Hour 2: All About the Hair

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1:00Because I'm more than a mayor. Ain't nobody seeing good morning. Oh, yeah, we don't people saying you guys go to bed. Go to sleep. Marin on ESPN Radio and on the ESPN app. Smith, Marin here on ESPN Radio. Join by our guy, Herm Edwards, on the start of the NFL season. This is next good morning America appearance. How does that? I started next week when I come into Bristol, I guess that's when I scheduled. So we'll find out what's happening. I love it. I'm gonna tell my mom. My mom watches good morning America. She's glad to see my good friend. Next Sunday. I'm on next Sunday. I'm coming on. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Modesty theories. ��. Sicherness for it. masculinity. Whoops. And so this is the world's truth that now we're these also known. Smoking skeletons areства.

2:00We're doing something that doesn't believe the Corona. No, she does. It literally I make the history of up to a few other animals with their hands on and what were the- It wasn't just the inspires the series sports or otherwise that you believe in. Whoa. You got really getting paint, eh? We are getting deep, ah-bird. Man. I don't want to get off. You know, that's true. As I said, because then all of a sudden, the Pope will be pulling up a lot. There you go. I get it. You believe in why the police? Why the police coming to our house? Where did you stay on the radio? So you believe in us? You believe in ones that might get the Pope going. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Come on, man. Yeah. You don't want to talk about that. We're talking about this all for you. Yeah. That's a go pay betrayal. That's a good southern thing. Say Pope, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to go pay betrayal. That's a good southern thing. Say Pope and Pokey. That's the thing. That's how you know you got some Southern Indian. All right, Herm, let's start. We got the first game of the year tonight. Seahawks and the Patriots. I said during the first segment that I thought the Seahawks were oddly kind of.

3:02I don't want to say disrespected, but underrated. They're essentially bring the same team back as last year absent. They're running back and yet they're not even the favorites to win their division. And do you think they're kind of a little disrespected? You know, I think that comes in the fact that can the quarterback Sam Donnell, you know, can he do it again? When you think what led this team last year, although they were pretty good. I mean, people don't realize what they score 28 points again, offensively, but defensively, point wise, they were the best in football. We're only giving up 17. So, you know, that, that is a little bit probably mixed in there, you know, because going, okay, we're all, you know, we think we know everything, because we're on radio and television, and we're supposed to know everything. Who would have told you where Sam Donnell went to Seattle, see all that they were going to football? Nobody, nobody, nobody. Right, there you go. So, I mean, you know what I'm saying? So they're saying, can Sam Donnell do this again?

4:05We'll see, and this is why they're in a division, where that division they play in is pretty dead gum good. When you think about the 49ers, talk about the right now, the Rams are the favorite to go to the Super Bowl, right? I mean, that's what everybody's saying. Is that what you think? Is that what you think? Oh, that's pretty good now. Yeah, they're pretty good. Very good. I mean, if you do, if you do the math, okay, now they have to happen. They're going to score about 30 points again. That's what they did last year. Now they get Donald Benner, you know, unfair. You're talking about a team now that's going to be 60 plus sacks, and you're going to be playing from behind, probably in the middle of the third quarter. Well, what does that mean when you play from behind, you got to throw it. Now you're playing right into the Rams hands, with them guys like to rush the quarterback, right? So being arrested. How much emphasis, coach, did you put on the first game? There's obviously, you know, these two teams faced off in the Super Bowl, you know, Patriots, you're on the road, you want to get that win after a loss.

5:07How much emphasis did you put on the first game of the season? And do you think that actually can set the tone for what happens the rest of the year? Well, if you win, you feel pretty good about it because you've waited all off season, you know, to play this game. Now, obviously, if you lost your last game, because whether it be the Super Bowl or your last game of the season, you know, that's the patient, every mile, you know, last time we played, we lost. Now it's a new year. Not you won. Then you're excited, you know, but look, it'll get we talked about this for a while. You you really not going to know your team until at least four weeks in, right? Yes, we talked about the Red Army. Everybody where baseball has an own precedence. Yeah, you don't like the first year. You don't believe anything in the first week. No, I just think it says and 10 new coaches, head coaches, that's 30 new coordinators. Yeah, that's 30 coaches, 30 new ones. How do they how do they coach on the side like in the game? Well, go find it.

