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Okay, get your dialing figures ready.

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We're going to talk about the rupture everybody's interested in this topic.

You know, we woke up this morning exactly as we told we would see eventually in

the latter days.

And I'm sure we're there.

We were going to see wars and rumors of war.

So it's all around us.

And when that happens, you know, what happens to us personally?

We're watching intense situations percolating all over the globe.

But stuff like this makes us stop and say, what about me?

What about my mortality?

How is it going to end for me?

And wars remind us that there will be an end just as there was a beginning there

will be an end and the rapture, by the way, we are all set.

Ta-da, no more prophecies to be filled, no more pre-announcements, no church

bulletins, boom, it's going to happen in the twinkling of an eye.

No man knows the hour of the day, not even the sun, only the father.

And when it comes, well, are you going to be ready?

I hope so.

So I want to take your questions because you know, it's interesting.

This feeds into conversations about the Middle East and Israel and

dispens, oh, that word, that D word dispensationalism is that a blue, bad,

terrible ugly thing.

Or is it really just a systematic way to discuss timelines in the history of

human beings?

Well, you decide you make the questions because Todd Hampson's going to answer

them. I want to give you the number first, eight, seven, seven, five, four,

eight, three, six, seven, five questions only topic the rapture.

You can ask anything you want about end times because Todd could answer it,

but we'll just use the launching pad of the rapture to start this.

But eight, seven, seven, five, four, eight, three, six, seven, five.

I'm so glad Todd is back again.

He got his masters in Dallas Theological Seminary.

So I already love when we're starting this conversation.

He's a speaker, an illustrator, an animation producer and the author of

the non-profits.

I love that title guide.

And that's not Piero FIT.

It's Piero P H E T non-profits guide book series.

I have them all and they're absolutely fabulous.

He is also co-host of the Prophecy Pro podcast,

prose podcast.

That's two because he does it alongside with Jeff Kinley.

Todd's an award-winning animation company.

He's got, it's called Tim Bucktoons.

Isn't that clever?

He's produced content for many well-known ministry organizations and the latest

book that he's written is called Just This, the non-profits guide to the

rapture.

But I also have another one and I just, I just can't take it off my desk

because I love it so much.

It is an illustrated guide and it's bigger and it's called a visual

guide to the end times, a complete survey of the chronology and events of

the last time.

And if you look at the book of Revelation or Ezekiel 38 and 39 and you talk

about Daniel and your eyes start to glaze over, you know what Todd has done

along with his buddy, Jeff, too, is they've made this really easy.

And I'm going to date myself, raise your hand if you were a kid in

Sunday school that had flannel boards.

Oh, yeah.

Whoo, hands all over the country.

Right.

Well, just picture these as sort of the modern day flannel boards.

They teach us in such a wonderful way that if you don't get the chronology,

the events, the timeline, all of that, Todd does such a wonderful job of

really opening your eyes, but it's more than that.

It's more just, it's more than making it easy for you to read this stuff.

It's for you to not read it alone, but to absorb it, understand it.

And with joyous anticipation, looking forward to our redemption who draws

nigh.

Can I say in any other way than that?

So again, we're going to take your calls this hour at 877-548-3675.

Questions only for Todd Hampson.

And this is going to be a fabulous conversation.

So Todd, the warmest of welcomes, I've already got people online.

And I was thinking, oh, I could be great.

I could not take any calls at all this hour, but I won't promise I won't be selfish.

But let me just ask one question, just kind of a launching pad question.

As you study and you talk and you podcast on this, what do you think the biggest

misconception is among believers, not the lost, those who don't yet know the

Lord is their savior, but among believers, what do you think is the biggest

misunderstanding about the rapture?

That's a great question.

First of all, it's great to join you again, Janet.

I've really been looking forward to this.

And it's always a pleasure.

And it's just, it always look forward to what a great time.

And yeah, I think the biggest misconception with the rapture, believe it or not,

right now is, is it even biblical?

A lot of people see it as a, a fad, you know, like a passing fad that was popular

in the 90s, but it's really not in scripture.

