Hillary Clinton Testified on Epstein. Should Melania Trump?

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Girl, when I saw your piece come out, I audibly gasped. I bet you know more than even you

were allowed to publish. It's just crazy. It was a great piece.

Thank you. I think it's interesting in the sense that, you know, here's this huge photographer

Antoine Verglas. You know, he's known for shooting people like Cindy Crawford and Claudia

Schiffer and Tyler Banks. And all of a sudden, Melania comes from Slovenia. A little bit late

in the game, I think, as a model, you know, twenty-three or something, twenty-six.

A little late in the game. And now she is this huge model, but like kind of like news. You

know, she's not doing like the kind of cute, tasteful girl next door Cindy Crawford stuff.

Right.

Like this woman is taking all her photos in the buff. And Antoine is the guy who shoot

most of them. I mean, and one body, I, I, Melania, good for you, girl. I support all of what

you did. You had the body for it. You posed. You did the whole thing.

Yeah.

Well, something there though. It was definitely like, you know, okay, everybody builds their business

like us a different way.

Yeah. So she's got, well, where did it start with Trump, the bond GQ art spread on Trump's

plane, where she's just, she's naked, except for the fur on the plane.

They were not together yet, right?

No, they were dating.

Trump gave the plane.

That was a big, that was the big gett was that Antoine was going to be able to shoot her

on the plane.

And that would add that allore. And he was already like, I don't want to hate using the

word grooming because like this story has so much grooming in him, but Trump was already

like kind of preparing Melania to take on a higher role as, right, they called her New

York's first lady. I mean, they literally would write that in these articles. It was

like somebody was already laying down the groundwork for her to one day be first lady,

right?

So you see that you see her and max some golf in a bathtub covered just in golf balls.

You see her on her concord shoot. This isn't a burgloss one, though, concord, just another

one.

She's naked. All you can see is a, you know, a watch, but you know, everything that Melania

does is like pretty suggestive. She was not the type of model that walked down runways

because she frankly, like, you have to be super way fish. And they tend to be like 20

year old girls. They're not full, like she's not a full figured woman in the sense of

a full figured woman, but she clearly had like breast implants or something that made

her sleep way than runway. Yeah.

Exactly. And that's why she didn't sports illustrated another thing that Antoine

burgloss shot. He shot her about 12 times. Now Antoine claims that he wasn't friend with

Epstein at the time, but he knew Paulo's on Polly, who knew Epstein at the time. And

that was how he was tipped off to Melania through Paulo, because Paulo was, was, you know,

Melania's agent at ID models. And he was friends with Epstein. And we're supposed to, you

know, it's interesting. And so it all, it all reminds you about the world that sort of

thrust Melania from being kind of this no name girl from LouBiana or wherever in

Slovenia to what is now the first lady. And I mean, sometimes when I hear her speak,

I think it's like almost programmatic, like the way that she talks. It's like she's been

preparing for this her whole life to be the first lady in a lot of ways. So do they

did a thing. I read it, I read this thing about how Donald Trump almost ran for office

in like 2008. It was like right after, you know, the apprentice was really hot. And he's

always had this like dream of being the president in terms of like what it means to be a celebrity

and like remembered forever as a president. And they did like a fake rally to see how they

had staged like they've gained out of fake rally to see how it would go with Melania

being presented as the first lady and really being cast as this idea of what the next first

lady would be. So I find it really interesting that she came here, you know, in a lot of

her work was very sexy, very playboy-ass, very max and magazine, very suggested, like

you said. And then they were trying to make this transition for her to then take on what

is usually considered a very prudish, very reserved first lady role. And I wonder, you

know, and maybe I'm just like piled by how much of the Epstein files I've read. And we

have a piece coming out on Steve Bannon and Epstein tomorrow. And the Epstein's goals

were varied. But one of them was to make sex and the taboo and this idea of like owning

women in some ways or casting them to be certain people, not taboo. So I'm like, okay,

was Melania part of the plan because it was like, we're going to have a first lady with

nudes. Like maybe that was part of it. Like this idea that the expectation for the first

lady was no longer to be this highly educated, extremely classy, very reserved American

doll type girl. And now it's like to have the vixen is what I think that Trump wanted

the vixen. And I don't know if he saw it's in the Epstein files were Epstein's emailing

something about how Trump was going on about what a great piece of, you know what Melania

is. I don't I think Trump liked that about her. He liked having a sexy. He wasn't going

to be a woman who wasn't a sexy, right? But I think he also wanted that woman to fit

into the role as first lady because even listen, I know from covering Trump since I was

a cub reporter at the New York Post starting in like 2010 that he always talked to people

about wanting to be president. And before that, he wanted to run as a Democrat like decades

earlier than that. He was meeting with people. This is not some idea that just came into

his head recently. He's always wanting to be president. So I think he thought about

that when he was looking for his girlfriend that he would come out with, obviously.

