a little bit at Missouri.

It's a strong word, obviously, but that is when you haven't been going to the NCAA tournament as a program, your fans just want you to get there.

But then when you start getting there consistently, then they want more.

And if you don't deliver that, well, that's when these conversations start happening.

Yeah, tell me his comments after the game, you know, I just I think we're poorly, he didn't think it out.

You know, he's asked about a season. He's like, well, I don't think any coach in the country could have gotten us to where we are today, but me.

But I judge myself harshly, and we didn't win a championship, so that's a failure.

But like the, yeah, the comment that nobody could have gotten us here like, who do you think you are, man, that you're going to.

Yeah, I didn't hear that comment specifically, but that's a problem to say that out loud because you're just inviting people when you say something that out like that out loud to tell you how many people they would actually would rather have coaching this program.

Or I mean, you tell him he'd been the column who's got Iowa in the sweet 16 with like one real player couldn't have done more with the Missouri roster.

Like when you start saying things like, nobody could have done better than what I did.

You better be holding a national championship trophy or something close to that or else it's not going to land the way you want it to land.

Like all 16 guys who are still coaching this week.

I mean, I mean, we can put together a lift if you wanted, but I'm sure even Dennis would tell you he wishes he would he could take that quote back.

Do we know is there any kind of reliable data? Do we have at least a ballpark of what each team is spending on the roster?

I mean, there's there's data out there and there's lists you can find, but then you send those list of coaches and they'll say that's not right.

I don't think anybody has a proper actual understanding of what is Duke really spending?

Or what are Duke's players really making and where is all this money coming from and how much of it was designed to influence where they enrolled?

In other words, Duke has Repshare just like everybody else has Repshare and Duke's going to have in our opportunities that they create just like, you know, a lot of big brands have in our opportunities that they create.

But there's also going to be a Nike component to all of this or some other big component to all this that just thinks it's best to have somebody there paying a lot of money to be on the stage that a place like Duke provides.

So people can tell you what Cameron Boother is making from here, making from there.

But anybody trying to tell you they know exactly every penny or even every hundred thousand dollars to the specific number that players are making on campus is all over the country.

Unless you are the general manager of one of those schools or the head coach or working really in the middle of it all.

A lot of this stuff is guessing it's here say it's lies. I mean some of it is just flat lies and it is funny every off season you hear coaches bragging or whispering about how much money they have.

But then those numbers get out and then they don't do well and then they get so mad that those numbers are out there like Kentucky didn't care that people were saying they have a twenty two million dollar roster when they were trying to build the team and build expectations.

But the second that went sideways Mark Pope didn't like people ringing up the twenty two million dollar number anymore that number now gets bragged about when you're roster building.

But if you don't do it well it gets used against you but to answer your question directly.

I don't know that there is a single source of great information on on what these rosters actually cost.

Like if you look at majorly baseball we can get pretty much down to the penny of what the Dodgers are spending.

What the meds are spending with the Yankees are spending. That kind of information accurate information is not available in college.

We're talking to Gary Parrish here in the program. I'm sure you talked about this a little bit last week when I was gone.

But I want to go at it a little bit different route. K state hires Alexander from Belmont.

One of the guys that they you know reports have them having called as well was Calhoun from Utah state who has now landed at Cincinnati.

They gave three point four million dollars a year to Alexander who seven years of Belmont did not make the NCAA tournament.

In fact he's made the NCAA tournament once in his career and three point seven million is what Cincinnati ended up giving Calhoun.

That's more it's not that much more like did case state really need to give three point four million dollars.

I mean it's not my money. So what do I care and more power to him. Congratulations. They got it.

They spent it. But is that really what it took to get a coach to case they do in seven years as a minute of the tournament.

I mean probably not but like you said it's not our money and it's not something that works against a revshare cap.

You know salary cap if you will. It's just either a wealthy person or a collection of wealthy people who are going to be paying that bill.

But this is about what power conference coaches make these days. You know I can remember when it was wild if somebody made one million dollars a year.

Now if you're like at the worst power conference job you're probably making at least two and in the threes is a pretty normal starting point for you know middle of the pack.

It's big 12 type of programs. So I know that Casey doesn't have the post season success that you know any big 12 program would want in an incoming coach.

But he did win his league in new 2020 and then the NCAA tournament obviously was canceled.

And I think if you're really trying to sell Casey Alexander to Kansas state fans.

I don't want to say don't focus on the lack of NCAA tournament appearances because that sounds like hey don't look at the bad stuff.

I'm not trying to I'm not trying to get you to ignore facts. I'm just saying Kansas state when they evaluate him as a person who can run a basketball program.

