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Girl, when I saw your piece come out, I audibly gasped. I bet you know more than even you
were allowed to publish. It's just crazy. It was a great piece.
Thank you. I think it's interesting in the sense that, you know, here's this huge photographer
Antoine Verglas. You know, he's known for shooting people like Cindy Crawford and Claudia
Schiffer and Tyler Banks. And all of a sudden, Melania comes from Slovenia. A little bit late
in the game, I think, as a model, you know, twenty-three or something, twenty-six.
A little late in the game. And now she is this huge model, but like kind of like news. You
know, she's not doing like the kind of cute, tasteful girl next door Cindy Crawford stuff.
Right.
Like this woman is taking all her photos in the buff. And Antoine is the guy who shoot
most of them. I mean, and one body, I, I, Melania, good for you, girl. I support all of what
you did. You had the body for it. You posed. You did the whole thing.
Yeah.
Well, something there though. It was definitely like, you know, okay, everybody builds their business
like us a different way.
Yeah. So she's got, well, where did it start with Trump, the bond GQ art spread on Trump's
plane, where she's just, she's naked, except for the fur on the plane.
They were not together yet, right?
No, they were dating.
Trump gave the plane.
That was a big, that was the big gett was that Antoine was going to be able to shoot her
on the plane.
And that would add that allore. And he was already like, I don't want to hate using the
word grooming because like this story has so much grooming in him, but Trump was already
like kind of preparing Melania to take on a higher role as, right, they called her New
York's first lady. I mean, they literally would write that in these articles. It was
like somebody was already laying down the groundwork for her to one day be first lady,
right?
So you see that you see her and max some golf in a bathtub covered just in golf balls.
You see her on her concord shoot. This isn't a burgloss one, though, concord, just another
one.
She's naked. All you can see is a, you know, a watch, but you know, everything that Melania
does is like pretty suggestive. She was not the type of model that walked down runways
because she frankly, like, you have to be super way fish. And they tend to be like 20
year old girls. They're not full, like she's not a full figured woman in the sense of
a full figured woman, but she clearly had like breast implants or something that made
her sleep way than runway. Yeah.
Exactly. And that's why she didn't sports illustrated another thing that Antoine
burgloss shot. He shot her about 12 times. Now Antoine claims that he wasn't friend with
Epstein at the time, but he knew Paulo's on Polly, who knew Epstein at the time. And
that was how he was tipped off to Melania through Paulo, because Paulo was, was, you know,
Melania's agent at ID models. And he was friends with Epstein. And we're supposed to, you
know, it's interesting. And so it all, it all reminds you about the world that sort of
thrust Melania from being kind of this no name girl from LouBiana or wherever in
Slovenia to what is now the first lady. And I mean, sometimes when I hear her speak,
I think it's like almost programmatic, like the way that she talks. It's like she's been
preparing for this her whole life to be the first lady in a lot of ways. So do they
did a thing. I read it, I read this thing about how Donald Trump almost ran for office
in like 2008. It was like right after, you know, the apprentice was really hot. And he's
always had this like dream of being the president in terms of like what it means to be a celebrity
and like remembered forever as a president. And they did like a fake rally to see how they
had staged like they've gained out of fake rally to see how it would go with Melania
being presented as the first lady and really being cast as this idea of what the next first
lady would be. So I find it really interesting that she came here, you know, in a lot of
her work was very sexy, very playboy-ass, very max and magazine, very suggested, like
you said. And then they were trying to make this transition for her to then take on what
is usually considered a very prudish, very reserved first lady role. And I wonder, you
know, and maybe I'm just like piled by how much of the Epstein files I've read. And we
have a piece coming out on Steve Bannon and Epstein tomorrow. And the Epstein's goals
were varied. But one of them was to make sex and the taboo and this idea of like owning
women in some ways or casting them to be certain people, not taboo. So I'm like, okay,
was Melania part of the plan because it was like, we're going to have a first lady with
nudes. Like maybe that was part of it. Like this idea that the expectation for the first
lady was no longer to be this highly educated, extremely classy, very reserved American
doll type girl. And now it's like to have the vixen is what I think that Trump wanted
the vixen. And I don't know if he saw it's in the Epstein files were Epstein's emailing
something about how Trump was going on about what a great piece of, you know what Melania
is. I don't I think Trump liked that about her. He liked having a sexy. He wasn't going
to be a woman who wasn't a sexy, right? But I think he also wanted that woman to fit
into the role as first lady because even listen, I know from covering Trump since I was
a cub reporter at the New York Post starting in like 2010 that he always talked to people
about wanting to be president. And before that, he wanted to run as a Democrat like decades
earlier than that. He was meeting with people. This is not some idea that just came into
his head recently. He's always wanting to be president. So I think he thought about
that when he was looking for his girlfriend that he would come out with, obviously.