6:07Yeah. Let me ask you about the game tomorrow night. It's in Australia. So I as a head coach, I they put the 49ers got there a week in advance. The Rams are in the air as we speak, I believe, about to land. If you were the coach, which strategy would you wanted to have used? Go down there and get acclimated or just fly and come right back. No, I would have got acclimated. Yeah, no, I wouldn't. I know if they lose, I mean, that's every regular table coach, you can give them a chance to win, right? We've only going flying the day before the game. I mean, coach, you can't do that. But he's doing it and if they win, they, no problem. But they lose. That's all they're going to talk about, right? Yeah. Have you ever been to Australia, coach? I've never been to Australia. I feel like you would be pan and played, been to Germany and played. You know, when we went to Germany, we actually played in the Olympic stadium. When you played it, you okay, hang on, just a second. Did you play in Japan? What was in Japan?

7:07Oh, yeah. Game. Well, I figured that out. But there was a, I didn't know there was an NFL game in Japan. No, I went, no, I went there in college. Oh, wow. That used to be a college all-star game. The guys that, I do remember that. The East West, the college of Japan bowl. And it was the East West game. And the guys from the East West game on all the, all the, all the way out here on the West Coast. Both of the team went over there and played in Japan. So what was the, when you landed in Japan, were you like, I mean, that had to be a college. That's a big shock, didn't it? Oh, yeah. I mean, you're, you know, you're a college guy. And the last thing you thought you're going to play football in Japan. Yeah. You're over there and you're trying to figure all that out. Yeah. It was, it was fun. It was fun. Wait a minute. I don't know. Coach, was that laugh about some trouble? Y'all got into it. Yeah, wait a minute. Was that that laugh? That was that sounded like I have with some memory. Did y'all get it? Just some stuff down there. I'll tell you some stories off the air.

8:08We got a lot of off the air. That's how we need to do. Get, get out of here. Aaron Donald, the announcer, Rams announced that he's an actor for the first game. They want him to sort of ramp up and prepare for the rest of the season. How would you handle this situation with Aaron Donald? When did you want to see him if you're the Rams after a two year layoff? Well, I mean, you know, he's going to ramp it up. I would think by week two or week three. Is that the deadline? Would that be the deadline for you? Like would he have to be out there by week three? I would like him to start playing. And but I would tell him in the beginning, hey, Big fella, your rotation of player. In a game, when you, you, he playing more than 25 snaps. We might want to do more. And I said, you don't want to play 25. That's it. So I get you going to be on third down. You'll be in big situations two minutes. You know, just read. He's on internet. And I'm not playing about 30 snaps in a football game. Period. Why?

9:09I don't need to rest it. You just want to play off a Russia. Yeah, disruptor. Yeah, big downs. I mean, I'm not going to play him every snap. Would you, would you worry though? Herb, I mean, he obviously has earned it as a hall of fame. I wanted a great defensive players. The special treatment. Like do you have to treat every player the same way or do you get to treat a guy like that? Maybe a little differently. Here's my rules and players understand this. And some coach told me this when I was a rookie, he said, look, I'm going to treat everyone fair. I'm not treating everyone the same. Okay. And I think you're doing life, right? Yeah. We're fair. We don't treat everybody the same. No, some of us get to get some of us get to go on good morning America. And some of us don't like that. It's the way it goes. Yeah, we go. I've been on show. I've been on show. We treat everybody the same. Yeah. That's the truth. You think you think you think you can advocate for my iron and I to go on good morning. I've already been on good morning America. When were you? I was on good morning America three years ago. Doing what? They interviewed me for a thing that had happened to embassable.