What they I'm certain see is that these are his finishes in his leaks at Lipscomb in his final three years, second, second tied for first gets the Belmont job first, first, second, third, fourth, first.

He had shown over a long period of time an ability to competently run a basketball program. Now, is that going to be good enough at Kansas state?

Absolutely not. You've got to go to NCAA tournaments. You need to advance in NCAA tournaments, particularly if you're making this kind of money.

But what you got right now is a basketball coach who is not really a big role of the dice gamble.

You this guy has been coaching and running confident basketball programs for a long time. Now you got to get in the resources to do it.

Kansas state and see hit the pops. You can hear him on the eye on college basketball podcast. See him on the CBS sports network.

Read him at cbsports.com. He's Gary Parrish our college basketball insider. I believe I said this for a while that this was Bill.

After beating Arizona was like nothing we've seen before. And to me, it was a guy was and maybe it was as simple as well.

I know there's not going to be that many more of these. So I'm going to soak in every one of them from here moving forward.

Maybe that's it. And I'll watch him have that reaction for two more years. I don't think so. What do you think?

I can tell you matter of factly, people are talking about it as a more realistic thing than I have ever heard people talk about it.

Even when Bill actually had the the heart procedures, I don't think he'd ever addressed the future as candidly as he did after that loss in the round of 32.

I don't doubt that he's not feeling as healthy as he needs to feel. I also think this toll, I mean the season has taken a toll on him.

It's just mentally exhausting. I would assume having to deal with the darren Peterson situation and all that it entailed having to clearly cover for him and his camp at certain points in the season.

Having to sit there in front of microphones and ask or answer a bunch of uncomfortable questions where you know you can't just speak plainly because it's a delicate situation.

I just think this season, it had to have worn him out if only because I know it wore me out just talking about it.

And so never in coaches will tell you this. They don't want to make a decision five minutes after the season's over one day after the season's over because I mean I can tell you by the time I get to the end of the season.

I look up and I go I've been staying up till seven in the morning podcasting I watch the sunrise. I'm in New York City for a you know a month straight.

Why am I doing this like at the end of every season I start going I need to reevaluate my life and then I get two weeks on the golf course that I'm recharged and I'm ready to go.

And so as always we'll see but but more people right now think what you said is more likely than it's ever been before and that that is bill that bill self may have actually coached the last game of Kansas.

We're talking to a man who is assessing his life right now because it's late in the year as it's going to build me for the therapy.

It's it's offensive and reflective. Yeah that's what it is. Yeah very special program. Absolutely.

My larger point is that I know what it's like to be worn out and still like sure I don't know if I want to do this again.

But then every year I go back and convince myself that I have the best life in the world. Why would I not want to do this?

And so I understand how you can go back and forth on these types of things but you know to be fair I'm never dealing with a heart condition or at least I haven't had to deal with one yet.

So there's a lot of variables here. I hope more than anything like whatever bill wants. I hope that's what he gets.

He's obviously earned the right to make his own decisions on how all of this goes and he's had one of the greatest coaching careers of all time even if he never coaches another game.

But if he does have a desire to continue to coach I hope his help allows him to do that. Well I think you know it's you're just trying to drum up you know clicks for your podcast.

Yeah college basketball podcast. Oh no I'm sorry that's Travis Kelsey who does this little little dance at the end of every year and then tells us no I knew all along.

Oh okay thanks. Appreciate it. That kind of thing does drive me crazy like not with Travis specifically but like when people.

Well you haven't waited for 45 minutes for him to come out for his five minute Q&A then.

But like when the you see these Darren Peterson stories that are coming out now like well if you guys would have known what he was going through before this.

Well you could have told us that it's time. Yes I mean you know you could have said and so another one like you see Mark Pope get all mad over the weekend.

I see all these stories and all these numbers and you know it's just wild what's what's out there and how much of it's not true.

Bro you're the head coach if it's not really twenty two million dollars say it if you didn't really X offer Yaxl linden board seven million dollars say it it's wild to me when people stay quiet.

When they could clarify anything they wanted and then finally when they talk they say I just couldn't believe all the things that were getting said.

You could have cleared this up at any point that you wanted to and you don't and that's just that's a pet peeve of mine.

Like don't listen to everybody else talk and then come back and say well if you would have known you they could have told us the Darren Peterson story as it's being told now.

You know back in September or October I really don't have any interest hearing about it when they're clearly just trying to do damage control now.

If only someone had stuck a microphone in your face yeah you could have said this.

It's like there's this like Darren Peterson well here's what you guys don't understand tour because they mismanaged his entire one.

The college basketball to the point where he really might not go number one in the draft when less than a year ago everybody thought he was going number one in the draft.