So that's really an uphill battle because it's been sensationalized and some

other reasons.

But also, a lot of believers have stopped looking into the scriptures and

taking in at face value.

So they hear some prominent voices saying the scriptures, not the scriptures

don't support a rapture generally or specifically don't, don't support a

pre-trip rapture.

So those are kind of two things that used to be kind of standard fare for most

evangelicals, but it's kind of fallen out of favor.

So trying to reclaim that a bit.

Well, gee, makes you wonder if that falls out of favor.

What's next, right?

Yeah, exactly.

It's our blessed hope.

It's what we're supposed to be looking forward to.

Absolutely.

And I'm not sure I want to take a pick and choose approach.

You know, this isn't like a country buffet restaurant where you say, I

like this part of the scriptures, but I'm not going to take that part of the

scripture.

Every single word was written for our edification under the inspiration of

the Holy Spirit.

So it really requires, I say this so much, I'm growing older in my relationship

with the Lord.

We really need a higher view of God and a deeper view of scripture.

And I think because we've got so many choices out there as a consumer, we

can't, we take a consumer's perspective on the scriptures.

I'll take this.

I'll reject that this part.

I like this part.

I don't like.

And boy, you do that.

You're getting the trouble.

Okay, I won't be selfish.

I promise lines are already lining up.

So a seven, seven, five, four, eight, three, six, seven, five, Nancy,

we're going to start with you in Florida.

Thanks so much for being here and your question for time.

Yes, so where in the Bible does it confirm that there is a rapture?

Yes.

So that's a great, great question, Nancy.

And that's where I point people first, because I think that's the key

thing to know, or what are the key passages of the rapture?

So people, if they're, if they're not driving, they might want to write these

down. But a first Thessalonians chapter four,

verses 13 through 18 gives us a clear, slow play by play condition of the

rapture or description of the rapture.

And two other key passages are first Corinthians 15, 51 through 53,

but the broader context is all about the, the resurrection.

The resurrection is the rapture in the church age.

And then also two more, I would point people to is John 14, one through three.

This is where Jesus was in the upper room discourse, giving his disciples kind

of the, the last marching orders before he went to the cross.

And then last but not least, if, if, if there's one, one verse you want to

look at, that's kind of a proof text for pre-trip rapture, I like to point

people to revelation three, ten.

And it says we'll be removed from the hour of trial.

That's coming on the earth.

Wow, Nancy, what a great question to start this conversation with.

So thank you very much.

Okay, you hear the music.

I have to take a break, but it doesn't mean you can't keep calling in eight, seven,

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guide book series, they are fabulous.

By the way, and as latest in that series is called the non-profit guide to the

rapture Bible prophecy for everyone and that prophecy word is so important

to our conversation today.

We're taking your calls at eight, seven, seven, five, four, eight, three, six, seven,

five, that's eight, seven, seven, five, four, eight, three, six, seven, five.

We're going to New Hampshire.

That's where Barbara is.

Barbara, thanks for stopping by.

We'll take your question, please.

Hi.

I'm there with the Lord.

I've been a Christian for over 40 years and I've studied my Bible quite a bit.

And I used to be, I used to be on board with a pre-trip rapture,

but up till just a few years ago,

doing some pretty deep study and listening to some really good scholars.

One of them would be osteosporal among others, not just him.

And just like I said, study in the scriptures.

I've actually fallen away from a pre-trip rapture.

I do believe that there will be, you know, that he is going to protect us from the wrath to come.

But I still, I still believe I believe we are going to go through the tribulation with some kind of protection.

Others will be killed by the antichrist, but I really think we are going to go through it.

So I just, I don't know what else is there that I'm kind of missing.

It displayed me to come back to a pre-trip rapture.

Well, Barbara, you have to go pick up my book and read it from cover to cover.

I think it'll, it'll convince you, but, but no, I appreciate that.

And, and as always, we know there are different approaches to scripture and there's different views.

Fortunately, and unfortunately, there really can only be one correct view, though.

So that's our aim as theologians at any level is to see what truth says.