10:13Okay. I've been on good morning America. He's got to get into the club. So if you want to pull some things for him, I've already been on it. But he said he's one of those guys one time done. You don't think I would fit in with Robin Roberts. I'm just saying it's it's it's it's it's whole season for me. Yeah, he's I heard things and say he's like we got weekly. He's always on like he got to get into that. Well, maybe maybe one day I can get on. Let me ask you about a couple quarterbacks that have a lot to prove this year. Let's let's start with CJ Straub. Lot to prove. Is he going to have the end of year four? Am I going to put CJ Straub back in the top 12 quarterbacks? Or is he going to be a middle of the packer for the rest of his career? I would hope so. But you're right. I mean, wow. Now, I mean, look, he don't have to do a lot. He's got a super bowl defense there with us. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. I have to do a whole lot. Just don't screw it up. Right? It's just something messing up.

11:14But you're right. I mean, for a guy with his talent, you would think the numbers would look a little bit better. But you know what? Hey, they went to division and all of a sudden, you know, he's okay. He wanted division again. What do you guys know? I mean, numbers ain't real good, but okay. Would you pay him? Would you have paid him right now going into the season or would you make him wait? I think you pay him, you know, he's a party. Yeah, I think you pay him. I mean, I say that and there's seven quarterbacks coming out, but you ain't going to be in line and drag one of those guys. No, you still got a good football team. I mean, you're going to be, you know, you're going to be a playoff team. I mean, last time I checked it, who don't, who won that division? No, I mean, it's going to be them or Jacksonville. Right. Yeah. And now I know he's your, I know he's a guy you're very close to. It's also a big year for Jayden Daniels. I mean, I think yeah. So, so what, where do you see him this year? Well, I think he's going rebound and he just got to stay healthy. I mean, that that's so, you know, I mean, that's that's limited, you know, you know,

12:18he played what seven games last year, but he's got to stay healthy. I he's excited about this season. So I think if he plays well, I still worry a little bit about, about he has, I hope the defense is better because it's not going to put a lot of pressure on him, you know, when you feel like, oh boy, we got to, you know, we got to score because the defense can't stop anybody. You know, we can't hold them. And so they're in a good division. I say, now that's the one I talked about about the two weeks, what you got? I think if both teams were up there in potential, every team in that division was at least 10 games. They, that's a lot of you know, you don't believe that. Well, you don't believe that about the job. So you know, okay. Okay. Okay. Let me ask you a question. Eagles. Okay. I mean, I can't wait. Cal boys. Whoever asked a question last three or four years, they win at least 11 games. Yes. All right. They're in. Okay. The Dallas Cowboys. I'll give you the offense super bowl offense. Got you. Super bowl offense. Yeah. Okay. Even test to be better.

13:18They would they would I try to fix the defense. Okay. Washington with J.V. was a real key. Yeah. What they do. That layer of me, Tantal injury doesn't scare you on the offensive line. No. And giants. You think Harbohl and those guys are going to be better in the hubbohl? Better, but I don't know that the personnel is that much better. Not a Jackson Dart believer. I watched him a lot in college. I just don't buy. I mean, if I see it, I mean, I felt the same way about Bonix and he and he played well. So we'll have to see it. Got to be better. I don't know if he has a better personnel. Got to be better. We see it better. You first. It's got to be. You got patching my homes who is coming off this major injury. And some of us clear to play. I mean, that was a time. Go to your remember you didn't just come back after an ACL. And we're ready for the following season. Apparently he's ready. Do you put restrictions on the homes? If you're under read, are you limiting the playbook? Are you telling them the first couple of weeks to take care of himself? How would you treat this guy knowing the way he plays?

