Healing After Childhood Trauma: Healthy living through adversity pt 7

0:00Willow Creek Springs presents Healthy Living with your host Joe Grumbine Well, hello, and welcome to the Healthy Living podcast. I'm your host Joe Grumbine and today We're gonna be diving into another episode of Healthy Living Through adversity I've got one with me and we're gonna jump right on into it one. Welcome to the show. How are you doing today? I am doing great Joe. Always a pleasure to be on your show, especially in this situation and You know spreading this information out and being a part of the solution. So there's this no greater experience for me at this time. Well, you know, it's wild. We I believe this is our seventh episode we've done and We covered a lot of ground and I've learned a lot actually Through this and we've actually brought in I

1:02Don't know. I think I've at least scheduled half a dozen new guests that came from listening to this series and It's a it's a powerful conversation, you know, we're talking about trauma and Dealing with it and you know, we've jumped into some different topics that were all centered around adversity But the central theme about this and all of these issues even You know the conversation about cancer. That's certainly a trauma. I can assure you that Yeah, and we've been really getting into you know your personal experience You've been very candid and vulnerable and sharing, you know, some of your life's experience and last episode we talked about some of the poems that you've put out That you put into into song form and and You were really getting into Going through the lyrics going through the verses and what they mean and and what's your thoughts on how we've been doing so far

2:08I am completely satisfied this call and your telephone numbers will be monitored and recorded You know from from you know, this is a subject that's very you know It hits home with me because you know one I've been on both ends of the spectrum now, you know, I was that traumatized child and now I'm on the healing end of it and so I know about all of the Confusions of depression the anxiety the isolation You know not feeling safe around people and you know just wanting to hide and be invisible You know not trusting not knowing how to have healthy relationships with people Being disconnected from everyone around me and just like not even being a connection with my own body And so it's like I was almost like it just floating, you know, and so You know understanding all of that when I started my healing journey You know, it was really you know just for myself because you know at nighttime

3:12We are the ones that have to sleep in our we I have to sleep in my own head right I have to go to sleep with this head this brain of my and If it's full of depression and by 80 and confusion and all these different things It was just making my life so much different, you know, it was so difficult And so now that I began that healing journey and did begin to to heal and find that piece It created this obligation like I have to tell someone like I have to tell people about Like there is healing out there You do you're not stuck like that You know you're like it all makes sense if you connect the dots if you can be The reasons enough to go back and look at some of those wounded places and just Be for yourself now Give yourself that tender loving care now that you should have been If you can get all that You'd begin to find that closure and that peace and that healing and so there's an obligation for me and and so

4:14It's an honor just to know that you know like we say even if one person, you know was to find something worth That made their life better. This is all the worth it. So I'm definitely satisfied with it and this we're gonna keep swinging away and You know, hopefully we'll reach more people Well Last week we or last episode I should say We were talking about secrets and Yeah, the the propensity for people That have a trauma like you're talking about, you know, that's high a high ACE score The more likely they are to to not share it, you know For various reasons and it sounds to me like now you kind of Swung that around 180 degrees and you know instead of You know living this world of secrets and lies and and and not being accountable You're doing exactly the opposite and you're you're not only sharing you know your secrets, but you're

5:19Explaining how important it is and how valuable it is for others to do the same Yeah Yeah, you know and and and one of our workbooks we it was talking about how many of us We don't want to talk about you know say all of our past is too painful to talk about and to go into And it was shedding light on the fact that hey rather you talk about your past is not it's still controlling your life Right, it is it is playing such a major role in Every decision that you're making right now. So for me Once I came to that realization like hey not talking about this is not going to solve the problem And actually it it creates the problem, you know, it makes the problem even worse And so This understanding that part I like using an example of like Imagine I look at trauma like alcohol poisoning You know and You know if you once you once you consume enough too much alcohol to the point