R.C. Sproul, great, great theologian.

I agree with him on a lot of stuff, but I disagree with his predatorism,

which basically says that everything that the Bible says is for the future actually happened in 70 AD.

But by the way, R.C. Sproul and John MacArthur were great friends,

even though they were on different pages in terms of eschatology.

R.C. Sproul was a predatorist, as I mentioned, and MacArthur was a pre-trip,

dispensationalist, pre-millennial whole nine yards.

But to answer your question, I think I would encourage you to go read those passages.

If you do have my book, I'm not even trying to be funny.

You are the person I wrote the book for because it really is a systematic overview

that does not overlook anything that shows all the different views

and the strengths of the pre-trip view.

And, as a matter of fact, I have a chapter with kind of my top 10 reasons for a pre-trip.

And it is a big, we're diving into the deep end of the pool.

There's a lot of pieces to put together.

There is a lot of things to consider, but I would encourage you

don't take any man's word for it, but really put the work in if you really want to figure it out

and synthesize all these passages for yourself.

And this book is a tool to do just that.

It has everything you need to really consider all different things.

But I think if you take the plain-sense language approach,

which is the same way we interpret all fulfilled prophecy,

then all future prophecy will also be fulfilled literally as foretold in scripture.

And you simply can't read First Thessalonians 4 or John 14

and say that there's not a rapture.

It is in scripture, and that's what we have to wrestle with.

As believers.

And Barbara and Todd, maybe this is a good point for us to inject.

You know, there are dear friend Dr. Norman Geissler would always encourage us to be careful

to not major in the minors.

And this is this idea of where you fall on the eschatological timeline.

Pre, mid, post, ah, whatever you are.

That's not a reason to disfellowship.

If anything, it's a reason for us to come and reason together and do deep dives

into the word of God.

It's all going to happen, and all of those discussions are going to disappear at the end

because it's going to happen exactly as the Lord has told us it's going to happen.

We can just have interesting discussions before it happens about how it's going to happen.

That's right.

Amen.

And in full disclosure, Barbara, I'm on the exact same page as Todd.

I believe exactly as he does.

And for any listeners who are questioning this, and I'm not apologetic about my position.

And I'm not being haughty or arrogant.

I'm just saying that's what I believe.

And, you know, we are open for discussion here.

So I'm glad that you call it.

Barbara, thank you so much for being with us.

877-548-3675.

And let me go right back to the phones.

And Dave, I'm going to ask you to join us from Tennessee.

Thanks for being here.

Hey there.

Thanks for taking my call.

I'll do the pre-chirid viewpoint and the search scripture and study it and the Lord

let me know where I stand on that.

But recently I was in having a discussion with a friend and I kind of like to

the question of what doctrinal teachings and interpretations existed before the Scofield

reference Bible and John Darby viewpoint on it and how that popularized the viewpoint.

If you could help me understand that a little bit better, that'd be awesome.

Yeah, absolutely.

That's a great question.

And that's another question I answer in the book is, did John

Darby invent the rapture?

Because that's the argument that you hear quite a bit.

And the answer is no.

He systematized that he put it together.

But I actually, in the book, I go through church history.

And when you look at early church history going all the way back to the first century,

you see what is known as ancient pre-trib.

Meaning they didn't have all the charts and everything that we do now.

That actually didn't come into play at all until the enlightenment period when we had

universities and degrees and all that kind of stuff.

But early in church history, we have many, many statements from people who were closer to

the first century that had a pre-trib view.

For example, Polycarp was a direct disciple of John in the first century.

And Polycarp, Discipled Ironius, and Ironius had a clear pre-trib view.

He actually, there's a statement in his against Heresies where he said,

and therefore then, in the end, the church shall be suddenly caught up from this.

And their shall be tribulation, such has not been since beginning or near their shall be.

So it's not a new idea.

We can trace it all through church history.

But there's a reason it's been more formalized in these past couple centuries.

Thank you so much for the question.

It's very important about what we're talking about today.

So thank you for that, Dave.