So now it's like well you know his body shut down and it was traumatic and okay you had every opportunity to say that in whatever form.

Now this is just damage control because they realize that grass pee had firmly on the number one pick.

He does not have it anymore that's right that's right.

How good is the KU job now I mean how much has it lost lustre or is every other job out there with a bunch of money just just caught up to him.

Well I will say that the whole brand thing doesn't matter as much as it used to.

Like Syracuse reportedly just got passed over by the South Florida coach who took the Providence job.

So that tells you that brands don't matter the way they once mattered because the Syracuse brand is one of the biggest brands of our lives you know it better than most.

But they have not been resourcing that program in any sort of way that suggests they're trying to get back the national championships and final fours.

And so that job has slipped I don't think the Kansas job is that though in fact I'm confident it's not.

Yeah there's a whole lot of places now that are throwing a lot of money around and they can maybe prevent their coach from leaving.

But at the end of the day I mean you hear whether it's Tommy Lloyd or TJ Opselberger any coach when they walk in that building Dan Hurley they have an incredible appreciation for the history of that place for everything connected to it.

And Kansas is one of the few and I mean very few places right there with North Carolina with I think Kentucky in most situations one of the places where you can actually go get somebody's great coach.

We live in a world now where you know you get you build something big at Baylor they got all the money in the world to pay you.

You may just stay at Baylor you build something big at Alabama they got all the money in the world to pay you might just stay at Alabama.

But when Kansas calls that's the one where you have to at least say I've got to think about it because historically.

Well I mean I'll just say something actually I think this is true dating all the way back to Larry Brown.

There's never been anything other than Hall of Fame coaches in charge of that program.

Well I'm sorry I'm going to interrupt you.

No I'm just saying and you've got a chance to be the next one.

Yeah.

You're dating back to the 80s.

Here's what the Kansas job is if you get it you will end up in the Hall of Fame.

That alone makes that a job.

I don't care who you are unless you're like maybe John Shire maybe Dan Hurley outside of that you've got to listen to Kansas calls.

Yeah and the guy before Brown just went to two final fours.

Even if you go back to Ted Owens they were good.

Yeah.

What is the situation?

We mentioned Desiree Reed Francois is the athletic director at Arizona and she left to take less money to go to Arizona.

She left Missouri.

She got out in front of some folks that were not happy.

Right?

So do we know Tommy Lloyd's happy at Arizona?

I mean is it what what you know because that would seem like one where I'm I'm looking at it and here's a guy.

It's had incredible success.

He certainly fits the profile.

He's got the resume that would warrant hiring him and I can see a scenario where it may not be the most ideal job situation for him.

You know he has set things about you know being at Arizona and not necessarily loving being in the big 12.

Now I don't want to put words in his mouth.

But he did have the comment from the big 12 tournament.

I think where he said something along the lines of like yeah I would love for this to be in Las Vegas.

You know we don't you know they certainly implied we don't love coming to Kansas City every year.

And then said something along the lines of I didn't have to be in the big 12.

They put me in the big 12 and so he did take a job that he did not he now have a job rather that he did not sign up for.

As for what that means it's it's hard to say but you know I know Mitt Kronin for one doesn't love being the UCLA coach in the big 10.

As much as he liked being the UCLA coach in the pack 12.

And so there's some some thought that perhaps Tommy doesn't love the conference affiliation but there's also evidence that he's knocking it out of the park there.

I guess it's a long winded way of saying I don't know but I would check on that type of thing.

Because if you remember that's how Illinois ended up with Brad Underwood.

They weren't they weren't looking down that path to go higher Oklahoma state coach after one year or whatever it was.

They were making phone calls talking to agents and at one point Brett just to his Brad Underwood agent says hey would you be interested in Brad Underwood?

And the conversation is like but he's only been there a year I know but he's not happy and he would move after one year.

If you're ready to move him even if most people don't assume that.

Could there be a Tommy Lloyd situation like that or another high program like is Nate Oates like think about this.

Let's say Nate Oates who only cares about one thing and that's winning basketball games is sideways with his administration now.

I'm not saying this is true. I'm just saying what if he's happy at Alabama everything's cool.

Then Aiden Holloway gets arrested right before the NCAA tournament and his administration says we have to detach him from the program.

And he says why we are running a professional basketball franchise at the collegiate level.

If an NBA player got arrested for weed do you think they would suspend him from the team for the rest of the season?

Of course not so what are we doing?

What if that is what causes the friction between an administration and a coach and suddenly his eyes are wondering looking around saying

if a bigger job or a comparable job wants me.