Um, there would be been a good first, first lady. I think a Von Trump would have been
a great first lady. You want to talk about somebody who knew how to run a business or
could have kept up that kind of like classy, like educated lady thing. She is brilliant.
Yes. I agree with you. Yeah. I agree. But I think I think she they had a very tumultuous
relationship. And he wanted the Melania. It's so interesting that he wanted the first
lady to not be American for how incredibly racist and xenophobic he has against all
other immigrants that his first lady, his like picture of what should represent women
in America is a Slovenian immigrant. Well, he's also now expanded visas to people from
South Africa, presumably white people because he likes way they look. And that's why he likes
people from Denmark and from the Scandinavian countries. It's like, okay, just tell us what
you really want. Um, and remember the girl from Kazakhstan and Columbia who got her who
was who was arrested. And then apparently mom Donnie showed a picture of her because
she was hot and he was like, okay, cool. Let her go. So yeah, I think you can stay as
long as as long as you look the part or you're hot enough for the president. Um, but you
know, back to Melania, she's being photographed by Antoine and around the same time she's
trying to get a visa, a green card. She ends up getting one. We don't know, you know, Antoine
says it wasn't through her genius, genius visa, the Einstein, the Einstein, the Einstein
visa for people with incredible skills. Um, but Antoine did help Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend
Karina Shuliac get up Tena visa, a short term visa. Right. With the lesbian marriage. No, I don't
think it was a lesbian marriage woman. Didn't she? It was like, oh, that might be, but this is not
what Antoine did for them. Antoine just got her a temporary visa by helping her find lodging
in St. Bartz as well. Right. Well, it was on to Mary a woman because it was Jeffrey Epstein's
girlfriend. He certainly was going to have her marry a man and he wasn't going to marry her and
take that on. So she married a woman. Right. So that it was like, you know, total marriage fraud.
Yes. Um, okay, let's keep going though with this. So Antoine, last time he photographed Melania's
for hot living, 2011, unclear if they remained in contact afterwards. Um, but he, she's certainly
in that whole Palo Zampoli world. Palo is obviously, I think he's an ambassador, been twice an
ambassador in the Trump administration. And so, but after Jeffrey Epstein goes to jail, um, and he comes
out of jail, he's hiring Antoine to do day shoots for him, presumably of nudes according to the
files in which he says there won't, that we won't need styling because they're nudes. He claims
they weren't. But then Antoine sent him black and white nudes according to files. He said that
they're all famous nudes. Um, that, and he says there are no victims. And I'm adding in all
of the things that he says to be as precise as possible. Um, and, you know, there are no, there are
a number of other things that they exchange that are concerning, like 72 files that are all
blinded out of pictures that we, sorry, 65 files that are all blanked out that we've never seen.
And, you know, Epstein helps his son to try to get an internship. His son is now an equity
trader, but probably the most disturbing email of them all in the many exchange between Epstein and,
oh, including actually an ask from Woody Allen to help find a girl from 20 to 24 to being one of
his movies. Okay. The worst email of them all is an email that Epstein is forwarded.
There's originally sent by Antoine Bergloss about scopoline. And I think we like explain that
to everyone. Yes. We talked about this also, scopoline. It's, it creates a super roofie,
essentially, now it can be used for motion sickness. There's like a very small amount of scopoline
that gets used to motion sickness patches. But when you overdose on it or you are sort of like,
you know, making up your own doses, it is a drug called angel trumpet on the streets I found out
removes your, your inhibitions. It makes you extremely directable, almost as if you're hypnotized.
And it's sort of like a rusted development style. There was a real forget me not. You don't
remember the things that you said. Now, I thought it was interesting that Jeffrey Epstein
be interested in cultivating these plants, not just to abuse women or to get them to remove their
inhibitions and do whatever you wanted, but certainly this could be used on business people. Also,
this could be used on anybody who wants to find a control for a period of time. You can just blow
away into their face. That's the question. It is that easy to administer. You can just blow into
someone's face. It makes you childlike. It eliminates free will. It's a lethal plant. It's
lethal as well. Like you said, one administered properly. It can be used to counter motion sickness.