6:21The words now it's poisoning you Imagine someone who refused to throw up Right because of the shame or whatever right they didn't like I'm not gonna throw up Well, it's like well, if you don't throw up you're gonna keep that poison inside your body and it's gonna kill you Exactly Your body trying to protect yourself and get that poison out of it Exactly now as unpleasant as vomiting may be It is still a It's an attempt by your body to save you And so Because you have done something foolish right you consume this this this poison to the level that it was toxic and so That's how I look at trauma and and me and my previous I say my previous life or with my old brain For say I wasn't that person refusing to throw up

7:21I was that person refusing like I just you know just keeping it down keeping it all that poison inside of me and not talking about it And so it makes just as much sense to not talk about your trauma Which as we know that doesn't make sense at all right, so if you just look at that That's why Now it's kind of like I know I went on to I had once Went to a rap So they were doing this audition and I submitted one of my songs and I was talking about Some of my traumas and some of the hip hop rappers that was there and it was like why would he talk about that? Why would he say that you know And it's like it almost it's like it almost traumatized them by here So Right, but you know, it was really but it just shows like I understand what they were at too because I understand of most likely

8:21Chancellor a lot of horrific things happened to them that they have not Came to the place where they wanted to talk about Well, you know Not that long ago I did another second interview with Megan McDrew and as you know Program into the prison and It involves a lot of people. Yeah a lot of volunteers and a lot of discussion about traumatic things And just have the impact of this with you know Part of the whole healing element is to find a way to understand or or Be a part of a healthy relationship and Yeah, volunteers come in and sit down and you know, they have this sort of ritual that they do about how the program starts and and and

9:24Does the program and then completes it she says, you know some real real relationships happen and It's it's a powerful experience to Watch how people start to open up and and to let their guard down a little bit when when that sort of thing happens Yes, so as you know, I don't know if I shared with you. I believe I did But I just so I just finished one of her cycles here, you know Um, it's the 23rd with our last class. I just sat in there And let me just say man, it's like again, so I'm the I'm the recipient of everything that she's talking about. I'm one of the recipients Right and as someone in here Okay, so the most powerful thing about her program what I love is understanding first you got to understand that every one of us have been judged as bad people Right, and so with that

10:26Judgment of being bad people from the dehumanization and Not being treated like you're human and being treated less than human And that becomes our norm as we go through this legal system Okay, and so for a program like that Where we go and sit down with people who see our humanity They're not concerned with why you're this call and your telephone number will be monitored and recorded They're not concerned with how bad you were they're not concerned with any of that They're just concerned about the human being and seeing the human being that's in front of them and understanding how We have been hurt to the point to where we can hurt someone else And for most of us No one has ever taken this time to hear our story They have just All of a sudden look at it heard some things about what the legal system said we did

11:30Oh, he committed this crime and all of a sudden formulated these opinions about where we are but never As that actual connection to say hey like like Dr. Bruce Perry and Oprah Winfrey say in their book what what happened to you No one bothered to even understand to have that much empathy and compassion to say know what happened You know you're not you weren't born like this none of us was born just violet Right, you know, and we didn't choose where we were born to and things like that So to me when you look when it's to look into the eyes of her volunteers And I've had the opportunity to sit down with several of them And right before we graduated a couple of them came to me and say one I was really touched by what you shared and It just I can't even explain it and to me that was just I felt the healing in it. I just feel I felt the healing Well, remember I don't know it was last episode of the episode before I told you about the guest who was a counselor up in

12:35Indiana and he had that mosaic program where You know his whole concept of it was that we're not We don't associate ourselves just because of a single episode or incident or trauma that's happened to us like you know I'm a quote-unquote cancer survivor, but I don't identify myself as that. I don't put that as I'm a human being that happened to go through an experience that You know was part of it, but that's that's a no way who I am and unfortunately You know if you get stuck in the legal system and you get convicted of a crime That becomes your label, you know, you're a whatever You know that thing that you got convicted of and and many people I think attached themselves to that as you know Who they are at this point and I know a lot of people do that and and treat people differently like you said Dehumanize I know the the period of time I was locked up. It was all about you know dehumanizing the whole the whole