Um, there would be been a good first, first lady. I think a Von Trump would have been

a great first lady. You want to talk about somebody who knew how to run a business or

could have kept up that kind of like classy, like educated lady thing. She is brilliant.

Yes. I agree with you. Yeah. I agree. But I think I think she they had a very tumultuous

relationship. And he wanted the Melania. It's so interesting that he wanted the first

lady to not be American for how incredibly racist and xenophobic he has against all

other immigrants that his first lady, his like picture of what should represent women

in America is a Slovenian immigrant. Well, he's also now expanded visas to people from

South Africa, presumably white people because he likes way they look. And that's why he likes

people from Denmark and from the Scandinavian countries. It's like, okay, just tell us what

you really want. Um, and remember the girl from Kazakhstan and Columbia who got her who

was who was arrested. And then apparently mom Donnie showed a picture of her because

she was hot and he was like, okay, cool. Let her go. So yeah, I think you can stay as

long as as long as you look the part or you're hot enough for the president. Um, but you

know, back to Melania, she's being photographed by Antoine and around the same time she's

trying to get a visa, a green card. She ends up getting one. We don't know, you know, Antoine

says it wasn't through her genius, genius visa, the Einstein, the Einstein, the Einstein

visa for people with incredible skills. Um, but Antoine did help Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend

Karina Shuliac get up Tena visa, a short term visa. Right. With the lesbian marriage. No, I don't

think it was a lesbian marriage woman. Didn't she? It was like, oh, that might be, but this is not

what Antoine did for them. Antoine just got her a temporary visa by helping her find lodging

in St. Bartz as well. Right. Well, it was on to Mary a woman because it was Jeffrey Epstein's

girlfriend. He certainly was going to have her marry a man and he wasn't going to marry her and

take that on. So she married a woman. Right. So that it was like, you know, total marriage fraud.

Yes. Um, okay, let's keep going though with this. So Antoine, last time he photographed Melania's

for hot living, 2011, unclear if they remained in contact afterwards. Um, but he, she's certainly

in that whole Palo Zampoli world. Palo is obviously, I think he's an ambassador, been twice an

ambassador in the Trump administration. And so, but after Jeffrey Epstein goes to jail, um, and he comes

out of jail, he's hiring Antoine to do day shoots for him, presumably of nudes according to the

files in which he says there won't, that we won't need styling because they're nudes. He claims

they weren't. But then Antoine sent him black and white nudes according to files. He said that

they're all famous nudes. Um, that, and he says there are no victims. And I'm adding in all

of the things that he says to be as precise as possible. Um, and, you know, there are no, there are

a number of other things that they exchange that are concerning, like 72 files that are all

blinded out of pictures that we, sorry, 65 files that are all blanked out that we've never seen.

And, you know, Epstein helps his son to try to get an internship. His son is now an equity

trader, but probably the most disturbing email of them all in the many exchange between Epstein and,

oh, including actually an ask from Woody Allen to help find a girl from 20 to 24 to being one of

his movies. Okay. The worst email of them all is an email that Epstein is forwarded.

There's originally sent by Antoine Bergloss about scopoline. And I think we like explain that

to everyone. Yes. We talked about this also, scopoline. It's, it creates a super roofie,

essentially, now it can be used for motion sickness. There's like a very small amount of scopoline

that gets used to motion sickness patches. But when you overdose on it or you are sort of like,

you know, making up your own doses, it is a drug called angel trumpet on the streets I found out

removes your, your inhibitions. It makes you extremely directable, almost as if you're hypnotized.

And it's sort of like a rusted development style. There was a real forget me not. You don't

remember the things that you said. Now, I thought it was interesting that Jeffrey Epstein

be interested in cultivating these plants, not just to abuse women or to get them to remove their

inhibitions and do whatever you wanted, but certainly this could be used on business people. Also,

this could be used on anybody who wants to find a control for a period of time. You can just blow

away into their face. That's the question. It is that easy to administer. You can just blow into

someone's face. It makes you childlike. It eliminates free will. It's a lethal plant. It's

lethal as well. Like you said, one administered properly. It can be used to counter motion sickness.