But what he sent this article about it, it was all the scary ways. It was a daily
male article and it somehow ended up in Jeffrey Epstein's inbox. Meanwhile, the derivative,
the plant that you get scopalene from, it's called a trumpet plant. And according to Epstein's
emails, he kept inquiring about the trumpet plant twice in the Epstein vows that we've seen so far
from his manager in the Virgin Islands to ask, how are the trumpet plants?
He's growing this plant now. They are beautiful bell plant and some people put them in their
gardens. But I've also heard people say that we don't want them in our gardens because they are
so dangerous. Now, this is not to say that Melania Trump had to was administered trumpet plants
or anything like that. And Virgova says that he's never given anyone trumpet plant scopalene or
done anything like that against their will. But it's a very curious email. He doesn't remember how
it got sent to the inbox of a pedophile. So it's very weird. Let's just say that. But I don't know,
the more I see all these connections, and the more you know that President Trump has mentioned
so many times in the files, obviously Bill Clinton has mentioned so many times in the files.
And the more that you realize how much the modeling ecosystem that Melania was a part of was so
penetrated by Jeffrey Epstein, and they are obviously new each other. I mean, there were emails
that were email that was exchanged between Melania and Galen. If Hillary Clinton has to testify,
why not Melania Trump? Of course. I mean, it's just, it's not even, it shouldn't even be a
partisan thing. The standard has been said. She is actually emailing back and forth with people
within this universe. She should absolutely have to testify if not to clear her own name of the
innocence that she claims she has. Why wouldn't she want to be able to testify to say, look,
this guy was a creep. I came in. I was a young person. These are the ways that he, you know, did
whatever with me. Why wouldn't, if I were her, I'd want to testify. I'd be like, I want to be
clear to this. I had nothing to do with this guy or I wasn't involved in his crimes, but they won't,
they'll protect her through and through. I don't know that she's, you know, what would she say?
This is the thing that I see on the Trump side of things too also is that there was a lot of
maybe they didn't, they weren't putting up the Epstein files or maybe these 3,000, 3 million
files that we haven't even seen yet that are apparently worse than what we already have seen,
which is egregious is because he's trying to protect Melania. How much more Melania is in there
are her nudes in there. I mean, I think if you do sex work, you should be proud of it. Sex work
is valid work. Cardi B, she owned her shit. Okay. She's like, I was a good stripper. I'm a great
rapper and I'm a wonderful mother. You can, women contain multitudes. Don't be ashamed of that part.
But if you were kicking with Epstein or helping him find girls or, you know, lying about your visa
application, I mean, according to Trump's policies, those are all deportable evidences.
Yeah. So that's a lot. I mean, I could see the whole, oh, I mean, I don't agree with it,
but don't depose the president. I actually think if you are a public servant, you should be
deposed. But they made argument that presidents don't, they don't have to, you know, face the
penis and sit down, but Bill Clinton just did. And so did Hillary Clinton. And listen, I think
it was the right thing to do for Hillary Clinton to have to be, to be deposed because
she was friends with Glenn. I mean, even if just casually, she had, she was at Tulsi Clinton's wedding.
And I know that she was a plus one, but the idea that Tulsi Clinton's wedding wasn't heavily
vetted is insane. And she was invited as a privileged guest to the Clinton Global Initiative.
And her husband went on Jeffrey Epstein's plane 27 times. And he was at the White House 17 times.
So the idea that she had no idea about Jeffrey Epstein or Valenda Maxwell is something that I
find very hard to believe. And she did the right thing by testifying Bill Clinton did the right
thing by testifying. Again, we have photographs of Melania with Galen Epstein and Trump. We know
that President Trump's name is mentioned thousands of times. We know Melania's name is mentioned as
well. So if we're going to make a former first lady testify, then the current first lady should
testify. Absolutely. And the president should as well. It's apples to apples comparison. It's the
exact same situation. And as far as the president shouldn't have to do this or that or there's some
sort of national security involved, oh boy, it was just down Mar-a-Lago running operations in Iran
from ballroom. So like he doesn't do anything to protect national security as it is. So I'm not
willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that testifying the Epstein trials would somehow
compromise national security when literally all you and your vice president do is compromise
national security. What's the difference now? I mean, it's out the window now. Yeah. I'm just in shock
to about all these stories that are coming out about the amount the number of times when investigators
FBI could have gone further into the Epstein files and pursued leads against
co-conspirators, other men, and then just didn't. I know. And we're talking about Jess Staley.
It was a head of Goldman, sorry, not Morgan Stanley.
