Hour 1: Geno Smith Expectations

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They're going to be along for the ride today, producing the program on this busy, jam-packed

sports Thursday, Bartholomew. How are you, my friend?

I can't complain, man. Kudobatato is a lot of stuff going on. You know, so many moves

made in NFL. You really can't see. All of them were really digested. All of them yet.

The small pieces of contributors that have come in and help out and help you win, go to

the playoffs or win a division. But we're going to try and digest it, go try and project

and see what this thing means going forward and how that affects the draft and where we

stand with the draft and who's winning and who's losing.

You and I, in the last time I think we did the show together a couple of weeks ago,

it was still a pre-free agency, right? So it was basically a lot of speculation. Who's

going to go here? Who's this guy going to sign with? What is this team going to do? Who

are you going to trade for? Now we have the answers to the test. Right. Now we know exactly

who's going where, who's going to be playing for who? Let's start right off the top.

I think the biggest question at least in this neck of the woods was, you know, who's

going to be the quarterback of the Jets, right? There were a lot of options. We throw all

those names out there. They're going to trade for this guy. You can sign this guy, bring

this guy out of retirement. It's Geno Smith, your thoughts.

I mean, I think it was the safe move to make and it's cost-efficient, which is what

you want. Kyle Murray would have cost another $20 million and would have stopped you from

getting some other guys to come here. Cut to spending. Not to have a good team this

year. You know, you think about, you know, still paying Aaron Rodgers, paying Justin

Fields. I'm assuming that he's going to be a post June 2nd release. And then, you

would have to, you know, have that money. That's $60 million for a quarterback and, you

know, you don't have elite play and you're paying $60 million for a quarterback. So Geno

Smith comes here, $3 million. You know, it cost you a swap. The Raiders was willing to

eat that price. And to me, I think it's still. I think he's going to be able to come in.

He's going to be protected better than he was with the Raiders. I think they're going

to lean heavily on running the football. And I hope they get an upgrade at receiver. See,

the thing is, and the dilemma I find myself in is due to Jets, you 16 for the right guard

or the left guard, get an outstanding guard that's going to be here to replace Vera Tucker.

Because Vera Tucker was a player that you drafted. That was everything that he was advertised

to be. But you have to remember, you went and got him in the first round. Right. So

do you go get him in the first round and say, I'll push the, I'll push my quarter, I'll

push my receiver to the top of the first round of second round. Or do they do what they've

done a couple of times? Do they package picks and move back into the first round by giving

one of these late teams extra three or extra four compensatory pick and move up one or two

spots from 33 to maybe 28 or 27. You have a lot of options. And like you said, when you

have all that draft capital, that gives you the flexibility to do such things. And look,

I, I, you know, after you let it kind of digest a little bit and you take stock in it,

I have no problem with the Geno Smith move really. And truly, I don't because I think there's

a couple key elements here. Number one, all right. Not going to be any worse in the quarterback

play you had last year. That's almost damn near impossible. Right. I don't think that

I'm telling tales out of school. I mean, I think any jet fan that's watched that team

play last year, no matter who it was, it was tough sledding number two. Okay. The numbers

that stick out to me are three point three. That's what the Jets are paying Geno Smith

this year. And you know it as well as anybody. Okay. And anybody that watches football to get

yourself a professional legitimate starting quarterback in the NFL in 2026. It's gonna

cost you a hell of a lot more than $3.3 million. So the fact that the Jets were able to make

ends meet and only cost them that. I think that's a win right out of the gates. Well, the

crazy thing is the backup quarterback is going to make more than 3.3. If they go out and

get a win, so they go get a quarterback, they're going right for a quarterback is above

$3 million. Yeah. It's at least like $5 million for a quality backup. My point. So they're

going to do that and allocate some of that money to the quarterback position. And I think

they're doing a smart thing by trying to be competitive and win by trying to show people

in the league that they're going in the right direction. So when you go into the third

year, you hope that you hit your quarterback and you hope that at that point, he's a quarterback

that's a phenom like, you know, well, you can't say like Drake made because Drake made

took a couple years. You can say, Hey, can he, can he come in and give me some, some

Jayden Daniels type of magic? And do we have the team around him that we can be productive

with early on in his career? And we can maybe put a Mark Sanchez type of situation or Joe

Flacco type of situation there. And nobody would say Mark Sanchez turned out to be some

top 10 per radio pro baller, but he was on a team that was ready to win, had veterans,

had good drive picks, had been having two multiple free agencies and it took it to the

FC championship. I don't think anybody's looking, you know, that far down the road, I think

you're just looking for, you know, marginal improvement. I think you'll take that because

the the arrow is pointing up because I don't think you get much lower, right? Well, under

Brett Farve, you were there were 79 and they were the hottest team and I'm not expecting

to be that. I mean, 9 and 7, they were 9 and 7. Well, 97. Well, 97 and Brett Farve got

hurt. They had one of the best records before he tours by set. And you know, you're hoping

that you can do that. You're hoping that, you know, because you can, you have the multiple

first round drive picks that you don't have to absolutely stick to being in striking

distance on a quarterback that you want in the future. Well, you got three first rounders

too. You know, you have that flexibility to where if you have to play like, Hey, let's

navigate the draft board. That's what those draft choices are for. But look, as far as

he's concerned, like with, with Geno in particular, right? Last year with the Raider. I mean,

you think things were tough here. It was a disaster out in Vegas. It really and truly

was. Okay. Think about Pete Carroll. All right. And, and you just started with Chip Kelly.