But what he sent this article about it, it was all the scary ways. It was a daily

male article and it somehow ended up in Jeffrey Epstein's inbox. Meanwhile, the derivative,

the plant that you get scopalene from, it's called a trumpet plant. And according to Epstein's

emails, he kept inquiring about the trumpet plant twice in the Epstein vows that we've seen so far

from his manager in the Virgin Islands to ask, how are the trumpet plants?

He's growing this plant now. They are beautiful bell plant and some people put them in their

gardens. But I've also heard people say that we don't want them in our gardens because they are

so dangerous. Now, this is not to say that Melania Trump had to was administered trumpet plants

or anything like that. And Virgova says that he's never given anyone trumpet plant scopalene or

done anything like that against their will. But it's a very curious email. He doesn't remember how

it got sent to the inbox of a pedophile. So it's very weird. Let's just say that. But I don't know,

the more I see all these connections, and the more you know that President Trump has mentioned

so many times in the files, obviously Bill Clinton has mentioned so many times in the files.

And the more that you realize how much the modeling ecosystem that Melania was a part of was so

penetrated by Jeffrey Epstein, and they are obviously new each other. I mean, there were emails

that were email that was exchanged between Melania and Galen. If Hillary Clinton has to testify,

why not Melania Trump? Of course. I mean, it's just, it's not even, it shouldn't even be a

partisan thing. The standard has been said. She is actually emailing back and forth with people

within this universe. She should absolutely have to testify if not to clear her own name of the

innocence that she claims she has. Why wouldn't she want to be able to testify to say, look,

this guy was a creep. I came in. I was a young person. These are the ways that he, you know, did

whatever with me. Why wouldn't, if I were her, I'd want to testify. I'd be like, I want to be

clear to this. I had nothing to do with this guy or I wasn't involved in his crimes, but they won't,

they'll protect her through and through. I don't know that she's, you know, what would she say?

This is the thing that I see on the Trump side of things too also is that there was a lot of

maybe they didn't, they weren't putting up the Epstein files or maybe these 3,000, 3 million

files that we haven't even seen yet that are apparently worse than what we already have seen,

which is egregious is because he's trying to protect Melania. How much more Melania is in there

are her nudes in there. I mean, I think if you do sex work, you should be proud of it. Sex work

is valid work. Cardi B, she owned her shit. Okay. She's like, I was a good stripper. I'm a great

rapper and I'm a wonderful mother. You can, women contain multitudes. Don't be ashamed of that part.

But if you were kicking with Epstein or helping him find girls or, you know, lying about your visa

application, I mean, according to Trump's policies, those are all deportable evidences.

Yeah. So that's a lot. I mean, I could see the whole, oh, I mean, I don't agree with it,

but don't depose the president. I actually think if you are a public servant, you should be

deposed. But they made argument that presidents don't, they don't have to, you know, face the

penis and sit down, but Bill Clinton just did. And so did Hillary Clinton. And listen, I think

it was the right thing to do for Hillary Clinton to have to be, to be deposed because

she was friends with Glenn. I mean, even if just casually, she had, she was at Tulsi Clinton's wedding.

And I know that she was a plus one, but the idea that Tulsi Clinton's wedding wasn't heavily

vetted is insane. And she was invited as a privileged guest to the Clinton Global Initiative.

And her husband went on Jeffrey Epstein's plane 27 times. And he was at the White House 17 times.

So the idea that she had no idea about Jeffrey Epstein or Valenda Maxwell is something that I

find very hard to believe. And she did the right thing by testifying Bill Clinton did the right

thing by testifying. Again, we have photographs of Melania with Galen Epstein and Trump. We know

that President Trump's name is mentioned thousands of times. We know Melania's name is mentioned as

well. So if we're going to make a former first lady testify, then the current first lady should

testify. Absolutely. And the president should as well. It's apples to apples comparison. It's the

exact same situation. And as far as the president shouldn't have to do this or that or there's some

sort of national security involved, oh boy, it was just down Mar-a-Lago running operations in Iran

from ballroom. So like he doesn't do anything to protect national security as it is. So I'm not

willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that testifying the Epstein trials would somehow

compromise national security when literally all you and your vice president do is compromise

national security. What's the difference now? I mean, it's out the window now. Yeah. I'm just in shock

to about all these stories that are coming out about the amount the number of times when investigators

FBI could have gone further into the Epstein files and pursued leads against

co-conspirators, other men, and then just didn't. I know. And we're talking about Jess Staley.