What's your bank? Well, Barclays before he had to step down. And as we know, Leon Black
from Apollo Management, the hedge funder. And now Harry Jarecki, the famous psychiatrist,
like who apparently was helping one of Epstein's girlfriends with her mental health. And then
according to her, he used that opportunity to sexually abuse her. Of course, it's people are sick.
I'm, every day is a new level of disappointment with the Epstein files. And like the more that the
elites say things like, well, if you knew everything, it would collapse our government. I don't actually
think is true. I think it would collapse the old system of elites and establishment. But there are
people that are like 45 and younger who we didn't do any of this. And we could very well continue
to run the government probably better without all of the sort of like atrocities at the top.
Going back to just that the Clintons having to testify and if the Trumps should. And I do believe
that they should. But they should, they should be interviewing for competent, serious people.
I think it was really unfortunate and a waste of the American taxpayers' money and time that
Lauren Bober was asking questions of the former secretary of state, right? Like she has no idea
what she's saying. Nancy Mase has no idea what she's saying. I mean, they were elected. They were
elected. I understand that they're elected. Some thing in terms of like, this is an actual serious
thing. And when you look at like what the Democratic oversight committee is doing, the people who
are leading that, like, Garcia is very serious about it. Lauren, under what is serious about it.
It was summarily serious about when they're questioning people. And I'd like to see a similar level
of professionalism and genuine like intelligent inquiry into these people because I feel like you
got the Clintons to testify. But you didn't send your best question askers. I would have liked
to have somebody who was maybe more, maybe one of the lawyers on the Republican side who's used to
questioning a high profile witness. Then Lauren Bober asking about like, weird shit, you know? And
they're just being there to say silly things. So to me, I thought that was a little bit of a waste of
time. And I was disappointed because I think you could have got, why didn't Ted Cruz? I know
it's like a congressional thing. But let me just use Ted Cruz as an example. Ted Cruz can be a
very effective question asker. So like, I want someone like that in there who would have perhaps
used the time more wisely and maybe given us some answers that the American people are looking for.
This was very like circus kindergarten me. And I'm sad about that too. I think it was a waste of
time on both sides. I think you're right. You only get that opportunity. Once. Once. And why not?
I was taught. And why not Josh Holly? Why not any of these people who are
training lawyers? Yeah, exactly. They're trained lawyers. But, uh, Congress doesn't always attract
the best and the brightest. I think that is the top line. And give me my lawyer, I guess. I don't
know. Give me something. I don't think Mike Lawler is going to be around for too much longer.
No, I would have taken him over Lauren Bobert, though. I think I just I was like, you know,
we have to thank Bobert for her duty. She did stand up to Trump and actually help get the Epstein
vials transparency. And I think that's where she is effective, right? Lauren Bobert is a woman
who has experienced sexual violence and domestic violence and been told that you're not smart enough
to do anything. And I think there are value. I totally get why people vote for her. And I've
actually set this to the Democrats before I was like, she's a relatable figure. She's somebody
that we all have a friend that's kind of like Lauren Bobert, but I don't necessarily want. She's like
a friend, you know, one questioning Hillary Clinton. Like it's not a matching of wits, okay? Like
love the girl. Good for you. You're representing people that voted for you. And you sometimes really
do do the right thing. But I don't think that was I don't think that was the right choice for that
moment. Oh, no. I mean, listen, it's Congress. It's House Oversight. It's a clown show. Maybe
Senate is a little bit better. You know, it's just it's unfortunate. I think this entire hearing
that I think this entire investigation is a sham because when Republicans don't. What do you mean?
Like, do you think there's sabotaging it and doing it on purpose and sending people who are
unserious because if they sent people who were serious, maybe there would actually be consequences.
And in this way, they think they're placating the American public. Look what we did, but nothing
really came of it. And they knew they're the only ones who showed up. If you're on the House
Oversight Committee, you can go to these hearings. And that is your right as a member of the committee.
But there's only a number of people on the House Oversight Committee. It is traditionally one of
the easiest committees to get on. And it's a lot of freshmen end up on the House Oversight Committee.
I believe AOC made her name there. It's a great place to make your name. If you want to be
a star on TV because you get great clips. Oversight is all about interrogation. Like you said,
and if you're good at it and you make viral moments, like you're it's a dream. You can
Carol and Maloney, a former congresswoman from New York, she would show up in a firefighter outfit
during her 9-11 hearings. Yeah, it's really about it. It really is about the theatrics getting
on cable news. They don't have the kind of legislative power that, you know, energy commerce,
the kind of services. Yeah, armed services. The ones where, you know, a lot of lobbyists will
probably pad your bank a little bit more because you have more heft. So to end up on House Oversight,
is sort of the place where the freshmen end up. And it's because I hate, this is the swamp. I'm
just decoding the swamp. Yeah, this is the lion's den. The place you go to gladiate right now.