13:40You know, I was just a county jail system, but that was all about, you know, you're not a human. You're you're a prisoner. You're an inmate and It didn't matter what you did or who you were, you know, they're the whole The whole system in there was set to make everybody the same and that was less than everybody else And I can't imagine what you know, it's like in other places, but I think to have a A program where they focus on the humanity and they focus on you know the The malleability of the human spirit and that you know, we have the ability to Better ourselves to to change to you know, maybe we had a bad moment. Maybe we did a thing or Maybe we had a thing done to us, but that doesn't identify us as a human being I think he's dropped off for a second, but he'll be coming back on and Come back. Come back now. Perfect. Perfect. So yeah, I was just talking about how

14:41the A lot of times we identify ourselves or get identified because of an event or You know a series of events something that we did or something we overcame or something we didn't overcome and We ended up getting attached or attaching ourselves to that you know, sometimes a a person who did something good Even you know, I was a football player in high school. I mean, they don't ever get past that like you know They don't go on with their life. They did this one thing and that's who they are now or they went through a bad thing You know, I got in a crash. I got paralyzed or I got a disease or whatever it is and you know, they say oh, I'm this person. I'm like What You're a human that's lived this whole life and you're you're attaching yourself to this one thing like Who died? Yeah, but everybody does that. It seems

15:42Yeah, I mean, it's like We don't know how Magnificent we are assuming Exactly, you know, and so we like reduce ourselves to like this very limited Like understanding of like Who we are through what we do and so that's what like you know for me Come into the realization of like you know looking at all my experiences like a book And it all makes sense to me, you know, we look at so I mean it Almost every man that I sit in group with kind of has the same story you know, and We're talking about like eight or nine aces and it's easy for someone who hasn't walked in the shoes of Experiencing those eight or nine aces to say what we should or should not have done and what is or is not appropriate But until you actually experience

16:44Like the loss of sense itself the loss of trust the loss of safety the loss of connection to your own body the loss of how do you find yourself out of that whole when there is no manual You know, and it's kind of like it's it's it's one of those things where we just lost empathy for other people and and the ability to even sympathize with what they've been through to the point where we just You know project our own experiences Onto them Imagining that oh well, I would have somehow did something different if I would experience the exact same stuff as you And actuality may have done something way worse And so that's worth to me, you know It's not about and you know this would be clear You know This is about healing from our trauma. It's not about you know Having a pity party or you know trying to get people to feel sorry for us or anything like that. It's not about that

17:49But at the same time it's like you have to understand what you've been through In order to know it's like that awareness you have to become aware of it In order to know Or to heal it because how can you heal what you're not aware of You know and so for people like that that You know Judge people are labeled people because of these things. It's just like they haven't come to a understanding of like just how Every one of us is different. I can experience the trauma and someone else experience the trauma Yeah, they may do something different. They may do something better. They may do something worse But we're all different And so when it comes to trauma We don't need to hold the person responsible For the trauma that they experience and and not being able to manage it well enough because remember we were kids when it's happened to us And how that stuff affected our brains and things like that like we were children when these things happen So it's kind of like insensitive with someone even be on the judgmental level of saying well why did this person you know do xyd

18:57Like that we were children We were children who Yeah, we're experienced the worst stuff back in our human being can experience And you wonder why we make terrible decisions in our teams and our young adults I don't even know how that's surprising and you know the thing that nobody ever seems to get identified with is the characteristic of I picked myself back up off the floor and kept walking I I Realized that I failed and I got up and started to give I What's called and your telephone number will be monitored and recorded I made a decision to do the right thing like we don't ever get identified with that And that's the truth about the human experience is that's the one thing that We have as a gift is that every day We choose who we're going to be

19:57And we're not stuck being yesterday and but I don't ever hear anybody identifying with that You know, I think that that's the thing. Well, I definitely want to talk about Another one of your poems and you know, that's actually been published as as a song And I know you were gonna get into the lyrics of of that and why don't why don't we jump into that a little bit Absolutely, so this one is called at first childhood experiences And this is like this is the heart of like my song. This is my heart. I mean all my songs are like my children My don't love one more than the other but This one it definitely represents like when I When I first became aware of aces and so I was in the substance abuse program And this guy had given me this packet about adversality experiences Now prior to this I was actually my therapist. I was like, hey, how can I know