It was a head of Goldman, sorry, not Morgan Stanley.

What's your bank? Well, Barclays before he had to step down. And as we know, Leon Black

from Apollo Management, the hedge funder. And now Harry Jarecki, the famous psychiatrist,

like who apparently was helping one of Epstein's girlfriends with her mental health. And then

according to her, he used that opportunity to sexually abuse her. Of course, it's people are sick.

I'm, every day is a new level of disappointment with the Epstein files. And like the more that the

elites say things like, well, if you knew everything, it would collapse our government. I don't actually

think is true. I think it would collapse the old system of elites and establishment. But there are

people that are like 45 and younger who we didn't do any of this. And we could very well continue

to run the government probably better without all of the sort of like atrocities at the top.

Going back to just that the Clintons having to testify and if the Trumps should. And I do believe

that they should. But they should, they should be interviewing for competent, serious people.

I think it was really unfortunate and a waste of the American taxpayers' money and time that

Lauren Bober was asking questions of the former secretary of state, right? Like she has no idea

what she's saying. Nancy Mase has no idea what she's saying. I mean, they were elected. They were

elected. I understand that they're elected. Some thing in terms of like, this is an actual serious

thing. And when you look at like what the Democratic oversight committee is doing, the people who

are leading that, like, Garcia is very serious about it. Lauren, under what is serious about it.

It was summarily serious about when they're questioning people. And I'd like to see a similar level

of professionalism and genuine like intelligent inquiry into these people because I feel like you

got the Clintons to testify. But you didn't send your best question askers. I would have liked

to have somebody who was maybe more, maybe one of the lawyers on the Republican side who's used to

questioning a high profile witness. Then Lauren Bober asking about like, weird shit, you know? And

they're just being there to say silly things. So to me, I thought that was a little bit of a waste of

time. And I was disappointed because I think you could have got, why didn't Ted Cruz? I know

it's like a congressional thing. But let me just use Ted Cruz as an example. Ted Cruz can be a

very effective question asker. So like, I want someone like that in there who would have perhaps

used the time more wisely and maybe given us some answers that the American people are looking for.

This was very like circus kindergarten me. And I'm sad about that too. I think it was a waste of

time on both sides. I think you're right. You only get that opportunity. Once. Once. And why not?

I was taught. And why not Josh Holly? Why not any of these people who are

training lawyers? Yeah, exactly. They're trained lawyers. But, uh, Congress doesn't always attract

the best and the brightest. I think that is the top line. And give me my lawyer, I guess. I don't

know. Give me something. I don't think Mike Lawler is going to be around for too much longer.

No, I would have taken him over Lauren Bobert, though. I think I just I was like, you know,

we have to thank Bobert for her duty. She did stand up to Trump and actually help get the Epstein

vials transparency. And I think that's where she is effective, right? Lauren Bobert is a woman

who has experienced sexual violence and domestic violence and been told that you're not smart enough

to do anything. And I think there are value. I totally get why people vote for her. And I've

actually set this to the Democrats before I was like, she's a relatable figure. She's somebody

that we all have a friend that's kind of like Lauren Bobert, but I don't necessarily want. She's like

a friend, you know, one questioning Hillary Clinton. Like it's not a matching of wits, okay? Like

love the girl. Good for you. You're representing people that voted for you. And you sometimes really

do do the right thing. But I don't think that was I don't think that was the right choice for that

moment. Oh, no. I mean, listen, it's Congress. It's House Oversight. It's a clown show. Maybe

Senate is a little bit better. You know, it's just it's unfortunate. I think this entire hearing

that I think this entire investigation is a sham because when Republicans don't. What do you mean?

Like, do you think there's sabotaging it and doing it on purpose and sending people who are

unserious because if they sent people who were serious, maybe there would actually be consequences.

And in this way, they think they're placating the American public. Look what we did, but nothing

really came of it. And they knew they're the only ones who showed up. If you're on the House

Oversight Committee, you can go to these hearings. And that is your right as a member of the committee.

But there's only a number of people on the House Oversight Committee. It is traditionally one of

the easiest committees to get on. And it's a lot of freshmen end up on the House Oversight Committee.

