Hour 2 - If We Don’t, China Will

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2:03One, we'll get the audio of this. It seems that our friend Ted Cruz may have just made a appearance on the view, which brings up a lot of things. First of all, a little bit of FOMO, because Clay and Buck haven't been on the view yet. And we have generously offered. We will go together. We will go separately, whatever. But we want to go to the view at some point and talk to those ladies and just help. Help them understand. Ladies of the view help us help you. That's what we're really offering here. Jeremy Guire also holds up. It's great movie. I would say, yeah, you like, I know you're a Jeremy Guire guy. Oh, it's a great movie. Great movie. But Ted Cruz has been on the view. Something else though that is on our radar. We've got those midterm elections. That's going to be heating up day by day as we get closer to it. Some interesting updates on Trump's pack spending. And where that's going.

3:03And a lot of money now. Going to be super charging the media buys. But something I want to talk to the client. I want to talk to you about this. As you know, we are on the AI revolution. Wave right now. It's like we're all on the surfboard. The wave is going. It hasn't crested yet. And we don't know when it's going to. If it's going to crash down or if it's going to be a nice smooth ride. But we do know that it's happening right now. Optimus robots. For those of you who haven't seen. You can go check out videos of these things. They are a bit like what you would think the Jetsons robots would be like in real life. They can fold laundry. They can do household tasks. The first Optimus Gen 3 robots. They're going to be taking orders for them. In the public sales will begin the second half of next year. It's a conditional timeline. But that's what they think.

4:03Not that far off from you having a robot doing chores in your home. If you want one and you have. And like 30 grand is I think what they're going to cost something like that. They're going to be a little pricey to start. But then there's also this other thing that is happening in the background with you've got robotics. Yes. You've also got. The AI race which brings in the data centers for sure. The data centers conversation which we've had here on the show. But just AI philosophically as a technology, artificial intelligence. And Clay let's dive into this together. You keep seeing this from people at these companies. This is not the first time. It is the warning of impending doom from AI. Call it the SkyNet effect. You all remember SkyNet from the Terminator series. That's the cybernetic or the cyber intelligence that becomes self aware and starts a war, a nuclear war with Russia. And then it kills all of us too. So and then people are fighting in like a post apocalyptic future.

5:03Jacob Coxen wrote this on X. And Clay I'm just going to do a few. It's very long. But I'll do a couple of these. And then I want you to tell me if you buy into this. Is this something that you're worried about? Sky he's a senior guy at Anthropic. He wrote, I resigned from Anthropic today. I spent the last three years doing pre training research at both OpenAI and Anthropic. Neither company is acting responsibly. They are racing straight to self improving super intelligence and gambling with our lives. More thoughts below. By the way, this has 94 million views on X. So far. Just say, well, a lot of what are people paying attention to this? Yes, yes, they are. Do not underestimate he writes the power of this technology. These will soon be super human systems that can hack anything. Revolutionize any field overnight and acquire real power and resources. We have all witnessed the progress in each of these domains and progress is not slowing.

6:08The people building AI earnestly believe that it could kill us all by the end of the decade. This is not a marketing stunt. If anything, many executives and senior researchers will couch their phrasing in the press to sound sensible. But I hear the same people express fear privately. No other human activity poses this level of danger. Clay. Make it make sense. My 18 year old says that you and I should be talking way more about AI. Because he agrees with everything that that Anthropic employee just said. He has been regularly. I think the phrase haranging his mom and me on this regularly. And what he is focused on is the idea that when AI becomes able to self replicate. In other words, when it reaches post human knowledge and is able to iterate itself.