21:01How my you know childhood experiences had affected me How could I know if I heal Hey, you know And we're on or one of my at in that process You know, am I in the middle of my healing am I at the end? How can I you know, you measure this and so My therapist here in the prison they had no they they were not Yeah, you know, and it was so sad because you're thinking about I mean think about that the therapist in the prison was not equipped to answer that question And here I am in the princesses then who supposed to Their own their apartment title was california departments of rehabilitation The direction that rehabilitation right and so I'm like what's a therapist can't answer that question Then where am I supposed to get this question answered Yeah, and so thank god for fritzy horoscope And so I took the she came into the prison maybe about

22:02Because October of 2022 my went to her seminar and she started talking about these These aces here, which I had already seen the survey I taken the survey And I remember when I was taking a survey I was like this is One test that I did not want to score 100% on right and it was we It was rewarding to be honest with you because I finally got the answers to the questions Okay, that was looking for but it didn't again at the same time. It was painful because For the first time in my life, I was able to see all of what I went through And that was the first time and I remember like my eyes getting tear like tearing up But it was that bittersweet You know, I was a little relieved, but it was painful too at the same time And so And I do what I normally do I wrote this song To help get out some of that pain And so this song was the result of that and

23:05So I'll share first the chorus I wish I knew then about ac because eight out of ten of them applied to me No fool be worth mom got beat prisons put down. I got beat unloved and unwanted fondling Please tell someone about ac hurt people hurt people obviously We become a product of what we see And The critical thing about this one is notice I say eight out of ten so when I initially wrote this I thought I had eight And it turns out later on as I became Yeah, it turns out I had nine that went up one. Yeah, the more that I have this call and your telephone number will be monitored and recorded Okay, so that's the chorus the verse I Witness pops beat moms with a close shift Even though I was young. I would never forget

24:07I became a product of ACE Generational trauma plague with ADD the fuel and my gas tank was power and control from a early stage I was set to explode People became objects so I could harm them unaware of the psychological scars. I caused them Locked in my own head burly surviving. I fell the second grade of choosing not trying try harder one Don't let those mind drift prostituting so hard. I made my eyes squint my shift bell wrong Before I could catch it great so bad. I didn't deserve presence These and S from elementary to high school high school dropout to live by no rules And so Back to the beginning of that So in the beginning of this first verse. I wouldn't have popped beat moms with a close fifth even though I was young I would never forget I became a product of ACE

25:09Venerational trauma plague with ADD So this was the toxic stress Now this is just one example of denying aces And so this was toxic stress The the bear as we talked about in previous episodes and like our first episode The bear that comes home every night and releases and and and so my body is releasing this quarter's all right constantly Okay Now the fuel in my gas tank was power and control from a early stage. I was set to explode So what sets the stage to explosion is being alone with the hurt and again These are from our previous episodes being alone with the hurt So as a child not having someone there after I experienced this dramatic event Not having someone there to help me process it

26:11So I was there alone with the hurt I Absorbing the energy of my abusers Right We talked about that in previous episodes how you absorb the energy of your abusers Abandoning my authentic self Of the fracture self that comes forward The pushing down of emotion Becoming what others want us to be for the sake of attachment It's so this this pushing down Right, this is this is this is the this is that explosive cocktail They all these things that we're talking about and all this causes depression anxiety confusion numbness lack of emotional intelligence And the inability to describe how I feel and that's what creates the bomb Okay People became objects so I could harm them unaware of the psychological scars I caused them

27:13And as we mentioned again and then one of our first episodes from a creative disconnect within the body The mind thoughts emotions and other people And and what we the goal is to try to reconnect to ourselves And until we do that there is no safe place like no matter where we're at it just doesn't feel like a safe place Hey Locked in my own head barely surviving I fell the second grade accused of not trying try harder ones don't let your mind drift concentrating so hard I made my eyes quit my shift bell run before I could catch it Great so bad. I didn't deserve present These and ask them elementary to high school high school dropout to live by no rules and these are the symptoms of trauma So by hypervisual dissociation So the constriction in the body the prescription in the body