I believe AOC made her name there. It's a great place to make your name. If you want to be

a star on TV because you get great clips. Oversight is all about interrogation. Like you said,

and if you're good at it and you make viral moments, like you're it's a dream. You can

Carol and Maloney, a former congresswoman from New York, she would show up in a firefighter outfit

during her 9-11 hearings. Yeah, it's really about it. It really is about the theatrics getting

on cable news. They don't have the kind of legislative power that, you know, energy commerce,

the kind of services. Yeah, armed services. The ones where, you know, a lot of lobbyists will

probably pad your bank a little bit more because you have more heft. So to end up on House Oversight,

is sort of the place where the freshmen end up. And it's because I hate, this is the swamp. I'm

just decoding the swamp. Yeah, this is the lion's den. The place you go to gladiate right now.

Yeah, I'm just saying so it is. And I'm actually just really disappointed that no one showed up

from the Republican side to interview Les Wexner. Like he is the key to all of this. And you guys

didn't even show up to interview him. It just shows a lack of interest, a lack of seriousness,

really, to get down to the bottom of this. And the financial crimes are so important. He's also

been accused of sexual assault by Virginia Jufrey and others. So it's like, why are you not

going to sit down with him? He was Epstein's main backer. So, you know, that really that bothered

me as well. Again, to see his name around college universities and on buildings, like there has

to be some accountability here, you know, even if there's not going to be criminal accountability,

there has to be more swift social civil accountability. Things like you shouldn't be a college

student and going into the Wexner building. Like you shouldn't even at Harvard, it's like that. Like

it's it's just and I understand like maybe it should take time, but it just it can't. There

has to be some level of public shaming of removal from society of societal consequence for our

society to hold. Like there has to be a people reckoning if there won't be a criminal reckoning.

I agree. I mean, that we deserve a fair and open trial on camera. I mean, even Hillary said

that. This should be on camera. It absolutely should be. I didn't really care for our

indignation as to like, why should I have to testify? It's like, come on. You know, it's just like,

what else are you doing? Yeah, get in there and just do it. You know, it would be happy to testify

the survivors. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, I think they're blown it on purpose, Tara, a little bit.

And sometimes on your life, I've talked to you in our group chat. And then this is like forever,

but I'm just saying, I think that they're blowing it a little bit on purpose. And I think like the

American people are too smart for this because you could just interview the survivors. The Democratic

Oversight Committee could hold a public on C span something, you know, prime time TV. They're

going to do something in April and Palm Beach or something like that. They're going to do like

it's a site of Epstein's House. They're going to have survivors speak, but it's different than

actually having a hearing on the House floor, because I think you're protected free speech is like

right, local protection on the House floor. We have to remember it's Republicans that are controlling

oversight committee. They are the ones who have subpoena power unless a number of Republicans vote

with Democrats. And so that is what makes this so difficult. And we should just hope though that

the Democrats in the next Congress, which I assume they will win, that they take this seriously.

I'm keeping a list of things the Democrats need to do if they take power. I'm going to add this to it

because the one thing I've been able to say to them that has worked is the American people don't

want unity. Nobody wants to bring this country together. We want accountability before reconciliation.

So what does accountability look like? It looks like impeachment. It looks like having the survivor

specified on the House floor. It looks like taking control of the corruption and have like putting

Epstein files got to turn to Epstein trials pretty soon. That's a pretty common thing people

are saying online because I had the opportunity. I ran into Jess who's one of the survivors.

Yes, Michael. Yes, Michael. She's a wonderful, wonderful person.

We were like passing in the halls of CNN and I admire her resilience and I am cautious of how

much this country is asking of her and the other survivors to continue to show up in these places

where the needle isn't moving fast enough. Where accountability is not coming fast enough.

Now we're going to bring the girls and the women down to the site of Epstein's house to like

have a moment that we hope will go viral on television or on social media to continue to keep

attention on this place. But we are asking so much of these women that already gave so much and

it can't just be because it's helping a politician. It has to be because somebody's going to jail

because it's happening and I am concerned for the nonsense I see and how much we are asking of

these women constantly and how little they're getting back. Ruth, you and it reminds me of when I was

in Palm Beach, Virginia, you fry and we were knocking on doors and talking to people from her past

and her physical reaction because she lives in Australia. She hadn't been in Palm Beach since her

youth. She ran away from Epstein and Galen when she was I think 19 to Australia to hide from them

and when we went back to his house and we saw the plane and she remembered being physically like

brutally assaulted in a plane. She became ill. I saw her body shake and it's like

it's retraumatizing to go back to that place and essentially I've been saying this all along

that this government, this congress, they have repeatedly retraumatized these women and I'm

totally impressed with their strength that they've been able to plow forward and push and push

it's the sisterhood, it's you know it is the strength that they built up together but it is

unfair. It's totally unfair. Don't forget that there people have limits and Virginia for all her

strength and everything that she gave to this mission also had a limit and I worry about this

I don't want to see anybody else reach that limit either and so I feel very protective.