It's the first thing you have to say. Well, that's what I mean. But it's Pete Carroll's

fault. He put the staff together, right? Like Pete Carroll. And look, I've said this

many times, I'll take the hit four part. I actually thought the Raiders were going to

be a surprise team last year. When I say surprise, like, they're over under was maybe

like five or six. I thought they would win maybe like seven, eight games because you

had a professional Hall of Fame caliber head coach. You know what I mean? And I thought

he wouldn't still a little bit of, you know, exactly. You had Geno Smith. I love the

genty pick. So I thought that team would surprise some people. I really wouldn't be

like an average, you know, tough out each week. Well, one one there in a tough division.

Right. And Brock Bowers got hurt. Brock Bowers got hurt. Look, and, and, and you mentioned

Chip Kelly. Pete Carroll. And this is one of the reasons why he's out of a job one and

done is that he put together a horrible coaching staff. He had to fire two of his coordinators.

He put two of his sons on his coaching staff and two of the worst areas of that football

team. His sons were overseeing his assistant coaches, including the quarterback, including

the quarterback. And I think the offensive line was the other one. You know what I mean?

So like, that's the problem with coach. And when you put your staff together, if you hire

your buddies or dare I say family members, you know what? You got to hold them accountable

just like you would anybody else because at the end of the day, it's going to be your

butt on the line. And that's what happened to Pete Carroll. Yeah. And he's probably never

going to coach again because of that. But you know, he's a Hall of Famer. He's trying

to set his sons up to be in position by, you know, piggyback him with him and pulling

him along. Didn't work out. So they probably won't get opportunities for a while. But this

I am not. I have no problem with Geno Smith. Like Geno Smith, even his first stint here, he

had moments. Sure. He was a long time ago. I mean, let's think about it. It's a long

time ago, right? Like he's developed. He's a better player today than he was when he was

here the first time around. I mean, this is a guy who, you know, isn't that far removed

from having two seasons with the Seattle Seahawksery through for 4,200 yards? Yeah. When was

the last time that happened in the history of the Jets franchise from a quarterback? You

know what I did? When Joe Nameth was the quarterback? Well, it happened twice. It happened.

I think the air and get over 4,000. That was like the second time in history that the

Jets had a 4,000 yard passer. I don't even think he did to be quite honest with him. I think

he did. I think he did. No, he only had 38 97s. We came close. That was also 17 games,

too. So the Jets only had a 4,000 yard passer one time. And Joe Nameth did it. He was the first

quarterback in professional football to throw for 4,000 yards in a season. And that was back

when they played 14 games in the last one to do. Last one to do with the Jets. Think about

it, right? So I mean, like that's how long of a drought. It's been. And look, the other

thing I like about Geno Smith coming into this situation. I mean, look, he hears all the noise.

You're getting a motivated player with a chip on his shoulder. He hates the way things

probably bottomed out in Vegas. I think to a certain degree, and you would probably agree

on me on this. Don't you think that as bad as it was out there and there were so many

people to point the finger at? It seemed like they pointed the finger at Geno Smith for all

the problems they had in Vegas last year. Yeah. Yeah. He had a lot of turnovers, learning

their new offenses, which is never easy. And you talk about a guy like Chip Kelly that

wants you to go fast. So that means not only the quarterback has to process fast, but that

means when teams are coming in a blitzin because they know you're going to go fast, that

means that, you know, that that messes everything up because that mean the quarterback has to process

fast. So that's when mistakes and miscommunications happen, which leads to pressure on the quarterback.

There's not like they had a great offensive line. They didn't have any weapons to throw to that

can get open. And they play in a super tough division when you consider that, you know, at least

six of those games are against Denver, Kansas City and the charges. And the, you know, the bar is

not high either. Right. I mean, think about it. Like we were talking about it before the show

today in our little pre show powwow. And I had to call up some of these numbers. And look,

you and I, we both, you know, cover the jets and watch the games intently. But you almost have

to remind yourself just how bad things got with Justin Fields. I mean, there were games. I mean,

back to back games, Bart. He threw for 45 yards one week. He threw for 46 yards the following week.

And then two weeks after that, he threw for 54 yards. So think about that for a second. And NFL

starting quarterback had a span of three out of four weeks where he threw for no more than 54 yards.

I mean, you would think I'm making that up. But that was real life. Like that happened.