28:16Was the narrowing of the perception right you have 60 seconds remaining By our bodies make us focus on the threat and only the threat so it's made it's hard to learn at school Right fillings of helplessness and mobility Hypervisuals other names shame mental blankness is spaced out filling addictive behaviors inability to love nurture a bond with other individuals the minute emotional responses I had asthma depression fillings of intending doom fillings of detachment alienation and isolation Reduce ability to formulate plans And that's how all of this affected me You Hi, this is Joe grumbine and I wanted to share an update the platform that hosts this podcast has made some changes to the subscriber settings and

29:17we have a number of subscriber only episodes that we offer to the supporters and For a minimum of three dollars a month we can get you signed up and If you're already signed up in your having some kind of trouble locating these episodes in the other platforms I would say maybe the best answer is to unsubscribe and then re-subscribe. I'm sorry for the hassle I Don't have any way to make a change, but I'm very grateful for all the support. Thank you Well That's that's some powerful stuff I It's hard to comprehend you know you you put down a lifetime Full of issues into a few lines and it's it's a lot it's a lot to take on

30:17And yet at the same time you know if you just listen to it and you think about it you probably are likely to identify with some Well at least some of the elements of it, you know, we've a lot of times pieces of this puzzle Our pieces that are part of our own puzzles and you know, I think Lyrics like this can cause people to Take a stock account of maybe something that they haven't dealt with You know, I'm sure that's at least part of the intent of Publishing this and put it out there so people can hear it, you know, obviously you're expressing yourself And you're sharing your story, but at the same time My guess is that at least at least one probably many people that have heard this have Picking a minute and gone wow, you know, I identify with that whatever piece or pieces is right

31:19Yeah I I think you dropped off so well, oh you still I thought you dropped off sorry Apologize well, we'll we'll clip this little part and we'll we'll we'll see him it back together So where are we at now with with with the lyrics Okay, so That was the first verse So now I wrote the second verse and the second verse is It's from a poem and forgive me I don't I don't know the author's name I heard it in group and it's called he brought me flowers today And so this poem reminded me of the domestic violence that my that my father had put on my mother

32:21And so This this poem again when I when I am motivated is just I didn't choose to write this But I'm inspired to write it just it just slowed out and so this poem I heard this poem at the same time that I came across the aces in it So this is just how I write and how I express myself and this is my healing So the second verse says That are bottles Which contains the press emotions Build up an explosion the cycle of violence The honeymoon is when abusers bring home flowers There'll be peaceful a couple of hours Never mind the bruises crack with black eyes this time you promise me we'll never do it again What about the kids you must stay for them huh What if you get murdered in front of them then what I know you don't think that that can happen Either that the dead wife lying in the casket When is enough for enough one time is too much it escalates from there it gets worse

33:25From verbal abuse to tone search then comes the choking in the hips leaving marks with an open palm or close this The problem is he doesn't see a woman. He sees an object that is hit If you say you can go in his behavior I know you're afraid to leave and it's easy to stay or please don't think just leave I Imagine that I imagine that applies to so many people. I think that that's a piece like Some of the the elements are Of the first verse weren't super specific about you know the thing that you went through but more the effects of it this is really getting specific and and It's a thing that I think a lot of kids have gone through you know and are dealing with somehow and It's it's a it's a rough one, you know because it it's something that

34:27A lot of times kids might blame themselves For behavior of you know their parents their loved ones the the ones they're supposed to look up to and respect Or you know who knows there's all different ways it could go Yeah, I mean that's one of the most important things that you know for and I and I hope that if there is a lady or men can be experienced It's a bit part of violence as well either party whoever is being abused I hope they I hope they understand I hope they understand that You know the children are witnessing this And as much as as much as the parent may think that they're as much as the parent may think like they're trying to protect the child You know by standing this relationship or you know they have to understand that the child is equally being a victimized

35:30and more so Because of the adverse childhood experience and how that's going to affect the child and why are the children Brain in the future right And so that was kind of the most important piece is it's just for women or men whoever's being abused this don't minimize this Don't think that it's going to get better Don't minimize it, you know, it's a very serious issue. It escalates as the poem says and the stuff up in the and the actual poem The lady said her husband bought her flowers today And it was after he had beat her right And then it got to the point to where the last time he actually bought her flowers it was so funeral right Yeah, and so That's the that's the importance of this is just to Advocate for anyone who is in a do an abusive relationship