Yeah, I'm just saying so it is. And I'm actually just really disappointed that no one showed up
from the Republican side to interview Les Wexner. Like he is the key to all of this. And you guys
didn't even show up to interview him. It just shows a lack of interest, a lack of seriousness,
really, to get down to the bottom of this. And the financial crimes are so important. He's also
been accused of sexual assault by Virginia Jufrey and others. So it's like, why are you not
going to sit down with him? He was Epstein's main backer. So, you know, that really that bothered
me as well. Again, to see his name around college universities and on buildings, like there has
to be some accountability here, you know, even if there's not going to be criminal accountability,
there has to be more swift social civil accountability. Things like you shouldn't be a college
student and going into the Wexner building. Like you shouldn't even at Harvard, it's like that. Like
it's it's just and I understand like maybe it should take time, but it just it can't. There
has to be some level of public shaming of removal from society of societal consequence for our
society to hold. Like there has to be a people reckoning if there won't be a criminal reckoning.
I agree. I mean, that we deserve a fair and open trial on camera. I mean, even Hillary said
that. This should be on camera. It absolutely should be. I didn't really care for our
indignation as to like, why should I have to testify? It's like, come on. You know, it's just like,
what else are you doing? Yeah, get in there and just do it. You know, it would be happy to testify
the survivors. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, I think they're blown it on purpose, Tara, a little bit.
And sometimes on your life, I've talked to you in our group chat. And then this is like forever,
but I'm just saying, I think that they're blowing it a little bit on purpose. And I think like the
American people are too smart for this because you could just interview the survivors. The Democratic
Oversight Committee could hold a public on C span something, you know, prime time TV. They're
going to do something in April and Palm Beach or something like that. They're going to do like
it's a site of Epstein's House. They're going to have survivors speak, but it's different than
actually having a hearing on the House floor, because I think you're protected free speech is like
right, local protection on the House floor. We have to remember it's Republicans that are controlling
oversight committee. They are the ones who have subpoena power unless a number of Republicans vote
with Democrats. And so that is what makes this so difficult. And we should just hope though that
the Democrats in the next Congress, which I assume they will win, that they take this seriously.
I'm keeping a list of things the Democrats need to do if they take power. I'm going to add this to it
because the one thing I've been able to say to them that has worked is the American people don't
want unity. Nobody wants to bring this country together. We want accountability before reconciliation.
So what does accountability look like? It looks like impeachment. It looks like having the survivor
specified on the House floor. It looks like taking control of the corruption and have like putting
Epstein files got to turn to Epstein trials pretty soon. That's a pretty common thing people
are saying online because I had the opportunity. I ran into Jess who's one of the survivors.
Yes, Michael. Yes, Michael. She's a wonderful, wonderful person.
We were like passing in the halls of CNN and I admire her resilience and I am cautious of how
much this country is asking of her and the other survivors to continue to show up in these places
where the needle isn't moving fast enough. Where accountability is not coming fast enough.
Now we're going to bring the girls and the women down to the site of Epstein's house to like
have a moment that we hope will go viral on television or on social media to continue to keep
attention on this place. But we are asking so much of these women that already gave so much and
it can't just be because it's helping a politician. It has to be because somebody's going to jail
because it's happening and I am concerned for the nonsense I see and how much we are asking of
these women constantly and how little they're getting back. Ruth, you and it reminds me of when I was
in Palm Beach, Virginia, you fry and we were knocking on doors and talking to people from her past
and her physical reaction because she lives in Australia. She hadn't been in Palm Beach since her
youth. She ran away from Epstein and Galen when she was I think 19 to Australia to hide from them
and when we went back to his house and we saw the plane and she remembered being physically like
brutally assaulted in a plane. She became ill. I saw her body shake and it's like
it's retraumatizing to go back to that place and essentially I've been saying this all along
that this government, this congress, they have repeatedly retraumatized these women and I'm
totally impressed with their strength that they've been able to plow forward and push and push
it's the sisterhood, it's you know it is the strength that they built up together but it is
unfair. It's totally unfair. Don't forget that there people have limits and Virginia for all her
strength and everything that she gave to this mission also had a limit and I worry about this
I don't want to see anybody else reach that limit either and so I feel very protective.