That's almost amazing. If you're running back, if a decent running back had had three games

with under 40 yards, you'd be like, Hey, what's going on? You'd be like, you, you would be like,

like, we got to, we got to, we got to get some juice out of somebody else. And that's just

what it just to follow themselves. So everybody wants to pool pool. But like, they can't tell me a

better signing and the reason that you can't find me a better quarterback that's experienced,

that knows his way in the pocket that has had moments. Like, this is us trying to find Ryan

Fitzpatrick. Right. This isn't us trying to find Aaron Rodgers or Brent Farve. This is us trying

to sign, trying to sign Kirk, I mean, Patrick. I don't know why I'm going to say make me make me make

of this Patrick. That was a good pick. I will get to that one too. But I, and the difference though

is, you know, the year when Ryan Fitzpatrick, Ryan Fitzpatrick was brought in to be a backup,

right? An insurance policy. Geno's brought in here to start. And he's going to have an

opportunity this year. Look, he's going to get the ball. And he's, it's going to be his team,

his offense. And we'll see if he can make the most out of his opportunity. The same opportunity

was given to Justin Fields last year. Unfortunately, it didn't work out. But look, Geno could read

the writing on the wall. He knows where he is at this point in his career. What is he? He's 35

years old. He'll be 36 in October. He realizes he probably only has a couple of more years at this.

So if he goes out there and has a good season this year, we all know that the jets are probably

going to draft the quarterback. If not this year, then in 2027, if Geno goes out there and plays

good football this year, then guess what? He might find himself in the same situation going into

2027 for another team that might be looking for, let's say, that bridge quarterback like the jets

are now. I know people don't want to hear it. But I don't really care. And everybody was trying to

link Carson Wentz with coming here. Yeah. I was signed Joe Flacco. I would sign Joe Flacco with what

Joe Flacco did last year. And if you go get another number, if you go get another number,

two, if you drive Makai Lemon, if you get, if you get Tyson's, Tyson Smith, right? If you get a guy like

that, Joe, yeah, Jordan Tyson, like Joe Flacco can cook. It's different from when Joe Flacco was

here before because he couldn't get protected. I think you want a big arm quarterback that can push

the ball down the field. I think that's what Frank Wright wants. And if you're thinking about backups

for him, I think Joe Flacco has earned the right. And a lot of people think that Joe Flacco played

good football last year. And now you talk about the same concerns that you have with Flacco,

that you have with Geno Smith. He's not afraid to throw the ball into tight windows. And you know,

when he throws intercepts into the bunches. But I think that's, I think that it gets you through

the season. And I think that still gets you seven wins. I don't disagree with your logic. You

know what I'm saying? Like I hear everything you're saying. And I think it makes a lot of sense.

I just don't think it's going to happen, right? But let's just pretend for a second it does.

That might be we have to really go through the history books here. Would that be the first time

in NFL history? Let's say Joe Flacco comes back to the Jets that a team reacquired two guys in

the same offseason who are both going on their third stints with that team. Because Domario Davis is

now in his third stint with the Jets. And then Joe Flacco will be his third stint with the Jets.

Sometimes you can always come home, baby. How crazy is that though, right? Yeah. You can

know, you can always come home. And look, give a, you know what? Give credit to Joe Flacco that he's

still hanging around. And he plays effective enough to team still want it. Like think about it.

Joe Flacco is what? Pushing 40 years of age. And he's going to have a job some place as

somebody's backup quarterback next year. Whereas, and we were talking about this before the show,

he got a guy like Zach Wilson who only has like four or five years under his belt in the NFL. And

there is a better than good chance. He might be out of the league when the season starts this year.

He was a third string quarterback the last two seasons for two different franchises.

That does not bode well for your employment opportunities, right? Yeah.

But it just goes to show you. You do things the right way. And, you know,

you go professional and you're professional and you show that, you know, you can still go out there

and actually know what the hell you're doing and you can pick up a new system and you can adjust

to a new locker room and teammates and all that stuff. You're going to find opportunities for

yourself. And listen, and you talk about just guys being able to digest the system. Guys being

able to regurgitate and pick up stuff and learn the checks, you know, unless you go on Romeo

dolls, which I think he's on a team. I mean, that's kind of what you that's where you at, you know,

me when you when you think about it, you know, you got you got to have guys like that around and

a jet. So just trying to get through just trying to get through indeed eight hundred nine one nine

three seven seven six. So we know that a lot of the attention was spent to the defense as far as

showing that up and bringing him some pieces, leadership veterans, the Minke Fitzpatrick's,

Demario Davis's guys like that. Those are going to be two of your captains next year. We know that.

But the big name that's going to stand out, of course, is Geno Smith here because he's your new

quarterback for the upcoming season. Jets are actually going to deviate from the plan they had last

year. Remember last off season, none of their new acquisitions free agent signings, none of that

stuff did any media in the off season like after they signed that there. So they're going to have media

today's a matter of fact. I think it's at 11 30. They're going to have a bunch of the new acquisitions

do like zooms with the media. So as soon as we get that sound, we will turn that around and play it

for you. So you get the thoughts of some of the new players that are going to be wearing jet uniforms

here. And we'll get into the Giants too because the Giants did a lot of good things and hopes of

turning that program around now with clearly John Harbour at the helm. Let's get some phones up.

809193776. That is the telephone number. We're going to start things off today with our buddy Derek

and Hillside who's batting lead off here on ESPN New York. Derek, how are we doing?