7:15That it is going to and this is something that they think is going to happen in the next year or two based on the progress. That it then will spiral out of control and we will not be able to have any control over it. And you pointed out an interesting story that happened that he was talking about quite a lot, which is already in war. Russia has trained autonomous drones to basically attack fuel depots. And the concept behind that is they can send all the imagery of what a fuel depot looks like. And then they just send the drones out and the drone knows it has been trained when you see a fuel depot blow it up. Three humans in Ukraine died in an autonomous drone attack. But this is the key thing is there is no human in the kill chain they call it. There is no human being standing over a button going, oh wait, it is about to hit a little lady in the kids, abort the mission. It is completely self driven and it goes through the kill chain autonomously.

8:18You could theoretically tell an AI drone today, I think basically, hey, go kill every deer in a town. And the drones would just fly everywhere. And when they saw a deer, they could recognize it. They would immediately kill it. When I saw the autonomous drone story, my first thought was, well, you could clearly train drones to just go kill any human without any interaction with a human at all. If you see a human age, whether they're combatants or not, they could do facial recognition. They could do it based on the they could they could send a drone out and say, here are the parameters of where we think you'll find this person roughly. Loiter in the sky now, obviously, there's like loitering time and there's factors that will come in, but theoretically they could send it to an area, let's say, of a city clay or area or a town in eastern Ukraine and say when you see oleg so and so, here's his facial recognition, blow them up. They could do that. So my question is, and this is for we've talked a lot about data centers, energy, everything else.

9:25Is it possible for AI to iterate to a degree where it provides its own power? That's the question I have. So this is where I because I've had this debate with my son and he is, he came in, I don't know, sixth in the nation in high school debate. So he's pretty good at debating. And my question, and I'm curious how many people out there that are super smart on this, because in other words, my response on, well, sky nets eventually going to kill us all is running data on AI is incredibly cost intensive. And it requires a great deal of energy. We all know that we've been talking about it immensely. And this is what I call it, compute. It is your compute power. This is now the word that everyone is using. So if humans decided that we wanted to shut AI off is AI able to harness energy, which is expensive, such that it could maintain its own self.

10:28As AI grows in complexity, the amount of compute power that it requires to execute everything becomes more and more significant. And it's possible, but here's one answer. It's possible that AI is so much smarter than we are that it's going to unlock ways to harness energy that we can even comprehend. Right, instead of oil and gas, there's a solar capability. That's my question, which goes to how scared we should be to what extent can AI self perpetuate and power itself going forward if humans one day decided, you know what? This AI's gotten pretty scary. Well, this is the sky net problem. This is the sky net paradox from the Terminator series, which is in retrospect, now even more brilliant than people, I think realize at the time. successful, which is that they tried to, the phrase was, pull the plug on SkyNet and then it launched nuclear missiles because we had autonomous AI basically defense. It's like the Pentagon was running by a computer program.

11:28We launched missiles at Russia. Russia missiles come back and you have a nuclear nuclear holocaust as a result. I'm not, I'm not nearly as concerned about this stuff as these people who are doing the AI research. And I know that's a little bit like saying, I'm not worried about this surgery, no matter what the surgeons say. But I want to, I can, I can give you some reasons for that. Before I do that though, and I'm coming at it with a self-deprecating understanding that like, you know, I'm not a surgeon. So, but I do know if a surgeon's lying to me. That's important. Jacob here is correct. Evan here, here's a guy that responded at other tweet. He's alignment science lead of anthropic AI. Anthropic is one of these top AI companies right now. These companies are worth so much money that it's, you can't even, I mean, they're putting valuations on them. But these companies are going to be the most valuable companies. Really, I think ever. But this guy who is the lead at anthropic AI on this writes Jacob, the guy who said

12:30it could kill us all is correct here. We really do earnestly believe AI could kill all humans. I personally think it is a greater than 10% chance within the next decade. I believe anthropic is trying its best. But we do not yet have a plan to solve alignment for super intelligence and are not clearly on track to 28 million views on that. I might add. So, these are ultra valuable was very, it widely distributed. This is probably the biggest thread on the internet right now on X. Certainly today and maybe for quite some time. Clay, I just think that there's always concerns with technology. There are even concerns about the internet. There were concerns about Y2K. People, the, the, the, Dumourism, there were concerns about nuclear, nuclear vision, right? Which I think is very, very valid to think, oh my gosh, if we can split the atom, what's going to happen? And we did have, we dropped two nuclear bombs as we all know. But the world didn't end. And we didn't go into