Others have two other girls have killed themselves in connection to Epstein and I just think
we got to be aware of that too. Virginia was out there for so long by herself for like a decade
telling her story constantly being told she was a liar, constantly being treated horribly
she was horrified when Pambani put out her depositions and said they were classified.
It's just like a dog and pony it was just a really like she saw the dog and pony show and she
actually really hoped that Trump and Elon Musk would do the right thing they mess I think
Elon Musk DM'd her and told her I'll make sure the file released and it's close to disappointed.
Too much from these girls and Trump took the election from these girls in many ways
saying oh if you vote for me and telling the American people who also believed this there are
other Victor are the specific Epstein victims of course and then there's the broader class of
women everywhere who have experienced sexual violence who see maybe these women will get some
justice but I didn't but maybe they will and then if they can maybe other people will listen and
maybe this will stop in some way but it has to stop like there has to be accountability or
we're asking too much of them and you know what bothers me so much about Virginia's stories when
you talked about how you went to go see the chef and how she wrote in a book and everything like
used to make her little sandwich or a little something to eat like as a former chef myself I know
what that means when when we would have a rough night in the restaurant and maybe you yelled at
the girls or whatever you saw them get abused by the general manager on the floor it was a rough
night you would put up what I call the apology fries at the end of the night we were like all the
waitresses and those just to come and they come and eat some french fries and we would all sort of
just like have a shift drink and be like wow we got through it and when I heard that he had car
gloves yeah when I heard that he had made her a little snack I was like you knew you know and like
how dare you not help now right like we're hospitality you made her a little snack and how
your pizza is like yeah it makes me sad yeah yeah you're like yeah he made her pizza the details
in which I like I don't the details in which she told her story to me I'm doing through broken
and in her book I mean I just think everyone really needs to listen to them and to hear her voice
I'm sad that she didn't live to be able to do the audio book for her book I agree I mean for
broken which we spent a lot of time on and I interviewed her extensively you can hear her voice
but I do think um you know it would have been nice too for her book to have that
instead of an actor you know yeah I also think like I mean an Olympic
gold medal Michael Phelps level of effort that she gave and I and this is where I say people have
limits she's one example of a person who gave to her last breath everything that she possibly
could and there's not anymore that we could have expected from her gotten from her and I'm sad that
she didn't get to see it but I'm also there's a little bit of peace in knowing that she's not seeing
what's happening now and continuing to suffer under this sort of like ignorant clown show of like
oh yeah the Epstein files are out no they're not they're totally redacted no they're not we have
the girls out on the Capitol we haven't met Palm Beach like get the fuck out of here for real like
yeah you guys are these are people they're real people and they're doing this stuff for you
politicians because they believe that there will be justice not because they want to be a part
of your political rise and I think we're getting a little too comfortable with the Epstein
victims being accessible and helpful and I want to just put a call to action out to anybody who
is inviting them on their shows or news channels or politicians like you better be able to give back
tenfold what they've given to you and that needs to be in the front of your minds
totally totally I agree with you on that and the way that Virginia is being attacked right now by
the manosphere it's horrible and the way that all the victims are it's just it's really it's hard
and that's why they've stayed quiet for so long it's why all victims of sexual assault particularly
when it involves different class men with power they say quiet they don't want to be attacked
and and this is why and they're trying to spin the narrative they're trying to say it's a hoax
it's incredible like it's not real people I'm like all I say to all those people go listen to
detective or carries tapes go listen to them those are teenage girls from Palm Beach Garden
high school or the one next I'm not sure exactly which one but it's a it's a it's a high school on
the other side of Palm Beach Garden it's on the other it's near Palm Beach Gardens it's a high
school a pyramid scheme of girls fourteen two hundred three hundred dollars to bring their friends
to Epstein to give massages and they were raped and that's not pedophile pedophilia to these people
this is not you can have any woman in the world why fourteen year olds this new thing seemingly
where people are like well pedophilia only really relates to the six months before puberty I'm like
no no no no we're not redefining or curating the definition of pedophilia it is what it is you know
what you were doing and I'm not going to like soften it or change it to the biological definition
of pedophilia there's a social definition that we are all subscribed to and that is not changing
and that is anybody under 18 or the intention of making somebody even over 18 look under 18
if you are sexualizing childlike features mentality body types and whatnot I actually don't care
if you're physically 18 and one day old if the goal was to make them appear childlike that's
still pedophilia even if that person is over 18 and that's what Jeffrey Epstein was going for