Hey, what's going on guys? Let's get into what the Jets are doing with their all season on

free season. I like a lot of moves they made. Bart, I don't know if you remember last

when you and Carlton asked in the question, would you like to see the Jets do? I would like to see

them make a lot of better moves, a lot of good deals on short-term deals. And that's what they've

been doing so far. I feel like they've built in a great culture of guys to help set up to

mentor the young guy they're going to come have drafted in the next couple of years. You got

two for some picks this year, three next year. And I see what they're doing this year is just

building some culture, building, bringing in guys to mentor the younger guys. And I really like

what they're doing. I like bringing in Geno on a very good deal, only sacrificing a seven-round

pick. I like the deals that they're doing. And I hope that it comes to fruition and they start

winning and being more respectable. Thank you guys. Derek, appreciate the call. And that's

all that's all that's about, right? 100%. And look, this isn't a shock, right? It's not a shock

that they've brought in some reinforcements here. Now they brought in a lot of players and a lot

of them are heavily slated over to the defensive side of the ball as they should because the defense

was among the worst in the NFL last year. They had to change that. And if you think about the

acquisitions they've made already on that sidebar, it's all three levels of the defense. They brought

in linemen, they brought in linebackers, they brought in secondary. There's a lot that needs to be

fixing because that defense was, it was an eye sore last year. There's no other way around it.

Yeah, they had it. I like that they attacked it on three different levels and I like that they're

going to go to a three, four. I think that's going to stop them from being pushed around. I think

they said, hey, listen, we got to make sure that we have guys that look like NFL players getting off

the bus. Yup, right. And you know, we were too small at the second level. We talked about getting

pushed around at linebacker. You talk about getting pushed off the point of attack with guys like

Clemens and stuff like that getting knocked off with double teams and, you know, getting in the

laps of linebackers. You know, so it was good to see them go out and go get swept. Somebody that's

going to sit there and be able to hold double teams. It breaks and Phillips and they got two edge

centers. I mean, they got two edge centers in the outside linebackers that they brought in. And

that's important. I mean, I think I think mission accomplished in listening. I think Aaron

Glenn is saying, listen, if I'm going to go down, I'm going down with enough soldiers with enough

a personnel where at least I can do what I want to do. And they may not be household names. But then

again, Calvin pace wasn't a household name. And neither was Brian Thomas. But they played effective

for us. Neither was Danny DeVito. You know what I mean? Mike DeVito. Mike DeVito. Pooha. You know,

I don't think I don't think Mike DeVito would have done as well in the Jersey Mike commercials.

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soprano. Well, yeah, that's two. What was he? Was he New Hampshire? Mike DeVito. Was that

with his, uh, rode island? He's up. Yeah, New Hampshire. Yeah. New Hampshire. He's up at the

point him and him and Mulligan. That's right. That's right. So yeah, they had a couple of guys from

the small schools up there in New England. Look, I, and let's not forget also, forget about the

guys that, you know, they just, they signed within the last few days. Let's not forget that trade

they made with Tennessee and bringing on to Vandrey sweat. I mean, that is a big body to stick

right in the middle of that defensive line. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, that's from San. So you talk about

they got and then, uh, Oh, Mata, you know what I mean? You know, you got, you got, you got, um,

like I said yesterday, I was talking about it yesterday. You got sweat, who was number four

and run defense. And then you have, uh, uh, Mata, who was, who was 11th. So you got two guys that

great out and then we know what the Mario Davis is coming downhill. Yeah, he's attacking the

machine. Sure was attacking the machine. You know, so guys can run up and then make up this

patch because one of the best center filters and all the game that can come down. I think you can't,

you know, with him, I, I know he got to be like, man, I got, can I get somewhere where I can have

a chance to win? Well, the thing is the thing with Minka. Remember, he, he, he moved back and forth

between the dolphins of Steelers, the dolphins of Steelers, he just keeps going back and forth

with those two teams. Now he comes here, a couple of things with Minka. Okay, remember, didn't

pick off a pass last year and people are looking at that. Well, because they had him play more as a

box safety last year. He wasn't Roman center field. So I'm curious to see how they use him this

season. Um, Duker was down there with him in Miami. And now Dukers here is the defensive coordinator,

even though Aaron Glenn's going to be the one calling the shots. That's number one. Number two,

we'd spend a lot of time talking about Sherwood. And last year was a season for him where, you know,

he became the guy, right? He wore the green dot. Yeah. And have CJ Mosley to rely on anymore. And

obviously there was some mixed results there. Now you have an in essence, another CJ Mosley

asked player in Demariel Davis, who's going to be the quarterback of that defense. Now he'll wear

the green dot. Is that going to help bring out the best in Sherwood? Again, you think in 2026?

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run. Um, front sides going to be covered up by everybody and moving to a three, four, just

creates more space for a lighter linebacker. Anyway, he's going to be to the bubble. Maybe whether

they're an underfront, which puts the nose guard or the, you know, nose guard in the back of the

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Tickets are available now ticketmaster.com slash NYCFC. I forgot that last line that was

part of it there. Didn't you go to a soccer game last year or one of these years or something like that?