36:31Not to stay in that relationship not to expect it to get any better And do the right thing which is to leave 100% 100% I It breaks my heart every time I hear about a couple that's You know got some kind of a violent history and the stand together for the kids. It's like What does that even mean Right Yeah Yeah, that's that conflict right it's those opposing views and I mean, I would imagine if if any father You know who has a daughter that's in an abusive relationship Would not want his daughter to stay in that abusive relationship for the sake of Children, you know, and in fact If you're going to think about the welfare of the children it would say you have to leave

37:33It would have to say that you have to protect the children by getting them out of this Abuse of environment not keeping them inside of it right You know and especially when you think about how the child brain learns You know and in certain things that could you know again of gobbling Of gobbling the the the power of our abusers You know, and as they see that Defending on the age of the child they may learn that that is the way That man are supposed to treat women. Yeah, or that is the way that women are you know whoever's the abuser Right, they learn that that's the way that yeah, that's the way that you know a relationship that's supposed to work It's all they know and that's not Yeah, and that's not no, that's not how You know, and I came up with I have a river dealing with women

38:34Who if you if if if they expect it because I didn't hit them. I didn't love them Yeah, geez wow, you know, and that's Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's that was a real thing Wow, and it's like Wow, I mean can you imagine that let's call and your telephone number will be monitored and recorded Yeah, you would imagine that type of psychology and it's very real. Yeah, wow Yeah Okay, so the whole purpose of this song if I hope that the ace of song becomes the game changer For me like I said I wish I knew then About AC to me. It became it became like this cry because I was like How much Different my life would have been how do I actually have this information? And oh

39:37absolutely And too often most of our story is we don't get this type of Resources until we come to prison And the whole push Is to get this information out there into society to people like us Before they come to prison to interrupt this cycle of having to come to prison To get this information in these resources You know, and it's like well if we can send this back out there And that's part of what we're doing and what you're helping me do is give me these resources back out there You know and to people who can actually use them You know before It's too late You know, there's going to come a day where somebody's going to come to me or you or somebody who knows us And says you know I want to share with you that I made a change in my life that likely

40:37kept me from Going down that road and and somehow equating it to this song or or one of the other poems that you put out Imagine how that's going to make you feel You know, I tell you at times I struggle with my vulnerability and I shedding tears and crying If I ever hear somebody say that I guarantee you I am going to cry I try I was going to cry and be so Relieved that like yes, I got ahead of it. I got ahead, you know, it's different. Yeah for the most Yeah to know you made a difference in someone's life and You know to me, there's no greater reward. I mean, I sit in the group Throughout my throughout my week on Sunday. I have about 40 something participants On Thursday, I have about 25 participants So throughout my week, I'm at about 60 60 70 participants, right? I'm sitting groups about 70 people. Okay

41:42and Those are 70 people that I get to go through this whole cycle with And I'm just looking for him. We're on our third We're on a third third quarter right now and I just look at like Just one two three of these guys, you know, if it's making a difference Yeah, like we're going to get to somebody Well, hey somebody's life the odds are if you keep at it putting this message out you're getting You know better and better practicing your messaging, you know, that's what you're doing right now. I mean Everybody who who keeps trying to help They keep talking and they keep talking and they get better at sharing their thoughts and Each time you put it out there, you know, this this podcast is out there like a lighthouse beacon You know, once it gets published, it's it's out there forever and you just never know that one person in need That one time might stumble upon it and just happen to catch a part that that made a difference and you know

42:49You you publish your song and it's on whatever platform somebody decides. Ah, let me download that. That sounds interesting Next thing, you know You know, they catch it in their head. They're listening to it a couple of times and you know, next thing You know, they start thinking about those words and who knows, you know something some little piece of it stick so What you're doing what we're doing yeah is is is powerful and I believe you know We're having this one conversation one time, but it echoes out there for you know for virtually eternity It'll it'll be out there for People to find and hear and hopefully listen to You Yeah, you know, as I hear you talk it reminds me the law of nature And the law of nature and essentially, you know, and the bible says that all labor produces profit And just like you plan a seed in the ground. It's gonna bear fruit