13:33nuclear holocaust. And I just think that we will adapt the world is going to change the world that we all live in. I don't mean your kids, your grandkids world, the world that we live in is going to change very rapidly. There will be some what's the, I'm trying to think of something that's not absurdly euphemistic, like growing pains is too euphemistic. There will be some challenges from this, for sure. But the notion of humanity becoming extinct because of something that we have created this, Deis, X Machina, mass extinction, Thanos moment. I just don't think, I just think that this is a lot of people know that this is an incredible way to get attention. And if you're some nerd, he's been working on AI models for the last three years and you want to become super famous overnight, it's easy to be like, it's going to kill us all. Maybe. Okay. I would also add, if we don't do it, China will. So for everybody out there who's saying, boy, this feels like a risk, right?

14:33If you knew there's a 10% chance of humanity ending, if it's, if it's calculus, was correct, you might say, that's a little bit too much of a risk, I think, compared to the reward that we might get from AI. The problem I think we've got is China's not going to stop. So really, I think the one way we have to think about it is you talked about this. AI is basically our military. Yes. So would we allow China to accelerate military technology? And we just say, no, we're good sticking with what we have now. I think the answer is clearly no. I don't think anyone out there would say that's a decision we should make. And so I don't think we have a real choice here. Right? Now, one of the things that always happens is when somebody gets a big competitive advantage, they often then beg for regulation because it means that others are not going to be able to catch up with them. So you have a trillion dollar

15:34company, a part of me wonders whether the anthropics of the world and the open a eyes and and all these other different AI companies, part of the humorism is, oh, we need the government to get involved because when the government gets involved, you stifle innovation and basically in many ways freeze the competitive situation so that the people who are in a competitive advantage are able to stay there. Some of you probably are experts in AI. I think this is a far more interesting discussion than what do you think about data centers? Where is AI taking us to me is the conversation that should be happening. Not oh, my goodness. Can you believe they're building another data center? Because the data center is is is the less of a existential threat, obviously, and the AI in game. My quick analogy on this also is our enemies, notably the Soviet Union, exploited fears over nuclear civilian and nuclear weapons to try to

16:38get a competitive military advantage over us. And we're successful in doing so. And our nuclear technology is far less advanced than it would have been had we, and I mean for nuclear energy, which we would think about all the stuff with climate change and CO2 and all this we could have skipped over if we had aggressively allowed nuclear or aggressively pursued nuclear energy in the way that would have made sense. Instead, we have hobbled ourselves because of fear. And I don't want us to do that on AI. I think that's a good argument too. And it's happening quick. So I'm curious 800 to 828288, too. If we have any experts in AI, I'm not just talking about philosophers. I'm talking about people actually involved in the specifics of AI. One bad incident in neighborhood can change everybody's perspective when it comes to self protection. Have you had a burglary? Have you had a robbery? Maybe you felt safe and now you don't. There's a company out there called Saber that can provide families with self protection tools. You can keep in your own home pepper sprays, pepper projectile launchers.

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20:48Over the past five years, they've become so technologically advanced. And particularly within this past year, it's totally startling and amazing. And we had some debates with on our company, willing to wager that without question the Chinese, if we don't beat them to the punch on this, we're likely to be ruled by them within my lifetime. And I'm in my 50s. Thanks for the call, Ann. Good call. At the roof over your head requires repair. You know it. It's your home. What you don't know is who you can necessarily get the job done with when you have to get it fixed. So I were here for you, Erie home. They've been at this for over 50 years. Erie home, they are V-Roof specialists. They start their job on your property with a free roof inspection, 25 point inspection. They develop themselves. And if you need roof help, Erie home has the newest best materials in the business. They look great, but they last longer. Your new roof from Erie home comes with a 50 year transferable warranty. Schedule your free inspection at Erie home dot com slash buck today. That's E-R-I-E home.