14:21Well, I mean, well, they already did it. They went out and got the runner, right? Yeah, they're the Walker. He went to get the runner. Yeah, Walker, right? There's no going back to Andy's roots. They're going to run the ball. They're going to be a more running team, more of a play action team. Take a little bit off his plate, let him get through the first month. I think of a football and then see where he's at. But Ken Walker is a big deal now, guys. I mean, he, he, he, he, he, they deal. Andy wants to run the football. He's going to throw the game that takes a lot of pressure off patching my homes. And we're good. And just we don't play that way the first month. And just let him, let him get where he doesn't have to throw 40 passes again. And all that stuff. Remember people's designs, so we just stay in the game and run the football. All right. I'm going to finish with this and you don't even know I'm doing this. But I feel like this is something that you can do. I feel like herm, you're a well-traveled man, aren't you? Oh, oh, I've been to a few places. He's been a few places. All right. So I want to add this maybe a recurring segment during the year. Herms travel tips. I'm going to give you, I want to get you to give me a place that you think is a great

15:25place for people to visit. And over the course of the year, people can kind of figure out their vacation routes. I like that. Through where her med words likes to go. So herm, give me spot one. Herm Edwards, you want to visit this place. Herms travel tips. I like that. Okay. Now, now we, the only reason I travel a lot was during football. Yeah. I took some somewhere. You need to go get on a plane and go somewhere and not so much. Right? Yeah. I tell you my favorite place. All right. Can't screw it up. You can't screw it up. It's a wide. Yes. You go to one of my little wife. I don't know what man. You know what? It's funny. When that plane lands and you hit the ground and you walk out and you feel that air. It's just like, wow. Okay. And you know what? Know what everything he's in the whole. Very easy. Yes. Right. Beautiful. I mean, every other river for people. They greet you. It's relaxing. Always smiling.

16:26It's like, this is amazing place, man. Yeah, you can't screw that up. Hey, what are you golfing in a wire? Are you in the beach? Are you going? Oh, I got you to look off and now. Yeah, golf. You can go to the water. You go. You can do what man look at. For me, that's the best one for me. I tell my wife all the time, why don't we go back to why? I like it. You know, I give you a bunch. Yeah. Yeah. I've been there a bunch. But it was just football reasons, right? But, um, what do one year we went over? You remember what that? When when, uh, when the became her, why was it? I know that. Gigger. Can you tell this story? I was getting this. Yeah, there we go. If it isn't on a story, because, no, well, well, well, well, what year we have? We had Randy. We had over and it malls, right? Oh, in Hawaii. You know, why they're playing two D-faces. You know, you play man and you know, that's it. My, my, my Zit and cover three. Yeah. And that's all TV. I said, man, come on, man.

17:27Just keep going. Go out to Randy. I'm going to be fine. And the pro bowl is easy, easy. You can do that in a foul too with him. Well, all right. You can vote, Kate and all that stuff in a battle. Or, you know, but the problem is big or big. You got to play. Hawaii, herm. There you go. I appreciate it. See you. Uh, we will talk to you next week. Tell my good friends a good, put in a good word for me. Good morning, America. I can hang with Michael Strayhand. Yeah. I got you. I'll be good too. I appreciate it. Matt Meierns presented by Progressive Insurance. Make sure your family is well taken care of with life insurance. Protect your phones, your laptops and more with electronic device insurance and cover your furry friends pets with pet health insurance. There you go. You have a furry friend? I don't have any pets. No, I don't have a, I want to get a pet. I want to get a dog. I think I'm getting a dog. You think you be a good dog person? I've been watching videos. I think I could watch video. Like I just don't know. I don't know how it takes. People say if you want to treat a dog or a child,

18:28well, just watch a video and like it'll be fine. I don't know how long it takes to train them. Does God do it in like a week? I don't know. I don't know. I didn't watch the video. I don't know how long it takes. If it's more than a week, I can't do it. What did the video say? Uh, it was like you can train them. If you have certain hand signals, okay, they'll respond to you. Did you learn them? Show me a hand signal. This you put your hand up like this. Are you sure it's not just a stop sign? No, and the dog like the dog, it sees you as the, as your, as the master. So it will, it will, it will kneel. Right. I don't think it sees you as a master. It's just because you're the one that gives it food. That could be. That's impossible. I haven't even seen the video. I don't know. Matt and Marin, the podcast. I believe in science. There are the people in agreement. One person writes in a math. 70 years old. There've been never thought to text a radio show or call until today.