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Lots of great questions online.

And we welcome yours as well.

Todd Hapsen is with us.

Hapsen is with us.

And his latest book in the non-profits guide series is on the rapture.

It's wonderful.

It's illustrative.

And that's a double-on-chondra, because not only are the great cartoons in there,

part of his Timbuktunes world,

but it's also open your eyes to exactly what the Bible has to say.

More of your questions right after this.

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is the rapture.

One, I promise not to be selfish, because every line is lit right now, Todd.

But just a quick thought.

I absolutely love the story of Philip and the Ethiopian Unic.

It's one of my favorites.

And when you get into Acts 8 and you read in verse 39,

when the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away,

that word is harpatzo, same word as in first Thessalonians.

And then we also read about Jesus after 40 days,

after the crucifixion and the resurrection,

ascends into heaven.

The Bible is filled with types and archetypes and foreshadowings

and foretellings, prophecy.

But you wonder if those events where we read about what happened

to Philip, where we read about Jesus' ascension,

is a way of sort of nudging people to believe it's plausible,

it's probable, and here's evidence to that end.

Yes, I believe so.

And also, scripture was written with a very unique language,

the Greek language.

And the word for rapture is harpatzo.

And like you said, both of those cases are referred to as harpatzo.

Even Jesus' ascension in Revelation 12,

as mentioned as a harpatzo, sounds like an Italian dish,

but it's actually a Greek word.

But it's used 14 times in the New Testament.

And it always means a sudden seizure

or a carrying off by forced or snatching away,

physically removed from.

So it's very clear word.

And like you said, we have case studies in the old and New Testament

of raptures to show us what to give us some kind of insight

on some detail of what the rapture will be like.

Thank you for your thoughts on that.

Okay, Jamie, joining us from Indiana.

Thanks for being here.

Your question, please.

Yes, Janet.

Thank you for taking my call.

And thank you for your ministry.

I truly appreciate it.

Todd, I have one question for you.

Will the mark of the beast happen before or after the rapture?

That's a great question, JD.

And from my take on scripture, when we look at it chronologically,

and the book of Revelation is actually written chronologically.

So that helps us a lot.

I believe the mark will be instituted at the midpoint

of the future seven-year tribulation period.

So I don't think we'll see that or we'll have to worry about that at all.

We may see some stage setting things for it,

but I think it's something we don't really need to be concerned of,

unless we're here after the rapture.

And if you know Jesus, you won't be in my opinion.

So if you don't know Jesus, accept him today.

But that's a great question, JD.

Amen, amen.

I'm that same note.

Michelle, thank you for joining us.

Your question, please.

Well, kind of long that line, I guess,

for those who are still here,

if they don't take the mark of the beast,

would they still get a chance to go to heaven?

Yeah, now this is a great, that's a great question, Michelle,

because a lot of people assume, oh, if you missed the rapture,

you can't be right with the Lord at all.

But actually, what we find in Revelation 6 and 7

is that the biggest revival in history

will be after the rapture.

Now, those believers will suffer greatly.

They'll live in the hardest time that the history of Earth has ever known.

But God's grace is still available,

even as His wrath is falling on Earth.

And so we see that there's two witnesses.

There's 144,000 Jewish witnesses who will tell people about the gospel.

And there's even a gospel angel that we read about in the book of Revelation

that will fly around and preach the gospel

before the period or the point where they have to make a choice

between taking the mark.

And by the way, when people take the mark, it won't be an accident.

They're actually siding with the Antichrist,

and they're choosing sides.

So it's not like something they'll accidentally do.

But God gives every opportunity for grace up until they take the mark of the beast.

Yeah, thank you, Michelle.

I appreciate the question very much.

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Richard in North Carolina, thanks for stopping by.

I'd love your question, please.

Yeah, hey guys, I appreciate the way you're carrying on the conversation.

Question from you mentioned that passage in 1 Corinthians 15, 51 to 53, I believe.

In that passage, Paul the Apostle plainly says

at the last trumpet, which would be the last one of the seven.