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22:54just going through finding this paperwork, things like that. I think it's going to be enormously beneficial. That all said, there's going to also be some dislocations and some problems and it's going to be used. It's a very powerful tool to be used in good ways and bad ways. But I think that the people who do this thing of I'm worried, oh, I'm an AI researcher and here's my thread on how it's going to kill us all. Maybe notice how it's always like when you ask them percentage, 10%, 5%, 1%, okay, well, so what do we do with that? Right. What are we supposed to do with? There's a 10% chance that this kills all of us. Does that mean we stop AI research? They'll say, oh, we need to have more governors, if you will, or I don't mean that. I mean, that in like the isn't it a governor? Yeah, governor is on a card. Like card exactly. Yeah. That's what I mean. And we need more governors on AI. We need more guardrails put in. You know what? You know what? It's really going to be a mess. If you decide that you're going to have Chuck Schumer in charge of AI legislation or

23:56something like that. Okay. These they're all only going to the whole thing. We've seen this with the internet already. The whole thing becomes a giant mass. The second the people who'd have no understanding of this whatsoever are coming up with kind of Willie Nilly regulation, which is going to be based on what the donors want them to do anyway. And there's going to be a lot of backroom dealing. So my thing on this is we'll be fine. It's going to be overall, I think, a positive. And I also think that China really hopes that we act like we're scared of our shadow on this one. Bernie Sanders has called for the government to shut down all AI. So if you're out there and you're just not an AI person, I think it's worth asking how often is Bernie Sanders been right in his political career about anything? So the fact that he has come out and said the government should insist that AI stop. He means our government. China's not going to stop. Imagine. Sorry. Yeah. No, I was just going to say, Buck, so imagine if you know, it take it away

25:01from AI and just say, imagine if we said, Hey, our military is strong enough as it is, we're not going to continue to evolve at all in the military. That would be a point of lunacy. That is, I think, what would rapidly happen is the caller. We got a couple more callers here who I think went away in. It's not a situation where we can just say, Hey, okay, we're going to stop doing this. Whoever gets to generative AI and that's basically AI that can run itself and self perpetuate is going to control the world. Yes. And to the point, if they don't teach us in school at all, so some for a lot of people, even if you're a history person, you really love history, you may not know this, but the Soviets ran a long running, what they call the KGB called active measures campaign. So that's sabotage propaganda assassination, things like that, all fond of active measures. They had an active measures campaign to hinder US civilian nuclear energy by playing

26:02on Western fears, funding and steering, overlapping peace slash environmental groups, and turning any accident into an indictment of all nuclear power while building a large nuclear sector clay. That's the key part here, everybody. The Soviets in our country, oh, nuclear, and they would wear, and you're like, Oh, how will they do? They had organizations like the World Peace Council, the US peace council, the National Council of American Soviet friendship, Communist Party USA, and then all kinds of journalists and individuals and plants all over America for decades, to make everyone think, if there's a nuclear plant three miles from me, my kids are going to have three heads, you know, this was the whole, oh, we're all going to die in some conflagration while the Soviets, now they messed up with Chernobyl, obviously, but while the Soviets were building nuclear plants as fast as they possibly could. See, it's the same, it doesn't I'm saying we have seen this before everybody. And I know right now there's this thing of like, oh, people on the right are just they're just taking really, Klan, I were the guys who weren't listening to anybody, among others,