19:32Listening to Marin, I can't believe that man is serious about conspiracy theories. I guess he thinks big foot is real. No, big foot's easier to fake. Like big foot is, that's not, that's not a thing. Valions aren't. Listen, man, all these people are lying. Yes. Every person who's ever had an encounter with an alien. Yes. Over the history of the world is lying. Yes. How by saying lies because people like you will believe them. No, I, stuff's been here, man. All right. One person says, Matt, I'm just discovering you all. That's one of the things we have to remember here. Is there's a ton of people who turn on the radio. Yeah. And they're just discovering. Yeah. As a matter of fact, there was a thread on the Reddit for a Dan Levittar. Do you remember him? Yeah. He, he, he, you see, while he was here one time, like he had a show. I think he sat in here, right? He and, he and the boys, the Stu gotses and that they were in here. And, and they have a Reddit thread. And they had a thread the other day. I guess some of their fans don't, don't like Levittar anymore.

20:34And they were like, you know, who's the new, if you like Levittar back in the day, you'll like Matt and my and I saw it. And I was very, I, that, that was cool. It came up on my algorithm and I thought, hey, that's kind of neat. That's pretty cool. That it, that, it's cool. And I think it'll be people would lean in more if you considered some of my ideas, like aliens. I'm not saying you got to believe in them. Yeah. But at least say it's possible. I, I won't. But anyway, this person says, uh, so we got to remember there are new people. He says, you two are a hoot to me. Matt, no one can talk the, with the voice you do every day in life. What does that mean? No, no one can, no one can talk with the voice you do every day in life. And myron is like everybody's little brother that says crazy things, but you can't help but pat him on the back. Is that how people see me? I don't, I say, I don't say crazy things. I say, I take risks like that Austin 316. I take your, I take risks, man.

21:34I'm just, that's a great hat. By the way, we have it. You can't hate on that show photo shoot today. So they brought us in for a photo shoot. And I, I find that kind of thing weird because I don't really know what to do with my hands. Okay. Right. Cause I got in the photos. I end up doing this thing where I put them on my waist. Okay. Van a white. No, I end up, I end up doing where I kind of put on my waist and I almost end up like sticking one hip out like, like what you think? Think about that. I tend to do it now. Okay. But that's much better than mine because mine has to do a thumbs up or like a, a peace sign. He can't just stand there. Like he's, you, you feel the need to add some sort of. Yeah. Why do you do that? You just don't, you don't like just being normal. It's instinct. I don't like, I don't like my hands just sitting there. Like I feel like a photo is an opportunity. Like a hundred years from now, somebody's going to find these photos and I want them to find me throwing up the peace sign and they want to know I was all about peace and you don't

22:36like it. I'm like a foot tall. So you don't like when I put like my arm on your head or your shoulder. Do you feel like that's a masculating? No, it's just I don't, I don't like nothing on my head. Like no one in the world. Like don't, don't touch my head, right? But then you, you do the thing where in photos, you look down on me like I'm five foot two and you're six foot nine. I mean, I'm a foot tall. Yeah. But you look, you're not a foot tall, but you look down on me as if you're like, Oh, I don't know. They made people that and I don't like that. That bothers me. I understand. Well, I tell you what else somebody that gets bothered. I think Bryce underwood, you know, sometimes we forget these athletes are not on like we think athletes pay attention to the stuff that we pay attention to. But oftentimes they're just in their own world, right? They're in college. They're doing their own thing. So it was a big story earlier this week when Michigan's head coach said they asked if Bryce underwood was still going to be this was the starter and he basically said for now. Yep.