I did. I did my daughter. I think Messi was there in in flushing. He's going to be Yankee stadium

on March 22nd. How about that? That would be dope. That would be dope. But you know, that's their

home that that was the end what NYCFCFCFC. Yeah, that's that's their home stadium. I think they're

building their own stadium. Yeah, they're building the one right across the street from city field

there. So like they played, you know, but they kind of like flip flop back and forth between city

field and Yankee stadium because they're like, you know, orphans. Yeah, yeah. And they get

finally getting their own home. You know, you got the Red Bulls here to have theirs. I used to go to

the Red Bulls game every once in a while. That's a sighting place. You know, the soccer fans are crazy

man. It'd be crazy to see what happens, you know, around here with fun, World Cup. But we'll

play Zoom, man. But a lot, but a lot of the the steam has gotten pushed off of it because people

don't want to deal with ice and all that type of stuff. So, you know, tourism, a lot of people

canceling tickets and stuff like that because they don't want to deal with that type of stuff.

Could you imagine coming here visiting and you've you've got your visa and stuff like that,

but then you're getting harassed and people think that you're illegal and audit that can be a lot.

So I think that's going to shadow over the World Cup in North America. But, you know, I suppose,

I think I'm supposed to go to one in Mexico City. Are you going to go to one in Mexico City? Yeah.

In that fun, like, think of the before before before the craziness. I don't know. Well, think

about like that. Like you live in this area, right? I believe at last check, I think there's

going to be eight games total played at MetLife Stadium, which is basically right in your backyard.

One, I'm out of championship too. And one of them is the championship. And you're going to go

the way to Mexico City to catch a World Cup game. Yep. That's crazy. It should be less crazy.

Well, to find crazy. Well, well, I want to see people getting harassed. I get that.

All that kind of stuff. People going to be nervous to come in tailgating and all that stuff is

going to be crazy. The environment's going to be insane no matter where it is. Yeah. But then

those are going to be packed, packed, packed places. But you think about what's going on in the

world right now with the war and stuff like that. I don't know if I really want to be in a big

place like that. You know what I mean? I was just saying for sure. Mexico, Mexico ain't got no

cartel. They got beef with cartel. They ain't got no beef with nobody else.

Right. I mean, that's and you got to get that whole thing strained out because you don't want

them on your bad side. Yeah. World's crazy right now, man. A little bit, a little bit. All right,

let's get some phones up here at eight hundred nine one nine three seven seven six the telephone

over talking football free agency underway, fast and furious. You're getting a little bit of an

idea what these rosters are going to look like next season. Let's say how to our pal Tesson West

called well up next to your on ESPN New York. Tessna, good morning. How are you?

Good morning. Thank you so much for taking my call Barton. Dan, I appreciate it.

Listen, I just do want to say that I'm not questioning, you know, the giants. I'm just inquiring,

you know, I'm just wondering and you guys know that I black out a lot and a couple of years back,

I blacked out real bad about Evan Neil because, you know, when he called us lambs,

a fan and when he said he's a lion, he was Davy Mufasa and you know,

the flippers and all of that. You know, I blacked out real bad because, you know,

and I was like, damn, I never want to see him and we'll live with more. I never want to see

him get him a little slushy and see. So I just, you know, felt very disrespected because it wasn't like,

you know, we were just picking on him. You were hot, muddy, dirty trash and that's how you were

playing. You were a charm style. So at the end of the day, you know, we were speaking facts.

So I understand I said I wanted to stop Paula Ola. I didn't mean with hot garbage again and I

understand he could be better and I understand he probably is better. But for I really want to know

when you're opinion like as a me as a fan, how do I let this go? Like I don't know if I can let it

go and actually cheer for him. You know what I'm saying? Like I just, I don't know, I'm salty. That's

all I'm trying to explain you. Like I'm very salty and I don't feel like he did deserve it because

when he said to us fans and I had chewed it's like, I pay a lot of money for my, um,

see, like I said, it was very cool. Like roll seven, roll six. Like I pay a lot of money. So

I just felt like, I don't know, but like, how do I get past it? I love my team, but I don't know

if I can love him. I get what you're saying, but you have to understand like he was being defensive

and it's a point of weakness. Like you got a guy that's been great his whole life comes to a new

team. New York thinks he's going to take over realized that playing right tackles a lot hard

and playing left tackle. See, that's why I hate when people project playing people in a position

in which they haven't played all their life and just think, oh, don't worry. It's left guard.

It's right guard. Don't worry about it. It's the same thing. It's not. And you know,

you got to think that he was under a lot of pressure. I'm sure that you're probably one of the

more respectful people that talk about him, but I'm sure he's getting stuff. People sliding

to his IG's, people sliding on social media, people just attacking him. So, you know, he's just

swung back and I'm sure that he wished that he can just could have ate it and been more mature,

been a bigger person, but sometimes it's hard. So, I mean, I can't judge him on what he,

what he did three years ago. I only can judge him see if he'd learned and grew from that.

He's, look, he's going to get an opportunity, but they gave him an opportunity in the past to

win one of those guard spots after they moved them off tackle and he couldn't do that.

So, yeah, because that's still a different position. It's a matter of what you say. Like you

sitting in there and it's a guy sitting right on top of you. He's not outside of you. You know,

I'm saying he's inside of you. He's head up. He's outside of you. That is different footwork,

different things that you have to do. And that's what I'm saying. If Evan Neal, when he leaves

the giant, I would love to see him just get an opportunity to play the position that we saw him

dominating college. Can I tackle? You know, we were talking about this before the show.