So I don't know how you can agree that that's talking about the rapture.

And Paul saying it's the last trumpet, which would be the seventh one.

How can that be reconciled with a precured position?

Yeah, that's a great question.

And the careful thing we have to do there is look at the context.

I believe Paul saying it's, if you look at what a trumpet was,

it was a call to something.

And he's saying, in my opinion, that's the last trumpet call,

the last call, so to speak, for the church period.

Because we read later in scripture that there are other trumpets

in the Millennial Kingdom, there will be trumpets.

In the future, eternal state, there will be trumpets.

So it's not literally the last trumpet.

And also, if you look at the context carefully,

there's no connection to it as the last trumpet judgment.

It's the last trumpet of the church age, so to speak.

So that's a short answer to your question.

But I totally see why that could cause some confusion

and why some people conclude that the midpoint of the tribulation period

is equated with the judgments of the trumpets

are equated with the rapture.

So I totally see why that could be misunderstood at times.

Richard, thanks for being a part of this.

I appreciate it. 877-548-3675.

Rosie and Iowa, thank you for being here.

Your question, please.

Yes, thank you for taking my call, Janet.

I have learned so much from you.

And you have deepened my faith.

Thank you, thank you.

So my question, I've had this question for a long time.

Todd, I know that when Jesus came the first time that was his incarnation.

And I know that at the end time, he'll come for his second return

at the end of time.

But with the pre-mail and the rapture theory,

doesn't Jesus need to come an additional time

for a thousand-year reign?

And I would love for you to explain, is it two times

or is it three returns?

Rosie, I'm going to put you on hold.

Don't go away, please.

That is an excellent question.

You can hear the music playing and it's going to take more than the 15 seconds I

have left for Todd to answer.

So stay right there.

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Anything about the end times?

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And Rosie from Iowa has asked a wonderful little question

about the first second.

And is there a third return of Jesus?

So take it away, Todd.

This is a great question.

It really is.

Rosie's a theologian.

You got a lot of smart callers these days.

And that's a great question.

And first, let me just say,

it is a complex issue.

I'll make this real short.

Then I'll answer the question.

You know, the doctrine of salvation,

John 316, a child can understand that.

But when it comes to broader theological themes,

like the Trinity or Soteriology,

or any big allergy, including eschatology,

it does take a lot of work to put the pieces together.

So I don't at all want to paint the picture like,

I have one easy package,

passage, and I have all the answers.

It really does take some work.

So I'll admit that.

But to answer Rosie's great question,

I think it's important to realize a couple things.

One, the first coming kind of had two parts.

If you think about it, there's a lot of big deal made

of the birth, the incarnation.

And then you kind of have a gap

other than one little vignette of Jesus

as a 13 year old at the temple,

or 12 year old at the temple.

And then you go all the way to when he was about 30

and started his ministry in the death,

burial, and resurrection.

So he came once, but there's kind of two focuses there.

And I think that gives us a little bit of precedent.

But the biggest difference that I think we can point to

is that in that key rapture passage,

in first Thessalonians, it says very clearly,

that we who are still alive will be caught up together

to meet the Lord in the air.

And we will ever be with him.

And this mirrors the language of John 14,

where he says, I'm coming to get you

to take you to the Father's house.

And then a couple of that, or contrast that

with Zechariah 14.4, where it says,

at the return, his feet will touch down on the mount of olives.

So I think that is the actual return.

The rapture is the end of the church age, so to speak.

And the rapture was a mystery

until Paul was given that mystery

and revealed it in his letter.

So it is a confusing topic.

And there's a lot of moving parts, I'll admit that.

But that's the best way I can answer that.

And then after his return is when there's a 75 day

gap period or preparatory period for the kingdom,

we read about that in the book of Daniel.

And then I believe we go into the kingdom for a thousand years.

So again, a lot of moving parts, but great question, Rosie.

Thank you, Rosie.

Get us thinking.

I appreciate it.

Cynthia, I'm going to welcome you from Florida.

Thank you for your patience and your question, please.

Cynthia, are you there?

Yes.