23:36Right. He said he's the starter for now. So they asked Bryce underwood about that today. And according to him, he had no idea that that happened. The reaction to the question and his comments about how your job is like permanent. Um, it was about that. Yeah, he said that your job is an infinite. You know, that's the starter. That's cool. I see that. What's your, what's your ad? It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. That sound like it was cool. No, it didn't sound cool at all. I don't know if I believe them. That he didn't see the comments. How could you not? It was the biggest story. But I mean, I do think it's possible not to see the comments. You don't, if he's not on Twitter, he might very well have never seen it. His coach didn't tell him directly. I mean, that's not, maybe that's maybe that's the stories that Kyle Wittinham didn't say to him. Hey, this is your job for, you know, it's not, I think he's, the quote was, it's not

24:39infinite, which is actually not what the word infinite means. And we need to work with Kyle Wittinham on his definition. But he, but he was basically saying you, you're not guaranteed this job. I mean, he didn't have any doubts. Like he didn't hear the crowd. He didn't see how people were responded to him after he did lose that game. I mean, Michigan didn't win that game. I don't care what happened on the hill. No, they lost 12, 7. So I just don't buy it. I think as much as you can say, maybe these guys don't see the stuff that we see, their friends do, their family members do somebody sent him to his agent mat, his agent, someone sent him a, did you see this? Do you believe that he thinks it's cool? Not at all. No, no one in the history who said it's cool in that fashion actually thinks it's cool. Yeah, that's, I agree with you. Now he also was asked you, did you, I don't know if you all saw the video. Did you see the video where he threw a pass and he led his guy and he ended up getting blown up. He was almost getting his tidy and hurt. Yep. And then they showed him and he was kind of laughing to smile.

25:41It was a bad look. It was a bad look. He was asked about that as well. It's the one point when I think it was off in the past. You threw it on that, you were, you were smiling, but you could just explain yourself there. You weren't smiling. We just, I got it hurt or we just, what was the emotions there? This is basically some talk you're like, and recognized it. You know, he was hurt or it's a pass that was, you know, was led him into the defender and did the matter pass? Um, you're there and better. I'm always smiling. I'm not playing football no matter when I was drunk. So that's where it was up there with the game with passion. So it was just smart. That reporter was trying to help it. Like that reporter was like, I don't really want to ask this, but I have to. But you know, you're like, you didn't mean. Yeah. You didn't mean to look the way you lived. They like, you didn't mean it. Did you? And he was like, I smile all the time. What does he not have media training? No, not what, not good media training clearly. I mean, how can you answer a question like that? If you see the video, the title and gets destroyed because it was a bad past that

26:45let him on the plate. And he looks like he's smiling. Now there's a world map where maybe he's smiling at something else. Maybe someone was talking trash on Western Michigan and he's kind of smirking. I don't know. But if you're the starting quarterback of the most controversial win in recent college football history and there's a moment like that, you got to tell everybody it was a mistake. My bad. My bad, however it looked, it wasn't a good look. I'm sorry that happened. You don't say that. Yeah. Well, I mean, this is not a surprise with Bryce Underwood. I'll tell you that game against Oklahoma. There's a lot on the line for the whole Michigan, you know, like the whole Michigan program, the coach, Bryce Underwood. I mean, you have a scenario where you could have people boot. I think people will. You think so? He wasn't. It's not like if you have a guy made some mistakes. He was bad. He was terrible. He was bad. Yeah. And and in this era, the difference is, oh, whatever.

27:46If you pay Sam Donald or Baker Mayfield, okay, that's one thing. You got guys getting millions at who maybe aren't living up to it. You can't get away with the, well, I'm a college student anymore. You're making money. Like you're going to, you're going to get boot. Now last night, I don't know. Sometimes there are people out there, you know, you may not be able to sleep very well. And one of the problems is you get to like one a.m. on the East Coast. There's not TV and you on anymore. Yeah. Not last night. Last night, Ben Shelton ended Carlos Alcarazza's reign as the US Open title holder. At 333 a.m. In a five set victory, the American Ben Shelton guaranteed that an American will be in the final of the US Open for the first time in a while by beating Carlos Alcarazza at 330 in the morning. I'm not going to ask you to break down the match. Okay. But 330 in the morning, what I was shocked is how much do you think 60 to 70% of that stadium was still full at 330 in the morning?