If you would have asked me before all the free agency and stuff got underway, I'll give you a guy

who wasn't exactly popular among the his team's fans. Okay. I'll give you one from each team.

Evan Neal for the Giants. Michael Clemens with the Jets. Yeah. If you would have asked me

which one of these two had a better chance of ending up back with that team again, I would have

said Michael Clemens because I it's just what you know this. I mean, it's like Michael Clemens. I

still am not going to believe that he's not a jet until I see him run out on the field in that

cult uniform in in September. So I was surprised he's not I'm surprised he's not a tight or that

that's where all the former, you know, solid guys go, but it's crazy. He got good. He got decent money

to 16. Dude, I couldn't. It's like, it's like, wow. It's almost like when Ken Law, when he got paid

15 million dollars to go play with the commanders, he's like, are they watching the same game?

I'm watching. Well, that's I mean, here's the thing and I know that this isn't an Indianapolis show,

but I'll say this anyway, like that, that's where the cults have lost me. They've lost me a lot

over the last several months given Michael Clemens almost $17 million, given Alec Pierce,

what the hell they paid him, like he's some legitimate bona fide number one wide receiver,

giving Daniel Jones his injury prone to his, the money they gave Daniel Jones and oh, by the way,

they gave up two first round picks to the jets for a certain player that we all know and

thankfully they did that, but like, where is that program going in Indianapolis? How he's not fired.

It's amazing. And almost gave Daniel Jones $5 million, gave up two first round drive picks for

the sauce, gave Daniel Jones a hundred million dollars down there. Alec Pierce, what they pay,

you would think Alec Pierce is frigging Marvin Harrison the way they paid him. I never had a thousand

yards receive and never had over 50 yards, uh, 50 receptions. I can't get it, but this guy is

Chris Ballard is living on borrowed time down there. That's what I'm trying to say. I'm like,

coach is going to be coaching for his job this year and they're not doing him any favors.

And oh, by the way, think about it. This is the same general manager that five minutes ago,

five minutes ago, woefully, woefully overdraft that Anthony Richardson with the fourth, fourth

overall pick. Oh, yeah, that's right. Right. I mean, like, think it, like, it is amazing to me.

It'll be lucky to get a fourth back. And this is a team like, we were joking about this earlier.

Do you remember, I don't know, like, almost, I would say seven, eight-ish weeks into the season

last year. There was a team that like, a lot of people would consider to be like, at that time,

the best in each conference. And neither one of those teams ended up making the playoffs.

Indianapolis and the AFC, because remember, they got off to that like crazy start midway through

the season. And you thought that the the hour was pointing up and all that stuff, they were like,

the best offense in the sport. And then the Lions and the NFC, like, we just trusted in the Lions.

Neither one of those teams ended up in the playoffs.

It's crazy year last year. It's very crazy. Superbow, Superbow had the Patriots in the Seattle Seahawks,

man. But just show, it's a long year too. Like, and even though you think you know all there is to

know about a team like eight, nine weeks in, it shows you really don't. Yeah, I mean, things happen,

people get hurt, people don't play well. And, you know, it's been a lot of crazy to just go to the

Matt Crosby thing was crazy to me. I mean, it's just been, it's been some craziness already.

And the big dogs happening really, really got picked up yet. Like, we'll see what happens.

We'll see if somebody continues to try and trade for Max Crosby. Let's see what happens with

somebody like the briskers guy. I like briskers. You know, I mean, it's still value still out there.

It's not a white teller who's out there. I mean, this is a full offensive lineman. Yeah, I think

he'll wait for a while. Like, the jets pick up somebody yesterday, man. It's like from Chicago.

And it's like, I can't. Well, they picked up the, they picked up a new left guard part from the

Raiders, which think about, so think about that for a second. The jets now have one of the Raiders

starting offensive lineman from the last few years. And they have the Raiders starting quarterback

from last year in Geno Smith. But I got no problem with the Dylan Parm thing for left guard because

it's a two year deal, but the way the money is structured, it's a one year deal. It's a one year

deal. And if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. And that's not to say that they still can't

go out and address that in the draft either. I mean, people said, like, John Simpson was so bad,

last year, I didn't see it. I'd saw him get some penalties and some over aggression.

But I think he was bad. And I thought the year before he was excellent. John, and he,

and he took the field every single week. And you know, it's so funny about it, too. Like,

go back two years ago when the jets signed John Simpson as a free agent from the Ravens. People

were ripping that to shreds. Oh, he's not that good. And they looked at all the PFF grades and all

that stuff. And it turns out in the last two years, the guy was one of the more reliable guys.

You had on your offensive line. I thought so. I thought he was the leader. I thought he was a tough

guy. And I knew that I knew that the Ravens were going to take him back. And it's like crazy because

now you got, you know, I call it the Ravens North. When you think about what's going on with

what's a giant sure. And I heard that they want to break down you for lay lay up here. Man,

you talk about one of the hated most hated Ravens and the history of of the team. I know.

People could not stand him because you know why I played left tackle. We couldn't play there.

He was, you remember, he came from Minnesota. He's a massive man. Six eight. Yeah. They were going

it. It was, he was kind of filling in and going with, uh, Stanley. That didn't work out.

And then, um, you know, I mean, when he worked with Stanley, they moved him to Garth thing.