Thank you.

We'd love your question, please.

Oh, thank you.

I would just like Todd's take on the verse that says,

pray that you may be counted worthy to escape tribulation.

Does that mean that maybe God hasn't decided yet

when the rapture will take place?

Does it depend on our prayers?

Well, I think the Lord does know the day and the hour,

even though we don't.

And even though when Jesus was here, he said,

he didn't even know the day or the hour.

But I think there's a certain context there.

And I'd have to look at that.

I think that might be the, if it's someone I'm thinking of,

it might be the context of they're looking at,

it was for the seven, the letters to the seven churches.

And if so, I think it's, he's just praying

and hinting at the fact that you will be out of here

before the rapture takes place.

But I'd have to know that exact passage

because there's a couple similar ones

and there's a little bit different contexts for both.

But one that you could bounce that with

is the one I mentioned at the top of the show,

Revelation 310 makes it really clear

that we will be removed, that the church will be removed

from the earth before the hour of trial

comes on the whole world.

Thank you, Cynthia.

I'm so glad you were part of this.

Let me turn to you, Ronald and Florida.

Thanks for being here.

Your question, please.

Yes.

I know that people constantly talk about

first Thessalonians in the order of the rapture.

However, almost no one seems to go into

second Thessalonians in chapter two, verses one,

where it says that we be seated you brethren

by the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ

and our gathering together under him, the rapture.

Verse three, does these things will not happen

until it comes a great falling away

and the man of sin is revealed.

And if we go to Daniel chapter nine,

we find, I think in verse 27 that the man of sin

will be revealed in the midst of Daniel 70th week.

That's three and a half years or 42 months

into the Daniels are, pardon me, the 70th week.

So the pre-trip position cannot possibly be right

if your hermeneutic includes just taking things

at face value and what do you say to that?

Yeah, that's a great question.

And I love learning from other believers

and hearing the perspective

because it helps us all to get sharper.

So thank you for sharing that.

I would say that passage in second Thess,

like the context of second Thessalonians is,

Paul had the right to have a letter

because there was so much persecution going on,

they thought they were currently in the day of the Lord

or the seven year tribulation period.

So Paul was writing them and he basically was saying,

remember what I taught you.

And then he said, as for the timing of the rapture,

but he's talking about, he's talking,

he's setting the context for the day of the Lord.

He said that day, the day of the Lord will not come.

So he's not equating the two,

but he's saying the day of the Lord will not come.

That seven year period will not start

until the restrainer is removed.

And I believe that's the depiction of the rapture

and that passage is the removal of the restrainer.

And he says, and then the Antichrist will be revealed.

And regarding the day and all nine passage,

I believe day and all nine 27 is all the 70th week

starts with the ruler who will come

to make a seven year covenant.

So the moment he signed the ink drives

on that seven year covenant,

that actually officially starts the seven year

tribulation period.

So that's how I would address those two

from my perspective, but love your question.

Gayle and Florida, thank you for being here.

Your question, please.

Yes, thank you for taking my call

on the first time caller to any show, actually.

Thank you.

In my 82 years, I've held all the different positions.

I want to know, I want to know if mid-trip is possible

and the only reason I ask that

is because I feel that I'm leaning towards that

because I feel that the first three and a half years,

we will go through the wrath of man.

But the last three and a half years

will be the wrath of God.

And I don't believe anyone can withstand that.

So that's my question.

That's a great question.

And I appreciate the fact that you've been digging in

and trying to figure it out.

So yeah, I would say the idea that God's wrath

doesn't start until further in the judgments.

I would say, I remind people that Jesus himself,

the lamb is the one who's opening the seal.

So I believe from the very first seal judgment,

it's called a seal judgment.

I believe those are all the judgments.

Now, when you look at those particular judgments,

they are kind of like a Romans one judgment

where God has just taken his hands off the wheel

and saying, okay, let mankind do what he's gonna do.

But that is actually God's judgment.

You see in the Old Testament,

God often used foreign nations to judge Israel

or Judah.