the absolute youngest the absolute least experience the absolute most vulnerable
that's what he was he actually did he wanted them to look young like he wanted them to look child
like because like even Virginia when you looked at pictures of her shoes very thin
yeah yeah no curves yeah he didn't he fed them very little though it was all about control he
didn't want breasts he didn't want the I mean Courtney Wilde Janda one showed up with braces on
her teeth you know this is that that was the look the aesthetic you could say that he was going for
he was not I am not going with this he was not interested in women he was not interested in women
so I don't know what you call it when somebody is not interested in women and they are not a boy
they're not a boy uh pedophiles yeah yeah you're a pedophile if you are if you are interested in
childlike people I don't care actually what their physical number ages I think that that
qualifies socially as pedophilia and I'm not willing to suffer tonight the other thing I want
to say is I wish that the news agencies would get better b-roll when they're talking about Epstein
because I can't imagine how retraumatizing it is for everyone to see his face everywhere constantly
it's like constantly on social media you can't scroll without seeing Epstein or Glenn Maxwell's
face constantly on television can't scroll without seeing their face and I understand that's how news
typically does things but maybe this is a special circumstance in which we could be showing
pictures of the victims instead of the perpetrator because people are getting so used to seeing him
that some of his style is even trending now where people are like oh Corey Jeffery Epstein used to
wear quarters if like I don't give a fuck what I used to wear used to rape kids like I think maybe
there's like some editorial decision people could be making that when we're talking about him
we're showing victims as opposed to him on yachts and boats and private planes and whatever it's like
I think it for especially for Gen Z and people who were not alive
alive during this time to have lived it in any way and have like recollection recollection of how
you know just exploited the millennial generation was and even parts of younger Gen X it's like
no it actually wasn't cool it's super creepy and I think the people who deserve to see their face
out there more are maybe the victims to remind people that this man was a major criminal
and all we ever see him on is in his boat at interlocking smiling looking happy looking
it's the world porn it's the world porn and I have always said this was the problem like
when I did the broken podcasts with with Julie Cape Brown and Adam Davidson and Adam Kay
when we spoke I said I only want to do this for the eyes of the victims and we actually exed out
we asked out Jeffery's face good on on the cover if you ever go to broken Jeffery Epstein you
don't see his face there's an ex over it because we wanted to make sure it wasn't about him
right and I literally start the show being like I don't care about Jeffery Epstein like I care
about the women whose lives you ruined yeah because like all for so long these stories are
always about the fascination with these men these catch me if you can characters and it's like oh
because he had a jet and it was a little bit of express and he was followed around by beautiful
women and then this and that it's like you get lost in that you get lost in the truth of this horror
you're right and and that was like a really big deal to me and everyone on my team was an alignment
on that um so yeah well done I actually really think that Julie's reporting at the Miami Herald
like what brought it to that next level was the video work she did with Emily Michelle who
the producer because she was the one who got the girls to talk on the record and that was a really
big deal because people knew about the Epstein story and the injustice happened right about in
the Palm Beach posts and other places not to the extent that like people were they were up in arms
against Barry Krischer who was the state attorney at the time for letting Epstein go on such like
charges it was written about in Palm Beach just wasn't a national story until Julie really laid
it all out but critically I think having those women on the record having their faces which
took a lot of trust building yeah that was what changed the story it brought the humanity to it
most other interesting and this is what we're talking about tomorrow um I know there are a lot of
people like you said they get into the wealth porn they get into the like the you know sort of
looking at the train wreck of the sex crimes and they think that that's the limit of it at Jeffrey
Epstein's empire has been inherited by people who are running our government and world politics
today maybe not directly the way you think of like somebody dies and you inherit your grandpa's car
but pretty pretty close to it there are people out there running parts at Jeffrey Epstein's ideology
and his business people like Jared Kushner who seem to have inherited some of the Middle East
policy and some of the the ideas there people like Steve Bannon who are still informing the
Republicans cryptocurrency the attack on trans people all comes back to Jeffrey Epstein and much of
the way that he was moving and influencing people to the point that this idea that trans people
aren't people comes from Jeffrey Epstein as it was a trans woman who's one of the first people to
accuse him of rape and his idea being trans people are fetishes not people so if they are seeking
civil rights i can't have that because they are fetishes they are not maybe girls they are fetishes
but not everyone thinks in the world of but he did and he had the power to try and tamp down and to
this day it continues this idea to marginalize trans people you notice they never talk about trans
men it's always trans men that these people go after the Republicans go after and legislation