28:47There was a lot of people there last night at 330 in the morning staying out and flushing, knowing they're going to have to all pack into one train on the way back. Would you have stayed out there until 330 in the morning? No, no, no chance. No chance. That 330 is crazy. Is there any sport that you would stay in your seat until 330 in the morning to watch? I think like an epic college football game. Okay. I was like a Super Bowl, but not many events where I would stay until because the problem isn't 330. The problem is what time am I getting home and then what time am I getting tired to get home on the train at 330 in the morning? No one slept because by the time you get home, you can't do an hour. Can I give you the counter? I think the more miserable the fan experience, sometimes the greater the memory. So like some of the best memories I have is like you're at a game and then everybody

29:48gets drenched. Yeah. Like it rains and then everybody's kind of in the rain. And it's a literal miserable, but you have it together. You have that experience or you get a baseball game. This doesn't happen as much anymore because of the ghost run rule. But you get a baseball game and it just keeps going and going. Then people go home and then if you're one of the ones that stayed until the end, you feel a camaraderie. It's like we were all in this together. Yeah. I kind of think if you were at that arena last night at Arthur Ashe Stadium, you would have a sense of I was in a war. Maybe not bad or, but I was in like I had this epic experience with my fellow man. And I actually think that would be great. It's a great story. And I'm sure the people who stayed feel that way. It's just not me. I would wonder. I mean, there may not be anybody listening because it's become kind of a hoidy, toyty influencer crowd out there. Yes. But if you were there last night and you're listening to the show,

30:48and you were out there, a day, day, day, say ESPN, I do wonder. Like was it as awesome? I think I would have loved. I was asleep at that moment, but I do wonder what it was like. A day, day, day, say ESPN. If you were there, let me know. We're also going to talk about one of my own favorite topics. He loves Marcus Freeman's hairline. Oh, yeah. That's going to be a good conversation. You love Marcus Freeman's hairline. Marcus Freeman acknowledged that he has a somewhat questionable hairline. Plus we will make our final picks on Patriot Seahawks. That's next here on Madmire. Madmire and the podcast. One thing we hope I think are kind of obsessed on it. Some ways he's hate because neither of us have like, like, like you have a shave tan.

31:49I have hair that like, I mean, it's trying, but that's not its strength. Like if you, if you're ranking the Matt Jones strings, you don't, you don't put, you don't put hair first. And it's always been like that. Even when I had a full head of hair, it just, it was always like, it just wasn't consistent. So we love hair. I'm obsessed with Bill Self, the coach of Kansas. He has the best hair piece in the United States. Like everyone who has a hair piece should go look at Bill Self at Kansas. I don't know if it's officially as a hair piece, but you trust me. I can see a piece. There's a piece, but it's great. If you would agree, it's incredible. Incredible. So, but then at the same time when things are bad, hair pieces or whatever, we notice. Right. Remember when LeBron, well, LeBron's always got his hair comes and goes like, he's all over the place. And was it Carlos Booser, the paint on his head at one time? So you've been really fascinated by Marcus Freeman of Notre Dame's hair. I have been. You believe it's fake? Yes.

32:49And not even just fake. I'm watching the hairline before the Notre Dame was kind to game. He runs out of the tunnel. It's not there. Like he doesn't extra yet. I think he went back to the locker room. Oh, I mean, you think he did a, oh yeah. I think I got to touch him. Warm ups in the game. He got to touch him. Added more hair. He got to touch him. It wasn't, it wasn't like that pregame. Wow. He could pregame hair. There's somebody, there's somebody with him. And it looks to me like, and you're an expert here, not me. Does he lower his hairline via paint? Thousand percent. And the problem is what I don't like is you got these guys. He's got it all. Wasn't athlete handsome handsome. Yeah. Great coach, great leader. And you got to, you got to do that. You can't be authentic with your hair and make it harder for the rest of us. Well, he died. I mean, I don't think he wants to look like Stephen A. I don't know what that means. This is the Stephen A. Have a, is he bald? I don't. I don't know. Are we not going to know I'm I supposed to ask us?