43:49And what I thought about is it's like just like my actions one day my actions They harmed people sure and I would think that my those like my actions today they heal people Hey, and it's all about the effort in the direction Right, so I won't I won't be I won't be naive to think oh, I'm good enough To harm someone, but I'm not good enough to heal someone Right, I don't want to think that of myself Right on the the opposite is true. It's like well If I'm powerful enough to actually harm someone then I have to be just as powerful to help someone heal exactly And so that's kind of like where I'm at today. It's like well It's it's just the influence that we have on people and all of us have that effect On people it's how do we choose to spend our efforts? Do we spend our efforts in harming someone or do we spend our efforts in helping someone

44:57And so now this is you have 60 seconds remaining This is the direction that we're moving in This is what should define someone And I think if someone ever wants to label someone then you label them according to what they are doing today You know in the green more I think is a person I think that's a message Yeah, I mean, I think that I think that you know What's called and or telephone number will be monitored and recorded Getting people to to realize that today Is the day that defines you And and if you can realize that then you can decide Oh, well, this is what I'm going to do today then and I'm going to define myself today Yes, exactly And I would encourage all your listeners if if someone is if someone is being helped by this Please contact Joe and let them know that what he's

46:01A hundred percent I think he just dropped off. We'll clip this up and we'll go back to that thought to wrap it up But yeah, this is this is Amazing I can almost feel that it's going to happen sooner than we think I think Somebody's going to hear this and somebody's going to go wow, you know what I'm going in a direction. I I heard this thing and I heard them talk about it and I I realized something about myself and I'm going to I'm going to go work on it, you know if it I imagine that's the whole point right? Yeah, yeah, I mean I can I can picture that happening like sooner than later And somebody knows and it'd be a message or maybe they come on as a guest and say, you know, I was listening to this one show and It got me thinking and next thing you know, I decided to okay. All right. Let's let's let's rewind that Well, we'll clip this together, but let's let's go back to that central thought

47:07Oh, okay, what's that with that? It's talking about yeah, it's today you have a you have a choice to define yourself Yeah, so I was saying before hung up like if if if someone is listening to this and you're in there being helped By this podcast like please Reach out The Joe and let Joe know that what this podcast is helping you But you'll be helping us by just get you'll be giving back to us and just knowing that we are helping you in that And that sense in that regard and to that extent, you know, I think Not only Megan the Drew she she's helped me with the horseman and there's a lot of other people better Has came to my rescue and hopefully I can be that or someone out there 100% well, why this has been another riveting conversation once again, we're going to go way too long, but it's okay

48:09Uh, it's it's good We're getting so deep into this stuff that it's worth it, you know, usually I clip these things down to less than 30 minutes But we we keep rolling almost double that but it's okay. I think I think we're we're getting into things that are so important They need to be discussed in the conversation needs to come to a completion. Well, this is Really a powerful song of powerful message and like like we said, you know, if somebody feels that they've been touched by this And listen to these lyrics and and got them thinking, you know, please reach out. Let us let me know And you know, maybe come on as a guest and tell us about your experience Well, one I I'm so grateful that we're doing this we had another great one And I'm looking forward to jumping into the next one Yes, thank you very much, Joe and like I said Just so your listeners know we're getting ready to launch our our record label this year

49:09And you'll be kind enough to partner up with this and to help us out with those endeavors So I just want to let your listeners know the only lookout for some more of our music Beautiful. I'm looking forward to telling everybody about it Well, this has been another episode of the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host Joe Grumbon I want to thank all of our listeners for making the show possible and this series healthy living through adversity And we will see you next time Here you go This has been another episode of the Healthy Living Podcast We produce this show so that People can share their stories People that have overcome Obstacles people that are undergoing obstacles. We're building a community of health-minded individuals if you're interested in Supporting the show Please leave a review on the platform you're listening to it on If you're interested in becoming a guest

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