goes after and it's because they are folks that he wanted to fetishize and other people want to
fetishize and not see as real so if it's like how wait you know back in the day people couldn't
imagine that black folks wouldn't be slaves because then there are people and it's like yeah they're
fucking people they were always people same thing with the way they're dealing with trans people
same way with the deal way they're dealing with young women all these people want autonomy they want
justice they want equal place in society as me a wealthy man i can't have that i'm going to tamp it
down every chance i get so it's like the more i learn about his influence to this day
on the heritage foundation on steep bannon on the right wing on the manosphere on cryptocurrency
on geopolitics on russia i'm like it's still happening he didn't die that long ago
his shit is still going on maybe not the sex crimes in exactly the same way
but the ideology and the world that he seek to create this new right wing is not the new
gingrich ted crews right wing of the tea party this is the mega trumpism epstein mega party
republican i mean he definitely seeded a lot of ideas with very influential people and i think
the com he he personally enjoyed the conversations with people of power and when you have that
kind of access and influence those people you are going to influence the national conversation
you are going to influence the way that institutions carry out various practices financial
academia science just even media i mean he had a lot of friends in the media as well he constantly
was talking to reporters all of the time it's i mean it's just what we're living with now and it's
you know they're like oh well they were all democrats back then i'm like yeah they were all
democrats back then and then why did they become republicans they created a new republicans party a
new republican power structure that centered Donald trump jeffrey Epstein's ideals steep bannon
came ridgett let it go all that and elan must the people who were involved in the situation that
the democrats did not look at as equal intelligent or power authorities and over here well we'll just
create a whole new structure it's not that like they they were all democrats and now they're all
republicans why are they republicans and is this truly the republican party of knit romney and
ted crews and new gingrich and george bush or is it a completely different republican party
it is it's maga which was built much in part by jeffrey Epstein's ideology carried out by his
friends who happen to enjoy his island in his play rfk jr they're all connected it is i'm
gonna get killed tara someday someday they're gonna be like uh and that kid's moving me i don't
gonna be like never stop moving me god like why are you telling people these things it's the dyslexia
man you see big picture and then you're like it all makes sense oh i'm stah you know also i don't
think he was a mosaad agent i don't think that um modic and lewinsky was a mosaad agent either which
is the new thing i think mosaad is its own thing and i think jeffrey Epstein was in places of power
i think he was willing to play games with russia willing to play games with israel willing to play
games with whoever was gonna give him power access and let him do what he wanted so i doubt that the
mosaad took time out to like take jeffrey Epstein away and personally train him as a spy so much as
he was a useful asset to many different power players agreed he was a hyper fixer
you know what i'm saying mister yeah for so many people but i'm gonna put you were the triple quadruple
agent he passed on tips to various um you passed on tips to various powerful people including
prince andrew and sold them out um he and he also asked for information from prince andrew um he
passed them on to you know intelligence agencies as you could see from his lawyers asking
the cia and nsa if they could send a proof of affiliation um he went and met with bill bernes when he
was the deputy secretary of state and then now this is like bro was his own his country he was his
own power structure he was his own universe he he wasn't loyal to israel or loyal to russia or
loyal to america he was loyal to himself and whatever that next fix was for him right incredible
now that we've bummed everybody out and got him all worked up goodbye
anyway thanks everybody for joining the show what a great number great what a great
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free so if you can subscribe do but if not tomorrow's article about steep and it will be free and I
think it's a really important thing to get you just thinking bigger picture and outside what the
mainstream continues to feed to us I think what you're doing Tara is so brave and incredible and
you know we're kind of like working parallel with our friends in the chat no one can be that's all
along yeah there are so many files there's so this story is cannot be owned by one journalist and
that's why I love that it came at this time I actually think it was so fortuitous because like
2019 there was no independent world there was no jmail there was no ai right this happened exactly
when it was supposed to happen and it makes me hopeful I don't think we could have handled this bulk
of information except at this time and I think we'll get the rest of the files and you know
it's amazing so I'm I'm like incredibly proud of the independent universe and everyone here who
supports reporters like us because reporting isn't cheap it takes a lot of time um if you want to
check out my story too it's on um melania and twan bear gloss this photographer and the connection
to Jeffrey Epstein I think if you click through the links you'll see the emails and you'll be
sufficiently creeped and that should you know I oh yeah I know big egg and no one did anything wrong
yeah right that's it okay thanks for coming to our show bye
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