Ah, he's six eight. He's three hundred. And guys, we'd run it over going around him.

And the Marjack's running for us down life. He had a great senior bullet here too. I remember

that, that week when he came out, um, that might have even, that might have been the year.

I have to go back and check where like the jets and the lions coaches were the two

staffs coaching down in mobile at the senior bowl. And, and that was when Daniel was down there.

And like I said, he was six eight coming out of freaking Minnesota. He was a beast on that field.

And it's just, it's, it's amazing. It hasn't worked out for him. Max Crosby. I don't know if you

saw this. It was, um, I guess like late last night, he tweeted out, everything happens for a reason.

Believe nothing, believe nothing you hear. And half of what you see, I'm a rater. I'm back.

Run that bleep. Okay. That's got to be a little awkward. Don't you think though? Yeah,

but it's like, all right, whatever you're going, are you still, I would tell if I'm him,

I want to know, are you guys still trying to move me? Or am I here? Like, uh, the rater said,

they're going to honor all the moves that they made. I bet everybody's talking about the theory

like, man, the Ravens is like, man, hold up. Y'all, y'all gonna take two first round draft picks

for us and then grossly overpay our center. So we can't get them. No, all right. I got you.

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Here's what bothers me about the Max Crosby thing. Right. I don't necessarily believe the cost of

what he's going to sit there and try to tell you like he did yesterday. I just don't. I think what it

came down to it when push comes to shove. I think he got a little bit scared when diving into the

Max Crosby medicals, which I mean, look, everybody knew he had surgery. I don't know why that would

scare them off. But I think the more they slept on it part, I think he just didn't want to part

ways with those two first round picks because think about it. They lost a lot of guys. You look at

that roster. It's not exactly fortified to where it was even at the beginning of last season where

we thought that that Ravens team could go to a Super Bowl. And he's thinking to himself, I can't

afford to part ways with two first round picks. Like I need to start bringing in some cheap

cost control talent on this team. Well, I think that's part of it. But I think also it's part

of it is they took Linda bomb and overpaid him when everyone trying to use that money that they

had left to resign him. And they say, well, now we have more money because I think I have to see

what Crosby's making compared to what they pay tray Henderson, which turns out to be pretty much

28 million dollars a year when you when you kind of put it all together. It could be 120. But

I didn't see what the guarantees were for for tray either. I didn't see that. It's like 60. So

is it 60? And I mean, look, when when push comes to shove, Max Crosby is a better football

player than tray Hendrickson. I don't I couldn't go. I couldn't say that. I'm not even close.

tray Hendrickson. You think tray Hendrickson is stout against the run. He's more stout than he can be

more stout against the run. The Jets. You remember the like basically the best game the Jets

had on offense last year. They ran at tray Hendrickson the entire day. Yeah, remember he had

surgery the next week because he he came in missing two games off of that hip. Yeah, he was but

still you know, no, no, no defender. That is not true, bro. He's not a good run defender. Bro,

last year, he didn't he wasn't supposed to play in a game. He was hurt in a hit in a hit in

a hit him in the hip. He is way bigger than Max Crosby too. But Max Crosby, I think is a better

role around. No, no, no. And tray Hendrickson, absolutely. It's not even close. Hell no. You see,

you you mix him athletic system because he's skinnier. Who's had who's had the most sacks in the

last three years? I don't sense a pass rush. I do. I took the production is not going to be

questioned. He he's stout against the run too. Like last year he only he had five sacks in like

first three games and then he got hurt. And then he finally decided to have season in his surgery

and he missed training camp. That's the tray Hendrickson that you got six four two sixty five

is listed. I Crosby is six five two fifty five. Right. There we go. But what I'm saying is like

he's now, but he's not they ran out of last year because he because he was hurt. He couldn't

he couldn't protect himself. And he has season season. He was all banged up, but I totally remember

it. But I mean, I I do not think of tray Hendrickson as some guy that I got to worry about in terms of,

you know, he's going to chase me down on the fizz ain't Lawrence Taylor out there like chasing

it down from sideline to sideline either. You know what I mean? Like see you see once again,

you you mix it up. He he gets a lot of sacks. He gets hustle sacks. He has 17 17. Like other than

Miles Garrett, nobody has had more sacks than him. And he's been underpaid. I I agree. He's

almost been underappreciated, but you could be like let's say a real good pass rusher, but not

somebody who's considered like a just like a dominant two way, you know, let's say, you know,

edge player. He says the edge. He's trust me. He says the edge brother. And I would know because I

have to pay attention. We got the same agent. So I have to watch him and study him. And I'm not

just fluffing them up because because we got the same agent. Like he's been a he's been a pro

baller all pro for like the last, you know, he's got I bet you he has more all pros in the

crossby. All pros. Let me see. Crosby's got one two. Got two. Let me see what Trays got.

Stand by. Trays. Yeah. He has to have one. That's crazy. Do do led the league at NFL with sacks

two years in a row. I know. Yeah. I mean, you're going to tell me, but you know, they they vote

unfortunately. If you if you got the same agent, text the agent, find out how much the guarantees

are for Tray Hendrickson. It's like 65. Here's the thing. Look, I'm not sitting here. I don't want

to like throw cold water on him. Like I like him as a player. Don't get me wrong. He produces.