Others have two other girls have killed themselves in connection to Epstein and I just think

we got to be aware of that too. Virginia was out there for so long by herself for like a decade

telling her story constantly being told she was a liar, constantly being treated horribly

she was horrified when Pambani put out her depositions and said they were classified.

It's just like a dog and pony it was just a really like she saw the dog and pony show and she

actually really hoped that Trump and Elon Musk would do the right thing they mess I think

Elon Musk DM'd her and told her I'll make sure the file released and it's close to disappointed.

Too much from these girls and Trump took the election from these girls in many ways

saying oh if you vote for me and telling the American people who also believed this there are

other Victor are the specific Epstein victims of course and then there's the broader class of

women everywhere who have experienced sexual violence who see maybe these women will get some

justice but I didn't but maybe they will and then if they can maybe other people will listen and

maybe this will stop in some way but it has to stop like there has to be accountability or

we're asking too much of them and you know what bothers me so much about Virginia's stories when

you talked about how you went to go see the chef and how she wrote in a book and everything like

used to make her little sandwich or a little something to eat like as a former chef myself I know

what that means when when we would have a rough night in the restaurant and maybe you yelled at

the girls or whatever you saw them get abused by the general manager on the floor it was a rough

night you would put up what I call the apology fries at the end of the night we were like all the

waitresses and those just to come and they come and eat some french fries and we would all sort of

just like have a shift drink and be like wow we got through it and when I heard that he had car

gloves yeah when I heard that he had made her a little snack I was like you knew you know and like

how dare you not help now right like we're hospitality you made her a little snack and how

your pizza is like yeah it makes me sad yeah yeah you're like yeah he made her pizza the details

in which I like I don't the details in which she told her story to me I'm doing through broken

and in her book I mean I just think everyone really needs to listen to them and to hear her voice

I'm sad that she didn't live to be able to do the audio book for her book I agree I mean for

broken which we spent a lot of time on and I interviewed her extensively you can hear her voice

but I do think um you know it would have been nice too for her book to have that

instead of an actor you know yeah I also think like I mean an Olympic

gold medal Michael Phelps level of effort that she gave and I and this is where I say people have

limits she's one example of a person who gave to her last breath everything that she possibly

could and there's not anymore that we could have expected from her gotten from her and I'm sad that

she didn't get to see it but I'm also there's a little bit of peace in knowing that she's not seeing

what's happening now and continuing to suffer under this sort of like ignorant clown show of like

oh yeah the Epstein files are out no they're not they're totally redacted no they're not we have

the girls out on the Capitol we haven't met Palm Beach like get the fuck out of here for real like

yeah you guys are these are people they're real people and they're doing this stuff for you

politicians because they believe that there will be justice not because they want to be a part

of your political rise and I think we're getting a little too comfortable with the Epstein

victims being accessible and helpful and I want to just put a call to action out to anybody who

is inviting them on their shows or news channels or politicians like you better be able to give back

tenfold what they've given to you and that needs to be in the front of your minds

totally totally I agree with you on that and the way that Virginia is being attacked right now by

the manosphere it's horrible and the way that all the victims are it's just it's really it's hard

and that's why they've stayed quiet for so long it's why all victims of sexual assault particularly

when it involves different class men with power they say quiet they don't want to be attacked

and and this is why and they're trying to spin the narrative they're trying to say it's a hoax

it's incredible like it's not real people I'm like all I say to all those people go listen to

detective or carries tapes go listen to them those are teenage girls from Palm Beach Garden

high school or the one next I'm not sure exactly which one but it's a it's a it's a high school on

the other side of Palm Beach Garden it's on the other it's near Palm Beach Gardens it's a high

school a pyramid scheme of girls fourteen two hundred three hundred dollars to bring their friends

to Epstein to give massages and they were raped and that's not pedophile pedophilia to these people

this is not you can have any woman in the world why fourteen year olds this new thing seemingly

where people are like well pedophilia only really relates to the six months before puberty I'm like

no no no no we're not redefining or curating the definition of pedophilia it is what it is you know

what you were doing and I'm not going to like soften it or change it to the biological definition

of pedophilia there's a social definition that we are all subscribed to and that is not changing

and that is anybody under 18 or the intention of making somebody even over 18 look under 18

if you are sexualizing childlike features mentality body types and whatnot I actually don't care