33:51Why is everybody looking like that? I don't, my hair. I think no, I agree with you. I'm not that's not like not crazy ball. I don't know if he's ball. What you mean is I don't see Stephen A and think bald. I see see corporate. My ring. This is corporate. My corporate. Listen to. Baldin is that was my version of I don't see race. Corporate cookie. That's what that's what you just did. You are the guy who just goes. You know what? I don't see race. That's what you did. And you know, how you would do that? You know, that's what you just did. I don't even know you were black. Like, whoa. Why the hell are you like that? Like you don't know. That's what that was. What were we talking about? Okay. So you know what? So you know what? Marcus Freeman. To be Steven A. Why'd you make me say that? Go ahead.

34:52I mean, go ahead. And falls in your mind back to Marcus Freeman. First off in life, I don't believe people should have more than two things. To like if if your handsome, you in an athlete, you shouldn't also be like a good coach. I agree with that. I agree with that. Two things. You can't be smart. You can't have it all handsome and athletic. And you should get two of those three. So like I got I got handsome and smart, but I'm not athletic. But what did you get? I think I got smart charismatic, uh, a luring. A luring. You got a luring. Okay. That's three. That's three. Yeah. That's three. Intertainic. Okay. I'm not for humorous. But go ahead. You know, you think Freeman's got too much. It's got like eight of them. Yeah. Some ladies like that for me. He's got two months. So so so just accept that you have all of these traits that people would love to have. And now you're in now you're changing your hairline to make everybody think that that's number nine of the traits you have. I don't appreciate that about Marcus Freeman.

35:53So can Heyward has a podcast and he went ahead and asked him about. Marcus, I got to ask about the hair. It's has his own story. No, you know, you can you can put a little little magic in there to keep the line. Sharp way. Come on. Yeah, my team. He he wanted that that put it on the world. But you know, you saw thinning out in the corners. You got to make sure your corners are straight. You put a little enhancement in there. You know, listen now. Hey, you see this rain in the forecast now put a hat on. You know, I mean like I see you here to be proactive. You know, they'll be reacting. Nesee, I like that answer. I he is acknowledging the enhancement. No. And he is saying, look. This is what I got to do. I thought that was very charming. I would even say a luring answer five years later. You're acknowledging it. I don't believe in any of that. It's on a podcast. Do it publicly. You see the public. But do you see? Do you see how we you see how his conversation changed? He's talking barbershop talk.

36:53Like all of a sudden he got cool. Like yeah, a little bit to it. No problem with me when he said Mike T is he saying Mike Tom. When I think I think he said Mike Tom. So is he out in Mike Tom. I know Mike Hanson. I didn't know Mike Tom was in the club. And I've stood next to Mike Tom. I don't know Mike Tom was in the club. I also don't like that he's bringing people like he's calling out others. Instead of you. You don't think he should do that. We're talking about you Marcus Freeman. Don't bring don't bring other people into this. What are you doing with your hairline? That's the focus. Yes. Well, I I found that a great answer. I liked it. He acknowledged it. No. Like I'm one of these people. If I ever decided to like do a hair trace plan, I'm just going to tell everybody. You don't need to do just telling everybody like I don't know why Bill Self doesn't acknowledge it. Because Bill Self's got the best one that's ever existed. Just say it. You know what I mean? Yeah. If I do it, I'm coming here with curls. You know, I'm coming. I'm I'm thinking about it. Oh, my I was going to be flowing. It's just going to be beautiful. So you're thinking about getting like a full head. Oh, I would do the whole thing. And I would and I would like not. You don't have any hair. I got hair. I just wouldn't say anything about it.

37:55Like I want to come into a room with a new set of hair. And nobody acts like it's different. Like just acknowledge that this is the new me. We don't even handle hats. I don't want new hair. I listen. I want flowing hair. If you got any sponsors out there, Marin is willing to do my own is willing to do it. All right. Well, thank you very much to this our last day together. I'll be here tomorrow, but you will be back in Minneapolis. I've had a lot of fun. We're going to go watch the football together. You guys enjoy everybody. It is friendly and hairy. Next is bit. Thanks for listening to Matt and Marin, the podcast. You can listen to Matt and my life weekday, some three to five PM Eastern on ESPN radio.