Like I thought if you remember right. He has a lot. And a lot of fans remember the what was it?

The office? He wanted to come to the jet. Well, that's the thing. He lost and they begged my agent

bag the jets to take and who did they sign instead? Lawson. There you go. Carl Lawson. So when

they Carl Lawson came here, they took the the the bangles like, okay, we'll sign Tray Hendrickson

from the Saints because people thought he was just he don't wear gloves. Yep. You know what I'm

saying? You know what I'm saying? He looks like a farm boy. You know what I mean? And is

ironic, right? Like the jets take Carl Lawson from the Bengals. The Bengals sign Tray Hendrickson

from New Orleans. And I think we know who got the better without my agent with when I say

bagging. He's like barks. It's up. Tell him again, man. Tell him, man. I'm like, man,

they ain't doing nothing, man. Dude, Carl Lawson was like the incredible Hulk, but like,

unfortunately, he just couldn't stay on the field, man. Yeah. One year. He was like a he was like a

swole version of Bryce Huff. Yes. That's a great call. Yeah. One move, but he had crazy, crazy

muscles. He and he was having a real good kid. And remember, then he tore his ACL or his Achilles

rather at Green Bay when they were doing the joint practices during that first training camp.

So he missed that whole first season. Then the next year, he tried to get back. And then the next

year, it looked like he was primed for a big year again. And then all of a sudden, he had like

back issues or something. And yeah, it's just bad. It was bad, bad, bad, bad. David and Elizabeth,

we're going to say hi to him. He's up next year on ESPN, New York. Hello, David. How are you?

What a man. What a mad backer. What up, though? Yo, mad back.

It's nothing much. Yo, mad back. I got done dirty by my boss yesterday, man. She did me dirty,

bro. I'm cool. What happened? Ah, she parted with me, man. They parted with me. You know,

what they told me? They told me they don't want my services. No more. No, no, no, no, come on,

Dave. Why did that happen? They say you watch your services. No. Yeah. Part of ways. They

even need me, bro. That's it. I'm not every deal, though. They say they they've resigned.

They've been Neil. They say, man, you're going to do this to me. Go do this to me. I can't go.

Exactly. You know what I told you? I was about to flip the desk like, you know, I mean,

when he's like, you're cheating. Yeah. You're going to show me the damn respect I damn

deserve. You went, you went, you went, you went crazy Joe Clark on him. Exactly. That's what I'm

going to tell peanut to, um, I'm going to Aaron Glenn because, you know, uh, that's how his

career is going right now with the jet. You want to jump? You're a small crack. Don't get

killing your brain cells. Son is killing your brain cells. Now if you want to do it, you want to kill

yourself. Do it as predictiously. They used to call me crazy Joe. Now they call me Batman.

Not exactly. Yeah. You know, it's crazy. When you guys see Aaron Glenn, you have to be like,

sing the school song. You know, the school song, don't you? I want you to sing me the

school song. That's a great movie. That movie. So box office man. I'm going to be honest with

your gentlemen. So as far as sports and our jets, um, it's just honestly, like Bart said, like

a lot of people are, you know, pointing the finger at you, you know, saying, bad, like, look,

I'm not on board with an hundred percent, but he's more comfortable than Justin feels and

he'll have a better line in front of him. Obviously, he'll have some decent weapons. Like,

Bart said, who was he throwing through? He was throwing to nobody but Myers and then with Myers

not treated, Ron Bowers came back. He couldn't get that going because everybody's doing

the game plan for it. So he'll be all right. I just hope that as a team, we go for

Bailey instead of Reese because what Bart is saying is a hundred percent correct. You're projecting

him. Oh, yeah, he could be Michael Parsons. That don't mean he's going to be Michael Parsons,

bro. It doesn't mean that. Like, let's do what you know. Like, for example, you see, I believe

he led the college in double digits stacks, right? Let's get him over there. And we're

McDonald is the defense going. And then, you know, at 16, hopefully they get a receiver prime time

offensive weapon. And then we'll figure this quarterback thing out next year. And that's not

gonna see what I got to say, man. I appreciate you, gentlemen. We're good again tomorrow.

Dave, appreciate you, man. As always. You know what else is surprised in last year about the

Raider situation? And this was one of the reasons why I was drinking the cool late a little bit and

thought they would be a little bit better. Like, what was the point of investing that high in a

running back pick with Gentie? And there was just like weeks where they forgot about him, man.

Like, they just like forgot about him. He should have been the centerpiece of their offense.

Yeah. And like, it took him a while. The people were starting to call him a bus. Yep.

I mean, you drive that guy. And that's why I feel like the marriage of Pete, the head coach,

all those years in Seattle when he had Marshall and they ran the football. You know what I

thought that they were going to make this due to workhorse. And he was literally like MIA on most

of those weeks. I mean, yeah, no Brock Bauer. You would think that, you know, you would hand him

the ball. Then they got rid of Myers. And it's like, man, Dave was just trying to be talking about

trying to make it through. They actively was trying to get the first overall pick. And they got it.

They got it in Giants. Thanks to the Giants. And thanks to the Giants. Absolutely.

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