So it wasn't always hellfire and brimstone and plagues

and all that.

Sometimes he would just take his hands off the wheel

and let nations do what they're gonna do.

But it's still known as God's judgment.

So I would say from seal judgment one,

all the way to the final 21, 21st judgment,

those are all the wrath of God.

There's just different levels of intensity.

And another couple thoughts, Gail,

I think it's important to know anywhere

where the Lord's return is mentioned in the New Testament

and I have a list in the book.

It's always spoken of as if it could happen

at any moment with no preconceived notions,

no signs, nothing, it could just come out of the blue.

That can't happen if we're looking for

the first seven judgments or even the first judgment

or the Antichrist to come on the scene.

All of those things are technically signs

that would let us know the rapture is then coming.

But the pre-trib position is the only one

that holds to the doctrine of eminency

that aligns with scripture that the Lord could literally come

at any moment and we have to always be ready.

Even Paul said, we who are alive will be caught up.

So he even thought he was gonna be in the rapture

in the first century.

So that was the attitude he had as well.

But I give my top 10 reasons in the book.

I think Gail, you'd be blessed by those.

Dr. Walbert has 50 reasons,

but I know people have other reasons

to not hold my position, so I understand that as well.

Thank you, Gail, so much.

I appreciate you being here.

Manuel, in Indiana, thanks for being here.

Your question, please.

Yeah, I have one very simple question.

How do you reconcile, supposedly,

having two first revirections?

That's only in four, 16.

At the end of it says,

and the dead increase will rise first

and the last line of text in Revelation 25 that

and the dead will rise first.

How can you have two first revirections?

So I believe the scripture teaches

there's two types of resurrections.

There's a believer's resurrection

and there's an unbelievers' resurrection.

Matter of fact, the first place in scripture

that a resurrection is mentioned is in the book of Daniel.

And I believe that takes place.

I think what happens is the church is removed

via the rapture slash resurrection for the church age.

Again, the church was a mystery in the Old Testament

until it was given to Paul.

We see hints of it in the Old Testament,

even in Daniel 9, there's a gap

between the destruction of one sanctuary

and the stopping of the sacrifices in another.

So there's a mysterious gap there.

We now know as the church age.

I believe what ends the church age

is the church resurrection.

At the end of the tribulation period,

I believe is the Old Testament saints' resurrection

so they can enter the kingdom and fulfill those prophecies.

Then there's a second type of resurrection,

the unbelievers' resurrection

at the Great White Throne Judgment.

We read about in Revelation 20.

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Dan, I'm going to welcome you in Indiana.

And I bet you're going to ask a question that Todd gets asked

about a million times and I'm so glad you're going to ask it.

So go ahead.

Well, I'm just curious, specifically,

or geographically, the Bible was written

on the other side of the world.

Is America or North America is there anything alluded

to the fact that it's going to be around in Revelation?

That's a great question.

Actually, Jeff Kinley, my good friend,

has a book called The End of America, Question Mark.

And he kind of addresses all the passages

that people try to say are in Scripture about America

and what it could be.

But so that's a good holistic approach.

But no, I would say there's nowhere

that overtly discusses it.

I think, you know, Biblically Jerusalem

is the center of the world, Israel's the center of the world.

The closest thing we have, I think, in Ezekiel 38,

it talks about the merchants of Tarshish.

Tarshish was Spain.

And I think the way it's written and the way it's presented there,

I think that could mean kind of all of the Western nations,

Western Europe and even possibly America, the Americas.

But there's nowhere that directly speaks of America

because America wasn't in existence back then.

So I think that's the key thing.

Except for possibly the end of the tribulation period

when it says all nations will be gathered in Armageddon

to fight against the Messiah.

So that may be the only place where America

is included.

But certain passages, like there's a passage that says,

Israel will be protected like Eagles, Wings,

and people say, well, it's an eagle, so it's America.

No, eagles are always seen as God's protection.

So you have to interpret scripture

with scripture, not modern day geography.

And things would be a whole lot different

if we'd gone with Ben Franklin's suggestion

that the turkey be the national bird

as opposed to the eagle, like a digress.