if you're physically 18 and one day old if the goal was to make them appear childlike that's

still pedophilia even if that person is over 18 and that's what Jeffrey Epstein was going for

the absolute youngest the absolute least experience the absolute most vulnerable

that's what he was he actually did he wanted them to look young like he wanted them to look child

like because like even Virginia when you looked at pictures of her shoes very thin

yeah yeah no curves yeah he didn't he fed them very little though it was all about control he

didn't want breasts he didn't want the I mean Courtney Wilde Janda one showed up with braces on

her teeth you know this is that that was the look the aesthetic you could say that he was going for

he was not I am not going with this he was not interested in women he was not interested in women

so I don't know what you call it when somebody is not interested in women and they are not a boy

they're not a boy uh pedophiles yeah yeah you're a pedophile if you are if you are interested in

childlike people I don't care actually what their physical number ages I think that that

qualifies socially as pedophilia and I'm not willing to suffer tonight the other thing I want

to say is I wish that the news agencies would get better b-roll when they're talking about Epstein

because I can't imagine how retraumatizing it is for everyone to see his face everywhere constantly

it's like constantly on social media you can't scroll without seeing Epstein or Glenn Maxwell's

face constantly on television can't scroll without seeing their face and I understand that's how news

typically does things but maybe this is a special circumstance in which we could be showing

pictures of the victims instead of the perpetrator because people are getting so used to seeing him

that some of his style is even trending now where people are like oh Corey Jeffery Epstein used to

wear quarters if like I don't give a fuck what I used to wear used to rape kids like I think maybe

there's like some editorial decision people could be making that when we're talking about him

we're showing victims as opposed to him on yachts and boats and private planes and whatever it's like

I think it for especially for Gen Z and people who were not alive

alive during this time to have lived it in any way and have like recollection recollection of how

you know just exploited the millennial generation was and even parts of younger Gen X it's like

no it actually wasn't cool it's super creepy and I think the people who deserve to see their face

out there more are maybe the victims to remind people that this man was a major criminal

and all we ever see him on is in his boat at interlocking smiling looking happy looking

it's the world porn it's the world porn and I have always said this was the problem like

when I did the broken podcasts with with Julie Cape Brown and Adam Davidson and Adam Kay

when we spoke I said I only want to do this for the eyes of the victims and we actually exed out

we asked out Jeffery's face good on on the cover if you ever go to broken Jeffery Epstein you

don't see his face there's an ex over it because we wanted to make sure it wasn't about him

right and I literally start the show being like I don't care about Jeffery Epstein like I care

about the women whose lives you ruined yeah because like all for so long these stories are

always about the fascination with these men these catch me if you can characters and it's like oh

because he had a jet and it was a little bit of express and he was followed around by beautiful

women and then this and that it's like you get lost in that you get lost in the truth of this horror

you're right and and that was like a really big deal to me and everyone on my team was an alignment

on that um so yeah well done I actually really think that Julie's reporting at the Miami Herald

like what brought it to that next level was the video work she did with Emily Michelle who

the producer because she was the one who got the girls to talk on the record and that was a really

big deal because people knew about the Epstein story and the injustice happened right about in

the Palm Beach posts and other places not to the extent that like people were they were up in arms

against Barry Krischer who was the state attorney at the time for letting Epstein go on such like

charges it was written about in Palm Beach just wasn't a national story until Julie really laid

it all out but critically I think having those women on the record having their faces which

took a lot of trust building yeah that was what changed the story it brought the humanity to it

most other interesting and this is what we're talking about tomorrow um I know there are a lot of

people like you said they get into the wealth porn they get into the like the you know sort of

looking at the train wreck of the sex crimes and they think that that's the limit of it at Jeffrey

Epstein's empire has been inherited by people who are running our government and world politics

today maybe not directly the way you think of like somebody dies and you inherit your grandpa's car

but pretty pretty close to it there are people out there running parts at Jeffrey Epstein's ideology

and his business people like Jared Kushner who seem to have inherited some of the Middle East

policy and some of the the ideas there people like Steve Bannon who are still informing the