I wouldn't have left a year ago but if they're going to prevent me from having my best players going into the NCAA tournament here.

I'll find an administration that will work more hand in hand with me.

That kind of stuff happens all the time in college athletics.

And so if I were trying to hire a coach absolutely you talk to three or four different agents.

You can have a good grasp for who's happy and who's not in their current situation either because they are scared they're going to end up on the hot seat.

They're not getting the extension that they desire could be something as simple as the wife just wants to move to a different city.

There's a million things that could play into that but any smart athletic director checks.

The assumption is it's so early that there can't be any friction with a destiny at Michigan.

I wouldn't think so.

I you know he passed on his alma mater or at least you know made a very intentional decision to be the head coach at Michigan.

Pick Michigan over Louisville.

They clearly have got that thing set up now for success.

The Michigan brand matters to him because it's a real national brand that that resonates outside of men's basketball.

So never say never but I would be surprised if destiny were doing anything other than coaching Michigan for the foreseeable future.

You got any names that you would be telling Travis go off he needs to look at.

I mean if the Kansas job were to open I would I mean I'd start right at the top.

I mean I I would I'd call Billy Donovan I'd start there.

You know there's reports literally today that he is possibly on the way out in Chicago.

I know that Billy did not like the way recruiting had turned but now getting players is not really any different than getting players at the NBA level.

Except you can have whatever salary kept you want in theory if you've got an administration willing to give it to you.

So if I'm Billy Donovan and I'm about to be out of the NBA in the college sport has changed so dramatically that I can take a job.

And if an athletic director just tells me you're going to have the best resources in the country to win more national championships like you did at Florida.

If I'm Billy I gotta listen to that whether I think I want a year off or not.

I might really start right there but you know yes I would pick up the phone and see if Tommy Lloyd wants to coach at Kansas in the big 12 instead of Arizona in the big 12.

P.J. Opelberger he's got strong connections to Iowa State.

I don't think he's looking to leave there but I would ask him again Kansas is a top shelf job.

The type of job where you can ask people if they want to leave a place they love because your job might be so good even if they don't think they want to do it they can't pass on it.

Alright we've got literally a minute for our final four so we'll move quickly.

Tell me right now who is at their current job the longest bill self Dennis Gates or Cory Alexander.

Oh that's tough I'll say oh man.

I will.

I'll think Cory Alexander just because he's starting fresh.

Yeah okay tell me what picked us there in Peterson go or Kate Casey Alexander rather.

I'm sorry.

Yeah no the old Virginia guard I'm talking about.

Yeah that's it.

Yes thank you Casey Alexander.

What pick is Darren Peterson now?

What do you think?

Two I think it goes two because somebody is scared to pass on the bond so when you've got a young man who is publicly acknowledging in his one season of college basketball that he both had body and mental problems.

That's not that's not what you want to hear.

What team is the biggest surprise for you right now?

I think Iowa just because they got one real player and it just speaks to Ben McCollum being amazing like this is one of the great basketball difference makers on a sideline at any level of the sport he proved it for 15 years at D2.

Now he's doing it in the big two finally who wins it all.

I still got Houston I had him on selection Sunday now it's opened up for them.

They are the favorite to get out of the South they are playing at the Toyota Center the one seed Florida has gotten out of their way.

I could write it put me Kelvin Samson Houston in the national title game.

A manual sharp hitting a buzzer beat or one year after he couldn't get a shot off at the buzzer that would that would be the movie.

I would mind seeing it.

I like it.

I would mind seeing it either.

We always love talking to you Gary.

We appreciate it.

We'll do it again next week.

You're the best buddy.

I'll see you.

Bye bye.

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Gonzaga and soon Houston.

Oh, the Cougs seven straight for the Cougs in there.

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Leave it this Mike Tomlin.

Mike Tomlin has hired sports media agents as he prepares a move into media.

This according to in rap report, I believe Fox CBS NBC streamers among others could all be potential landing spots.

Well, Mike Tomlin be a good broadcaster.

If he's willing to be candid, I think you will.

He's easily my favorite coach of all time to listen to and press conferences.

You can get an agent expound.

He's in depth.

He's entertaining.

He's cool looking.

Maybe he just wants to earn a couple of bucks while he recharges the batteries for a year or two.

Maybe he wants to make his permacure.

I agree.

If he is candid, he's such a thoughtful guy that I think he'll be great.

But if he's just killing time looking to get back in the game as a head coach,

let me softball city.

You'll be able to tell.

That's never good.

No.

Never good.

I'm going to give it a shot and see what happens.

And we'll evaluate after a year.

I think he's got.

If he wants it, I think it'll be really, really good.

We'll see you tomorrow.