27:05but weren't listening to anybody about COVID, the science, the shots, the masks, all that stuff. But we're now taking orders on China is an AI threat. I mean, give me a break. Like this is, this is very obvious. If you think it through Tracy, it works in AI, and he wants to talk to us Tracy's a guy, Tracy, what's up? Hey, what's going on guys? I watch all or listen, every day, sometimes I watch on YouTube. I just have been losing my mind because I know for a fact, in my lab, I code Baron Metal as they call it on a Google server. I build live and the first thing I do is lock down the log in so that all your equipment can't be hacked or stolen. Your API keys can't be stolen, but I'm here to tell you to make an AI do what they say it's done, like hacking, hugging face, and you can confirm this is what they did. They turn off the safety. Then they give it a live internet access so there's something to hack. And they want to scare us so they can say,

28:07we're the only ones who know how to really regulate this, and we let big AI regulate it. You won't have to worry about censorship. They have the ultimate censorship at that point. So what I agree with them, by the way, I think they're playing us for fools and they actually want more power. I presume that you are optimistic. Give us in your mind an optimistic vision if you were calling back in in five years, right? So you're calling back in in 2031. What do you expect AI to have done? What will it look like for the average person out there? How will their life be different? I've spent a lot of time worrying over that. It's one of two visions. If we allow the government and big AI to regulate AI so that we can never have uncensored AI with filters on it, telling us what we can know and what we can think. Then we will take the biggest tool for

29:07disconstructing government, Bravo's Saguera that's ever been put in the hands of free people and giving it to them and we will never be able to, when they do these document dumps of a million documents, we now have something that if you have a hardest that tells it, only give me output that's verified by fact. You just filtered out all of their propaganda. You have solved the problem of the information age, too much noise, not enough signal, but not if we let them regulate it to where guys like me can't build platforms that will tell you the truth ever. It will only tell you what big AI says and the filters let through and that is the danger. Now the other side is we win and AI is a free market and guys like me get to keep building. The big guys have to serve the customer but if they get to lock us all in like they do with their software, oh my good lord. Thank you for the call. Buck what I would say too is this is so important for AI.

30:07I'm with them by the way, I just wish that was a great call. Go ahead. Where AI is getting its information, you and I use GROC. Elon Musk has said that GROC's goal is to be maximally truth-seeking. Where the input is coming in for AI when they're using Reddit forums and when they are scanning for as much information as they are, the output is only as good as the input. And so I'll use as an example that isn't very significant open AI when you asked open AI initially who would win a high school boys team or a WNBA champion that open AI said the WNBA team would win because I bet it's been coded to believe in girl power. Yay. We're not going to be sexist. GROC said, oh the high school boys teams likely to win by 30 or 40 after open AI got ridiculed. They went back in and they changed the answer and now open AI says a high school boys team is likely to win but it's only as good as the parameters that are put in place and so if you have restrictive

31:13parameters, the information that you're going to be able to get out of it is going to be less effective. I just say I've replaced which I thought one would this ever happen Clay. I've replaced Google it with GROC it. I agree. I go to GROC as my first line of search engine because I don't want to be served a whole bunch of ads and then I don't want the Google teams secret algorithm propaganda and no, I want an answer from something that I trust and people might say, oh but now you're trusting GROC, I trust GROC more than Google. Yes, I do. I trust Elon's company and what its mission is more than I trust whatever they're doing over at AlphaBet which is Google's parent company. So, Jarellyn in California. Before in Los Angeles, I am a software developer and I don't work on AI directly myself. I'm not a machine learning expert or anything like that but I do use it in my work. I have a little story for you. When my dad was in college in the 70s, his school

32:17counselors told him and all of his classmates that if they wanted a career that was future proof, they should become punch card operators because of that. Computers were running on punch cards and computers were obviously the wave of the future and they thought that that would be a secure career and then fast forward, you know, 50 years, about 15 years ago, I was learning to become a software developer and I thought my career was future proof unlike my dad's punch cards of the 70s because everybody's going to need a website, everyone's going to need software. There's no way that this career is going anywhere anytime soon and you know, it's now 10 years later in AI has basically taken away my job not entirely but there's a lot of hiring managers out there who would prioritize AI over hiring a junior software developer because they think that it's cheaper and more efficient. You're bringing up an excellent point, can I just say, that it had been a decade ago, the snide phrase of the left, remember this was learned to code for people who, you know,