Great question, though.

Let me turn to Jim Jim.

Thank you for being with us.

Your question, please.

No, eagles are always seen as God.

Hi, Jim, catch a radio there.

There you go.

Thanks for turning it down.

We'd love your question.

Hi.

I was just wondering, is faith needed

to make the rapture because some churches teach post-trib

and mid-trib, but for pre-trib is faith actually needed

or just if you believe in Christ, you'll make it anyway.

That's a great question.

And actually, that question is the collision

of eschatology and soteriology because it has to do

with how you view your salvation.

If we truly believe that none of us

are good enough to get to God,

and that's the whole reason why Jesus died on the cross.

And Paul even says, we will all be changed,

meaning all believers, there's no super Christians,

there's no super spiritual Christians.

If you are in Christ, you will be taken in the rapture.

And that's one thing I hear some people,

some people have told me the reason the church has to go

through some or all of the tribulation

is to purify the church.

And my response to that is,

well, we can't get any more pure than we already are in Christ.

When he died on the cross, he said, it is finished to stelestye.

So he covered it all.

We're completely covered in Christ.

God sees us as righteous.

All believers will go.

Now, I do believe there's a beam of seat.

So there's a rewards question about how we live our life

or the Lord, but in terms of us being righteous before God,

all believers will go in the rapture.

If I can piggyback on your very excellent question, Jim,

it's another reason why these conversations

are so tremendously important,

because Jesus could return before sunset tonight

or he might not come back for a thousand years.

But the point is, it's going to end for every single one of us,

which raises the question, where will I go when I die?

You don't want to wait until the rapture

to make sure you've got enough faith.

You want to be ready right this minute.

How am I right?

Amen.

Absolutely.

And that's the beauty.

If you are in Christ, if you have accepted him, you are saved.

You can't lose it.

You're locked in.

He has adopted you.

He sees you as righteous, and you will be taken in the rapture.

But yeah, don't wait until you see some signs.

If you are feeling the Lord and you're wondering if you need to accept him,

you do need to accept him.

Please accept him today.

Yes.

Most important question you'll ever be asked.

Who is this, Jesus?

Let me go on with the phones if I can.

Jennifer, you're an Iowa.

Thanks for being here.

Your question, please.

Yes.

Thank you for taking my call.

So does the Holy Spirit leave with the church?

And if so, then how will people get saved after the rapture?

That's a great question, Jennifer.

And just to backfill that a little bit, second test, too.

She's probably referring to that where the Holy Spirit in Dwelled Church is removed.

But of course, the Holy Spirit is the third person with the Godhead.

He's omniscient.

He's omnipresent.

He can't be removed from anywhere.

But the unique indwelling of the church age that we experience, that will be removed.

And we're called the salt and light.

So we're actually holding back the tide of evil.

And that's part of why it can't collapse in yet.

And the Antichrist can't be revealed.

But once the Holy Spirit in Dwelled Church is removed, then all evil will be able to

kind of crash in.

But no, the Holy Spirit will still be here and will still be active after that.

But for at least a momentary time, there will be no salt and light, no presence of the

Lord restraining evil.

Wow, wow.

That's something to think about.

I'm going to squeeze one more in, Mark, you're in Alabama.

Thanks for being here.

Your question, please.

He had an invitation from St. Petersburg about what will happen to children at the rapture.

There's a good question.

What happens to children, Todd?

Yes, great question.

And I'll give you the quick short answer.

There's no specific verse that says it.

But I believe there's a lot of indicators we could look at in the old and New Testament

that God loves children, that those who are innocent and have not sinned will be taken

in the rapture as well.

You know, Jesus said, let the children come to me.

Such is of the kingdom of heaven.

And there's other evidence as well.

So, and I think that aligns with God's heart.

But there's no specific verse that tells us really clearly exactly what happens there.

Thank you so much for all of your questions.

My deepest regrets for those of you who have not gotten on the air, Todd, that's a reminder

to me.

I can't wait for the next time we're going to get together.

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