Republicans cryptocurrency the attack on trans people all comes back to Jeffrey Epstein and much of

the way that he was moving and influencing people to the point that this idea that trans people

aren't people comes from Jeffrey Epstein as it was a trans woman who's one of the first people to

accuse him of rape and his idea being trans people are fetishes not people so if they are seeking

civil rights i can't have that because they are fetishes they are not maybe girls they are fetishes

but not everyone thinks in the world of but he did and he had the power to try and tamp down and to

this day it continues this idea to marginalize trans people you notice they never talk about trans

men it's always trans men that these people go after the Republicans go after and legislation

goes after and it's because they are folks that he wanted to fetishize and other people want to

fetishize and not see as real so if it's like how wait you know back in the day people couldn't

imagine that black folks wouldn't be slaves because then there are people and it's like yeah they're

fucking people they were always people same thing with the way they're dealing with trans people

same way with the deal way they're dealing with young women all these people want autonomy they want

justice they want equal place in society as me a wealthy man i can't have that i'm going to tamp it

down every chance i get so it's like the more i learn about his influence to this day

on the heritage foundation on steep bannon on the right wing on the manosphere on cryptocurrency

on geopolitics on russia i'm like it's still happening he didn't die that long ago

his shit is still going on maybe not the sex crimes in exactly the same way

but the ideology and the world that he seek to create this new right wing is not the new

gingrich ted crews right wing of the tea party this is the mega trumpism epstein mega party

republican i mean he definitely seeded a lot of ideas with very influential people and i think

the com he he personally enjoyed the conversations with people of power and when you have that

kind of access and influence those people you are going to influence the national conversation

you are going to influence the way that institutions carry out various practices financial

academia science just even media i mean he had a lot of friends in the media as well he constantly

was talking to reporters all of the time it's i mean it's just what we're living with now and it's

you know they're like oh well they were all democrats back then i'm like yeah they were all

democrats back then and then why did they become republicans they created a new republicans party a

new republican power structure that centered Donald trump jeffrey Epstein's ideals steep bannon

came ridgett let it go all that and elan must the people who were involved in the situation that

the democrats did not look at as equal intelligent or power authorities and over here well we'll just

create a whole new structure it's not that like they they were all democrats and now they're all

republicans why are they republicans and is this truly the republican party of knit romney and

ted crews and new gingrich and george bush or is it a completely different republican party

it is it's maga which was built much in part by jeffrey Epstein's ideology carried out by his

friends who happen to enjoy his island in his play rfk jr they're all connected it is i'm

gonna get killed tara someday someday they're gonna be like uh and that kid's moving me i don't

gonna be like never stop moving me god like why are you telling people these things it's the dyslexia

man you see big picture and then you're like it all makes sense oh i'm stah you know also i don't

think he was a mosaad agent i don't think that um modic and lewinsky was a mosaad agent either which

is the new thing i think mosaad is its own thing and i think jeffrey Epstein was in places of power

i think he was willing to play games with russia willing to play games with israel willing to play

games with whoever was gonna give him power access and let him do what he wanted so i doubt that the

mosaad took time out to like take jeffrey Epstein away and personally train him as a spy so much as

he was a useful asset to many different power players agreed he was a hyper fixer

you know what i'm saying mister yeah for so many people but i'm gonna put you were the triple quadruple

agent he passed on tips to various um you passed on tips to various powerful people including

prince andrew and sold them out um he and he also asked for information from prince andrew um he

passed them on to you know intelligence agencies as you could see from his lawyers asking

the cia and nsa if they could send a proof of affiliation um he went and met with bill bernes when he

was the deputy secretary of state and then now this is like bro was his own his country he was his

own power structure he was his own universe he he wasn't loyal to israel or loyal to russia or

loyal to america he was loyal to himself and whatever that next fix was for him right incredible

now that we've bummed everybody out and got him all worked up goodbye

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free so if you can subscribe do but if not tomorrow's article about steep and it will be free and I

think it's a really important thing to get you just thinking bigger picture and outside what the

mainstream continues to feed to us I think what you're doing Tara is so brave and incredible and

you know we're kind of like working parallel with our friends in the chat no one can be that's all

along yeah there are so many files there's so this story is cannot be owned by one journalist and

that's why I love that it came at this time I actually think it was so fortuitous because like

2019 there was no independent world there was no jmail there was no ai right this happened exactly

when it was supposed to happen and it makes me hopeful I don't think we could have handled this bulk

of information except at this time and I think we'll get the rest of the files and you know

it's amazing so I'm I'm like incredibly proud of the independent universe and everyone here who

supports reporters like us because reporting isn't cheap it takes a lot of time um if you want to

check out my story too it's on um melania and twan bear gloss this photographer and the connection

to Jeffrey Epstein I think if you click through the links you'll see the emails and you'll be

sufficiently creeped and that should you know I oh yeah I know big egg and no one did anything wrong

yeah right that's it okay thanks for coming to our show bye

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