33:20have a trade, you know, work with their hands, it's learned to code like that was the answer. Well now coding is doing the coding and people that can do electrical wiring or build something that people need or, you know, advanced carpentry and plumbing, they're in demand and software engineers, the software is doing the engineering. Uh, Geraldine, what do you think about AI? So here's the thing, AI as it is developed right now does not think and Clay, you were just talking about it. I think you and Buck have a pretty good grasp of how it works but I think the especially, well, I think the general population does not have a good idea of how it works and especially the the scare mongers out there don't. It does not think the best it can do is look at proximity of words that other people have thought of and then generate answers based on percentages, which is why AI hallucinates. So I also use AI instead of Google now a lot to ask it just like general knowledge questions and a lot of the time it's going to know but a lot of the time it's

34:22also wrong and I have to push back and say no you hallucinated that and then it will admit that it made it up because it's just looking at patterns and saying well this is the most likely answer based on the patterns of language that I've seen other people like that I'm seeing in the internet or from my training data but all of that training data and everything is reading off the internet was made by a human at some point. The point at which AI is going to get dangerous if it ever gets to that point is is when it can genuinely be creative when it can think of things without having to look at patterns that humans have produced first and I use this as kind of parallel to like the airlick scare of the 19 of the 60s the population bomb idea of you know airlick said that we were all the world was going to start to death in 30 years because the population was growing but he failed to take into account improved agricultural methods. AI it could go either way I think

35:26we're sitting on the cusp it could either become incredibly dangerous just like everyone is predicting it could look maybe we will be able to teach it to learn to teach it to say actually think and then we'll be living in the iRobot future where the silence are going to take over and we all have to bow to our robot overlords and or things of a way to outthink it just like you know how and I'm quoting all of these sci-fi movies and books because as Shelley said Poethor the the legislature the unacknowledged legislatures of legislators of the world I think science fiction writers are pointing us in the right direction there was already an Isaac Apamos Asama story called The Gods themselves the premise of which was that we live in a not too distant future where all of our energy needs are are taking care of by siphoning it from a different from a parallel universe and this allowed us to live in perfect luxury because

36:27that energy what in his economy was the stopping point right yeah so we had enough energy to like power AI power robots and then we we live lives of luxury because we had machines to do everything for us I don't know if the problem is going to be energy I don't know if the problem is going to be we won't actually ever be able to train AI the way we're hoping to to think for itself I don't know you know what the issue is going to be or maybe none of that will be an issue we're standing on the cusp right now and it could be either AI does become so powerful and takes over or maybe this will be like the why-toothed casecare and it turns out to be a big nothing burger in ten years and we're all like we'll put where we still are afraid of but we won't know until ten years from now and that's only if we keep developing AI and you guys are spot on thank you for the call Jarlyn I think the most interesting aspect of all of this is energy energy energy energy can we unlock energy that is far cheaper than what we have so far can AI help us do it and what

37:34will power the AI revolution to me it all boils down to energy at its baseline level look I yesterday I was in Washington DC I met with Frank Siller I met with Larry the top ad buyer there I met with Frank Siller's family Rachel compost Duffy was there interviewing him about his brand new book we were at the Hayes Adam so tell overlooking the White House Frank was with the president yesterday at the White House it is a somber week Friday will be 25 years since the September 11th 2001 terror attacks as the audience knows Frank started tunneled the towers to honor his brother Steven one of the 343 firefighters who died on 911 Steven's son Steven Siller junior was just nine months old when he lost his dad he spent the last four months bringing a 16,900 pound steel beam from the world trade center to dozens of cities across the U.S. in the tunnel the tower steel across America

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